High Score

[warm kayak]

also if another MF ends up as a grass pair i will throw tables

SS Hau might get a rerun with something else in banner

[forest ferry]

Her innate for sync is based on rebuff and her rebuff is single target

Gonna be fun to see how she fails to nuke sides eventho she nukes mid

[warm kayak]

just planning to use her as side dps, 1/5

[true sparrow]

But it's still gonna be fun to see how far I can reach with a much more limited amount of units.

[warm kayak]

its interesting to see high clears with characters like Spotlight Hilda

[forest ferry]

Yea 1/5 should be enuff
Just run with aoe nuke for ez clear

[warm kayak]

by either abusing pot or doing some advanced vodoo 2% chance runs

[forest ferry]

I am still mad she isn't applying aoe rebuff

[desert elm]

Not getting Hau is coming back to haunt me.

[forest ferry]

So my ssmay is still stuck with adaman as best partner

[blazing birch]

Tf is People talking about

Gloria has the strongest Flying nuke

[forest ferry]

That's not a high bar to pass

[desert elm]

The upcoming Electric HS event. Like the Water event we just had.

[blazing birch]

I mean about Gloria

[warm kayak]

we have Fuel Economy 2, now im waiting for Hit The Gas 15 to elevate a 1 bar move to 4

bonus points if it's Fury Cutter

[forest ferry]

I am still surprised that passive isn't named as
Move gauge down (2) or smth

[blazing birch]

Anni Skyla is above 7M nuke

And ok, then the strongest fire nuke

[weary rivet]

Technically, SS May has a stronger nuke if you pair her with Gloria and rebuffs

But eh not fair

[forest ferry]

Well she has sync Accel and debuffs at base kit itself

Gloria needing 5/5

[weary rivet]

I'm not arguing about that

I love my SS May

[warm kayak]

M. G. D. (Second)

[chilly flame]

Is jolteon really one of the big ones?

Oh I guess it sets terrain

[worn bronze]

i mean, summoning just for electric high score isn't the best idea...if it's on the way and something you like anyways then sure. but just for the event? nah (although i know if you got hau you would use him a lot more than just high score, but it's still potentially 36.6k gems you're gambling on)

[blazing birch]

Except both SSHau and VKris are extremely good

So is not just Electric high score

[chilly flame]

[true sparrow]

Paralysis + Evas

[onyx current]

Sickos

Evasion and paralysis reliance I’d cry

[true sparrow]

Holy grail

[onyx current]

[desert elm]

Well Acerola was the priority because I have Red and Ash.
For me it's more the 4th and 5th teams I'm wondering.
Red, Ash and N can easily take out the first 3. (I hope.)

[true sparrow]

Get center down and laugh of the sides

[forest ferry]

Oh yea celesa and clemont drops accuracy

The entire event is gonna be evasion hax

[blazing birch]

So who will be the trainers in the event

[forest ferry]

I am just gonna slack after getting 300k pts or smth

[warm kayak]

maybe for types where getting 180k is dodgy, but even then there might be offtype options

[blazing birch]

Surge, Volkner, Elesa, Clemont and...

[worn bronze]

but its all a sitaution of what you prioritize. i saved that month to prepare for anni.

[warm kayak]

Hau and his Discharge

[forest ferry]

Red and his boltackle

[blazing birch]

SSTRed as the 5th Battle with turn 1 MAX Move Para Terrain

[warm kayak]

Lithe is thankfully common for electric types

[blazing birch]

And gets MAX cooldown 3

[desert elm]

Missing CElesa is not gonna be fun.

[warm kayak]

SSTRed vs SSTRed

👀

[forest ferry]

Celesa likely rate up unit anyways

[worn bronze]

oh can you imagine if Red was one of the opponents

[forest ferry]

Unless they troll us and make it zekrom and Marnie banner

[warm kayak]

last opponent could be Red, but it could also be N

Red is very likely to be an opponent in the fire one

[forest ferry]

Ah yes
Piercing blows to make endure useless

[worn bronze]

might as well

[tiny ore]

I'm hoping for a chance to bust out the EX Hau

[atomic rain]

oops they all have slo mo 9

[tiny ore]

Is it a optimal unit? no but it's my first good striker and I wanna use him

[atomic rain]

watch them all have slo mo 9 just to specifically stifle elesa and hau

then we seethe because why the fuck would you do that

[chilly kayak]

Elesa has Haste, so if that were the case you can laugh at it, granted you'd have to drop something else but it's 4 energy, so not that terrible. Hau would be a bit screwed unless you sacrifice the ls slot

[rain sierra]

You might get better mileage with EX BP Sophocles

[chilly kayak]

bit sad his only effective multiplier would be Tough Sync 3

[atomic rain]

yeah hes on typer iirc

and le funny iron defense pmun stacking

[warm kayak]

might be decent secondary dps

[tiny ore]

maybe Ill use hau as nuker and N as DPS

[rain sierra]

Hau doesn't have any

[mortal timber]

Inertia

And sync better than BP Soph, while dps wise BP Soph is better

[austere holly]

These are enough for electric high score?

[maiden canopy]

Definitely more than enough for top 10k

[austere holly]

Sounds perfect

We won’t get dupe of that top 10k badge right??

[sullen pier]

thats right

[austere holly]

Ohk! Still high score event is fun

Liked it more than LG personally

[cyan tusk]

I suppose we’ll also be likely to get more electric pairs after today’s notification(?) through bp vouchers

[forest ferry]

I just plan on running these if there's no new voucher units for electric

But supp zapdos/raikou plz

[cyan tusk]

Supp thundurus when

[sullen pier]

When Anni Elesa gets it

[cyan tusk]

Why not bp elesa

[sullen pier]

Thats too wasteful

Elesa is easy money grabbing

[cyan tusk]

Why not both

[sullen pier]

[tall arrow]

Probably these are going to be my exact same teams, with HJasmine instead of Morty
I wonder if the extra 1k parameters are going to be the same, maybe they’ll put paralysis and gym leader as conditions

[forest ferry]

There aren't many MCs so it's likely gym leader tag

Doubt on paralysis , it can be flinch as well

[chilly flame]

I’m just now realizing how good SS hau will be for this

[mortal timber]

Not sure about his dmg but surely for the smuns, debuffs, buffs and syncs

Gonna have great utility

B electroweb depends, difficult to keep up the fairy zone

I think it's a case to deploy fairy zone when you know you can apply a lot of pressure after some syncs

[ornate turret]

Time trial
Remaining HP
More stat increases
More stat decreases
Aim for more damage
More attacks
Fewer attacks

any prediction I think time, more damage (because of rats) and remaining HP. the other 2 maybe paralyze and gym leader

[rough forum]

Maybe strongest single damage instance

Or number of hits taken

[ornate turret]

those are confirmed rules from datamine btw, not sure if they're going to add more

[forest ferry]

I just hope not too much electric damage from opponents so I can use field comfortably

[cyan tusk]

Im still wondering if he’s gonna be better for nuking or utility

Bc he has team eva up and permanent terrain but he has to nuke and cannot grab cakewalk all together

[chilly flame]

I think it depends on the roster

If someone has enough dps/nukes to go around, then he’s more fit for utility

But another person might have to resort to using his nuke/make him be a hybrid in order to compensate

[cunning shore]

So there is a multiplier for more attack and also fewer attacks?

Well score

Multiplier whatever it's called

What is a SSHau

Only got Raichu Hau

[warm kayak]

my money

[rancid perch]

I plan on getting elesa over any of the actually good strikers on the seasonal select

at least she'll be able to on type any stage in the flying high score event

[warm kayak]

just realized we don't know the Nemona multiplier on her b move

Ash had 25% per bar

but they specifically wanted to advertise it as 1000 BP move

[forest ferry]

Well in Ash's case , his bmove already starts at 400+ BP

While nemona is 1/4th

[warm kayak]

she can do hers twice but sadly needs to be a sync apart

she will still be top 4 electric unit probably

[forest ferry]

It should be in similar range to SSN's damage

[warm kayak]

living in post 3rd anni odyssey is tough for electric units

[forest ferry]

Assuming it scales like Ash's bmove

[warm kayak]

Iono better be a good rebuff support

[forest ferry]

Nemona still gonna be top requirement to be in top 5 ranking

[warm kayak]

yes

[forest ferry]

The utility is too good

Eventho damage is a joke

[rain sierra]

More like Red and Ash

[forest ferry]

I mean
That's pretty obvious

Imagine gunning for top 5 without those 2

[warm kayak]

i will already praise people who do 10k without them

[rain sierra]

You literally needed to use all Water limited to get top 5 in last run

[warm kayak]

because it will require some thinking

[forest ferry]

Except Archie

Poor Archie

[rain sierra]

Of course, I suppose those with Master badge can just chill on next event

[forest ferry]

Well water's main requirement was sskris and cerena

[warm kayak]

i wonder if it changes into pu

general medals usually don't do that

[rain sierra]

I thought he's still good for Misty? Or too fragile with the Blizzard spam?

[forest ferry]

Hey
They both also have same master passives as the rats

Runner didn't have Archie

Else it would have been another 20k pts

[warm kayak]

i really wish they buff acceleration units

[forest ferry]

Rank 1 without Archie is still funny

Maybe someone would do rank 1 without ash or smth

[warm kayak]

like, their sync effect instead of just slapping bandaids on kits

[forest ferry]

[warm kayak]

field is fine although can be replaced by one stupid passive
..

meanwhile there's no ex sync passive

and only one unit has striker sync passive to date

[forest ferry]

The new roles are to ensure every new unit do not end up as tech

[rain sierra]

Do the top 1 even reveal their lineup?

[warm kayak]

yeah but they will be worse compared to techs

[rain sierra]

I didn't bother to check

[forest ferry]

Check pins

[warm kayak]

he's an admin here

[forest ferry]

Not really?

[rain sierra]

Still, that's almost all limited pairs, and 5/5 Lysandre. Ouch

[forest ferry]

Iirc nemona with nuke grid hits same level nuke as full setup anni N

It's just nuke grid is dummy expensive for her

And there's better stuff to pick up than nuke

And fully setup anni N is like the threshold for you to be able to one shot a 2.5k MM middle in a typical CS stage

Anything less might minroll and keep middle alive

[warm kayak]

requires more energy, when adrenaline 3 is more situational

[forest ferry]

Well I did say the grid is expensive

[brittle cosmos]

It's not

[forest ferry]

? She has multipliers and high atk

[brittle cosmos]

However, it is close to just -6/-6

Since N's innate wouldn't be maxed

And is often what happen when you pair him with Ghetsis' Noble Roar

[onyx current]

She doesn’t have a 1.5x sync

[forest ferry]

She has double the atk

N has 2 multipliers and innate with like 240 atk or smth
Nemona is 1.5x multiplier and innate with 500 atk

[warm kayak]

not sure if N is a good comparison, he felt underwhelming

compare her to some good recent tech

[forest ferry]

Well he's the bottom line for tech nukes so like

Others nuke too hard in general

Almost every tech nuker after him are top end units

[warm kayak]

maybe MF accelerators will have some bullshit "you can sync twice in a row" passives

[stray dust]

Hs5 and adrenaline 5, hs1 and adrenaline 1 locked behind 3/5 grid

[forest ferry]

They just gonna shove ssmay's kit on sprint units in near future

[weary rivet]

Propulsion 9 when

[sturdy matrix]

Nemona problem I guess will be not so great DPS, she nukes hard and I guess the b move hits hard too, but thunder punch will probably suck

Don't know how strong she can hit at 3/5 with thunderpunch

However everyone is dry on sprint candies, so it would be a pain to level her up

[rough forum]

Her nuke is good but you can feel the lack of 1.5x

[zealous elm]

Has already been confirmed next HS to be Electric? I must've missed it if so

[rough forum]

It's on the twitter post

Anyway, the issue with nemona is how horrible the grid tiles are placed

[atomic rain]

her problem is definitely weak dps as well as having an expensive as shit grid

[warm kayak]

and all types will get more effect on Super EX, Field and Accelerate will be balanced around that

believe

[rustic summit]

it's a return of the cursed X memes when the games title changed

[bright river]

@midnight zinc

[midnight zinc]

I've been talking about extra grid energy for years

And about Super Sync Pairs

[blazing birch]

praying

[fair drift]

Shortened to what now

[primal shadow]

Hashtag moment

[rough forum]

So no top 100/500 role?

Sadge

[rancid perch]

[light star]

is there a role for the high score badge

[chilly kayak]

no

[elfin spade]

Mods took away our freedom of star

[worldly parcel]

Superduper 9

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Sync Pairs with Passive:

Volkner (New Year's 2022) & Electivire

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[onyx crystal]

I can't wait to proc this continuously against the upcoming High Score Event.

https://tenor.com/view/sueñitosgifs-traumatized-mr-incredible-los-increibles-meme-gif-24305569

[blazing birch]

I am doing a llittle project about Variety units and need help from HS players

how good would you think them could be in their respective type events

[onyx crystal]

I'd say HS favors:

• flinch/sleep pretty hard
• Defensive utility, units that buff Defense, Sp.Defense, or Evasion
• Defensive Utility #2, Offensive debuffs like Attack, Sp.Attack, or Accuracy.

Like these factors in addition to good damage/nuke.

[blazing birch]

on the defensive side Mallow is probably the better choice then?

vampire unit with offensive debuffs and synchro healing for support EX

[onyx crystal]

I'm not sure synchro healing/vampirism matters as much at high str levels. Like Lana was getting OHKO'd thru Water Guard.

[blazing birch]

but Lana can't buff crit or debuff offenses

that affects her healing and bulk

[onyx crystal]

Mallow def going to be very good for special stages.

[blazing birch]

Ball Guy does not sound as good for this, healing every other move when you don't have that time is annoying

[onyx crystal]

He doesn't buff his defenses fast enough.

[blazing birch]

that too

at least he can reset buffs which could be useful but the slow nature of his bulk is not gonna make him reliable

[outer whale]

Jolteon and Flareon can definitely be an 8 just for their weather usage and sync nukes

I feel like Lorelei, Ball Guy, and Mallow won't be able to use their gimmick of self recovery often unless it's a solo, however Ball guy's status usage and stat resets could be a boom, so Lorelei/Mallow about 6, but Ball Guy about a 7, maybe 8 depending on the stage itself.

Honestly feel like Bruno would be great for defensive and crit buffing as well as def drops, so a high 8.

Agatha is a bit niche unless the stage needs poison reliant strats, if so, she can definitely keep longevitiy with her passive, but I would say about a 7 due to slow defensive buffing.

Dragonair would be really good with it's rebuff, but the Hyper beam can be a drawback on gauge has good crit buffs, but might not be able to help much unless your team is fully dragon, so 7?

Lastly, Kiawe is kind of yikes in terms of their movekit, can be good for trapping and burn, but that's about it, would say it's a 5 but his debuffing capabilities can be really good

Of course this is just preliminary investigations.

TL:DR
Jolteon: 8
Flareon: 8
Vaporeon: 8
Ball Guy: 7.8ish
Lorelei: 6
Bruno: 8
Agatha: 7
Dragonair: 9
Kiawe: 7/8
Mallow: 6

[onyx crystal]

Kiawe I think would be a lot higher since he'd neuter the offenses of the stage, while providing nuke.

[blazing birch]

Extend Range is so good for that

[onyx crystal]

pair him with DPS unit

[blazing birch]

pair with an aoe unit to kill the sides while he nukes the center

[outer whale]

actually yea, extend range plus debuffing can bump him up to a good 7 or 8

I was only looking at his movekit

[onyx crystal]

Would runner have used Lyra Vap? did he have her?

[blazing birch]

It's hard to find players that pull for varieties

[onyx crystal]

The eevees are interesting, obviously they're good, but the concern is syncing would set weather and the enemy would proceed to use it.

[blazing birch]

yeah is a double edge sword

[outer whale]

I have Lyra Vaporeon, she was really good for fake tears + rain dance on sync, although i used her for Misty

[onyx crystal]

So yeah Rebuff, is obviously really good for this mode.

So Lance can get points for that.

[blazing birch]

Variety Lance: 📈

it is safier and permanent damage boost than the eeveetrio

so I guess he could be 9?

[onyx crystal]

Lance has DH+, and freebies with Hyper Beam, so yeah he's pretty good.

[outer whale]

^^^

[onyx crystal]

There are hardly any flinchers in dragon.

[blazing birch]

Anni Raihan

but is AoE

[outer whale]

Iris (Alt) exists.

.....

i hate that change so much

[blazing birch]

BP Zinnia

[onyx crystal]

AOE flinch is way worse honestly. Not just because of penalty, but because you'd make the queue unpredictable

[blazing birch]

as someone that attempted his Latias solo

I agreed

[outer whale]

not only penalty, but you also have to worry about resilience

[onyx crystal]

yeah the shield just makes it worthless

[blazing birch]

I would use Anni Raihan as a weather support with trap debuffs

could probably nuke something

[outer whale]

I would say one thing, Anni Raihan + Zinnia will be a really good pairing

[blazing birch]

they make a good combination

unlike the rayquaza duo

after the initial discussion

[outer whale]

I feel like Ball guy can get some usage if Poison high score relies more on stall tactics than DPS.

but we'll have to see

[onyx crystal]

ball guy would be a lot of resetting for the right status, unless someone else was also providing status

[outer whale]

Someone else would have to status, but he would be the one healing the team and himself

[blazing birch]

he only can heal himself unless you get lucky

[outer whale]

clear smog can also provide some help if you don't have someone with venom drench

[blazing birch]

yeah clear smog is probably the best tool for ball guy on HS events

[onyx crystal]

that would've been nice vsMarlon

[outer whale]

For Lorelei, i'm not entirely sure how useful she would be aside from gauge and healing, but if she can't handle a hit, what's the point of healing, especially after sync. also have to take into consideration ice partners for her.

although she DOES have team enduring

[blazing birch]

she buffs defense, crit and AoE endurance

[outer whale]

the AOE endurance can be realy useful, + crit, that can bump her up to a 7.

[blazing birch]

vigilance on grid could be useful for another LS to increase survavility

[outer whale]

she also has healthy healing already too. Maybe Adrenaline?

[onyx crystal]

No Quarter and Recharging Strike is also really handy for gauges.

[outer whale]

With this grid, she can definitely be an 8 actually. gives me SSB but for ice types.

[onyx crystal]

Oh, that's Endure on her TM.

def need mpr of that

[outer whale]

Now the question i have is how well can she take a hit

if she can tank a few good hits, along with the healing, she might actually be a 9.

[blazing birch]

solid def with her own buffs

[outer whale]

that HP is a bit concerning

[blazing birch]

spdef is eeeehhh....

[onyx crystal]

she's higher than lana

[outer whale]

this is EX btw

without EX

[onyx crystal]

Lana ex is 714/325/342

lorelei ex is 698/356/322

[outer whale]

Lana had water guard too so that prolonged her survivability

[onyx crystal]

Well guards are pretty rare on grids/base

but yeah that did help

[outer whale]

Maybe a guard could actually be useful on CLoyster

[blazing birch]

you want the TM MPR to max crit, but I guess you can skip it if your damage dealers already buff their crit

which is generally the case

[outer whale]

for ice type partners though

does anyone have team sharp entry?

[onyx crystal]

ice hs

[onyx crystal]

Pal Bea, and Melony

[blazing birch]

lol

[outer whale]

two other supports

Also lets keep this in mind, Lorelei is a Physical buffer.

Physical Ice Strikers include, SSSilver, SSN, HoliLeon, Candice, and Summer Steven

off the top of my head at least

[blazing birch]

Hala

[outer whale]

oh ya.... actually, hala would love recharging strikees

[blazing birch]

but his endurance kinda wasted

[outer whale]

good point :/

going to move from lorelei, but after more review, she can definitely be useful, so High 8, low 9

[onyx crystal]

You have to grade them in mind within their own type. So kind of hard to grade some types when they are lacking choices.

[outer whale]

as a unit themselves, they can be useful, let me look into other teammates. I can tell Summer Steven would be good with her, but idk about Candice, holiLeon or SSSilver aside from 1/5

oh god, wulfric exists.

and what sucks is that Lorelei can help him set up crit but he has endurance already

[outer whale]

recharging strikes would have to be relied on but does he even have a sync nuke?

[blazing birch]

no

[outer whale]

[blazing birch]

he is a striker

and his only sync multiplier is double down 5

which is useless because HS are offtype

[outer whale]

Ok so after seeing all the ice type teammates, Lorelei will be great with Holileon, Holinessa, and SSSilver.

even though SSSilver has endurance, you'll be wanting to focus more on sync nuking anyways

if your SSSilver is 2/5 then Endurance would be redundant so it's kind of eh

Ok, Bruno now.

For rock teams, this is lowkey actually really good.

[blazing birch]

+6 def all turn 1

[outer whale]

this is lookin really good.

this is looking to be really good for Bruno. especially since Olivia needs speed for nuking, and the rest need crit.

Bruno is super close to a 9, but he doesn't have team enduring, and the speed is a bit slow to raise especially since you need to take hits to increase speed.

at least he has regen to mitigate the damage, but it won't be enough when he's taking the hard hits.

[blazing birch]

it would be nice if he had first aid 4

this is how it looks right now

[outer whale]

glancing at agatha rn. her grid is not to shabby actually, but i feel like again, she will be niche unless she can utilize her poison.

[blazing birch]

I wish she had team hit and heal instead of just hit and heal

[outer whale]

hostile enviornment 1 on a 30% chance is kinda nice, but underhanded heal is needed

hmmm...

[blazing birch]

Roxie

[outer whale]

i think the biggest thing is just lack of poison units in general to find a good use to team with without another team suffering from it.

for right now, i'll keep at 7.

Lance, we already talked about enough, i think we're good on him. Same with Kiawe.

Mallow though...

[blazing birch]

Mallow is like Lana in some way

Giga Drain being same type means she is 100% offtyping, but she gets Master Healing to compensate

she buffs spdef and crit which I believe is a rare combination

[outer whale]

she has team hit and heal too, but the problem is grid energy...

like would you want to heal the team, or do you want her to survive longer with master healer

[scarlet summit]

Is Mallow one of the best units currently?

For LG?

[blazing birch]

she is pretty good for CS and LG

for HS...she does not seem as good as she could be

[outer whale]

she's not the best unit for LG in terms of variety

that's Ball guy

[scarlet summit]

Lol

[blazing birch]

well yes

[outer whale]

she is good though

[scarlet summit]

Is 1/5 good though?

[blazing birch]

I mean is pretty close

[scarlet summit]

I guess support shouldn’t be much of a problem

[blazing birch]

VMallow is very good even at 1/5

can solo 3 LAs with just that

[scarlet summit]

Wow

[blazing birch]

you probably want her to survive longer praying for a stage that does not use AoE moves

like, please? I hate Nessa's earthquake

and Misty's Blizzard

[outer whale]

yea. you do get synchro healing though to compensate for AOE

it's still kind of a panic heal tho

[blazing birch]

she doesn't have that many good partners

[outer whale]

it doesn't help that she has rain sync nodes. not sun.

[blazing birch]

VMallow Erika Lyra could work

but that's a double support

[outer whale]

hmm

[blazing birch]

you still have 5 other supports if you have them

but Rosa is uuuuhhh....

definitely a unit

[outer whale]

I'm ust trying to think if Erika will need the sun in the first place since she's not being hit by anything except for AOEs

solar flare would be nice, but you're having to sync with Lyra to even put UP sun

[blazing birch]

Lyra has actually an innate sync multiplier

so her sync is actually not terrible

Mallow buffing spdef would contribute to her damage

[outer whale]

so what would Erika bring to the table?

that's just my thought process

[blazing birch]

she can keep herself alive thanks to healing sun 2 against AoEs, can also debuffs spdef to increase damage and healing from mallow

[outer whale]

for me personally, i'd use Ramos for sleep stall strats instead of vileplume there. you'll need to sync once with Mallow to get synchro healing, (and EX if you have it)

[blazing birch]

I think the idea is that you could skip synchro healing if lyra and erika just keep with the healing

[outer whale]

vileplume could be used as a psuedo tank alongside SSErika with her sun

[blazing birch]

you could use ramos with them but then you can't debuff offenses with mallow

because they get resilience

[outer whale]

I'm also realizing that it will conflict with Mallow's Paralysis healing

[blazing birch]

exactly

erika can keep the healing with healing sun 2 and lyra with healing sun 1 + hit and heal

[outer whale]

dang, but i hope this helps out with your analysis

[brittle cosmos]

Lance feels very underrated

[blazing birch]

for LG?

[brittle cosmos]

In general

I don't see how one can argue Ball Guy is as good as Lance on CS

[blazing birch]

does it? I think 8 and 9 is a pretty good score

Ball Guy can solo stall 2.5k

[brittle cosmos]

Not particularly impressive since it's on specific stages

[blazing birch]

while Lance is way better for fast clears with rebuffs + freemove hyper beams

I could increase Lance to 9 in CS since it generally is better with fast clears

[brittle cosmos]

I think it also just relates to Ball Guy being too high

Agatha is much better prepared for CS

Ball Guy's buffing pace is just not really fit for CS

Also, I think Lance's supportive capabilities is not being taken into account

And he's just being viewed as an offensive unit

Even beyond Hyper Beam, he still got paralysis, rebuff, AoE accuracy buffs, crit buffs, and Speed buffs

And sync accel

[blazing birch]

increased Lance's score for CS

[brittle cosmos]

I still find Ball Guy's rating on CS to be way too high

I honestly would take most varieties over him

[true sparrow]

Why are Lance and Bruno so low in LG

[blazing birch]

They don't really counter LA gimmick at all and need of their teammates more than units with a higher score

For Ball Guy I don't see the issue on CS, you can do this to any stage

[true sparrow]

Last time I checked status conditions were part of the the gimmick of 3 LA

[brittle cosmos]

Lance literally counters the gimmick of multiple LAs

Tornadus, Cobalion, Uxie

And like I mentioned, doubles down as a support

With crit buffs, accuracy buffs, Speed buffs

[true sparrow]

Bruno is a good tank and has quick buffs alongside being pretty hard to take down on the physical side, which can aid in at the very least cobalion and Regirock.

[blazing birch]

Bruno has the problem that many LAs are either special or mixed

increased bruno and lance scores a bit

[cyan tusk]

I’d say variety mallow should be raised

[blazing birch]

to an 8/10?

[cyan tusk]

She addresses allora of gimmick, plus she can raise defense and lower both atk and special atk

As we have seen the opponents usually have mitigation 5 which is not so much, so debuffs really helps

And she has self sustain + syncro healing

[cyan tusk]

For me, it’s a yes

[forest ferry]

Ball guy is 10 for HS just coz he's like one of the few tanks in poison type

Same for vagatha

Support slotting feels hell for most types

[blazing birch]

the problem with ball guys is that he only heals every 2 moves

and with the high offensive pressure of HS, that is quite a problem

[cyan tusk]

And also if you fish for sleep it’s gonna be useless bc the opponents has already attacked

Btw id also consider Vlyra a little bit higher

Bc of the overall debuffs she can provide, between passives grids and moves

[sturdy matrix]

But what other poison tank will you use instead? Janine?

However I think they will try to do the better represented types 1st

If next is electric, I guess the next after can be probably either fire, grass or psychic

Probably more fire or Psychic

Then maybe grass and dragon

[tall arrow]

Fire and Psychic could also be what they are saving SSSteven and SSHilda for

Grass atm is weird because the recent PF units that we have are Victor and SSAcerola

[spark storm]

Well I would say the reverse personally, poison is a type clearly under represented, so poison HS won't come anytime soon (or maybe never) so grading ball guy on this seems just irrelevant

[forest ferry]

I mean

Grading anything is irrelevant

[tall arrow]

I mean, we are also assuming that they are just going to do Types, but they could just as easily do regions or trainer categories as well

[forest ferry]

Coz even for smth like pallow, they can scuff the entire event by making special grass dps scuffed

[spark storm]

True, but it should be taken into account that some are much more likely to be useful in HS than others

Like grass HS will probably happen this year, while poison one will probably have to wait a long time (meaning powercreep will make those units less useful)

I mean it's quite obvious that a unit is useless for an event if this event never happen

[blazing birch]

Interesting

[light star]

the fair thing would be to have everyone that already have the medal to willingly let those who dont hit masters.

ill just go for 180k points this time

[cunning shore]

I mean I would challenge myself but not actually push it that far?

[forest ferry]

It depends on stages itself tbh and how well my roster can deal with it

If I figure out that can't go super high pts, then I'll just slack at wherever my first run ended me up at

[nova anchor]

hey op peeps

[nova anchor]

would challenge myself not to pull before anni

[bright river]

Dead chat

@onyx crystal

[onyx crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-dance-dancing-shake-gif-4611956

It’s dead in here until we find if Nemona’s B Double Shock has 500+ power with multipliers.

[bright river]

I doubt it tbh

[onyx crystal]

Well it’s no where close to ash. But need a good reason to pull electric unit without terrain.

[sturdy matrix]

The main issue will be that thunder punch sucks, at least ash has insane thunder DPS and at 6ex his sync is AOE

[cyan tusk]

We’ve been getting 80K+ with crasher wake, Nemona can make a big difference

[chilly kayak]

doubt anyone is even saying she'll be better than Ash, it's just the hope that her bmove is good damage given it's only up to 2 uses

[warm kayak]

Ash really became THE dude in this game

as far as magical 1 click goes

[worn bronze]

I mean, it’s Ash

[warm kayak]

well yeah, but also the Ash that randomly loses to weak trainers in early eps of a season

[onyx crystal]

Nemona doesn't need to be Ash, but you certainly need to be something if you're not doing DPS or bringing terrain/rebuff.

[worn bronze]

Tbh dena can just copy whatever gimmick from this upcoming EBE to whatever benefits Nemona in the electric HS anyways

[sturdy glen]

So… not having her stats dropped and enemies not recovering from paralysis?

[warm kayak]

they don't even need to do that, FOMO will speak through people

[tiny ore]

nemona is also fairly popular i think

she already has tons of fans

she seems to be more popular than geeta at least?

[unreal crest]

Def more popular than that piece of mid

Wasted potential*, mb

[tiny ore]

I'm not a pawmot fan tho

plus anni so she's still gonna be a hard skip

[grand perch]

Dislike Nemona, hard skip

[warm kayak]

i just need to hear she's lodge and i will get her

since otherwise i know she will rerun a lot due to being the first Paldea

and she's not a tech so i can't candy her

[fair drift]

I doubt she'll be in lodge any time soon

All the pokefairs added to lodge have been older units

[warm kayak]

Adaman and Irida:

it doesn't make your statement any less valid but also works as countrargument

[fresh sapphire]

I think they'll add Nemona to lodge

Pretty soon

[chilly kayak]

they added Adaman and Irida, you know, debuting and MF on top, so anything goes these days

[cyan tusk]

We may be also seeing a mass update to the trainer lodge since it’s been 1 year

Maybe 6-7 characters all together

[round stone]

Me when my first run secured me top 500

[blazing birch]

ok question, how good would be PBea for an Ice type HS event?

and SSN too, I think those 2 are interesting units to look for a HS event in the future

[atomic rain]

hmm

depends honestly

[onyx crystal]

ice has 4 supports, and only 2 of them have team-wide defenisve buffs at a good level

[long oyster]

SSN would be good I guess

Those debuffs will help you tank enemy syncs by a mile

[cyan tusk]

SSN would be amazing bc of debuffs and piercing blows
PBea would be good bc of potions and turn skipping with astonish

Being an ice type event I’m not saying she’s amazing bc there’s high chance you are giving your opponents 100% accuracy blizzards with hail

[forest ferry]

Ice doesn't have enuff tanks so pal bea already good if you have her

Only very good tanks (like aura cyn, SSmorty) can wall super high str afterall

Standard pts from 600 str run in X3 pts is near impossible to match with X2 multiplier

[elfin spade]

Honestly we don’t have enough ice units for them to run an ice hs event for a while

[warm kayak]

I'd consider the fact ice is not coming for a long time still

and if they wanted to rush it we would get early signs in them overprinting units for it

but powercreep will slowly continue making existing units less relevant

[elfin spade]

I could see us getting an influx of new 3 and 4 star units through some new form of content to pad out the rosters of some different types

It just looks bad for the company if they’re doing like, ground type high score events with less than 15 units of that type in the game

[sturdy matrix]

Who are the other ice tanks? Glacia?

[chilly flame]

Glacia, melony, bea

[sturdy matrix]

I mean there aren't even 5 decent ice tanks

[chilly flame]

Does Brycen count as one?

[sullen pier]

with 644/168/202 bulk at 5*? uhh its a bit hopeless

[haughty haven]

HNessa?

She can tank physical stage with ice face until she run out of Hail

[spark storm]

Yh hail is a good idea so they will have even stronger blizzard

Don't forget that ice HS means opponent use ice moves too

[forest ferry]

It honestly depends on whether opponent would have Blizzard or not for that particular stage

They can torture us with icicle crash instead

[spark storm]

Is that really better?...

[atomic rain]

because icicle crash can actually miss in hail

[forest ferry]

Assuming you drop accuracy

[spark storm]

Coz they will probably have hail multipliers anyway to prevent us abusing it

[atomic rain]

isnt it 85%

[spark storm]

Meaning ohko icicle crash

[forest ferry]

Water HS didn't have stages with rain multipliers

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[atomic rain]

90%

but lana had team ppe2

so

[spark storm]

Cause rain boost water moves innately that wasn't needed

[atomic rain]

they are absolutely gonna do that if they ever do ice hs

[forest ferry]

Well ice zone exists now

[atomic rain]

💀

[forest ferry]

And irida also puts hail

[atomic rain]

on a master fair that ran like a month ago

[forest ferry]

Well
She's fucked either way then

[spark storm]

Who said they won't do both?

Then they do normal HS so they all have giga impact and hyper beam

[rancid perch]

they announced the electric one ahead of time so hopefully they do it for all of them

[mortal timber]

[sturdy matrix]

Doubt they will do Ice hs any soon

I guess they want to do the fairer types 1st

Ok maybe electric is a bit carried by the rats, but there are definitely more f2p friendly options than ice

[stray dust]

I think u mean a lot

[sturdy matrix]

Ice f2p + scout ticket general is pretty poor

Electric has some decent tanks like volkner, the clemonts, and maybe SS elesa and lodge elesa

Poison and ground would be just pain

But I guess you don't need to go on type x3 all stages to get 180k

[atomic rain]

ss elesa is a bad tank

horrible hp and is evasion based

[long oyster]

So what

HS is a rng fest

The main issue is finding balance between look alive buffs and keeping enough hp to tank 1st sync

[atomic rain]

you need actual hp to tank a first sync and shes not buffing defense either

[long oyster]

Lemme check something

[atomic rain]

if she had like tighten up on grid then she’d be better as a tank

[jagged eagle]

stoic 2 lucky skill

[atomic rain]

god fuck no

id would just take the hit to str and run like healthy healing

[long oyster]

329 defenses aint nothing tho

Lemme check smth

[atomic rain]

its good defenses but she was meant for a different meta

where tactics didnt exist

[long oyster]

I see healthy healing as overkill since she has ridicure

[atomic rain]

like she doesnt take a lot of damage but her bad hp stops her from being a good tank

[atomic rain]

yeah a 30% proc based on evasion

[long oyster]

Yup

That works for me

[atomic rain]

meh

id just go healthy healing and do 350

[long oyster]

It went clutch against Misty 500

[atomic rain]

she has 1 bar spam so its not like its really bad to work with though

[atomic rain]

misty on misty violence?

[long oyster]

Yup

[atomic rain]

idk i just let her die

i was running 3/5 archie so i had the raging rain on thunder

[long oyster]

My Archie died to a crit and ridicure helped tanking a Blizzard so I hydropumped the shit outta dewgong

And somehow it worked

[atomic rain]

oh you did misty “dps”

[long oyster]

No

She was the tank

I just switched because there was no Archie to destroy my gauge

Evasion > Accuracy drop in HS so not surprised she did so well

[atomic rain]

against mid evasion is better but accuracy works on sides

[long oyster]

Idk

Both Mistys did a better job at dodging after mid died than May at -6 acc

[atomic rain]

prob placebo then

[long oyster]

I hope

But I had a lot of retries

[atomic rain]

they should be the same

on sides

cuz sides dont have mind’s eye

[long oyster]

🤷🏾‍♂️

[atomic rain]

i mean tbf getting -6 is a lot harder than getting +6

misty can buff evasion pretty reliably and ss misty gets evasion from gaugeless water gun

[long oyster]

With On a Roll it's really not that hard

[atomic rain]

for me it was

because she kept dying

:mfw:

[forest ferry]

Hjasmine, BP clemont, lodge elesa, BP surge , Sonia are only good tanks

For electric

[long oyster]

Skill issue

[forest ferry]

[atomic rain]

ah yes skill issue when they’re -3 and shes +4

more like its a her issue

[long oyster]

Why does nobody count volkner as a tank

[forest ferry]

Coz no team buffs

Man isn't letting team mate tank sync

Eventho he lives

I doubt him living either

[atomic rain]

volkner isnt doing shit if your teammates die lmao

[forest ferry]

His tanking comes from ER3

[long oyster]

Tank

ET

[forest ferry]

And sync ignores it

[long oyster]

Flinch

Its not like he does nothing

[atomic rain]

kid named resilience

[forest ferry]

He's more off a sub tank

You still need someone that buffs other stuff

[long oyster]

As if resilience made us not pick flinchers

[forest ferry]

Would paralyse from thunder fang still remain during resilience?

[atomic rain]

it would

but does it actually matter unless you run N

[long oyster]

As long as it procs before resilience

[forest ferry]

Well in volkner's case he runs flinch as well

[atomic rain]

they have lessen x passives so you need a ton of luck

for para to actually work

[forest ferry]

Well I am running N

He's most likely tied to zekrom

[atomic rain]

yeah

[tranquil blaze]

Hm, I wonder if I can get master Rank w/ my electric types….I feel like I have the easy heavy hitters (Red and Ash) unlike with the water types….

(Obviously move level and EX aren’t accounted for with this, I just wanted to see how many electric units I have out of all of them for this event)

[warm kayak]

Ash + Red should be enough, granted you can EX stuff freely

you have them at 3/5 right?

[tranquil blaze]

Red + Ash are EXed + 3/5 so i don’t have to worry about them at least, not sure who else would need EX tho (and I def can, I hog EX items lmao)

[warm kayak]

mostly supports probably

we will see what the stages require, but you have some damage dealing options

for the 3 remaining battles

some strikers will also want EX'd nuke

but again, depends on stage details

[tranquil blaze]

I’m also gonna pull for nemona! Probably after August’s datamine for anni and once we know the gem count (as I want anni, nemona and either SS kris or SS Lyra)

[warm kayak]

Nemona will depend on her sync lvl

with evasion (4/5 i think?) you can reset to neuter sides with misses

3/5 for sync damage

we dont know her B Move multiplier too

[rapid pebble]

I feel empty without the high score trophy

[hardy fog]

You also feel empty when you have it

[fresh sapphire]

You need to clear 5 stages btw

A lot of people will have Ash and Red, so the ranking will come to stages which didn't use them

[hardy fog]

It's likely Zebstrika will be one of the 5 teams used for High Score right?

I've got a 1/5 N I'm guessing 5/5 Zebstrika will be significantly stronger

[forest ferry]

We don't know what gimmick it's gonna offer

So better not TC now
Just have your electric units invested

If most stages block physical damage dealers(to deal with SSTred) zekstrika might become niche option

[true sparrow]

Yes, she has both better nuke and setup, alongside gauge, which heavily favors her. N at 1/5 would depend on super effective which most likely won't be usable.

Gimmick should most likely be paralysis since that's what most electric units have in common.

[cyan tusk]

It’s up the stage, N has piercing blows which could be a wildcard actually

1/5 N will be needing a tech nuker btw

[true sparrow]

Only way I see PB being relevant is to bypass healthy advantage or endurance

I don't think it will be super relevant

[hardy fog]

Thanks

I tried out zebstrika pretty cool unit

[rigid steppe]

How does my electric roster look?

[sullen pier]

Easily in top 10k

Unlike water type, electric eggmon isnt good

[stray dust]

U have ash and red it's a winner alr

[maiden canopy]

Ash and Red alone are guaranteed top 10k right?

[atomic rain]

they’re like a guaranteed 500 str for any fight they’re on unless it reduces a damage type or blocks a specific role

[rough forum]

Yeah I think with both you're top 2-3k guaranteed

[forest ferry]

You mean
Guaranteed top 500

As long as you try

[rough forum]

There's so many fucking rats users

The rest of your roster still matters

[forest ferry]

Those that got medal during water HS might slack

Also rat users that aren't in this channel tend to run both together

[rough forum]

I'm 100% slacking because electr is a shit typing

[forest ferry]

Instead of splitting em up

[rough forum]

And I've got nothing big in it

[forest ferry]

So it's less points

I feel other than rats , next big unit is hjasmine

Coz we don't even have more than 5 functioning tanks

[cyan tusk]

Koko is gonna be good too bc I already see a fairy weak something coming up in the electric HS, and that dazzling gleam is gonna hurt

[sturdy glen]

I already has a fairy weak something
what?

[cyan tusk]

Woop, correct lol

[sturdy glen]

by logic i'd say yes too
because both morpeko, pawmot and zekrom can be fairy weak
but the fact the water event is called
X-type Masters
makes us assume that dena may not put them as enemies

so unless they still give to some of the enemies a morpeko/pawmot
or that they already ignore the "masters" part
i don't really see some fairy weak opponent

wait... i forgot arctozolt
maybe there's a chance...
but i don't remember any specialists that use it

[cyan tusk]

My guess is gonna be N and Zekrom, but morpeko may work too. Morpeko could also be fighting weak while zekrom dragon weak. I’m fine with both, gonna use the forbidden outrage grid on my N

[stray dust]

I'm slacking there's no top 100 medal or anything

[maiden canopy]

Master is top 10k, Grandmaster is top 1k and Champion is top 100

[livid tusk]

I have one rat and that should be good enough to rack up some huge points.

Would everyone in 10k use double rats though?

Is that how many rat users there are?

[maiden canopy]

Depends, how many have played during the 3rd anni last year?

[stray dust]

Even if u have double rats u kinda have to know the strategy behind higher strengths

[livid tusk]

Fair, I just want to keep up the medals if possible

[rough forum]

Not 10k

But 2k surely

[sturdy glen]

that would unironically be poggers

[livid tusk]

I will aim for 10k even without Ash

[hardy fog]

You think Dena would bring back an op electric to pull on like they did with water

There is only sst red and ash lol

[true sparrow]

well, both pokéfair rerunning were better than Archie

[sturdy glen]

worse: they will bring the rats back

[true sparrow]

and so was Eusine that ended right before

[hardy fog]

I mean djglo and ss lysandre

[true sparrow]

they can rerun Hau

Lysandre was a super early rerun

so there's a chance

[hardy fog]

I mean lysandre made a huge difference for my newer roster

[true sparrow]

Nemona is also pretty good 'tho I'm not sure how impactful she's gonna be

[hardy fog]

Hau just finish like couple of months ago right?

[true sparrow]

Hau was in april to september 5 months, lysandre was in feb to july also 5 months

[sturdy glen]

definitely she will have a free slot
flinch is super good against sides
also evasiveness too if 4/5

[rustic summit]

good ending electric hs banner: SS Hau and Classic Elesa

bad ending electric hs banner: N and Marnie

[hardy fog]

I would think from a business perspective if they bring back ash and sst red it would make Anni a lot less valuable/ie spend less because people will just wait for rerun

[true sparrow]

I think marnie is gonna be the next rerun for Lodge

so they are rerunning n now and have marnie next month

[sturdy glen]

i can save my paid

[true sparrow]

and can give the double banner for hau and elesa as you mentioned

[true sparrow]

I think so too

[hardy fog]

Hau would be nice. But its another dam tech.

And it looks like you get 1 candy every 1.5 month lol so sad

[true sparrow]

c elesa could get her expansion

I think would make sense

[hardy fog]

You got a stacked electric roster Runner? Gunning for number 1 again?

[true sparrow]

nah, there are quite a few I don't have

will still be fun to see how far I can go

I can see marnie getting a super effective stage would skyrocket her value a lot

[atomic rain]

what electric type is also weak to dark tho

[rough forum]

Definitely

[true sparrow]

SS Elesa and her rotom

[rough forum]

^

[atomic rain]

please give celesa actual tiles

and not like

whatever the fuck it is now

static shock 1 is so useless

[true sparrow]

I assume she's getting a nuke and setting terrain with sync

[rancid perch]

alolan raichu

[rustic summit]

got it, Electric Terrain: P-Move Freebie it is

[hardy fog]

There are so many awesome mechanics of majn series that they took out of this game which makes it less fun but they got me hooked to pulling

[true sparrow]

I hadn't considered alolan raichu

but yeah that makes even more likely

since hau is also big

[rough forum]

100% making Marnie fairy weak

For hau

I doubt n Zekrom will be a stage

[true sparrow]

not sure marnie would get in as an electric specialist

[rough forum]

I mean

Sides are a thing

Technically

Because tbh I don't see many "non ground" electr picks

Sophocles + Clemont could get respectively...fire and fighting?

[true sparrow]

we had nessa, marlon, lana, misty and archie

elesa, volkner, surge, clemont I think are a sure thing

[rough forum]

Yeah but like

[true sparrow]

last one either soph or hau

[rough forum]

Their aces would be pure electr for the first 3

[weary rivet]

Wattson spotlight to coincide with the HS copium

[true sparrow]

elesa has emolga or rotom

[chilly kayak]

watch them add the guy only for the event and keeping him in NPC jail like Chuck

[true sparrow]

surge could have mahneton or magnezone

clemont should be his heliolisk

and volkner would have only electric

being vire or luxray

[cyan tusk]

They can rerun Classic Elesa which they’ve never done lmao

[sturdy glen]

they can run a new electric support
since that we desperately need of it

[forest ferry]

Can cope with snarl build clemont+ sselesa

Other teams can be tanked by BP surge, BP clemont, Lelesa, Sonia

[sturdy glen]

me, that would like to get top 100 again, but can't ex 4* stuff

[warm kayak]

here's your... BP unit

[sturdy glen]

[round stone]

Lodge Sophocles and Vikavolt

[magic sandal]

VKris is getting slept on imo similar to VLyra

Hau is another shout

[flat sundial]

.

[desert elm]

Can confirm she’s slept on.

[magic sandal]

She’ll be able to sync while debuffing the enemy, healing, nuking and providing evasion which are all really really good for high strength clears

Terrain as well

[flat sundial]

if you say so

[livid tusk]

I agree with the CElesa Rerun although how impactful will that be for her? Would need to focus on her Nuke to be impactful for High Score.

[stray dust]

1/5 will probably be impactful alr

Shock factor is extremely strong

[sullen pier]

she doesnt gain much from dupes as well unless she gets Power Play in 5/5 grid

[stray dust]

Her max moves are also all relevant

Electric terrain / ally damage guard

[cyan tusk]

Not the nuke, but the debuffs are already fine since we know the enemies have lessen 5 stuff

Debuffing the mid will help in surviving the sync plus there’s stuff to increase defense in her grid

CElesa rerun with 5/5 grid is highly probable, maybe together with one among Hau/Marnie/N

[forest ferry]

I mean
There's not enuff tanks

And electric is pretty stacked on dps

Without hjasmine, you either run eleSSa tank for 5th team or run a offtype tank

[desert elm]

That's what I'm saying. Sonia and HoliJasmine are the only two Electric supports who can actually take a damn hit.

[rustic summit]

BP Clemont is probably the best after those two

[cyan tusk]

Bp surge has endurance + first aid to endure some hits, plus his tm slowly raises defenses
Lodge elesa has leech life and good special bulk together with endurance/FA/healthy healing

But they do need Ex bc they are squishy

Bp Clemont is a bit higher bc of screech (andsync regen/syncro healing)

We do have some F2P electric supports with ex at least.. water hs only had like Swimmisty and marlon lmao

[rustic summit]

BP Clem also has Electrorepulsion 3 + Shock Healing 1, as well as innate Endurance and Vigilance (meaning Healthy Healing LS or what have you) alongside his defense buffs

squeeze in Synchro Healing if possible and you have one tanky magnet cluster

[rustic summit]

here's what i went for, skipped Quick Cure and FA4 for Eureka MPR

[cyan tusk]

It’s gonna be up to you pair him with actually.. n+Volkner seems a good idea btw

[rustic summit]

anyone that can drop electric terrain would be nice for him

[rough forum]

My beloved

[true sparrow]

well, Volkner can very comfortably be the tank alongside someone the buffs defenses, which should be better than what most bp/lodge can do

900 hp, 250 defenses, electrorepulsion 3, firs aid and shock recovery

[rustic summit]

true plus passive damage mitigation via flinches/paralysis

[true sparrow]

yep, just from bulk he should be better tank than someone like hilbert

adding mitigation healing and flinch he can act a a tank on level of Lana

[rustic summit]

dodgetank hilbert vs lana for water hs was

scarring, to say the least

[true sparrow]

depending on the units you're using that can either mean higher dmg output or using a supp to give defensive buffs as eggmon or one of the bp/lodge

[forest ferry]

Clemont can drop accuracy and spl atk
So we can repeat the evasion memes here as well

Same with celesa except better

or 5/5 U9 sshau users

[rustic summit]

my hau is 1/5

b-but thats why he's getting a rerun along with celesa in september

[forest ferry]

Celesa is defo going with ash if I get her

[true sparrow]

I kinda feel c elesa needs a expansion to be relevant

otherwise I don't see her being a unit that you would miss having

[forest ferry]

Celesa has stat drops tho

[rustic summit]

ib4 one of the electric hs stages has fluid fortification

[forest ferry]

You can run clemont for such stage

[true sparrow]

she's hardly the only electric unit with debuffs

[forest ferry]

Or sshau himself

He drops 2 stats

3 with U9

Hmmm can he even pick U9 and MG9 at same grid

[true sparrow]

Kris, Marnie, Red, Hau, Clemont (bp and base) ,Sonia, Lt. Surge all have debuffs

obviously C Elesa is better at debuffing

but I don't think that by itself is enough to slot

since she lacks offensive pressure altogether

[forest ferry]

So ash runs volkner with him?

Coz I ain't running SSTred with him

[true sparrow]

I don't know, gotta see the stages

[rustic summit]

i'm going off of the assumption that they'd be doing another duo banner like with glojo and lyss - it would make sense to run celesa and hau together rather than, say, N or Marnie getting yet another non-lodge banner run

[forest ferry]

Coz I feel celesa is best with ash

[true sparrow]

not all stages need the field effect

that's not a must nor necessarily the best scenario

I had 2 teams without rain for water one

[rustic summit]

yeah rain - for the most part - was just shooting yourself in the foot for the water HS

[true sparrow]

it might just be the same for electric

there's no way to build teams preemptively like this

[rustic summit]

we'd have to wait for datamine yeah

[forest ferry]

I mean
You can just fire the dmax before ash's sync and then bunderbolt it right away
She also provides debuffs ontop
Stuff like Kris and sshau need to sync for terrain

[true sparrow]

I'm sure nobody was expecting for Marlon to be as impactful in a stage

as he ended up being

[true sparrow]

well that's like saying I can just setup rain before tech nuke, but that's not guaranteeing my win, even with C Serena debuffing evas, acc and flinching there was still quite the struggle to end sides

all I can say is that it gets to a point where debuffs are only keeping you from not getting oneshot from the sync, they're not making them less threatning

[cyan tusk]

But he drops physical defense, that’s why

And C elesa needs another power play and powerups on her dynamax somehow

[atomic rain]

she needs an actual multiplier

thats her problem

her dps is literally nonexistent and her grid is bad utility stuff

max static shock 3 💀

[true sparrow]

Complementing this, I don't think higher damage output is what ash is looking for to complement his team, you mainly want to make sure your tank can survive to reach around 4th sync so he can kill sides with his nuke and weaken center for b move.

[atomic rain]

well celesa can do that

[true sparrow]

Unless you're going for the 20% flinch she cannot

[weary rivet]

How would you actually make CElesa have dps

[true sparrow]

You don't

She could act as SS Misty if she had a nuke

[atomic rain]

oh is attack debuffs not enough

yeah staggering 1 is uh

[true sparrow]

Debuffs are enough to survive a sync, but after that you need to flinch or evade

[sturdy glen]

Waiting for a second power play at 5/5

[true sparrow]

There's not much where to go

[worldly parcel]

Elesa (Classic) & Emolga

<:GRID_SYNC:967786997982830712> __Sync Tiles:__

(3) Showstopping Electric Beam: Power +25
(3) Showstopping Electric Beam: Power +25

<:GRID_MOVE:967786997265629195> __Move Tiles:__

(2) Light Screen: MP Refresh 2 - Has a chance (30%) of restoring one MP of the user's move when that move is successful.
(2) Light Screen: Move Gauge Refresh 3 - Has a chance (40%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.
(2) Nuzzle: Mad Strength 3 - Has a chance (40%) of raising the user's Attack by one stat rank when its attack move is successful.
(2) Nuzzle: Move Gauge Refresh 3 - Has a chance (40%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.
(2) Sparkle and Shine!: MP Refresh 2 - Has a chance (30%) of restoring one MP of the user's move when that move is successful.
(2) Thunder Shock: Move Gauge Refresh 3 - Has a chance (40%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.

‎

(3) Light Screen: Barricade Buddies 1 - Raises the Sp. Def of all allied sync pairs by 1 stat rank when the user's move is successful.
(3) Max Guard: MAX Barricade Buddies 2 - Raises the Sp. Def of all allied sync pairs by 2 stat ranks after using the user's max move.
(3) Nuzzle: Paralysis Synergy 4 - Powers up the user's moves when the target is paralyzed.
(3) Thunder Shock: Staggering 1 - Has a chance (20%) of making the target flinch when the user's attack move against it is successful.

<:GRID_PASSIVE:967786997215264808> __Passive Tiles:__

(1) Lithe - Prevents the user from getting paralyzed.

‎

(3) MAX Shielding Strikes 2 - Raises the user's Defense by 2 stat ranks after using its max move.
(3) MAX Static Shock 3 - Powers up the user's max move when the target is paralyzed.
(3) Shock Factor 1 - Has a chance (20%) of lowering the target's Attack, Defense, Sp. Atk, Sp. Def, and Speed by one stat rank when the user's attack move is successful against a paralyzed opponent.
(3) Superduper Effective 4 - Powers up moves that are super effective.

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[haughty haven]

She have light screen so she will be much better on special stage

How much dmg reduce with -6SpA and light screen ?

[true sparrow]

Around 50% or so

[worldly parcel]

Conditions:

1: 3* Min Rarity | All Pairs (Limited Included) | Type | All allies Special Defense Up‎

------------------------------

Clemont & Magneton
‎　⤷Eureka!
Elesa & Joltik
‎　⤷X Sp. Def All
Elesa (Classic) & Emolga
‎　⤷Sparkle and Shine!
‎　⤷Light Screen: Barricade Buddies 1, Max Guard: MAX Barricade Buddies 2

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[true sparrow]

The world if she didn't have a def buff passive locked only to herself

[haughty haven]

Hope at least 1 stage just use special move

CElesa only buff Def from grid using Max Guard

Hell no

[true sparrow]

Maybe using someone with endurance as tank and her max move for protect on them can buy a few turns

[worldly parcel]

Conditions:

1: 3* Min Rarity | All Pairs (Limited Included) | Type | Endure‎

------------------------------

Ash & Pikachu
‎　⤷Ash’s Tenacity
Clemont & Magneton
‎　⤷Endurance
Elesa & Joltik
‎　⤷Endurance
Jasmine (Holiday 2022) & Ampharos
‎　⤷Comforting Light!
‎　⤷Endurance
Lt. Surge & Raichu
‎　⤷Endurance
Nemona & Pawmot
‎　⤷Let’s Battle All Out!
Player & Pikachu ( Special Striker)
‎　⤷Endurance, Unyielding 1, Unyielding 1
Sonia & Yamper
‎　⤷Endurance
Sophocles & Togedemaru
‎　⤷Endurance, Unyielding 2

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[true sparrow]

But unless they completely shut down flinch, sophocles will likely be a pick showing up a lot more than c elesa.

[haughty haven]

Electric have a lot of endure

[weary rivet]

HJasmine spamming endurance with her tm

[cyan tusk]

3/5 Celesa could act as a support by increasing defenses with light screen and max moves lmao

[haughty haven]

Player Pikachu with endure + 2 Unyielding 1

[true sparrow]

Only sp.def

Def buff is locked to herself

[cyan tusk]

Rip her

The forbidden rerun

[true sparrow]

if she ends up being the rerun and expansion, will likely be tailored for a stage

I do think she's really good as a side unit rn

just not a mandatory one

like for water, to compete for a really high position you needed 2 or 3 of lysandre, kris, eusine, gloria, archie and serena.

Lyra was also really good, just not a lot of ppl had her invested

[forest ferry]

I only had 3 of those
Barely scraped through T200

[true sparrow]

for electric ash, red, and jasmine are very well consolidated

[forest ferry]

Only potential top tier ones I have are ash, red , sshau

[true sparrow]

how high others go I think depends more on the stages

[forest ferry]

Or zekrom if there's a dragon weak mid

[cyan tusk]

Lyra was super bc her nuke is actually really really good accounting for the special defense debuffs… unfortunately mine was only 2/5

[true sparrow]

like gloria is amazing ofc

but if lana wasn't fight weak

she wouldn't be such a priority there

[forest ferry]

True

Zekrom and Marnie have potential to be top tier

If they favor one of their typings

[true sparrow]

I see more marnie than N in terms of that

since power trip is just naturally a lot stronger

outrage I think might end up not really changing much

since bolt strike is so much stronger of a move

making your build around confusion or not being confused would be quite odd as well

I have one problem with SS Hau and is his terrain with extension

he'll need a stage where the opponent sync is not electric

[forest ferry]

Yea

Well same problem can be said for kris

But ig , Kris won't be that bad

[true sparrow]

yes, but since kris doesn't have extension you can just not have her sync and set manually with someone else so they don't sync you

[forest ferry]

Coz hau wants a terrain to even fire his move

[true sparrow]

with hau you can only have the 3rd sync with him and 4th considering that take out the opponent

and for someone else to set terrain also needs to be after opponent first sync

so it's quite the puzzle

like with May I had her set rain as 2nd move of 1st turn after first sync

and would allow me to sync in rain and immediatly run out before they sync

[forest ferry]

[true sparrow]

red has on demand so it's also manageable even if requiring some trial and error

[forest ferry]

Red would likely be shoved in stage without electric sync

So he can go full on monke mode

[true sparrow]

the interesting thing is that this nature of High Score of fighting the same type as you're using

heavily favors rebuff be it offensively or defensively

[lone harness]

Ash and Red are 100% guaranteed to destroy two of the next month's Electric High score, but who else can be useful?

[cyan tusk]

Elesa, as og kris

And I do see potential in NY Volkner too even if not super effective

[forest ferry]

Well NY volkner is defo better than hau and BP sophocles

[tardy vector]

Abit of a long stretch but who is a must invest? For next high score

Not sure if I can get elesa by then?

But don’t know if 3/5 or 5/5 Hau is worth it when I get elesa?

[stark trail]

i’d say 3/5 is good, considering how many electric types you’re going to need for this event

[forest ferry]

There's exactly 10 units in there

And you aren't recommended to run 1 electric comp

[tardy vector]

Could get some from eggs

[forest ferry]

Electric eggs all suk

[tardy vector]

And there’s n, nemoma? The rerun for the high score

[forest ferry]

That's assuming you roll and get em

And potentially not roll anni

Who aren't guaranteed to be electric units either

Even then

Getting 5 electric units in 2 month span is......

Doesn't sound as realistic

[tardy vector]

If I’d have to pick some units which I have to invest for sure?

[forest ferry]

You are doing elesa lodge right?

[tardy vector]

There lodge elesa

As well

Yup

[forest ferry]

All electric units are good to invest