Resource Saving Support (Gem Zen)

[tough oriole]

I wonder if hairstyles are going to be locked behind scottie or bettie, or if its like SV where you can choose what you want

[summer goblet]

its prob gonna be locked

so male gets the short end of the stick

lol

[tough oriole]

Wonder how it’d work if you had a special hairstyle then switched to the opposite character

As long as scottie gets a good long-ish hair option i’ll be happy

[summer goblet]

that would be great

[upbeat lotus]

i need Goku hair

[tardy fiber]

Maybe i can add longer sideburns

[split thicket]

Completely forgetting to give Leaf an alt. They could have at least sacrificed SS Misty (who's one of the worst units in the game) to give her an alt.

[tardy jolt]

The Art for the og trailer looked so bad, lol, everything seems like a knock off, I think it’s the shading

[signal halo]

There's at least a bit of new info pre-datamine

[mental skiff]

can only customize hair, hat and eyes color

at least they should give us power to customize whole face

[rotund sleet]

missed the reset before today’s (so 23rd), can anyone reconfirm how many gems i lost ?

i saw 500 gems on the table

[mental skiff]

👀but you might lose pace in daily reward tho

[rotund sleet]

daily reward ?

[mental skiff]

Yeah

[rotund sleet]

the login bonuses ?

[mental skiff]

That

Might mess with your login

[rotund sleet]

yeah rip, don’t think i’ll be able to get those last 150 gems

[mental skiff]

[rotund sleet]

missed 600 gems from this too i guess ?

[mental skiff]

No 300 only i guess

You get 600 today or not?

[rotund sleet]

i got 600 yea

today

[mental skiff]

Yeah i think this is like blissful

[rotund sleet]

oh was yesterday only 300?

[mental skiff]

yes

miss 3 scout ticket and 300 gems

[rotund sleet]

that’s oke i have like 700 5* scout tix

so i think i lost 530 gems all up

not bad

[mental skiff]

I think we have 2 log in bonus

[rotund sleet]

other one ends at 1/1

so all good

[mental skiff]

might need to see if christmas log in isnt tight

[lapis pine]

So many gems today

Feeling good

After ages of struggling to save and spending every gem I’ve got at every opportunity I’ve chilled out a bit and have started zenning again

Currently at like 10.3k which isn’t lots but I want at least a pity going into half anni

[wind nymph]

9.4k gems today extra pog

[lean mango]

Great progress everyone

[tardy fiber]

73,765 gems...also formed my bp rainbow ticket today

But i will wait datamine before using it

[mental skiff]

wait half anni datamine tho

[tardy fiber]

But half anni, I probably gonna be close to form another one that time

[mental skiff]

you buy bp bundle?

[tardy fiber]

Not for now, but i not sure if i will next year...not sure which is worth, coin bundle or bp+basic bundle

Second option is cheaper

[mental skiff]

then it will take long to form another tho

Around 4 month

[tardy fiber]

I thought we got 3k bp on average monthly?

[mental skiff]

Yeah

3k x 4 month = 12k

[tardy fiber]

Hurm should i buy bp bundle then...i can use those coins and other free gifts

[mental skiff]

👀it is too costly tho

I dont think half anni has BP unit but who can say

[tardy fiber]

Still cheaper than 20 days yellow coin bundle

[mental skiff]

[tardy fiber]

Hurm so full 10k BP have 10 strike/tech/support coins and 5 yellow coins

35 coins in total

Plus bp rainbow/normal tickets and stuffs

Can form probably 9.6k bp in 2 months if buy the bundle three times

Thanks, i might buy that offer next...at least until i 3/5 all bp master units

Kinda good for me because i like bp master units, and kinda cheaper than using a yellow candy on them for move levels

[mental skiff]

whatever suit you best

[tardy fiber]

But man...paying money for extra 1200 bp does stings

Maybe i wont buy it

[upbeat lotus]

Its not good compared to other bundle

[tardy fiber]

Yep the other 2 have better value

I gonna see my faves condition next datamine

Would be neat if got select scouts that have units that i not yet 3/5

The ones that i need in fair select are:
Ssleon 2/5, djgloria 2/5, sskorrina 1/5, sshilda 1/5

Seasonal select:
FallIris 1/5

Others are bp master units and master fairs

But hurm if they make master fair select, i would skip

It probably way pricier

Might cost 10k paid

[upbeat lotus]

I hope SS Korrina or SS Steven are included

In the scout

[tardy fiber]

Yep, pretty sure sshilda wont be in there but i have hopes for ssleon/djgloria/sskorrina

Like recent fair select have gioking, ssmorty

[oak crest]

with the release of the 2nd anni MFs, I probably won't need MF select if they really decide to drop 1

the only MF pairs remaining that I want are from the 2nd anni pairs

[reef river]

Have they done any monthly pokefair banners with a featured unit that isnt in the trainer lodge?

Its been cynthia, N, raihan, and marnie right?

[oak crest]

hmm, i wonder what they will do for next month

since dawn is a general pool unit

and those 4 have all been featured each for the past months

[mental skiff]

Yeah

In that order

[reef river]

So next month will either be a non-lodge unit or

Itll be a cynthia upgrade

Cynthia still hasnt gotten 4/5 5/5 grids

[drowsy saddle]

They can just cycle through them without upgrades

[reef river]

Dev letter specifically said there will be an upgrade

To the featured fair unit

[drowsy saddle]

Hm, misread that one at first, fair.

[grim plover]

Guys i will have like 12k paid gems for NY, do you think I could get something with that?

[tardy fiber]

Well last year's ny select scout both cost 5k each

So you can get those if it happens again

[vestal leaf]

Weren't those 5 and 3k?

[tardy fiber]

Nope that's on anniv

Last January both costs 5k

I got my first N from it

[vestal leaf]

I see

That's one seasonal rerun stepup worth

[tardy fiber]

Seasonal rerun step up costs 10k in total iirc...i buy it for sc pokewar rerun

[vestal leaf]

Ye

2 selects Vs one stepup

[tardy fiber]

Step up for seasonal only worth if got plenty of faves in it, i did mine because i need dupes of scguzma, scdiantha, schilda and thank god i got all 3 and manage to 3/5 all of them

Only sc kinda worth i think, because seasonal tier will have a lot of units in the pool ...like xmas rerun

[vestal leaf]

I saved up for 2 years

For palentines rerun

So I'm definitely going for it

Since I have none of them

[split thicket]

Hey, is Google a reliable method of converting foreign money into USD to be sure on how much I'll be spending on gems?

[mental skiff]

👀 i thought they have fixed amount of your-country-money you have to spend

Different country receive different offer tho

[deft glen]

This might be helpful for you https://discord.com/channels/583120259708616715/1010215980175208468

[signal halo]

I am close to achieving 80k gems and now that I figured that the goal of being an Unova collector was more of a means to an end, rather than anything else

I feel a bit void, as far as it comes to finding a big goal

[tardy fiber]

Well your goal to make 18 offtype teams from before already kinda big

[feral vale]

Hit the 30k mark thanks to the present!

[robust plaza]

Gem count. I think I forgot to play pmex yesterday so I missed some gems

Can someone tell me how much gems were gained yesterday? I just want to know

[drowsy saddle]

Check pins for daily gems

[robust plaza]

damn I missed 500

[viscid flare]

Man havent logged on a few days

Ill get the free 3k tho

[sturdy flower]

meanwhile I'm going to reach 140k this year maybe

yep, 2k left

if Lillie doesn't tempt me before

[summer goblet]

Nice saving everyone

Always have a goal to reach your desired gem count

And the unit you want

Also, remember to login every day to maximize your gem count

[little briar]

the 3k got me to 40k so I'm doing nice so far imo

[tough oriole]

Very soon there are gonna be less units that I want

[summer goblet]

same

i'm honestly reaching at my pinnacle if unit collecting and feel like going to save hard like Chest unless an op fav comes around

or a unit that breaks meta again like Ash and Red

i just need to collect the Bug Train Bros, Pal Bea, both Dojo Gloria and SS May, anni Skyla and of course the elusive MayBun that I'm been hunting for years long with Mask Royal

oh yeah and Gen 9 characters to fill the theme skill

[tough oriole]

Imagine having masked royal

[summer goblet]

yeah, i mean i don't really need him per se

but i do want him

but i'm going to be patient and keep on grinding through legitimate means

[tardy fiber]

Im willing to switch my masked royal luck with a burgh luck...my burgh still 1/5

[signal halo]

I think mine is 2/5

Mr is 3/5 as well. I feel quite lucky with my spotlights, missing very few key grids and only the last 4 spotlights, along with lillie

[summer goblet]

i have 0/5 Mask Royal since June of 2020

i even gotten ||Maxie and Archie before him on their rerun banner||

[tardy fiber]

I still got 0/5 looker, gordie, melony, hugh, colress

And last month poma day gave me courtney 1/5

So i guess i will keep buying poma day multis

[mental skiff]

i have to skip...every gems matter

[lunar topaz]

What’s the most amount of paid gems you save?

[cunning swan]

Me with 0 Phoebe. Phoebe!

I understand not getting some of the recent spotlights but I still don't have Phoebe after over a year of playing

[sturdy flower]

that's the outliers tho

we all lack different characters

[rotund sleet]

reached 2 pities

[deft glen]

I'd trade my 12/5 Regular Dawn for 2 Sonia and Olivia copies

[summer goblet]

that is why i never skip log-ins ever

i have an obsession in collecting and maximizing my gem count as much as possible

[cunning swan]

2 pities worth of gems! ready for new years, though it's unlikely I will pull anyway

[sturdy flower]

i'm just wondering what's after new years

there's enough time for VA

[cunning swan]

Still high on hopium that even Nate gets some appreciation

UnoVA may be over but Nate's suffering is not

[summer goblet]

prob a random story event, Neo Champion or solo event

there is not going to be VA cause Dena did not say so on last Dev letter

[tough oriole]

Same lol

[sturdy flower]

hmm, but they talked about the current letter

and there's another one on the 1st

it would be weird to have 2 neo champion events in a row (these will be all MF, probably)

and then there is early february slot

so unless it's a region reveal 🤞🏿

[cunning swan]

Boy I hope neo champion alts won't strictly be MFs

[mental skiff]

Neo mean MF

[summer goblet]

well

at this rate

i may even consider skipping MF and enjoy the sunset

[mental skiff]

Master Fair..more like Mid Fair

[sturdy flower]

i wish new strikers had anything going for them other than marginally more damage

[mental skiff]

striker + random tool = tech

Everything gonna turn into tech

[sturdy flower]

sadly

some of the more offensive techs could be strikers at this point

[tardy fiber]

Cannot wait for poma day, gonna co-op again

[lean mango]

Time to show off Glacia again

[upbeat lotus]

1230 gems today

[lean mango]

Will be so close to 90k

[summer goblet]

370k so far

just need 2000 more to safely secure 2 pities

i just pretend i don't have 300k gems right now

[mental skiff]

Do we have free 3k gems on jan 1st

👀someone said it is partern

[summer goblet]

we don't know

[cunning swan]

They said I could be anything I want so I chose to be a tech

[tardy fiber]

Woohoo can spend my 99999 sync orbs, time to grid janine

[chrome nest]

I’m a clown

[tardy fiber]

Woohoo got my first looker, 2 months straight poma day delivers

[lean mango]

At least I got 3/5 Sidney but no Looker

[tardy fiber]

I guess i gonna be Poison MaX

I even got lodge marnie

[lean mango]

WHA

Give it to me now.

[chrome nest]

I summoned on ss hilda and got her In 9K and I was a clown because I could’ve save those gems to get ss N easier and then Anni N rerun is announced

I’m a clown

[summer goblet]

well, sometimes we lacked forsight

and let our instinct and fomo kicks in

[mossy pecan]

The save begins. I will update my name with my goals at meeting them and plan to use this channel a lot because the support is great. Wish me luck

[chrome nest]

And now I wait till I have enough for Anni N

[signal halo]

Today I got to 80k

Which is the highest amount of gems I've ever had

I still wanna spend them to get Colress, since all I could get from the 10 pull was SS elesa 2/5

[restive hull]

Got C.Calem, now its time to start saving

[signal halo]

Ccalem is a question mark for me, still

[tardy fiber]

I just realised, i didn't claim hugh and colress sync orbs from their event shop before this...i should have claimed it because they are spotlight units that i might get in the future

[tough oriole]

Maybe it’s a good thing, considering you might cap out otherwise

Also you could use the event tickets for instead

[sturdy flower]

they really need to increase that limit

[tough oriole]

Yea, it’s only like 15?

[tardy fiber]

Pokemas day cut down my sync orbs a lot from 99999 to 70k+

[tough oriole]

[sturdy flower]

99999 so like 13 pairs

[sturdy flower]

it will stop cutting them down soon

[lunar topaz]

I had 70K sync orbs now have 36K lel

[tardy fiber]

Yep only few units left without grid

76480 gems today

Cannot wait for datamine

[tough oriole]

Maybe that’ll mean that they can do more grid expansions

[tardy fiber]

I will at least get 2 free units next month, lodge dawn and the event unit that they tease in dev letter

[tardy fiber]

And maybe rerun Jessie James

[sturdy flower]

the whole time I was under impression Hearts United starts a day before the datamine and expected to get gems from there

[mental skiff]

30th

So new event will take place atleast on 3th or 4th....

[upbeat lotus]

no it will be on 1st

[mental skiff]

Hope i can get 1105 gems

[sturdy flower]

the event is tomorrow, same day as datamine

the 30th is EB

[mental skiff]

wow... the event such then because i only see 580 gems there

[sturdy flower]

probably 50 per mission

it is tomorrow

[chrome nest]

The Anni EB rerun is my revenge

[oak crest]

we getting data update by the next reset too

[nocturne spade]

I need spending advice, so would u guys spend 100 paid gems on the pm day scout with guaranteed 5 star OR do a paid daily summon every month on a limited unit? The answer seems obvious but problem is I just don’t rly need gen pool units anymore besides the newest ones

[timber wren]

if you don’t need the gen pool units anymore then you can skip the monthly paid banner, but u also don’t think dailies are worth it

recommend saving for a select instead

[mental skiff]

👀 do 100 gems per day for limited unit seem like a bad deal tho.... at maximum they run for 30 day = 3000 gems for x30 pull without guarantee anything. 3000 gems can be used for selected scout tho

[timber wren]

if you’re doing one daily per month for a year that’s 12 pulls, and at 2% rate you’ve got a 22% chance to get at least one featured unit. so not great

[feral vale]

Better to guarantee the unit lol

[nocturne spade]

Yea I forgot to mention I just meant like once a month I do prioritize saving paid gems for select scouts but I consider pokemas day like my cheat day

[nocturne spade]

That 22% is tempting..

[mental skiff]

use 100 paid gems on daily of limited unit if you plan to go for pity... Save you 200 non-paid gems to go from 399 to 400

[drowsy saddle]

You mean that 78% of failure

[mental skiff]

i dont think it is 22% chance for 12 pull... Imagine 50 pull is 100% chance

i think it is more worse if we do the math

[drowsy saddle]

2%*12 =24%, not 22%. It goes down the more you pull, so you wouldn't get to 100%

It's actually around 21.5%

[nocturne spade]

U right. Sad truth is they both are a waste of 100gems, one is high risk high reward and the other is no risk but the reward is not worth much to me at all but Idk I’ve decided I need to satisfy that urge to pull

[mental skiff]

Darn i should learn better on probability math will believe in you then cause math is my worse subject

[mental skiff]

👀only one 100 gems daily on random unit per month?

[drowsy saddle]

It's 1 - (0.98)^x, where X is the number of pulls.

[mental skiff]

sound right

[drowsy saddle]

You basically find the probability of not getting a unit X amount of times in a row and substract it from 100%, i.e. 1.

[mental skiff]

let me read the document again... seem like poma ignite the passion for math in me

[upbeat lotus]

Math

[mental skiff]

Great tool for saving gems

[gloomy holly]

Hopefully later's datamine doesn't have a banner I like

[mental skiff]

ok i read document yeah seem like this is the chance

Nice rikko

[timber wren]

yep, i rounded for simplicity

[mental skiff]

I just realized the chance to reach pity without getting featured unit is super low like 6.6% (on pokefair) and it happened to me twice... so screw you the universe

[timber wren]

right, and then for MF banners it’s around 24%

which is why so many people end up pitying those banners

[mental skiff]

oh i miscalculated yeah should do 1%

Seem like master fair is terrible deal

[timber wren]

why we always stress “don’t pull without pity”

[mental skiff]

now i buy it

[split thicket]

Just bought the Story Bundle thinking that it would encourage saving to preserve the paid gems...
But I've already spent 100 on Masters Day and the Daily Discounts?
Gimme advice...Should I only use dailies on potential favs or just not pull dailies at all?

[mental skiff]

it is hard to save paid gems tho... I got ash bundle 1000 gems and burnt it all on daily x10

[tardy jolt]

Dailies are a waste, save for selects

[timber wren]

if you’re not buying paid gems often it’s much better to save them for limited selects which guarantee a unit

(even if you do buy them often i still don’t think dailies are good value but that’s a personal opinion)

and we’ll probably see limited selects very soon since the update is tonight

[gloomy holly]

What do you think are the banners for Januray?

[feral vale]

Other than the leak, not sure.

[mental skiff]

New year rerun for sure

[timber wren]

not really worth speculating since we’ll know in like 11-12 hours

[feral vale]

Yea

[sturdy flower]

pls Kalos csmm and Drasna spotlight

[signal halo]

For January, all I hope for is a pokefair I can 100% pull on, no regrets

Even if it's from the lodge banner

Since they went through all the currently available pokefairs there

My main question would be who goes to lodge

And if I should spend a full pity to grab colress

In case I get said pf earlier

[mental skiff]

you should pull for colress tho since you have pity and you talked about it ever since... Wait for datamine tomorrow to choose banner

[signal halo]

Yeah, colress and Hugh are really my biggest priorities

I don't fully regret skipping both, but I can't be at peace until I have them both

If I somehow go to lodge, every copy there but Cynthia's would be valuable

[mental skiff]

well just choose banner you want except MF i guess since it is brutal

[mental skiff]

if you want both Coloress and Cynthia from lodge banner that wont happen

[signal halo]

Cynthia is the only pair I don't want for now

[mental skiff]

0.036% or sth for cynthia and cloress not much better

[signal halo]

From lodge

It's like 0.12%

I am saying that should say, N, Raihan, Marnie or new pf appear

I'd be fine

If it's Cynthia, then I'd have to wait for her 5/5 grid one day

Which isn't all that bad regardless

What I actually want is Colress and Hugh

Dream banner would be getting pokefair and one of them

But odds get a bit too weird to calculate, so I don't know how likely that is

[mental skiff]

Ah 0.13% for cynthia and same for cloress and hugh.... Total 0.39% better than the chance of specific winter banner unit

[signal halo]

If I were to add everything I would like to see, it's much better odds

[mental skiff]

Ah if count Marnie, N, Raihan... Total 0.8% i guess

May be next month feature unit good then

[signal halo]

Aaron, Kiawe, Gordie, melony, Marnie, N, Raihan, Lillie, Bianca, Olivia, Colress, Hugh

[mental skiff]

[signal halo]

That's pulling a banner with 3,5% odds of getting something nice

I think I could stretch it further all the way up to 4%

[mental skiff]

well up to you

[signal halo]

So odds of getting a full on shaft go down to 0.4%

[sturdy flower]

you need new hobbies man

you spend too much time thinking about the banners

[signal halo]

I do have other hobbies

But they tire me after a while

[sturdy flower]

i just see a new unit i like, give it a week and then pull

if I'm unlucky i stop pulling for 2 months

while keeping 2 pities of safety

then i force myself to use it a lot in csmm, lg

and if it was a bad choice I won't go for similar unit again

SS Gio

[signal halo]

My pull history usually has useful pairs among them

I can't remember a csmm run without SS kris

SS lyra was almost in every run until I decided to on type only

[sturdy flower]

these are universal, yes

[signal halo]

Ingo and Emmet are bread and butter rock weak, Ingo also finds way in ground weak

And if I really really need it, elsewhere too

Ash and sst Red are the electric weak doomsday

[sturdy flower]

you mean any doomsday

[signal halo]

Or, if I really can't help it, my grief offtypers

[sturdy flower]

sst red soloes any stage

[signal halo]

But so far I managed to pull off every week

[sturdy flower]

ontype is very easy

[signal halo]

N came along with Marnie, Raihan and Cynthia (yes, all 4). N and Marnie ended up being in LG whenever tornadus is up

[sturdy flower]

500 dps turns into 1000

[signal halo]

Raihan was my savior against sentry entry glacia

And Cynthia is my to go ground pair

Before the boost, I found much easier to go for offtype Cyrus than ontype silver

Silver had like Blaine

Cyrus had SS Kris and a better kit

[sturdy flower]

because Cyrus dps is more than 2x of Silver iirc

[signal halo]

Since even after the boost he still is stronger than the red rubber chicken

But ho oh stops being a liability, at least

By far, actually

[sturdy flower]

it nukes way harder than Cyrus in sun

[signal halo]

I wonder how good of a nuker Cyrus is in zone

But like

If you have both dialga and palkia together

Whatever stage you're facing will crumble in seconds

[sturdy flower]

Dialga more than carries even Iris

[signal halo]

You mean iris and haxorus, right?

[sturdy flower]

yep

[signal halo]

I fear hydreigon would be in that same ballpark

[sturdy flower]

camm is really easy

[signal halo]

I still feel uncomfortable on typing

Fairy feels outright cursed

[sturdy flower]

hope the replay feature shows good non whale clears

pull the next fairy striker or tech with dps move then

easy

[signal halo]

I'm low-key praying for a Bede rerun

Since he also happens to fill my novelty of canon pairs

Which I won't care as much about for a while, until I'm satisfied with all my teams

[sturdy flower]

he isn't that good

[signal halo]

If he can't live up to dps sycamore while being like tier 3-2

I'll have to start pestering DeNa weekly to like

Release a fairy Serena alt

Since whatever she gets ends up being busted

Does she have a fairy alt, anyways?

I remember her with base, dragon and now water

[feral vale]

Yes. Whimsicott for Palentine’s.

[viral delta]

I have 85870 gems rn so I should need 23930 to reach 3 pities right? Cause 3 pities is 109800 gems

[signal halo]

If Erika can have multiple grass type pokemon

So can Serena

Give her a 2023 fairy alt and fairy will be at the top of it's game

[feral vale]

If you did the math, then yes

[signal halo]

The first zone + rebuff combo pair

[feral vale]

Serena has enough alts, man…..

[signal halo]

I know

She's just the surefire pair to go for when you want something busted fresh out of the oven

[mental skiff]

Enough is never enough

[signal halo]

Unless they release a fairy red alt

[viral delta]

Absolutely PRAYING January gives us that much so I can get all 2nd anni re-runs (anni N is top priority though)

[signal halo]

Since he's also another game breaker

[feral vale]

I’m trying to get Serena’s alts

[signal halo]

SS red was overwhelming on release, from what I've heard

[sturdy flower]

he's a debuffer and iirc a bit slow, he's the broad versile off type viable tech not pure fairy machine

[feral vale]

Absolutely.

[sturdy flower]

wait for Alola VA it might have Magearna

[signal halo]

So was classic red

[feral vale]

But there’s also Ash.

Oh wait you mean Charizard.

[signal halo]

And now SST red is like the best tech in the game

[feral vale]

Nvm

SS Red is still a hella good DPS

[signal halo]

So red is a surefire pair as well

If you give him wigglytuff or clefable, he'll make them feel like shiny xerneas

[feral vale]

I’d rather not worry about something like that T_T

Other people can have Fairy units ya know

SS Wally is good

[sturdy flower]

fairy is just late to the party

they are afraid of Azumarill

Lyra Azumarill Neo Champion fairy there you go

[signal halo]

I just want DeNa to release something busted that isn't in the fire/water/psychic circuit

[sturdy flower]

...or electric

or dragon

[signal halo]

Yeah, like ash and sst red

They were recent

[feral vale]

They are rare as shit.

[signal halo]

And before them, electric wasn't broken

[feral vale]

Doubt that’ll happen again.

And it’s not like they need to be gamebreaking, dude…

You can clear this game just fine.

[sturdy flower]

some types just concentrate stronger units

[mental skiff]

i just want a good free rock pair

[sturdy flower]

just like how it is in the main games also

[feral vale]

Olivia??

[signal halo]

The thing is

When they release a poison pair

It's ballpark is in something a free pair can achieve

[sturdy flower]

they look at the direct competition in the type

[mental skiff]

i hate sandstorm

[feral vale]

She doesn’t need it •.•

[signal halo]

When they release two new fire pairs, it elbow drops whatever poison has ever achieved

[mental skiff]

she sux period

[signal halo]

I just want types to be treated equally

[feral vale]

Well it’s up to DeNA.

And this is a gacha game after all.

[signal halo]

I wanna have an out of this world poison pokemon

[mental skiff]

free npc pair

[feral vale]

Better than limited.

[signal halo]

Because gamefreak doesn't even bother making poison legendaries

[feral vale]

Eternatus is Dragon in this game LMAOOOOO

Dragon/Poison normally

[signal halo]

And the one that gets to poma, is released as a dragon

Eternatus first type is poison

[feral vale]

Same thing.

[signal halo]

And it doesn't even have poison coverage

[sturdy flower]

but his signature is dragon

[deft glen]

I like nuking with Koga

[feral vale]

Koga works.

[sturdy flower]

first legendary pair always follows the signature move

[feral vale]

Highlander, there’s a fuckton of free pair options, you know.

[mental skiff]

👀poison is not that bad with Roxie grid, Marnie and H Iris tho

[feral vale]

Especially with the new grid expansions.

[sturdy flower]

2 crobats all i say

[deft glen]

I like poison stall too

[signal halo]

I hate using mina and sycamore as damage dealers

[deft glen]

Janine/BP Morty/Lucy

[signal halo]

I wish at least one of the crobats had an EX

[sturdy flower]

then be patient and wait with me

[feral vale]

I swear you worry too much.

[mental skiff]

use lodge lilie

[sturdy flower]

the second i see something worthwhile i will personally dm you

lodge lillie is comfey

[signal halo]

I don't have lillie

[mental skiff]

Comfeitable

[sturdy flower]

yet

[feral vale]

She will come.

Took me a while to get her too.

[sturdy flower]

believe in the heart of scouts

[signal halo]

I think the kind of pair that would solve my constant urge to pull would be a second SS kris

[feral vale]

Tickets!!

Tickets are great!

[signal halo]

And I don't mean c calem

[mental skiff]

[signal halo]

Since he's physically oriented

[sturdy flower]

you will have to wait a bit for 3rd master fair support

[signal halo]

Even something like red works

But red got 4 reruns and I missed them all

[sturdy flower]

it's half anni soon

they won't miss the chance

[mental skiff]

free 100 scout

[signal halo]

I'd hope red is next month's lodge pair

So I get to see what they do with a grid expansion on supports

[sturdy flower]

it's probably a male but not sure if him

[deft glen]

I don't like thinking about that

[mental skiff]

...
...
...
...

[sturdy flower]

hope it's uncle Giovanni

World Takeover

SUPER EXCITING

[signal halo]

Giovanni got Persian and Nidoking released

What would he get as a lodge pair, golem?

[mental skiff]

Bedrill

[sturdy flower]

Nidoqueen

[mental skiff]

Ryhorn not so bad too

[signal halo]

Thinking about it

Both rhydon and golem aren't in the game

[deft glen]

Rhyperior to Palmer

[sturdy flower]

Golem is

as in, the files

Giovanni uses it in Kanto EB

[mental skiff]

download update tomorrow

[deft glen]

Eggmon Golem

[sturdy flower]

right, eggmon too

[signal halo]

I think Giovanni doesn't have a pokemon I'd want him with

[sturdy flower]

decent tank for Azelf

[signal halo]

For now, my villain wishlist would be uh

[deft glen]

I see you have a lot of wishlists

[mental skiff]

Only villian i see join lodge is lussamami

[sturdy flower]

super exciting

[mental skiff]

[signal halo]

Cyrus Weavile, ghetsis Cofagrigus, lysandre and mega Gyarados, lusamine and clefable, Guzma and Scizor and perhaps

Chairman rose and copperajah

[sturdy flower]

Volo and Togepi

[signal halo]

I forgot volo exists

I'd see him with a tank shiny giratina

[sturdy flower]

and the miss fortune sisters

[signal halo]

Altered forme

[sturdy flower]

he seems more like a striker dude

[mental skiff]

Lysandre with Shiny Gyagrados sound possible tho

[sturdy flower]

shiny Gyarados is for Ethan...

[signal halo]

Weavile is my favourite pokemon, there has to be a trainer somewhere who would have it

[sturdy flower]

his neo champion

[mental skiff]

ewww

[signal halo]

For Ethan I just want the glowup Kris got

[sturdy flower]

but he's fireeeee

[signal halo]

I like typhlosion

[deft glen]

Kris got the biggest glow up design wise. I dislike her original outfit a lot but her Sygna Suit is beautiful

[signal halo]

I mean the grid buffs

I like SS ethan

[deft glen]

I noticed when typing, but I wanted to say it lol

[signal halo]

I am tempted to say SS Ethan could be my favourite master fair

But Leon exists and I can't really think about having ash without having Leon

So among mf reruns, he's my top priority

[sturdy flower]

eww Leon

don't talk to me about this

[signal halo]

I am a sucker for fanservice

That's all

[sturdy flower]

i just can't like him, that's all

[signal halo]

Fair

[mental skiff]

ewwww Leon

[signal halo]

Still, I think my biggest priorities are still getting enough busted supports to make anything work smoothly

[mental skiff]

Great mind think alike

[sturdy flower]

my priority is to change my character's hairstyles

[signal halo]

And then get a couple key strong offensive pairs to have my on type teams comfortable enough

[deft glen]

I want to change his clothes

I can't stand his outfit

[mental skiff]

cant

[sturdy flower]

the clothes might come next

[signal halo]

I mean, Raihan has some lodge talk about it

[sturdy flower]

for now they probably want to change color for EX

[mental skiff]

Imagine turn to orange as shiny sogaleo

[signal halo]

Which they likely are waiting for Alola VA

[deft glen]

I think his outfit is the worst out of all MCs by far

[signal halo]

I wonder which kinds of grid buffs solgaleo will get

[deft glen]

Superduper effective 1

[sturdy flower]

hopefully 40+% multiplier

[mental skiff]

👀probably nothing involve sunsteel strike

[sturdy flower]

or even fast track 9

[signal halo]

Super powered 9 when

[deft glen]

Fast Track 2. Take it or leave it

[sturdy flower]

plz no, i don't want to ontype

[sturdy flower]

leave it

[mental skiff]

👀sogaleo is my last steel option

[signal halo]

Then give it the Cyrus treatment

Critastrophe 5

[sturdy flower]

i offtyped with Solga but had steel zone

[signal halo]

I don't have steel zone

Which low-key tempts me to go through the tall order of maxing Raihan out

[sturdy flower]

then don't offtype with him for your own sanity

[mental skiff]

pal marnie sooon

[sturdy flower]

ontype he is enough

[deft glen]

Pal Serena here

[mental skiff]

👀

[deft glen]

Thank God I already have Pal Marnie

I'd go insane if I had to pity for both

[mental skiff]

[vestal leaf]

You'll get more copies

Then

Because it's gonna be a quad

[signal halo]

Quad is like 0.5 each, right?

[deft glen]

I wouldn't mind

[signal halo]

I feel like triple is by far the most generous banner

Specially if you want all 3

[deft glen]

She's 1/5 EX

[vestal leaf]

Triple fair?

Yeah

[sturdy flower]

yes, it is

very good value

[vestal leaf]

Quad seasonal has the perk of having 10k stepup+ regular banner

[sturdy flower]

even if you want 2 and are willing to pity you can get 4-6 random copies of limited pairs

for that reason they always make sure to put old pairs on it

😩

[deft glen]

SS Cynthia 🫠

[sturdy flower]

Gloria, the only steel pokefair

[deft glen]

I remember pulling on one banner with her and SS Cynthia

Getting 11 Surges

[sturdy flower]

wasn't that the one which had only Surge as R

[deft glen]

Probably

[mental skiff]

same

[deft glen]

That banner was one of my beginner regrets

[sturdy flower]

it was SS Cynthia, N and Gloria or something?

[deft glen]

Yeah, that

[mental skiff]

I failed 2 gloria banner till i get her free

Beginner tho

[vestal leaf]

Rahian live reaction:

[mental skiff]

time to leave gems zen

[sturdy flower]

spoilers are poison

tomorrow we work hard

[deft glen]

Yeah, best for me to delete

[sturdy flower]

many sinners will come to ask if they should roll

[deft glen]

49.6k now though

Saving continues

[mental skiff]

fine if in spoiler tho

[deft glen]

Though Anni N kinda tempts me

Not cuz of N or his kit

Just cuz Reshiram is my favorite legendary

Alongside Giratina

[sturdy flower]

Zekrom one of mine but not in the hands of N

i want protag to have it

[deft glen]

I'm neutral towards him

[sturdy flower]

or some random gym leader like Elessa

i just see him as enemy Zekrom if it makes sense

not mine

we have 2 Kyurems though nothing stopping them from Zekroms

[viscid flare]

Back to 150

[lean mango]

Next reset I should be at 90k

[signal halo]

My gem count is at 81k, almost

If I skip Ccalem and jasmine altogether, despite the urge for better supports

I'll be closer to keeping two full pities before pulling

[sturdy flower]

wait for the datamine and then we will talk

[signal halo]

Long waiting hours

[tough oriole]

It’s happening in 2 resets, right? Since they generally use PST or something

[timber wren]

it’s happening in like five hours

[lean mango]

Ye this reset

[upbeat lotus]

Hope there is no random Sonia PF im really broke rn

[sturdy flower]

letter didnt use PST

they specifically said tomorrow is masters day, and 26th update

and it was 24th

they also stated the same day for Lillie

[tough oriole]

Oh right, they said dec 25th update

[summer goblet]

well can't wait to see the datamine soon

that is why i waited this long before making a decision

[tough oriole]

Hopefully no Alola VA for a while

[feral vale]

And if it’s Kalos VA, there better be time in between…

[mighty scroll]

3rd greninja with mega form pls

[feral vale]

Mega?? You mean Ash-Greninja?

[mighty scroll]

yeah but that form is usually related to mega 💀

[feral vale]

No??

Mega implies that it’s a form all Greninja can do through Mega Evolution. Ash’s Greninja is a special case and only for him.

[unborn pier]

Retconned out of all official media and unrelated to megas

[lunar topaz]

What if it isn’t kalos arc next

So they can give Serena and Calem alts for their actual Va

[unborn pier]

It could be a Unova continuation

[feral vale]

Again, UnoVA is over???

[unborn pier]

But Lysandre has also been shown recently so they could do anything

[feral vale]

Why does everyone think UnoVA is gonna continue???

[unborn pier]

Paulo Interlude

Plus a plot hole

[feral vale]

But Paulo interlude stuff is in the interlude, they continued it.

[mighty scroll]

yeah i know. Still a special case mega for him and the kalos village dude.

[unborn pier]

Unless it’s for the finale but they’d have no reason to tease it this early and only for Unova specifically

So there’s def something going on with that

[mighty scroll]

white kyurem master fair pls

[tough oriole]

Such a nice number

[summer goblet]

it sure is

congratz

[signal halo]

UnoVA part 2 would justify my saving

Wonder if they would make it with colress and Ghetsis getting alts

Colress gets a new theme remix, just so they can add the countdown to his music

[flint sparrow]

all my gems would be gone

im saving for exactly that possibility

[signal halo]

I started saving for colress in unoVA

Kept saving because he was a spotlight

[sturdy flower]

you mean part 3

[flint sparrow]

SAME dude im hoping i get lucky getting him somewhere else

if i had any paid gems id have gotten him in the happy scout

but my country doesn't support google play.. augh, what a shame

[hard wave]

Dont think u can choose a pair in the happy scout tho

[tough oriole]

Yea

[flint sparrow]

you can if you do the paid version

[tough oriole]

||It’ll last for all about 3 hours, 🌕 ||

[tardy fiber]

Gonna hopium that MC will arrive with the MC hair customizations

[tough oriole]

EX Strike Gyarados

[tardy fiber]

Ex regirock, cobalion, mesprit, solgaleo

[tough oriole]

EX Strike Goldeen

[flint sparrow]

now THAT'S cool

maybe ex will come with outfit customisation... dena pls

[tardy fiber]

Torchic in shambles

Still no grid

[cunning swan]

and even Nate please. I'm begging

[tawny dagger]

Mega needs a stone

[wind nymph]

honestly, the only unit i want to save for is penny, so that means that other units are just going to be ignored and i'll always have 36.6k fr penny saved

i'll only ever think about pulling other units when i have the other 36.6k saved/ just not pull at all

but i think penny is like 2/3 years down the line idk what if summer archie comes about and he's shirtless??

jk haha

[flint sparrow]

Dena you know what we want

lodge archie

[tough oriole]

As for mega ray, meteorites are stones too

[tough oriole]

“17 more Lillie, Cynthia, N, May, or Steven alts?”

• DeNA, probably

[oak crest]

Can add in Hilda too if she didnt get 2 alts recently in a short span of time

[sturdy flower]

We want Kahili

[tough oriole]

Why would that stop them

[oak crest]

true too

but eventually they will stop for awhile and focus on the other "top faves" first

[tawny dagger]

Ray ate the stone yeah

[summer goblet]

||Plan to spend on something this month||

[tough oriole]

||What is it 👀 ||

[summer goblet]

||Unless you are collecting pass 105k gems and not spend any in which case my bad||

[tough oriole]

Was it a question? ||Look at my username lol||

[summer goblet]

nevermind ||was asking if you were spending this month or not||

lol

[tough oriole]

OMG Anni N is the game’s icon, he deserves it

[summer goblet]

hahaha

yeah

[mental skiff]

Joining poma lounge make my phone lag

[tawny cedar]

Wait is kalos va in jan?

[mental skiff]

Nice skip month

[drowsy saddle]

Here it comes

[tawny cedar]

I'm still dedicated on calem

So I'm prob gonna skip some stuff

If there is another good kalos mf I'm bagging it

[mental skiff]

i love this so far

[tawny cedar]

Yoo Shauna finnaly in

[mental skiff]

Great month to skip for sure

[tawny cedar]

Very nice

[mental skiff]

Free

[tawny cedar]

Imma 100% gonna skip ny this year

Kalos va is more important

[tough oriole]

Why is galarian rapidash shiny

[tawny cedar]

Ok ssdiantha is a mf...

[maiden kayak]

whos the oriocorio fan here

i forgot his name

[tawny cedar]

Pomcorio

[summer goblet]

woo Diantha

i'm tempted now

[mental skiff]

I wait for gems count datamine real datamine

[summer goblet]

if she gets Diancie with fairy types

[tawny cedar]

Alright i really want diantha so I'm throwing a few faves out of my list

[summer goblet]

its intersting

[mental skiff]

god bless Tlim and thanks in advance

[summer goblet]

Carnet's gem count will be lowered lol

[lunar topaz]

Oh my gosh

Let my gems rest

For once

[tardy fiber]

Only 1 fave

Oh yeassss

[mental skiff]

[tough oriole]

Wonder if she’ll be a support

[summer goblet]

if its true for Diantha

[tardy fiber]

Wel my rock team kinda solid so she will be a boost, if worse come to worse...regirock can tank

[summer goblet]

hehehe

[maiden kayak]

please calm down

talk in poma general

[mental skiff]

Oh sorry

Better keep people calm in here

[tawny cedar]

Alright so i cut off a few faves for ssdiantha

After CCalem I'm gonna get ssdiantha and save for summer

[tough oriole]

No favs, which is good since i need to recover

[lunar topaz]

They released

6 of my favs

Back to back to back

Good game design

I haven’t had a rest since SCjasmien rerun

I just want to save!!!!

[tardy fiber]

Only 1 select scout that i need to get for now

Sskorrina dupe

[fallen path]

im trying to figure out the select scouts

[tawny cedar]

I am not even done with calem and they throw diantha at me

[mental skiff]

I fear we dont have much gems with these poor new unit

[tawny cedar]

Praying calem comes soon

[fallen path]

have you got an idea mate?

[lunar topaz]

They released

2 favs this month

Again

[fallen path]

richu, you have to make some tough decisions

[tawny cedar]

Ok only 1 fave this month

And last month's fave

[tardy fiber]

Well some units are server side so we won't know the full list till the date it released

[lunar topaz]

Shauna is a gem pool isnt she?

[tawny cedar]

Wait how long does diantha stay for?

[tardy fiber]

Like last year's N doesn't even show in select scout banner pic

[tough oriole]

Probably

[fallen path]

i have no idea, richu lol\

[tardy fiber]

But inside the pool got N

[tough oriole]

Wait, who are richu’s new favs

Besides diantha and shauna

[lunar topaz]

That’s the 2 favs

But here’s my favs released since SCJasmine !

[fallen path]

aren't you like...very low on gems...

you gotta make a tough decision

[lunar topaz]

SCJasmine
Victor
Lyra & Kris eevee banner
Calem
Serena
Diantha
Shauna

[lunar topaz]

Very

[lean mango]

Well I'm out of commission for a while

[lunar topaz]

At 6K

[mental skiff]

[lunar topaz]

So

If shauna is gen pool I sadly skip that

[tardy fiber]

Well got VA on January so probably more gems than usual

[summer goblet]

time to tactically think

[lunar topaz]

And pray diantha lasts a year and a half

[tawny cedar]

I am going to die lol

[summer goblet]

if Diantha's dps is great for Fairy or rock

[tough oriole]

She is a MF, so she will probably last a while

[tawny cedar]

2 months pls

Like ssrc

[mental skiff]

my happy month this is the first month i have no desire for any pair in anyway

[fallen path]

its a skip month for ya lol

[tough oriole]

But, maybe you should wait until the next datamine to get her

[tawny cedar]

Cuz I'm STILL HOT DONE WITH CALEM

[summer goblet]

i'll grab her if i can

[lapis pine]

Im happy to report that it will be a skip month for me :)

[summer goblet]

gonna most likely skip ny units for me

[fallen path]

if master fairs can come back, they can rerun too

i most likely have to skip ny and 3.5 anni lol

[tardy fiber]

Diantha is a MF?

[tough oriole]

Yup

I think

[lunar topaz]

She’s a master fair

[tardy fiber]

Neat

[lunar topaz]

I

Want to cry

[tardy fiber]

I just hope she's support

[mental skiff]

Her outfit is supa weird

Ex but the crown till pink

[tardy fiber]

Oh i forgot

I can use my rainbow ticket now

[fallen path]

another MF??????

bruh lol

[tardy fiber]

Dupe Cobalion because no new bp master unit

[maiden kayak]

GUYS

[mental skiff]

👀no wait for half anni?

[tough oriole]

Wassup

[maiden kayak]

stop discussing it here like its general please

[tardy fiber]

Cannot my finger too itchy

[maiden kayak]

at least have the courtesy to spoiler it

[tough oriole]

Right

I’m glad i can skip everyone

[lunar topaz]

I wish I was one of those people with like 15 pities

Becauee I have no pities

Actually want to cry

[tardy fiber]

Also a 2/5 coba can have tighten up grid and toughen up

[tough oriole]

Just think of the awful things some of your faves have done, and get them kicked out

[mental skiff]

How long will we have gems count... Just wonder no rush

[fallen path]

to get 15 pities you prob woulda had to skip a lot of favs

or maybe you have too many favs

[signal halo]

I am afraid of a trio I've seen there, but I guess it will likely be a paid select

[lunar topaz]

All my favs/Pokémon are very unproblematic

[tardy fiber]

Yep part of the reason i didn't envy those with huge gems saved, they had to skip a lot of units...well i got plenty faves so its understandable that i only have 2 pities currently

[mental skiff]

Update make my game crash good bye guy

[tough oriole]

I finally got the update

[lean mango]

I'm not a big fan of Diantha's outfit so that marks her off

Gets rid of one worry

[tardy fiber]

Luckily i only see pokemon

[maiden kayak]

yea her outfit is so 0% to me

its like schilda

[lunar topaz]

Does Az floette count as a legend for you no right?

[tardy fiber]

But yeap, hers and hleon outfit are bad in my taste

[lean mango]

It's pretty I'll say that, just not into sleeveless outfits

[tardy fiber]

Hurm thats difficult, not legendary but eternal floette might fit in mythical category but hard to think dena will add it

[signal halo]

Bede appearing on a random banner makes me wonder if he'll be the lodge pick

I mean the featured pokefair

Dawn is a spotlight

[tough oriole]

Cynthia is getting her 5/5 grid, so it could be her

[signal halo]

Cynthia getting 5/5 is dangerous for my resources

But only if she moves up enough

[tardy fiber]

I just noticed something

[signal halo]

And if the bulldozing trio isn't available

[tardy fiber]

No new 3* gear event

[signal halo]

I wanna know if diantha is rock or fairy

[tardy fiber]

If she's fairy, gonna dump her with sycamore team...if rock, she will join schilda and regirock

[signal halo]

If she's fairy, I'll have big chances of going back to 0 gems for the first time since anni

But also depends on her being strong enough

If she's rock my gem count won't tank as much

[gloomy holly]

RIP my gems, and I had to purchase paid gems too for SS May and SS Brendan

[tough oriole]

She’s rock

[fallen path]

select scouts x25

[tough oriole]

Also, both fair select scouts are 5k

[fallen path]

yep

lol

[tough oriole]

Ditto oops

[fallen path]

i was gonna say that

[ashen thunder]

Ssmay is select?

[fallen path]

we'll know what's available in a week

[tough oriole]

Probably

[mighty scroll]

So this datamine confirmed no new master fair banner right? Pls say yes so I can go all out on N 😳

[ashen thunder]

OOF

[tough oriole]

Diantha is PF

Wait

[ashen thunder]

Diantha is PF

[tough oriole]

No

[mighty scroll]

Naniiii I thought pokefair

[tough oriole]

She’s pf oops

[ashen thunder]

Smh

[signal halo]

Diantha being rock means a skip

[tough oriole]

Nope

[signal halo]

Even if rock wish would boost a fave up

[mighty scroll]

Is she a tech or

[fallen path]

everything is a skip i guess lol

[lunar topaz]

||rock Tech with zone||

[signal halo]

Lisia is a fairy striker

[mighty scroll]

I see

[signal halo]

Now it all lies on how strong she is

[mental skiff]

||rock zone ||

[mighty scroll]

I'm happy that sycamore finally got his Ex. Top free support 😍

[tough oriole]

||She does||

[mental skiff]

this is what i wished but not this way

[tardy fiber]

Neat need more tech candies

[maiden kayak]

can yall

spoiler it

[tough oriole]

[maiden kayak]

||tbh i feel lisia is hard to powercreep for dps alone since sheer power of giga impact is not easy to surpass imo with quite high atk too ||

[tough oriole]

||Depends on grid, she’s a seasonal so if the trend continues, it’ll suck||

[mental skiff]

only thing i want now is the game stop being sux... Cant log in ever since update

[tardy fiber]

Sycamore only have ...so kalos VA part 1 only

[mental skiff]

or no boost

No part 2

[signal halo]

No boost would be tragic

[tardy fiber]

Too OP to have a boost

[mental skiff]

[fallen path]

crit squad

[signal halo]

He needs a sync to do what a 3 star pair does with an mp refresh presync

[drowsy saddle]

Team sharp entry 3

[signal halo]

He needs that grid

[tough oriole]

An EX alone largely solves that problem

[tough oriole]

Makes sense, since there’s only one pf and one spotlight

[signal halo]

Until Roxanne gets her EX

[tough oriole]

I’m gonna make a faves list for characters in the next two minutes

[sly breach]

Oh wow January looks packed

[tough oriole]

Anyway guys, it’s been a good run. Keep saving so you can get your favourite faves
See you on the flip side

[signal halo]

Paid selects are really sad to see sometimes

[mental skiff]

im still in fear waiting for gems count

[signal halo]

Gem count might not be super relevant for me

[tardy fiber]

Need to see if there is improvement on move coins amount

[mental skiff]

3k gems fall from sky?

[signal halo]

With some of the choices, I feel like January might end up being another skip month

Which I really dislike

[tough oriole]

I’ll do anything for favourites

[tardy fiber]

Same

[signal halo]

My faves remain as colress and hugh

[copper escarp]

not part of gem calcs?

[signal halo]

There's CIris there, but after thinking for a while

Iris isn't really a pair I want as much as I'd like to just have the full Unova collection

[tough oriole]

Who’s CIris? I only know Iris (Alt.)

[signal halo]

Like she's a step into getting it, bit not a step I'd be particularly eager to take

Champion iris

And hydreigon

[tardy fiber]

Hurm only 1 kalos VA event badge so totally sure now its only part 1

[signal halo]

Guess it's the same

[grand bramble]

So guyz.... Who got rerun in this update??

[tough oriole]

It’s just selects, apart from Bede

[signal halo]

There's the type specific one, isn't there?

[tough oriole]

No? those are only for gauntlet

[signal halo]

Yes, but aren't there 3 pokefair reruns on that banner?

[tardy fiber]

Regirock gauntlet

[signal halo]

Yes

[tardy fiber]

There's normal banner and pokefair banner for Gauntlet

[viscid flare]

Are the rerun fair banners selects or normal

[weary spire]

Welp, I got busy and didn’t claim dailies, didn’t finish CS (only did 6k), didn’t do Masters pulls

[tough oriole]

My bad, didn’t see the type specific one for this month

Nor this month’s gauntlet lol

[signal halo]

Collection wise, it should be the dream banner for me

But diantha, alt iris and Gloria aren't even close to amazing