Trainer Lodge

[crisp hornet]

Oh...

[rain belfry]

Can you trigger max vibes more than once?

[visual remnant]

Hot Topic halves attention drops

[crisp hornet]

Yes but you gotta be lucky

[glad acorn]

Test performed : Running Interaction offline
Progress : It can run without data, but when the pair calls off the interaction, it will keep prompting for data
Further test : Close the app, turn on data and run it again
Discovery : Interaction spent
Conclusion : Data from user side so it is impossible to reset an Interaction once it concludes

[visual remnant]

I have not been able to, despite triggering Max Vibes first turn + spamming Hot Topics afterwards

using all 4 items at once

[urban flicker]

Max vibes seems to be a one time thing

you trigger it once, you can't do it again for the rest of the interaction

[crisp hornet]

Hold on so you mean

We use ibteraction if we close the app after using it ? Or you need to close the interaction to try again ?

[rain belfry]

So it probably would be better to go for max vibes and then just for the best replies rather than hot topic?

[urban flicker]

I used as well all 4 times, and didn't got a 2nd max vibes

[wide sorrel]

If data from user side can’t you go in and change the files yourself tho

[visual remnant]

that's what I've experienced too

[glad acorn]

You need to cut the interaction before the pair concludes it

[urban flicker]

You choose the hot topic to have a chance to trigger max vibes, guaranteed if you use items like boost juice, etc

[glad acorn]

In the end, it's still rng because we won't know when they decide to call it off. Kinda like playing Jenga

[urban flicker]

after that choose the best answers

[visual remnant]

what if you cleared data before you resumed

[crisp hornet]

So does that mean that if you close the app as the trainer os about to end it, you can try again ?

[urban flicker]

yes

[rain belfry]

That I know, yee

[urban flicker]

people already posted screenshot and it's possible

[rain belfry]

Alright thank you

[wide sorrel]

It possible the second just have lower chance

[visual remnant]

like clear cache, or even completely uninstalling the app

[crisp hornet]

[urban flicker]

bu the timing of you closing the game

it's really difficult

[visual remnant]

since that flag is stored client side?

why not just remove the client

[crisp hornet]

Well i know that wheb the cobversation is about to end, there is a brief pause so is it possible to reset if you see the pause happening ?

[glad acorn]

I'll just roll for good start and let the pair casts the following die

[visual remnant]

you can reset anytime before the trainer ends the convo, but doing it just before it ends seems impossible (for human reaction at least)

since the only indication that it's ending is a small pause

but by then it's too late

[glad acorn]

I mean, Marnie just called me off at 82%

How did you predict that?

[visual remnant]

it already locks in

[visual remnant]

gut feeling lmao

[glad acorn]

As I said, it's like Jenga. Sometimes it just falls apart because someone sneezed

[wide sorrel]

You can use this to save some resources and guarantee a first topic max vibes right?

[visual remnant]

I went back in and 2/3

[visual remnant]

yeah

that, you can do

[glad acorn]

You rng for good topic you're familiar with and matching bubbles

[visual remnant]

I might try this tomorrow lol

man

Friend doesn't wanna talk to you?
Delete the world and start over

[wide sorrel]

Rng for hot topic to be the main exciting topic for a specific trainer

[lean river]

Am I doing the correct things?
Focus on topic but low excitement

[wide sorrel]

If the data is store on your phone I feel like someone gonna be able to edit the result that is sent to the client?

[visual remnant]

technically possible

[lucid steppe]

that's too close to hacking though

[visual remnant]

I think that is considered hacking

[wide sorrel]

^

[visual remnant]

since it's no longer via official/public means

[lucid steppe]

yeah

[wide sorrel]

Too much effort to put in for a game for me tho

[lucid steppe]

quitting a game is something that's allowed to do
editing local side data/code directly...not so much

[wide sorrel]

Any thing that can be abuse will be abused tho

[worldly ivy]

getting your account banned any% speedrun

[visual remnant]

I'm sure someone will try

but that's not for us to discuss here lol

[lucid steppe]

so what's current interaction meta

glasses shovel?

boost juice?

[crisp hornet]

I'd say boost juice, glasses and the ring

[visual remnant]

juice sucks unless you're rolling in silver

doesn't do anything past 1st vibes

[wide sorrel]

Higher chance of second vibes?

[crisp hornet]

The strategy i go for is:

Use these items

Say 2 answers

when it starts decreasing i give the gift

Go until the conversation ends

[visual remnant]

description of Juice says it "Ensures max vibes when you select a topic that matches your guest's hot topic during an interaction"

so if there is a 2nd Max Vibes possible, it should guarantee it

as of now, it does not

[lean river]

Anyone can ans this?

[visual remnant]

so either it's lying, or there is no 2nd Max Vibes

[buoyant marsh]

Someone has a strat to reach 4/4/4/10 in expedition?

[glad acorn]

That seems impossible with one team

[next junco]

Yeah

[gray verge]

You'd rather aim for 2 lv10 than that

[next junco]

chest unit will prevent that

[wide sorrel]

Double lv 10 chest and rotate lv 10 for the 3 crystals

[dense saddle]

We getting close lessgoo

[lucid steppe]

silver quit on me

on 91%

?!

after presents

and shovel

and ring

and glasses

[visual remnant]

it do be like that

[thick widget]

Marnie even quit on me on 94%

[lucid steppe]

and game crashed on me

[thick widget]

well at least you get refunds

[keen wolf]

Nice

[dense saddle]

Rosa quit on me on 91% attention

Is this a glitch or is it normal

[next junco]

Normal

[dense saddle]

Rip

[glad acorn]

Finding : Pair starts losing attention from 3rd talk onward
Plan : Initiate Max Vibe starting the 2nd talk so you have a longer time at 100%
Random note: You can start max vibe at low attention but they can cut you off at the end of it

[next junco]

Can i make this blue become lv 10?

Help

[glad acorn]

Wait for cheer

[next junco]

I think have team focus on buying item is better than refill 3 extra interaction per day

with no gift i waste interaction pretty fast with RNG god doesnt give me hot topic and quit on 90%

[crisp hornet]

How did you guys get 6th slot already ?

I'm trynna get it but i struggle with it especially with blue crystals

[wide sorrel]

Even with gift it can still quit on you on 90% tho

[glad acorn]

A day ago

[next junco]

hard-working

[crisp hornet]

Still how ???

[glad acorn]

I didn't buy the cache business

Level 10 crystal

[visual remnant]

focus on doing level 10 on one crystal at a time

[next junco]

Just go for max 10 cache

[crisp hornet]

dang

[wide sorrel]

It take max 2 day to max 6 slot

[glad acorn]

The hourly gain is constant

[wide sorrel]

If you focus on lv 10 crystals

[crisp hornet]

Is it possible to do 10 on 2 of them at oncd with 5 slots ?

[visual remnant]

maybe with cheer and boost? not sure

[wide sorrel]

With cheer

10 10 2 2 is the best I can get

[nimble olive]

Just used all 6 interactions only for the convo to be ended at 89% 😭

[wide sorrel]

Basically 24 total is my max

[glad acorn]

this spot used to be empty 16 hours ago

Now just wait for them to roll in

[next junco]

wow your gold is stacked

Open slot 6th already?

[rain belfry]

I have a bunch of units that make getting to x10 easy. Then run 2 teams with focus on different colours until I got to the requirement of 1 or 2 upgrades, then do 2 teams for the third colour to buy the upgrades

From then on you can farm 2 colours easily

[plain nova]

Also close to get 6th slot

[gray verge]

Any 2 teams to get X/X/X/10 in both where any of the X is also a 10? Got 6 slots unlocked

[plain nova]

the link in the pin has some suggestions

[lucid steppe]

pretty sure pins has it covered

[urban flicker]

if you don't have some of these units, you can check the google doc pinned for other team suggestion

[orchid glade]

So close to slot 2

then done two

[gray verge]

Thanks! I do have them all

[urban flicker]

then you are set

[gray verge]

Oh but I meant LV 10 for cache in both teams

I'll check the pinned doc

[urban flicker]

I guess you can try this if you want 10 cache on both

[next junco]

Imagine having Lucas

[clear beacon]

Decided to try to get an even level of all three colours whilst also getting as many chests as possible

Team A, top
Team B, bottom

[eternal mural]

Silver dumped me at 69%

Dunno wheter to be happy or sad

[late sluice]

Does anyone have a team B i can steal that maximizes blue and purple?

[vivid trellis]

Wow, i just saw the drop rate from absol-utely and the chest are very rare.
https://pastebin.com/AJhPVFvg

[late sluice]

This is what I currently have, A and B respectively

[next junco]

As much as i can

[late sluice]

Ooh I can do that, ty

I only have 5 slots but it should still work well enough

[next junco]

[modern kestrel]

This chat had a list of characters to send on expeditions to get +10on each team

[gusty topaz]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[modern kestrel]

where is that, its not pinned anymore

[wide sorrel]

So the average is 2 chest per hour for lv 10

[next junco]

Or 1 chest

[modern kestrel]

Any way to get +10 on all crystals if 6 slots are unlocked?

[next junco]

i got use to wake up after 5 hour sleep with 3 chest

[pastel swallow]

is this with max red blue and yellow

[modern kestrel]

I saw a pin here last time with the teams

[urban flicker]

@modern kestrel

[winter galleon]

Is there a team without SS Lusamine?? I remembered there was one with Noland but I forgot

[pastel swallow]

i have but will have red reduction

[winter galleon]

[urban flicker]

this I think

[wide sorrel]

Max you can get is 2 lv 10 per team. It pretty easily to build the teams yourself. There answer in the pin also

[urban flicker]

with the rare extract instead of Omni

it replaces SS lusa for Guzma

[pastel swallow]

yea must use rare extract

[icy wagon]

I want as much possible cashe but one color always goes out 🤡

[winter galleon]

Oh neat

[icy wagon]

How to have a balanced lets say 0-5-5-10 😭

[pastel swallow]

i think i will change out guzma with plum

[pastel swallow]

not possible

chest cache has quite a big trade off

[wide sorrel]

That possibly with cheer and omni

2 6 6 10

[winter galleon]

This is my current team, though I wonder if it's worth it to do two chests

[deep tree]

8-8-7-1 is about most balanced ... with omni ...

[pastel swallow]

oh u mean after unlocking all slots?

[next junco]

More budget

[wide sorrel]

Yeah

[icy wagon]

What I want is all chests

I already got all slots

[pastel swallow]

cos gold isnt important once u unlock all slots

bronze and silver impt for gifts

just not gold cos too ex

[winter galleon]

I dont have Lusamine but i'll take note

[rancid lance]

Nice, got a 2-star key from a chest

[next junco]

bruh no normal lussamine too

[icy wagon]

You get bronze anyways from Omni

[next junco]

[deep tree]

chest cache can only go: 10-0-0-10 ... 0-10-0-10 ... 0-0-10-10 ... or nothing good ..

[winter galleon]

yeah the villain fan is missing a villain spotlight unit

[icy wagon]

Well I already have a 10 0 0 10 and a 0 10 0 10 team

But that means the blue getting screwed

So I will probably have to swap around

A team every day

[next junco]

bruh blue is hardest to max 10 alongside chest 10

[icy wagon]

So my lazy ass wants something more like 0-5-5-9 without cheer

[next junco]

I get max 9

[icy wagon]

Without cheer or omni

To be exact

[winter galleon]

Is it worth it to do two cache teams cuz now I can do so many extra interactions

[deep tree]

is it possible?

[winter galleon]

I'm also only really chasing after the 4* tier crystals and not the

[icy wagon]

I was told no, But I will keep looking for something similar

[wide sorrel]

Don’t think that possible

[icy wagon]

Cheer isn't guranteed, so I don't want to depend on it

Omni sure

[wide sorrel]

Without omni and cheer max you can get is 16 lv ish

0559 is 19 lv

[icy wagon]

Ouf

More slot when

[urban flicker]

DeNa add 3 more slots

k thanks

[next junco]

Does anyone has 1/1/9/10 for team A and B?

Duo grind blue ?

[rigid pilot]

Why tho

[urban flicker]

I was thinking, now that I have 6 slots

[lucid steppe]

10 cache is hard without some characters

[next junco]

I need more silver blue for gift

[lucid steppe]

re: lussamine or MR

[carmine pilot]

So we can add one Lillie leading each team
More time warps

[urban flicker]

should I have just 1 team focused on chest

or both teams

[carmine pilot]

It's kinda weird i have one Cynthia in team A and one in B

[lucid steppe]

cynthiaception

[deep tree]

can I have 4 teams on expedition

[next junco]

pay 100 rare stone to get third team count me in

Or even 1000

[lucid steppe]

imagine if cost is 10 certs of excellence

[floral tinsel]

Is there a Team A with 10 blue 10 cache?

[next junco]

Then it will be easy

[wide sorrel]

10 cert for a extra team easy lol

[next junco]

My Bea lv 142 already

[blazing sapphire]

Got both teams on red

[next junco]

still slow

[carmine pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/find-them-and-bring-them-to-me-sorceress-tavora-the-quest-locate-them-search-for-them-gif-25700235

[next junco]

The moment you see it reach 999 and you have to wait for 10 min because it only drop silver or bronze

[carmine pilot]

Guys you're relying on Cheers to reach 10/10 on a team or you just set it up 10/10 on both teams?

Bcs 10 looks feels way better than 9 in terms of %drop chances
Need to se the math behind it

[next junco]

Depend... For blue i think you need cheer

[next junco]

Same experience

[clear beacon]

No, 6 yellow, 6 blue, 6 red
With 8 chest and 6 chest (and using one chest boost to make them both 8)
Only interested in the bronze and silver crystals (and emerald crystals) at the moment

[regal egret]

Finally got my 5th slot

Get my 6th tomorrow hopefully 🤞

[covert pivot]

Woke up to six slots, pretty happy.

My end teams look to be 10-6-1-5 and 10-1-6-7. The first team does also have a mode of 10-6-2-7 if I get a cheer off.

Main goal is to get as much red gold as possible for gifts, hopefully enough silver for items, and hopefully enough platinum for all bonus interactions each day plus gold items when I can.

[vivid trellis]

https://pastebin.com/AJhPVFvg

[deep tree]

drop is per minute?

[vivid trellis]

Yes

[orchid glade]

What I have right now, just need the last slot

[icy wagon]

Whew that rate for chests

[urban flicker]

so every minute you have a % that you get a rare chest as well?

[icy wagon]

Yes

That's why it's so low

[deep tree]

what is daily expected value ...

can't do probability ..

[orchid glade]

I might get third slot today but need some luck

[past dune]

So + 0.15% for every chest that can drop at that level huh

[carmine pilot]

Thanks!

[past dune]

nvm my eyes messing with me man

[carmine pilot]

Still RNG, the outcome can be easily 0 3* chests

And even more, you could get useless stuff from them lol

[past dune]

I got 10 5* tickets outta 16 chests today so I still like my odds

[carmine pilot]

That's really nice

[past dune]

although my teams having the same level of cache yet one got 3 chests and the other got 13 kinda crazy

[carmine pilot]

How long it took?

I have 2 full chest steams and in the last hour i got only one bronze chest

And found exp manuals
It must be like "The chest give you wat you need, not what you want" since i can't even level up Ash

[next junco]

The more you hate the more you get

[deep tree]

so the probability is like this:
1-star 1.5%
2-star 1.05%
3-star 0.5%
nothing = 100%-1.5%-1.05%-.5%
4 possible outcomes? ... too much math to calculate

[glad acorn]

So anyone having a better guide than initiate Max Vibe from 2nd talk?

[deep tree]

3rd talk? dunno

[glad acorn]

3rd will still shave some attention off it

First two talk won't spend attention

[rain belfry]

You just need to get lucky I suppose

People have tried to sort of save scum it and cancel the interaction if they don't get ehat they want

But aside from that it's RNG

[carmine pilot]

Well the only useful thing about soft reset is that you can ger rid of bad hot topics
Like the one with just 2 or 3 10 point choices

[urban zinc]

[wary wasp]

just got my last 2 slots too😁

https://tenor.com/view/high-five-walter-white-jesse-pinkman-breaking-bad-4k-gif-21661584

[rain belfry]

Nice!

[wary wasp]

anyone have the blue/yellow Kalos team? I can’t seem to find it 😭

nvm i found it

sorry if you were typing it out vex 😅

[zealous osprey]

Wow the drop rates have been datamined

[rigid pilot]

What

[zealous osprey]

A quick conclusion would be, for those of you (and me) who are farming silver crystals, it is better to have as higher level as possible, while not switching around.
Basically the silver expectation of a lv10 team per min is 0.95, and a lv 7 team is 0.65. However, if you only run it half of the time, a lv 10 team is equivalent to 0.475, which is even lower than a lv 7 team.

It is only better than a lv 5 team which is at 0.35

[rigid pilot]

If alr done all 6 slots

Is dbl chest spam better then?

Did they datamine loot in chests

[zealous osprey]

cache drop rate increases linearly with the level, so we want as high as possible

[carmine pilot]

Those who started with 10 in both teams got a huge advantage
I unlocked the firts slot with the gold crystals, and it took one day and half

The worse choice s were splitting resources or going for chests

[rain belfry]

Haha no worries

[urban zinc]

Double chest moment

[next junco]

bruh red so easy im struggle with đouble blue team

[rain belfry]

Almost feels like farming chests isn't really worth it with it being down to RNG

[zealous osprey]

You have no choice the lv4 stones are only obtainable from chests

[past dune]

are you gonna overfarm crystals then? lol

[raw hare]

Well this is sucks.... even with 3 'super excited'... The convo can also ended early.... Like this need to.....

[rain belfry]

I know, it's tragic

[next junco]

You can overfarm and save it for other character tho

[rain belfry]

Though tbh I'm more interested in Lodge Stones than level 4 crystals

[zealous osprey]

double 10/10 single color chest team won't work in a long run, as you will soon run out of silver crystals

[past dune]

i'd rather just farm out all the presents I need for the day and next then continue on with chests and hope for that lucky 5* goodies or scout tickets 🙏

[rigid pilot]

So what's the best setup

[past dune]

once I get 6 slots it'll be easy to farm silver crystals for everything and still keep up lvl 10 cache

[rigid pilot]

Chest and red yellow farm

?

[zealous osprey]

An ideal combo should be 10/10 color cache + (5+)/(5+)/10 other two colors cache
which is better than having more than one 10/10 team rotating for the other two colors

[past dune]

did the droprate message not get pinned 🙁

[rigid pilot]

But team b is fuckrd on blue tho

Cause most cache drop blue

[deep tree]

[past dune]

any chance for pin for this

[deep tree]

so hopefully my math is right ...

it is basically coin flip / dice roll with uneven distribution ...

[lost pumice]

Over night farming 16 chests

How is this interaction?

[past dune]

lodgestone is alrite lol

[sick garnet]

May just dipped at 92% after i used all 4 boosting items

Im livid

[lucid steppe]

it happens, sadly

[sturdy monolith]

Damn

[light quarry]

Can someone explain me what the condition is for this pokemoms to increase their value?

[sturdy monolith]

Needs to share same region theme skills

[past dune]

You can view their skill next to the theme skill tab

tap and hold the trainers there and take a look

[light quarry]

Oh found it! Thank you two 😊

Do we already now a good decent team combination?

[frank thicket]

yes, there are actually several

but it requires to have the units

[deep tree]

[light quarry]

Thank you two 😊

[sharp bramble]

God DAMMIT

[glad acorn]

"Excellent" <-- Sounds like a joke

[carmine pilot]

Imagine doing x3 and getting kicked above 90%

[lethal marsh]

It's all random
The characters end the conversation when they feel like it

No matter the gifts or subjects

[lethal marsh]

Love your teams man
Double chest drop in all of them

[scenic remnant]

level ten blue and yellow, then put both teams on level ten red

I got all three slots at the same time

[lucid steppe]

Noooooo

[hollow kiln]

I find these interactions tough to do without items

[lucid steppe]

[jolly cove]

Pain

[rain sorrel]

I have 1/4 done for Gastrodon

If everything keep going to plan I should have it in 2 weeks

[lethal marsh]

does anyone have any tips for the best 2 teams for expeditions

[deep tree]

Level what!

[plain nova]

[lucid steppe]

whaling incentive moment

[lost pumice]

Wtf

[lethal marsh]

good enough

[lost pumice]

Thats BS

[urban zinc]

candies smh

[lucid steppe]

candy drainer

[lethal marsh]

also bruh

[deep tree]

for frame ....

move level 3 unlocks max grid...
move level 5 unlocks special frame ...

[urban zinc]

Go for lvl 3 on all of them, and lvl 5 on the one you like that's it

[deep tree]

no just wait 10 years to get extra 2 free from her ...

[sonic stream]

Can you get max vibes from less than a Super Interesting on correct type??(

[urban flicker]

you can get max vibes if you hit the hot topic

there is a chance

[sonic stream]

Oh so I should go for tier 2 on topic over tier 1 non topic?

[urban zinc]

wait what

they give free dups ?

[carmine pilot]

Like when we got the free select

Imagine ppl not pulling Cynthia

[urban zinc]

uh?

[urban zinc]

OH WAIT

I read Gastrodon

Not garchomp

now that makes sense

hopefully they'll eventually give at least one free copy of each

f2p content locked behind gacha is pain

[carmine pilot]

I have Archie ready for the special frame

[urban zinc]

wait what

you mad lad

[jade trout]

Little too late for resetting and now I have a notif I can’t get rid of on interactions

[urban zinc]

Click on it, it's because you got a new location

[jade trout]

Ohh

[urban zinc]

just go over the location then go back

[keen wolf]

My only 5/5 is Mimikyu and Furbert but alt doesn't count so

[jade trout]

Thank you LMAO

[quasi sigil]

after getting max vibes, does the hot topic change?

[keen wolf]

Nope

[quasi sigil]

[hexed lava]

increasing friendschip level cap from 100 to 110, what does change ?
What are the benefits from it

[urban flicker]

Nothing, just more Lodge stone

but it's not worth it for now

[hexed lava]

oh i see i see

[magic scaffold]

Whew.

[glad acorn]

Not sure if already shown here, but absol put up the rates https://pastebin.com/AJhPVFvg

[deep tree]

yes ... and math is done for 1 day drop rate ....

[hard badger]

Thank you both very much these are excellent resources. Would it be possible for a mod to pin both?

[alpine flare]

I think you should use the word “expected outcome” instead of “outcome” no? Very useful though!

[deep tree]

yeah, I was just doing it fast ...

[alpine flare]

Actually such a big difference between 7-10 for 3 star chest wow

[pastel swallow]

yes

always go for hot topic even if answer is shit

[jolly cove]

This was the best one I could get so far

[pastel swallow]

i mean for max vibe

this was so satisfying

[jolly cove]

Wait how do you get these ×3

[pastel swallow]

3 interactions at one go

[jolly cove]

Aaaaah

[pastel swallow]

items and presents consumed 3x also tho

[deep tree]

it is good if you reach many interactions ... bad if you get dumped at 80ish% ...

[north moat]

Why do I keep thinking of Professor Oak’s “Wonderful!” from Pokémon Snap whenever I read those?

[deep tree]

most likely deep inside you want to interact with Oak

[north moat]

[urban flicker]

It's a gamble tho, probably it's not worth it

[random portal]

anyone do the stats for the BP pairs yet?

[urban flicker]

you could use all 3 interaction in one go and get that amount of points and level up a lot

or the interaction could end at like 90%

[random portal]

Here you go everyone.

[alpine flare]

Poor Sophocles all alone

[pale marsh]

Cynthia ends her interactions very early i hate it here

I did however, get my 5th slot

[random portal]

i need 300 yellow Gold crystals for my last slot

[crisp hornet]

I need 600 blue crystals

[cold ferry]

6th slot gotten

[crisp hornet]

AND MY BLUE CRYSTAL LVL IS 10

[cold ferry]

now onto project blue

[alpine flare]

These are the best teams I could make but I actually want to focus on red, not yellow

Stupid masked royal forcing me to do this

[icy wagon]

Whats a 0-0-10-10 team for B? i can't seem to manage it 🤔

Oh it needs rare extract tsk.

[crisp hornet]

It's bery hard to do because most +3 chests trainer are -3 blue

[void lintel]

Vexing. I have enough Tier4 stones to buy all three extra Interactions but not enough Tier2 stones to supply me with items/presents for them. Hmm...

[icy wagon]

Ill settle for 1-1-10-9

[alpine flare]

Is it possible to do 10/0/0/10 if the only 3 cache I have is masked royal

[void lintel]

P sure I have 9/8/2/10 with Cheer and Omni on team A

[icy wagon]

I changed my 10/1/1/10 so I forgot who they are :v

[void lintel]

Ah, it was 9/7/2/10

[alpine flare]

Damn, I don’t have Steve

Good setup though

[void lintel]

Hoenn's Rare boosters reeeeaally hate Wistful, so they are very stackable

...It is a problem for me because I was trying to befriend Lillie for that Comfey. And she uses Wistful because her main pair is Support

Maybe after she reaches Lv30 for the improved daily gift, I'll swap to Blue or Cynthia to use up Fiery stones instead

[abstract marlin]

most points i've gotten

[jolly cove]

Wait so Red = Strike, Yellow = Tech and Blue = Support?

[void lintel]

Exactly

Expedition skills always have color bonuses that match class role and never color penalties that match class role

And the nine Lodge trainers all use the stone matching their main pair's class role

I was able to pretty accurately guess Ash's expedition skill before his release, this way

(Red-chu probably has +2 Yellow if they don't give him something special instead)

(Man, seeing him get hyped just spectating the Pika vs. Pika battle probably is exactly what inspired him to bring his Pikachu out...)

[alpine flare]

This is exactly what I want to do, thanks for the idea!

[void lintel]

I bit the bullet and bought both Battle Chatelaine sisters just to have more Battle Facility Foes for Kalos. They combo well with Sycamore and Lysandre, but Kalos' roster is pretty sparse beyond that...

DeNA pls gib the other half of the Kalos E4

[visual remnant]

DeNA pls gib the other half of the Kalos E4 literally anything except Serena and Diantha alts

[floral tinsel]

I’m split between doing the first one or using a team I made which gives less crystals but more rare, 0/6/6/7 with Omni boost. I feel like once you have all 6 slots it might be better to earn the crystals a bit slower in exchange for caches

[void lintel]

Johto has it about as bad (its Champion and half its E4 are Kanto)
Galar is the only one that has it worse (the region with no E4 at all)

[floral tinsel]

So to run one team that’ll get silver crystals and some caches and another team which is 10 for the color of the unit you’re working on and 10 cache

[night gulch]

Wait, Battle Facility Foe has some extra bonus?

[void lintel]

While kinda true, there is a reason I'm asking for E4

[visual remnant]

Technically Galar had E4 from the time they had 4 trainers other than Gloria

[void lintel]

Filter your Expedition roster for Battle Facility Foe and see what they all have in common

[night gulch]

+2/+3?

most are rare, but not all

[void lintel]

Villain and Rival, too. But some Rivals have other trainer types that take precedence (e.g. Blue is Champion and Cheren is Gym Leader)

[void lintel]

Leon is also Champion, that's why

[night gulch]

I see

[void lintel]

Unless they have a region-match bonus to override it, Champions have a +3/-1 spread

Blue has this instead of Rare like Rivals do

But Blastoise Blue does not have the Champion tag so he has Rare

[night gulch]

Anyway, how are you guys distributing it?

Focusing the farm more on something or just trying to get at least one level 10 on each?

[void lintel]

Champion and E4 are important for team-stacking due to the +3/-1 spread

[rain belfry]

1 colour + chest for both teams, alternate between blue and yellow farm

Probably not the most ideal with chests being RNG fiesta but I don't mind

[void lintel]

What I want to do is not quite possible... Rare plus two colors on both teams. The right combinations just aren't possible on both teams

Hoenn can do it but I don't have the right pairs (if they even exist) for a second team with a different two colors

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1012298913279127582/1013483213865357452/Screenshot_20220828-122015.png

[lost pumice]

Any alternative for maxie?

[visual remnant]

what's Ash's expedition skill?

[void lintel]

(Team A)

[void lintel]

Not without biting into one of the other colors at least a little

[lost pumice]

Oof

[void lintel]

Fiery 2, consistent with a Striker Main Character

[lost pumice]

Well I might try for maxie later anyway

[crisp hornet]

Everyone getting thzir sixth slot while i'm stuck at this

[visual remnant]

oh this is interesting, I got 2 more ground Pokeballs on expedition after the 2 I got at reset

[void lintel]

Seriously, it was a weird miracle to get four +Rare -Wistful pairs in one region

[visual remnant]

so they can respawn randomly it seems

[crisp hornet]

Do you guys think cheer is also a daily thing ?

Or is it really random ?

[lost pumice]

Daily

Ig

[visual remnant]

I haven't gotten cheer for Team B yet today

[deep tree]

still didn't get my second team daily cheer ...

[void lintel]

My Kalos team. Need more E4 so I don't have to use a boring +2

[lost pumice]

Its random then ig

[void lintel]

(This is Team 2)

[crisp hornet]

Why e4 ?

[void lintel]

I just typed out the reason twice on a phone keyboard, I ain't typing it all out again

[alpine flare]

Finalized my teams for red focus

[crisp hornet]

Teaming e4 does something ?

[rain belfry]

@alpine flare happy birthday!

[void lintel]

+3/-1

[crisp hornet]

happy birthdae

[crisp hornet]

Ohhhh alright then

[alpine flare]

Thank you

[void lintel]

Regions with incomplete E4s have problems building expedition teams for this reason

[visual remnant]

@urban zinc for when you want to update the sheet

Ash +2 Red
Nita +2 Chest -1 Red -1 Yellow
Candice (BP) +1 Red +1 Blue
Clemont (BP) +1 Red +1 Blue
Sophocles (BP) +3 Red -1 Yellow
Janine (BP) +1 Yellow +1 Blue

that should be all the new (non-MC) units released today right?

[urban zinc]

yes, thanks

[alpine flare]

Only missing mesprit?

I’m sure someone got her

[visual remnant]

MC can't be used

[alpine flare]

Ohh

[visual remnant]

in lodge

[alpine flare]

Makes sense

[lucid steppe]

Imagine taking nita because she's not MC for lodge meta

[deep tree]

you can't interact with yourself ...

[void lintel]

Red will probably have +2 yellow
Cynthia will probably have +3 blue and -1 something else
Naomi will probably have +2 red
Costume Rosa will probably have +2 yellow
We'll have to wait for them to release tho

[visual remnant]

you cannot befriend yourself

[deep tree]

you can't date yourself

[void lintel]

Talking to oneself is a sign of madness

[lucid steppe]

Split-Personality Scottie?!

Anyways

Chest rng

[deep tree]

but madness is the essence of life ...

[void lintel]

Hope you weren't trying to befriend Lillie/Sycamore/Rosa

[deep tree]

or wait ... scottie can date befriend bettie and vice versa

[void lintel]

Scottie the hottie and Bettie the bae?

[deep tree]

*pretty?

[lucid steppe]

[alpine flare]

Average chest fan

I have 0 red but I am befriending blue

So pain

[rain belfry]

I'm almost convinced it's somehow connected to your crystal levels

Because I got one red/chest and one yellow/chest team

And these are the ones I've been getting exclusively today

[night gulch]

Hmm, including cheer + omni, I got one 10/4/2/10 team and another 2/10/10/5 team

Not sure if it would be better to focus even more on rare tho

Like focusing on 7 rare for gold chests

[void lintel]

It's weird. Rare gets more interactions via tier4 stones but laser-focusing it too hard leaves you insufficient tier1-3 stones for items and presents

I lucked out and got Ash early... Better recheck the schedule for when Red and Cynthia arrive...

[frosty juniper]

The tier 1-3 stones can also be gotten through the rares too

[night gulch]

The Alola roster I felt is hella good for Lodge

[frosty juniper]

It is, lots of good rares, and also the pairs have pretty good synergy

[night gulch]

I think I'm running 9 Alolans out of the 12 lol

[void lintel]

They can, but nowhere near as reliably. It's why it's so weird.

[urban flicker]

oh, Nita has chest +2, nice

[void lintel]

Battle Facility Foe is the reason

Heh. That shortens to BFF.

[alpine flare]

Someone calced the rate and 7 rare is 4 times less likely than 10 for gold chest

[shrewd gorge]

For those who have all 6 slots, what are you guys trying for in expeditions?

[alpine flare]

Team a all colors team b red and chest

[frosty juniper]

Doing Red and Rare on one, doing the other 2 for another

[shrewd gorge]

Ah nice

[frosty juniper]

With the other 2 I'm also putting in a bit of Red

[shrewd gorge]

Is there any where I can see optimal loadouts for any combination of level 10s?

[frosty juniper]

Pins

[deep tree]

colour team + your fave colour & chest

*cache

[frosty juniper]

Though don't think there's anyway to get 3 10s

[deep tree]

it is like 9-9-8 with cheer and omni ...

[alpine flare]

I only managed to get 9/8/8 because roster issue 💀

[deep tree]

skill issue

[frosty juniper]

Well, 10-10-3 is goood enough for now

[analog furnace]

I couldn’t sleep just yet, so I woke up to 6 slots Appreciate the doc from Maelmc, I’ve occasionally found teams that are better by 1 along the way, but I use them as a base at minimum

[frosty juniper]

Well, if you can't sleep I challenge you to a battle

[analog furnace]

Lol I’d be down for 1 before I try to head back to sleep again

[shrewd gorge]

I’m doing a 10/10/3/3 and a 1/1/10/9

I suppose this is fine for now

[frosty juniper]

Alright, let's go

[floral tinsel]

What would generally be better? A 0/4/4/8 team or a 0/5/5/6 team? That’s with no boosts so Omni + cheer would be a +2

[split jolt]

I'm doing 10 red rare + 10 yellow/blue (changing each several day) rare. Both use omni

[rain belfry]

First one. Chests are very RNG heavy and seem to be giving level 4 crystals more often than not so you're better off going for crystals to buy the remaining slot upgrades

[zealous osprey]

Actually, we would prefer a 5+ team to farm silver crystals due to the drop rate

for instance I'm running 7/7/0/8 and 0/0/10/10 for Rosa

It is more efficient than rotating between two lv 10 teams of red and yellow

[zealous osprey]

You may check out this sheet for the expected value of the crystals. I find it to be quite helpful

[formal forge]

I have significantly less Wistful Stones (the blue one) compared to the other two. Is that just bad luck? I thought they all drop from Rare Chests

[zealous osprey]

Yeah just bad RNG. I also have less blue than the others

[lost pumice]

How are these

[deep tree]

check this #1012298913279127582 message

[chilly wadi]

how come randomly a char will talk for 9 interactions then sometimes will just wander off after 3? using similar items and all

[lost pumice]

So should I go for higher lvls?

[lost pumice]

Mood swing

[warm plank]

My dear Deerling, i want u to sleep well, please

[deep tree]

yeah, apparently level 10 cache better than 7+8

[chilly wadi]

is that an actual mechanic 😭

[lost pumice]

But Mostly gold caches game me bad rewards like coins and books

[deep tree]

need drop rate for each item in cache, to give a better results though ...

[lucid steppe]

Can back that up chief

[knotty nymph]

also been getting coins and books

[lucid steppe]

60k coins, utterly useless

[knotty nymph]

Ofc I do need the books for the bp units but holy shit do I not need thhem this badly

[gray verge]

Coins are actually useful... For lodge

[lucid steppe]

yeah they're as useful as supermarket membership points are

which is to say, not a lot

now, if you could buy interaction stuff with coins

now that's good

[void lintel]

2 Omni per day is 200k coins per day. That's actually kind of a lot...

That's 1.4M per week.

I can see a new player having problems with it

I'll be fine, and I imagine most of us have been here long enough to be filthy rich. But new players... Hm.

[lucid steppe]

I guess that's true

but it gets old really quickly when every third chest is a 10k coin chest

anyways can't believe I'm doing VA for the scout tickets for lodge characters

[random portal]

not really when you can sell evo stones each day?

[lucid steppe]

lodge meta lesgo

[random portal]

like you rarely will ever use evo stones.

[void lintel]

You're not sad that you got coins
You're sad that you didn't get... literally anything better.

[void lintel]

New players are using their evo stones, and have more stuff they need from the Monthly shop besides

[lucid steppe]

one VA is 60 tickets including hard mode, so that's two possible new lodge meta characters

per VA

[void lintel]

...Voice Actor? Veteran Affairs...?

[lucid steppe]

villain arc

[void lintel]

Oh.

[lucid steppe]

the permanent ones

[void lintel]

The scout ticket pools were updated this morning, come to think of it

[lucid steppe]

exactly the point

[void lintel]

I finally spent all my Sinnoh ones and got the two genpools I was missing (Darach and Lucian). Now to hope Looker shows up at random from a Master Fair.

...Got Lucian at 3/5, in fact, so I can do funni sync nuke shenanigans with him. But that's another story...

[jovial moon]

Grats

[lucid steppe]

sigh, sabrina'd and misty'd. where's my ss erika...my lodge meta, noooo

[shut lagoon]

Hm, is there any reason why sometimes a character ends interaction on 90% attention? Is it just bad luck, like missing a 90 acc attack?

Seems to happen really often for me

[lusty hazel]

Lillie is a horrible friend

At 80% she cuts the chat

It happened 5 time today and yesterday

[jovial moon]

Its based on rng iirc

[viral slate]

finally unlocked the last team slot, should I focus in the level 10 rare cache farming with both teams now?

[void lintel]

You still need significant tier2 stone income for boost items; tier2 and tier3 for presents

[sturdy monolith]

focus on max rare cache and max of the gem of the sync pair ur trying to increase friendship with

you can get most of the stones you need for items through 1 - star chests

[void lintel]

It costs 1200 of each tier2 stone for six rings and six juice each day. That's not nothing.

[viral slate]

ok, so since I am tryin to max N I should focus on Fiery Crystal

[sturdy monolith]

tbh rings arent that necessary

[void lintel]

Yeah, with some in Soothing and Wistful for items

[viral slate]

both team at level 10 fiery crystal + 1 team with level 10 rare cache?

[sturdy monolith]

well of course be sure to use omni boost

[viral slate]

roger

[viral slate]

yep, always

[sturdy monolith]

i have some teams u can use if u need em

[viral slate]

hit me 😄

[void lintel]

Omni is expensive... If you're not already filthy rich, watch your coin total and remember to sell excess evo stones if needed

[viral slate]

nah I am a day one player, always above 20 kk coins lol

[viral slate]

thank you, I have all of them 😄

[sturdy monolith]

wait for the elesa event to rerun, everyone is going to be stiking rich lol

np

[void lintel]

Here's another team

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1012298913279127582/1013483213865357452/Screenshot_20220828-122015.png

[viral slate]

I also have plenty of coin to exchange lol

[viral slate]

don't have Maxie D:

[sturdy monolith]

i dont have maxie or og steven rip

[lethal marsh]

47 caches be like

[sturdy monolith]

gawd damn

no tickets

[lethal marsh]

No blue gems at all

Except the green ones ig

[odd cove]

Have we figured out when the cheer option appears?

[past dune]

it's just random when it'll appear

[odd cove]

Damn it

[past dune]

personally, I had it pop up 5 hours ago for Team A but it won't pop up for Team B 🤔

[faint plank]

anyone knw what happened to the level 10 for team a and b screenshot from pins?

[urban flicker]

my B team at 22 chest right now

[urban flicker]

you can find them in the google doc pinned

[faint plank]

understandable ty

[void lintel]

The Cheer button has been spawning later and later in the day each time... My best guess is a 24hr cooldown plus a randomized additional interval after that

That is how it's been behaving for me, anyway

[cloud glacier]

what is the best to do after unlocking 6 slots?

[urban flicker]

Team A that can farm 2 colors

and Team B that can farm the remaining color and Chest

all at 10

[random portal]

once i get the 6th slot (need 110 more yellow gold crystals) I might just go full chest teams.

the only thing really worth getting are the presents and interactions.

[urban flicker]

Do you already have teams for double chest at 10

I am considering as well to go double chest

but right now it's just team B

[random portal]

I can make em once i get it. Right now i'm just 2/9/2/10 on Team B

[urban flicker]

Nita and Landorus are Kalos, right

the new BP Unit

[random portal]

yes

she's +2 chest

[urban flicker]

they have chest +2

yeah

[random portal]

I believe i have more than enough chest units to go full chests.

i can't really test it out until i have my 6th slot tho

[urban zinc]

Lvl 20 Blue

[random portal]

seems like you can only get one max vibe per interaction

[gloomy bluff]

If you use all 3 interactions at once, does it use 3 of each item?

[pale marsh]

Pog congrats

[urban flicker]

Yes, you will need 3 copies of a single item if you wanna use all 3 interaction at once

same for the gift

[gloomy bluff]

Eww

[urban flicker]

Using all interaction at once is a big gamble, I suggest not to do it

[gloomy bluff]

I only use the gift if I make it past 100

[zealous osprey]

Is there a 8/8/8/0 team without cheers? The best one I found so far is a 8/8/7/1

[urban flicker]

you could get ditched at like 91%

or 80%

[lethal marsh]

I used all 3 interactions with glasses/shovel 😎 i got like 84x3 so it wasnt bad

N is level 11 now

[cold ferry]

so close to 6th slot on second account

should get it when I get back

[tepid stone]

oof I kept waiting just a little too long with my gifts

[knotty nymph]

Finally got a PU

N drops be at 95%

Damn

[pulsar skiff]

Me seeing the conversation drop after like the third topic even though it's at 90% attention

[solemn oar]

HOW DOES THIS MODE WORK I LITERALLY SELECTED THE CORRECT HOT TOPIC, AND IT STILL KICKED ME OUT AFTER ONLY 3 TOPICS

This is hot garbage

[north moat]

[tepid stone]

My current guess (off of no data) is that the concentration level is also the probability of not being dropped after a topic

[urban zinc]

I already got kicked the moment max vibes ended

shit happens

[pale marsh]

True

First 2 turns correlated to the hot topic, max vibes weren't made and next turn the interaction ended

[random portal]

Attention is % based. if it lowers even once, you have a chance of them ending it immediately.

[pale marsh]

Thanks Cynthia

[random portal]

in other words.... 92% = 8% chance of failing

[pale marsh]

I love those odds

[random portal]

my only gripe is that a convo can end IMMEDIATELY AFTER a Max vibes.

so I can't even pop a present to get a bigger boost

[pale marsh]

Oh yeah that happened to me this morning lmao

Max Vibes with N at topic 5 and poof, interaction ended

RNGsus giveth and RNGsus taketh away

[random portal]

imagine walking all the way to a volcano. only for three topics, then heading back to the trainer lodge.

[pale marsh]

Ferris wheel

[formal hornet]

Just to check, is it possible to apply a new omni boost when one is already active?

[pale cedar]

no

you could probably cancel it out with some other boost and then put an Omni boost back on

[formal hornet]

I don't think it can be cancelled at all

Which is annoying, you might reach a point where it expires overnight and you lose a lot of mats

[solemn oar]

No you can’t

[pale cedar]

Oh I see yeah you can’t cancel it

[solemn oar]

You legit have to wait the whole timer

[formal hornet]

Bad design

Thanks for the answers 👍

[lone crag]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[orchid glade]

Most of my accounts just need the third slot now might get tomorrow

[worldly ivy]

Frothing at the mouth like a feral animal give me that last slot

[jolly cove]

Finally, the expedition menu is not empty anymore

[tepid stone]

yeah we should all submit feedback about this

[worldly ivy]

Think there should be an option to queue an item for when ur current one expires, that way ur not screwed if it ends up expiring while ur fast asleep

[jolly cove]

Yeah

[gusty topaz]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[jolly cove]

Well, at least you will delay attention drop

[gusty topaz]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[last trellis]

is it possible to just farm those interactions 2 items and just get ez units?

i don't fully understand how it works, I'm assuming the percentage isn't really health

[north moat]

The attention percentage is RNG, but there are items that can help in your favor.

[last trellis]

can you spam items?

[north moat]

You can use multiple items at once, but only one of the same item per interaction.

[last trellis]

oof

I'm guessing it's more efficient to take it down to 70% and use an item

[north moat]

You can only use presents during the interaction itself.

[last trellis]

just don't be unlucky

[north moat]

Other items have to be chosen before it starts.

[last trellis]

yeah I'm talking about presents then

someone linked me to serebii page about interactions, so that's helped alot 💀

[sharp bramble]

Goddammit woman stop dropping me at 90+% before I can even give you a gift

[lone crag]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[viscid meteor]

ok

releasing my final update to the lodge thing

won't be making any more changes

4 sort options that you can access by "Change"
Grouped by Topic, Ordered by Affinity and/or Alphabetically
Grouped by Affinity, Ordered by Group and/or Alphabetically

[keen summit]

Is hitting the hot topic more valuable to continuing an interaction than hitting points that the character considers valuable?

For example - I can watch the infographics on what topics someone prefers and still have an interaction end after three topics. Is it a better move to go for topics the character doesn’t like as much, but match the hot topic?

[sharp bramble]

No

[stray sundial]

I usually go with more points and use items to save attention

[sharp bramble]

Hot topic gives you two choices at double value where they will never drop you

Err max vibes I mean

[keen summit]

That is only so helpful when this idiot character decides to end the interaction at 91%

[cold ferry]

BOTH ACCOUNTS HAVE ALL SLOTS

[stray sundial]

Btw anyone know if you can still reroll interactions? Or did that fix that alrdy

[sharp bramble]

How is double value ONLY helpful when they drop you at 91%

[keen summit]

Because I don’t get the double value?

[stray sundial]

Yea max vibes always a plus

It’s guaranteed double

During max vibes

[keen summit]

Idk the chances of Max vibes but I’ve only gotten it twice

[stray sundial]

U hit the hot topic once or twice, or once guaranteed if u have boost juice

[past dune]

i've always hit the hot topic immediately with boost juice now and it always goes to 6th topic anyways 🤔

[stray sundial]

Recommend investing in insight specs after u get 6 slots (I did it in 3days f2p ofcos)

[keen summit]

Can’t do much when the interaction ends after three statements. Just wondering if hitting the right topic prolongs the interaction better than saying something the character likes more

[stray sundial]

Its at least 5 questions p sure

Minimum

[finite dock]

Ok. I think I got my long term teams for raising Cynthia...

[stray sundial]

You lose less attention but like u said, its all rng and u can still get shafted at 91%

So go for points

[keen summit]

It definitely doesn’t go for 5 minimum lol

Maybe my luck is just bad but my average is 4

[last trellis]

how long does cheering last?

[stray sundial]

Mmm p sure its in the datamine but havent checked it since it came out

[past dune]

12 hours

[stray sundial]

12hrs i think

[void lintel]

12hrs according to the tutorial

[void lintel]

Today I had Lillie give up and leave on turn 3.
...Turn 1 and Turn 2 had no Attention dip due to my Dig-It Shovel, so she must have landed a single-digit percent chance to fail the conversation there.

I only got 22pts. Ugh.

[keen summit]

This was me yesterday, except I didn’t use any items. I honestly really hate this feature and I wish I didn’t feel forced to do it

[void lintel]

I like the feature, I just have terrible luck with it

[keen summit]

But that’s the problem. There’s already so much luck involved in this game, why make more

[wind badger]

Sending Ash with all his ladies doesnt really give you good synergy

[void lintel]

But that’s the problem. There’s already so much luck involved in this game, why make more
Eh... I'm not sure I agree

[keen summit]

I just get so frustrated with the RNG aspect. I get that it’s pretty well embedded into any Pokémon game, but wow it sucks to experience

[void lintel]

Like, I don't feel very RNG'd in most aspects of the game

[keen summit]

It’s literally a gambling game

[tepid stone]

I feel like without rng the process would feel completely lifeless

[void lintel]

Aren't there F2P win videos of every event

Also it has to pay you stuff upon a win for it to be gambling

[keen summit]

That doesn’t turn it into a different genre of game. Gacha is gambling

[jovial moon]

Yeah

[void lintel]

I don't feel it is a big enough part of my experience in this game to feel RNG'd by it

[keen summit]

Proud of you

[void lintel]

Like, I freaking hate gacha/gambling
And yet it doesn't really feel like it holds me back in this game

[frosty juniper]

If the game already gives you the tools to do the majority of the things it offers you, it doesn't really detract form the design

[keen summit]

Oh there are countless conversations detailing the generosity of this particular gacha. That doesn’t change what it is

[void lintel]

Laser-focusing the new exclusive on every banner is a sucker's game; DeNA gachas reward you for spotting when you don't need it

[keen summit]

What other games make you choose what new content you want to experience

[void lintel]

Any game with a branching story, for one

[marble hemlock]

found some double cache teams with lv9-10 single crystal type, in case anyone needs:

**fiery/red/strike**
Team A - 10/1/1/10
SS Lusamine + SS Giovanni + Masked Royal/SSR Cynthia + Nate + Marshal + Alder with omni extract

Team B - 10/1/1/10
Selene + Lusamine + Hau + Guzma + Plumeria + Kahili/Hapu with omni extract

OR
Team A - 10/1/1/10
Selene + SS Lusamine + Hau + Guzma + Plumeria + Kahili/Hapu with omni extract

Team B - 9/1/1/10
Steven + Archie + Maxie + Wally + Noland + Brendan with omni extract

(there are also a lot of 9/1/1/10 teams based around hoenn or combination of johto/unova/kanto)

**soothing/yellow/tech**
Team A - 1/10/1/10
SS Leaf + SS Misty + SS Erika + James + Lorelei + Masked Royal/SSR Cynthia with omni extract

Team B - 1/10/1/10
Lucas + SSR Cynthia + Masked Royal + Thornton + Lucian/Bertha + Roark with omni extract
(one of these will be 1/9/1/10 or 0/10/0/10 if you're running both teams for yellow crystals)

wistful/blue/support
Team B - 1/1/9/10
Lillie + Gladion + Lusamine/Plumeria + Barry + Hop + Drake with omni extract

Team B - 1/1/9/10
Sycamore + Lysandre + Evelyn + Nita + SS Blue + Phoebe with omni extract

Team B - 0/0/10/10
SS Kris + Silver + SS Giovanni + Lillie + Lana/Kiawe + Gladion with rare extract
(blue+cache doesn't have any particular good setups on team A)

[keen summit]

But either way, the matter at hand is that there’s a randomness factor here that doesn’t need to exist, and there’s no way to mitigate it. That’s annoying, that’s it

[void lintel]

And for another, I'm not real sure how much I'd call a new character "content" when I can skil it and still kill the new boss that said new character is intended to beat

[wind badger]

Thats great, but i do think you still need to get all 3 so you can constantly buy interaction items

[void lintel]

...There is a way to mitigate it though. Multiple. Specs, Juice, Ring, and Shovel.

[frosty juniper]

I agree with the rng factor not being needed for this mode though

[keen summit]

And those didn’t work for me lmao that’s what I’m saying

[frosty juniper]

But the general design of this game is pretty generous, it's kinda ridiculous

[marble hemlock]

running both teams with omni gets you enough bronze items, and two lv10 cache teams gets 88 caches daily, which should be enough silver got the ring (juice doesn't feel worth)

[wind badger]

I dont think it’s about RNG. Its making the experience a little more realistic

[void lintel]

You told me you flatout didn't use any

[wind badger]

You need plenty of Silvers too for Feel Ring etc

[keen summit]

Sure, I admit I only mentioned one instance. I’ve used items in other instances and seen no difference

[wind badger]

I tried the double 10 teams and i ended up with no yellows at some stage

[void lintel]

Yeah, these-- and Tier2 presents-- really add up to a high daily cost

[marble hemlock]

aw ok. maybe too much rng in the cache drops. was hoping daily caches would sustain 600 of each silver crystal

[wind badger]

Helped with my sustain while focusing on N’s items

[void lintel]

Caches seem to be weighted towards tier4 stones most, so this might be counting on a lower chance than comfortable...

[past dune]

whatever you don't get lucky in, just farm with your team

then farm the your lowest color crystal for the next day

[void lintel]

Indeed, compensating on the fly is also valid

[wind badger]

Eh, too much effort swapping since we dont have preset teams yet

[past dune]

from 3* chests you can get 500 silver crystals so just getting one covers one color

[wind badger]

A level 8 and 9 chest teams is already yielding me so much rare loot anyway

[void lintel]

For what it's worth, I am not sure chests will upend your crystal balance often enough for it to really hassle you that often

[wind badger]

No need to go 10

You clearly dont know my RNG, most my chest rewards have been gold or the Blue Crystal

[past dune]

every level increases drop chance so it's worth but yea some days even 7 feels enough lol

[wind badger]

Dont think ive gotten any silvers

[void lintel]

Like, preset teams would be nice, but it might not be so bad just yet

[marble hemlock]

lv 10 gets a lot more daily silver and gold crystals for the attention items (see chart I'm replying to)

[wind badger]

Thats still RNG on RNG though

[marble hemlock]

it's 1440 samples per day. the daily rates will be VERY close to the expected numbers

[swift basin]

I have 6 expedition slots total and I made Team A 10 10 3 1 Team B 1 9 9 2, would you recommend focusing on rare chests with Team b?

[marble hemlock]

other than cache rng which has more variance

[void lintel]

Indeed, those crystal numbers look very round; only the cache numbers look "wiggly" and that's likely due to how rare they are

And even then, they look very plausible

[past dune]

I just go full chests to get rewards used outside of lounge
I just play to only use the 1.3x trainer specific crystal, the one you spend silver crystals on, and just enjoy chests

once I get lvl 100 with every lounge character which i'm in no rush to do so anyways crystals will be way less value tbh

it'll just be saving up for the next lounge character

[void lintel]

Let's see, I gain about 5 friendship levels per day, so that's roughly 3 weeks per character. If no further characters are added, it'd take me 180 days (about 6 months) to max nine characters... If Lodge characters aren't added monthly, then maybe they'll be every two or three months, so that is realistically catch-up-able... After a long time.

[past dune]

3 weeks per character and unless they add them faster than that you will catch up lol

[void lintel]

(I don't have Marnie; she keeps showing up on banners paired with characters I already have...)

[void lintel]

Sure, but even if it is slower... The timeframe it would take to catch up is what I'm thinking about

If it's every second month, then the goalposts move by three trainers while I max the first nine-- and then maybe another trainer before I max those three-- and so it'd be nearly a year before I finish

[zealous osprey]

To me, the chest drops are basically useless except the three stones and extra crystals. Stuff that can be used outside does not really worth it, since the probability is just too low. All I look for in the chests are just the 27 stones each day for the interaction refill, which can be covered by a single lv 10 team actually

[cold ferry]

what is the highest level people have?

[past dune]

not to mention the more time that you have where you have all characters maxed gives you a chance to farm out the gold crystals and buy the 1.5x friendship points presents which would give you a headstart 🤔

[void lintel]

There is one flaw in this calculation, though:
My first few days may be below average yield, since nobody had 6 slots and/or a buffer of crystals when the feature launched

Which means the real average may be more than 5 levels per day

[carmine pilot]

And hoping dena will fix high attention drop
Today i did 3 levels with a total 6 interactions
4 runs kicked out between 85-91% with no chance to use a gift
The other two were, above 70%
Idc how people can do long interactions

[void lintel]

Which would allow us to max trainers faster than 20 days...

[past dune]

I mean with all the basic presents I always got to 6th topic and each topic potentially gives 7-10 points (I think max vibes gives double points?) 🤔

[carmine pilot]

SuperExciting topic during max vibest is like 16 points iirc

[void lintel]

Each time you see Excitement Building, subsequent topics are worth more points
This is why Hot Topics (halved attention drain) and Dig-It Shovels (reduce attention drain) are so crucial

Simply having a longer conversation raises the stakes

[void lintel]

20+

[frosty juniper]

No, it's double the points it would give at that moment

[past dune]

[void lintel]

Max Vibes is double score and super exciting is worth 10pts base

[frosty juniper]

So it's always 20+

[carmine pilot]

Oh nice

[frosty juniper]

Each turn gives you an extra point in your interactions

[past dune]

I think with 6 interactions and items the minimum seems 5 levels a day but potentially more

[keen summit]

5 levels a day must be nice

[frosty juniper]

6 is very possible

[void lintel]

Indeed, and the attention drain also escalates each turn... I wonder if it's better not to use Boost Juice so that Max Vibes can land late in the convo, doubling your score while your income is higher

[frosty juniper]

I messed up earlier and the interaction ended after I only got 43 points😭

[past dune]

not cash money 😭

[void lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-cash-money-gif-18502665

[frosty juniper]

No, considering it's very possible to dip when you're at 90%, getting it at the 3rd turn is better

[carmine pilot]

Buying juice for each interaction is quite expensive
Without i can hit max vibe after the 2nd iteracion
Btw still getting kicked at high %
I'm so pissed, that i had the chance to use only 2 gifts out of 6 today

[void lintel]

I had specs and ring on, picked 3 Hot Topics and Lillie gave up after turn 3, so... It is still oof either way

[carmine pilot]

It was a x3 run?

[frosty juniper]

I meant activating it second turn so that 3rd and 4th become max vibes

[void lintel]

x1, "fortunately"

[carmine pilot]

Not going to use x3 ever again i suppose

[frosty juniper]

May be a bit of a resource waster, but it's safer

[void lintel]

Nah, I'd still do x3 when I can. I was just doing them as I received enough crystals to buy items for them today

And it's the weekend so I had time

[void lintel]

Over a long period of time it averages out the same either way

[frosty juniper]

I'd like to play this safer honestly

[carmine pilot]

Do you soft reset if you don't get hot topic choices early?

[carmine pilot]

Yeah, today's lesson was a big slap for me
Getting 3 lvls over 3+3 interactions

[void lintel]

I don't think I ever didn't have a hot topic by turn 3

[void lintel]

It's the same either way. The chances of each outcome are the same; the question is whether 2-3 weeks is a long enough time for it to even out

[pale marsh]

Does speed affect interactions? I hope not

[rustic flint]

I just managed to unlock my 4th expedition slot since I was behind on the meta but do we have any more data on Lodge gameplay mechanic wise?

Like what triggers cheering and if there is any subset of actions that factor into ending interactions

[frosty juniper]

Well at the rate that I'm going, hopefully I'll get to level 100 with Blue in 2 weeks

See you in 14 days

[void lintel]

Cheering, for me, spawns later in the fay each time. My best guess is a 24hr cooldown plus a randomized interval

[void lintel]

I might get Lillie to Lv30 for the upgraded daily gifts, and then alternate between her and Blue and Cynthia to spread my crystal expenses across two types instead of one

[rustic flint]

Okay so got some neat info in pins, thanks

[void lintel]

I can build Red+Yellow+Rare and Red+Blue+Rare at the same time; Yellow+Blue+Rare ends up cursed with the options I have

[rustic flint]

Will see if that helps translate, we still don’t have info on cheering though?

[past dune]

it's random when it pops up but lasts 12 hours

+1 to all

[void lintel]

I haven't seen an option proposed that seems more likely than my best guess, above

[zealous osprey]

Basically what we want daily is just do as much interactions as we can, and use better items and gifts to do that. Thanks to the numbers in the datamine (https://pastebin.com/AJhPVFvg), I drafted several teams that can cover the daily needs of :

1. most of the 4 items used to extend the duration of the interactions (1200 for all 6 silver & bronze crystals)
2. 1 golden gift and 2 silver gifts, which is the theoretical maximum without crazy luck from the caches

The conclusion is that all we want are lv 10 + lv 8 on the color of the trainer (to ensure 1000+ daily gold output), lv 7+ on the other two colors for the items (for ~1000 silver crystals), and a lv 10 cache, which is more than enough for the drop of those three stones.

I'm working on Rosa, so I'll just use the wistful(blue) crystals as an example. My team A rotates between 7/8/8/1 and 8/7/8/1, and my team B is 0/0/10/10, all achieved without cheers. I also did some manipulations to make sure the rotation is less painful. Team B can be any 10/10 color-you-are-working-on/cache team.

[frosty juniper]

That's fair, but since I'm still doing it all at once, I'll have a lot of the rest be ready for me to upgrade everybody else after I finish Blue

If that makes sense

[void lintel]

Perhaps. Mostly it's just that I can't build two Blue+Rare+(another color) at once without getting bad results, so I can't "afford" to finish Lillie all at once

[frosty juniper]

Ah, honestly, I only made one treasure team and just hope it works out

I have another at 7 now though

So that helps a lot

I have a 10 and 7 for cache

[void lintel]

My luck is always weird so I wanted two treasure teams to compensate

I lucksacced Ash pretty early, so I'm nervous about Lady Luck demanding... repayment

...Maybe that's why I had that 22pt Lillie convo this afternoon

[frosty juniper]

I will say that the possibility for the caches to give you the lower scale items is pretty good

[frosty juniper]

Ah same pain with my 43 point onvo

[frosty juniper]

I had to pity him, though I haven't pitied anything in a while so it made sense

[void lintel]

I got large payouts of silver wistful crystals right before that... I guess I can pinpoint the exact moment Lady Luck's mood swing was

[frosty juniper]

I just hope that I don't have to do the same with Red

Thank you

[frosty juniper]

Honestly, I feel like that happens often enough that it's reasonable to think you can rely on it

Not fully of course

[void lintel]

I'm not sure I agree. I don't think I got Fiery ones ever; it is a stroke of blind luck that I got exactly the ones I needed

This is with two treasure teams doubling my odds, mind

[frosty juniper]

I guess

[past dune]

I wouldn't rely purely on it but more like half on it

[void lintel]

I'd feel better about cache reliance if we knew the drop weights for each possible item they can contain. We do, at least, have datamined drop rates for the caches themselves, so we can come up with an average expected yield if we had both data sets

[frosty juniper]

I thought we already did

[maiden haven]

Would be interesting to see a server wide pool on which unit everyone is planning to max first, to gauge popularity

[frosty juniper]

Also, I said not fully too

[past dune]

oh lol

[maiden haven]

Blue might be dead last

[past dune]

i plan full chests + lvl 3 in all crystals

using omni to hit lvl 4 or cheer

[void lintel]

Do we? May I see it?

[past dune]

The discoverly level drop rates were datamined

[void lintel]

Blue's bonus sync pair looks p good tho

[past dune]

but not the drop rates of the contents of the caches

[void lintel]

Yeah, this is the piece that is missing if I want to figure out how reliable caches are