Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

[dark dust]

Mina?

[paper mural]

They prob want you to dispose Anni Lillie bc she's free unit. Use Raihan or Rose or ArcCynthia instead.

[dark dust]

But also hard to manage lol

[snow spruce]

oh yeah SS Mina kinda counters this too ? weather + zone

kind of

not ideal

[slow sky]

oooh

guess I have to use her with Stove and Lear ig

[distant estuary]

Arc Cynthia?

[dim lance]

Mina also checks this...sort of?

[distant estuary]

Well, can give her a try, she's at 2/5

[snow spruce]

Healing Hail 2 is 20% ?
so almost 200k HP heals? Thats not counting ice zone heals, if there is that too

[slow sky]

damn

[snow spruce]

Yes

[slow sky]

thats a LOT

[dim lance]

12.5%

[slow sky]

☠️

[dim lance]

not 20%

essentially two turns of regen

[warm haven]

mina is a better check than arc cynthia actually

[dim lance]

in a single tick

Mina is the better check here

[slow sky]

yeah I am definitely bringing Mina, thanks for the reminder

[dim lance]

also is Dana Steel weak or what

[slow sky]

I am glad I candied her afew mths ago

[warm haven]

yes

[slow sky]

[dim lance]

lol

idt anyone will struggle then

[stable storm]

new ub

what is group gloat

[dim lance]

buffs offenses

[warm haven]

but yeah im not sure the steel team can win this

[dim lance]

when dodging

[snow spruce]

They will struggle, the new UB is nuts. Probably harder than Nita

[slow sky]

I think I might need to LS acuity on Mina tho

[warm haven]

12.5% per move is insane

[valid raft]

Something about increasing stats when evading an attack

[dim lance]

nah, watch korin just do it again

remember nemona

and her impossibility

and he somehow did it anyway

[stable storm]

steel definitely beats this

[slow sky]

since I will have to use attacking moves with her as well eventually

[dim lance]

and this is steel weak kek

[river prawn]

is she flinchable

Nemona wasnt

[stable storm]

it just won't be a slaughter

stunnable

[river prawn]

steel wins then

[slow sky]

with more new UB stages added to the game, the more I start to dislike rally

this stage just spells of cancer when it gets added to rally

[fading walrus]

Wait they can't set zone once it's gone? Only hail?

[snow spruce]

Steel team kinda got lucky that the new hardest UB is steel weak
just like Ice team and Ice-weak Nita before

[stable storm]

they set zone on endures

[fading walrus]

Ah

Mhhhh

[stable storm]

zone and hail removal together are kinda tight so they have less wtz procs

[slow sky]

the 400k hp side can use hail again after some time

so u have to take it out before it does if you can only change weather once

[stable storm]

ice team is gonna get wrecked by dana at least tho

I wish the enemy had more stat drops and status spam and healing but ig it's serviceable enough for a steel ub

[fading walrus]

Guess arcsteven 4/5 is needed then for double dog clear

[paper mural]

Lion is more cat than dog.

[stable storm]

I doubt double lion can break through hail

[fading walrus]

And that's why I'll keep saying dog

[fading walrus]

With 4/5 arcsteven i think they can

[stable storm]

hopefully

[fading walrus]

Fire managed to beat Anabel under sun after all

And they were offtype

Without staggers

[snow spruce]

The best Steel team will only just barely be able to clear it and only bc of SE damage
I'd say its plenty strong

[stable storm]

pretty sure dana under hail is deadlier than Anabel under sun

[stable storm]

but imagine if the ub had dana's tm

would be hilarious

[snow spruce]

Winter Coat 9 is kinda nuts.
SS Lears non sync damage is RIP

[stable storm]

at least it's not tripled defenses

[paper mural]

Pretty nuts they really do Hail even tho ppl were screaming steel isn't really sandstorm focus at all.

[fading walrus]

Oh hey, 10/5 rika is pretty gud
Doglo too

[stable storm]

why does steel ub counter steel units

[fading walrus]

Yeah i mean it was the only way to put steel op comp in disadvantage

[snow spruce]

Passive 8: Healing Hail 2
Passive 15: Use Move When Ice Zone: Team HP Recovery 9
Ridicure 9
ALL of the heals

[paper mural]

What's the point of putting steel team in disadvantage for steel ub tho...

[fast pendant]

Sand for steel is not unheard of and a few steel units do play that way

[stable storm]

isn't it 2?

status would have made more sense considering more steels have para

[fading walrus]

Nita with so much Speed increase irida isn't enough and she can't even fully counter the wtz changes unless 3/5:

[stable storm]

can't she barely keep up when invested

[fading walrus]

Yeah

Barely

[stable storm]

I think this is the first ub where a single unit of the weakness type can't counter the ub

[fading walrus]

Well what single water unit counters anabel

[stable storm]

dahlia

[paper mural]

Unit need 3/5 in ubs is not really disadvantage.
I can agree to speed buff to some degree but I think that's where they want NC Red to take part in.

[fading walrus]

Not at all

Not enough drops, not enough Rain sets

[stable storm]

oh wait v lyra

[fading walrus]

That's more fair

But

variety

[stable storm]

I forgot she existed cause variety despite having her

[paper mural]

In general you still need rain on entry pair, which VLyra can't do.

[fading walrus]

Yeah

That too

Anabel moment

[stable storm]

technically the gimmicks are still checked at least

what types fold to dana

[snow spruce]

what can DeNA do next to stop the Steven-Cynthia-Mix Red team?
(besides Terra Firma 10)

[stable storm]

@final yacht new ub is here, doc update when

[paper mural]

The desired team is prob Arc Steven + Rose (sandstorm) + SC Selene (steel zone 3 times)?

[final yacht]

I just woke up 10min ago ok

Gimme a break

[stable storm]

No

[final yacht]

[stable storm]

grassy terrain nemona on crack

[snow spruce]

Does Dana have 1 hail and 3 ice zones total?
or more than 1 hail?

[snow spruce]

True, that'll work

[stable storm]

2 hail and ice zone

[paper mural]

Zone: 1 on entry and 2 on 80%/30% endurance.
Hail: 1 on entry and 1 manual but not sure when it'll use.

[stable storm]

ice zone: On second endure and first endure

??

where

[paper mural]

Arctic Arrival: Turns the field of play's zone into an Ice Zone the first time the user enters a battle each battle.

[stable storm]

I thought that was hail

[paper mural]

Hail is from the side that can manual use Hail.
Cold Front: Causes a hailstorm the first time the user enters the battle each battle.

[stable storm]

ohhh

wait 3 ice zones?

[paper mural]

So 3 zone & 2 hail (but 1 hail can be blocked if you ko that side first)

[stable storm]

480k hp side has hail right?

[jade grotto]

who can get rid of zone thrice? sc selene?

[stable storm]

the new poppy, Selene and uhh......

[final yacht]

Just a small, respectable amount of HP

wait wdym 2 weaknesses

[stable storm]

?

[final yacht]

one (both?) of the sides is rock weak, not steel weak

weird

[paper mural]

Will it be just typo?

[final yacht]

I don't think so

Yeah no the fight wants both sand and steel zone, so it's probably on purpose

[stable storm]

first dual type ub?

[final yacht]

I think yes

[snow spruce]

thats big

[stable storm]

could steel still do dana?

[low coral]

It's literally made for Steel units

[paper mural]

Which means we'll get more ubs if they repeat and dual types a lot.
How exciting! (no actually not)

[snow spruce]

so the 480k + HP sidemon isnt weak to Steel and still has Passive 8: Winter Coat 9
hmm

[final yacht]

With a weather removal unit yes they can

[dark dust]

Hmmm.

NC Silver?

[stable storm]

I am talking about the common steel comp

the one without weather removal

[dark dust]

Wait no you lose zone

[final yacht]

ss lear arc steven anni2 lillie doesn't beat that

winter coat 9 lol

[stable tundra]

Lillie has PB at least

But the sides are fat

[paper mural]

Well anni2Lillie's bmove can pierce through it.

[stable storm]

lillie can piercing blows through and lear can sync without it being stopped

coat only works on dps

[snow spruce]

They still might tbh
But it will be very diffiuclt, probably as much as Nemon was

meanwhile Arc Duo with Mix red ....

[stable storm]

the worry is what happens after steel zone charges are gone as enemy has 3 ice zones

[stable storm]

they probably struggle as well

[dark dust]

Anything Avery 📉

[stable storm]

and require god gear

[snow spruce]

Lillie only has 2 steel zones yeah

[low coral]

Remember that Dana has Condition Nullification Extension 9, not 5

[stable storm]

to kill before Dana goes crazy

[low coral]

Steven's flinches will have a much larger downtime

[stable storm]

should still be doable by pure steel

[snow spruce]

Nah, it'll be pretty easy for them. Cynthia covering everything, ASS doing SE damage etc.

[stable tundra]

It's almost double the duration i think

[stable storm]

ASC is ice weak tho

[low coral]

Nah, it's should be around 50% more

A bit less than that

[stable storm]

and dana is very fat

[low coral]

Not double

[stable storm]

so it will take a while

[snow spruce]

Never was an issue, wont be here
~3400 Atk debuffed to -6 is fine

[stable storm]

let's see, both full clear teams should beat dana tho

[stable tundra]

Steel comps receiving such a challenging UB is well deserved

[snow spruce]

There was a triple ice-weak clear on MR
Blue, ASC, Classic Elesa

[stable tundra]

Just in time for my 4/5 Arc Steven

[stable storm]

mr has like half the bulk og dana

[stable tundra]

Okay this is wild to me because MR hits hard

[stable storm]

one of the most challenging ubs for steel comp being steel ub is hilarious

[final yacht]

ub doc updated

[snow spruce]

Cynthia + SE dmg Steven will still melt him just fine
Mix red can go afk on this fight

[stable storm]

I doubt they do dana without struggling

[low coral]

This is not challenging for Steel at all

It's made to be easy when you run Steel, even

[paper mural]

Its apprently they want NC Blue erasure in this. They give ice shift to unit that can use giga impact

[final yacht]

tbh you have a zone issue

[stable storm]

pure steel will definitely struggle a bit

enemy is healing 120k hp every turn

and ss Lear isn't doing damage outside of sync

[snow spruce]

if you remove hail then yes
for the Steven-Lillie-Lear team it wont be easy, especialy if the sides arent weak to Steel
I think they still do it because center is weak to Steel, but barely
if it was full offtype then they wouldnt clear IMO

[low coral]

Then run Sandstorm, of which there's Steel units with it

[final yacht]

that doesnt fix the zone issue "then run arc sync specifically" ok bro

[stable storm]

we are talking about the common steel comp

[snow spruce]

ofc, but everyone only cares about THE Steel team . the one with 14/14 UBs

[stable storm]

pure steel

[final yacht]

"everyone" no lol

[stable storm]

dana might be Nita level

[snow spruce]

that Steven-Lear-Lillie team is basically superfamous now

[low coral]

I know about 5 people who only do

[snow spruce]

Even reddit loves it over the rats now

[stable storm]

fr?

now only a grassy terrain nemo on crack could stop the all ub clear teams

[final yacht]

neither of steven or lear provide zone or weather, so your third has to provide both or you have to remove one of them from the comp which

[snow spruce]

A Blue-Avery-ASC team could still clear that probably, as well as the other 15

[final yacht]

on top of stupidly high hp, that stage sucks lol

[stable storm]

I doubt they get mr

[snow spruce]

ASC is stupid busted enough that she will still find an all UBs team no matter what

[stable storm]

I will believe that when she beats Mr with blue and Avery

[snow spruce]

Why wouldnt they ? Blue and Avery counter MR quite well (you can also make Avery tank btw)
and it was already done by Blue-Avery-Cheren

[stable storm]

haven't seen it yet and ASC is ice weak and since it has been done with cheren, it would have been done by ASC already if it was possible by her imo

[snow spruce]

No one with fully invested ASC + Avery has bothered to try it.
Fully invested Avery in general is rare af

the type weakness of your dps doesnt matter that much in UBs as long as the gimmicks are countered

[paper mural]

If Avery doesnt pick Hail extension and only change it once, do you think he can still be a counter in this by changing permant hail into non permanent?

[stable storm]

yes but if you are using ASC I'd assume you are gonna change weather to sand

[paper mural]

Not with ArcC. I mean a general counter for more teams.

[rotund oasis]

whoa, steel and rock?

Ice Zone.
Okay, definitely arc cynthia gaming then.

but she's ice weak hrm

oaky i think i've got it

Arc Steven 1R, Poppy 3R, and Geeta 3R :x

gauge will be itchy, but should be serviceable.

[fading walrus]

Geeta?

[rotund oasis]

Geeta will be Impervious + Ruthless Poison + 3 Poison Zones

[paper mural]

Not gonna change the weather?

[fading walrus]

Where's your weather change rofl

[stable storm]

where weather

[fading walrus]

Enjoy Winter coat 9

Rofl

[rotund oasis]

wait

arctic arrival

[stable storm]

enjoy healing hail 2

[paper mural]

Its ptob cause more issue than zone.

[rotund oasis]

right. ice zone + blizzard

itchy. very itchy.

[stable storm]

sides have hail and hail on entry

[rotund oasis]

hmmm

[fading walrus]

Hail is more important than zone

Albeit the latter is also incriminating

[rotund oasis]

Does Hail like

[paper mural]

Only need to change it once tho, if you can kill that side before they can use the 2nd time.

[rotund oasis]

Entry + Side uses it?

[stable storm]

hail gives them 90% dr and 120k hp back every attack and 90% damage up

yes

[rotund oasis]

what's Group Gloat 9 even?

well that kinda sucks then hrm.

[paper mural]

Dodge = buff atk&spatk

[rotund oasis]

so Arc Steven + Poppy + a Weather changer that has Acuity?

Ice Zone kinda sucks though.

[stable storm]

where zone removal

[paper mural]

Rose is prob the intended striker.

[rotund oasis]

no poppy here

man i have this feeling i might have to use Cynthia for it.

Arc Cynthia. but considering all the blizzards.... kek....

[stable storm]

1/5 ASS....

[rotund oasis]

yeah 1/5 ASS too.

[snow spruce]

Blizzards arent an issue for Cynthia. Just debuff the center atk/spatk
but you would need her 5/5 to replace zone 3 times

[rotund oasis]

shes 3/5 already so.... i've got 4 yellow candies.

the hps are kinda weird though

480k for the abomasnow lmao

[fading walrus]

Or just ss mina

[rotund oasis]

damn, dont have ss mina :<

[small vault]

About time to candy my forever 1/5 SS Mina

[novel fog]

Mina would want her super awakening, otherwise it would take you the first sync to replace zone which is fine but you basically don't do shit until then, and then you'll have to sync at the right timing to refresh fairy zone

not to mention she doesn't get rain dance MPR

[stable storm]

she replaces zone on entry

[novel fog]

Oh right

[stable storm]

you only need 2 weather change

[novel fog]

Why 2?

at 80 and 30?

not at the beginning as well?

[stable storm]

hail is only on entry and once by sides

zone is 3 times

[paper mural]

Or once if you can kill that side in time.

[echo jetty]

Are there 2 pokemon on both the sides in the Dana ultimate battle, one with steel and one with rock weakness?

[snow spruce]

Has Dana surpassed Nita as the hardest UB?

[stable storm]

maybe

we will get part 2 of the nita memes

but with ASS instead of nc red

[echo jetty]

^

[novel fog]

No, in UBs all three pokemons share the same weakness

[fast pendant]

yes, Dana has double weakness

[stable storm]

yes

[fading walrus]

Which one are rock weak again, both or only the hail setter?

[stable storm]

not anymore

pretty sure both are rock weak?

[jade grotto]

I assume the new UB is tailored for the new year units + arc Steven I guess

[paper mural]

And Rose. Sandstorm and side Rock weak (if it's not a typo).

[jade grotto]

Yes rose is fine too, but can set sand only once

Maybe if you can get rid of the side that sets hail before it does that I guess rose is fine

[paper mural]

Better than 0 time. (Arc Steven + NY Poppy has no weather change, right?

[jade grotto]

Yes you need something that gets rid of hail

[stable storm]

ss mina counters this ub best

poison beats this ub right?

[jade grotto]

Yes, but I guess steel zone is better than fairy zone

[rotund oasis]

wait really? she changes Steel to Rock somewhere/ o_o

[stable storm]

no, her sides are rock weak

[paper mural]

The side will prob use another hail almost before 2nd sync, so Rose will 100% take it down before that.

[snow spruce]

either 1 or both of her sidemons are Rock-weak

[rotund oasis]

can he take that side out? cuz its 480k :<

[paper mural]

Well I'll believe he can until I'm proven wrong.

[rotund oasis]

hmm if i do Arc Cynthia, i might actually do the entire Rock/Ground into that battle lol.

[jade grotto]

Isn't Cynthia weak to ice?

[rotund oasis]

hum actually, you know what. I might have to grab SS Lana from the 5k selects :x

[snow spruce]

When has type weakness on a dps ever stopped anything?

[jade grotto]

You mean mina? Lana is useless for this ub

[rotund oasis]

what type was SS Mina? o.o

Water / Fairy?

[jade grotto]

Can an electric weak unit beat nemona?

[snow spruce]

If you remove her terrain and debuff her Atk, sure

[jade grotto]

Her 1st sync almost one shots without terrain

I mean it one shots if you are debuffed

[golden steppe]

Pure Fairy just has Rain Dance as one of her moves

[rotund oasis]

i mean, i remember running NC Blue against Nemona UB

[snow spruce]

good thing about ASC is that if you proc Danas endures with Cynthias sync - the ice zone will instantly get overwritten by the ground zone from Dustkicker
just happens passively

Same thing with Leons 60% endure - it removes WZT and then Dustkicker activates

[paper mural]

I feel like I need better support to beat this one day.
Don't plan on pulling Arc Steven while NC Blue is just shit here.

[jade grotto]

Too bad is a 5/5 tile that requires yellow candies

[snow spruce]

Yeah, but if there is one unit thats worth (kit-wise) 5/5 yellow candies its AS Cynthia no doubt

[jade grotto]

If it was red candies, sure, but yellow is quite dire

Unless they release multi candies too

[valid onyx]

What's the intended unit for Dana UB?

[calm sand]

I would say Rose

[snow spruce]

Rose + anything that can do Steel zone 3 times

[fast pendant]

how is it rose

[calm sand]

SC Selene?

He has Max Rockfall for Hail counter

[snow spruce]

Rose has sand and does both Steel and Rock dmg with extend range - can take out the sides the best and switch back to Steel

[fast pendant]

eh

way too big of a steel hp for a extended range unit

[fading walrus]

10/5 rahian

[snow spruce]

ignoring types, the best counters all-in-1 are SS Mina and Arc Cynthia

[fast pendant]

I think he's fine, but doesn't feel particularly counter

[snow spruce]

10/5 Raihan too yeah, he is kinda similar to Roses kit ?

[valid onyx]

Hooo that's unexpected

[snow spruce]

without the extend range

[fast pendant]

but then again, I don't think most battles have a direct counter, there are wanted things

[valid onyx]

Sad I'm too poor for that

[paper mural]

Don't forget sandstorm do SIGNIFICANT chip dmg if the opponents have super fat hp.

[calm sand]

The stage seems to have Accuracy debuffs as one of the gimmicks, but no multiplier for it

[fast pendant]

well he has one use of sandstorm, that's not super big

[calm sand]

Not that it matters because Steel pairs love Impervious

[fast pendant]

they sure do

[calm sand]

But Rose does have Piercing Gaze effect on Rose’s Results

[snow spruce]

Dana is going to be quite an UB filter now.
She isnt even a cakewalk for Steel teams (ideally you need 1-2 sandstorms and 3 zones), much less offtype

[calm sand]

The stage also has a lot of HP it seems

Fattest stage so far?

[fast pendant]

but I would say NY Poppy is quite better than Rose at the stage

[paper mural]

If you say that NY Poppy also has no weather at all.

Also can't they just use together...?

[fast pendant]

they can

[jade grotto]

The NY pair

[valid onyx]

[novel fog]

whaaaaaaaat

[jade grotto]

Not saying you can't beat it without them, but those are the intended units

[novel fog]

Dual weakness UB?

[jade grotto]

Kinda weird since I think you aren't supposed to touch rock slide for sandaconda (unless you give acuity LS)

I guess anything that could get rid of hail works fine

But you need accuracy protection/piercing gaze

Nvm, maybe is more intended for NC silver, since it has piercing gaze in grid

Maybe NC silver and NY poppy?

[novel fog]

So who takes care of the zone?

Is AS Steven/SS Diantha/NC Silver optional?

[paper mural]

It's Rose + NY Poppy or SC Selene (any 3 steel zone unit actually) imo.

[novel fog]

no nvm not enough weather

[jade grotto]

I think no unit can deal with all the gimmicks alone

[novel fog]

It's just weather + zone + accuracy right?

[snow spruce]

SS Mina with Acuity and AS Cynthia

[jade grotto]

I think it hails only twice

[paper mural]

You only need 2 weather change. If your team is strong enough even 1 is possible.

[novel fog]

Oh really?

So on entry and when's the other one?

[jade grotto]

Silver can sandstorm again on sync, but you have to save that for the hail

[novel fog]

Mhm

[jade grotto]

Only 1st sync however

[stable storm]

ASC and ss mina

[paper mural]

It's why I said Rose bc although he only change weather once he might output enough dmg and take down the side before it can use second.

[novel fog]

I believe Silver + Diantha can do the job

[paper mural]

And he also has ontype dmg for both steel and rock.

[jade grotto]

Yes with acuity LS they can, if Cynthia can survive Ice moves

Don't know how hard those ice moves will hit

From what I've seen, you need to get rid of ice zone thrice, hail twice, and you can't use anything that can miss

Also you have to either protect from accuracy drops and use only moves that will be 100% accurate at your current accuracy level, or just piercing gaze/moves that can't miss

SC selene could work too, her bullet punch can't miss

[rigid pivot]

So

Whats the gimmick with the new ult battle?

[calm sand]

Hail + Ice Zone + Accuracy debuffs

[rigid pivot]

Why hail + ice zone? Isn’t it weak to steel?

Who would they even want you to use Lmao is there a steel type for weather?

[calm sand]

Rose and Raihan

[rigid pivot]

I guess most steel units are immune to sand but still

Well I’m glad I have 3/5 flygon

I guess

[rigid pivot]

raihan sets sand? I didn’t even know that lmao

Or is it a dumb 5/5 tule thing

Tile

[calm sand]

A 5/5 tile if I remember correctly

[rigid pivot]

Great.

Glorious

Also I wonder how I am going to time the zones with lillie do they get 3 of them?

Because like I have like alt Selene but I can’t run Selene + lillie + 4/5 Steven that Ima get because of the dumb hail thing

Maybe something like this? (Or replace t-tar with flygon if he’s better idk)

And I will have 4/5 Steven by chirstmas

Though if Selene runs out of steel zone the dps goes in the gutter

[exotic dome]

Well Selene has steel wish mpr

I think I’m going with arcynthia arcsteven and SSLear tbh

[rigid pivot]

Yeah but wouldn’t it take a crap ton of rng? Because her b move is tied to steel zone

And her only other dls is…metal claw

Joy.

[final yacht]

That's the team I thought about when I first saw Dana

not that I can use it tho as I don't have silver lol

[stone scarab]

i worry that there's not enough offensive pressure on that team

though my initial thought was that exact team so

[jade grotto]

You can't touch metal claw, if it misses even once you are dead

[rigid pivot]

Well then when steel zone runs out you’re screwed because she has extention but idk it feels like it runs out really fast

[jade grotto]

If steel zone runs out you can't attack with her unless you give her acuity LS and grid for metal claw accuracy

You can't touch anything that could miss

[cobalt rune]

Arc steven+ ss minna +aniv lylie can beat dana?

[fading walrus]

Easily

[jaunty light]

oh so i need 3 mprs of bianca’s terrain

ugh

[stable storm]

yes

[jaunty light]

thats annoying

40% more like

4%

[alpine quiver]

Someone inform me
How hard was this EBE?

[steady roost]

This is new. It’s a dark weakness battle for Giolord.

[alpine quiver]

Ohh
Thought it was a re-run

Must mean a lot of AOE stuff

I think I'm starting to get an odd joy out of F2Ping these stages

[steady roost]

i just checked the pastebin again and you’re right on that.

[alpine quiver]

Yeah, I figured because of the new take all status change

[stone scarab]

66k hp is pretty low, at least

Thats nice

[golden steppe]

Lana gaming

[mental jasper]

Unlimited sure crit all 👀

[alpine quiver]

Oh

Johto boost...

[stone scarab]

Accessible damage dealer is probably gonna be Karen, I take it

[snow spruce]

thats EBE for SSG Gio ? why is it asking for Atk and Spatk debuffs then?

[alpine quiver]

Yeah, on second thought, she could probably be viable

[stone scarab]

Its not asking them, its warning you that you'll be given them

Bc SSA Gio has the infinite TM refresh to constantly buff offenses

[snow spruce]

oh I see, you' re supposed to spam his TM for this.
Eh
Probably easier with an Impervious offtype team

[stone scarab]

I'm probably just gonna run with like, Dauntless Karen

[mental jasper]

wait I’m just now realizing that Giovanni has two B moves

[stone scarab]

Mhm

[alpine quiver]

Yup

[snow spruce]

Giovanni kit is weird

[cobalt rune]

Only jhoto??? I will use SC jasmine (tank) tyra and arcsteven for attacks debuff

[snow spruce]

2 B-moves, new Take All mechanic, defences reset

[cobalt rune]

Spotlight karen will be very usable. Bp karen can? XD

[stone scarab]

Might be able to

Have to see when it drops

[cobalt rune]

When drops?

Next week?

[alpine quiver]

BP Karen is certainly an option

[mental jasper]

BP Karen is definitely one of the sync pairs of all time, probably with supports that are way better than an account that’s using BP Karen as a good damage dealer has access to though

[stone scarab]

I think the same time as SSA Gio, 31st at a weird time

I wouldnt recommend BP Karen unless you're utterly desperate though

[mental jasper]

1st at midnight Japan time aka weird times on the 31st for almost the rest of the world

[fading walrus]

A non existing one

Yee

[alpine quiver]

Yeah, lmao

[fading walrus]

That pair is almost as bad as recoil strike eggmons

The difference is, umbreon has decent Sync damage, eggmons don't

[slate light]

me when the recoil damage dealer doesn't have standfast 9 minimum

actually no, that's not me. it's the sync pair (they deleted themselves after one double edge)

[spark isle]

Is it possible to beat ult Nemona with, NC Blue, arc cynthia (both 3/5) amd Bianca?

[fading walrus]

Don't see why not

[crude kite]

well that lucy ub was as easy as everyone said it was. cool, 300 more gems

[spark isle]

Tested it out nah you can't.

[fading walrus]

Weird, i'd think it could considering everything

[alpine quiver]

She's so funny because you can straight up ignore her speed gimmick

[marble portal]

4/5 BT Leon 3/5 SS Gladion 4/5 AS Steven against Evelyn, all caked.

[valid raft]

Can the F2P clear for the kantrio champion EB be improved?

[alpine quiver]

I'm looking at it
And idk what the FUCK to do 😭

I'm thinking I gotta have some kind of BP Erika or Blaine

[valid raft]

The gimmick is Tough Skin IIRC

[alpine quiver]

It's just interference, I think
Since the Kanto trio has rebuff

Ah
Blue can easily handle the sides with a nuke

The middle is what's worrying

[paper mural]

Tough skin is Battle Challenge exclusive.
Ebe is interference & aoe sure poison.

[lunar sedge]

time to dust off the good ol' Oak

[alpine quiver]

Yup

[stable storm]

vs Kant*io ebe. First try woohooo

(the dead unit is ciris) vs Evelyn. Wanted to see if Evelyn was easy without fairy comp and she was still easy

[pearl pewter]

E

anyone won yet?

20/20 BP erika or oak MPR could be what makes the difference

[alpine quiver]

That was the team I was gonna try, lol

[stable storm]

which blue is that

[alpine quiver]

I'm a bit busy with Christmas stuff (btw merry Christmas, yall!) But, I have ideas

[valid raft]

Pidgeot

[alpine quiver]

Also, I just wanna be as sparing as I can with my power-ups
I only have enough for one more unit

I kinda wanna make it count for something I want as opposed to someone I need for an arbitrary challenge

Yk?

[cobalt rune]

Easy pisi

Anyway i pull zapdos for special support xD

[alpine quiver]

So
Does a F2P clear for the current EBE actually exist?

[valid raft]

There is actually

[alpine quiver]

Bet

[valid raft]

I know that it involves using SS Erika and Blaine

[pearl pewter]

what do you think is the third

[valid raft]

I forgot

[calm sand]

I remember one with TL Blue, Blue and BP Erika

It’s pretty much RNG hell

[pearl pewter]

I thought we didn’t log any last year

huh

made me think that this EBE was unsolved

[calm sand]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonMasters/s/rhFiVmL8Qu

[fading walrus]

Nah there was one

It's just total garbo rng hell

M2, sabrina + idr who

[pearl pewter]

so they play around the need for antitoxin by flinching

of course…. silly old me could never have seen that one

good to know that there are f2p clears out there

[pearl pewter]

this isn’t satire, I’ve been running antitoxin with def crush 2 nidoak

[pearl pewter]

at least I got the bag

[rigid pivot]

Man even at 4/5 Steven I’m struggling

I have 3/5 blue for more damage but he’s weak to ice

Ok there we go

Elesya wasn’t as useful as I thought with that Aoe

[fading walrus]

Elesa works with other Electric units

Nidorino is better for anything else usually

Especially with SS roxie

[rigid pivot]

I was worried the sides were going to delete me

That’s why I tried elsya

[fading walrus]

SS roxie deletes them fast enough

Oleana has much more trouble with sides

[rigid pivot]

I wish Roxie had extention on eletric terrian tbh that goes away so fast

But eh what can you do

[fading walrus]

It's usually enough if you use it right before Sync

[pseudo pewter]

I need help with the new extreme battle against brock

[pseudo pewter]

Do I show units that r not kanto also

[crude kite]

i mean, if you want but non kanto pairs are gonna get absolutely destroyed in this ebe

[pseudo pewter]

I see

Is there any strat I can do with these characters

Or can just the kantrio do it

[mental jasper]

The fight is tailor made for the NC Kantrio, missing Red is unfortunate as you need to ontype mid (Lorelei is very bad) and none of your pairs have Piercing Blows or an equivalent passive on a move

[spark isle]

I won by using Oak instead of Elesa.

[pseudo pewter]

Okay

Fair enough

Thank you anyways

[lunar sedge]

You can try Oak/SS Red/NC Blue

I just tested with a gridless NC Blue, bit on the rougher side but should be possible

[pseudo pewter]

What grid for oak and as red?

[pseudo pewter]

I could get blue 2/5

[lunar sedge]

The sides are handled by Blue and Red, so oak can focus blizzard to onix

Red grid is kinda whatever, mine is only 2/5

And he doesn't do a lot outside of sniping vileplume and just spam blast burn after

[pseudo pewter]

Okay

Thanks

[pseudo pewter]

Wow thanks so much it worked

[lunar sedge]

[rigid pivot]

So close yet so far with 1/5 chase (just testing to see if my ice team could do this too)

I neee stronger dps or ramp man ash doesn’t have an ex role or multipliers on his b move 😭

[low coral]

Did you turn skip right?

[marble portal]

4/5 AS Steven 1/5 VGio 4/5 SSB

[rigid pivot]

Turn skip? Like with sync? Yeah

[short gate]

How do I fix my skill issue?

Everyone at 3/5 exr

Blue died at a dragon rush at 80%

So idk

[fading walrus]

Not spamming icy wind enough/not staggering enough/not using right grids is probably the problem

[short gate]

Pretty sure I am doing those things correctly

[fading walrus]

Idk, those two can almost clear with a sleep eggmon as third

I know because i tried before folding and accepting that melony was the cheapest third

Because nita is a fair stage™

Are you like, syncing with nc Blue and then nc Red?

[pseudo pewter]

Is ss acerola 3/5. adaman 1/5 and. 2/5 nc blue with cake roll good against argenta

[fading walrus]

Blue likely wants 3/5 there

[pseudo pewter]

I see

[fading walrus]

His 3/5 tiles are really cracked

[pseudo pewter]

Ah

I can get his 3/5 soon

I have 14 support coins

I have a tech candy though if adaman wants 2/5

[opaque dagger]

there's a couple 3/5 acerola 1/5 adaman clears

[pseudo pewter]

With which other characters

[opaque dagger]

3/5 victor and 1/5 summer acerola

[pseudo pewter]

ah

[opaque dagger]

what do you have?

[pseudo pewter]

I have victor but 1/5

The one with spectrier right

[pseudo pewter]

Do I send all my characters

[fading walrus]

No, the Victor with rillaboom

[fading walrus]

Yeah by next month easily

[pseudo pewter]

Ohh

[fading walrus]

Not like UBs are going anywhere

[pseudo pewter]

I don’t have him with rillaboom

[opaque dagger]

what other grass types do you have?

[fading walrus]

It's ok

[opaque dagger]

or fire types

[short gate]

Nc blue then irida then red

Since irida has support exr

[pseudo pewter]

I also have 2/5 nc blue w ex role

And 4/5 Mina with ex role

[fading walrus]

Yeah thats wrong

Irida can't really run sync grid and a good enough enable grid for nc red

So she basically never syncs if Red os on the team

This could've changed in some instances if she got field exr

But no, can't have fun with DeNa

https://youtu.be/riwr2Z3mGEM?feature=shared

As you can see

Red alone does the job

[short gate]

You’re right

I’ll try it out

[fading walrus]

Blue into Red sync should wipe nita off the face of the earth as long as you manage the endure procs well

[short gate]

Worked well

Even though I made mistakes I managed to do it

(The “mistakes” being not using roost before her first sync)

Overall pretty hard yeah, but I think it’s doable even if irida is 1/5

And not ex

[stable storm]

can't believe this comp worked lmao(Only needed 4, maybe 5?, snatch mprs. Got a random nice Lear tm mpr as well)

[mental jasper]

oh he gets multiple MPR tiles doesn’t he? That probably makes it less of a suffer fest

[stable storm]

it only took 1 try. Lear rng is very nice for me

I am lucky with mprs in general

[alpine quiver]

Kanto EBE done F2P

[lunar sedge]

How much is the rng reliant for it?

[alpine quiver]

not much, really
my method was rolling Antitoxin, so crits were a bit of a worry
the last piece of "RNG" is one move denial via a confusion hit near the end. But, I didn't rely on it because I just didn't expect it to happen

https://youtu.be/3RUUa00hoSQ?si=EHDzRuiL57P3sDSv

[fading walrus]

Idk really because artic arrival makes early sequencing much much easier

I doubt there's 1/5 irida clears in doc actually

Because having to ice wish immediately means slower icy winds, which means more early mitigation

I guess tho, nc Blue makes it so much easier than any third that she likely can still work 1/5

After all there's always the tech lapras clear

[alpine quiver]

How often is the #1010274591601598555 channel even used?
Tempted to try my hand at maintaining one

[stone scarab]

Pretty often, in my experience

I update mine like 2 to 3 times a week on average at least

[fading walrus]

Depends how much you time grind this game

[calm sand]

I need to use it more really

[raven wharf]

There's a ncblue,sssteven Bianca clear for nemona in the sheets,whats the strat for it?the vid was removed

[paper mural]

You can check the ncblue + bianca + sslusamine clear coz I believe the clear will prob be almost identical.

[arctic nest]

What’s the ranking for UBs in terms of difficulty?

Nina is currently 1 right? And Lucy and Morgan are the bottom 2?

[stone scarab]

you won't find one definite list, but general consensus is that Nita/Anabel/Leon/Nemona are typically the most difficult, while Lucy, Argenta, Noland and Darach are usually easiest

[arctic nest]

I still have to do Noland lol

Oh wasn’t Leon not that difficult for people?

He was Rat City right?

[stone scarab]

just bc SST is the intended unit for him, doesn't make him easy

[arctic nest]

Wish I could see the teams I used in the past to clear these stages.

Even with the intended Unit he was hard?

Or gauging a stage by the difficulty with the intended unit not a good way to gauge these stages?

[stone scarab]

correct

[snow spruce]

Morgan is absolutely not bottom 2. She is above average IMO

[stone scarab]

though the hardest will still be on the hard end even with the intended units, some fights have more gimmicks to them that make the intended unit work better than anything else, while others are on the simpler end

[arctic nest]

Just having Imperv was just like game winning I found

Similar to Lucy

But maybe that’s also on the Units I had? Idk

[snow spruce]

yes, but needing ~triple Impervious team is not trivial at all
Lucy meanwhile is a free win with nearly anything

[stone scarab]

like Anabel, hard as she is, is relatively simple in terms of gimmicks that need checking, while Nemona has more to her

[fast pendant]

I would generically gauge how many units per team are generally needed to cover the gimmick / how rare the gimmick is to say if a stage is hard

[arctic nest]

I have to figure out how to clear Nemona and Noland still

[arctic nest]

Ooh that’s interesting

[arctic nest]

I could have sworn Imperv was on a cookie

My B

[fast pendant]

Leon needs paralysis, wtz (if not et also immunity to sleep), immunity to burn

[stone scarab]

Only a couple character specific ones

[stone scarab]

And a field effect in general iirc

[short gate]

Mpr gaming

[arctic nest]

I really don’t remember what Units I used for Leon besides SSTR and probably NC Blue

Might have used Koko?

Palmer, Nita, Noland, Giovanni, and Nemona I haven’t cleared yet.

[fading walrus]

Are your tbolt and nc blue 3/5 caked

Because those two + competent third definitely does palmer

[arctic nest]

Yeah my entire team would be 3/5 EXR

Oh

Yeah my Tbolt and NC are 3/5 EXR

[fading walrus]

Just need good rotations

[arctic nest]

I have Rei EXR 3/5 and Cop EXR 3/5

[fading walrus]

Then lmao

Rei 3/5 exr annihilates palmer

[arctic nest]

I tried and not enough damage to clear pre sync

It’s probably my queuing or something idk

I sync first with Blue then with Rei, going to try first with Rei then Rei again

Nope

Got him to 50% again, same deal. Not enough damage from sync or something.

Might try Noland later and see if double Support wins that matchup with Torn

[fading walrus]

Probably a grid issue

Or you're not saving your SEUN well

[arctic nest]

I might not have Rei set to nuke

I will check his Grid, but it should be on the nuke build

[raven wharf]

Help

HAAAAA

Are either of these even bearable without very specific units and 5/5

[fast pendant]

Why are you not using 2 units of the same terrain

From the hp you didn't apply confusion on the sides after they removed rebuff

So your sync didn't do any dmg

[raven wharf]

Oh yeah

Ill try one last time

[arctic nest]

Wait you need to apply Confusion?

[stone scarab]

you need to apply a negative status change

confusion, trap, rebuff are the ones you'll see most often

[dim lance]

Hmm

Two missed crits

I think I can do this

Unless Kris is just the better pick here lol

[arctic nest]

I have no clue what Acerola does

[fading walrus]

debuffs offences

keeps party healed

and in general takes eons to die under rain

[arctic nest]

Oh cool

Better than SSKris?

[fading walrus]

they do different stuff

kris is exclusively special oriented

and doesn't debuff

but she brings her own 3 rain uses

and a ton of SMUN

with two rain setters ace is muuuch better

[arctic nest]

I see

[pseudo pewter]

I can’t do the second battle

May I get help with a strategy

I die in the first few turns because of the first bulldoze and then sludge wave

Which then kills with toxic

[arctic nest]

Team comp?

[alpine quiver]

Does anyone have a link to that F2P clear with Sabrina in it?

For Kanto EBE

[opaque dagger]

is there any list of ub gimmick counters? specially the more niche one like sleep and accuracy?
even searching porybot via the passive description is kinda annoying bc they use different wordings so you have to find all the wordings, like for sleep:
(Team) Wide awake and Team sleep and flinch immunity uses: "from falling asleep."
(Team) (WTZ) Condition nullification+ss lear uses: "inflicted with status conditions"
(Team) WTZ/Circle/Status Immunity uses: "Status conditions cannot be inflicted"
and finally there's status condition defense and reflection fields which aren't even passives

[pseudo pewter]

Mew and Oak, Red and Charizard and Nc Blue

[low coral]

The only problem with KriSS is that I don't think Leaf alone can keep up the SpA debuffs

As long as the team can survive, yes, that should be enough, as I don't have Dahlia, but I did it with Leaf / Cerena / SS Mina without Leaf's EXR

[dim lance]

Yeah, that's probably the main issue

I'm close to getting it done fwiw

I think Summer Acerola is underrated

Her healing is pretty dumb and she can weave stuns and debuffs

I'll probably try some more stuff with her, would appreciate some ideas

[arctic nest]

Candy levels?

Not sure if there’s a better f2p unit than Mew here

Blue is pretty decent I think

[alpine quiver]

So sorry for butting in
What's Mew's purpose?

[pseudo pewter]

Only good ice kanto

[pseudo pewter]

3/5 mew
1/5 ss red
2/5 nc blue

[alpine quiver]

Can't red handle the sides himself?
That could open up a slot for a better unit than Mew

[pseudo pewter]

fair enough

ill send all my kanto units

[alpine quiver]

I'd try NC Blue, Blue, and maybe Sabrina

Blue can easily take out the sides with one nuke

[pseudo pewter]

which blue

[exotic dome]

Pidgeot

[pseudo pewter]

okay thank yiu

[pseudo pewter]

do i give them all antitoxin

[alpine quiver]

I did in my run. Though, I only used F2P units

[pseudo pewter]

okay

thanks

yeah i lost

cant even get through the first part

[raven wharf]

Having trouble

Getting consistent confusion is hard

[formal matrix]

You don’t need confusion tho

[raven wharf]

Interference

[formal matrix]

As long as Steven and blue are both ex role

Let Steven sync first. And then after Nemona removes her rebuff, let blue sync

[fading walrus]

Yeah just don't sync with blue until she syncs

[raven wharf]

Sssteven can't really beat nemona is three syncs

Endurance is especially a big block

Scary...

[arctic nest]

Wait she clears rebuff off herself?

[stone scarab]

Yes

Every sync

[arctic nest]

Okay, maybe that explains some stuff

NCRose felt like she should be a decent enough support to clear that stage

Might just go with ASteven though because getting Confusion is a bit more tedious than rebuff.

[stone scarab]

Rosa is realistically inflicting confusion after nemona's first sync for the passive though, since its really hard to avoid using both her rebuff prior to that point of the fight

[fast pendant]

Getting confusion for her is as free as rebuff

She is the best supp for it

[arctic nest]

Somehow I must have never actually done Palmer’s stage properly since I just completed it now. Visualizing it through the Replay feature helps so much.

[arctic nest]

Noted

Will probably try her again soon then

[arctic nest]

Managed Giovanni as well now that my ASteven is 4/5 and Carnie is 3/5

[arctic nest]

Tried it and failed to kill sides? They just set terrain and kill me.

Either I am doing something wrong or Nosa+SSLana+SSteven isn’t able to clear Nomona

[fast pendant]

You're doing something wrong

[arctic nest]

Everyone is 3/5 and EXR

I wonder what

[fast pendant]

Record and send your game play

[arctic nest]

Because it doesn’t seem like sides want to die

Like I know there’s non optimal plays I am probably making but still

I might try again. I did have Nosa die on me and I think she should be gridded for Potions instead of the Confusion Debuffs I have her on

Is Potion Grid incorrect on her actually?

Or maybe I not suppose to sync with Nosa first?

Use only Nuke in this game mode?

[stable tundra]

If you can't pre sync Nemona you should not sync with Rosa, until she cleanses rebuffs after her first sync

After Nemona's first sync, you must spam Rosa's Teeter Dance in order to deal full damage

[opaque dagger]

?
Rosa's rebuffs aren't on sync

[alpine quiver]

I wanted to look into another avenue for F2Ping the Kanto EBE, but the strikers suck

[stable tundra]

I'm aware, although I'm not a good at explaining

There, edited. Sorry for causing the confusion

[onyx cedar]

[shell aurora]

Finally beat evelyn ub

[golden steppe]

4/5 Steven?

[shell aurora]

Yup

But in the docs someone did it with 1/5 steven

[dim lance]

Ladies and gentlemen

we got em

[marble portal]

this took too much of my sanity

5/5 May 4/5 VBede 4/5 AS Steven. Bede and Steven caked, May with 70 energy, Steven with 68

[spark isle]

I'm finaly up to date with these, Nita, maskes royal and Nemona were the worst.

[dim lance]

Hmmm

I'm running Acuity

I think I can get away with running Vigil, I suppose

[stable storm]

how many buff block charges does ss korin have

[dim lance]

she doesn't have buff block

until 4/5

and superawakening sync

but she has "permanent" steal

coinflip on shadow punch + sync reload

[stable storm]

oh is this 3/5 ssk?

[dim lance]

ye

people give her too mucn flak

she hits pretty hard

But yeah, am mostly doing Summer Acerola clears to push her

Pretty reliable tbh?

not alone but

as a tank, she does a pretty good job

[lunar sedge]

Snipe Vuleplume as soon as possible

https://youtu.be/mzzUiKTx4So?si=dFnD9oTWGQCT1CiC

I have a video of the run from last year, however it's quite rough around the edges of a run but at least 2 blast burn should be enough to take down the vileplume before it can do anything

[dim lance]

Noice

[gentle wharf]

IT

IS

DONE!

Ultimate Battle Vs Leon and Charizard’s Unbeatable Blaze finally cleared with Volkner, Ash, and Neo Champion Blue woo! With that, I finally cleared all 14 Ultimate Battles up to this date.

Leon’s gimmick is status conditions and Field. If he isn’t affected by either his defenses get tripled, and yes it stacks lol. To make matters worse is that his sides love to use AoE moves, and that every single attack move they do WILL inflict Sleep unless you’re immune. To top it off Leon has Endurance at 60% HP and will get rid of Terrain and conditions when he hits it, so you best bring a reliable Status condition and Field setter that can keep it up.

This was a frustrating battle and I had to wait 7 months until I got the final key teammate for this battle, just like with Nita and Landorus. Volkner is the Terrain Setter and is in the general pool so he’s easy to get. Ash is an extinct unit only available during 3rd anniversary anime collaboration so I was lucky to have his fantastic attack. Then this month I got Neo Champion Blue who is the perfect support for this battle with his debuffs, massive team healing, 70% AoE paralysis chance, and great durability. As long as Electric Terrain is up sleep can’t affect me, and Blue’s Discharge helps make sure Ash can annihilate the enemy with his Thunders. Even with that I still needed like 2-3 MP Refreshes for Volkner’s Electric Terrain haha.

Just Steel, Bug, and Ghost weak Ultimate Battles left. Considering that next is Dana and Regice, it’s most likely Steel. Hope my roster is up to the task.

[jaunty light]

3/5, 5/5, 2/5. maybe he2 node on 2/5 nc blue mattered but finally over with this nightmare

[gentle wharf]

Noice

[timid prairie]

who can i use to beat fight through kantos best

part 2

[pseudo pewter]

Do I have to ex red

[valid raft]

Show your Kanto units

[valid raft]

Also, don't use the 2 of the NC Kantrio units you have, not worth it

[lunar sedge]

I don't think it's necessary since the sides would be already down by the time its red's turn to sync

[pseudo pewter]

Alright peak

[mental jasper]

yeah I'll be honest I do not know your plan for beating mid regardless of investment

unless that plan is Agatha for sleep chaining

[snow spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUsYMhTyM28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIChz4tDrpM

[golden steppe]

Huh

Woah

[golden steppe]

I think OG Blue is able to kill

[mental jasper]

through tough skin?

[golden steppe]

I don’t think they have Tough Skin, unless you’re talking about the Battle Challenge

[mental jasper]

yeah idk why I thought there was tough skin

must've misread tough cookie as tough skin

[hallow estuary]

hello

i have zapdos 1/5

can i clear any ultimate battle?

have arc leon

ash pikachu

[mental jasper]

[forest aurora]

That weather on Ult Nita’s Battle feels so jank. I’ve been trying to time it so that Irida negates it via Ice Wish, but for some reason the sandstorm seems to delay itself for some reason after her sync. Am I missing something about how this fight works?

…there is also a possibility that it could be tied to an HP gate… if that’s the case it would really suck

[stone scarab]

it is in fact tied to her endurance thresholds

80%, 50%, and once the Landorus goes down the side Hippowdon will set it repeatedly

[forest aurora]

That really is terrible. I’m doing too good then somehow

At least it isn’t tied to her sync move (even though that is a massive issue in of itself)

She always seems to throw the X Speed all right after sync, and at that point I can’t control it anymore

[stone scarab]

assuming your only debuffer is Irida, you'd need to get some kind of interference in to delay the speed buffing to get yourself back on pace

[forest aurora]

That is rough, but not impossible. I can’t rely on frozen (even through HE2 on NC Red) cause she has a condition immune shield, so I think it’d pretty much come down to NC Blue hitting the 30% flinches or something

Paralysis is near guaranteed to inflict before she becomes immune (and she doesn’t cure it post-sync, which is nice), but idk if that slows her enough to do it.

Usually most enemy teams from what I generally observe aren’t crippled by paralysis until after their 1st sync

I guess I’ll just have to roll the dice and see if I can get the speed drop control. Fortunate now I know the timing to pop ice wish.

[fast pendant]

I'm confused on what you said about NC red

You can absolutely and should used red's b move freeze to buy turns

You do not want to paralyze them

I would advise against using NC blue

[fading walrus]

Stagger is crucial with solo irida as speed dropper

[marble portal]

I’ll also add that with the speed debuffs, remember that she clears debuffs every sync and her TM is +4 speed and attack for the team

iirc she pops the TM around second sync?

[fast pendant]

A team of Irida and Red shouldn't be reaching that stage

NC Blue flinch and paralysis are inherently bad in a team with Red

[forest aurora]

If not him, then who else would I use? Not exactly a whole bunch of great options from what I know of…

[marble portal]

do you have SS N?

I used him and demolished the stage there

oh

[forest aurora]

My best attempt so far got all foes down to around 40% before death by second Sync. Becomes nigh impossible without a flinch after the X speed all

[fast pendant]

What other supps you have

[marble portal]

you’re doing NC Blue/Irida/NC Red I assume?

if so, what levels

[forest aurora]

All are 150, 3/5 and have EX & EX Role

[marble portal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonMasters/comments/1dfr87v/ub_nita_with_15_irida/?share_id=wIzTPOMLmIDhrfQAgXW1P&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

[forest aurora]

Although it doesn’t matter much for Irida having EX role since she doesn’t have time for popping sync

[marble portal]

that’s a 1/5 but there’s a team for that

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=002103014500&s0=3&l0=140&r0=6&p0=0&a0=15010301&t0=11111&x0=true&g0=AAECAwQFBggLDhATFhklJyot&v1=028500047100&s1=1&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=15010101&t1=4444&g1=AAECAwQFBgcICQoMERITFRobHB0jJCUmJyg&v2=000003014400&s2=3&l2=150&r2=6&p2=0&a2=13016403&t2=44444&x2=true&g2=AAECAwQFDA8fIiQoKywtLi8

grids

[forest aurora]

Only other decent supports I have are Arc Steven, NC Rosa, Rika, Eri, and Penny (although the latter 2 aren’t gonna be much help at 1/5)

[marble portal]

Steven has carried me for most the UBs.

I didn’t use him for Nita tho.

What level is your Steven?

[stone scarab]

my nita clear uses him, though it also doesn't use NC Red

[marble portal]

my clear was Oleana/SS N/SS Morty

[stone scarab]

SS Silver/Irida/Arc Steven for me

[forest aurora]

150, currently 1/5 since I’ve been holding off on using my in case I get something else. Best case, I can currently get him 4/5

[fast pendant]

The supp has 0 impact in that team

As long as you don't steal denials

[marble portal]

eh idk if 1:5 Steven works

[fast pendant]

He does

[marble portal]

ah

ik he won’t debuff speed

[marble portal]

I think for those supports only Rosa could debuff speed? tho needs confusion and totally RNG based

[fast pendant]

You don't need a supp that debuffs speed

[marble portal]

Irida good enough then?

[fast pendant]

You just need red to stun the unit moving to buy turn for irida to debuff further

If Rosa has ex role she's the best option as she'll have sprint

And this battle you can pre sync

[forest aurora]

Probably just need to study the pattern the throw ice beams into the enemy that’s moving. It would work until Nita has condition shield go up…

[fast pendant]

The pattern is the same as any center right center left center center sync

[fading walrus]

Is your nc Red 3/5 exr

[rigid pivot]

THERE we go, didn’t need 3/5 chase, somehow presync’d it too idk how but

[fading walrus]

Because there's ways to consistently beat nita with a sleeper as third along nc Red + irida if so

https://youtu.be/riwr2Z3mGEM?si=l9iPU0Q2mibw7db-

I should retake this

On my new phone

So its higher quality

[forest aurora]

Melony… Yeesh, somehow she once again appears to potentially save the day

[fading walrus]

Any sing unit

Technically even an eggmon could do it

I ran her as a simple gen pool that only needs 1/5 non ex

And troublemaker

To work

And can actually tank one hit

[forest aurora]

Wait… how the heck did you hit sing through the shield

[fading walrus]

I didn't

[stone scarab]

resilliance isn't a field effect, it's a status change given specifically the the character recovering from the status

so if you space out the interruptions correctly, you'll be able to take the most advantage

[forest aurora]

…oooooh, that explains things.

[fading walrus]

Yeah it's pretty automated for me how many cycles of moves i have before it goes away

[forest aurora]

I thought once it popped all enemies got it simultaneously. I never had individual interferences/statuses happen

That’s a good thing to know.

[fading walrus]

Yeah that's why nc blue is good but not that great for flinch

His AoE flinch helps later when you need all 3 opponents to flinch

But early on it's much less useful

[forest aurora]

Mhm. Only issue is that it’s extremely inconsistent with no way to boost it.

I might try doing the Melony or NC Rosa strat (provided Rosa learns troublemaker in her grid). Will need to look through what I have for them, but it gives me confidence this is possible.

[fading walrus]

Well its on a move that's

• negative gauge use
• gives +1 both defences
• can para (90% 3/5)
• drops -1 offences (3/5)
• can have mg2 or dc2 added to it
• can confuse (2/5)

While AoE

30% AoE flinch is huge

Because it's staggering

Not native

So you get

• insta queue
• not ST rng flinches

[forest aurora]

Yeah, it’s just one of the few fights where there are parts of it you don’t want because we need precision this time.

Seems like Melony is just gonna have to be the way to go. NC Rosa doesn’t seem to have a good way of increasing Sing’s accuracy. best she can do is a 65% accuracy with some grid tiles, which well… isn’t great.

…

wait a second

Is troublemaker a lucky skill

[fast pendant]

You only need one 10% and add troublemaker as ls

[forest aurora]

Goshdangit.

[fading walrus]

Yea

Melony has tm1 ls too

[forest aurora]

That… pretty much kills it.

I don’t have any way to getting troublemaker.

[fading walrus]

There's literally a stamina rally going on

• the lucky skill farming stage

[fast pendant]

You don't actually need that, you can do 65% with acc increase from tm for rosa

[fading walrus]

Sure it's not great odds but you'll eventually get it

[fading walrus]

It does make the clear much slower tho, so no presync

But still

Rosa adds bulk and heals to the team

So it should still work out fine

[fast pendant]

It should be quite an easy pre sync still

[forest aurora]

Wait… oh!

I did not realize troublemaker was on an always accessible cookie

Thank god

I thought that cookies was only good for giving damage boost passives. (Learn to read next time, I guess. )

I have way more than enough. Let me go put those on Rosa right away.

[jaunty light]

hmm

i wonder if this team but 5/5 sina instead of nc red can clear anabel?

gotta 3/5 my nc blue first

[fervent mulch]

Do you have a support that can just debuff offenses?

Since that’s the important part of what he’s doing there at 3/5

If your irida is 3/5 you mainly need someone that debuffs atk

[jaunty light]

arc steven 1/5 enough? i dont have access to atk/spatk down

oh attack debuff hmm

[fervent mulch]

You can try it

See how Sina survives sync

[jaunty light]

aight ill give it a shot

hmmm

wait irida has satisfied snarl

oh too expensive for a grid even with more energy sadge

[fervent mulch]

Oh I thought this was for Nita

I don’t know why I thought that omg

[jaunty light]

sobing

cleared nita last night with the same team but with nc blue

[arctic nest]

I need to check the info on Noland because the team I am using doesn’t seem to be it.