Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

[opaque dagger]

Counters all gimmicks

[dim lance]

Like as long as you address the weather and zone check

it's not that bad

mina also lets you run acuity without as much stress

[paper mural]

Yes but without Mina you won't get entry fairy zone, zone extension and Calem's team impervious under zone.

[low coral]

Yeah, but Mina is more so a strong check, she's not the 2nd best counter for the stage

[dim lance]

when was the last time we had a "full check" to a UB specifically

if you think about it

or a counter

[bright python]

morgan

and Alt Leon

[snow spruce]

so is 5/5 Cynthia the #1 unit here? she checks everything and the Ice dmg and even 2-nd Dana sync doesnt seem too much of an issue
Or it Rose?

[dim lance]

yeah but you can't run alt leon with anything

[low coral]

Even if it's not fully countering, she's not the 2nd most desirable unit either

[dim lance]

morgan is more so

if you have imperv

you're fine

if you don't, gl

[paper mural]

Rose is just ontype and can change weather.

ArcC and SSM have more gimmck check.

[dim lance]

I'd say Cynthia is the best unit here, yes

Mostly because she has three rounds

is not risking oneshots unless your frontline is precarious

[slate light]

beat dana 15/15 now 😎

[bright python]

if you're going but what i think your definition is

then leon

[dim lance]

a "full check" means bringing the unit in and much of the work is already addressed

like say, Irida v Nita?

[bright python]

i mean, is sst red NOT a full check?

[slate light]

ss wally vs gio stage 2

[bright python]

honestly nah

[dim lance]

SST Red is a full check against Leon, yes

but uhh

resetting paralysis is still an issue for him

[paper mural]

ArcC even has impervious so she even counters acc drop, which SSM doesn't.

[bright python]

with ss wally you don;t have enough time to get the syncs down if you're not using another rebuff

[uncut drum]

Irida is not a full check to Nita. She struggles to keep speed down on her own

[low coral]

She does keep Speed down on her own

But she needs dupes

[bright python]

the problem is

[uncut drum]

She struggles to do it though

[bright python]

are we talking about units in theory or in practice?

[dim lance]

Not from what I've seen

[uncut drum]

She can but between that and ice zone setting it's difficult

[dim lance]

though I think you need to pair her with a stun

is the thing

[opaque dagger]

Antitoxin vs lucy

[void cave]

Yeah Irida is not a full check to Nita

[bright python]

that's cheating

and leo ncame out after lucy anyways

[uncut drum]

And this is why she isn't a full check

[void cave]

You either need Flinches or a second speed dropper

[uncut drum]

SST Red is a complete counter to Leon

[snow spruce]

Irida can solo keep speed in check, but only until Nita sync and debuff reset + big speed buff?

[low coral]

She's not totally comfortable, but if Nita is getting positive Speed constantly against a 3/5 Irida, then you're doing something wrong

[bright python]

collectively though ss wally and penny are the full checks

[low coral]

She can until Nita uses her TM

[dim lance]

SST Red isn't a complete counter to leon by that logic

[low coral]

She still does it after the reset

[dim lance]

he has to rely on coinflips

[bright python]

after all

[uncut drum]

Yes he is. He sets terrain to keep sleep and can paralyse easily

[low coral]

But not after the +4

[dim lance]

after paralysis is cleansed

[void cave]

Not to mention Irida needs to waste turns on Ice Wish and lets Nita get ahead

[gentle wharf]

Wait she does?

[fast pendant]

under sand

[slate light]

asc has piercing gaze rolled into her passives

[dim lance]

Yeah but he only has one round of reliable paralysis aoe and after that has to reset

[gentle wharf]

That was a waste of Acuity cookies

LMAO

[slate light]

oh sand fortreess aite

[fast pendant]

sand fortress

[paper mural]

Impervious under sandstorm.

[dim lance]

the same maintenance problems (though not to the extent of Irida Nita)

[fast pendant]

but yes, she never misses

[opaque dagger]

And cynthia's b-move is sure hit

[dim lance]

are still intact

[uncut drum]

His B-move means you only really need to keep Leon paralysed

[void cave]

Yeah she has Sand Fortress, but the on entry Accuracy debuffs don't care unless you start with Sandstorm on entry

[snow spruce]

Sand Fortress is needed for Morgan
not for Dana

[uncut drum]

The rest aren't a big issue

[paper mural]

I can't rmb all these names so I'll call all of them impervious.

[bright python]

impervious 2

[dim lance]

that and consider how both of the duos he has against Leon

involve a reliable paralysis source

[slate light]

Rain: Stat ⬇️ Immunity

[dim lance]

I'd fairly sure you use him as the exclusive paralysis source

and it's not as easy as one would think it is

But again, this goes down to semantics

Because expecting a unit to 'single check' or counter UBs is a progressively harder endeavor

[low coral]

Red shouldn't be used as the single paralysis source, yeah

[bright python]

blame dena

[slate light]

red shouldn't be used

[lunar sedge]

Got my run recorded, so nice of Dana to not crit me at all

[slate light]

duo toxtricities instead

[dim lance]

I guess NC Leaf against Thorton is also a good example of a "full check"?

[bright python]

i feel like full checks are basically a tighter definition of what i call "intended units" aka the units that the stage is designed around
like irida for nita, nc rosa/ss lana against nemona and geeta/oleana vs masked royale

[dim lance]

Yeah, you have units that have excellent against the stage

but not a unit that completely trivializes it or shuts it down on its own

[uncut drum]

Honestly yeah

NC Silver VS Darach too

Or SS Diantha

[dim lance]

Darach and Lucy are simple enough that you don't even need to fully address their checks, but yeah, those two

[paper mural]

They're finding one unit that check every gimmicks in one ub, so if it's two unit comp they don't count.

[dim lance]

Lucy is near solo-able by Arc Steven also

[uncut drum]

Also by Arc Cynthia

[bright python]

but

it's lucy

[low coral]

Lucy is a Battle Challenge that got lost

[bright python]

unironically

[dim lance]

Adaman full checks Argenta

[bright python]

the fucking pasio subway was honestly harder than lucy

[dim lance]

You also have softer checks

[uncut drum]

Rei counters Palmer

10/5 wrecks him entirely

[dim lance]

Anabel is a pseudo full check to Noland

[paper mural]

Tbf Lucy was introduced when Ground roaster is still under average.

[dim lance]

provided you don't try to like

take the battle too long

[uncut drum]

Anabel is still fighting weak though

So syncs will hurt

[dim lance]

yeah but Noland fully relies on fissure and EQ

the syncs don't touch her at all

the point of noland's gimmick is that his syncs are weak

but he otherwise oneshots you with everytihng else

[paper mural]

Imagine Ground ub introduce this year and try to sell Arc Cynthia.

[dim lance]

Anabel is one of the few units that can ward off at least one EQ

while also having protect twice

since she has crit shield

• reflect

[bright python]

honestly
i wouldn;t be surprised to learn that noland's syncs have 1 bp

[uncut drum]

SS Mina can protect against it too

But only once

[dim lance]

Yeah, Mina has a shorter window but is often just complemented by

a max guard unit

and she's fine

[uncut drum]

Mina is the only unit that can enable a team to survive Palmer's max move

[dim lance]

Anabel gets the most protection on her own, fwiw

Anabel can keep two people alive

well, including herself

the third probably has to max guard also or they die

[low coral]

There's more units that can survive Palmer's Max, but there's no motivation to do so

Such as Chase

[opaque dagger]

Bellelba

[uncut drum]

Bellelba is iffy because she still takes a normal zone max move

[uncut drum]

How exactly Chase survives

After the max move

[low coral]

Same way as Mina, crit shield

Someone else takes care of things like offensive debuffs

[fast pendant]

that's considering your other units don't have a way to remove it

[low coral]

It's just that why would someone run Chase to post-Max Palmer

[uncut drum]

Yeah that's true

[fast pendant]

mina needs cost opportunity syncing to remove zone, it's not like you have it for free

[low coral]

Bellelba also brings screens for further reduction

[uncut drum]

Unless she's 10/5

Then she can do it with rain dance

[dim lance]

bellelba's allies also can't survive off just reflect and crit shield alone

she can, but her allies can't

anabel can at least max guard something

tosakinto did use bellelba against a post sync palmer

it required a zone reset, fully debuffed offenses, and a max guard, I think

[fast pendant]

I don't remember the order but do you need b move to survive max move with mina?

[dim lance]

yes, you do

you will die if you don't have it

[fast pendant]

then 10/5 doesn't fix it

[low coral]

I think you can survive without the B, but the problem is that it happens right after the sync

So you're not at 100%

[fast pendant]

'cause you only have 1 move after palmer sync and you need to choose between b move or rain dance

[uncut drum]

With 10/5 she might be fine without the protect as long as she resets zone

[dim lance]

the only Palmer clear that has allowed for a zone reset while also having Mina's B

as far as I know

is the NY Wallace clear

where you have to gacha for the AoE DG

lol

[fast pendant]

yeah

with 10/5 she might be fine, but the others won't

[dim lance]

the support won't get oneshot

especially post SA

even without DG up

allies will however

[whole field]

Literally 1 health left on my last unit ☠️

I didn't want to candy or cake anyone, but I caked lillie and solgaleo finally.

Garchomp2 had to have "ice guard" because i had no MPR talents for potions, and the blizzards were hurting.

[bright python]

who'g gonna tell him the mpr wasn;t necessary

[whole field]

My Garchomp kept dying from enemy blizzard into first sync

And I needed potions post sync

So potions before and after left my team frail

[floral crypt]

This actually looked possible until bad luck struck

[paper mural]

Can NC Blue survive ice shift hyper beam / giga impact / mega kick?

[floral crypt]

No sadly but Auro was able to be flinched

I still think I fall short damage wise, was a good run

[marble portal]

so where do yall rate Dana in terms of overall UB difficulty

[paper mural]

It's just so unfair. NC Blue weak to one of the most common attack type in ubs when ArcSteven weak to a type that never got used in ubs.

[floral crypt]

He's Ghost-weak?

[low coral]

It'll happen eventually, but Ice is generally a more common move all around

Since Ice has lots of weakness, it can be used on a variety of stages

[pearl pewter]

3 different UBs are ice type

[snow spruce]

3 Ice type UBs is a bit much

[low coral]

And it has multiple types of moves, single target, AoE, multi hit, sure crit, etc.

[paper mural]

Yes. And Arc Steven COULD'VE be ground weak but the dev refuse to make him that coz arcs need to be broken (barring Arc Lance).

[low coral]

Ghost has Shadow Ball

[floral crypt]

Blue handling two of those is great as is

[pearl pewter]

could’ve been rock weak

[low coral]

And, if we're lucky, they introduced Poltergeist

And Ghost is only weak to Dark and Ghost

So not a lot of options there

[floral crypt]

Dear DeNA: Introduce an UB which only uses Ghost-type attacks and isn't weak to Ground.

[low coral]

Even with a Ghost UB, Ghost-type moves are weak

Outside of Type Shift, which is rare

[paper mural]

Ghost ub might be Ingo and Emmet both use chandelier.

[valid raft]

Froslass pls. and make sure it kills AS Cynthia

[floral crypt]

Amen

[snow spruce]

3 Ice UBs failed to to stop AS Cynthia

[small basin]

Why did dena think it was good to make another ultimate battle with double drop x3 bedazzle

I dont have arc steven so im just cooked lol

[humble gyro]

What’s the go to team?

[valid raft]

Weak gimmicks

[low coral]

Rose / Steven / NY Poppy or Arc Cynthia

[paper mural]

The thing is she's never a main tank so she doesn't really face issue like NC Blue will.

[opaque dagger]

There's Poltergeist and some signatures

But ye

[marble portal]

for me I did SS Morty/SC Selene/AS Steven

[low coral]

I mentioned Poltergeist earlier

Ghost signatures are rare, and not all are good

Calyrex is unlikely to be a UB

Giratina could be, but Shadow Force is vulnerable to syncs

[valid raft]

Makes sense

[opaque dagger]

Lunala
Basculegion

[valid raft]

No one would even own it

[low coral]

Lunala would be the best bet in terms of move, but unlikely to be a UB

[valid raft]

Astral Barrage is worse?

[snow spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFZMkRAXK9s&t=254s
looks like Steel did it after all

[gentle wharf]

Yarrdenia and Sailorola gimmicks bet

[paper mural]

You don't need to be popular or signature. You just need to be a battle facility foe's pm.

[valid raft]

I wouldn't be surprised if DeNA decides to be Simpthias and decide to do a gimmick similar to Thorton's for ghost-weak

[low coral]

Astral Barrage is AoE and Moongeist Beam pierces Vigilance

As well as Endurance

[lunar sedge]

https://youtu.be/4jqyWaqqOEI?si=WvbFoVAQDPRcbcBr

[rotund oasis]

oh my the sheningans are heading in here huh

5/5 SS Mina
rip for me then, but ah wells i beat it already xD

[floral crypt]

Going to admit I'm starting to dislike SS Lear's presence as much as the Arc Suits

[low coral]

Why?

[whole field]

My main takeaway from UBs... Is that i dont want to do them a second time lol

[valid raft]

Eh, I hate the AS units more

[low coral]

Lear is nearly always with Steven himself

[floral crypt]

I like him in a vaccum but I don't like him being teamed with Anni Lillie or Arc Steven from an aesthetic and what they represent

[low coral]

Although the concept of disliking the unit appearing itself is weird to me lol

[rotund oasis]

i cleared Dana with Arc Steven 4R, Arc Cynthia 3R (Thank god i didnt have to 5R her, but she'll get her time) and Anni Lillie 5R o.o

[floral crypt]

It's very personal but yeah SS Lear standalone without Anni Lillie or Arc Steven is cool I suppose

[rotund oasis]

problem is, dana destroyed both sync pairs not named Arc Steven 4R on their 2nd sync

[marble portal]

I’m surprised Cynthia worked given her Ice weakness

[whole field]

Golden Lear should have been an Anniversary unit.

It should not have been a post-anni unit.

Thats the only thing i hate about him. ||Arc suits were a mistake. Golden Lear is way more exciting than repeats of pairs we had.||

[rotund oasis]

she survived thanks to Soothing Sand tbh o_o

(Also she didnt spam blizzards for some reason)

[low coral]

Well, he did release during the anni month

[rotund oasis]

(Lots of EQs though)

[fast pendant]

the 1% going back to 30% 😭

[valid raft]

This made me wish all UBs had Super Powered

[humble gyro]

Grids?

[valid raft]

Even if it costs units like NC Blue

[rotund oasis]

the worst feeling too. .-.;

[gentle wharf]

Cynthia’s got a coat on

[rotund oasis]

after she uses Hyper Beam, she let me hit her team with 6 Iron Heads

[gentle wharf]

Ice was doomed to failure

[floral crypt]

Arc Suit Lear in context of this game's existance is awesome. He's not awesome when he's paired with the number 1 unit in the game and an asset flip which people somehow count as a proper alt (?) just to discredit the actual alt that came at the end of the year

[valid raft]

Hoping that ghost-weak UB gets Super Powered 9

[low coral]

Idt Arc Suits being top units is a problem

[valid raft]

So AS Steven gets deleted

[low coral]

Them being pretty lazy with the asset reuse, yeah, that sucks

Makes it hard to actually get excited for Arcs

[snow spruce]

cant imagine AS steven will have a problem surviving Ghost damage UB

[floral crypt]

Also "the steel team" is such an uncreative name, the fact nobody suggested the "rich kids team" as a team name upsets me more than it reasonably should

[rotund oasis]

Like we know it's just going to be Champions.... for now....

[rigid pivot]

Took a couple resets but

Did it with 1/5 rose

[rotund oasis]

wait 1/5 Rose Cool 😮

how about Scizor?

[gentle wharf]

Ooh SCelene

[floral crypt]

Yeah Max Rockfall cool

[rigid pivot]

Scizor for me was 3/5

No ex role

[humble gyro]

Don’t understand this fucking battle

[gentle wharf]

Get rid of hail and ice zone

Watch out because your accuracy will drop from every hit they do

[marble portal]

SC Selene appreciation

[floral crypt]

-Erase weather (1)
-Erase zones (3)
-Acuity, Piercing Gaze MVP

[rotund oasis]

Change Weather immediately, have Zone 3 times (Entry, 80% and 30%), and if you miss, they heal up really fast.

[rigid pivot]

I’m surpised at just how much damage rose was doing at 1/5

Haven’t used him in a while cause of lillie but damn

[rotund oasis]

(oh if you miss, they gain SMUN and PMUN .-.)

that's just scary.

i'm waiting for a Poppy clear tbh.

[gentle wharf]

Didn’t someone already do it

[rotund oasis]

oh? link me? D:

[lunar sedge]

I call em Steelversary

[valid raft]

Now, how will I do this without the one who's grounded and bounded to be overrated?

[rotund oasis]

arc steven is 4R yeah?

[floral crypt]

That's the other reason I dislike them lol, they rep the 5th Anniversary which I didn't like

[gentle wharf]

… no I think that was NY Poppy and not normal Poppy, sorry

[rigid pivot]

Yeah, I was able to 4/5 thanks to the ray event

[floral crypt]

"The Steel team" triggers me more than a all Arc Suits team

[lunar sedge]

From FB

[rugged bolt]

I beat the UB, with Arc Steven, Lillie and Arc Cynthia, it took some tries to time the zone, also because in Spanish says 80 and 50% when it's actually 80 and 30%

[rotund oasis]

hum i had like 4 omni candies, might as well. i figured she'd be evil, and yeah she is evil ;_;

[gentle wharf]

SS Nemona is a choice haha

[rotund oasis]

wait steel zone el-poppy?

she can do steel zone rather?

[lunar sedge]

Don't SS Nemona have circle?

[rotund oasis]

she does

[low coral]

That's kinda her selling point lol

[floral crypt]

All Arc Suits stems from the days of Triple Kantrio, 3rd Anni trio type-beat teams. "The steel team" is an Arc Suit, an alright asset flip and a cool mixed hybrid jambled into a team that I just... don't vibe with at all

[humble gyro]

So Sandstorm turn 1, then at 80% another sandstorm and on 30% max Rockfall?

[low coral]

She's an alternative to Lillie that has more Zone and damage in exchange for less Sprint

[rotund oasis]

wokay let me check her kit, i dimissed her cuz i dont have a habit of rolling seasonals unless they're named favourites xD

[pearl pewter]

it’s just the nc blue sst red ash team brought into post 5th anni

brute forces through everything

and very expensive to make

[floral crypt]

I vibe with NC Blue SST Red Ash because Ash isn't the best striker anymore

[rotund oasis]

oh wow, 3 uses of Steel Zone, that's actually pretty impressive.

[floral crypt]

It barely hangs on at times

[rotund oasis]

Gimmicky but impressive

[humble gyro]

Is there a video of Rose ArcSteven and ArcCynthia?

[dim lance]

https://youtu.be/AFZMkRAXK9s?si=u2j-buNxGloJtgeZ

Lol

[pearl pewter]

people call it by different names but i just call it big steel since it is iconic, easily represents the whole typing like big electric does

[dim lance]

Nvm

[rotund oasis]

dang i should've recorded it but ah wells.

[dim lance]

Someone did it already

[pearl pewter]

in harder content at least

[dim lance]

Tosakinto's clears are also up

[rotund oasis]

i'm sure someone will make the same team as i did xD

[pearl pewter]

the 9/5 ss mina clear?

[rigid pivot]

It’s funny to me that even as an weakness to ice cythina tanks the blizzards decently well

But at the same time crazy

Also I have cythina but like 4 golden candies….pain

[bright python]

i call it "steel team six"

[dim lance]

Yes

[pearl pewter]

always the Japanese that come up with the most creative ideas

team healing entry is not often seen used on ASS

[floral crypt]

Inform me if Holiday Lillie SS Mina SS Gladion is done yet I spent 30 minutes trying that before trying the Rose NC Blue SC Selene team

[elfin valve]

Ive used team healing entry on all my Ub clears with Arc Steven!

Also, big fan of the rich kids team

[low coral]

Team Healing Entry is pretty good, if you don't need Adrenaline 1, that's probably the go to Lucky Skill

[warm haven]

nice

[pearl pewter]

I just run CS2 on mine

[valid raft]

How many of the Battle Facility Foes are left that haven't been turned to UBs yet?

Red, Submas, Greta and Dahlia and who else?

[sour elk]

This is crazy lol, Dana's health bouncing from 1% was so scary

[void cave]

I think we only have 3 Ultimate Battles left, and I don't think we're getting any more Hoenn Brains

I think Dahlia is gonna be Bug weak, Ingo and Emmet will be Ghost weak, and then Red, Blue, and Leaf will be a mixed weakness

[valid raft]

We have 15 UBs right now, which means 2 more

Ghost and Bug

[void cave]

Yeah, but unless they give Red Espeon, I don't see him being either of those

And we know Red is gonna have one cause he's in the Rally art with everyone else

[fast pendant]

There's no reason for them to stop at the number of types

[void cave]

I suppose so

[valid raft]

Well, they haven't made a UB that doesn't have repeating weakness

[void cave]

But until we can confirm otherwise, all we have to go off of is the types they're weak to

[low coral]

Dana repeats Rock

[lunar sedge]

most likely outcome ig is for them to be strictly battle facility bosses

[void cave]

For some reason

[valid raft]

Mainly for steel

[warm haven]

we got the first multi weakness UB and with an existing type

[fast pendant]

Mainly, yes, but they could've made it 100% steel

and didn't

[void cave]

I almost want to call it an oversite, but it's probably just so Rose can Max Rockfall it for Sandstorm

[fast pendant]

it's anything but an oversite

[warm haven]

still you want to use steel moves with rose because of the mid

[valid raft]

Well, there are only 2 possibilities for it:

• They want to showcase Rose and/or OG Raihan
• They want us to prepare for the upcoming UBs being more than 1 weakness

[warm haven]

NC Silver has great performance here tho

[fast pendant]

only 2, didn't know you were working for them

[valid raft]

[gentle wharf]

You know what that means

Ultimate Battle Ground Weak 2

lol

[lunar sedge]

I honestly could see point 2 IF submas UB is going to be Ghost mainly weak and Emmet being a sole ground weak

[warm haven]

oh w8, the HSE is also rock+ice

we might get something related to those types next month

[void cave]

But yeah, my current theory for the time being, until confirmed otherwise, is Ingo and Emmet for Ghost, probably using Chandelure, and Dahlia for Bug with Ludicolo, and then SOMETHING with Red, probably also with Leaf and Blue, being weak to multiple types probably

[warm haven]

(red & lapras + blue & rhydon )

[dim lance]

why tho

it's already happening now tho

[sour elk]

What could they even throw at Arc Cynthia lol, she kinda checks everything

[dim lance]

though in any case, all the chatelaines have their own UBs now

[void cave]

Would be neat if Red and Blue didn't already have an Ice and Rock pair respectively lmao

[warm haven]

Because UBs are somewhat unrelated to the current month

[valid raft]

Ice moves with Super Powered

[warm haven]

NC Silver came months after darach

[void cave]

Plus, they can't introduce too many Blues before Arc Suit Blue

[dim lance]

UBs aren't related to anything, fwiw, but who knows, I guess

Also, give a UB where you can't debuff stuff

[sour elk]

4th ice UB just to spite her

[dim lance]

or at least where you can't debuff offenses

or something

[warm haven]

But this time we got a double weakness UB so that makes it weird

[stable storm]

fire gio but I feel that's cheating

[dim lance]

Oh right, lol

that was insane, ye

[void cave]

Can't wait for powercreep to get to a point where someone beats a UB on Auto

[fast pendant]

it's probably doable against Lucy

[warm haven]

yeah

[void cave]

That's what I was thinking

Anyone wanna try that

[warm haven]

arc steven already duos it with an eggmon

[void cave]

Arc Steven and Antitoxin Arc Cynthia could probably get pretty far on their own on Auto

[stable storm]

I think gio eating up all the debuffs for himself kinda negates the non gimmick check?

[opaque dagger]

If that's a gimmick check

Then flinch also is and it's a bigger one

or wide guard

None of them interact with debuffs

But they do help to avoid your team/sides getting debuffed

Or even buffing yourself helps counter debuffs

[stable storm]

https://youtu.be/AFZMkRAXK9s?si=vQMY9fvhlywHziAl

oh giga steel already brute forced dana

@snow spruce

4:18

[humble gyro]

I’m getting so fucked up

[paper mural]

So the remaining teams are: Arc duo + mix Red, 5A steel, and SSAG + fire

Every include 1 arc. All non arc teams die again.

[stable storm]

Giga steel sounds more epic ngl

[stable storm]

steel is the cheapest comp there by far

[paper mural]

Oh wait I'll call it 5A steel coz everyone is from 5 anni.

[snow spruce]

it was already posted twice

[low coral]

We're gonna need an emote for reposting

[stable storm]

not enough

[low coral]

You kinda need to for the bruteforcing of Anabel and Nita when you can't remove their boosts

The defensive rebuff

[stable storm]

now it's the power of wallet

[snow spruce]

I like how its "fire team", "steel team" and then "Cynthia + stuff", not "ground team"

[pearl pewter]

ground is carried by one unit

[low coral]

Well, because there's as many Ground-types as there are Steels and Grass there

[paper mural]

You talked like 3 MFs team is not "open your wallet", which is not true?

[paper mural]

They had the chance to make NY Poppy powercreep 5ALillie since it's the new steel zone unit but they decided not to.

[warm haven]

they did

[low coral]

Poppy is stronger than Lillie

[warm haven]

Poppy is better, just prob not suitable for those specific clears

[paper mural]

Yeah I mean in that specific team.

[low coral]

Poppy is stronger than Lillie on that team too

Just won't do a full clear

but she'll generally provide more comfortable clears

[lunar sedge]

the art channel uses the ♻️ emote usually for any respoted content

[stable storm]

rich kids and nepotism are common names for big steel yes

[stable storm]

no one is calling a team with only 1 ground, ground team

[stable storm]

tbf they had lower pity and only went upto 3/5

[sour elk]

I think it's fair since Cynthia is the only ground rep in her best teams, so far all ground type partners have been redundant with her since she can easily handle the damage output on her own, so it's more of a Cynthia toolbox paradigm

[stable storm]

the top 3 teams essentially are:

1. Arc duo+ whatever covers what they don't (mix red)

2. ASS, SS Lear, Sillie/Ny poppy(Fuck gimmick checking, we bruteforce)

3. SSAG, ASLE and Nc Leaf(Less brute force than steel but better gimmick checking)

do ya all think any non steel comp will ever brute force dana?

[paper mural]

Wait for Arc Ice. Positive ice rebuff to help team survive.

[stable storm]

arc ice could be Cynthia v2 maybe

irida on steroids

[sour elk]

Ice Arc Cynthia would struggle with Dana I think

[lunar sedge]

Arc Hala

[stable storm]

Inb4 they release ice support that's stronger than ASS

[paper mural]

Yeah Arc Ice should be support and tankier than AS to make brute forcing Dana work.

[sour elk]

Stronger than Arc Stev is quite the task, but yeah I think that would be the best upgrade to the NC Red + Irida core, that or a power crept Irida

[sour elk]

Arc Lorelei & Jynx with Psychic Noise

Lol heal block would be so broken when it comes up

[dim inlet]

Ez first try (I almost shat myself)

[stable storm]

heal block would be intresting

[low coral]

The Arcs tend to retain part of the base unit qualities

Ice is most likely Irida, so it'll probably have Icy Wind + Zone/Hail

[stable storm]

irida pro max when

[low coral]

But I imagine she would be a Field Arc, rather than a Support

[stable storm]

irida finally getting field (like she should have with exr....)

[sour elk]

Wait Jynx doesn't get psychic noise, ironically Lapras does

Adaman and Irida do seem like the best candidates for Arc grass/ice, it would be a cool follow-up to the whole Almighty Sinnoh

[stable storm]

arc adaman is gonna kick himself out of his own team

[snow spruce]

fully bruteforcing Dana isnt really possible, much less offtype.
even with with an ice-type Arc Cynthia

[stable storm]

has any other team done dana without changing weather at least

other than big steel ofc

[sour elk]

It doesn't seem doable other than for steel, and mainly because of the super effective bonus

[stable storm]

what could even stop steel now

[sour elk]

Dana is pretty ridiculous as a weather check, I thought the lack of weather would doom them at some point but no

[paper mural]

They'll be doomed if it's not happen to ontype.

[sour elk]

Another terrain UB would also be dangerous for them

[stable storm]

we all thought steel weak would be fodder vs giga steel

[sour elk]

We still need a grassy terrain UB and a psychic one

[stable storm]

dana but terrain could maybe kill steel?

[low coral]

Well, for now

[paper mural]

But that'll only happen if they repeat type.

[stable storm]

ghost can't be psychic terrain I feel as no ghost removes terrain

[low coral]

6th anni onwards Arcs are most likely gonna be stronger than Cynthia and Steven

[snow spruce]

Another Dana thats not Steel weak would stop them.
But thats not likely on Bug or Ghost weak UBs

[stable storm]

same for grassy terrain and bug

[paper mural]

Yeah ghost and bug can't be Nita or Dana coz the roaster just bad.

[stable storm]

wtf does ghost do a lot as a type anyways

[low coral]

Debuff

[stable storm]

Another one???

[low coral]

Can also be status

[stable storm]

anything else that ghost does common?

[paper mural]

Unless they make Arc Bug before bug ub and make the ub revolve around it.

[stable storm]

oh status

[low coral]

PM doesn't have a lot of depth in battle mechanics, so yeah lol

The recent UBs are all kinda powercrept versions of old ones with different types

[warm haven]

it woud prob be status, to abuse hex

[stable storm]

maybe status+ fluid fort for ghost

or maybe heavy status focus

[low coral]

So most new UBs are likely gonna be an adapted version of two old gimmicks together

Or more

[stable storm]

Leon+ mr on steroids just without the field effect part

what does bug do often as a type

[low coral]

Be bad

And debuff SpA

[snow spruce]

there are a few Halloween ghost pairs with burn IIRC. But they're very mid
only SS Ingo is good
the other good ones - SC Irida/SSR Cynthia/Yarrdenia etc.. none of them have status cond.

[paper mural]

Bug can be another zone ub if arc bug has it.

[low coral]

I mean, if they wanna do something a bit more creative, they can remove Piercing Gaze and make it dodge/fail based

[stable storm]

bug could be nita on steroids but without weather and focus on special attack debuffs

[low coral]

Between Phantom Force, Shadow Force, Ghosts boosting evasion, and paralysis

[stable storm]

does piercing gaze ignore hidden states

like phantom presence

they could do Noland 2

[paper mural]

Ghost ub maybe Noland ub v2?

[warm haven]

or make another fissure based UB

[paper mural]

Dodge.

[sour elk]

So Evelyn on steroids

[stable storm]

Noland but fatter and with less hilarious moves and status gimmick too

[low coral]

I doubt it'll be dodge based regardless

[sour elk]

Noland with 3x defenses and crit block if not statused would be tough

[low coral]

It's more likely to combine status conditions with status changes

[stable storm]

and fatter

why status change

[low coral]

Because I doubt they would do single gimmick

[sour elk]

I think Ghosts tend to confuse or trap so that wouldn't be out of ordinary

[low coral]

And there's quite a few Ghosts with status change due to Confuse Ray, trap, or Restrain

[stable storm]

so status+ confusion/trap?

[warm haven]

more confuse than trap

they have confuse ray

[stable storm]

ss ingo ub?

[warm haven]

rebuff clearing UB with TMs

[stable storm]

ub that counters rebuff status changes

to fuck nc kantrio and arcs

[paper mural]

Bug could be Nemona but zone.
Fat sides for SC Barry's bmove and status change for arc bug.

[stable storm]

bug will be whatever arc bug is

[low coral]

I think the only non-damage based Ghost that doesn't have any form of status condition or change is base Phoebe

[opaque dagger]

Nah, have them turn negative rebuffs into positive rebuffs
Downside up for rebuff

[low coral]

Interference wouldn't count Rebuff already

[snow spruce]

Getting there slowly

[dark dust]

I rewatched this. I think I now have a clear idea on how I'll approach this

[dim lance]

mfw the process of making this video

is making me more annoyed with Rose

lo

he keeps flinching when I don't want him to

[fervent mulch]

Suffering from success

[lusty moat]

By any chance can we use ss mina or ss morty for support as I don't have as steven and my Cynthia is 3/5

[fast pendant]

Yes, Mina should be fine

[lusty moat]

Mina should be at ?/5 ?!?

[low coral]

3/5 helps with tanking, but 1/5 should still work

[lusty moat]

I am not able to do it

Can I have a video for reference .

[uncut drum]

The main thing is to remove zone and weather

Oh and also to not miss, so Acuity/Impervious is needed

Mina can work, but she needs acuity

[lusty moat]

Ok

[alpine quiver]

Anyone know how much HP and Def. Dana has?

[pliant jewel]

                3456 Attack
                83 Defense
                3456 Sp. Atk
                83 Sp. Def
                67 Speed```

[spare lion]

3456 offenses 😭

[lusty moat]

😭 I am only able to get till it's 80% hp and then everyone start dying

[humble gyro]

same here

[alpine quiver]

Huh...
Maybe that's why I feel like she takes no damage even when hit with super good steel-type attacks

[lunar sedge]

They made her so fat since they know just how overtuned the Steelversary team is in UBs lol

[alpine quiver]

Yeah 😓

Suffering from success

[lusty moat]

@alpine quiver can u try 2/5 ss mina 3/5 as Cynthia and 5/5 anni lillie ?

[alpine quiver]

I do not have 2/5 SS Mina, unfortunately

[lusty moat]

I mean can u use the 2/5 grid

[alpine quiver]

I mean mine is 1/5

[lusty moat]

Ooh okay

Can u try with it ?

[alpine quiver]

I mean, I can try it
but, I do not know how she will tank or even survive

[lusty moat]

Okay plz let me know if it's possible to do so

[lunar sedge]

Trust in the Lillie potion spam

[lusty moat]

Should I use the potion grid for lillie ?

[alpine quiver]

Yeah, I do not see her getting it done. She either needs Acuity for Acc. drops and risks not having Vigilance

[golden steppe]

• You most likely need to re-zone after Dana puts up Ice zone again

2/5 Mina only has 1 zone

[lunar sedge]

Zona casting shouldn't be a problem if you have ALillie

[fast pendant]

the other partners are Cynthia and Lillie, zone management shouldn't be a problem

[golden steppe]

Ahh

[distant estuary]

Just cleared Dana with Arc Steven, Arc Cynthia, SS Lear

[lunar sedge]

It's the timing that should be worried, getting to the endurance threshold can be kinda tricky

[distant estuary]

Ugh... probably a good thing I pulled on the latest masterfair/arcfair, because this is one of the harder one in awhile

Which types are remaining again? Bug and?

[golden steppe]

Ghost

[lunar sedge]

We have Red and submas left from the rally start screen

[distant estuary]

Ugh, why do I have a feeling ghost is gonna be painful

[lunar sedge]

Ingo and emmet EBE remastered to ghost weak + make it more annoying

[distant estuary]

it's nice that Arc Cynthia had a purpose for Dana fight besides just ground damage

[alpine quiver]

NO
NO
NO
NO

YOU STOP THAT RIGHT NOW

I HATE IT

[lunar sedge]

[north chasm]

hell nah bruh wtf is this

siri find me a unit with zone mprs

and also impervious or piercing gaze

oh its ny poppy

[marble portal]

Rose does well too

nuker for me tho was SC Selene

[final yacht]

First thing I'll try with 10/5 Palmer is beat Dana's ass

[marble portal]

so what, is this the "have NY Poppy/AS Cynthia/SC Selene/Rose or die" stage?

[north chasm]

where is roses zone lol

he has the piercing gaze

[marble portal]

I mean if you have a zone setter elsewhere he works

[north chasm]

i think the intended team is arc steven rose and ny poppy

[final yacht]

he has weather

[marble portal]

like I went back and did Rose/SC Selene/AS Steven

my first clear was SS Morty/SC Selene/AS Steven completely forgetting Rose does weather

[north chasm]

rose is probably intended for use

the rock weak side mon

and he never misses

[lunar sedge]

yeah it's Rose and whoever can set steel zone at least 3 times

[marble portal]

how many units can do tht

[lunar sedge]

tho bruteforcing the last 30% is possible from what i heard

[final yacht]

so poppy

[marble portal]

is it just SC Selene and NY Poppy

[final yacht]

pal marnie can

pretty sure she has mpr

[marble portal]

ah

feel like Selene might work a bit better than Poppy

[north chasm]

marnie needs 3/5 and i have her 2/5 cry

[marble portal]

unless I'm reading it wrong, doesn't Poppy set zone in 3 hits

with the 0 berry zone

[north chasm]

ny poppy and sc selene have sure hit b moves they’re def better than marnie

[final yacht]

yeah

[marble portal]

ik she does entry and has it with sync

[final yacht]

ngl that's another unit with stupid berry design

[marble portal]

Selene controls zone better

2 manual uses + field sync

and has MPR on top of that

[north chasm]

ss cyrus has an acuity tile in the worst location ever

[final yacht]

at least it exists

[north chasm]

not that sleep is useful but you could just use zone and debuffs

[marble portal]

yep

that's what I did for Giovanni

used Dark Void for SMUN boosts and boost Power Play

[north chasm]

zone is at 80% and 30% right?

i havent made it to 30% yet

[marble portal]

yes

[final yacht]

I haven't made it to 100% yet

[marble portal]

where does this UB overall rate for difficulty

[north chasm]

its up there

checks for zone weather and sure hit/impervious

thats a lot

first one that checks for zone

[sour elk]

I think it's a good candidate for hardest UB along with Nita, checking her weather and zone is kinda limiting

[mental jasper]

honestly once I cleared for the first time I came around on this UB and actually ended up liking it quite a bit

[north chasm]

this would be a lot more manageable if it wasnt for the accuracy gimmick imo

tried ss mina, she missed a draining kiss, dana heals 20%?????

so cool

[final yacht]

ridicure 9 moment

[mental jasper]

as opposed to Nita where there’s the constant threat of speed buffing, here there’s just a couple key spots you need to lock in on

[snow spruce]

this is my top 3 UB in both difficulty and in how much I like it

[lunar sedge]

Time to slap acuity and loath nat crit

[north chasm]

well her tm gives crit shield

that can help somewhat

might try her w acuity ls

[lunar sedge]

Yeah but unless you can secure a for sure win before Dana second sync I'd rather save that TM after her DHA+

[small basin]

do yall think ss morty + sc selene + solgalillie could beat dana

[north chasm]

yeah probably

[final yacht]

how do you plan on dealing with the last 30%

[north chasm]

sc selene

[final yacht]

oh wait sc selene

[small basin]

mpr

[final yacht]

nvm

[north chasm]

morty will want acuity

[small basin]

4/5, 3/5, 5/5 respectively, all exr

[north chasm]

or just never use flame charge

[small basin]

acuity it is

would selene and lillie want cs2/sp3 or just vigilance

[north chasm]

not sure

[lunar sedge]

Good luck so we can have more in the arcless team comps

You can try with CS2 first

[small basin]

literally 😭

as someone w/o arc cyn or steven i literally just feel at a loss

and no ss lear either

[lunar sedge]

If you can't secure a win before Dana's second sync, go for vig

[spare lion]

I got ss lear 3/5, arc steven 4/5, arc cynthia 3/5 and anni lillie 5/5 but im too lazy 💔

[pliant cove]

when exactly do Dana reset her zone?

[pliant jewel]

entry, 80%, 30%

[marble portal]

ill try that team too

the SolgaLillie/SC Selene/SS morty one

[pliant cove]

thanks!

[marble portal]

welp Morty got a 1000 blow from something so that aint happening

[sweet bear]

Whats the trick on the evil mastermind other than fairy rebuff

[spare lion]

Destroy dark zone 🔥

[sweet bear]

Tried with this team couldnt get him below 50

[lunar sedge]

Did you get crit? 😭

[spare lion]

Since dark zone triples defenses and giogio is tanky af

[neat needle]

Is my roster feasible for Dana? Is she one of the ez or hard ones?

[marble portal]

no, Morty just took a lot all at once

[marble portal]

She looks like one of the harder ones

Needing weather and zone make it tough.

There's like....three I think that can do both, of which 1 is just useless. So you're using 2 units dealing with gimmicks.

[neat needle]

Which are?

SS Mina

And

Idk

[marble portal]

The useless one is Irida. The others are SS Mina and AS Cynthia.

Irida just hinders, so that ain't an option.

[pliant jewel]

swap gio with additonal damage, otherwise you'll need post-sync rebuff

[marble portal]

Ik AS Cyn can work, but do be warned she's weak to Ice.

[neat needle]

I have AS Cynth but only at 1/5

And I don’t have Mina

[marble portal]

Not sure what level she needs, I just know people have done it

[sweet bear]

I could use arc cynth

[neat needle]

Something like SS Silver, AS Cynth, and AS Steven?

[marble portal]

Uh....lemme check Silver real quick. You are gonna have -6 defences.

Accuracy. Not defence.

Yeah...Silver prob won't do.

[pliant jewel]

ncSilver has PG at 3/5. He just doesn't have zone.

[pliant jewel]

sure.

[marble portal]

ah ok

I mean, if they're planning to run Silver with Cynthia it should work right

oh nvm, Cyn only does zone if she sets sand, not anyone on the team

[pliant jewel]

you'll have to hail mary for 30% -> 0% with 1/5 arc cyn.

[marble portal]

has anyone brute forced that yet

[pliant jewel]

Though, ss Lear does a lot of damage around then, so he might be able to hold out for a bit.

[uncut drum]

https://youtu.be/1Lp6kXb8kzg

SS Hilda and SS Mina gaming

[marble portal]

also note that there's a side (think left?) that prevents crit if ice zone

[pliant jewel]

yeah they need to be dead or KO'd, preferably while they have something queued

[marble portal]

and there's the right side that has hail

when I first did it I wasnt aware and got lucky with Metallic Bullet Punch already targetting right

[pliant jewel]

the first listed replay shows them playing through ice zone at 30%, but it was 5/5 arc cyn and 3/5 ssLear

[pliant cove]

Thanks for this i was able to complete it easily 👍🏻

A!Lillie is maxed, ArcCyn 3/5, ArcSteven 4/5

[alpine quiver]

woo!

[sweet bear]

Wow now screamtail gets oneshot by sludge wace

[pliant jewel]

I proritize the sp.def buffs. She can live.

[fervent mulch]

Nemona is very frail

[lunar sedge]

3/5 Anni Raihan, NY Poppy + 4/5 ASS
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15uzUyk18E/

[north chasm]

facebook

[olive hull]

They're not messing around with this Giovanni battle. A shock after how easy the others were

I keep getting the Fairy units I thought I needed and now that I have them, it doesn't even matter. I've got Penny and SS Wally, and yet still barely doing any damage at all. What's the trick here? I should have bought SS Gladion?

[arctic nest]

??

SS Gladion pretty good yeah

I did it with Penny+SSHau+SSGladion

[olive hull]

Well I can't buy the answer this time around. So what are my options? Just give up?

[arctic nest]

What’s your best Fairy DPS?

Or Nuke.

[alpine quiver]

I consider it an EBE at this point

[olive hull]

These are like the kind of battles you're not meant to win at all

[arctic nest]

Unfortunately Fairy has a lot of stuff locked behind being limited

Actually your third could just be a damage dealer right?

You clear with Zone+Rebuff

So third must focus on damage

[alpine quiver]

BP Valerie

[arctic nest]

But like would any damage dealer do fine here?

Like NCRed

[olive hull]

Basically it's over after the opponent's first sync

[alpine quiver]

only one way to find out. I'm gonna give it a go

[arctic nest]

Oh dear

Those are some low levels

Mine were all 3/5 EXR

[olive hull]

If that's what it takes to even stand a chance, I'll just drop this

[alpine quiver]

Red was frozen from the enemy's Blizzard
the irony

I just tried to shove Red into my F2P team to take Valerie's place and it went about as well as you could imagine for a unit that kind of relies on rebuff to nuke hard

[olive hull]

So, battle is impossible?

[paper mural]

If Gio doesn't have negative status change (trap, confusion, rebuff, etc) he gains triple def/spdef.
Also Gio's sync clears rebuff.

[alpine quiver]

well, not exactly
I see you have BP Valerie EXd...

🥹

[olive hull]

Without a means to lower SpAtk, I'm not landing a second sync

[alpine quiver]

what's your support roster look like?

[uncut drum]

Level up your units. Wally and Penny being in the 110s is too low of a level

The stat boosts matter

[olive hull]

Suppose I did that. Would it affect the strategy in any meaningful way?

[mental jasper]

Yes, because damage ranges are real

[alpine quiver]

when battles are this hard, levels tend to matter

[paper mural]

Also theme skill levels if you can max those, and 3* gears.

Every bit of hp stat can make a difference.

[fast pendant]

what are your other stronger options besides fairy

[olive hull]

Off-typing? I'd rather not, but what have others done?

[fast pendant]

let's start with any options that have rebuff

[uncut drum]

Yes because then chances are you wouldn't die so easily

The more stats you have, the more damage you do and the less damage you take

[olive hull]

Here's roughly everything I've got

[fast pendant]

I think SST Red, NC Blue and A Lillie (Solgaleo) is a good clear, I can try later, I can see a few others but that's what I would start with

[alpine quiver]

Easy to survive until the very end

[olive hull]

How do you clear zone so you don't get one-shot turn 1?

[alpine quiver]

Falkner

Defog

[north chasm]

wait dana doesnt have wide awake

can actually be sleeped... somewhat

[snow spruce]

she has resilience extension 9

[north chasm]

somewhat

i def need offensive debuffs for this im struggling

[gentle wharf]

What team are you trying

[short oyster]

Can this beat the gio event?

[north chasm]

finally got it

needing 2 arc suits is depressing

steven is 1/5 cynthia is 2/5

almost screamed when i saw abomasnow set hail again but thankfully winter coat doesnt affect sync moves

[marble portal]

grats

that’s def one of the lower investment teams

[short oyster]

Nevermind electric team is OP

SS Hau, SST Red, Neo Blue, prosper

[dark dust]

Ngl the map being 30% endure is screwing me

[low coral]

Since I saw some people commenting Lance was left out from Dana earlier, here it is

[shrewd marten]

noice

wot move level

[low coral]

5/5 Lucas, 4/5 Lance, 4/5 Morty

It's in the in-game replays now

[alpine quiver]

Acuity on Morty?

[golden steppe]

Or maybe Sunny Disposition

[alpine quiver]

I thought that until I read 4/5

[low coral]

Yes, Acuity Morty, CS2 Lance, Vigilance Lucas

[modern portal]

Henlo Ropalme.

[low coral]

I wouldn't run Sunburst Sunmy Disposition even if I had 5/5

[low coral]

It's way too expensive

[modern portal]

So do we think Dana is the hardest Ultimate Battle?

[low coral]

Nah

[shrewd marten]

why need acuity on supporr?

[modern portal]

Ridicure.

[stable storm]

it's around nita imo

[modern portal]

Who would you think is harder.

[low coral]

Dana's for sure easier than Nita, imo

[stable storm]

it's harder to check but much easier when you check it

[low coral]

Dana just makes the life of Hail + Ice Zone or teams that can't compress those harder

[stable storm]

so really depends on if you prioritise checking difficulty or difficulty that comes after checking the fight

[low coral]

But the stage is relatively non-threatening

Nita makes the life hard even for those who remove sand and debuff Speed

[shrewd marten]

dana just says get compression nerd

(aka arc cynthia)

[low coral]

And the other annoying part is how fat the stage is

[modern portal]

I see, I think I still find Dana more difficult just because the restriction is rough.

Not that I struggled beating it, just talking in general.

[stable storm]

yeah she's harder to me because I prioritise restrictiveness a lot

[low coral]

She's hard in a similar way that Nemona is hard

In that she limits a lot those who can't compress both gimmicks

[sour elk]

Nita, Nemona and Dana are kinda the top 3 when it comes to difficulty

[stable storm]

Unless you are steel comp

[low coral]

I find Masked worse than Dana and Nemona

[stable storm]

no other team has done hail dana I think

[modern portal]

Also the Accuracy debuffing is terrible without Acuity, and sometimes if you run Acuity you can't afford, i.e, Vigilance.

[low coral]

Well, Steel is already removing the Zone

[stable storm]

you mean fighting him? I understand. Him and Leon are my least favourite ubs to fight . Mr is worse tho

[stable storm]

yes but it's not removing the third and not compressing both

[modern portal]

I don't see how Dana in Hail is possible with 14% tick healing off 900k health and 90% damage reduction.

[sour elk]

Hail Dana is not really possible, Steel only managed by being super effective and handling half the gimmicks which is not fully brute forcing like they did Nemona/MR

[stable storm]

tbf Dana having just dh+ instead of sure crit means that surviving her second sync is possible

[modern portal]

Ain't exactly fun.

[stable storm]

steel has done

a while ago

[low coral]

Yeah, I wouldn't really risk it, and I find DHA+ arguably worse

[stable storm]

just some resetting

[modern portal]

Flinches are a saving grace huh.

[low coral]

Since it makes you worry about sides for longer

[stable storm]

dh+ can technically not be harmful at all

[low coral]

Sure crit is one and done for each

Yes, but do you want to try resetting for the battle after that long on pretty unfavorable conditions?

[sour elk]

DH+ also makes the regular moves like Blizzard a lot more threatening

[stable storm]

I use Lear a ton. I am used to heavy rng and resetting. I would assume most would probably rather not tho

[low coral]

What does Lear have to do with that?

[low coral]

Eh, flinches help, but not that big due to extension

[stable storm]

I do janky Lear clears that require 5-6 snatch mprs

[low coral]

Being 9

[sour elk]

He favours dps mults like Furious Brain over Soften Up too

The Lear experience

[stable storm]

yes

[modern portal]

What team?

[low coral]

The 90% damage reduction is a bit misleading since Lillie pierces it and she doesn't reduce Sync Move damage

She only reduces move damage

[modern portal]

Oh that's how.

Piercing Blows.

Makes sense.

[stable storm]

the normal big steel comp. ASS, Sillie and ss Lear

[low coral]

No, the sync is just from Dana's passive

Winter Coat is only for normal moves

You can keep syncing with SS Lear like you always do, there won't be a damage reduction even under Hail

[stable storm]

Ss Lear still needed up hitting respectable numbers at the end of steel clear with b move iirc?

[low coral]

It also helps that Morty is such a strong to keep Dana more manageable

As he fits teams that already have Zone quite well

Or, in case of Fairy or Rain, you can run Mina

[elfin valve]

Ooooh it felt good to clear this first try . Thanks to the $$$ kids in town!

[sour elk]

Yeah he was hitting like 8K with Make It Rain and 17K with B move through Winter Coat 9 that was crazy

Even Steven was hitting 5K through winter coat that's crazy for the support slot

[stable storm]

anni 5 trio seems to be the most common dana team

[stable storm]

didn't he land the final blow

[sour elk]

Yeah, Dana bounced from 1% to 30% , then Lear's sync knocked her down to 1% and Steven finished the fight with 5.3K Iron Head

[stable storm]

they buried her in money

literally

why are all steel comp members and a lot of steel units in general rich

[sour elk]

Is "paying in metallic" an expression for paying with cash in ENG/JP too ?

[sour elk]

Who else is rich besides 5A Steel and Rose ?

[stable storm]

raihan is rich I am pretty sure

[sour elk]

MC & Solgaleo (🐋) ?

[shrewd marten]

i like how lance doesnt get to be in the cool kids club

[stable storm]

depends on if the amount of coins we have counts

[stable storm]

he would be praised a lot more if he wasn't an anni unit in the strongest in the strongest type of banner

[alpine quiver]

Why is that? Lack of energy?

[stable storm]

he's less powerful than even SS Lear

[sour elk]

Brain Frontiers like Thorton and E4 like Poppy and Wikstrom seem like they would be well off, having a nice job, but I don't know if the would count as rich since they still need to work for that coin

[low coral]

Yeah, you give up on the Potions

[stable storm]

big steel has the power of nepotism

[sour elk]

I wonder if Devon is worth more than Aether foundation or vice versa

Lear having Hoopa and Goldhengo is literally creating arbitrary amounts of money

[formal matrix]

Nepotism theme skill when

[bright python]

that's called arc suits

[stable storm]

SS Lear is the literal embodiment of money

[snow spruce]

https://imgur.com/a/RAwj3iT
15/15 done with Blue + Milo + ASC
already added
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1unwNqwt18yroGqlEpdcnvYBhpn7KdX-ZCD53vqiufzg/edit?gid=1190611733#gid=1190611733
Didnt full record all clears, only some

Not having Adrenaline 1 on Milo was annoying.
out of Deluxe cookies for months

[dark dust]

I almost got it but I made a mistake

[stable storm]

ghost ub might have a chance of ending big steel

[olive hull]

I don't get how this is supposed to work. Damage output is bad and damage received is worse.

[stable storm]

nc blue has a 15/15 now, nice

[snow spruce]

Milo vindicated

[stable storm]

what do you want the ghost ub to be like btw

I feel like that's our next ub

[formal matrix]

Ghost UB be like spamming shadow ball non-stop so ASS suffers

[snow spruce]

I expected ghost-weak UB to be the one to require zone replacement. Maybe they repeat it again lol
Ghost pairs do some debuffing, some interference (confusion/trap etc.)
requiring dodge ghost moves to survive fissure would be too much like Noland

[stable storm]

vs emmet and ingo with chandelure

[stable storm]

ghost could be status+ interference

I doubt ghost ub itself will be ghost type

since that would punish gz

if ghost ub is chandelure then it can't be zone replacement

[snow spruce]

The 10/5 Milo has tanked all UBs without much issue tbh

except Morgan IIRC

Also its the first 15/15 team with double support
Although Mix Red is basically a ~support, or even worse

[fervent mulch]

I feel like ghost will be dahlia as I know she uses dusknoir

[stable storm]

Ghost ub will be submas imo

[fervent mulch]

Oh right

[stable storm]

they are on the br screen

both only have chandelure as a mon that is weak to one of the remaining ub types

[dark dust]

I need Koraidon to be the one to give Rei the one team UB clear

[low coral]

https://youtu.be/SuPfp-gImfM?si=I6U1CvdDGu5ZiBdw

[olive hull]

I think I might just call it and give up on this. I just don't have the right 3 or 4 units maxed out. And even if I didn't, I wouldn't know how to use them. Just EOS this game already

[snow spruce]

UBs are here forever, you can always come back.

[bright python]

no one tell him that i'm pretty sure he's talking about the giovanni battle

[stable storm]

can you copy the f2p clear

[snow spruce]

the worst UB for the 15/15 teams now would probably be a Grass-type Nemona. Where you need to replace grassy terrain or wipe.
But it would need to be weak to a type that has terrain. Grass is weak to Flying, Poison, Bug, Fire, Ice and none of those have terrain.
There is still double type weakness option: Grass + some other type that weak to Electric/Psychic
or a Flying-weak one thats made for Defog

[formal matrix]

A flying weak one that requires defog and weather wipe so people will suffer

[olive hull]

How would using worse units be any better? None of these with good units have even been close

[olive hull]

Yeah this is about the Giovanni battle. UBs can be tucked away in a corner where I never have to look at them. Unwinnable slop (even though I did win one)

[formal matrix]

You have arc Steven anni Lillie and SS Lear why not try that

A moment of truth can SS Gio alt and arc Cynthia duo this Dana battle? Is there anyone willing to try?

[snow spruce]

Gio + Cynthia cannot duo I think. The atk/spatk debuffs from Steven are too important. Flinch helps too

tbh I think SSG Gios best/most impressive UB clears are only doable with AS Leon + NC leaf and nothing else.
Theres no other duo thats as good for him.
Leafs offensive debuffs + potions are a must have for him and she also boosts Leon at the same time, while providing weather as a check (specifically a non-sand, non-hail weather, which is required to do Nita/Dana)
Leaf is kinda the core of that team.

[formal matrix]

In principle arc Cynthia checks all Dana gimmick so Gio just have to take hit all and survive

[silver spruce]

Dana was kinda fun ngl

[snow spruce]

yes, but she is also weak to Ice and I dont think Gio alone can protect her enough? Without spatk debuffs. Idk
He would need to spam a lot of Take All and he is limited to ~2 heals total

[silver spruce]

finally got to use mina again

[formal matrix]

I just realize, gio’s healing is mostly for himself

I thought everyone gets the healing scales with defensive buffs

[spare lion]

Nope
Heals himself 111 per defense and sp def stack

[snow spruce]

"The more the user’s Defense or Sp. Def are raised, the more it also restores its HP"
this applies only to Gio ?

I thought it was for allies too

[gritty vine]

Gio is a greedy bastard

Fr

[formal matrix]

That’s what I thought initially but no, the additional part is only for himself

[stable storm]

the f2p clear has a clear video of all the plays

[formal matrix]

“Its hp” refers to only gio

[paper mural]

Thankfully finally a Arc Lance clear.
I almost thought hes gonna left out in Dana clear.

[dim lance]

This I feel is interesting

Interesting to evaluate at least

[olive hull]

Even though I despise copying videos, where are these supposed clears? The pin is long out of date

[stable storm]

https://youtube.com/@lynpmex?si=b-0NoNIlje6Jh2EY

[stable storm]

@olive hull misslyndis has many f2p clears on her yt

every ebe except one has been solved f2p

[dark dust]

Which one was not solved

[stable storm]

one of the ebes of nc unova part 2

don't remember whose

[dark dust]

Oh that one

[stable storm]

bianca's or cheren's

[dark dust]

I want to assume Cheren's but I don't remember either

[stable storm]

maybe it could be solved now?

[dark dust]

Probably. Need to wait a while for rerun tho

[olive hull]

I can't believe missing SS Gladion is gonna cost me 2 EBEs...

[stable storm]

do you not have the units for the f2p clear?

https://youtu.be/HFBLn6Q36o8?si=U4ukdlrcCR9m_5en

[olive hull]

Ugh, putting Dark Guard lucky skill. I'd rather do something else

[dark dust]

You'd rather not do the helpful suggestions people give you. I'm not sure what you expect people to do

[olive hull]

I was hoping for a middle ground of some sort because of my roster. I don't want to roll for a lucky skill for a slim chance to win with a suboptimal team. It's not worth the trouble

[spare lion]

Its 100 gems and a title its not the end of the world 😔

[stable storm]

imo , the clear isn't that investment heavy or painful for 100 gems but it's your choice

[olive hull]

It looks like it barely works. I'm gonna pass on this. Two unbeaten EBEs, man...

[spare lion]

What does ache me a bit is losing the 300 crystals from silver cuz i have no johto dps and my houndoom is 2/5

[halcyon wagon]

so how doable would dana's ub be with geeta 🤔

[rain sorrel]

You'd need to grid Impervious or give her Acuity. You still need to account for Hail removal tho

[halcyon wagon]

yeah... hail removal is going to be the tough one

even though from what i saw you only need to remove it at the start of the match?

[dark dust]

Yes, and beat the left side fast enough

Iirc when the middle goes down, left will immediately queue Hail

[halcyon wagon]

i feel like that's gonna be fine since geeta hits all

[dark dust]

Considering Geeta is the- yes

[halcyon wagon]

she's 3/5 and ex-r so lol

[dark dust]

You should be fine. Just account for hail and accuracy drops (that includes supports too)

[halcyon wagon]

as for my weather setters...

[dark dust]

Someone used SS Morty

[halcyon wagon]

👁️

looks like i know who to use then

[dark dust]

It was the Morty/Arc Lance/Lucas one, althiugh idk the grid and all

[halcyon wagon]

i think ss morty/geeta/arc steven is gonna be a good core for this ub

[dark dust]

Idk if Ingo would work, but him if you want the extra chip dmg from sandstorm