Legendary Gauntlet 17 (Registeel, Azelf, Cobalion)

[karmic willow]

I know NC Hop and H.erika can solo bulu

but would you go to the optimization for that? @sturdy steeple i need sum advicessss

skill gears does make h.erika much more viable

[shy gale]

What is the gauntlet this month?

[worthy horizon]

moltres/latias/bulu

[shy gale]

Oh f

Is it just me or is that info not in the datamine

[chrome halo]

@golden jacinth can you change the title to reflect the new rotation

[chrome halo]

you might have missed it

[golden jacinth]

[shy gale]

Yeah probably

[golden jacinth]

what are the 3

[worthy horizon]

it's not in the datamines channel, some other source

[quaint tartan]

Moltres latias bulu

DeNa: Got it

[golden jacinth]

Legendary Gauntlet 16 (Moltres, Latias, Tapu Bulu)

[bitter gate]

none of these stages are stressed for status

can't remember the last time we had an LG like that

lol

[median swan]

last time was when this rotation first ran haha

[kind imp]

this is lg8 x2

[bitter gate]

yeah so this is the first time we don't have to manage our paralysis or status users

[chrome halo]

this is LG8 but slightly easier

[bitter gate]

not even interference and shit lol

it feels rather liberating

[chrome halo]

thanks to new and upgraded pairs

[bitter gate]

ngl

[kind imp]

or harder

more pairs same time

[bitter gate]

also a good time to duo cook I guess

[chrome halo]

[bitter gate]

it's also gonna be more competitive

oyeah, I can also do the fucking uhh

Rose + egg kabuto duo on Moltres now

I forgot that was a thing

I tried the other day

[worthy horizon]

easier to get a higher streak than last time, for competing who knows

[bitter gate]

competing is gonna be hell tbh

id be surprised if I keep top cut

I was too busy/lazy the lsat time

[karmic willow]

oh yeah

i am gonna say that

Mallow + Marowak is gonna be used for me this time

I will not underestimate bulu again

mallow has attack debuff but it's worth it on bulu

[quaint tartan]

Is this the first time we get moltres after the egg eeveelution event?

[river cliff]

I think so?

[worthy horizon]

August 12 to September 4, 2023

last time moltres ran

[kind imp]

and latias

both last lg10

[river cliff]

I did not realize we hadn't seen Latias since we saw Moltres

[chrome halo]

time to come back to maintaining the repository

thanks for helping us maintain the sheet Lydian!

[river cliff]

Happy to help, it'll be interesting to see what gets cooked up

[karmic willow]

@chrome halo do you know where to get unit icons again?

[chrome halo]

#1142434215208702073

[lost juniper]

That reminds me I didn't upload my last LG14 runs

Yeah 14

Not 15

[stuck mantle]

Moltres 😏

This ss red ss blue ss leaf cynthia steven itc all in on 10 banner

400 scout points🤣

Wat a scam

[karmic willow]

wait holdup

actually nvm

i forgot

but

can bianca duo with something against latias (that's not ss lusamine?)

i mean

they can handle tapu bulu too

[lost juniper]

Pretty sure she can. Not sure who though

[karmic willow]

also

how hard is holiday erika solo on tapu bulu again?

because i want to do holiday erika + nc hop vs latias

it's a guaranteed clear

but it's 2 solos down the drain

[bitter gate]

isn't it highly based on how many MPR rolls you get

[karmic willow]

i mean

if you can get +6 then yeah

lol

also poor variety kris

counters the gimmick

but bar 3 eq means good bye

wait WHAT?

how come nemona can't solo latias?

bar 3 earthquake is nothing against a good tm

[stuck mantle]

Gauge heal miss

And bar 2/3

Nemona need dodge 80% moves and get alot mps

[karmic willow]

gauge?

nemona has gauge problems?

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/28900/92300?s=5&l=150&r=6&p=0&a=21010101&g=AAECAwQFBgcLFRcaGx4hNDU

i will do this if i have time

[stuck mantle]

Spam tunder punch non stop

Try it

No gauge you have

When he is flinched you spam spam

And it end

This maybe if get luck whit gauge refils

And miss and mprs

Plus need get para luck

[quaint tartan]

Who gets ex on pomaday?

[thick dawn]

Oak

the professor himself

[karmic willow]

yeah i was thinking this

but

guaranteed paralyze helps early on

[sharp lichen]

Bro we are so cooked this LG. Moltres and Latias?

[lilac wave]

I wonder if there has been more autos since that Cyn/Bea/Steven team

[karmic willow]

hmmm

is victor solo better than him duoing anywhere else?

[quaint tartan]

After all these years… finally!

[karmic willow]

is

Lodge Elesa and Lodge Lillie overkill on latias?

[lost juniper]

If neither are EX, no

[sour isle]

Latias and Moltres
Who asked ffoor this? 😦

[cursive briar]

Hmm, dc Gladion and Hugh are basically +2 wins against Latias right?

[chrome halo]

They are good Latias check

Gladion wants offensive buffing tho

[worthy horizon]

they help but no they're not "basically" that

never take latias for granted

[mint osprey]

I suppose SS Lyra go to moltres especially if caked

[sour isle]

welp letsee if i can go max here 😮

[lost juniper]

Yeah if caked just send her to Moltres, otherwise using her on Latias is fine

[mint osprey]

The good about DC pairs is that most of them have debuffs so that helps versus Latias, I suppose?

[bitter gate]

For the most part, yes

[worthy horizon]

ye they can weaken fluid fortification

latias without fluid fortification is still a threat

[bitter gate]

Some also have distinct matchups, but I'd say Marnie is the least useful of the five this batch

[lost juniper]

She needs better support but two debuffs are great for Latias

[bitter gate]

Don't all of them have at least two though

[lost juniper]

I think Nemona only have 1?

Like she only debuffs attack iirc

[median swan]

if you're talking about dc nemona she has armor leech

[rocky oasis]

huh the new blue should be able to do some solos

[lost juniper]

Oh I see. Then she goes to Latias

Rock zone is not enough when she can't buff herself on Moltres

[rocky oasis]

regen on TM and ok stats has to be good for something

[lost juniper]

Tornadus

[rocky oasis]

spatk debuffs are gonna be useful too

[bitter gate]

I still need to grab Gladion

but i can't invest in any of these so they're all going to duo town

Hopefully I also 20/20 all my ghosts by then and the flexing can start

[rocky oasis]

im missing nemona and marnie rn

should have all of trhem before LG ends at least

[bitter gate]

am missing gladion + marnie

DC really punished my pulling habits overall because I never get any broken strikes, lawl

[lost juniper]

I ain't gonna 5/5 EX+10E on Gladion for the solo

[bitter gate]

btw @lost juniper DM actually

[lost juniper]

wdym

[bitter gate]

I sent you a DM, wanted to ask ya something

[worthy horizon]

ehhhh this is a mess

and you'll still have gauge issues

[bitter gate]

Oh, it's out already?

huh.

[worthy horizon]

no defense buffs

fast track needed

oh nita/bertha/ingo autoed moltres while i wasn't looking

[bitter gate]

Which nita

3/5?

[worthy horizon]

3/5 all

second time in a row

tried a bunch of stuff with cynthia/bertha but nothing stuck so i just swapped her out

[errant plume]

Can you record/upload it for the auto doc ?

[worthy horizon]

aight

[stuck mantle]

Ingo bertha can solo it

I did ingo long time ago it

[hallow gull]

It is for Auto

[worthy horizon]

yeah i did the ingo solo back when i didn't know what i was getting into and it took over a week lmao

uploading btw i got the recording on the attempt after

[heavy sinew]

3/5 Nita?

[worthy horizon]

yes

[heavy sinew]

Awesome

Best to ever do it

[worthy horizon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4h_k8ncbSI

grids at the end

[errant plume]

Nice, now Arzen can add it to the doc, thank you

[pliant glen]

That was a fun chat to read through

I didn't even take in that Iono is just in Lodge without a scout for her

At least Irida had 10 days to be obtained when she was added

[gleaming cypress]

I want to go spreadsheeting but I’m still too new to figure out what works and what doesn’t

guess it’ll be pure vibes for this one

[pliant glen]

There's dozens and dozens of past Gauntlets to take from

Hell I swear we had this rotation before

[gleaming cypress]

don’t want to waste hours on a promising team that just doesn’t work without an extra move level

or something like that

[heavy sinew]

added!

now i gotta get to the rest of the backlog

[tender horizon]

Taking a 7 hour train this Friday so i can plan my LG

[heavy sinew]

i know how that feels

grrr planning

[heavy sinew]

we did! lg8 was the same rotatio

n

[pliant glen]

That was back when I was super hardcore about Gauntlet

Back when it was still the meta effectively

It was the best of the times, it was the worst of times

[lost juniper]

It still is kinda

DC is just new and shiny but it's permanents so there's no rush technically

[pliant glen]

Ultimate Battles and Rally are more cause for concern these days

[worthy horizon]

yea dc is fun for now but it's gonna stale so much harder than gauntlet ever could

[pliant glen]

I never mentioned DC that's just going to become brainless like Region Daily

[gleaming cypress]

not if you want to level up the DC units in any efficient manner

[pliant glen]

Me and Quaggles will once again be competing over Alola solos

[gleaming cypress]

if you don’t have master fairs for that type you’re looking at 300k per week typically

f2p options need good partners which you again might not have

so you do have to plan

[pliant glen]

I mean my "Flying" type did better than my Flying type Master Fair

[worthy horizon]

ehhh i consider myself f2p and i've still never had to go that low

[pliant glen]

She was a year ago btw, also that means it's almost been a year since the Gauntlets started to end before the next datamine which hurts my soul

Something nickel alt. name protags

[lost juniper]

Rally is pretty standard to me

I get like 9k casually now

[gleaming cypress]

same

[pliant glen]

I think Rally affects your pulls

[lost juniper]

So eventually that would happen to everyone

[pliant glen]

Which is what Gauntlet used to do

[gleaming cypress]

well not the 9k part no

I get more like 7k

[lost juniper]

7k is enough to get vouchers

[gleaming cypress]

but it’s generally a breeze

[pliant glen]

Look back on units like FAllister and Ball Guy who were the solo units of their time

[gleaming cypress]

if ur f2p u can spam powerups jellies stuff like that

not in dc or gauntlet

[worthy horizon]

i thought last rally was bad for me but going through my screenshots i realized that that still turned out to be 8900, still mighta been one of my lowest recent ones

[pliant glen]

People pulled for solos, now they pull a unit for more reasons I feel (or just favouritism as always)

[gleaming cypress]

really

[pliant glen]

Yeah people were like convinced to pull certain units because of their number of solos

Kind of feel like Jacq ruined that because he's not super noteworthy lmao

[worthy horizon]

ss lysandre still pulling 0 solos but i think he's great

[bitter gate]

well, as content polarity becomes bigger people are driven to pull for all kinds of content, not just one or the other

[worthy horizon]

doesn't even need to change

[bitter gate]

be it HS, DC, LG, and the works

DC mostly rewards the "I want the most broken x unit of each type crowd"

And punishes people like me who doesn't play on-type or pulls for offensive units often kek

[rigid hill]

Latias/moltres seem alot easier nowadays with how many stat reduction and weather units we have

[bitter gate]

I'm wondering if I can cheapen my Lisia duo against Latias

so far I've always used Sabrina, but a cheaper option should be possible

[karmic willow]

Okay but what if they are?

I ex'd elesa long ago

And lillie since 12 cuz tornadus

[lost juniper]

Then idk

[loud shell]

Why Moltres why

[mint osprey]

Problem with DC pairs - Are you willing to spend candies on them or just focus on one to 3/5 before moving on to another?

Then again, we should have enough for 4 pairs right now

Speaking of Lisia, OG Wallace gets a 50% sync multiplier off PB. Not sure if that's worth anything

[karmic willow]

Nemona i did

[chrome halo]

His PB is a middle finger to us

[mint osprey]

Not even +3 Crit smh

[river cliff]

He's almost good

If this were what he had as his starting point he might've actually gotten there

[quaint tartan]

Wallace deserved better

[bitter gate]

This isn't as easy as one would think

lol

Though egg on my face if there's a cheaper method

[heavy sinew]

huh

Oh the toxic unfortuitous tile

[bitter gate]

don't try this at home kids

[heavy sinew]

Brycen gaming

[bitter gate]

latias becomes pretty easy

when you're less stressed

for combos

most people would probably do the egg sylveon duo against bulu

but I think this is better

[heavy sinew]

now should I do the NC red solo on latias

go through hell again

[karmic willow]

imma save olivia for bp sycamore

he sucks

[bitter gate]

against what, Bulu?

what a waste tbh

[karmic willow]

just dump glacion in

[karmic willow]

how do you suggest using lodge sycamore then?

[bitter gate]

didn't I use wikstrom

lol

[karmic willow]

what a waste tbh

[bitter gate]

I literally did it the last time Bulu was a thing and it was a cheap duo

[karmic willow]

I use gardenia

lol

[bitter gate]

I mean, either works

[karmic willow]

unless you are telling me to use Gardenia

on MOLTRESS

[bitter gate]

for bulu

[karmic willow]

i guess that works considering a lot

but

hmmm

food for thought

sunny disposition

pretty good under sun ngl

[bitter gate]

...wut

[karmic willow]

gardenia vs moltress needs something

[bitter gate]

i mean what are you bringing to buff her spa then

[karmic willow]

i don't know that's what i'm trying to figure out lol

[bitter gate]

not a lot of realistic duo partners you can play with that don't involve her getting burned to a crisp

just use Gardenia with a weaker meatshield

against bulu

pretty sure it'll be further optimized anyway

[karmic willow]

gardenia wilkstrom bulu is peak

[bitter gate]

and wikstrom will be used in something else

[karmic willow]

[bitter gate]

namely moltres for flinches

[karmic willow]

yeah it's

definitely a thing alright

but hey imma take a weakass sycamore on bulu any day of the week

also

already planned a trio on latias

truly a arcanite blue moment

[bitter gate]

wouldn't be surprised if sycamore is further refined somehow anyway

the duo emerged when people weren't sure what to do with their leftover scraps

and depending on whether he's EXEd cheaper duos can emerge also

[karmic willow]

he still needs a good chunk of defense to live though bar1

i tested that comp a lot

in any case

probably Evelyn

but we all know how good she is under sun

hell, is evelyn and ss red a thing under sun?

[bitter gate]

doesn't matter how good she is under sun

[karmic willow]

i need someone to confirm it before i use ss morty again

[bitter gate]

when she just explodes

if you get synced

[karmic willow]

oh yeah that

i hate how

piercing blows kinda suck this time

but that won't stop me from shoving victor to bulu

[heavy sinew]

Yeah PB isn't THAT good this time around cause of latias buffs

It can still work but not as well

[bitter gate]

latias buffs?

[karmic willow]

if you can hit it

then screw fluid fortification?

i forgot the interaction

[heavy sinew]

Slippery slope still sucks

[river cliff]

Gotta love when statusing isn't a counter to any gimmicks. Time for janky support eggmons like Electrode to shine I guess

[karmic willow]

also

brendan

BRENDAN?

on bulu or moltress?

i mean bulu allows you to go cheap

[river cliff]

Probably Bulu since going cheap where we can is going to be more important this time around

Is Oak worth EXing?

[sturdy steeple]

For LG not really actually

His best comps use a synchro healer lol

But it's still awesome he got ex finally

[river cliff]

I might give it to him at some point just for an excuse to 20/20 him, the extra stats seem like they'd help him a ton

[sturdy steeple]

He does indeed love the stats

[heavy sinew]

Wait I thought new Oak got EC

EX

And the OG didn't

[bitter gate]

both of them do

[heavy sinew]

Oh wow

[river cliff]

Only og does

[heavy sinew]

Must've misread

[river cliff]

It was incorrect initially, then clarified

[sturdy steeple]

He busted out the pink

[heavy sinew]

Manliest color for a reason

[chrome halo]

I like pink but I'm not gay

[river cliff]

The man threw some reds in with his whites

[heavy sinew]

found out I finally got a tech Aerodactyl

but it's 2 passive

[gleaming cypress]

i wonder if i will be able to make use of 3 passive tech kang

supposedly a ""top 10"" eggmon

i mean it's better relative to other techs for sure

but it also seems somewhat rng based

leer is based tho

[heavy sinew]

flinchers default to Moltres

For brute force teams

[gleaming cypress]

everything that can remove sun goes to moltres tbh

i find myself a bit lacking in good weather setters but we'll see

[dawn plume]

uh sorry dont u mean s move team hp recovery m user

[chrome halo]

[dawn plume]

ok my sync orbs didnt cap phew

who is good to overcap for this lineup

i gave ss kris +6 cuz i know thats helpful for moltres

[heavy sinew]

Dena why must you hurt us with this change

[sturdy steeple]

i was waiting for someone to say this and i am disappointed all the same

[river cliff]

Jasmine wouldn't be bad for a Bulu solo

[dawn plume]

hmm would this make latias easier

[heavy sinew]

Doesn't she get clearheaded

[dawn plume]

on bar 2

[kind imp]

In bar 2 and 3 yes

[dawn plume]

idk what the hardest part of that solo is

if its bar 1 then this might work

[full pond]

Drive Updated

[dawn plume]

pretty in pink

[heavy sinew]

Ty sages

primal hbox

[dawn plume]

the tail is screaming

ss nemona before florian and juliana is kind of funny in retrospect

[sturdy steeple]

yayayay thankyu

[dawn plume]

another 3 week gauntlet

im starting a new job in the middle of it im COOKED

[quaint tartan]

Congrats!!

[dawn plume]

thank u

[bitter gate]

congrats

whats the job

[dawn plume]

teacher

8 DAYS????????

[chrome halo]

[chrome halo]

Peak of bait fr

[dawn plume]

hop is 7 days bede is 6 days

what in the world

[sturdy steeple]

commit or die

[bitter gate]

I'm pretty sure

[chrome halo]

August is surely a weird month

[bitter gate]

that's not correct

check abs' pastebin instead

[heavy sinew]

Congrats on the new job

[bitter gate]

ooo, what subject

[chrome halo]

What does it say

[heavy sinew]

it's after LG I'm so cooked

[dawn plume]

absol says the same

28-08-2024

most evil bait ever

[sturdy steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/tekken-heihachi-hilarious-laugh-gif-23621782

[void aspen]

Wow that’s horrible

How does this trio for LG compare to the last?

[river cliff]

Even moreso if they leave before the datamine

Pretty comparable in terms of difficulty

Not having to juggle between two stages that spam rock and ground moves is nice. I personally prefer this lg

[dawn plume]

https://x.com/absolutelypm/status/1817836725491958254

👁️‍🗨️ Absol-utely 🔍 (@absolutelypm) on X

@KatrinaSForest Only Start correct. The time end is the end time of the image.
The correct here
Start: 18-08-2024 06:00:00
End: 17-09-2024 06:00:00

Twitter · Jul 29, 2024, 8:17 AM

ok apparently its fake news

idk we'll see

he has the option to edit it and he hasnt...

[chrome halo]

I can't open twitter which event is he talking about

[kind imp]

The galar trio

[chrome halo]

[kind imp]

He's correcting that they'll stay for month

Not just a week

[chrome halo]

I see, that's a good news

I know many people waiting for their rerun and get ultra salty when they first saw the dates

[shy sinew]

it’s me, I am people

[dawn plume]

elio has no crit???

bruh

in 2024

[chrome halo]

He has Team Sharp Entry 1...

at 3/5

[sharp lichen]

he cant raise team defense either

[chrome halo]

I don't like how both Elio and Selene want to be together to unlock full potential

And both want expensive investments

[tender crater]

Elio is generally a great rock support

doesn't mandate Selene

but she does want him

[sharp lichen]

fr like 5/5 is needed for extension on both pairs

[chrome halo]

Yeah yo are right

Both of you

[tender crater]

I see Elio as a better Rika

[dawn plume]

nahhhhh

rika buffs whole team defenses

and crit

[tender crater]

Crit buffing is whatever

everyone does it

except old pairs in LG setting

[dawn plume]

elio has the same problem as grusha with setting zone but no field exr

[sharp lichen]

soloing some arenas would be easier with max crit

though his damage is kinda low

[quaint tartan]

Elio is expensive af btw

[sharp lichen]

yeah

[quaint tartan]

He’s a completely different unit at 5/5

[tender crater]

I mean so is Rika for her solos

if you are comparing them

[quaint tartan]

But cannot afford 5/5 units before data

[tender crater]

and basically every pf support released lately

[sharp lichen]

theres like 8 different supports nowadays who want 5/5 instead of 3/5 now

[dawn plume]

zone extension at 4/5 and circle extension at 5/5 is just cruel

[sharp lichen]

i am broke on candies 😭

[full pond]

this month was made for Bill gates or something wtf

what's the cookie for this LG?

pls don't tell me Revenge Boost

[sturdy steeple]

mfw 5/5 for vigilance and extension for elio 😭

[dawn plume]

i cant find what the guaranteed cookie is

[full pond]

Guaranteed Lucky Cookie 4 x1

[full pond]

https://pastebin.com/CHHh7mNi

[shy sinew]

4 is which one again?

[full pond]

revenge boost

[shy sinew]

ew gross

[river cliff]

My new favorite

[full pond]

can we just get cookie selects 🫠

[river cliff]

Give me all the entry skills

[gleaming cypress]

revenge boost 💀

man

[dawn plume]

I WANT SPEEDY ENTRY 2 GUARANTEED COOKIE RAAAAAAAAAA

[gleaming cypress]

what are your goals for this LG

30 clears this time would be generous

[vagrant crypt]

100w.

[dawn plume]

lg8 i got 112

this is the same i have more units but way less time

i was also pulling some NASTY moltres teams like this though

(DO NOT DO THIS)

[kind imp]

they've been repeating the lg cookies in the same order
there's 12 guaranted cookies for each of the 12 3* deluxe skills, so our last new cookie was in lg12

so unless they suddently change this

lg 1, 13 Head Start 1
lg 2, 14 Status Immunity
lg 3, 15 *Super Powered 3
lg 4, 16 Revenge Boost 4
lg 5, 17 Healthy Healing
lg 6, 18 Supreme Entry
lg 7, 19 Adrenaline 1
lg 8, 20 Vigilance
lg 9, 21 Weathered Warrior 3
lg 10, 22 Move Gauge Refresh 2
lg 11, 23 Interference Immunity
lg 12, 24 Critical Strike 2

[gleaming cypress]

2 status immunities??

[kind imp]

fixed

[shy sinew]

get back to 2500 with a healthy stockpile of deluxes for me, then in the last 3-4 days jam like 80 clears or so

[gleaming cypress]

people are gonna shove their deluxes into SP3 for the DC

so i can see more autofarming than last time

[shy sinew]

I need to start on my auto teams for when I’m farming in the evening…

[dawn plume]

does he solo moltres

with bite ft9 he can flinch chain

he needs flameproof obv

[shy sinew]

oh no he might solo Moltres

[heavy sinew]

Oh snap he will solo moltres

[dawn plume]

mucho healing

[sturdy steeple]

hes got so many tiles oh my goodness

[shy sinew]

I’m worried his healing won’t last long enough though

[heavy sinew]

It probably can

[sturdy steeple]

it def should as long as you just get your flinches in

10% every jaw lock is quirky

[dawn plume]

his b move consuming a berry kinda sucks but yeah 10% every jaw lock and regen on tm with mpr should suffice

[sturdy steeple]

its ok you dont really need the berries

you get DR when hes got no berries anyways

[gleaming cypress]

no sun removal tho

[dawn plume]

i wonder how much the DR is

yeah he cant remove sun he'll just have to flinchlock

[gleaming cypress]

what does moltres get from sun again

[kind imp]

burn

[dawn plume]

and he needs flameproof ls

[gleaming cypress]

does the bird get unflappable

[kind imp]

a lot of dmg, impervious, sure hit, status immunity, healing sun

[dawn plume]

moltres never becomes flinch immune

[gleaming cypress]

no vigilance

hmm

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[sturdy steeple]

a moltres solo is guaranteed

[dawn plume]

moltres is actually the only LA that doesnt have crit buffs or sure crit

which is wild considering how hated it is

so you can skip vigilance

[gleaming cypress]

great optimism for him indeed

cool

[dawn plume]

nat crits can still happen though

lol

[sturdy steeple]

also u def dont need tm mpr so you can do it without extra energy

[dawn plume]

hmmmmmm

[shy sinew]

and his theme is fire so now I have reason to pull 3/5

[sturdy steeple]

166 base attack 😭 goodness me

[stuck mantle]

Lol selene didnt pull moltres

Have zone speed flinch and heal

[heavy sinew]

wtf

[dawn plume]

sc selene got moltres

[heavy sinew]

I thought he would have more

[stuck mantle]

Sc have perma flinch

[river cliff]

I wonder if Arven will join the 14 club

[dawn plume]

oh you meant variety

arven has no shot vs tornadus

[stuck mantle]

Variety is way better then arven

[heavy sinew]

Dies to hurricane

[river cliff]

Get lucky sp def buffs?

[dawn plume]

wait hes goated.....

[shy sinew]

variety Selene has less healing but makes up for it with an actual damage output

[stuck mantle]

She have zone heal

Perma

Plus moon

[dawn plume]

selene also cant buff her physical def while arven can

arvens gauge should also be better

[stuck mantle]

But she deal damage

Selene gauge is good on zone no issue

Issue is if you dont flinch him

[river cliff]

Infinite healing is pretty darn good

[stuck mantle]

He fast shoot you down

[dawn plume]

i think the biggest difference is that arven can run flameproof

selene needs fast track

[stuck mantle]

Diffrence is arven have heal from b move

Mean he cant flinch then

[sturdy steeple]

thats only because of lucky skill conflicts

if she could run both fast track and flameproof it would be shrimple

[river cliff]

You might be able to alternate b move and bite

[sturdy steeple]

you very much can due to arven having a 100% proc passive

[stuck mantle]

Hard tell if you can switch bite b move

And he dont hit you then

[shy sinew]

once you burn your berries then yeah you can

[dawn plume]

he'll have to take 1 hit at the start of bars 2 and 3 to set up the restrain i think

but he's bulky enough

[stuck mantle]

He dont have damage

So hard tell

[sturdy steeple]

he will be fine jaw lock has like 160 BP

[dawn plume]

neither did elaine

[stuck mantle]

Elaine perma flinch and heal insta🤣

[sturdy steeple]

elaine does not have guaranteed perma flinch

arven also has both flinch and great healing

[river cliff]

And also has to alternate to heal

[shy sinew]

Elaine’s flinch chance is only a little bit better than Arven’s is

[sturdy steeple]

it is so obvious he will solo lol

[stuck mantle]

We test him

[river cliff]

I just want to see if he can get torn

[stuck mantle]

He physical ?

[river cliff]

Yup

[stuck mantle]

So bar 1?

[sturdy steeple]

arven?

[stuck mantle]

Yes

[sturdy steeple]

unlikely

[stuck mantle]

Huricanes on rain

[river cliff]

Flying guard + lucky sp def buffs maybe?

[shy sinew]

no way he outheals hurricane in rain

[river cliff]

Also the b move animation eating up rain time could help

[stuck mantle]

Dont see him pass bar 1

[sturdy steeple]

he would need like def crush and amazing flying DR skill gear just to have a chance

[stuck mantle]

He deal bar 1 no damage

[sharp lichen]

even if he could get passed bar 1, bar 3 would be awful

[shy sinew]

extra no damage on top of his already no damage

[stuck mantle]

Yes his pass bar 1 need skill gear for attack and def

Both 45%😁

[lost juniper]

I don't think anyone in this month is worth my gems

Aside from maybe Nemona since I am a master fair collector

[stuck mantle]

I got selene and arven 5/5

Then rest 1 copy

Nemona is like gladion

[lost juniper]

I'll get Nemona for her theme

That decisive theme is so good

[river cliff]

I am also pulling her for master fair collection purposes. I'm just afraid that they'll have three more master fairs on top of her next month

[blissful rose]

Just wait a bit until Anni I guess, that's what I am doing in case 4 new MF in such a short period of time.

[rotund rain]

I'm just waiting it out by doing dailies, I guess

[dawn plume]

arven for me

might get marnie if the anni pairs dont entice me or i get lucky

[lost juniper]

Yeah I'm gonna do dailies until then

But considering I'm not pulling anyone else I hope I'll be fine

[rotund rain]

I'm still debating which units I want to go for

at least from the older units there's only 1 I don't have

[river cliff]

How is Guzma's Bulu solo?

[lost juniper]

Bad probably

[true tartan]

not funny

[heavy sinew]

pain

[lost juniper]

How do I use the scripts from Sage's sheet from last gauntlet without overwriting them? Like I want to use their updated list now but I also would rather continue using the scripts from before

[rigid hill]

Circle mpr exists though so the 5th is unnecessary

[pearl beacon]

It is sadly

[worthy horizon]

yep 3 things about moltres, no sure crits, no damage reduction, and no flinch immunity

everything else is very oppressive

flameproof is the most common ls for it, unbending is massive too

should you need to be fighting under sun

[loud shell]

where is greta best used bulu or latias?

[lost juniper]

Depends on move level

[loud shell]

3/5

non ex role

[inner turret]

Latias

[worthy horizon]

aaa still no 3 passive tech farfetch'd

third one being aggravation

[inner turret]

Rip

[worthy horizon]

refusing to rain dance for the last half bar (auto)

[heavy sinew]

ai being silly

[worthy horizon]

could definitely be walling a whole lot of auto attempts

[hallow gull]

Kris: Who need Rain Dance to beat this 🐔

[inner turret]

To people who usually just click optimize
Good luck because optimize doesnt know about needing to remove the Sun on Moltres lol

[kind imp]

i mean depending on the roster that'l still work for 10 wins

[inner turret]

I guess

[lost juniper]

Would using SS Morty with SS Red be overkill on Moltres?

Cause EX R Morty is broken

[heavy sinew]

I was thinking the same tbh

[sturdy steeple]

morty will always be broken its moreabout the shitty damage dealer youre gonna be using alongside him

[rocky oasis]

lol flint

[sturdy steeple]

ok not that shitty

for moltres at least

[river cliff]

Who'd be better? Flint?

[true tartan]

strike eggmon

[worthy horizon]

i don't think flint would be better than flint no

might be controversial

[river cliff]

Lol I love when some messages don't load

[worthy horizon]

yeah i was confused

[lost juniper]

I guess Flint could work

[river cliff]

Something between the two would probably event blue or something but he's likely better for Latias

[worthy horizon]

overwhelm is the only good thing about that so i'd put him to latias

[sturdy steeple]

the classic eblue scjasmine combo

[river cliff]

Any eggmons better than Flint?

[heavy sinew]

magmorta- nvm doesn't exist

[rocky oasis]

latest discord update has been shit

everything is loading later than before

it takes like 5 seconds to send a image now and sometimes theres a significant delay in seeing a message go up

[pearl beacon]

Oof

This turn is truly bad for auto farming

[worthy horizon]

yea i think it's auto seeing brine gets the damage bonus and ignoring rain in favor of that

but in general it's very hard to get weather up early

or minimizing sun turns

[pearl beacon]

If they don't change stages, next will be Entei Azelf Cobalion
AI is quite ok with those bcs it will always pripritize status and interferences

But moltres

[river cliff]

Morty + Flint doesn't seem terrible

Provided that you have decent potion luck

[tiny hedge]

Oh no... it happened...

My phone jumpscared me idek the other two arenas...

[worthy horizon]

latias bulu

[rocky oasis]

bulu is thankfully easier than uxie

[worthy horizon]

the saving grace

easiest one besides latios which is a little redundant to put with latias

[shy sinew]

bulu fortunately the one la I prepped an auto team for while I'm working

[worthy horizon]

at least i got 1 moltres team bc it's not looking very good for anything else

though i'm working on having an anni steven team that i can use

[worthy horizon]

got this to work once

[rocky oasis]

1/5 exr rika + iris clears latias w/ some rng

probably as terrible as you can get

[young forge]

When is LG16?

[shy sinew]

starts on the 5th

[river cliff]

I wonder how cheap ss hilbert can go on Latias with his exr

[rocky oasis]

iirc he only gets spdef debuffs

the other debuffing passives dont seem to activate if he isnt super effective?

[worthy horizon]

yep

[river cliff]

He has sp atk debuffs too

With bug daunt

[worthy horizon]

ok yea that

[lost juniper]

He actually does well against her but he needs someone to tank

[rocky oasis]

huh interesting

mine is stuck at 1/5 unfortunately

i wanna candy him but ss korrina ate all of mine

[river cliff]

I think support venomoth might be his best partner

[worthy horizon]

i was thinking making an eggmon work would be possible but that still seems quite a bit underpowered

you can always try it tho

[river cliff]

I've made it to bar 3, I think with specific routing it might be possible

[lost juniper]

Given I have no intention of soloing Moltres with NC Blue, who I should use with him?

[karmic willow]

@sturdy steeple have u started planning yet?

[sturdy steeple]

yes

[karmic willow]

coool

can i take a peek

[sturdy steeple]

its basically just all the old runs of mine i think are good

no actual new teams

[karmic willow]

looking back at your lg10

so many questions of

"man do i flinch or debuff"

like Anni Skyla for example

she's a real wild card this time

@sturdy steeple lana solo bulu or play around with latias with a duo?

i feel like

she's THIS close to winning

[tight rivet]

sooo does greta sleep chain like ss cyrus does with her stat raising passive

[sturdy steeple]

Probably moltes

[worthy horizon]

ye group fire guard is really nice plus she has unbending/stalwart

[karmic willow]

i swear

i will soon return to the

"i don't have enough bulu teams" complaint

tldr : latias takes the cake this time on easy teams

for now

@sturdy steeple okay so

I'm having trouble

Lodge Skyla + Lisia and Kiawe are 2 bulu clears

But kiawe can also go with lisia on Latias

hard to think...

@chrome halo how cheap can you go forlodge sycamore on bulu?

[chrome halo]

seeing Citrine clearing Moltres with multiple 40% flinch reliant comps makes me nervous

[chrome halo]

use the repository doc to find out

i know you are opening the sheet

[karmic willow]

yeah but

still

i only see bp olivia

but she's so good on latias

😦

[karmic willow]

i swear to god

this WILL happen again like lg14

[lost juniper]

Haha we always underestimate Bulu

[karmic willow]

it's like latios again

so many win conditions are not "clear"

[lost juniper]

But it's more justified here since Latias and Moltres are bad

[karmic willow]

like yeah Masked Royale has a GREAT matchup vs latias

but he duos or even solos bulu

[sturdy steeple]

thats the struggle of having polar opposite difficulty of bosses

[lost juniper]

Time to do Nate solo again

[worthy horizon]

prob want to save some of the attack debuffers for bulu

[lost juniper]

Though it wasn't too bad with EX

[karmic willow]

i will never do that

EVER

[tight rivet]

greta 3/5 can shit on bulu right

[lost juniper]

That's what I once said but look at me now

[tight rivet]

or does greta not have bulk for bulu

[lost juniper]

1/5 is enough

[tight rivet]

oh?

wait you just sleep chain lol

[worthy horizon]

nate 😩

[lost juniper]

https://youtu.be/TXY1zh6AhsI?si=ocnQWZdzGS1J7JZi

I'd probably EX her though for stats

[tight rivet]

oh its 0/20?

[lost juniper]

Yup

[tight rivet]

wow

[lost juniper]

It might even be easier than the Latios solo tbh

[tight rivet]

does ex allow you to forgo her exclusive cookie

[chrome halo]

her lucky slot is flexible

[karmic willow]

alright

real talks

zinnia and winona

a third for moltress

or do duo bulu

like MANNNN a lot of pairs are just

so good at that

[lost juniper]

Zinnia to Bulu

She ain't surviving long enough on Moltres

[karmic willow]

so zinnia winona bulu?

or

anyone can point me to another less painful clear

[chrome halo]

or a tank + tech Ninetales + Zinnia

Winona is too useful to use on Bulu

[lost juniper]

Yeah, but Zinnia is bad on Moltres

[karmic willow]

honestly

Flannery

[lost juniper]

That could actually work

[chrome halo]

yup, but you can move sun setters to Bulu

[lost juniper]

That's true

[karmic willow]

nah she'd die

[lost juniper]

Unless they're SS Morty

[chrome halo]

i wanted to say sup Fuecoco but the tech one has flinch

[lost juniper]

30% though

But that might work for Bulu

[chrome halo]

if Citrine could play around with 40%, that means 30% will work, right?

[karmic willow]

how hard is

ny dawn solo?

on latias?

[chrome halo]

i;m adding their clears to the doc and these clears are impressive

[karmic willow]

because i am really okay with adding an eggmon just to "be done with it"

same with sup dragonite (poor guy got left out last lg)

[tight rivet]

probably awful cuz ny dawn has 0 special atk or crit buffs ans has to completely rely on stat leeching

[karmic willow]

yeah screw that i ain't doing

[lost juniper]

I once used a 10% flincher on Bulu

[karmic willow]

none of it

[karmic willow]

me with tech arcanite + leon

[lost juniper]

Yeah that

[river cliff]

Best comp

[lost juniper]

It was annoying

But I'll probably repeat it

[river cliff]

Though with exr on Leon I am sort of thinking about trying his solo

[lost juniper]

Mine is 1/5

No solo

[river cliff]

And then will probably give up after 10 or so tries

3 exr (thanks Uxie) but even with that the solo doesn't look fun

[tight rivet]

can 3/5 greta do anything besides bulu next gauntlet

moltres is lol cuz its moltres but maybe latias if you mald rng enough?

[river cliff]

You might be able to duo moltres with a weather eggmon

[tight rivet]

punishing strike and cookie should be enough debuffs right (after the 2 b moves)

problem is how would i deal with sides

[lost juniper]

You could try using her on Latias

But the solo was with EX R

[tight rivet]

for bulk?

or extra terrain

[lost juniper]

Terrain probably

But idk

[karmic willow]

@sturdy steeple now the fun question is

leaf duo moltress

or solo latias :/

[sturdy steeple]

latias

no reason to use her vs moltres

[karmic willow]

i mean....

[sturdy steeple]

wait

youre talking about cleaf right

or normal leaf

[karmic willow]

eevee

[sturdy steeple]

cause im using normal leaf against moltres

[karmic willow]

i remember a certain cute gal telling me

[sturdy steeple]

brock needs a partner

[karmic willow]

do leaf and ss brock

and i was like

"damn why not ss brock and adaman"

but nah

crasher wake for sinnoh theme skills cuz

using him as a nuker was NUTS already against Terrakion

one of my peak actually

2 eggmons and a dream

but yeah no lol screw mg2

@sturdy steeple now this might be tough but

dojo gloria (kinda max invested)

Solo latias or duo with vaporeon tech on moltress

i mean vaporeon is gonna have a hard time finding a partner after all

and i am

thinking a bit about lysandre....

ss lysandre of course

[sturdy steeple]

moltres

[karmic willow]

i know i am cooked when

i already planned for like

2-3 trios already

jesus

[raven crane]

Cooked by a rubber chicken at that.

[karmic willow]

i will never

do any duos with lodge silver

it's always gonna be lodge silver, tech blastoise, and cobalion

you get max crit, actual defense debuff, and a big nuke

liberating

[pearl beacon]

Looking at datamine
Where's this month EX

[raven crane]

Oak & Mew.

[pearl beacon]

Ohhhh nice

Finally he can

Do, things

~~ mine is alrd 20/20 and is not splitting from Liza duo ~~

Aww and it's pink

[karmic willow]

man

anni may

@sturdy steeple i guess she could debuff... if she wasn't too busy killing your team back with psy terrain

oh boy

blue solo vs blue flincher

nah screw that i still want to keep my sanity

also i feel like

calem and ss lusamine can duo latias

(lmfao)

jk no way lusamine lives long enough

@median swan didn't you like, use ss gladion on latias at one point with an eggmon?

147-ish clears planned

[worthy horizon]

max investment ss lysandre can duo moltres with support quaxly but you can't let moltres move from half bar 1 to start of bar 3, need two instaqueues to wipe bar 2

and quaxly can't get crit

[bitter gate]

Emphasis on max

I think spacing out the hail units is a harder ask

[worthy horizon]

yep 5/5 exr +10e

three instaqueues btw actually

and idk if we survive bar 3 still

[bitter gate]

I think Candice + some meatshield

Is also a good moltres duo

Tho I forget the best option

[pearl beacon]

Candice glacia peobably

[dawn plume]

candice glacia is pretty easy

[pearl beacon]

Yup, comfy if Candice isnt EX

[bitter gate]

Glacia is uhh

Too good to be thrown in with Candice

I think isteven might be better

[worthy horizon]

wondering if there's something preventing this instaqueue from being doable bc i cannot get it at all

the one at half bar 2 after instaqueueing a b move to get there from the start

[bitter gate]

For what, Lysandre?

[worthy horizon]

yep ss lysandre

[bitter gate]

I think it's because the burn is gone, but if you queue a stack passive it should be fine?

[pearl beacon]

Also remember a Grant Candice

[worthy horizon]

should be a 3 frame window when i look at each frame but i just haven't

and yet i get the one before with far less issues

[sharp lichen]

what move level SS Lysandre? and is it EXR?

[worthy horizon]

maxed

[sharp lichen]

ah

[worthy horizon]

and quaxly doesn't exactly have any passives to delay things

[stuck mantle]

Maybe this super up next?

Delay it

[worthy horizon]

there isn't really a good explanation besides me being bad bc i was obviously fairly late on that one if you look closely

still weird

but yea that's what it takes to get ss lysandre through with a partner that cheap

on top of instaqueueing rain dance right after

70% success rate on the first instaqueue and 0% on the second

[pearl beacon]

Qualxy ruines the 50%

[sharp lichen]

what if you rain dance here before the B-Move?

[worthy horizon]

no rain for bar 3

[sharp lichen]

ah gotcha

[worthy horizon]

ok got it

they don't survive bar 3 xd

[stuck mantle]

Molters is not terrakion🤣

This is ultimate lv boss

[worthy horizon]

i was only one move off from sync though which should have cleared it

so i upgraded quaxly to 5*

[bitter gate]

Grant Cynthia is better

And more standardized

[pearl beacon]

4/5 Cynthia

[pearl beacon]

Well ig that last one is something w wulfric
Or that team you're looking for will pop out again eventually

[worthy horizon]

don't need sand extension so 4/5 is sufficient

[feral plank]

Between 1ex ss Lyra and 3ex Greta who would you give role to?

[sturdy steeple]

lyra

[chrome halo]

EXR on 1/5 Lyra enables the Moltres solo right?

[feral plank]

Yep

[tender horizon]

Her moltres solo is still ass

Timing everything is painful

[heavy sinew]

Erm just flinch

[chrome halo]

Real

[lost juniper]

EX R is like 2 terrain mprs

[raven crane]

Can’t give Lyra the EX Role if you don’t have her!

https://tenor.com/view/ffxvi-cid-smoking-cid-smoking-final-fantasy-gif-9993054788202693698

[pearl beacon]

Lyra
But save for anni units
Bulu is always fun w her
~~ but permaflinching moltres is funnier ~~

[loud shell]

This is me with Bede. I want the bird but he comes at the worst time

I’ll just go for a 1/5 Elio instead

[river cliff]

Elio will likely return before Bede does

[chrome halo]

And he will likely join the next mix rotation

[loud shell]

While true the amount of gems typically needed for a pokefair over master fair is a lot lower

[stuck mantle]

Elio issu have no crit

B move use 2 time

And need relly on smack down

Bede have way better grid and kit

[river cliff]

Worst case they cost the same amount

[karmic willow]

i got

greta today

finally

the girlfriend buff was real

too bad no avery in 1 multi but nah i'm not pulling for him anymore

[gleaming cypress]

👍

where do you plan to send her to

[karmic willow]

honestly

idk

[rocky oasis]

latias probably

[karmic willow]

latias probably

wait

can someone tell me

how to get blue alakazam?

[rocky oasis]

not availible yet

but should be added to DC shop soon

cant remember when tho

[true tartan]

tomorrow's reset

not this one

[dawn plume]

dc units might be monthly now like lodge units

until they run out of rivals, i guess...

still, means no more complaing about lack of sprint/field

[rocky oasis]

ugh just when i was thinking i could afford to grab a dupe

[dawn plume]

i just got enough for a 4th unit today

grabbed hugh, only missing nemona now

will get her before blue cuz blue kinda sux

[rocky oasis]

blue looks better than marnie at least

[dawn plume]

he has paralysis

tornadus is QUAKING!!!

[rocky oasis]

seriously marnie feels really incimplete as a unit

for a modern unit at least

idk why she even has focus blast

[karmic willow]

doesn't lodge marnie suck?

i know she goes to latias

but like

with whom?

[dawn plume]

i just did poison trio of her janine and koga

its super overkill on debuffs but removing even one of them makes the team not work

cuz safeguard goes up then you wipe to the sides

[pearl beacon]

Probably the worst

DC Blue got my attention
He's damn good, too bad sprint and not field