#Resource Saving Support (Gem Zen)
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We’re still getting plenty of gems this month. If anything else is also a fav, then take these 2nd anni reruns as a reminder that if it’s run before, it should re-run. You’ll have another shot in future
Good 
Jasmine and Calem are my only favs of the month
I think I had a chance at Calem but I forgot tk do villa
So I don’t think it’s within reach unless I spend
Because I don’t see us getting any more like surpise gems for new years
New gem zen rule: do villa first day
It’s so boring!!!
Right yeah, regardless, you ideally wanna push it off to see what you’re working with at the end of everything
And sure, likely skip because you’ll put those gems towards another opportunity in future 
Don’t you have ss ethan
Have some teams you put on auto and let em go at it until you’re done for the day
I do 🦦
still takes like 20 minutes
I also keep forgetting to do dailies
4th day in a row darn
I actually admit I got distracted by chat after doing Lodge and forgot to collect daily reward as well… 
I guess it’s only 80 gems, but still
Those 400 gems will be the reason why I can’t pity Calem I’m betting

This is refreshing, managed to clear EBE without pulling those frogs 
Thanks DeNa for also boosting water and dark types
Love you guys
Im confused with this gem actually, we need to follow the 25th gems or the 31st gems count
Till 25th ok
24k
i am currently tempted to pull for Calem
||Like bruh that outfit is so cool||
Is that your only reason?
if you have ss kris and Ss cyrus..... Then No
hmm alright
Calem's a support, right?
||Yes.||
Which of the Thank You gem purchases is worth it?
Just the first one imo
Is that the best kind of gems deal we ever get from the gems purchase and gems bundle sections?
Not talking about the obvious, I'm talking about the deals from actual paying
The 20 days I know
if thats the case
yes that thank you deal first one is worth it
its actually cheaper than anni iirc
1.5k gems for 3 bucks
Cheaper than Anni?
yea anni is 900 gems for 3 bucks
gem count for today
Thank you DeNa for allowing types, the team i used for water weak EBE have 0 kalos team 
its a pretty good day
Heading towards having more gems than when the datamine dropped, should be at almost 4 pities by the 25 (I’ll be missing 12k gems), glad I can save now
the legendary gem saver Carnet reveal himself to me on Gacha and Flex channel
pretty cool experience
Which team did you use?
Man keldeo pulled thru for me for both ebes
def the unit I will never regret pulling for
||sskris, archie, djgloria||
Even allowing types, the EBEs were annoying
I was lucky to have a master fair for this
Getting them 
In SS kris
I don’t think you’re allowed to show the pictures here.
means it's my mistake for more copies 😭😭😭damn didnt know that
After the 1st pull i have to stop for that right and I need to go for calem😭😭
any suggestions how to save more gems and need to where we need
yes please do not post about pulling results in here
and what is the perfect for pull is it one copy sufficient or more
and yes it’s advised to stop after you get the first copy
unless you are very close to pity and have a good pile of gems saved
generally advise to go to pity if you’re 1-2 multis away and have at least two pities saved
but first copy is enough since you can always candy over time
we get enough coins for one of each candy in less than two months
i have 37000 gems i caught her at third multi but didn't know the need to stop and wasted all my gems for pity
damn now i regrets😭😭
you learned from it tho
yes really feeling bad thow if i stop that time might be able to pull calem as well how stupid i am
it’s an easy mistake to make do not beat yourself up
Do you have the gems for Calem?
There's nothing you can do now, all ya can do is to not make the mistake again
now i have 00
Ouch
yes now i am not gonna make mistakes any more i learnt from my mistake, after getting single copy that moment i am gonna stop
If you want Calem so bad, save back up and skip the others. Other than that, yeah.
Is there any chance i am able to get Calem Also, how can I earn more gems
What I just said.
Save back up and skip pulling all other units. You get gems from doing missions, events, etc.
ok mate i will do the same 😊
not gonna touch any other banner now onwards
and after 1 copy immediately stop
We have around 24k gems till the 25th right
how can we get 24k from which event or upcoming events
ye
do not advise pulling on calem’s banner until we get next update so you’ll know if you can get enough gems to hit pity before he leaves on 09jan
means if am not able to get 36.6k gems should ignore calem banner right?
yep
1% rate means 25% chance to need pity for one copy
could walk away with nothing
if luck won't support
can’t ever rely on luck
i won't waste gems now if i don't have sufficient stock
anyone who’s been playing this game for a while has had to pity a banner before, that’s just probability
and if you can’t get enough for him then you have a good amount saved going into next year when we get NY>palentines>half anni units
I have been playing this game for 5 days, so i am a beginner with this game
There will be times you have to pity, and times where you get what you want first pull. You always plan for the former
if you’re a brand new player then you may have more gems available from first time clears. but i still advise saving for future banners
unless you want to reroll your account for both calem and serena
now i am happy learning from mistakes It is a good thing i am gonna save my gems now
feel free to stop by here if you’re feeling tempted and need someone to talk you out of it
first of all i am gonna learn more and more then gonna decide about my pulls and my games requirements
yes before any pulls I'm gonna take advice 🙂
You honestly have a bit of leeway as a new player. I dont know if you did or are familiar with the idea of rerolling a fresh account
But you get a certain amount of gems right off the bat and you can just remake your account until you get units you are happy with and then keep that account
means playing again with a new account from scratch 😛 no i am not gonna do that i am happy now after getting good advice from u guys🙏😊
Gem zen I am angry at myself again ||i pitied for Calem|| I knew I should’ve waited for jasmine but I really couldn’t I am disappointed with myself I know why I did it but now I won’t have jasmine even though my first priority was her
I’m so disappointed in myself I can’t believe I did this
45,635 gems
going strong for my next faves
16k gems for now, will i hit pity for anni N before dec 25?
When do NY units run in Jan?
Mhm, Anni N runs til Feb so you'll definitely have a pity
Iirc 24060 gems left not counting this reset because it not yet happened
So yep can reach pity before 25 but didnt anniN not yet release by that time?
He is dec 28
I guess just followin the gem countdown
Kinda worry for new year alts
Currently i only got 2 festive season faves. They probably add more on different seasons
Or event like djgloria + sskorrina might pop up randomly and boom 2 faves
If they end backing up with the NY alts plan leek reasons then I'm good on gems
||does the leek said which pokemon will be released? I didn't mind trainers much
||
||No, I'm only aware of who the chars will be||
Oh neat
I still need to worry then 
Well at least the thing i most worried about this month has already passed
Thanks DeNa for easy EBE
doesn't even need the frogs
And my investment on 3/5 Evelyn was worth it for unbending and stalwart
Glad they let the type boosted tradition going 
mhm 
I was worried to use only Kalos, and now can consider water and dark 
I just use djgloria on her
And i wonder why she still tanky, because my djgloria still only 2/5 so only got def debuffs 
I wonder how good I can make Serena a debuffer I've done it before
Saw some clears using may swampert as well
Yoo, will try later
My run was may, ice guard Lucian and 3/5 SS kris
this is the first time in a couple weeks ive had 3k gems
i haven't had over 6k since the anniversary 💀
Not the place to ask but if you’re asking this, if they are not favorite characters/Pokémon I do not recommend pulling for them as meta units tend to get power crept very quickly nowadays even if they don’t fall out of meta there’s the endless loop of a unit getting better than them. Judging by your gem count even if you did really want one you’d only be able to pity for one #1006350210450079784 if you want a non saver advice
I haven’t been below 1 pities since the johtrio Mf units I am so glad I saved
Yes I know it's apparently not place to ask, 2 other people have said it, but thanks btw
Ninja is cool especially the shiny one, but think I wait to see what's next
Could be something cooler like a gen 9 banner?
For sure should save for that, or if we even get a Solana banner
I'd love if they added her, probably never happen though
Hisui first, cmon DeNa...give me the origin creation trio 
Centaur palkia, gundam dialga and centipede giratina 
Thanks Ghetsis !
That’s a whole lotta

Nice,im struggling to collect 200
monthly
even harder now brcause December is a skip month 
Does anyone believe in special day luck (Christmas or Birthdays)
Just same old same old imo
Sometimes if you’re lucky you’ll get a cake
But what if the cake is a lie? 
I can test it on Christmas if I want to
No, I doesn't even get a cake for my birthday sometimes
Still can get pity on birthdays
Can be in many forms (Games, life, etc)
The habits or rituals that i always do is skip gacha animations, usually give me good results and close app after every multis and reopens
I only skip if there's no lightning
And overall I just pull
So far I believe myself to be lucky in PoMa
But this isn't the place to announce pull results
Even from banners that aren't quite available anymore
Well waiting for datamine before pull is also a good habit, not because of luck or what. But you can plan your spending appropriately.
Or is there no problem to say how well it went now that it's over?
I only wait for datamine if there's a reason for second guessing
Tbh I still consider pulling on colress
Not enough gems is kinda a strong reason usually
I do have enough gems for what I could want this month
Then go for it
There's no base pair banner, however
If I have gems and a fave appears, i will always grab them as early as possible
So even if I want sh Greninja or lunala
To took advantage of event boosts and such
They don't fit the bill for canon pairs
Colress is the biggest pair for me between November and December
Followed by hugh
But both are spotlights
Only time I'll ever really grab a fave early is if it's Poison
or a big big fave or event EBE troubles if I have em, but that's only when I have a pity
I get anxious being under pity 
I feel sad that so many faves I have can't be EX or good
Due to them being Unova gen pool
Unova gen pool has like two actually big pairs
3
Celesa, Hilbert and Bianca?
Colress will soon join it, but I don't know how big of a pair he is beyond my fanboyage
Feel ya on that with Glacia, my 2nd favorite character just being really bad before her update
, hope some of your favs will get those big boosts
The reception with Colress I've seen that he's fine
Part of the reason for me collecting legendaries, mythicals, UBs are because they are less prone to be bad units 
it will feel good to exit the month with more gems than I started
What happened to Palki?
Idk
Going in without a pity is the reason why I’m an idiot
But I learned from mistakes
This month feels odd for me
I feel like calem will fill a pretty interesting bit of my account in being another monstrous physical support
But I might be underestimating my physical support roster
While overvaluing my special one
Always good to be working on rebuilding
that's me now
The rest of this month is saving saving saving
actually
hes a very confusing unit to use
in fact this month all units are complicated to use
all the more newbie shouldnt rven think about pullin them
pew pew pew pew pew
I don't feel he's particularly hard to understand
there are some specifics to his teambuilding
kinda like SS Wally
ideally you will want to get 10 hits after round 2 to use zone/rain on the 3rd one
Isn't his hit rate random, unlike Serena's?
it is random from 2 to 5
on the water side at least
and if you want to use dark zone turn 3 you need to use brutal swing, so teammates have to provide 7 hits
yes
I missed that bit
his buff is incomplete though, 4 atk
so chances are you will want to buff on t1 with them too
Multi hitting doesn't sound too painful in dark
Due to the overwhelming presence of brutal swing
Dark void counts as 3 hits as well
Well sscyrus doesn't need to use dark wish anymore and can dark pulse and dark void
makes b move planning annoying
I feel like it's easier if you're using him with Serena and another aoe pair
Serena always hits 5 times, he always hits 2 and then you just need an aoe to hit everyone
At least sounds like the easiest route
As for dark, I imagine him to just need the brutal swing fiesta
Cerena 5, Chalem 2, DGloria 3...
10 hits
Overall there isn't a lot of reason to bother trying to do turn 2 dark zone for calem, from what I see
I fear that in a world where Kris and Sydney exist, there wouldn't be a huge appeal of further investing on dark or water support
At least from where my account is
So far, my savings on 5* power up going well so far, despite have 40
While have 500 tickets for custom power ups
Are you saving those because you ran out of targets, you wanna have them for someone specific or because you felt like it?
Ya I have no interested targets to EX.
I feel like I'd want quite a few more EXes before I calm down
At least all the support ones I can get
I'm also saving my EX materials
I think I have about 115
right now
It's nice to be able to EX faves as soon as they drop
I only have 130
left...at first i was spending them on 3*/4* non
units but i just realised that im just lucky that serena is a lodge guest this month, if its a character that i didn't have, it will cut my
income 
I've finished 20/20ing all the Kalos units (except TL Serena) so I'll be saving them until I get her
Oh right i also 20/20 NPC pairs but Christmas doesn't have one 
I EX faves as soon as they drop, but I never have a three-digit number of 
I just have enough for two or three EX's (outside of impulsively EXing faves)
oh yeah, we got no christmas free NPC 
L celebration
Did you save region tix? I pulled as soon as i formed 30 and maybe thats why i have a lot more 
Only time I’m gonna EX is when what weakness the EB for Galar are.
I'm not spendin my all my tix, waiting fro Colress and Looker to be added
I forgot to play unova dailies so i have 0 unovatix
I save most
I have to focus saving tix on the other regions including the general tix.
I'm only spending on Sinnoh and Hoenn because I'm missing Sinnoh E4 dupes and I don't have phoebe at all
Because so far I haven’t been saving on them.
But hopefully I can stop my urge on using the tickets.
You get used to the red exlamation mark after a while
Also probably because i already have 54 5/5 general pool pairs so i got
often
I still have alotta units from gen pool that aren't 5/5 so 
tho I do get Caitlin weirdly alot
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/616468907355668524/1048449217628213379/image0.jpg
@thorny pelican u have a rival
Oh wow
I wonder who they’re saving for
What if they’re also a Clair fan desperately waiting for the alt she deserves
Probably a flannery fan, she got shafted just like Clair
Whitney fan eating good this month
what if she's an Oak fan
Can confirm they’ve fixed Blossful Bonanza 
How do you get all the content done without pulling for at least a few good pairs?
It just seems to be way too frustrating with x amount of resets though I admire the patience and absurd amount of time one must have for that😬
Most content doesn’t take much resets once you figure out how the game works
There are usually good ways to clear CS and to clear 10 stages of LG with just what you have
That is some mad level of zenning
Many of the free units are really good. Some are even staples.
Yep... Sycamore, cyrus, gio
Most of the freebies have grids now making life better
And most are pretty good grids..like clays
Due to the f2p units being good, i can get by and use my gems to pull my faves 
It feels worthwhile collecting my faves, managed to clear EBE without pulling those frogs
3/5 Evelyn save me this time, it made me pumped to 3/5 all bp master unit faves in the future
I love how, out of all the great f2p grids out there, you chose Clay as the example
Iirc all f2p grid this month is high quality like Janine grid, its good 
Agatha also good
Yeah this month is good
Oh i need to check how many units still gridless
Blaine, Marlon, Maylene, Roark, Torchic, Shauntal, Marshal, Jessie, James
Lorelei
Not sure if i missed anyone else
It had to be chosen😆
Not many gridless ones left... what will they do next though?🤔
Strange
I think they have more gems than me, huh
fr?
Yep, 5000 more
Spends their tickets 
definitely wise
Dunno what the context is, I am willing to believe that's their gem count but zooming in on their 8 and 6 digits is a little distorted
when you're saving that much
190 units
sounds sus
especially when she has 0 paid gems
yeah, unless you get incredibly lucky with tickets that seem very high, unless they made every eggmon

Well they can have 0 paid gems if they spent it all before the screenshot
Probably eggmons
Like i have 208 pairs but with eggmons that i already paired it become 241 in my profile
based fine diner
It would make sense if they were one of the winners from the 2022 New year gem giveaway too 
Probably she doesnt spend on maybunny
Chest have more event badges than her
She only have 74 4* badges
She missed 10 events
They probably don't care about the events
Given they are only PR 129
Do the event enough to claim all the gems and dip
gem count for today
Free units 

Im thankful that DeNa made 14 of my faves f2p and 2 of them spotlights 
no spotlight feels like hisui might be possible
to be honest though, I'm not too sure if its real or photoshop due to the lack of commas and font being a little different. Maybe its a Japanese account thing
but respect to the player who saves this long, let's see if 1 mil is the cap
I was thinking about how to manage my resources in the future and I came to a pretty interesting angle
Looking at my would be future pairs, from my most immediate fave list, I have:
Colress, Hugh, Leon, Ciris, Celesa, Red, Lucas, Lance and Diantha
I also have Raihan and Marnie among my 1/5 limited pairs
Would it be too much of a waste of candies to give my ash 2 and 3/5 so he could be a better tank?
The plan would be to make ash my tank so I could at least have wonkiness and shenanigans while playing him in electric weak csmm
He tanks fine at 1/5
he can solo electric weak csmm at 1/5
if you want him to tank better EX is more of a difference
I was wondering if there was a way to do a team of ash, SST red and N where N actually made a difference
But I guess that would be too much
Urgh i used move candy on wrong character
nvm its still a fave well just gonna redo the 3/5 priority order
If you want n to make an impact, you’ll have to not use those rats 
Candy N and use him with red
Ash can go ham in another team with volkner/CElesa
Tho that's what I plan once I candy N to 5/5 one day
How did you candy the wrong character?
I forgot that i want to 3/5 nita using rainbow ticket and 1 support candy...i accidentally used yellow candy on her, supposed to use it on my 2/5 djgloria
Well now she just up the priority list
And thanks to that, i might can 3/5 another bp master unit before August
Probably Mesprit, it want more help than Cobalion
Hey how do you use your paid gems
Because I pull for a char I like the day they come and I use my free gems so I don't have to use the paid ones
There is none. Just the current general pool one if you really want to pay 3 dollars for a general pool unit
Next month is very likely to have some sort of Pokefair select scout
Day 1 of saving for Calem.
keep at it! 
Well good luck on your saving journey
I’m thinking half anni
Last NY had some select banners so its likely that there are some selects for this NY too
Nice
last NY was the first 5k pf select
Itll be both and the gem count may be higher with the better bundle deals
Maybe 6k paid gems for a 30 pull with a wider range of selects
Id rather they stick to 3k with a smaller range bc i only expect to get 1 unit anyway
I did on Friday.
Sorry for the ping. Forgot to turn it off.
Ah stamina
Only time it makes sense to do so is if you arent a daily player, and buying stamina will get you more reward gems from completing x amount of battles than you did from spending on stamina
Like if you waited till the last day
By the way, Glojo is a canon pair, isn't she?
Iirc she actually wears the suit
In the dlc
Everything in this game is canon in our hearts
don't say that, his gems will go poof
it's canon source: ||it got delivered to me in a dream||
Damn am getting itching fingers
Whats got you itching friendo
Leaving the itch alone for a while usually means the itch fades
Having the canon rule is one of the things preventing me from overinvesting on water and dark
Bp alts are all canon right? Time to 5* 20/20 all of them lets goo 
What do you mean Canon
You mean them using Pokémon they’ve used in the main game?
I think so
Highlander definition of canon is using original pokemon they used and used original outfit
So bp pairs fits
Like holiday jasmine isn't canon
Or CCalem and CSerena not canon
Zinnia probably not canon, only bpzinnia counts
As she never have rayquazza
Preferably using pokemon and outfits they used in game
Outfits are more important than the pokemon, but for free pairs, I just shrug it off
It's more of a rule towards pulling
What if the outfits are new but they have a Cannon move in the kit?
The outfit comes first
You're missing out on Zap Cannon then, such a cool move 
Who has zap cannon?
Possible Colress alt, just an example
I don't have a specific grudge against sygna suits or seasonal outfits
It's just that cutting them off my list helps out immensely
In saving gems
Which also includes cutting pairs that undeniably would be faves
For example: Cyrus and weavile
I double doubt they would release that pair in canon clothes
Same for ghetsis and cofagrigus
Colress alts as well
Which means there's a good chance DeNa can still find something to dismantle my pulling priority
Overall I can only think about exceptions that would make an underperforming pair soar, but so far I can't think of any
I want colress because he's my rank 1 fave and because he'll be a really nice pair to slot as a tank for my physical carries in csmm
Red for making some of my weakest carries function properly
Ig there’s sm colress?
That’s what i meant
I want this, but at the same time I'm afraid if or when they'll come because I collect Kantrio...
Kantrio is my top must-have priority
so please dena if alola red and blue ever come
give me more gems
When they come their battle tree theme should be added as well
Such a banger theme for kanto battle legends


I don't really have gem issues now
What worries me is SS leaf
She isn't canon, but she's the holder of my coveted venusaur
I just really want her, but she's among the sygna suits I wish I had regardless of the canon rule
As for the full list, I'd say uh...
SS Ethan, SS Morty, SS red, SS lusamine, SS grimsley and SS leaf, not necessarily in this order
Ethan likely being the biggest of the list, followed by Leaf, then Morty
Others aren't as much of a priority
Actually
I'd go as far as saying the others wouldn't tempt me, but SS Morty feels like such a big piece on any account, such a quality of life pair, that I likely wouldn't be able to dodge it
SS leaf has one of my all time fave grass pokemon, if not THE grass type
But I don't know if ferrothorn is in the game and they're likely up there when it comes to grass, as well
Yeah, Venusaur is it, with ferrothorn being high up there
Who even uses Ferrothorn in game?
Cilan
Cilan and ferrothorn would be massive
But I guess he'll have simisage most certainly
he can get Ferrothorn as a BP unit
If instead of the 3 eevees, there was a banner with all 3 simis, I'd just go bald
But I'd get all 3
I wonder if I even should have a top 3 for every type
I know I love at least 3 pokemon from each of them without overlapping
And that I already own some of such faves
I'd say I even have all 3 psychic pairs in reuniclus, sigilyph and alakazam
Wishing reuniclus got a glow up
Funny enough… when was the gym leaders last appearance… April?
Because would save my tickets for them. Even if they get the monkeys.
they def get the monkeys, which are their signature mons
Ya I have to agree on that.
new EBE was easy. 
Raihan just shot up massively in my fave list for saving my ass from glacia
Day 2 of saving for Calem.
Had to use Ashchu to off type that stupid battle and it was not even master mode
I had to 150 EX raihan, since mine was 1/5
and come up with the weirdest parameters I've ever used
still, both raihan and alder really rose in my rankings this week
and I've found a new set of parameters to deal with stages that better accommodates them
Venusaur has a gmax form so maybe it comes in another pair
Hope there will be gmax butterfree bugsy alt 
Like red in let's go 
Damn saving for favs Is hard, I just got calem and now have to wait another month without pulling
Ugh im still contemplating whether to save or pull calem
Love black greninja but idk where to use him if i got him rip
Im afraid im going to regret pulling him like i did in groudon, should i save guys?
I guess save it is, this is bugging me as black gre seems cool but kinda useless atm for me
Thanks
If you have such thoughts then it's best not to pull for him
yeah
when in doubt Save.
Does anyone know how the seasonal rerun banner is gonna look? 1 banner with like all past 6 Christmas units or?
We don't know the exact contents or rates of any banner before it shows up. It's server side.
All units in one is likely though
Drop rate doesn't matter
You shouldn't roll without pity anyways
And as long as the limited unit is in pool, you roll for it till pity
I mean a rate lower than Master is unbelievably crappy lol
I mean
What's the point in comparing 1% or 2%
When it takes pity anyways

Also those numbers are so skewed
It's not even smth of a big gap
Ehhhh it does make a difference
Absolutely
Obviously its true that you shouldnt go in without pity
Yeah definitely. Was just curious if I could theoretically have a shot at like 5 others while I get the 400 points 😂 If they do 6 in one I can even see them go as low as 0,5% lol
Theoretical values doesn't matter at all
Like you do a roll
Each roll is still 1% chance
Ofc the collective value always looks bigger
But in the end you are still gambling at 1% chance
Per roll
Well, you do get higher rates with higher numbers of pulls, like ~20% to get a featured via multi pull from 2%.
But higher rates still don't get to 100% unless you hit pity.
And you can only account for future pulls - 10 possible multi pulls raise your chances, while 10 dead multis do nothing.
Y'sure?
Amazing math, eh? It's not totally 22%, but slightly lower
Why get 20% when you can get 80%? 
Is the special battle a daily event?
No
Never pull without pity is a given for sure, but always try to maximise odds
It matters. Else you’d choose a 1% banner for your featured unit while there’s a 2% available
Odds are what we have to face & consider no matter what unfortunately, but we have the insurance of a pity so as to never be at the mercy of them
Even saving tickets for a ticket pool update, there is no guarantee we won’t keep getting the same old units giving us
again & again, but we still consider the raised odds of something new
The last time we had a banner with 6 seasonals, it was 0.33% rate each
0.33% makes it so you have less odds of seeing anything than a single banner
since it ends at 1.98%
sounds completely cursed
that won’t be all the decimal points so I think it should be 1.99% but still ever so slightly below normal banners
oh wait forget that it should be 0.33%
since it’s just 3 recurring my brain blanked
The visible rates are rounded, so if they inputted it properly, it’ll actually be 2%/6 in game, regardless of what it says
it’s in the fine print that they round the display rates but not the actual ones
Yup, that’s what i was trying to say 
Which are the Christmas pairs?
Whitney(3 terrain) and jasmine(se up and smun, pmun)
||Whitney & Sawsbuck, Jasmine & Ampharos|| which are ofc in typical holiday outfits, nothing really new there
||If you mean the ones rerunning, it’d be
Holiday Rosa (gauge accel and random buffs; mostly outclassed by ss blue, but decent for anni steven)
Holiday Siebold (60% burn and strong water nuke at 3/5)
Holiday Skyla (air slash with doubled flinch rates and flying type tri attack with boosted rates. Strong flying nuke at 3/5)
Holiday Erika (draining kiss and 1 time aoe potion, little defensive buffs, generally outclassed by sycamore)
Holiday Nessa (hail and decent dps. Mediocre nuke for a tech, but has a fun physical tank set with ice face + hail)
Holiday Leon (good ice damage with aoe freeze chance. Every time he uses a tm, he gains a PMUN)||
You can check https://discord.com/channels/583120259708616715/1012256199128915968 (datamine summary under #1006331343300473022, idk how else to link directly) for future reference
Yeah, meant those
I think there's only a pair among those that I'd really want due to it being a pokemon fave
If she's strong, I'll have to think
Nope
Far from any threshold
So, general question here
But I don't know how many players try to make pulling rules instead of just a flat out fave list
Because I wanted to have an idea as to when breaking a pulling rule would be decently acceptable
I have fave list, and i will pull my faves if i have pity / have the funds to form a pity / able to form pity with remaining gems in the month.
In case of multiple faves in a month, if i got the unit yet i still have pity / able to form pity through funds or from events before the banner ends, i will go to my next fave in my list in that month
Are there any rogue pairs that could or have swayed you away from your objective?
Even if temporarily, given the 52/52
I already gets swayed in the past so i learnt from my lesson and didn't get swayed again, i got swayed by meta abit especially zone meta when youtubers said zone can be used to boost your weaker faves...i pulled palmarnie and palbea and there's that, didn't get swayed anymore since then
But for recent cases, i got swayed to get more dupes for my faves especially when a candy was formed and it made my fave become 2/5
For my case
I think what makes it hard for me is that the two bigger faves off my list
Are spotlight pairs
That I skipped master fairs just for the chance of them appearing in the game
Colress, namely, with SSA Cynthia and Maxie skipped
Regarding spotlight after careful consideration and cheaper paid gems...i might consider to pull tier if my fave become spotlight. Although lusamine and gladion are also spotlights and faves but when i started playing, they are already in general pool in a while so i just do 5* select for them with 3k paid
It's just that both colress and Hugh are head and shoulders above other pairs when it comes to faves
And I'm a completely f2p player
What makes matters worse is
That the biggest use of one of my limited faves gameplay wise
Can also be completely replaced by a 3/5 spotlight
Namely Ciris multiplier setup for alder
Being done by karen
While any dragon damage she could pull off would be covered by Cyrus or Zinnia
So she really is one of those pairs that wouldn't do anything in an account I still consider incomplete
And I have no clue on what Celesa is supposed to do
I pulled for N, as a fave and noticed that in my account, he's borderline useless
Which made me feel like pulling pairs is made easier when they have a purpose
N still gave me the keys to sigilyph, which feels more useful as a rare sleep pair and his banner gave me Raihan, who was crucial for this week's csmm, as well as Cynthia, who is my main ground carry now
What I concluded is that I wouldn't feel happy pulling for another N like banner for now
On which the featured pair won't find an use in my account
Does champion iris find any niche beyond being a tech dragon nuke and a special attack debuffer?
Talking about this, is raihan a fave? Like i know that raihan and cblue fills a rare niche of special steel and special rock...but because they are not my fave, i still skip them
Because I don't want it to be like Emmet, i pull emmet just for rock 3* gear co-op and after the event is done...i got no use of him
~~Me when I pulled Archie, still regret that decision to this day
~~
Yep i doesn't mind if pull for faves and the unit gets outdated over time but pulling a non fave unit just to clear some event or stuff stings
Cynthia was a fave and Raihan was a liked character that grew a lot on me after being clutch
Originally, when I pulled for N, what I wanted was to get him early so I could spend pity and get Cynthia, which, on top of being a fave, would be also a big help for csmm
Partially due to how much I dislike Sandslash and having to use it
And how much I like garchomp and believe it to be stronger than Sandslash
I think my biggest regret was skipping red and Lucas on the same banner for SS Kris and SS lyra
But recently I've learned how to comfortably slot them in a way that makes them fun for me
Kris in particular, being a sp moves + print machine at 3/5
Was also clutch in helping my ghetsis brute force wise entry
I enjoy the novelty of collecting and playing with some characters
But I really enjoy having pairs coming in clutch and filling critical slots in my account
12k gems reached
next goal is 15k
||i shouldnt spend 6k on Calem and Serena, tho i got Calem||
Good luck on your saving goal!
My current goal is two pities worth, I hope I don’t get tempted until then.
we need to stay strong
Calem and Serena are both favs of mine
Calem is a huge fav and I want to be conditioned to like Game Serena. Zerena rerun is what I’m mainly saving for, but SS Calem is also probably gonna happen.
So predicting both at the same time, and hoping for one if not the other for Kalos VA
Will get extra 500 gems in few days due to 10/10 level 100 lodge guests
Lodge coming in clutch
Probably can get 2 pities for January's stuffs
Plus 2021 EBE gonna be easy due to i have all of those MF
Hopefully lodge adds more people coz I am running out of people in 3 days
Ye right about to finish Serena already 
Same
I am only missing Marnie out of lodge and I don't want to roll the shitty Pikachu clone 
Dunno if they'll decide to do a f2p/gen unit next month but if they don't gotta hope it's Steven
Steven grid expansion 
aw hell yea 
But who would be the lodge unit
Inertia and TM berserker bunch 6
Lets go
or mon
3 Lapras before 3 Crobats 
Wouldn't mind that, I like Espeon more of the bunch
Red and espeon variety scout
I'm unsure why I'd propose my own ruin, but
Simipour, simisear and simisage variety scout
With cress, chili and cilan
It's unova
So gotta give em to N, Hilda and hilbert
Hope they'll be gen pool
Funny weird monkey guys
With pledge moves 
Pledge moves could bring the combos from coop into single player
Oh right talking about those, we are also missing fusion flare and fusion bolt
Saving is going well
Nate and white kyurem will have it
Hope nate gets Meloetta or Terrakion
Seeing the rockets makes me wish there was a team rocket rerun
Having Jessie and james is veteran flex 
Hope so because i also miss Jessie and james 
Im not so veteran but i can flex bugsyther 
I don't have bugscyther
Oh yea bugsy hasn't rerun either
Kalos cs, wikstrom scizor
Scizor is a dangerous pair
Datamines also include opponent Pokemon
Pyroar, scizor, talonflame...kinda kalos cs vibes 
Or maybe kalos VA
I like that they might introduce chairman rose for galar VA
I wonder which pokemon they will give him
Team Rocket rerun when 
Imagine not having team rocket pair
Gmax copperajah


That's a good bet
Just build time machine
Part of reason why I even bothered to gamble for Ash is he's anime collab
Just like team rocket 
I think Alola VA might mean the coming of nihilego to the game
Wish they dropped during anni with grids and shit
Team rocket and Bewear could very well be an Alola VA thing
I just wanna see them together
Bewear is anime exclusive so it probs wouldn't be a thing unless an anime collab drops due to alola content
Which I highly doubt
Yep bewear in pomas is probably with sawyer
So
The only way I can think of that tapu Koko makes ash and sst red even more insane
Is if it's a tank terrain setter on start that does electric rebuff shenanigans
Red already sets para aoe
It just allows him to do stuff even faster
Tho tapu is a popular offensive unit in main games
Yeah, and Giratina is a tank
Well giratina is still more off a zonebot atleast
They should have swapped everything from SSA Cynthia into giratina
Wut
Stats, kit
No
I like the current kit
No thanks
Ghost is shitty typing
It's not like main games
I wouldn't have bothered with giratina if they released her as a defense oriented support coz outside ebe I'd never touch that unit
I want to use my favs
Not keep in a glass case
Ghost type still has gas left in the tank to turn around
However, I don't see poison recovering
Unless Alola VA does a miracle
Poison in main games have always been used as a coverage move
Between nihilego, plumeria grid expansion and Toxapex
PoMa doesn't need to be like that forever
They could at least release a powerful poison tank
Well peak poison Pokemon in main games is that dragon UB
And we already got it
We actually have an OP poison tank
Peak would technically be eternatus
But they decided eternatus had to be dragon n° 854
Despite having poison as it's primary type
I am quite certain e beam is dragon move
So not like they have a choice
Maybe poison shiny eternatus

Like how they released ho oh as a tank
They would make it a dragon support before tipping the scale towards poison pairs
Not everyone has lucas
Thats a u problem
All that is left is SS Morty and I'll have the weather trifecta
Dragon Defo need support
Drake suks 
Drake needs mega salamence
I'd like for poison to have their own carry
Best ground, steel and poison type at once
Instead of relying on a ground pair to do their work
The best odds for a strong poison pair is iron moth
Which is from an unreleased gen (in poma)
Talking about water move, cannot wait to see Volcanion's steam eruption for kalos VA 
Is holi skyla getting a re run?
very likely she will be in the super seasonal banner with other 5 old holiday seasonals
Nope i ain't even trying to pull on that
save a pity for that banner or pull the paid ones 
If i get jasmin early then maybe i pull but knowing my luck i doubt

I love your optimism
But i'll kindly remind the audience about Seasonals being the devil i.e. they lure you in with sweet seductive lies, and right when they have you...THEY LATCH ON and drain your gem storage/wallet dry.
if you can't pity it, don't bother
If jasmine is a fave and you can pity, go for it
@compact pasture my god, it's our Christmas too, not just DeNa's😂
Is it worth to use paid gems to get a copy of HLeon
I have candies but I have several strikers that need them
do you already have him?
Yes
then 10k paid for one strike candy does not seem remotely worth it
he may end up being in a seasonal select at NY as well
Is there a seasonal select at NY?
We don't know
there wasn’t last year but we got them at half anni and anni this year, and they’re putting out more selects these days
if you have the ability to get that many paid gems anyways then wouldn’t the candy gem bundle be more worth it
since it would get you 7k paid plus a whole candy
then i think your limited paid gems would be better spent on limited select scouts coming at NY and half anni
rather than dumping nearly all of them to get a dupe of a unit you already have
Yeah dont ever use your paid in regular banners
Regular banners dont guarantee anything
they’re asking if it’s worth it to do the tiered rerun
That one is p bad
U could do 2 5k selects for the same price
10k is a lot of money
essentially $10usd for a strike candy
that’s $18usd for 7k paid and a candy yeah
I dont plan to pull for them, but r lodge banners worth it?
Sorta
Thats a way better deal
They are just pokefair banners
8 dollars for an extra 7k+ better candy instead of 10$ for only a red candy
Well 3$ is 3k gems
true it’s fairly equivalent
So 19$ you get a candy and 9k
personally i think the candy deal is not very good but i’m stingy with my candy anyway
Same here
Its too much tbh
And realistically im omega scared to use my yellow one
|| Mind the datamine to determine units to be mine, on my mind ||
|| u’ve ady read the above, yes? Thx ||
I use it in my absolute favs
But yeah, I will save for a 3k select banner
If NY or the other VA don't have anyone I like I may do some rolls on the Leon banner with free gems
Im like scared that another unit with a bonkers grid is gonna appear just as soon as i spend it
I believe the yellow candy, for me, specifically, is best used on supports, due to this feeling of a support candy shortage I have
I was wondering
Is redlax a shortcut for 17 csmm on type teams just by virtue of his seup buffs?
Asking because if jasmine does the same, then she could be high up in priority for me
Due to pushing me closer to two goals at once, despite not being on my (short) wishlist
You can still only use him once, so 4/5 teams won't have seup. You either can clear without him or you can't.
I don't have many types left who need such a boost, but it would be nice if he helped
The gist of it is that I wanted an universal support who could pick up any offensive pair in a sorry state and bump it into viability
As in comfortably clearing csmm with stuff akin to offtype looker
Just on-type instead
Do you not have enough on-typers for something?
I feel like fairy is one of my weakest types overall
Have you used Mina?
No, I've recently gridded her
Mina is a good F2P choice according to others I’ve asked.
Fairy is kinda weak
For now
Whenever xern gets his power boost its gonna be a whole different story
Ex support + a decent moonblast dmg
Also quite tanky so u can hit strong lots of times
mina is a good option and so is lodge lillie if you have her
monotype fairy lacks good offensive supports too
I don't have lillie, nor her lodge self
it's the only lodge pair I'm missing
I guess the best special option I have for now is to push it with sycamore, ss kris and lucian for max damage possible
It's better to just offtype at that point
it's not about the type, it's about the damage
and with proper support even eggmon can do enough on type 2k
just play for another year and pick up maybe 4 max "meta" (or any, really ) supports/debuffers
and if you are lucky some of these will come to the gen pool, like your Colress
from gen pool, I think I'm missing two karen copies, colress, melony and that's it, for strong pairs? unless gordie is strong too
also hugh and ss grimsley among the pairs I have no copies of, but want to have
lillie too, forgot lillie and that altaria lady
Lisia 
Gordie is strong, but in fire
I await ticket pool updates so I can get Colress and Looker
I got looker on my most recent pulling session
there are some other dupes I wouldn't be sad getting, like 3/5 on kiawe, sabrina, ss erika
luck has been low, lately, however
with tickets, at least
For now, it’s just good to make do with what you have, even if you have to off type.
We do tell people to save for favs because of content being cleared with F2P after all 
Yeap i had to offtype Glacia because hop+gloria+djgloria had some trouble...maybe it will change after i got 3/5 djgloria and hop

You got this! 
Well i can do this over time i think, because i got too many unreleased faves in line...but them being unreleased yet doesn't mean i can have fun with my current resources to pull non fave s
Later when they were released, i got 0 gems 
Yeah I understand the struggle.
I was a dumb as shit player who only barely got some favs despite not being a good saver at the time, and I don’t want to be unprepared again.
Hence why my goal for saving right now is my biggest 
I just hope they release another fairy fave
...my only fairy is sycamore and he is a support 
Oh you don’t have Mina? •.•
Magearna, Enamorus...not sure who else might be fairy legendaries
Granbull isnt a legendary so i dislike using her, i rather offtype than using a non fave 
I’d like a better Sylveon, please and thank you DeNA
Sure, in variety scout 

variety scout more like lack of variety
Well as some of my faves don't have
, i already cope with it...i just pair them with other faves that need to
sync first 
eX sync
fairy needs Azumarill with huge power
Like how Azumarill dominated the Charizard Raids in SV

neo champion lyra
Give me my enamorus and magearna DeNa 
Magearna is cool tho, I’d take her.
Fleur cannon
AZ and Floette would be the best fairy unit for me but it's not happening
Kalos and all future VAs will be hard, they have no villains
making Giovanni and Ghetsis work overtime
Isn’t Lysandre still scheming a bit?
Kalos VA need something to spice it up, for now only Volcanion left unreleased so it might arrives...eternal floette kinda hopium, inb4 its just lysandre return with shiny hoopa or shiny xerneas in tow
if anything he might join team rocket to "test fate"
I legit have this crazy feeling it’ll shake us up once we get it datamined.
Shiny zygarde with ground typing 
shiny Zygarde and Calem is possible, both their Neo C reference it
the crown
•.•
on the other hand I have no idea what more Serena could get
that's for Shauna
Probably serena wont get anything as her zerena alt is already a sygna suit alt
Probably just zerena rerun
altho VA will probably be after half anni the earliest
february is mandatory Palentines
I’m saving for two pities as well!
Best of luck!
january won't have their alts if it's VA asap
Like ssmay happened in VA because May sygna suit alt still not yet exist...serena already have zerena
just like Cynthia right
They didn't tease VA in recent dev letter, oh right might can tease on late December dev letter
we have anni units rerun so I'm not sure
and there's def some player customization celebration thing
hope it's not just 2 more looks to choose from lol
Im glad that they rerun 2021 anni MF with EBE, all these VA reruns without EBE to give me free gems 
I'm excited to become a sunglasses character
that's nice, 1800 right?
Yep
VA EBE will probably run with character rerun
But they didn't rerun VA banners with VA reruns 
||i might pull Lillie if nothing interesting happens in February datamine, fat 4bar striker but it's the character that made me want to play way back||
||i still use her with ssrcynthia, used shadow force build cynthia so it practically doesn't use gauge so alillie can have her gauges
...shadow ball ssrcynthia if with sskorrina because she only use 2 gauges||
||I’d feel bad for my other ghost type favs lol||
||Resource saving support ||
honestly, this month came in as a two way of making me save gems
it's the first month that made two months in a row skips
I almost went for ss hilda, but then they are finally giving ho-oh's power boosts
guess they mistook ho-oh with ho-ho and went with it in december 'cause christmas
wouldn't it be funny if we get an added Fashion theme skill for the character customization 
Just an FYI, we always spoiler talk of pulling in this chat as our focus is saving resources (congrats though!)
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