Sync Grids

[cloud crane]

And you will be using the TM as well

[stuck compass]

The chance for propulsion to proc is lower than flinch tho

Am I missing the point about sth

[cloud crane]

It is. But you would be using the TM either ways

[shadow wadi]

You'd have to use it only twice. Since, y'know, the idea is skipping a turn

[cloud crane]

You'd probably be using the TM once at least right

And then two astonishes need to both flinch. The chances of that is quite low

Only twice sounds very reasonable but you need two flinches out of 3 turns each sync cycle. That is quite wasteful

[shadow wadi]

Again, not two flinches out of three turns. Two flinches out of two turns. If you take three turns, you don't skip anything.

Just a technical note

[cloud crane]

Yeah true. So would need flinches on the first 2 turns itself which is why it's a bit inconvenient

[placid heart]

If I don’t want to run wise entry on jasmine should I run cs2 🦑

(I say I don’t want to like that’s a choice the game didn’t want to give me wise entry)

[cloud crane]

Yeah. Kinda fun probably

[placid heart]

I only use my jasmine as a striker

And no where else

[stuck compass]

Why not, sure

DPS jasmine ftw

[bronze dragon]

Let's call X the other allies moves:
You use X-X-astonish
You got the flinch, you got a -2
You use X-X-SC Lillie TM
You got the propulsion 4, you got a -3
After 2 turns, you can sync

You can't flinch lock with innate flinch effects, enemy will queue something else before you can

Unless it's just 1 enemy who can't use items

[bronze dragon]

You can farm the cookies

It's not uncommon in 2*

But cs2 is nice too

[stuck compass]

I kinda still don't get it. Isn't it a higher chance to get 2 flinches for a "-4" and queuing a TM before syncing? It is also within 2 enemy rounds iirc.

U just need flip the order,
Astonish-x-x
Astonish-x-x
TM

[bronze dragon]

If you only want to flinch, yes, but if you're using SC Lillie you probably want to use her TM

[stuck compass]

Oops

[bronze dragon]

No, flinch goes last

[stuck compass]

Yeah brainfart

U can have the same order but 9 moves I think with 2 flinches

[bronze dragon]

Also if you flinch first cycle, the following move from opponent will be an item, which you can't deny by flinching

[stuck compass]

And it'll be on enemy round 2

So it's a
Astonish-x-x
TM-x-x
Astonish-x-x

[bronze dragon]

[stuck compass]

Like the enemy will take 2 rounds when we get the following combo going?
X X astonish
X XTM
X X astonish
Sync
*Edited to adjust order

Because it will queue a buff after flinching the 1st time and will queue an attack while you are using the TM

[bronze dragon]

1-you are still using 9 moves as normal
2-flinch should be queued last

[bronze dragon]

Just substitute her TM for astonish if you just want to flinch here

[stuck compass]

Ah yes X X astonish

I got the wrong order again

Yeah it's 9 moves but 2 enemy rounds. That's the point right

Flinching once doesn't give you a -CD it just gives you more moves before the enemy takes its next turn

[bronze dragon]

With the order I showed you it's 6 moves for you and 1 enemy move

[stuck compass]

I'm a bit confused, don't you need 8 actions

With 1 proc of propulsion

Flinch just allows you to queue more actions between enemy move CD drops

[bronze dragon]

Yeah right, I missworded, I meant you queue 5 moves before enemies' first, then you queue 3 after them, which one has propulsion so it's 5+4

X-X-astonish queued
Enemy queues
X-X take place, you queue X-X again, astonish denies
You used 5 moves, enemy used 0
Then X-X-TM (TM doesn't have to be last)
You used 8+1 moves, enemy used 1, and you sync

[stuck compass]

This is interesting, so technically all Leon, Zerena, Gloria and Red need is 1 TM, and a Flincher. For this strat in CSMM

[bronze dragon]

Yeah essentially flinching can be considered a pseudo -2 countdown

You are not reducing countdown but you are raising your pace of queueing in relation to opponent

[stuck compass]

Yup

[bronze dragon]

Flinching as in staggering and such passives is -3

[stuck compass]

I used to bring elessa for those 5round CD CSMM stages but I realise now that all I needed was a Flincher

[copper verge]

Yes always been, that's why flinches and Sync CD are great to gain momentum.
This is exactly what I do here combining the early flinch with Lysandre or SSL TM (so as you can imagine propulsion from herself instead would lead to the same cycle, just more RNG ofc): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSkLrkB3Vbo

And now you have more and more accelerators option, so this only gets more and more common to just out-Sync the enemies before they do anything meaningful

This work for sleep too btw, if you queue last it's a -2 CD basically (not that sleep needs further praise)

[cloud crane]

As mentioned by racer just above, folks like Kukui, Skyla, leaf, Sonia, A Skyla etc. with staggering can get single flinch -3 since you can queue after the flinch and before the foe queues the next move

[stuck compass]

Yeah I'm using Ramos with Zerena because of the masterfair passive

[stuck compass]

So this makes plumeria quite valuable doesnt it and sstred I guess. Are there others with staggering 4?

[cloud crane]

Yeah. Kinda. But the opportunity cost and the rest of her kit is always there

[atomic lodge]

How does the grid expansion improve Cyrus ? IS there anything worth going for ?

Like both critastrophes ?

[stuck compass]

have you seen the pinned suggested grids?

there are a few options on how to use cyrus. I personally have 3 diff grids

1 for Spacial Rend+Nuke
1 for Hydro Pump
1 for being self sufficient to pair with SSACyn

[atomic lodge]

Yes i had some but i'm wondering with the grid extension specifically

[stuck compass]

but you can share how you are using him and we can figure which grid might be the most helpful

[atomic lodge]

Sorry if i wasnt being clear

[stuck compass]

yeah the extension makes his Spacial rend a lot more usable

and it also increase survivability

[atomic lodge]

I only use it with hydro pump because i have a lot of rain usées

Users*

[stuck compass]

but taking the sync nodes or spacial rend multiplier depends on how u use him

[atomic lodge]

I see that makes sense

How impactful is critastrophe?

[stuck compass]

it add a 20% to his damage multiplier

which he has a lot of thanks to CS9

[atomic lodge]

CS9 ? .w.

[stuck compass]

Critical strike 9 (passive)

[round bridge]

Its only a small damage boost, but its nice to have a cheap one compared to the other critastrophe

[stuck compass]

its so much closer to get too

[round bridge]

The grid expansion doesnt really help hydro pump, though you can use sharp entry 1 to combine with Critical Focus, so that you can raise crit by using hydro pump straight away

Thats if your team doesnt have a crit buffer

[atomic lodge]

Or battle villa it helped me a lot

[round bridge]

Yup

[atomic lodge]

I'll just make another build for when i need a strong speatker

Though i dont think he's my best option for that ..

[round bridge]

Perhaps not, but hes still a great general spatk striker

[atomic lodge]

Is there any reason for me to use Him over SS Léon?

[round bridge]

Not really

Cyrus is exd though if you want the aoe sync

[atomic lodge]

Okie

[atomic lodge]

Thank you both @round bridge @stuck compass, i'll figured i'll make a build for spatial rift because i like Cyrus/ Palkia more than SS Léon anyway..

[mint orchid]

Is this good elio popplio grid

[stuck compass]

It depends on how you wana use him

[stuck compass]

do you plan to just use it for sleep and spdef buffs?

[mint orchid]

Yeah

[stuck compass]

I guess that's fine too

she has troublemaker too i guess?

I guess it's fine if you mainly want her as an additional sleeper unit

but let us know if you ever want to try the other versions of primarina

[crystal bay]

Does Elio have other versions apart from sleep?

[stuck compass]

I mainly use her for her sparkling aria build to support either a Phys or Special attacker.

[crystal bay]

I see.

[jolly thicket]

Tell me how my DPS and sync nuke build for Dawn is

[crystal bay]

I would remove spdef +5 and first seed bomb node to add s.b. move gauge refresh.

On the sync build.

Making the left leg blue/blue/red/green/yellow.

And you get to also keep sync node.

[jolly thicket]

You mean like this?

[crystal bay]

Yes

Better gauge support. Since dawn is quite slow.

Although I like her tank capabilities so I'm not gonna use her as DPS.

[jolly thicket]

So my Seed Bomb DPS build is fine?

[crystal bay]

You don't need it if you're going to nuke with her.

I don't think you need anything else on SB build. Maybe you could get the red SB refresh tile again but it's up to you.

[placid heart]

Looks alr to me I typically run this alongside MR and SSLyra but any crit buffer works preferably 3/5 Hilbert

[jolly thicket]

Now what to do if I don't have SS Lyra?

[placid heart]

I said it in the post any crit buffer

Preferably 3/5 hilbert

[jolly thicket]

Ok then

[crystal bay]

They use SSLyra as crit buffer. Grassy Terrain is just an extra power boost.

[lament plaza]

So for SS Wally, which sync grid builds is actually the most effective? 3/5, 4/5, or 5/5?

That's assuming you have unlimited candies.

[jolly thicket]

Depends on how you're gonna use him

[bronze dragon]

Didn't understand that. 5/5 has access to everything

If you are asking what move level is more worthy, it depends
1/5 is if you just want him for zone
3/5 is if you want him to sync
4/5 has HS1 so with HS1 LS he becomes a HS3 unit
5/5 has zone extension 3 and team special move up next using fairy zone

Going further than 3/5 is just if he is a fav, nothing game changing

[muted stag]

How does this grid look for Glacia?

[merry onyx]

i wouldn't take synchro healing unless you're gonna sync with her more than once

[muted stag]

What would you recommend instead?

[echo crypt]

not using her

[placid heart]

She’s not that horrible post expansion is she?

[muted stag]

She looks good in a hail comp to me. I just wish she summoned hail on her sync or something, and that when she mega evolves her defense and special defense go up instead of her special attack and speed.

[sweet parcel]

She shines at LG

[merry onyx]

just some stat tile

most hail abusers want/need to sync

ex. summer steven, candice

[stuck compass]

Because you put the word that, the ans is no

[pine flint]

That’s crazy they give this for 1/5

[cloud crane]

its good. they did keep sharp entry at 3/5 though

[sinful smelt]

MPR ON 1/5 GRID BLESS

[crystal tiger]

Ah, there's no grids for 3/5 Fall Iris yet? Guess I'm early

[stuck compass]

I have a grid for it but you can't take wish MPR and smarty pants and brainteaser

you can if you ignore all hyper beam MGR, but that's

[timid marten]

Smarty Pants AND Brainteaser? You wouldn't need the MPR

[stuck compass]

Its kinda

[timid marten]

I'd just use a Speed support, but I mainly meant for the Wish MPR

[stuck compass]

Tbh girafarig wud be nice for it

[crystal tiger]

"Nice" is an understatement

[stuck compass]

But I can't slot it in if I want plumeria as the main DPS

[crystal tiger]

Ah

I'm actually going to use her with SS Gio

Lucian tank?

[stuck compass]

U can try

Lmk if it works

[crystal tiger]

Actually, I'm gonna go back to bed for a couple more hours

[stuck compass]

Ngl it's probably possible for a Phys tank at 6*EX

Okay

[crystal tiger]

Oh?

[stuck compass]

It seems like it's possible, because of growl

[uncut vessel]

Just waiting for the Helena grids.

[uncut vessel]

Any recommendations for grids for Helena?

[sweet parcel]

Wait a min

[uncut vessel]

Okay.

[sweet parcel]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/65200/9300?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFCw4QFRgjJSksLi8

Here is my damage focus build

[uncut vessel]

Not bad.

[old niche]

Iris is definitely worth giving candies to right?

[uncut vessel]

If you want to use her, yeah.

[old niche]

For 3/5

I mean as the best poison unit atm

[uncut vessel]

Well, Sparky put Iris and Naganadel in the S Tier damage dealer category.

So if you don't have any good Damage Dealing Poison Types, go for it.

[sweet parcel]

If you want her to nuke, go for 3/5

For supporting other poison type 1/5 is fine

[lament plaza]

Is the normal build for Iris is a Hyper Beam spammer or a true nuker?

[bronze dragon]

You are spamming hyperbeam anyway

[sweet parcel]

Me spamming acid so that Plumeria has spotlight

[clever thorn]

They give you koga for free so what’s the point

[echo crypt]

The usual Koga slander

[placid heart]

If I could do art I’d make an emote of koga slander like 80% of this server does not like him as a poison unit or just ignore him

[gentle sun]

At least Lucy’s full grid should put an end to the “no good Poison pairs besides SS Gio” comments

[placid heart]

Koga and Lucy hype

[old niche]

I think I'll need F Iris at 3/5 because OAR9 Acid at 3/5

Nice support

[ember patrol]

What’s grid for 3/5 Iris???

[placid heart]

Take this with a grain of salt but I might run this personally I’m not a good grid builder

[sweet parcel]

Hello I'm not a good grid builder

[ember patrol]

Thank you

[placid heart]

Hello Gakon | Simpest Sonia Somp

[timid marten]

I'd only run oar on dedicated builds, typically you want supports to do that to focus on setting zone and beaming away

Could do it pre-sync I guess but eh

[bronze dragon]

Don't use acid, just hyperbeam

[placid heart]

Why did dena have to give her worse and worse for that second sync tile anger

[bronze dragon]

[placid heart]

I don’t like super victory or poison wish bogo 9 it feels like a waste of energy sadge

[bronze dragon]

But you picked mgr4 in your build

It's a +25 node anyways, not a big deal, you can pick something else like poisonous acceleration 2

[placid heart]

I did Not notice that lel

[placid heart]

How does this grid look?

[sweet parcel]

For content like CS i would remove all potion tiles and pick Adrenaline

Since Freevenge ruins quad queue even its only 50% to proc

That grid is fine for LA and longer battle, but i would replace team sharp entry 1 route and go for team tough luck if your main dmg dealer can buff +2 crit

[old niche]

This one focuses on hyper beam right?

[old niche]

While this focuses on acid?

[stark berry]

Just noticed Helena 1/5 full grid, is 666 orbs

[jolly thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/jesusisafriend-out-of-this-house-exorcism-cross-church-gif-9309545

[stark berry]

Same for Halloween allister

[clear fable]

Any recommended grid for helena?

Hows this grid looking?

[jolly thicket]

What kind of build is that?

[sweet parcel]

For striking purpose that build is good, personally i would grab the second sync nodes and ignore shadow ball mgr

[cosmic folio]

Is there a recommended sync grid for Iris yet? The google doc isn’t updated yet 😢

[clear fable]

Im testing her for dps

[clear fable]

Gotcha thanks!

Just did 2v3 with helena and anni lillie in 2k cs with the changes

[copper verge]

Not yet, only added the previous banners for now, I'll be playing catchup over the week 😉

[primal wasp]

So playing with a Sun Team of SS Erika-Maxie-SS Morty; SS Morty would be better to have Team High-Five so that I can have my Maxie get a bit more of longevity?

Because I often find him dropping in 10k to Syncs rather early

[copper verge]

this team should clear before Sync very easily, even off-type

if your gameplan involves taking sync, just make sure you don't pick too much offensive params and keep Maxie healthy, additionally you can use potion tiles giving the appropriate defense to him so it helps surviving the sync

[candid hazel]

The go to grid for nuking I would assume?

She just needs someone to top off her stats and spread paralysis, another debuffer would help too. Maybe someone like ssBrendan & Latios

[merry onyx]

latios is literally her partner ever

can para and debuff sp def for her multipliers

• gives her less turns buffin

[stuck compass]

Tbh tho I wouldn't sync with her

That grid is great but I'd personally maximise her shadow ball DPS and bring a support and more reliable spdef debuffer who will also be syncing

[ember patrol]

What’s Allister Halloween 3/5 best grid

[stuck compass]

It depends on what u need him for, because he can't take all the good nodes sadly

[placid heart]

Is this a decent grid for Gloria?

Or should I just take all the behemoth blade DP tiles

[merry onyx]

depends on her partners

are you running her with someone who can get another -1 sync countdown

• are you syncing with her

[placid heart]

I’m running her with Sonia and Jasmine

Me getting check the pins’Ed must mean that’s the one in the pins so lel, I want to make my own builds so I won’t check them

[bronze dragon]

Do your builds then compare to the recommended pins

Not like Gloria's grid is complex anyways

[sweet parcel]

I dont know how to grid Cheren helppp

[placid heart]

Check the pins yesterday

[rotund talon]

no helena grids on the doc?

is the general notion just sync nuker revolving around para and debuffs rn?

brainteaser and smartypants

[kindred stag]

here you go

can replace paralysis synergy by sharp entry 1

[keen nova]

Will this work for a sync nuke build on Blue + Pigeot?

[sweet parcel]

Tbh you should focus on powering up Hurricane instead

Blue's sync sucks

Ignore the sync tiles

[keen nova]

That's unfortunate, does nate and braviary function as a sync nuke or is his damage based on his regular moves?

[sweet parcel]

Nate is a sync nuker

[jolly thicket]

Nate's DPS is trash

[copper verge]

Depends, when running Anni Skyla it's kinda worth it cause you're gonna Sync to activate Hurricane anyways so it helps isolating middle and wiping it with Hurricane spam

[sweet parcel]

Also, if you are looking for flying strike nuker, Kahili is the best choice

[copper verge]

If you check the pins, you have some variants shared there depending how you wanna approach your time

[keen nova]

Ah, is kahili a striker?

[jolly thicket]

Blue doesn't have multipliers on his sync, that's why you're better off with Hurricane DPS

[sweet parcel]

Yes she is

[copper verge]

There are a bunch of flying type nuking better than Kahili tbh, eg. Anni Skyla, Holiday Skyla, Darach etc..

[sweet parcel]

Well i think they were asking about flying strikers, not flying dmg dealers in general

[copper verge]

Yes but Hurricane DPS is already there in the core of the grid ^^

but again it just depends on your gameplan/approach, there's no "best choice"

[keen nova]

Are my flying options, I was just looking for something to use on flying csmm pre sync

[copper verge]

Well Blue is your best Flying striker

Just get a Harry build, pair with Falkner and whatever you feel like and poop on the stage

[keen nova]

I'll try that out

[sweet parcel]

https://streamable.com/fyq7qi

Here is my pre sync clear with non ex blue and nuke kahili

[silent wren]

What are good sync nodes for og Allister for ghost damage/nuke

Is getting restrain after syncing actually that good for him?

[crystal bay]

Yes and no. If you run the Ghost build you don't need them since he's G-Max applies restrain to all targets. For poison build you can take it. Extra multipliers. Personal I'm happy with the recommended builds. They deal enough numbers to get the job done.

[tulip moat]

Any ideas for a 2/5 fall allister grid ?

[tranquil socket]

is this okay for him? thought he can abuse critical hits alot, and having a sort of recovery for his trainer move

[shadow wadi]

Every striker benefits from crits. As for TM, you can bring in a support to do the buffing for him.
There are some suggested builds in pins btw. And get his power boost.

[tranquil socket]

yeah, deffo gonna grab his boost. I just need more stamina for 3 more skip runs lol

[tranquil socket]

Is this ok enough?

[echo crypt]

[rotund talon]

oh, i guessed right it seems, this is exactly how i gridded her out. thanks anyways, good to be reassured

[tranquil socket]

I know I should be checking pins but I already did a while back. Now I'm trying to optimize the hydro pump build for cyrus, idk if I got it right

[bronze dragon]

Who are you using him with? Because you are not picking accuracy

[tranquil socket]

w/sygna blue

[bronze dragon]

Then use the one in the pins

[tranquil socket]

from the doc?

[bronze dragon]

There's only 1 pinned message

[shadow wadi]

But it has two links

[stuck idol]

despair

deciding if i candy sst red or wally

[rotund talon]

wally

not because he's better

because he's cooler

[stuck idol]

thats a great argument

[dim agate]

sst red

[mint orchid]

Is this good grid for freeze+ hailtank support?

[sinful smelt]

So Norman either nukes or DPS right?

[bronze dragon]

Norman's best use is to tank in LG that require Paralysis

[kindred stag]

smh norman solo latios

[stuck compass]

tbh im just gona use him for paralyse procs in LGs ._. standfast 5+3 is a pain

[blazing pawn]

Suicide units are useless except for Duraludon

They really need to stop making standfast tiles to expensive and far away from the center

[vivid yoke]

They should make a recoil endurance passive. It doesnt reduce recoil damage but if you are at 1 hp you cant KO yourself from recoil

[vivid yoke]

Is Mind Games a decent option on Glacia? Im not using her as a main tank basically ever

[sweet parcel]

Yes

[kindred stag]

I loooove this idea omg

[bronze dragon]

Duraludon is not suicide

[gentle sun]

Correction: Recoil moves are usually not very worthwhile. Sync Pairs who have recoil moves are not automatically useless (See: Hilda and Elesa with their great Sync nukes)

[gentle sun]

Sorta memey (but not really) Lucy grid for Poison stall:

Could replace Acumen or Stoic with Trainer Move MP Refresh depending on the stage

[sinful smelt]

You don't even really need hostile environment. It's weird that's so expensive.

[bronze dragon]

It helps a lot

Turning from a flip coin to a sure chance for 3 targets is very noticeable

Plus there's not much else to pick for stall

[gentle sun]

Yeah, Hostile Environment is huge QoL

[zealous breach]

Thanks I was wondering when we had a grid for Lucy.

[gentle sun]

It usually takes a day or 2 for specific documents to be updated

I threw an offense grid in here pretty quickly after datamine because Lucy's one of my favorites and pomatools was updated pretty much immediately

Here's that

[zealous breach]

Which one is better for poison stall? That's mainly what I use her for.

I assume the second one.

[gentle sun]

The one I specifically labeled as Poison stall

The one I threw together right after datamine was offense/Sync nuke oriented

[zealous breach]

Thanks so much

[gentle sun]

No problem

[ashen bough]

Wait am i tripping or does the new glacia grid can't hail on sync

Or was it always the case

Or am i not looking hard enou

Enough

[echo crypt]

You imagined it, she has never been able to do that

[ashen bough]

Oh

In that case do we have recommendations for her new grid

Nvm i threw something lol

I hope it works

[dim agate]

glacia still troll

[gentle sun]

Eh, she's a bit better thanks to Focus Group

Especially because before this the only Hoenn crit buffer was Phoebe

[sweet parcel]

She is a good tank in LG now

[sweet parcel]

You forgot SS Brendan and SS May

Drake can buff crit too, but only one stage

[sly fulcrum]

Still a meme for not being able to summon hail

[gentle sun]

Ah, right, forgot about the recent limiteds

Anyway, here’s a potential grid option:

[stark berry]

Glacia can tank physical pretty well in hail

Expecially from full hp

[stuck compass]

Yeah I was guessing too.. but does it not hold up enough for special dmg?

[stark berry]

For CS she can tank decently even special, thanks to endure

At 6ex her defenses aren't too shabby

Glacia feels kinda like 1/5 SC lillie

In hail from full hp she can get 1/4 damage from a physical hit

[stuck compass]

U mean a 5/5 20/20 glacia matches a 1/5 0/20 scLillie?

🤡

[stark berry]

3/5 20/20 vs 1/5 20/20 buffing kit

[stuck compass]

Ah okay

[stark berry]

Glacia thanks better on the physical side

[stuck compass]

Yeah

Coz of her ice shell

[stark berry]

I mean in CS she can tank mixed pretty well even without hail

[stuck compass]

Yeah

[stark berry]

Healthy buffer 5 is good

[stuck compass]

It is

[stark berry]

Endurance is good too

[stuck compass]

Too bad 1st aid doesnt help it

[stark berry]

Main issue is that the buffing kit is kinda slow and can just give +2 spatk and max crit in 4 turns

I think she works well in an hail team with froslass

She can also work with SS wally, since she's a mega evolving 6ex support

She works fine with units that can get +4 spatk and +1 crit

[raven fractal]

yeah I also like using her with ghetsis but I bring a more dedicated special attack buffer

[bronze dragon]

Not the most ideal for Ghetsis

[stark berry]

I don't think she adds much to dennis

[bronze dragon]

Not the most ideal in general tbf

[stark berry]

She's good if you need a special support for a physical hitting stage

[bronze dragon]

She really isn't

[stark berry]

Most special supports are pretty frail in physical defense

[bronze dragon]

You need hail to let her tank physically

[stark berry]

Not really

You have healthy buffer 5 + endure

[bronze dragon]

Then she's just endure and first hit

And first hit is weak anyways

[stark berry]

She can reach 1st sync even against bruno

[bronze dragon]

Damn, impressive

[stark berry]

And Bruno also has iron head

[bronze dragon]

What a good support

[stark berry]

I tried special supports and they just died to close combat

Bruno is pretty annoying, because hits hard and is one of the few trainers that can hit you 4 times in a row with -2 sync parameter

Most trainers just TM at 1 sync

[bronze dragon]

Very niche situation to try and defend Glacia

[stark berry]

Not the best support for sure, but she's usable

However she shines more in gauntlet and battle villa

[bronze dragon]

Everyone can serve as a body in gauntlet and nobody cares nowadays about BV

But sure in gauntlet she is fine

[stark berry]

Not just a body in gauntlet

Decent tank, with 6ex support, can max crit and can heal

[sly fulcrum]

I can't even defend glacia like that, she's like a LG pick

She doesn't even bring hail for herself despite having so many hail centric stuff it's just sad

[stark berry]

Yes, that's annoying

Not saying she's a staple, just that she's kinda decent for gauntlet

[sly fulcrum]

At this point it's set in the stone u only really use glacia in high high streak in LG or for meme

[bronze dragon]

That's pretty much it

[sly fulcrum]

Provides almost no offensive buff, needs to get hit to rng provide team with defense which she can't do well

Her tankiness is kinda illusion with healthy buffer, endurance and FA4

[stark berry]

I mean i use kahili, clay and mimirola as tanks in master mode

[sly fulcrum]

If dena actually made 5/5 tiles out of her with another rework

At least give her hail and hail extension

[bronze dragon]

She's a regular pool unit

[sly fulcrum]

Yeah I know so I doubt it happens

[bronze dragon]

She's just doomed if you like Glacia just send feedback asking for an alt lol

[stark berry]

I mean i like to make subpar units workable

[bronze dragon]

Yeah but you're already saying she's subpar

Any gridded unit is "usable"

[stark berry]

I mean, Norman is basically shiny Electabuzz level

[sly fulcrum]

Norman actually got good

Lucy too

[bronze dragon]

Arguably better tank than Glacia

[stark berry]

I don't feel it's a better tank than glacia

Ok it has self potions, but defenses are pretty low

[bronze dragon]

Until you realize it's as bulky as Glacia

[stark berry]

In the short run glacia tanks better thanks to healthy buffer and endure, in the long run she has Regen and synchro healing, where il Norman as bulky as glacia?

[bronze dragon]

Norman has 30 more HP, Glacia has 10 more defenses

[stark berry]

Let me check

[bronze dragon]

Endure is not a short run passive, it's just that Glacia is so frail that she makes it become a short run passive

[sly fulcrum]

This is 5* ex?

[bronze dragon]

Both at max

[sly fulcrum]

Well the difference actually is more obvious if both are only 5*

Lol

Norman also has quick cure in grid too lol

[stark berry]

But in short run she takes half damage from full hp

[bronze dragon]

From first hit which tends to be weak

It's like Mimirola's disguise: funny but not too useful

[stark berry]

Plus Norman can't give support ex or any buffs, just 90% to paralyze

[bronze dragon]

Just said tank

If you go deeper you might prefer paralysis than support ex tbh

Many LA get checked by paralysis

[stark berry]

Depends on the stage

Against cobalion/tornadus definitely

[bronze dragon]

But even if you think Glacia is better, doesn't matter, she's in debate with Norman

[stark berry]

I don't think glacia should be in debate with norman

[bronze dragon]

You just debated Glacia and Norman...

[stark berry]

I said she's much better than stuffs like norman

Not that she's a bit better

For my playstyle she's workable

I mean i tank with clay, so I'm a bit biased

However i use clay just for SS Giovanni+ Courtney, ground weak cs clears

[bronze dragon]

I mean that's just forcing stuff

[stark berry]

I mean normally my tank should just survive 3 hits at most in CS, so i definitely like stuffs like healty buffer and endure

[bronze dragon]

That's a problem of your roster then

There's plenty super bulky supports

[stark berry]

Personally i have no problems clearing cs, but i like trying most options

[placid heart]

So glacia still sucks?

I can still meme her?

[stark berry]

I Think she's usable

Less niche than some other meme units

Not the best option, but at least now does something

Probably i should try to record some showcases

Used her in some 2k cs stages, she did her job

Not amazing, but still usable with a decent team

She won't carry meme units, but she can top up good ones

[bronze dragon]

Because she's a meme unit herself

[stark berry]

I posted a meme run with her

3 meme units vs 2k Master mode

My glacia was still level 135

[bronze dragon]

So you're on-typing, she's not the first target and you got 3 refreshes of her TM

[stark berry]

Yes but the other 2 units where garbage

Plus 1 refresh was enough

[bronze dragon]

[stark berry]

You can't say Valerie and egg Clefable are good units

[bronze dragon]

Valerie is more than enough on-type

[stark berry]

I never said that glacia is next level support that carries stuffs like Valerie to 2k offtype

[bronze dragon]

I know but I don't get what you're trying to show

[stark berry]

Was just a meme run

3 meme units

[floral oracle]

I was checking out the Emmet escavalier grid. The only listed option is sync nuke using Iron defense buffs. Would it not be better to use the swords dance options and sharp entry?

[merry onyx]

just run a crit buffer

he buffs his defense because some external unit (hilbert, hop, sonia, etc) will cover his atk and crit

the more stats the support can buff, the better, as it gives emmet more time to buff the stats they can't to pump up rising tide

[floral oracle]

Ah so yamper is a prime support

Thanks a bunch.

[gentle sun]

Any of the Hilbert variants will work well, though if you have 3/5 Aaron he's the premier choice due to Bug Zone passives in grid

[sweet parcel]

And bug theme skills

[gentle sun]

Yeah, that too

[bronze dragon]

Well implying bug zone means all offensive theme skills come from SC Ingo

Doesn't really matter, Aaron Hilbert Sonia C Gio etc just pointing out that support typing is not relevant

[gentle sun]

Tbh I kinda just assumed that because they were asking about SC Emmet they have SC Ingo. I unintentionally link Subway Bros sometimes

[tranquil socket]

any advice?

[gentle sun]

Did this a while back for comboing with SSR Cynthia, can just grab On a Roll instead of Hostile Environment if you don’t have SSR Cynthia

Or keep Hostile Environment and use Lucian on the team if you’ve got him

The nice part about Helena is that since she’s Tech she doesn’t miss EX as much as Naomi does

[sweet parcel]

Yeah her nuke is really good

[tranquil socket]

Lucian and Girafarig?

or its another Lucian variant?

[sweet parcel]

Thats right

We only have one Lucian at the moment

[tranquil socket]

oh

guess my books will go to someone today

so basically, get both brainteaser and smarty-pants, and depending on roster, hostile environment and on a roll can do the job

maybe if I can luck out hostile environment from lucky cookies I can use both at the same time..

[sweet parcel]

HE isnt a cookie lucky skill

She has 90% chance to para with addition HE in grid

[tranquil socket]

it is? I think I got it once on a cookie, idk which kind

I...might be hallucinating though.

[sweet parcel]

HE isnt in any cookies

[tranquil socket]

The one I might have got is troublemaker 1... Silly me

Wonder what would be a good one for her though? maybe another paralyze power boost?

[gentle sun]

Just Critical Strike

[tranquil socket]

Aight. Wonder how to grid Lucian though.. does he needs to be 2-3/5ed first for better stuff?

[sly fulcrum]

Nope he's perfectly fine at 1/5

He just become a good sync nuke at 3/5

[tranquil socket]

ohhh

there's a hella bunch of immunities in his 1/5 kit lol

[floral oracle]

Nah sadly I didn't go for the zone. I wanted a better bug dps/nuker. Aaron has bug zone? I wasn't even aware of that guess I'll lookout for him next time.

[cloud crane]

Aaron does not have bug zone. SC Ingo only has it right now

[floral oracle]

Ah I got this confused.

[spring belfry]

@sick musk lysandre grid improvement

[sick musk]

Thank god

[stuck compass]

im mostly interested in cheren's grid

i wonder if he can be saved

[shrewd sparrow]

gamepress tool updated

https://gamepress.gg/pokemonmasters/tool/sync-grid-planner-tool

working on pomatools now

[timid marten]

But do we get free candy to raise Cheren to 3/5?

That'll be a slog if not

[echo crypt]

of course not, you are out of luck

[bronze dragon]

And so is Cheren

[timid marten]

Yeah, still doesn't look worth to candy lol

[stark berry]

He can't unless his good tiles are at 1/5

And i think are still at 3/5

Definitely a support i won't 6ex

[spring belfry]

are the grids out

[timid marten]

Serebii has them

[shadow wadi]

https://pastebin.com/i0pJg4fm

[sweet parcel]

Gamepress has them as well

[stark berry]

At least Rosa, acerola and calem got 2/5 back then

Kris got pretty busted i think

I mean, water has stiff competition, but now she seems a solid water striker

[spring belfry]

thanks

this tile is fcking busted

[sinful smelt]

When its Trainer uses a move???

[stark berry]

Was considering those grids, then i realized those are poke fairs

Damn pokefairs, i don't feel using 2 candies for incomplete units

[timid marten]

1 use, meh

[stark berry]

I guess I should either be fine with them at 1/5 or maybe if they are pretty good at 2/5

Ok maybe i can consider 3/5 if it's completely busted

[spring belfry]

kris has expanded grid?

i mean feraligatr

[kindred stag]

WAIT

TM once
Item twice

Sync

destruction

oh my I want him so bad

[stark berry]

Yes

[spring belfry]

nice

what tiles she has

within 3/5 im assuming?

[timid marten]

Crit Focus 1, Inertia, Pinpoint Entry 2, Super Powered 5, 2 Atk +20

[stark berry]

Attack +20 X2
Inertia
Pinpoint entry 2
Critical focus 1

[spring belfry]

wait

[stark berry]

Yes 3/5

[spring belfry]

inertia+ haymaker yoooooooo

thats some heavy weight nuke

[stark berry]

And super powered 5 too

[timid marten]

I'm EXing her now, what a buff

[stark berry]

It's 250%

[spring belfry]

kris can officially offtype with that type of nuke

[stark berry]

200% for offtype

[spring belfry]

dont really care about the se buff

[stark berry]

And mega kick hits pretty hard too

[spring belfry]

she finally has mega kick that never misses

[stark berry]

Don't get how the eeveelutions sync pairs works

[shadow wadi]

Kris nerf when

[stark berry]

I mean they are limited banners? F2p? Regular pool?

[shadow wadi]

Wait and see I guess

[sweet parcel]

They are limited

[bronze dragon]

Victini has 3 attacks and a 1 use TM, plus the node is exclusive to the TM anyways

[stark berry]

Was excited for genesect, then i realized is a pokefair and his second rebuff is locked at 5/5

I mean, probably genesect is just a win more unit, sice you can't apply rebuffs to help offtyiping

[amber stream]

The new ones seem mid

Unless Pecking Order is new but can’t remember

[stark berry]

Yes Dennis got a pretty mhe upgrade

[sinful smelt]

Sync freebie might be nice

Speed very nice, cheaper mgr for glaciate is nice

[stark berry]

I mean sharp entry and ramp up helps

[echo crypt]

I mean, they fixed his gauge quite a bit

[stark berry]

Sync freebie too

[echo crypt]

he 100% stole N & Zekrom's upgrade

[sinful smelt]

What does ramp up do again?

[echo crypt]

special attack

[amber stream]

Special attack increase

[sinful smelt]

Oh so he's now just fully self-buffing?

Opens some opportunities

[echo crypt]

better gauge and self sufficiency, so a good upgrade to me

[stark berry]

+4 spatk and max crit if unscuffed without mpr

[sinful smelt]

That's nice. Not sure what more he could use honestly.

[stark berry]

Yes his kit is pretty solid i guess

In the end he got what it needed to patch his consistency issues

6ex Sync should easily delete the mid

[sinful smelt]

Oh yeah! For the first time a legendary will actually benefit from EX

[rotund talon]

anywhere i can see cheren grid?

[stark berry]

Silver and Giovanni definitely benefit from ex

[sinful smelt]

Nah, striking the sides? Lame. They both have 3 bars anyway.

[stark berry]

For CS is nice

[sinful smelt]

Tech EX though, 1.5x damage. Ghetsis can deny on a side and then hit middle with the second I reckon.

[stark berry]

Sides start to spam AOE attacks if you kill the mid

[sinful smelt]

I'm familiar

A double synced Giovanni Silver or Cyrus can usually one-shot them though

So they never get an attack off

Zinnia too I guess, if weather.

[stark berry]

I mean Giovanni can easily one shot the whole stage even offtype with proper setup

[shadow wadi]

With Confusion at that!

[sinful smelt]

Shame he didn't get a grid expansion for psystrike

Honestly though. Sometimes I sync with someone else because why give up my one bar?

[stark berry]

His multipliers are generic, so it doesn't matters much, and psystrike is only useful against opponents with high special bulk

[stuck compass]

Any idea if we will get dupes for cheren

[bronze dragon]

We won't

[stuck compass]

Having a grid for a 1/5 unit is kinda

[stark berry]

Probably not

[stuck compass]

His 3/5 makes him kinda decent too

[bronze dragon]

It turns him into... Drake

[stuck compass]

Half a Drake

[stark berry]

A costly drake

Immagine having a 3 */4 * subpar general pool grid, with a masterfair like investment

[sinful smelt]

?

[stark berry]

At least compared to masterfair the 1/5 is free

Eggmons are better than cheren

For me it will still be the forever gridless one

Ok now has sand shelter

It's the only support that buffs absolutely nothing

Now that Norman got a grid i think cheren is the worst unit in the game

Not that Norman grid is great, but at least can spread paralysis

If he gets free 3/5 it may be a bit better than marlon

But Marlon can still get a grid

[sinful smelt]

Marlon could legitimately sync nuke with the right grid

[stark berry]

Anything can became busted with the right grid

[sinful smelt]

Not anything has an innate sync multiplier to build off

[stark berry]

I mean even cheren could have been busted if they started giving him stuffs like critical squad 3, team berserker bunch 6 on tm

[stark berry]

I mean if you start to dump 100% multipliers, anything can nuke (Kris)

[sinful smelt]

Marlon already has something on sync, is the point

Dawn level potential

[stark berry]

Every gridless unit has the potential to become great

[sweet parcel]

stare at Valerie

[stark berry]

Valerie isn't gridless

At least she got busted teammates if you can afford them

I mean if you have ss wally, she's a special fairy damage dealer

[sweet parcel]

she was bad pre grid and she is only decent post grid

[stark berry]

I mean with 1/5 SS wally and 3/5 6ex SS Brendan can easily offtype presync 2k master mode

[sweet parcel]

she needs busted teammates to do that

[stark berry]

Yesterday i posted a meme 2k presync with Valerie, 6ex glacia and egg Clefable

Was on type, but definitely not busted teammates

[sweet parcel]

but you can agree that her grid isnt good and it just made her slightly better

[stark berry]

Yes her grid is pretty bad

And her base kit was pretty lame to being with

Maybe if she got sde 5 for both moves, instead of just disarming voice

However she's a decent special tank

[stark berry]

However this month, too much limited units

I don't like it

How many limited units we got? 7?

Is colress limited?

[shadow wadi]

Spotlight.

[sweet parcel]

No

The Eeveelutions are good but its sad that they dont join general pool

[shadow wadi]

Three limited units, no? Plus whatever eeveelutions are

[sweet parcel]

Yeah only 3 limited units this month if you don't care about the Eeveelutions

[rotund talon]

how’s cheren looking?

salvageable ?

[sweet parcel]

Still bad

At 1/5 he only gets sand shelter

[stark berry]

Still limited units

[sweet parcel]

[stark berry]

Ok 6, i tought colress was limited too

[rotund talon]

ok wow his grid sucks

team crit entry is nice

but at 3/5 💀

i'm not sure why there's a sand motif for this unit, granted i don't know anything about stoutland

[shadow wadi]

It has Sand rush iirc

[rotund talon]

hidden ability?

guess it makes sense

[stark berry]

If it was a 4* or they handled the free dupes, it may have been something barely usable

[rotund talon]

yeah, ig i can cope in saying that it’s at least a source of supp ex

[stark berry]

Still the weaker version of Marley however

I would have said the discount version of Marley, but Marley is both cheaper and better

[rotund talon]

i’ll probably ex him just because i like cheren, but pretty disappointing. but i’d have been surprised if they managed to salvage him enough to where candying was feasible

[stark berry]

Cheren is the worse unit with a DLC grid

[rotund talon]

one of the worst 5* period

or is he even base 5*

[stark berry]

Or the worst non eggmon unit

And i meant is probably just better than something like striker Onix and striker Arcanine

I mean is overall worse than most eggmons

There are few completely useless eggmons, but we are talking about eggmons

I mean it you pay for the dlc, it may be better than most eggmons

But the f2p non dlc cheren is complete garbage

[rotund talon]

yeah, supp ex + status removal is like, okay LG fodder

but idek how many status mechanics there are in LG

[stark berry]

I guess only cresselia and 1st bar tornadus

Maybe cobalion, but is 30%

And not even aoe

Worst case scenario against cobalion you can't attack with your support anymore

The only gimmick is that he can heal interference with dlc grid

The problem is that is attached to full heal, and full heal fails if the target isn't statused

So you can only cure interference if the target is statused too

[rotund talon]

lol

[austere mirage]

Lysandre grid annoys me I want a fully powered OW not dark pulse 😂

[shrewd sparrow]

https://twitter.com/pomatools/status/1585605103163252738

PoMaTools (@pomatools)

Updated the site with the information from the version 2.26 of the game, including:

• New Lodge interactions
• November's Champion Stadium
  If anything is broken, let me know!

Twitter · Oct 27, 2022, 12:11 PM

[stuck compass]

Qn, for the expanded Kris grid, how much accy do I need to mega kick for 100% accuracy? Do I need 1 or 2 accy nodes after pinpoint entry 2

[gentle sun]

How much accuracy is Mega Kick again?

Ah, 75. Should only need 1, Olivia has an 80 accuracy move and is fine after +2 accuracy

[old niche]

What's the update on Kris new grid?

[sweet parcel]

New tiles added

[old niche]

Does it make her good?

[gentle sun]

Critical Focus, Super Powered, Inertia, Pinpoint Entry

[sweet parcel]

Yes

[gentle sun]

Dang, that's incredible

[restive cipher]

How is this for new Kris?

Definitely looks promising

[gentle sun]

Wynaut just use someone else for flinch and get Super Powered?

[sweet parcel]

If you pair her with crit buffer, remove crit focus and pick mega kick tiles

[old niche]

She doesn't have interference sync so she doesn't need it

Tho for offtype you wouldn't need super powered

[restive cipher]

Inertia for just 5 Energy is freaking bizarre

[old niche]

But why bother using her off type

[gentle sun]

True

[old niche]

An additional nuker for gauntlet

[restive cipher]

You can definitely drop Crit Focus for Super Powered 5

[stuck compass]

i'm personally going for megakick+sync

i wont use kris outside of water weak anyway

[restive cipher]

Well with her accuracy fixed, mega kick does feel more appealing

[stuck compass]

yeah 200 pwr, with SP5 and either SP3 / CS2

i think it's gona be lit

[sinful smelt]

Mine is a totodile so no sync tiles for me

Full mega kick

[stuck compass]

lol

[restive cipher]

Poor Entei. Kris is getting her upgrade right on time for LG

[stuck compass]

I'mma ex kris and get her to 385 atk

[bronze dragon]

Final accuracy = Base accuracy * (X+6)/6
X = Accuracy buffs

[stuck compass]

Ty, and if there are evasion buffs from the enemy does it turn into

(6+X)/(6-Y)
X = Our Accy buffs
X = Enemy Eva buffs

[restive cipher]

Easy math. Since kick is 75acc. +2 Acc is 75 x 8/6 = 100

Yeah, her kick issue literally got fixed. Poor Lance

[shadow wadi]

6 + Y* if buffs are positive.

[stuck compass]

oh right

yes that is right

ty

silly me got my brain on backwards. was thinking of debuffs

[bright sail]

Pinpoint Entry 2 is only 3 Energy and gets Mega Kick to 100 accuracy. Both Mega Kick Accuracy +5 are 8 energy each and only get you to 85 accuracy.

[bronze dragon]

Yeah I am surprised she got pinpoint entry 2 because it makes parts of her grid redundant

Dynamic Entry too

[bright sail]

Oh yeah that too. And her Trainer Move gives Sure Hit too

[bronze dragon]

It gives sure crit too but yeah

[bright sail]

I think Hilbert & Samurott is still great for her.

[spring belfry]

does cheren grid has crit?

[quick temple]

Yeah he has team sharp entry 1

[spring belfry]

thats it?

that sux for 5*

[shadow wadi]

Technically he's super old

[stark berry]

But the grid is super new

[shadow wadi]

Hence technically

[stark berry]

I mean not a big deal, since we are talking about a master fair/seasonal level investment to grid him

At least i think master fairs aren't included in the dlc grid

We will see with the next batch of master fairs

[stark berry]

Anni N has piercing gaze on grid and accuracy buffs on tm, Raihan has recoil removal on grid and standfast 9 as a passive

I don't think making part of the base kit obsolete, isn't a real issue for 3/5 grids

[bronze dragon]

One thing is giving you 2 options, another is giving her a power boost that makes the rest of the options pointless

[stark berry]

Plus evasion and accuracy debuffs exist

[bronze dragon]

And Standfast 9 and recoil removal are different things

[stark berry]

Standfast 9 is 90% recoil reduction

Recoil removal is 100%

[bronze dragon]

I know

[stark berry]

Accuracy and sure hit are 2 different things

Recoil removal it's just better standfast 9

[bronze dragon]

For 3 energy she makes all those nodes obsolete

[stark berry]

Opponents can buff evasion

[bronze dragon]

Whereas the other examples you gave require like 20 energy investment in their grids

[stark berry]

You still need 3/5 for pinpoint entry

However if the opponent has +1 evasion, the extra accuracy nodes can still prove useful

Or maybe the opponent debuffs accuracy

Isn't that accuracy nodes are 100% useless

[placid heart]

Is this a bad grid for kris?

[shadow wadi]

That one is good

[gentle sun]

Is HP +20 cheaper than X attack MP Refresh?

[merry onyx]

yup

[gentle sun]

Could probably go to Haymaker that way and grab Critical Focus if the saved energy is enough

[placid heart]

It is I didn’t notice that

[gentle sun]

Would open up Support options

[placid heart]

I’m not going to grab Cfocus I’m going to use her with hilbert and may 🦑

[gentle sun]

Fair enough

[crystal bay]

Then you don't need att mpr

Hilbert max out

[merry onyx]

i would personally drop the mgr and run something like this to make her mega kicks beefier

[crystal bay]

Drop one or 2 mega kick +3 for either ACC buff or MGR?

[merry onyx]

she doesnt need the accuracy

pinpoint 2 makes mega kick 100%

[placid heart]

I see didn’t think of that ty

[placid heart]

How’s this look for Ghetsus?

[bronze dragon]

As a safeplay build without too much thought it's good

But I'd pick paralysis synergy 3 instead of some set up nodes

[placid heart]

Alr 🦑

[stark berry]

Wanted to try glacia new grid against the dreadful tapu bulu wood hammer

Not that bad

[placid heart]

How good is lynsadre for post expansion being able to tank even easier seems like a big boon and a nuke seems hype but is that really good

[bronze dragon]

Depends what you compare it to

I don't know what kind of answer do you expect when you ask how good is it

[placid heart]

Maybe the correct wording I should’ve used was how does it improve him but that’s the wrong channel then 🦑

[bronze dragon]

He gets brainpower, cs3 and downside up

[placid heart]

So that should be good right?

(I thought he got healthy buffet from 5/5 I guess I wasn’t to familiar with him)

[bronze dragon]

I wouldn't use dark pulse in that case

But it all depends on stage and teammates

[placid heart]

Oh alr 🦦

[primal mason]

Why is scorching sync 5 all the way on the other side of the grid for hilda

[quick temple]

She wanted to make things annoying on purpose

[primal mason]

Cries

[quick temple]

It was all part of her master plan

[primal mason]

But honestly she doesn't really need scorching sync 5 does she

Hm

[merry onyx]

damn her grid's that expensive?

[primal mason]

Burn synergy 1 is probs not optimal

[merry onyx]

yeah prob not

[primal mason]

And yeahh it really is

Hilbert my boy

You do not have any physical moves

[sly fulcrum]

Dj gloria does it better

[primal mason]

Exactly

[sly fulcrum]

Yes it's hella expensive

[primal mason]

I have a lotta questions abt these grids

[sly fulcrum]

And she's glass cannon kinda

So I have more reasons to skip her

[primal mason]

Fair enuf

I really want hilda cos victini is cute

Also man Hilbert's only useful node in this chain of 10 energy tiles is brainpower

[merry onyx]

team sharp entry saves him a turn of buffing doesnt it?

[primal mason]

Ig so yeah

[bronze dragon]

Just bring a crit support

[primal mason]

Might as well since his tm only gives him +3 spatk

[bronze dragon]

He wants to start clicking Techno Blast and Metal Sound asap so try and rush stat buffs

[primal mason]

Yeah true

[restive cipher]

Cheren feels so bad as a story pair

[stuck compass]

I hope we get dupes for him in an event or sth

[timid marten]

Same but likely won't happen, he is not worth candying

[stuck compass]

He is not worth the 5* candy investment yes

[woeful frigate]

Opinion on these N grids?

[sweet parcel]

The base one: dont pick Focus Rush 3 if you run him with crit buffer, pick BS tiles instead

[woeful frigate]

I was planning on using a different team but id have a lot of gauge issues so fair enough

How is this then

[sweet parcel]

Good

Idk much about SS N grid so I dont have much complain

[woeful frigate]

Yeah fair enough

He has some good tiles but his grid is so expensive

[placid heart]

This entire update feels like very expensive grids

[woeful frigate]

True

[placid heart]

5/5 grids really should be cheaper or we should get more energy from more move levels

[woeful frigate]

One shit thing about new N is that he has a lot of tanking skills when his defenses are not great

Ig ready for anything is a 50% damage reduction on moves and sync moves while charging which is

Decent?

Not great though and its 5/5

Also, im pretty sure it's impossible to get all sync move power up nodes and sync multipliers in one grid

[sly fulcrum]

That 5/5 is not needed

U realistically only need 4/5 for peak readiness 9

[placid heart]

If I plan to 3/5 cheren how does this look

[merry onyx]

Take the defense and speed tiles instead of the sync

Other than that its… a grid alright

[crystal bay]

I like how cheren still doesn't have recommended builds in the doc.

[elfin crypt]

That’s normal

It’s been what only 2 days?

[crystal bay]

I know but I was making a bad joke. Like his grid is so bad, people haven't been able to recommend something yet.

[echo crypt]

ah, the good old demanding Spark to be a machine

and people refusing to use their own brain

[crystal bay]

For the record, I don't demand anything. As I said it was a bad joke. Now about the brain part... no comments.

I'm guilty.

[gentle sun]

While I know it was a joke, for other people’s reference the recommended grids doc is updated for a given pair 1-2 days after the pair is officially released, iirc

Before then you’re gonna have to mess around on pomatools and see if there’s something you like

[sinful smelt]

Also it's Cheren and what are you going to do, candy him?

[gentle sun]

Was more a blanket statement, but for Cheren specifically that’s also something to mention

[sinful smelt]

The blanket statement is a good one! It's amazing it's as quickly updated and well-maintained as it is!

[gentle sun]

Speaking of messing around on pomatools, this looks like a decent 3/5 SS Hilda grid for general use with a focus on move damage and teammates that can handle Burn and Sun

Could do away with Rising Tide and grab TM Hit and Heal if your teammates don’t have healing stuff (I assumed Evelyn + Sun setter as teammates for this grid build)

[sweet parcel]

I would pick Scorching Sync instead of Confusion Synergy

[gentle sun]

I would definitely do that for a more Sync-oriented build. Confusion Synergy is specifically because this grid is focused on Searing Shot/V-Create damage with no particular type in mind.

If it were Searing Shot/V-Create focused with Fire weak stages in mind you could grab Searing Shot Superduper Effective instead of Confusion Synergy

[sweet parcel]

Oh you are doing dps build with Rising Tide

[gentle sun]

Yeah, for that grid specifically

[sweet parcel]

I prefer the full nuke build

[gentle sun]

I’ll probably do that build and a full Sync focus build when I get her to 3/5

[bronze dragon]

Don't go for Confusion...

[gentle sun]

It’s not a terrible deal if you can’t fit confusion on a teammate and want the damage boost, but you can definitely do away with it

[bronze dragon]

But you picked nodes that imply she would use Confusion, and that's just a waste

Better go for sync stuff or empowering command

[gentle sun]

You could definitely get a Sync base power tile instead of the Confusion base power and MGR tiles, and that’s probably a more optimized grid

[bronze dragon]

Like mgr2 on a 1 gauge move that has fake-mgr9 is something you shouldn't pick

[gentle sun]

Yeah, Sync base power to connect Burn synergy and the Confusion synergy stuff would be more optimal

[bronze dragon]

Like this better

[gentle sun]

That’s definitely an option, yeah. Tbh her grid is pretty versatile

[fluid blaze]

i want to candy my sync pair from 1/5 to 2/5 , between SS morty& shiny hooh or SS Cynthia with lucario
which one better to upgrade first ?

[gentle sun]

Exclusively between those 2 (idk if there would be better options since I don’t know your Support roster), SS Morty gets more out of 2/5 than SSA Cynthia, so either SS Morty or wait until you can 3/5 SSA Cynthia.

For future reference, questions about candying would be better asked in #poma-questions

[fluid blaze]

ok i will ask there thanks

[jolly thicket]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/2001/64900?s=5&l=140&r=6&p=0&a=13010602&g=AAECAwQFBwkLKSstMDM0NQ

Is this the correct build for SS Hilbert?

For sync nuking at least

[crystal bay]

It doesn't seem like you can get anything else.

[placid heart]

Yes.

[placid heart]

I clicked the wrong channel it seems

Woops

[primal wasp]

Have this for Lysandre

Wonder if this is correct

[placid heart]

Look good to me 🦑

[primal wasp]

Or maybe instead of Critical Strike 3, I should aim for MGR

[placid heart]

No do run Cs3

He wants any damage boost he can get

[primal wasp]

Cool

I think Grand Entry 2 might not be needed based on teammates

[stuck compass]

Qn do u think Kris shld just get sp3 over cs2 now

[sweet parcel]

Her PB makes her offtype build viable, so CS2 is still the best skill

WW3 is better if you always use her under rain

[stuck compass]

What's pb

[shadow wadi]

They probably refer to grid expansion

[sweet parcel]

Yeah i meant the grid expansion

[stuck compass]

Ah okay

[bronze dragon]

Power Boost

[stuck compass]

Ah that's what pb means

[stark berry]

This is the only reccomended build

[stark berry]

It will go from 270% to 280% bonus for on type nuke and drop from 220% to 200% for off-type

[stuck compass]

It is mostly for megakick tbh

[bronze dragon]

Her SP5 in grid already covers DPS for on-type

As they said it's either CS2 or WW3, whether you want the safe option or you feel you'll always use her under rain

She's now a really good striker for all kind of content so I think I'll stick with CS2

[rotund talon]

cheren power boost power boost when dena

[harsh carbon]

Thoughts for 3/5 SS Hilbert bug nuke grid?

[bronze dragon]

If you're gonna pick sync or brainteaser, I'd pick either bug enigma 9 or ms ripple effect 9

[placid heart]

I feel like calling kris really good is overselling her expansion 🦑

I’d say usable or decent is a more accurate thing tk say

[bronze dragon]

Ok but she's really good

[gentle sun]

Bruh, why are you so focused on trying to make her look bad

[rotund talon]

she's very good, but her role is oversaturated

which is a fairly non-issue since LG is a more-the-merrier thing a lot of the time

[bronze dragon]

Every role is saturated unless you're a specific field setter

That's not a diminishing point when valuing how good she is

[rotund talon]

i said it is a non-issue

in the second sentence

[bronze dragon]

But it's not due to LG

[rotund talon]

i just used LG as an example, since that is current endgame

[bronze dragon]

Champion Stadium?

[gentle sun]

Like, in the absolute worst-case scenario she Sync nukes the crap out of most stages

[rotund talon]

csmm is far too easy to be held in the same regard in my opinion

and i say this as someone who streaks to 10 in LG and calls it quits, i have no bias for the mode

[bronze dragon]

Lol in LG you can use stuff like Norman and Wulfric as tanks

[rotund talon]

since i don't enjoy it

[bronze dragon]

LG is not hard, it's limiting, that's where the challenge is

If you wanna go by difficulty, the endgame would be Extreme Battle Events, but that's not the case either

[rotund talon]

i can't believe i have to argue that LG is the endgame

probably should withdraw now, as nobody is going to change their mind

[bronze dragon]

You don't, it's simply not

[gentle sun]

I would argue that LG is a different variety of endgame

Not above or below CS, but beside it

[sly fulcrum]

The real end game is finding as many auto team for LG for me to farm those gold cookies

[bronze dragon]

Yeah you can argue the rewards are the most appealing if anything

[rotund talon]

the rewards for pushing the limits of either mode are abysmal

it's all self-imposed and intrinsic

[sly fulcrum]

In the first place the developers mentioned it long ago that their aim is not to make the game hard

Everything that is 'hard' is self imposed

[gentle sun]

Regardless, we can all agree that Richu has a weird vendetta against Kris for some reason

[bronze dragon]

Richu likes having hot takes

[sly fulcrum]

She probably can auto entei so I'm fine with that

[bronze dragon]

Not sure if auto since I don't know her AI but she can solo Latios too

[sly fulcrum]

I'm guessing her AI will spam waterfall till flinch happens and start tapping mega kicks

it's all too common

[echo crypt]

AI be like

[sly fulcrum]

It's actually also because of dumb AI behaviours that made Whitney auto on cobalion inconsistent sadly

[placid heart]

I think people are overrating her that’s all like it’s a good expansion but it’s still Kris she has a super low attack stat and 2 sync multipliers still don’t fix that

She’s also verh carried by SP3 on type which doesn’t help her off type

[gentle sun]

Off-type should not be the only metric for whether a pair is good

She's quite simply good with her grid expansion. Not gamebreaking or anything, but good

[placid heart]

Yes good not really good like someone said 🦑

[gentle sun]

So you're arguing semantics, got it

[placid heart]

When I think of really good I think if SSRedzard 🦑

[sly fulcrum]

Does that mean I can say she's really good on type

🏃‍♂️

[gentle sun]

Also this conflicts with your earlier statement

[placid heart]

It’s acceptable I guess

[gentle sun]

But I won't prod further on that

[sly fulcrum]

Also finally someone else I can put SP3 on

[placid heart]

I think she’s decent but like on type she’s good to an extent ig

Like Kris' DPS still isn’t very good

[stuck compass]

Megakick has a BP of 200 tho. That's at the range of a 4bar move. On type she gets sp5 and a lucky skill like cs2/sp3/WW3 for 70-80% boost to that on type.

[stuck compass]

Also, my build actually has 385atk before adding gear and theme skills

It's kinda decent imo

[placid heart]

Mine at lvl 150 Ex only has 339

[stuck compass]

She gets a lot of nodes in her grid

Good to know she gets to 399 at 150 tho

[placid heart]

J see you meant effective

[stuck compass]

Is that the waterfall build? Idr being able to take that last 5atk on megakick