Legendary Gauntlet 17 (Registeel, Azelf, Cobalion)

[worthy horizon]

maybe he can get to bar 3 and then he can't crit

[river cliff]

Ss morty and thorton look like the only two that can escape 12

Thorton can probably hit 14 if anyone has the patience for that

and has him at all

[bitter gate]

I feel if morty could cross 12 Drift could've done it already

[shy notch]

Adaman should be able to get to 13. Hoping I can get good enough skill gears at some point

[rocky oasis]

im gonna keep working on my niche ass dc gladion solo lol

yall can have 14/14

[shy notch]

I’ve gotten close with Elio on Registeel several times. Not a fun solo

[rocky oasis]

gl

[covert geode]

I clicked accidentally here and had a smile looking at this old chart

[rocky oasis]

back before the days of 30% flinch moltres solos

[shy sinew]

oh pre-Registeel wow

[dreamy warren]

in just a little more than a year full solos increased tenfold

[brisk sapphire]

Wait Steel was just a 2023 addition? wow

[dreamy warren]

last la

[rocky oasis]

grid expansions + exr + sa opens a lot up

• skill gear

[brisk sapphire]

I still need DR gears

[dreamy warren]

+increased insanity

[thick dawn]

you seem to be making great progress on this so i'd love to see it happen. don't take too long tho i might just pick it back up :p

[shy notch]

I would be happy to see it done either way so I can stop attempting it lol. I’ll keep trying for now

[thick dawn]

i am fighting my own battles right now

[inner turret]

oh you're back at it

[dawn plume]

thats certainly a battle

[rocky oasis]

wait ahat

marlon is getting a solo before tlgloria

that kooks miserable

[gleaming cypress]

what potential solo for any of the 60 odd units left without one isn't miserable

[inner turret]

the ones that are impossible

[gleaming cypress]

good one

what is marlon's wincon against sure crit latios bar 3 surf

i don't see him syncing in time

was it a missed crit?

[rocky oasis]

guess phoebe is still waiting fir her bugfix

i dont think anyon is attempting ny lance

like that rng is miserable but possible in theory

[bitter gate]

I can try it

Sort of

[rocky oasis]

i sure asf aint

touching that

tl gloria is probably easier tbh

[bright brook]

5 new members joined the 14/14 club in the span of 3 days since the beginning of 2025

[gleaming cypress]

12 PFs, 5 MF, 2 ASF and the first seasonal

we have alot to look forward to

[vital ibex]

raihan 🤝 steven

having 2 alts that solod all 14 LAs

[sacred thicket]

giovanni reaching 14 full solos is so cool

[dawn plume]

i thought a ground type could never 14/14 cuz of cresselia

[sacred thicket]

and also mad funny too LOL

[dawn plume]

but raihan, uh, finds a way

[sacred thicket]

sand chip i presume

[dawn plume]

yep lol

[sacred thicket]

LMFAO

[rotund rain]

And also having a non Ground move with damage

[sacred thicket]

oh true rock slide?

okay yeah rock slide access makes far more sense now 😭

[rotund rain]

But it could be like Rika solo it’s mostly chip

[bright brook]

gloria is either really good or really bad 💀

[dawn plume]

is rafa just making a mega video of all of raihan's solos

[sacred thicket]

summer gloria not having a solo is heinous

but also uh

[pearl pawn]

How can she not solo entei

[sacred thicket]

yeah it makes sense 😭

[dawn plume]

she has gotten very close on entei

[bright brook]

base gloria needs SA just to solo latios...

[sacred thicket]

shes soooooo slow build

[rotund rain]

I thought she already did Entei, or at least very close to it

[inner turret]

he has editing issues

the sound is delayed and he struggles to get the clears on his pc to fix it

[sacred thicket]

i believe in the summer gloria superawakening and masters day grid expansion that will let her solo moltres

[bright brook]

android moment

[sturdy steeple]

strikes vs techs:

[graceful folio]

[river cliff]

Strikers have certainly undergone a renaissance recently

[tender horizon]

No Raihan Latias?

[tender horizon]

Ye she got two hackmons

[sturdy steeple]

he got 14 just wait for the rafa video

[true tartan]

I'm not updating the positions until the video is up

as some want to watch the entries

just pre-set the stuff

[upper lance]

Because for some reason her aggravation isn’t the classic aggravation, it’s the same one that Nanu

Also having to switch between attack and TM is quiet something.

[pearl pawn]

Stinky

[true tartan]

she's been close many times to defeat Entei tho

[pearl pawn]

Some day

[true tartan]

trust in them giving her a custom cookie that's useful...

Sharp Entry 2 (or 3) would be great

or critical crit...

[pearl pawn]

True

[raven crane]

First you gotta trust in them giving her a cookie.

[true tartan]

Summer N got a cookie so...

[rocky oasis]

i remember one of them got catalytic accel for a cookie

aka the most useless one

[raven crane]

Needle in a haystack my friend.

[dawn plume]

he got quick tempo which is dena's favorite personal cookie skill i guess

[rocky oasis]

idk what unit even gets anything out of quick tempo LS

[sturdy steeple]

its just bad

[tender horizon]

Quick tempo translates to We dont give a shit

[quaint tartan]

Thought it was like
Vigilance
Or
MGR2

[shy notch]

As bad as quick tempo is, I’ll take that over the “personal” cookies that are just generic

[raven crane]

Agreed.

[tender horizon]

Someone got Status Immunity

I think thats very ominous because

Its actually gonna be valuable if LG never reruns

[true tartan]

if the mode "never reruns", they'll just repurpose the cookies to other modes lol

but hard to say they'll do that

[worthy horizon]

so is brendan vs moltres but i feel like that one actually has better odds with how few buffs ny lance has access to

that are also tied to recoil

he's just not even remotely a solo unit

[rocky oasis]

we are running out of solos

sooner or later some whale will do it

[worthy horizon]

i really don't think so

[rocky oasis]

I question the sanity of certain whales

[worthy horizon]

there's very different levels of rng needed to make things possible

people will only go so far

it's not close to any existing solo i feel like

anyone ever actually see how far ny lance gets lol

[rocky oasis]

i dont have him

i skip most seasonals

[worthy horizon]

i'd kinda be surprised if anyone can get him to even kill one side

[shy sinew]

only certain ones?

[rocky oasis]

@worthy horizon got to the last 40% on uxie w/ dc gladion

just needed one more tm mpr i think

[worthy horizon]

nice nice

[pearl beacon]

I'm hating that so much

got bored on chekcing custom LS bcs half of those are tempo

[river cliff]

Then every once in while we get some like Paulo's and fall Caitlin's

[dawn plume]

fall caitlins is so good why cant they all do that

[river cliff]

Letting a support buff an entire new stat is pretty godlike. It helped rosa a lot too

[vital ibex]

i forgot paulo's was lowkey really good

did he get any new solos due to unfort

[rocky oasis]

got to 30%

died bc of a crit shadow ball on bar 2

wouldve had the hp to live thunder o

[vital ibex]

30% on what lol

oh uxie w gladion

thought you meant paulo

[river cliff]

Doesn't look like any of his new solos use it

[vital ibex]

tragic

[river cliff]

I think Latias might be possible tho

[vital ibex]

maybe with 10/5

no way he does it at base

[river cliff]

Yeah no

[rocky oasis]

he doesnt strike me as a vsry bulky unit

[river cliff]

If they make sa candies more accessible I'll try it

[vital ibex]

he has support exr and can buff both defenses to +4

it aint bad

[river cliff]

Soothing sand helps a little too

[vital ibex]

healings his main problem

since he only has 1 extended sand

[river cliff]

And getting to his b move to buff his defenses takes a bit

[karmic willow]

man

DU gloria got moltres

damn

[dawn plume]

thunder 😦

[raven crane]

Fleench prevails.

[rocky oasis]

cant get the rng to cooperate

if i get enough tm mprs and dont get crit i should be able to take the thunder EZPZ

[dreamy warren]

I read that as french prevails

[raven crane]

I hope not.

[sturdy steeple]

HEHEHEH

[karmic willow]

frecnh

[true tartan]

Rafa video came in finally

[sturdy steeple]

https://youtu.be/G5iHkJBq8P8?t=1*

[hallow gull]

2 hours …..

[sturdy steeple]

doc updated with the runs yay

(but its right there just watch the movie)

[dreamy warren]

do ya all think we will get to a point where there will be a 14/14 every month

[sturdy steeple]

that was basically 2024

[dreamy warren]

there was a 14/14 every month?

[sturdy steeple]

just so many good units

no but a ton

[dreamy warren]

I think every month this year will have at least one 14/14

[sturdy steeple]

wouldnt be too crazy if it does happen

[true tartan]

added all runs with timestamps

[sturdy steeple]

lol

not too fun skimming the entire 2 hour video for the timestamps

[dreamy warren]

I wonder how far will atticus go

[sturdy steeple]

probably can cook pretty well

[dreamy warren]

iirc he only has two poison procs?

[pearl pawn]

What is the longest Solo I used to think it was PBea on moltres

[true tartan]

please stay still for some days

lol

[sturdy steeple]

longest solo is probably some proton or vfalkner solo

old pbea cobalion was much longer than any pbea moltres

[pearl pawn]

I recall when Lyra getting torn and how it seemed impossible

[sturdy steeple]

just needed a lil help,,,

[true tartan]

now look at DeNA giving her something for it in the 4/5 tiles lol

[sturdy steeple]

EXTENSION PLEASE

ohmy god sskris can finally get extension now

[pearl pawn]

We both know they’ll go out of their way to stop her from getting it

[shy notch]

I think v sawyer takes the cake for longest solo

His Cobalion run is 30 min

[sturdy steeple]

5/5: head start 1

i would Cry,

[sturdy steeple]

right him, that probably takes the cake

[shy notch]

Cobalion’s gradual healing adding minutes lol

[dreamy warren]

I forgot v sawyer even existed

[pearl pawn]

lol

[bitter gate]

Lana solos may start coming in today

or tommorrow

I wonder how many she'll do

[shy sinew]

well no he doesn’t take the cake because the bonus stats make his solos faster

[true tartan]

how come

[bitter gate]

you know some luccsaccs

will get her by today or something

I actually was at 58 on day 2

[true tartan]

wut?

[bitter gate]

but yesterday she literally stopped before I could give her items in lodge

[worthy horizon]

reset tricks and people grinding it will consistently get it by day 3

[true tartan]

oh, you meant lodge lana

I was thinking it was SS Lana

[bitter gate]

Yeah, i don't really play with resets

I meant lodge, oops

[sturdy steeple]

hehehe good one

[bitter gate]

tbh SS Lana should be able to get more no

especially since she has free vigilance now

[true tartan]

yeah

[bitter gate]

and can run stoic/FT more reliably

[pearl pawn]

You would think after the 30Th sync buff Sawyer would start doing damage

[true tartan]

but not specifying which one... and talking about high solo counts kinda made me think of her and not lodge lol

[pearl pawn]

Just watched Coba vs sawyer and holy that was not fun lol

[hollow ether]

Nice title ans thumbnail, finally

[bitter gate]

that's essentially what skyla solo wants to do but Sawyer trades damage for less risk

[sturdy steeple]

Way, way less risk

[bitter gate]

yeah, no pot MPR stress, + a higher stun rate

and innate vigilance so he can run other things

still haven't managed to do that solo

and I'm still trying the Rose terrakion one because fsr it's not done despite screenshot

[tender horizon]

Piercing Blows

[karmic willow]

And he probably ate it too

[karmic willow]

Easier torn clear lmfao

[hallow gull]

I hate new IOS updates

It just randomly shut down recording

[karmic willow]

Game

Gaming

[raven crane]

PLEASE.

GOD FUCKING PLEASE.

KRIS GOT BUMMED.

"You get a Field! You get a Field! You get a... Sprint!"

[karmic willow]

Sprint is nice on her

But yeah field way better smh

At least it is not tech

[raven crane]

Too busy hating the fact she didn't get Field to like the fact she got Sprint.

[hallow gull]

Ok i hate my phone

This is the 4th time

[karmic willow]

Buy new phone

Easy

[hallow gull]

I finished the Entei solo and the phone just decided to auto turn off screen recording

[karmic willow]

[raven crane]

My phone shuts down when it reaches 30%.

Bought a new one but haven't gone through the trouble of setting it up yet, and I FORGOT TO BUY A SCREEN PROTECTOR-

[hallow gull]

Meanwhile i feel stupid

Bc updating my phone

Ios update never bring anything good when got released

[chrome halo]

[bright brook]

Why dont u evade lana

[true tartan]

the balance between the furisodes

[rocky oasis]

with what gauge holy shit

[shy notch]

Omg blossom got 7

I saw her Latios and Bulu solos, she looked like she was struggling

[true tartan]

max invest gauge

[hallow gull]

https://youtu.be/tttuMigInpA?si=izBajtJwhTGoS9Rf

[true tartan]

nice, reduction

that Sandstorm DR... what's the value

[hallow gull]

Oh, 3%

[true tartan]

aight

thanks

[shy notch]

Big damage

Surprised her solos weren’t lowered yet

[tender horizon]

Oh with Coba too

[rocky oasis]

oh

oh hey

[gleaming cypress]

[rocky oasis]

Idk what to do w/ him at1/5 thi

[gleaming cypress]

the wally fans on their way to your location:

[rocky oasis]

i def gotta 3/5 him

...eventually

[gleaming cypress]

useful for fairy ST damage challenge

[rocky oasis]

iridia and vhilbert got the next 3 candys

[gleaming cypress]

his solos other than latios start at 4/5

[dawn plume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btBjujFLLy0 this guys cooking w blossom

got latias and azelf

and cobalion

and entei damn

7/14 for blossom

[raven crane]

Does not look fun.

[dawn plume]

its eve again

[raven crane]

Certainly a character I'm gonna slap on their easiest solo and call it a day, haha.

[dawn plume]

but with hypnosis i guess

[karmic willow]

sleep is my favorite mechanic

can she handle terrak though

[rocky oasis]

add a eggmon battery

[raven crane]

No thanks.

[dawn plume]

she needs 20/20 for these i think

[raven crane]

Doesn't look fun even with one.

[dawn plume]

needs that speed stat

[inner turret]

and much worse gauge

[dawn plume]

yeah i think she gets a battery

oh man

[pearl pawn]

That’s not close at all

[dawn plume]

on paper she can get terrakion...

in practice... good luck

i'm sure this person is attempting it lol

[sturdy steeple]

lots of new sleepers lately,,

[karmic willow]

Yeap

Also

Speaking of which

What team of 3 right now has the fastest kill on literally anything?

[dawn plume]

gotta be dexio on terrakion

teammates just slow him down

[karmic willow]

Really?

[quaint tartan]

It’s literally 3 or 4 clicks

[dawn plume]

https://vxtwitter.com/yuku_Amagi/status/1866475896301076827

4 clicks

[tender horizon]

Solo being the fastest clear

[dawn plume]

https://tenor.com/view/die-just-die-gif-23172530

[pearl pawn]

I love this clear it’s so funny

[karmic willow]

Lol ok

[sturdy steeple]

dexios only claim to fame

[karmic willow]

damn

max awakening even

damn

it really is 4 clicks

[quaint tartan]

This and being the best in psychic ST Dc

[pearl pawn]

Should’ve gotten strike ex smh

[dawn plume]

yeah but jacq is cooler

[pearl pawn]

Nuh uh

[sturdy steeple]

yuh huh

[river cliff]

I actually remembered who Jacq was

[tender horizon]

15M

[raven crane]

Nao a certified Dexio hater.

[sturdy steeple]

Most boring unit + character ever

[raven crane]

But.

Hear me out here.

Espeon.

[karmic willow]

He psychic

[raven crane]

https://tenor.com/view/wiggly-tail-gif-19660188

[karmic willow]

Not even psychic type can save him from Naomi

[sturdy steeple]

I love psychics and Espeon so thank goodness v Elio exists to save Espeon

[raven crane]

That is so mean.

Who's gonna save me, huh.

https://tenor.com/view/salamence-gif-9694729

[sturdy steeple]

Where's the shiny mega croissant

[karmic willow]

Zinnia?

What

You no likey zinnia?

[sturdy steeple]

Champion Brendan hurry up

[raven crane]

BP Zinnia does not give Salamence the rep it deserves.

[karmic willow]

Or nc may

Tbh

I wanna see hoenn have weirder champions

[raven crane]

I love them both, but that pair is eh.

[karmic willow]

Neo champion wallace

Again

Lmfao

Or pull a galar one

Wally
Zinnia for Episode Delta and a proper Rayquaza retrain (please) or mega Salamence
And Lisia (wallace nepotism)

It would be so fucking funny

[raven crane]

Put Mega Salamence (no representation) instead of Rayquaza and I'm liste-

On board.

[karmic willow]

Ngl i wanna see zinna and mega mence

Fuck it

Shiny even

[pearl pawn]

True

[raven crane]

It is literally what I've been advocating for Hoenn Neo Champions.

It's what I need in my veins, my second favorite character and MEEE.

https://tenor.com/view/mega-salamence-salamence-lorekeeper-zinnia-zinnia-pokemon-pokemon-oras-gif-3867213080919351118

[karmic willow]

Brendan may already got sygna suits

Like hilda and hilbert

Then again

Did not stop Red

Or Silver

Or Blue

Or Leaf

Or.... Something i am forgetting

[raven crane]

Serena.

[tender horizon]

Salamence in PMEX is doodoo

[raven crane]

THANKS FOR REMINDING ME.

[karmic willow]

So funny how AG pokemon are doodoo

[tender horizon]

NC WINONA

[raven crane]

PLEASE.

WINONA NEEDS AN ALT.

[karmic willow]

God i want that

Winona

Flannery

[raven crane]

You people are speaking my language.

[karmic willow]

And Roxanne

[tender horizon]

YES ???

[karmic willow]

My 3 hoenn gals

Pleaseeeeee

[raven crane]

Winona and Valerie (if not next year New Years.)

Please.

[karmic willow]

Roxanne got a bit lucky with that fall alt

But

Holding my hopes

Also

[karmic willow]

It is so funny how dawn got both new years alt and palentines alt

Yay

2 months of her in events

[tender horizon]

Winona need NC with Tropius and she'll debuff rebuff grass and flying to -3 with one B-Razor Leaf

[karmic willow]

Gonna get her fan title next month

Most likely

[raven crane]

Lillie in New Years and Holiday-

[karmic willow]

Already got a team of elesa dawn and mallow

[raven crane]

Elesa. <3

Where is Elesa and Therian Thundurus DeNA...

[karmic willow]

Just to clear

Or

Elesa mallow and serena

Despite her popularity

I don't actually like serena that much?

[tender horizon]

She basic

[karmic willow]

Idk i might have to look over her character again

[tender horizon]

Dont let maelmc hear this

[karmic willow]

It will grow on me eventually

[raven crane]

Her popularity is from the anime.

And just, female protagonist yadayada.

[karmic willow]

But like

Maybe it's because the fact that she is popular that i don't like her?

Idk i like to go for underrated ones for titles

Selene and sina and so on

But then again

I actually thought bc of the lack of anime that Rosa was not popular

Early masters gave me a lot of fun

The hairbuns

Peak

[raven crane]

I'd say Masters helped her popularity in making her the mascot.

So those day one players (when the game peaked) gave Rosa a bunch of new fans.

Plus people coming back around on BW/2 helped that whole quartet out.

(Yes, even Nate.)

[karmic willow]

Peak decision really

I remember not liking gacha games but

Hey

Saw Rosa immediately installed because why not

And stuck around because of her

God 2012 hit me like a truck

[lost juniper]

Arc Suit Zinnia please

[raven crane]

Holy cope.

[lost juniper]

Or Neo Champion as long as she gets the Mega Mence she deserves

[raven crane]

But you spit that shit king.

[lost juniper]

I need another alt for her

I've been dried for too long

[raven crane]

I'm so happy to have people on board with the Neo Champion Zinnia & Mega Salamence train.

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-hu-tao-cheering-hopping-jumping-for-joy-gif-17213908285876113853

[raven crane]

My last favorite alts were Ingo and Emmet Lodge Skyla, Palentines Elesa and SC Zinnia.

Need more.

[lost juniper]

SC Zinnia was a perfect alt

[rocky oasis]

i wanted arc togekiss

[raven crane]

Super fun.

[rocky oasis]

w/ cynthia

[lost juniper]

I can see Cynthia getting a seasonal with it

[rocky oasis]

can give zinnia flying arc i guess

[lost juniper]

Zinnia flying arc would be everything for me

[raven crane]

I would actually cry.

Tears of joy.

Flying is my favorite type, it was destined.

[rocky oasis]

birdspam was super fun back then

[karmic willow]

https://x.com/pkmnMusicImages/status/1875004738368073927?t=HMEcMA2Q-9HV8hiYTsak1w&s=19

Media with Pokémon music (@pkmnMusicImages) on X

Twitter · Jan 3, 2025, 2:22 AM

We just had steel

[quaint tartan]

Let him be a regular champion at least lol

[river cliff]

Me with Paulo

[shy notch]

After playing a bit with both Elio and 1/5 Holiday Lillie, I’m convinced their Primarina are blind with how much they miss their sings

[worthy horizon]

90% can be pretty bad when you need to rely on it that much

[shy notch]

Yeah

[pearl pawn]

🔥

[rocky oasis]

GOT UXIE

FUCKING FINALLY

just gotta edit

and upload

[karmic willow]

what got uxie?

[worthy horizon]

dc gladion i believe

[rocky oasis]

https://youtu.be/b8e3B5UCVtM?si=j8vd7HWcfmwfof4T

thats it i think

bc no crit buffs

hard and tedious solo

do not recommend during LG season

[rocky oasis]

i cant see gladion getting any other solos

he cant hit hard enough bc of shields and he doesnt have status

cant really brute force cobalion

coba hits suprisingly hard

[sturdy steeple]

very impressiv

[rocky oasis]

he cant kill terrak fast enough either

maybe he could if he had infinite zone but he doesnt

i guess MS is the standard dc gladion solo ls now

i dont think it can be lowered

he NEEDS 3/5 for the ones i did

and ex for zone

ok maybe raikou and uxie is possible at 20/20 of you get more mpr procs but why would you do that to youreelf

[worthy horizon]

i'm very surprised i managed to convince myself that kabu uxie was worth doing at 3/5 but i'm still working at it

but i think people are managing worse rng solos so

[rocky oasis]

gl

sounds worse than gladion

[worthy horizon]

i think the rng is the equivalent of grinding 6-7 mpr2s lol

needed to pin gear too

[rocky oasis]

the worst part of that kind of solos is how boring it is

i just listen to behind the bastard during my solos

only way to not go insane from boredom

[worthy horizon]

i think it's fun while there's any strategy left to figure out but at some point there's little to none of that and just an rng grind which feels more rewarding in dc for some reason

[kind imp]

Ye sometimes it starts to become a sunk cost fallacy

I have some that I look back and think "why did I do this" (ik why tho) especially when it isn't even a new solo

Like 2/5 NC Bede on bulu (it's just 3/5 but without any healing) whyy

[worthy horizon]

yep

[bitter gate]

Lol out of nowhere

She went from shit sleeper to 7

[rocky oasis]

i cant see her soloing cress w/ those gauge issues

cant afford to make mistakes vs cress

[blazing pagoda]

Me trying to get 2 para procs on Torn to prove SS Cyn could do that after 4 (+1 with 20 power ups) pins, 2k yellow 1* feathers and 100 2* blue wasted just to get 1 min of recognition from ppl that i will not even know and a Naomi coment (I knew that and that's why wrote that Simpsons' quote)

At least had some fun figuring the Raikou solo

[shy notch]

Funny thing about this is all of Hol Lillie’s moves hit too hard to damage control on first half of bar 3 but not hard enough to just take out the bar

[rocky oasis]

b move aint OHKOing the last bar?

[shy notch]

B move + moonblast + sync didn’t kill somehow

[hollow ether]

I save 2 B move for 3rd bar with 1/5 EXR

https://youtu.be/b5v3_0cXgpg?si=kRFMN7d-ScHG2dnn

[shy notch]

I was thinking of weakening moonblast just enough so it does under half and I can finish off with b move

[hollow ether]

Btw, still no news for NY Poppy solos?

[worthy horizon]

she's quite capable in a vacuum but my best explanation if she still doesn't have any/much is just being a less attractive pick compared to everything else running around the same time and 10/5 stuff

plus not being worth pulling at all if you don't expect to get her to 3/5 imo

i don't think she's uninteresting personally but if there's any reason she's receiving less attention it's being overshadowed prob and i wouldn't pull anyway

[bitter gate]

I think the main reason is because she's gourmet Lillie

She shares a lot of similarities with 2024 Lillie and not as much incentive to grab her

Same way Anni May wasn't that popular when there were Raihan and Skyla and Bianca existed

Why would people grab a unit that they get a pretty close f2p person of

And in some cases isn't even as good

[dense spire]

Exactly that, they could get rid of the AOE & DPS & debuffs & PMUNs

And instead make it a ST tech nuke + better zone control, maybe throw in some status for good measure

She would be an objectively worse unit but I would pull since it makes for a lot of interesting team comps

[tender horizon]

Ya and its Poppy

Not thatttt popular

[quaint tartan]

And it’s another physical steel zone setter

If it was special would have had another niche….

[bitter gate]

It's funny because she is technically superior to Lillie outside of the ramp

But no PB means Lillie might still beat her solo count

And their duration (at least for LG) is also about the same

[dawn plume]

shes so boring

steel zone is the most oversaturated zone i think

her flinch is locked to it like sc selene, unlike sc selene however her zone is limited since she doesn't have mpr

so once its gone shes cooked

[sturdy steeple]

Her b move is really good but everything else about her brings her down

[quaint tartan]

How long is the steel zone ext in her passive?

[dawn plume]

3

[raven crane]

Poppy's only flaw looks to be how her Steel Zone is compressed too early, but from how hard she hits I dunno if that'll be a major issue.

[chrome halo]

Piss snake makes us feel pissed about her kit

[bitter gate]

even then there is redundant overlap

particularly in LG where you second round of zone is probably used up before your click your sync anyway

meaning that you are playing with finite duration with long animations

[dawn plume]

banner priority chart puts the godly lg unit at the bottom again... though this time i dont reallllly blame them bc idk what raihan does outside this mode

[bitter gate]

I had nothing to do with this

[dawn plume]

arven still got snuffed

[bitter gate]

Does this assume invested or no

because if it's just 1/5 Raihan loses a lot of the good buffs

context

[dawn plume]

investment assumed

raihans buffs are dodge reliant

[chrome halo]

Both offensive and defensive buffs are locked at 3/5 💀

[dawn plume]

which is useless in... a certain mode

[raven crane]

It says "favoring 1/5."

[dawn plume]

oh yeah

[bitter gate]

Yeah so it makes sense if you're talking uninvested raihan?

with invested idts

[hallow gull]

Cant wait for someone using him in UB

[dawn plume]

he'd need another support

[bitter gate]

Well, he's already being used there

no

[chrome halo]

Rafa did a couple duo with him

[bitter gate]

with steven

lol

[hallow gull]

As a solo tank

Yeah no lol

[dawn plume]

i don't see him doing that lol

[raven crane]

I tend to trust these lists more as a general idea and less as an actual solid beat-for-beat listing.

[bitter gate]

idt anything is wrong with double support necessarily, but I guess the idea is uhh

[raven crane]

People aren't too open to the idea.

[bitter gate]

Support that doesn't need another support

[chrome halo]

One of his most important gimmicks is totally useless in UB 🚮

[bitter gate]

is better than a support that needs another one

[hallow gull]

Just para every move

[bitter gate]

everything else is important there, so it's not like you're bringing him for nthing

fwiw

[chrome halo]

Tbf most new and casual players don't really give a fuck about LG

[bitter gate]

offensive debuffs being missing is annoying tho

[raven crane]

Not really in regards to Raihan.

More in general.

I never really agree with these lists in a lot of areas.

Frankly don't think they should exist anyway but whatever.

[bitter gate]

Content polarity is at an all time high

[shy sinew]

uninvested Raihan = kinda just mid

[bitter gate]

So listing is either content/context specific

Or "community specific"

in that sense

[hallow gull]

Rn at 1/5 he can solo 5 Lg stage at least

[raven crane]

It's always gonna be up to the round table that makes these tier lists and whatever their personal views on the game are.

[chrome halo]

True, one of the reasons I don't like the popular tierlists here is that both Sonia are not Ubers

[shy sinew]

Yeah it is very hard to make the list when pairs clearly favor specific niches and just about anyone can do everything that the players who benefit from the list need to do

[raven crane]

I don't like any tier lists on this game.

None of them matter.

As there is no definitive end game.

[bitter gate]

It's supposed to be a highly individuated experience

[hallow gull]

Yeah, most of the time i don’t bother looking at those tbh

[bitter gate]

And the more comfortable you are with your experience, the less you need one

[rotund rain]

I just look at some to get some idea for what's generally considered to be the best

[bitter gate]

People are driven by different reasons for them, sometimes for guidance, but engagement and questioning is better than a visual

[rotund rain]

yea

[bitter gate]

More commonly I feel it's more affiliation and vindication

sort of

[shy sinew]

And the players who do need it generally only need to look at the top 2, maybe 3 options

[raven crane]

One player is gonna prefer the High Score Event, another is gonna prefer beating Ultimate Battles, then some guy is gonna like the Legendary Gauntlet.

No point in trying to make everyone happy and make a tier list that is meant to encompass how well something does in all of those areas when all of those areas call for vastly different things.

[bitter gate]

Even within the same context people can have different ideations regardless

[raven crane]

Mmmmmmhm.

Then there's the one guy who likes Damage Challenge and BP Barry is an S tier Support.

[bitter gate]

All the same, my best metaphor is kind of like optional expense or that side burger joint near the sidewalk.

[shy sinew]

not even anymore

[raven crane]

Hush.

You get the point.

[bitter gate]

If it serves you, go ahead. No one's forcing you to binge it

Makers themselves also get their own reasons for doing it

irrespective of the reception, I feel

I feel it's better to encourage new players for engagement than list referencing

the issue is "but effort" sometimes

[raven crane]

Quite.

Players need to be able to stand on their own two legs, or at least be able to listen to multiple people's perspectives on characters when making decisions.

Eyeballing a tier list doesn't give you any context on how something works either.

So you're missing both the fact that a character could be a hidden gem in one game mode, and also don't even know how to use them to begin with.

[bitter gate]

Unless it's provided

Even then some people don't read anyway

[shy sinew]

The problem is players who aren't ready/willing to put in the effort yet, that's the primary audience for something like the prio chart and even then there's the effort floor of "can you read" - which clearly the answer time and time again has been no

generally LG players know what they're doing and figuring out our own priorities is something we're already pretty good at

[bitter gate]

Gist becomes "can we coexist with different needs, experience levels and ideations" atm

[raven crane]

Or listen.

If these lists do exist, I think there should be a massive exaggeration on players looking at these lists only for a very loose idea.

And it should encourage players to actually seek detailed discussions or find what their priorities are and find a group that can help them there.

[bitter gate]

I think it depends.

The abundance of information and different opinions also leads to indecision.

Also, stop me if this is not the right place for this talk

Did Poppy do get any solos?

[raven crane]

Not like anyone is talking about Legendary Arena's right now.

Dead ass gamemode rip bozo.

(I jest.)

[raven crane]

No way she hasn't gotten the easy ones.

Probably got Regirock and Latias too if I were to guess.

[raven crane]

It can, but I also feel that could be the fault of the player, or the fault of the Sync Pair in question.

Like I doubt anyone is gonna be indecisive for very long on summoning for Arc Suit Steven, as an extreme example.

[bitter gate]

Oh, you've not seen the indecision on the Cynthia v Steven picks, haven't you?

[raven crane]

Sounds like a weird debate.

[bitter gate]

So the decision and questions asked are relative.

Well, it's a common question with finite gems.

"which of the three do I pick"

[raven crane]

I mean in that instance, yeah, I can see there being the debate. But also it's that point where you try to get the player to weigh what they want.

Be it the amazing abilities of either character, whatever traits fits what that person needs or wants most.

[bitter gate]

Which also varies between the person and in most cases, is not loosely defined.

"I want the strongest/more reliable". And then you're stuck in this stupid conversation on arguing which between Steven and Cynthia is more powerful.

Steven you can say is more reliable due to stuff like how cost solos and how he's not dependent on 5/5 to function, I suppose.

[raven crane]

It's a case by case basis and always will be.

'Tis the point.

[bitter gate]

Point being that outside of extremely obvious things like Cynthia > Hapu, it's very hard to provide definitive information

The best information is thus player and context specific

and as you say, case by case/lock and key

[raven crane]

Promoting people think for themselves and not rely on the community to make decisions over two gods of destruction is better for all involved.

[bitter gate]

I only see Latios now and I haven't seen other solos digging around

[raven crane]

Probably just too early still.

Double tick healing, great DPS, great defensive prowess plus flinching.

Lots of easy solos there.

[sturdy steeple]

(just one solo at 1/5 so far)

[raven crane]

Not surprised.

Or do you mean 1/5 EX included.

[bitter gate]

I feel it's not her lack of ablity so much as "do I really have a reason to pick this unless I love her/am collector"?

[sturdy steeple]

1 ex

[bitter gate]

not because she's bad but as aforementioned, not novel

[raven crane]

Yeah.

Someone'll get to her.

Always do.

I like her capabilities so I'm gonna summon for her, myself.

[bitter gate]

Also, I'm surprised Akari hasn't done Latias

though maybe I'm missing something

[raven crane]

Ceaseless Edge Accuracy.

I'm kidding, but holy crap it always misses for me.

[chrome halo]

Simply don't miss

Hope this helps

[raven crane]

That's what my wife said and then she took the Bagon's.

[chrome halo]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-gif-23674110

[raven crane]

Good question though.

Maybe just from how hard Latias hits since you can't debuff it's offenses.

Potion spam got annoying for those attempting(?)

[bitter gate]

Oh well.

I need five days for my next candy, which is when I'll reattempt Rose vs Terrakion

I've come close a few times, but I think the passive will give me the final key

[keen flint]

https://youtu.be/-2zeWd8_9Pg
I'm suprised nobody had done this yet, it was a little annoying but quick enough
Please let me know if I missed something for the sheet it's been a long time since i've done one of these

[raven crane]

Congrats!

[keen flint]

I don't think anything else is possible at this investment, I was just looking through before I commit to any potential terrible super awakening choices

[bright brook]

Nice

[true tartan]

[bitter gate]

Can Lana only do Latios

I guess a lack of reliable self healing is poor

Lodge, I mean

[bright brook]

I got close to getting bulu

[dawn plume]

huh you'd think it'd happen already

alas she is cursed by poor stats and mini potions

[true tartan]

yep

not good tools for solos

[bright brook]

I didnt even pick mini pots MPR

its not even worth it

Instead stop hitting yourself is a much more reasonable pick if we're banking on RNG

[bitter gate]

Yeah

makes esnse

[raven crane]

Just another great duo character.

Not really for solos.

I say "just" but hey free decent Support is good in my book, lol.

[bright brook]

well for LG any supp is valuable

having omni debuff and confusion and burn makes her a super duper useful unit

she'd probably have like 5-6 solos if it was potion and not mini potions tho

[true tartan]

just get the double of MPRs

[dawn plume]

https://vxtwitter.com/time0445/status/1875954264318812240

anotha one

surprised terrakion of all arenas is her 2nd solo but she does counter it nearly perfectly

her berries are so pointless she burns the 2nd zone too quickly, better off giving her a potion lol

[true tartan]

is her 3rd

Bulu was 2nd

[tender crater]

It's timed for a 3v3

But even there I don't like the setting

[dawn plume]

shes designed specifically for the nita UB

its pretty clear

not nita

uhh

dana

i forget their names lol

[tender crater]

Then again if the zone setting was more convenient other parts of her kit would be more balanced

[dawn plume]

well she got registeel

should get raikou

[lost juniper]

Regirock too probably

[tender horizon]

In the future there will be extreme battles where Berry use can remove some gimmick watch

[sturdy steeple]

some more poppy solos so far

[raven crane]

Don't forget the queens name!!

[raven crane]

Wonder if she'll get Moltres despite that cute little Fire weakness.

Could see it honestly.

[sturdy steeple]

Would need to flinch like every attack

[raven crane]

Yeh.

[sturdy steeple]

Go poppy go

[raven crane]

Seen crazier Moltres solos.

Just a matter of if anyone likes this pair enough.

[heavy sinew]

How crazier

[quaint tartan]

Well Poppy has 60% flinch

We have had 30% flinch moltres solos

[pearl pawn]

Strong start it looks like?

[pearl pawn]

Terror

[rocky oasis]

ss korrina hasnt got cobalion yet?

feels like she should be able to

volkner hasnt gotten entei either

[karmic willow]

If she had healing maybe

[rocky oasis]

fair

i feel like she could maybe get him w/ sa

[heavy sinew]

Volkner I think can, but thunder fang is so slow with those passives

didn't stop him from getting coba tho so :/

[hollow ether]

https://youtu.be/XOXvtOhod2o
Lowered to 1/5 EXR for both Raikou & Entei

Man, H Lillie is better than TL N for sleep chain

For me at least xD

[sturdy steeple]

also entei reached 200 today

[raven crane]

200 different people beat up a poor... Innocent... Defenseless puppy..

[rocky oasis]

kitty

[raven crane]

Shut it.

[rocky oasis]

entei is a lion

[raven crane]

You will be the next one with 200 solos.

[wise raven]

Meanwhile Entei in anime: https://x.com/lonely_heheh/status/1875260792985284707?s=46

Lonely (@lonely_heheh) on X

It's a tradition that Entei has to look super tough in the anime

Twitter · Jan 3, 2025, 7:19 PM

[rocky oasis]

mespirit LA when

and regice

[kind imp]

https://fxtwitter.com/lonely_heheh/status/1875260792985284707

[bright brook]

We need an ice type LA so antifreeze is relevant

[kind imp]

Funny the type with 5 weaknesses got none of them

And 2 of them were taken by a type that only has 3 weaknesses (fire and fighting; steel)

[pearl pawn]

There’s no way that Lucario isn’t dead

Entei honestly did feel that way playing HGSS as a roamer it was so neat as a little kid

[worthy horizon]

kinda accurate to colosseum entei

[shy notch]

Typical RNG-steel experience

[true tartan]

paradeath

[shy notch]

Only reason I entertained being paralyzed was since I had decent debuffs

[vital ibex]

oh baby a triple!

[karmic willow]

Somehow i am thinking

For nc cheren

He will get recharging strikes as a part of his expansion

And for anni steven it is just stat buffs

All he needs really

[shy sinew]

Anni Steven better get +150 on both

[quaint tartan]

Better get an extreme makeover pair edition

[true tartan]

i've already said many times how they can fix it

[rotund rain]

I'm expecting a Weather Buff isque passive personally

[true tartan]

no weather buff in his case

[rotund rain]

true

[raven crane]

It would be pretty on point for them to give him a weather buff related Passive just to make his design even more mind boggling.

[rotund rain]

actually, what do we call those multipliers that increases the stat of a pair (Like Bellelba's Rules of the Enchanted Land)

[dawn plume]

c marnie's mind over matter is probably the best skill of that category

if steven could get something like that... maybe

[inner turret]

Emmet's Healthy Strength 5 is technically better

Since it's 50% not 40%, but the condition is more annoying (not that it's super annoying, but being over 50% vs being lower that 100%, one of these is easier to achieve lol)

[lost juniper]

I prefer Steven getting utility. His attack is so low it's basically a lost cause for him

Give him fortitous 9 or something that he randomly raises stats (like fall shauntal but in reverse), and he can work well

[rocky oasis]

just dodge everything EZPZ

[karmic willow]

But yeah

He needs a fat +150 at first

Tech farfetch'd is one of the best for him

Cheap is one thing

Theme skill stats is another

This guy can never be alone

Give him tech PLEASE

[rocky oasis]

i wouldnt mind if they just made him way bulkier and gave him evasion or smth

[karmic willow]

Bulky is nice but eh

Sometimes

Best defense is good offense

Kill them before they kill you

Give him clear advantage

If you wanna do bulk

[shy notch]

Ugh I’m getting tilted by Registeel. Lost 4 winning runs on bar 3 due to 3 missed sync crits and 1 where I didn’t get any MGR

On top of all the RNG to get to that point

[true tartan]

Elio?

[shy notch]

Yeah

I’m considering adjusting my strategy to fully DPS down bar 3

[true tartan]

how close were you

[shy notch]

My closest was 10% bar 3

[true tartan]

damn

[shy notch]

This is basically what I’m going for. Need enough debuffs as well in case he buffs twice like he did here

[true tartan]

+1 def dang

that would've done more damage

[shy notch]

I wait to sync in case I get flinched…but it backfired here

[true tartan]

you only had 9 syncs or more?

I remember doing some scenarios with it in the past lol

[shy notch]

I think I had 10

It’s tough finding a balance between farming syncs but being able to get enough debuffs

[true tartan]

I came with this scenario back in the day

no skill gear (as much as we have now if there was) or 150 I think

so it could go lower easily

[shy notch]

I’m aiming to finish it off with a sync + 2 hits on bar 3, but it’s possible to squeeze in 3 hits

[true tartan]

I think I talked about it with quaggles now that I try to remember lol

[shy notch]

I mostly try to use sing though I do start off with a sparkling aria attempting to lower both defense and sp defense but not crit

Helps a bit while not doing too much damage with sync after the first iron defense

Getting an early crit buff is literally an instant reset

[rocky oasis]

gl

[shy notch]

Thanks I’ll need it

[rocky oasis]

sounds like a solo that needs really precise rng

[shy notch]

Precise RNG and precise timing. Elio feels difficult to sleep chain with because of the inconsistency of his passives

[shy sinew]

omg finally

[rocky oasis]

congrats

i accidentally grinded up my tech fearow a long ass time ago

still waiting for it to rerun so i can grab a new one

[heavy sinew]

Me waiting for cloyster

[kind imp]

Me with striker plume and no nidoking or pidgeot

[rocky oasis]

my cloysters are still 1 passivr

getting 3 passive eggmons is such a pain

[dawn plume]

will they ever rerun the paldea eggs...

my fuecoco still sucks...

maybe when they drop the protags lol

[chrome halo]

I still have yet to get a 3 bar sup Scyther

[median swan]

i want an egg cloyster rerun more than an ash rerun at this point tbh

[worthy horizon]

same

[river cliff]

I'm patiently waiting for a two passive support dratini to come my way

[bright brook]

so funny that cloyster egg is randomly one of the most exclusive iunit

[karmic willow]

i want tech vileplume rerun

mine is still 2 passive 😦

[rotund rain]

I still need the support Cloyster really

I remember last time it was available, I barely get any 3 passives in that egg event to begin with

[quaint tartan]

Support cloyster in need club, here I am

[graceful folio]

[brisk sapphire]

[hallow gull]

[rocky oasis]

huh 3 passive cloyster gets vigil

so you can run healthy healing on them

or dc

[median swan]

basically physical starmie

two supp eggmons more valuable in gauntlet than most genpools t b h

[rocky oasis]

only major difference is one of them gets confusion

sort of

tech cloyster is weird w/ the 50% def debuff

cloyster is decent i guess

[gleaming cypress]

speaking of supp eggmons are these worth any more investment than they currently are at

all are 3 passive since I only keep stuff with 3 passives

[worthy horizon]

wigglytuff and primeape are super valuable

[rocky oasis]

also keep a second support igglybuff btw

both have uses

[gleaming cypress]

interesting

[worthy horizon]

support butterfree is very good but tech will always get more stuff done bc sleep so it ends up being pretty impractical sadly

[chrome halo]

Why is the tech one the worst sleeper 🚮

[rocky oasis]

sometimes support jynx can be more useful than tech

only sometimes tho

[gleaming cypress]

and I just went and added supp zard, dugtrio and rat to my roster

[rocky oasis]

venu exists

[gleaming cypress]

been neglecting the lab for a bit

[worthy horizon]

yea even as one of the best supports and being the worst sleeper (venu has speed and innate troublemaker) sleep still outclasses

[chrome halo]

Oh right i forgot about its existence

[rocky oasis]

butterfree at least cant break your chain bc venu randomly decides to miss razor leaf

[gleaming cypress]

how do y’all play your eggmons, do you just duo with a cheap unit for the clear

[rocky oasis]

sometimes

[worthy horizon]

venu has a free lucky skill slot so you could always set it to ppe2, dunno if it needs anything else

[rocky oasis]

bc some solos are just miserable

So you slap a golbat or smth on

duos too

sometimes you toss a meat shield on

[chrome halo]

Yeah those are their main purposes

[rocky oasis]

or slap a speed eggmon on maxie or smth

sometimes a unit has one big glaring flaw and a eggmon is just what they need

[chrome halo]

I wonder how impactful SA is for building high streak for future LG rotations

[rocky oasis]

tech repidash is good for giving smth like alolagrims gauge

• stuff like licktung for setting up interference mults EZPZ

[pliant glen]

Honestly, probably not that impactful

[bitter gate]

it becomes more minute

I feel

and it depends on the unit's disparity

between pre-post SA

between how much you can save or not

something like Raihan, Cynthia and Giacomo get big consistency differences

[gleaming cypress]

you need to spend several (usually 5) 5* candies for that unit up from 5/5 just to unlock up to 8 solos

for F2P that's like half a year's worth if not more

for most units they only get 2-3 more solos

at 10/5

idk the specific clear details with or without SA for the units specifically but i can imagine that an eggmon would be far cheaper to slot in than that

[brisk sapphire]

I do think the 10/5 affects Sparring the most

Idk how much it affects HSE in terms of actual score range but we'll see soon

[gleaming cypress]

take a look

if you candy to 10/5 you geet 8 more solos relative to 4/5

on the other hand, some units only have 1-2 more solos relative to 3/5 when superawakened

[rocky oasis]

tbh some of the SA solos ca be done w/ a eggmon

like a support clefable

[brisk sapphire]

For it to have an effect on LG, it would be if they do the three LA that's had the most surge of solos post 10/5

[gleaming cypress]

i'd take a 5 20/20 eggmon over 5 yellow candies every day of the week

[gleaming cypress]

so something like bird, terrakion, torn, cress

nothing needs 10/5 just to beat latios except for so that won't give whales much of an advantage

[brisk sapphire]

Just the first three. Iirc Cress has never been in LG?

[gleaming cypress]

don't think so

[rotund rain]

indeed

[brisk sapphire]

But ye with that comp for instance, Rei can have an actual solo, but how many of them are actually on his situation is the question

With sparring it's easier to see

Case in point: 3v3 Electric jumped from almost(?) 6m to straight up almost 13m

[gleaming cypress]

3v1 steel jumping from 2.5m to 4.6m (10/5 poppy)

[brisk sapphire]

Dahlia is at 8.3m on 3v3 Water, pre-10/5

Then again, Dahlia might not be a good example as she ironically might just reach the cap and the score won't improve that much

So ye SS Hau and Poppy are thr best examples

[dawn plume]

superawakening def broke DC more than it broke LG

(not that we’ve even had LG since it was introduced…)

[pearl pawn]

Sob

[inner turret]

can't break something that doesnt exists

[pearl pawn]

I’m so desperate for Hs

Please bring back LG

[gleaming cypress]

i need those SP3 cookies

[quaint tartan]

And wait for hse lmao

[tender horizon]

It was good while it lasted

[dawn plume]

oh god hse was bad enough

[tender horizon]

HSE at least has a cap

[dawn plume]

true but i dont think its possible to hit cap when time trial is a condition (which it is this time)

you’d have to clear 5 1000 strength stages in under a minute which doesnt seem very likely

[tender horizon]

they hit the cap in some HSE before

i forgot which one it was

Fairy Water?

like obviously not max time score but everything else like HP

[kind imp]

Ye

[karmic willow]

https://x.com/manimanikakaka/status/1876947456224641497

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ユクシー2枠(サロンスイレン＆ランターン、主人公＆サワムラー)

・ランターンは2種のギミック解除と回避率デバフ持ってるから頑張ってサワムラーで勝とう編成 しなくていい苦労です
・混乱長引いてB技が全部急所に当たればミニキズぐすり3回で勝てるという見込みでしたが(中略)回避したからセーフ😄✌️

Twitter · Jan 8, 2025, 11:02 AM

god i miss lg

[dawn plume]

i cant unsee widepeepohappy when i see that image of lanturn

i miss smart clears like this though

[river cliff]

Hitmonlee clears are always appreciated

[dawn plume]

she really shoulda just been a tech tbh

water alola defensive support who’s lodge pair is… a water alola defensive support

[tender horizon]

HAHAHAHA WHAT NAME

[karmic willow]

does anyone know

or

have a maxed out ss silver?

does punishing strike 9 and 4 stack?

like

debuff 6 in one turn or still debuff 3

[dawn plume]

tell me you don’t see it

[tender horizon]

It shud stack

Its like double defence crush...

[river cliff]

I tested dc gladion's unfortunate strike and that stacks, so punishing strike should behave the same

[heavy sinew]

widelanturnhappy

[rocky oasis]

up to 6 debuffs a triple axel on gladion yes

[true tartan]

👀 looks at daze typing

[shy notch]

You already know what it is

[true tartan]