Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

[stable storm]

she has been there for a week

[alpine quiver]

I just hit "other" and put in Morgan

[fading walrus]

She was on the doc weeks ago, but wasnt submittable for

[stable storm]

if anything is debuffed you take +90%

[lunar sedge]

Just use YT or streamable

[normal olive]

Yeah I’m doing that

Cus it didn’t convert it to under 100mb

[stable storm]

chat, should I record this clear but make my nc rosa gridless to see if 5/5 was needed. I didn't use her potion more than once

low rng as well

only 1 snatch mpr is needed

and ig no early sleep?

[paper mural]

Morgan: clear it once is fun but I don't want to see it in br

[stable storm]

you mean rally?

she's probably gonna be hellish in rally true

[lunar sedge]

We were like 10 seconds apart lol

[snow spruce]

Morgan is only easy with full Impervious. She is quite cancer otherwise

[stable storm]

she's funny

I like her

[lunar sedge]

Cookie impervious when

[gilded finch]

That cookie would be op

[fading walrus]

Waiting for a og N clear

[alpine quiver]

I am taking on Morgan with this team

[gilded finch]

No

im concerned that you havent said jk yet

[alpine quiver]

because it won't come

[fading walrus]

Sure, dont see anything weird there

[fading walrus]

Triple support is good

[alpine quiver]

To whomever said they believe in ASS DPS
This one's for you 🫡

[gilded finch]

i have never seen triple support in my life

[fading walrus]

And actually really easy to win with vs a lot of ubs

[paper mural]

Let's hope bug and ghost will be "Lucy or Darach" level easy so we can still have 2 easy ub join in.

[snow spruce]

When does the sidemon normally use Guard Spec (if you never flinch him) ?
post-sync or after mid dies?

[fading walrus]

The fights last quite longer but some premium comps literally just dont die

[paper mural]

Post sync when the right first move iirc.

[gilded finch]

I would only do a longer battle if i knew for sure i could win

granted i have all three of those units

But they’re just

Underleveled

[paper mural]

No on tried 3 Stevens for fun yet? Arc + SS or OG or Anni.

[gilded finch]

Ive seen someone use arc and og

I think

[normal olive]

Yep

[stable storm]

@hearty cedar . N could actually ignore the buffs of the enemy as they have dr instead of increased defenses

[normal olive]

How long did this take

That took 10 minute minimum

[stable storm]

oh you are finally back. It's been 50 years since you left to clear the ub

[alpine quiver]

I'm finally back, chat
has EOS happened, yet?

[gilded finch]

Im sorry i doubted that team

[hearty cedar]

Oh wait, TRUE!!!

[alpine quiver]

where are the Super Arc Suits?

[hearty cedar]

Just need impervious

[stable storm]

I am surprised you didn't try single N or double N yet

[hearty cedar]

Was kinda busy

[normal olive]

Wait

Chat hear me out

[stable storm]

unfortunately no

[normal olive]

Sailerola clear

[gilded finch]

Its two of my friends

[hearty cedar]

And ppl told me to use nate before they disowned me

[normal olive]

She has impervious on grid

[gilded finch]

Interacting

[normal olive]

Reactive passive that lowers attacks

[stable storm]

with who

[normal olive]

I don’t know

I gotta figure that out

Wait

Sailerola
Poppy

[stable storm]

ohhhh

[normal olive]

Nc nate

All 3 of my favorites

All 5/5

[stable storm]

should be enough

[normal olive]

Oh my god this is

[stable storm]

who debuffs sp def again

[fading walrus]

Yeah

I know?

Thats why i'm asking

[gilded finch]

Whos that guy

[stable storm]

the message was for SSN

[normal olive]

Cameilla

[hearty cedar]

You think blue with turn 1 flinch + zekrom + sstr clears? Should be fine imo

[normal olive]

https://tenor.com/view/camellia-my-beloved-osu-beatsaber-gif-5118047642561602713

[stable storm]

does anyone there drop sp def

[normal olive]

No

[gilded finch]

lmao

[normal olive]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-bowser-sad-nintendo-switch-gif-8015204

Fine fuck you poppy

[stable storm]

I don't think you wanna turn 1 flinch?

[fading walrus]

Tbolt has no stat drop immunity tho doesnt he

[stable storm]

otherwise enemy clicks guard spec

and sstr does no damage

[hearty cedar]

Grounding wire maybe?

[alpine quiver]

I'd love to try an all-Steven team, but I've got no way to lower Sp.Def consistently or debuffs to offensive stats

[stable storm]

do you have v kris ss n

*mahesh

[fading walrus]

No, tbolt only blocks interf

And status

[gilded finch]

Ss n 💀

[hearty cedar]

V kris no

[stable storm]

v kris zekrom N definitely clears

[fading walrus]

SSN has a lot of ub clears

[stable storm]

Do you have our glorious king

SS N is good

[hearty cedar]

And blue as support?

[stable storm]

Yes

[gilded finch]

I do own SS N actually

[hearty cedar]

I'm waiting for candies to SA victini and zekrom

[stable storm]

10/5 is best acronym

[hearty cedar]

I agree

[stable storm]

I would love it if Lear got a broken 10/5

[gilded finch]

SA victini is wild

[alpine quiver]

😭

[paper mural]

I just checked who has impervious and SS N weirdly has "Impervious under hail".

[stable storm]

he's pre year 2 as well. Give him diantha level 10/5

[hearty cedar]

SS N got sprint ex effect in his 10/5 passive which ppl thought would be his ex role

I sincerely wish victini gets another 100% nuke multiplier to compensate it not getting tech exr

[hearty cedar]

Perfect and problematic

Perfect bcuz irida sets it up on entry and denies acc debuffs for ss N

Problematic bcuz it boosts turn 1 icy wind

[stable storm]

imagine she gets geeta's passive

[gilded finch]

I thought victini was already broken enough

[hearty cedar]

Seems like SSN should be able to clear this ub with a bit of change in team comp

[stable storm]

+1 pmun per enemy hit

[hearty cedar]

Why not more

[fading walrus]

Victini is actually not that great

[gilded finch]

What am i supposed to do with a 1/5 SS N

[fading walrus]

Without SA

[paper mural]

It won't happen. V is strong enough as she is so they'll give her some random -cd as well.
SS N's SA is super unfitting imo. At least give another unique passive for his 2 turn gimmick.

[hearty cedar]

Imagine if she gets diantha's 10/5 passive. Would be so damn busted

[fading walrus]

She's very paper and her output is far from commendable

[hearty cedar]

Buddy, Idk if we are playing the same game

[gilded finch]

I already think she’s OP and i only have her at 1/5 💀

[fading walrus]

Yeah, i dont have nc leaf, so we're basically not playing the same game

[hearty cedar]

She was broken before nc.leaf tho. Nc.leaf added more steroids not just to her but to the entire type

[gilded finch]

Is Arc Leon the ultimate fire unit steroid

[fading walrus]

I wouldn't call her op period still

[gilded finch]

I mean do i really need Arc leon if i already have 3/5 R NC Leaf

[normal olive]

I could do this

[robust arch]

Finally got a SS Serena clear

[normal olive]

Don’t really want to, but I could

[robust arch]

(This is not it right?)

[paper mural]

I mean I said strong not broken.
Afaik mostly only pretty outdated pfs got godly sa. Most are just passble.

[gilded finch]

Oh hooray SS Lear

[hearty cedar]

I would say the best all arounder for the type. But you can achieve what he does with 2 units instead of using him alone which aint that bad since this is a 3 unit game

[stable storm]

poppy instead of sstr could work btw. You just need to give someone mind games

enemies don't buff that fast

so with some luck your first comp should clear

[hearty cedar]

Idk chief, looks like there's money on the ground

Jk

[gilded finch]

Gotta love when your favorites actually become useful

[stable storm]

FINALLY THE FIRST ZERENA CLEAR

[gilded finch]

BUT WITH SS LEAR

😡😡😡

[hearty cedar]

Is it wrong to call it steel clear?

[paper mural]

Now we wait Og Lance / SSC

[robust arch]

But a Zerena clear is a Zerena clear right

[stable storm]

I am 100% sure this is actually the first zerena clear

[snow spruce]

It seems like at least Unbending + Stalwart are both required on the tank?
ofc full Impervious is better, but with at least these two it might still be doable. Since those are the two major stats that mid debuffs/leeches
and either Acuity or have Piercing Gaze on tank too, to avoid Ridicure
Tank would still take +90% without Impervious tho, but maybe healable

[gilded finch]

with hax

Why why do i need any lear Dena

[hearty cedar]

Bcuz he knows the truth, that, ||money is the strongest power in the world||

[normal olive]

Is that a lucky skill

I don’t have deluxe cookies

[stable storm]

in my second clear nc rosa even with a stat down only took 75% from hyper bean

*beam

[gilded finch]

He’s like bruce wayne of pokemon

[stable storm]

yep

[gilded finch]

https://tenor.com/view/bats-batman-rich-pp-gif-18205276

[stable storm]

steel comp is made out of rich people as well

[hearty cedar]

I frickin love his gold suit lol

TRUE!!!

All 3 are filthy rich

[gilded finch]

broke comp when

[hearty cedar]

Lear:- all according to the plan

[stable storm]

the second strongest comp is rich kids

[alpine quiver]

I LOVE MONEY

[normal olive]

[stable storm]

the first strongest still uses a rich kid

[fading walrus]

Nepotism too

[hearty cedar]

I'd say the strongest team with respect to types

[gilded finch]

😭😭😭

[stable storm]

ASS has so much money

[stable storm]

wait that's true as well

[fading walrus]

None of them is rich through personal achievements

[gilded finch]

i need my ASS back

[fading walrus]

They're all rich through inheritance

[stable storm]

Forget rats, money is the strongest power

[hearty cedar]

Son of a CEO + Chairman of the league + grandson of a renowned scientist

Too many rich ppl

[gilded finch]

Money does buy happiness?

[alpine quiver]

👁

[fading walrus]

Yeah

He really takes morgan for a spin

[stable storm]

why are all the rich people good against morgan

[hearty cedar]

Yes, bcuz you can beat ubs without losing and suffering

[alpine quiver]

this is gonna be so fucking funny

[hearty cedar]

That's what he did after diantha got her upgrade lol

[stable storm]

btw, remember the if double drop works on hit passive discussion?@fading walrus

[gilded finch]

I just realized the only reason why i cant beat nemona either is because im missing a rich guy in my team

[fading walrus]

boot up poma
this happens

[gilded finch]

granted i do own the rich guy but not the right version

[fading walrus]

You dont have SS lusa?

[hearty cedar]

Does N qualify as rich? He "was" the king of team plasma who built a literal castle from the ground up but he left for woods in the end

[stable storm]

double drop does work on those passives

[gilded finch]

I DO BUT PEOPLE CANCEL ME WHEN I SUGGEST CANDYING HER

[stable storm]

1/5

[hearty cedar]

Rip multi

[fading walrus]

It's the Daily

[hearty cedar]

Rip

You probably got arc cynthia

So the game said F off

[alpine quiver]

see, that's why I make this pro gamer move and don't listen to people

[fading walrus]

Definitely

[rotund oasis]

hum

okay timne to cook

[fading walrus]

4/5 arc cyn from Daily would actually make me mad

[gilded finch]

The truth is the investments wouldnt hurt me in the long run

But apparently every candy is precious

[gentle wharf]

Geeta clear still funny haha

[river prawn]

Lussa is not really a good investment

[alpine quiver]

the way I candy stuff is just look at what I need most
idk how others do it, but I doubt my thought is not unique

[gilded finch]

i mean

I have dexio and lussa just not ASS or Lear

[warm haven]

Morgan done

[gilded finch]

lussamine is still an s tier unit

[stable storm]

where would ya all put morgan in terms of ub difficulty

[paper mural]

Sometimes the daily just freeze after the sync pair showed up to me.
Like it want to remind me "you only got a 3 star lol" longer.

[river prawn]

ehh I wouldnt put too much weight on her position

[rotund oasis]

okay

[stable storm]

congratulations

[rotund oasis]

i'm gonna cook. SS Serena (Acuity) NC Blue (Vigilance/Impervious) and Ball Guy (Vigilance/Impervious)

[gilded finch]

But yeah i technically could wait for ASS to rerun since the UB isnt gonna go anymore

[river prawn]

Until ASS reruns you will probably clear it

waay before

[stable storm]

are you sure you won't get cooked

[gilded finch]

How tho

[rotund oasis]

if nothing else, i've got other options.

[river prawn]

There will be at least another broken support until arc steven reruns

[alpine quiver]

Serena when the wind is a bit too icy

https://tenor.com/view/skull-doll-skull-doll-fan-gif-24819427

[stable storm]

they put that in to fuck her specifically

[rotund oasis]

you can watch me get destroyed then xD

[gilded finch]

I mean i dont know what difference having someone like NC rosa would make

[robust arch]

Good luck against the AoE moves before her sync

[stable storm]

get to 60% before enemy syncs

[gilded finch]

Tbh i feel like you could make a better psychic damage dealer than even steven still

[stable storm]

otherwise enemies click guard spec and you won't be able to remove the buffs

[hearty cedar]

Idk mate, feels like you gonna get cooked

[gilded finch]

Just need to wait for the psychic equivalent to ss gladion to drop

[river prawn]

That is not a big upgrade then

[gilded finch]

I’ll take anything that comes close

I mean i already have it

[paper mural]

Nemona need god tank not god striker.

[stable storm]

Lear 10/5 will surpass SSS

[hearty cedar]

Did ss steven get 10/5?

[river prawn]

no

[paper mural]

Even genpool striker can mock her if you have god tank.

[stable storm]

no, most psychics didn't

[gilded finch]

Ive tried nc blue and Arc steven

[bright python]

lol

[gilded finch]

Maybe i really do just need nc rosa

[alpine quiver]

😭

[bright python]

for context one is froopy's and one is mine

[stable storm]

nc blue+ bianca and Olympia should be enough

[rotund oasis]

oh poppy is kinda good huh

[stable storm]

recording makes my poma so slow....

[gilded finch]

That sounds really optimistic

[bright python]

because she has impervious

[gilded finch]

Apparently having anni may means nothing

[paper mural]

The clear in the doc is Arc Steven + Olympia + Bianca.

[stable storm]

huh

[gilded finch]

Huh

[alpine quiver]

God I love teams that have absolutely no risk factors to them

They cover absolutely anything and everything and slap them around

[bright python]

huh

[stable storm]

what's the actual odds then

[bright python]

meant to post it in #poma-lounge because then i'm more justified

gakon claims its 1/2

[gilded finch]

3/5 AS tho right

[bright python]

which means you're playing tcgp when morgan does her second sync

[stable storm]

for syncs at +2?

[river prawn]

it should be 50%

[bright python]

sync at +2 is basically +1 crit so

+1 crit is 50%

[paper mural]

4/5 iirc. So just wait until you can get ASS to 4/5.
It's worth it no matter what.

[stable storm]

huh

huh

[gilded finch]

Oh thats a lot

[stable storm]

I swear it's 1/8 in mainline

ohhh wait

[gilded finch]

The problem with Arc suits right now is access to multi candy

[paper mural]

Will prob be quicker than Arc psychic release imo.

[gilded finch]

Imma go take a look at the submitted clears for morgan

Im sure theres something there

[chilly dawn]

So what the frack is morgan's deal? Spam acc down?

[robust arch]

@rotund oasis you cooked

[normal olive]

Ball guy jumpscare

[low coral]

Lol why were people thinking Ball Guy wouldn't work with another tank

[formal matrix]

Stoves vs Morgan

[alpine quiver]

Fuck it
NC Blue is so trash
Replacing him with Sycamore, fr

[low coral]

The objective is to not let the enemy be buffed, not to make them debuffed

[formal matrix]

SS Stove ded because I used 0 potion

[chilly dawn]

Oh ok

So we're meant to be blocking their buffs and not getting acc debuffed to hell?

I'm trying to get to grips with this shit, see if it's remotely attainable

[slow sky]

Their moves also debuff TF outta you

So you kinda need units with impervious or downside up

[chilly dawn]

Ok

Arc Steven can cover 1/3 at least

[hearty cedar]

I wish you did it with rayquaza lol

[chilly dawn]

Dragon weak might be dicey though, I don't have good dragon output beyond Zerena

[formal matrix]

Will do it now

[hearty cedar]

You have the steel team?

[chilly dawn]

No

Well, no lear/rose

[formal matrix]

I mean, there isn’t much difference in term of Ray or Deoxys

[slow sky]

Btw

[chilly dawn]

I just have solgalillie and ass

[stable storm]

ASSSS strikes again

[hearty cedar]

Nah, change og steven

[paper mural]

As long as you impervios any strong striker could work.

[chilly dawn]

I kinda wanna try SS Hilda

[hearty cedar]

Works

[chilly dawn]

Downside Up and hope she doesn't go splat

[formal matrix]

Og steven is becoming my new fav after his 10/5

He becomes an undying striker

If not first target

[hearty cedar]

Fair but do it with the recent 3 stevens(we dont count the lodge one)

[formal matrix]

Actually recent one is the normal type one

[hearty cedar]

Oh ye i forgot

[formal matrix]

I think og Steven and arc can duo this, if I optimize the move order to debuff the sides before the debuff block

[stable storm]

what is triple Steven team called? ASSSSSS?

[formal matrix]

I was kinda close

[snow spruce]

-Armor Leech 9: Lowers the target's Defense by one stat rank and raises the user's Defense by the same amount when the user's attack move against the target is successful
-Mind Leech 9: Lowers the target's Sp. Def by one stat rank and raises the user's Sp. Def by the same amount when the user's attack move against the target is successful
double drop also works on this, right ?

[slow sky]

Yeah

[snow spruce]

=/

[stable storm]

yep and they go +2

[slow sky]

Seeing it doubles my stat gains on my ASS

Yeah downside up units laughing at this shit

[hearty cedar]

Morgan's sync is physical?

[stable storm]

hit:3 stats down also works with double drops

no

special

[formal matrix]

What Iris 10/5 should have been

But then her 10/5 is just mid

[stable storm]

less than mid

[formal matrix]

Physical latias my beloved

/j

[stable storm]

enemies gain+6 to both defenses each turn if none of your units have imperv

[paper mural]

The built og Steven a hard to die striker first for sure.

[stable storm]

+2 if only one of your units doesn't

[paper mural]

Even his 5/5 expansion is more about surviving.

[formal matrix]

For all the UBs I did with og Steven, he is not tanking and he always ends with almost full hp

[stable storm]

He's very fat yes

I am disappointed in zerena

[paper mural]

Impervious only after sync its her issue.

[alpine quiver]

how did you get past the sides DR?

those require Atk. down

is your ASS 4/5?

[stable storm]

ASS has attack down on hit

attack and special attack down

[stable storm]

Yes, he's the biggest stove simp

[formal matrix]

5/5

[alpine quiver]

pain

[formal matrix]

I also had mind game 9 on SSS

[hearty cedar]

@formal matrix I tried the dog, it was being the dawg until latias took advantage of the sp.def drops

If only the dog had def/sp.def debuff immunity

Dog's never miss effect on all opponents invalidates the acc debuffs on us

[stable storm]

whose the dog

[formal matrix]

I almost get it with og and arc Steven duo. Only failed because I don’t have enough attack debuff on the sides. I think if I use SC then it will clear

[hearty cedar]

Sc.steven

[hearty cedar]

Try. Dog wont live till the end but it's debuffs will

[fading walrus]

1/5 arc Steven + 2 freebies

[chilly dawn]

Ok so tried ASS/Solgalillie/SS Hilda

Does Not Work.

[fading walrus]

I also hugely misplayed

But like

[chilly dawn]

You have no Atk drops so the sides have massive damage reduction

[fading walrus]

Got rewarded

[fading walrus]

That didn't stop me tbh

You just need to get lucky or ls vigi on your strikers

[chilly dawn]

I got to their second sync, everyone in amber and their side was all still green

[warm haven]

morgan was kinda fun

[chilly dawn]

It wasn't even vigilance

[warm haven]

she's like a puzzle that you can cheat with imperv

[chilly dawn]

They just got clattered

Solgaleo is weak to EQ and Victini is just frail

[stable storm]

she was hilarious

I liked her fight

[fading walrus]

Idk i really dont like how you need acuity on every non top crop unit if you wanna even try her

[formal matrix]

For you @hearty cedar

[paper mural]

Cheat (x)
Literally the requirement (o)

[fading walrus]

Yeah without impervious it's Just

Why bother

[warm haven]

nah just buff every stat

[fading walrus]

Like, Oh wow, nice SS lear clear brother

Then what

I tried using jasmine but then you lack debuffs

[stable storm]

can any unit debuff faster than a morgan whose allowed to debuff can buff

[fading walrus]

By 6 per turn, so right brother

[river prawn]

Team debuff immunity just becoming more and more precious

[paper mural]

Maybe wait until you have 4/5 ASS

[alpine quiver]

Cool!
My first duo

[fading walrus]

preciouslear

[fading walrus]

Yeah those two can duo a lot

[slow sky]

Status immunity and debuff immunity were always good stuffs to have

[fading walrus]

Funny infinite HP glitch

[paper mural]

Havent seen VCalem use tho. Hes supposed good in here.

[river prawn]

Yes but first UBs didn't debuff you

Giovanni started it

[stable storm]

Finally got the double Lear clear recorded

[river prawn]

And now it is often

[fading walrus]

Gio debuffs were ignorable albeit annoying

[stable storm]

should I make a yt channel called Lear simp and upload the vid there and link that on the doc?

[river prawn]

Giovanni, Evelyn, Nemona, Morgan

[stable storm]

evelyn debuffs?

[fading walrus]

Nemona debuffs aren't THAT serious either

Because they're tied to the gimmick

[stable storm]

other than turn 1 luster when else does evelyn debuff

[fading walrus]

Breaking swipe

[stable storm]

and what else

[fading walrus]

Also crunch can make darts much more perilous

[robust arch]

Rich duo

[hearty cedar]

So much money

[stable storm]

the power of nepotism

[chilly dawn]

Tbh I doubt he'd be enough, he only has 3-4 AoE hits and they maxed Atk

[warm haven]

https://youtu.be/Dhbhn5dhyhU

[fading walrus]

Nc Blue cloned himself????

[hearty cedar]

Morgan's sync is physical right?

@stable storm

[stable storm]

no, special

[alpine quiver]

https://youtu.be/rDPoFJt1ifU?si=ln_cBdGBzJ7A_uCf

[warm haven]

fixed

[warm haven]

not the morgan bully

[stable storm]

is she the new darach

[fading walrus]

Absolutely not

[hearty cedar]

Did fire and ice teams clear?

[fading walrus]

I'd definitely assume so

Esp ice

[stable storm]

I am talking about being bullied

[fading walrus]

Yeah?

[stable storm]

ice with 10/5 chase should clear

[hearty cedar]

What about def debuff?

[fading walrus]

She's still much harder to bully

[fading walrus]

I saw someone running dc2 irida

[stable storm]

meant to add modern

modern darach

[hearty cedar]

Bruh

Dc2 irida

[fading walrus]

Yeah

Snicker 9 + mg9 + dc2 irida

[stable storm]

attack debuff is brute forced by nc red p blows ice beam

[hearty cedar]

If they were successful then they literally had lottery levels of luck

[snow spruce]

Morgan is harder than Anabel IMO
then again I consider Anabel a mid-tier UB overall nowadays

[fading walrus]

Because they were tryinh no nc blue

Idr the third

[hearty cedar]

Blue doesnt debuff def to begin with

Unless it's -2 with sync

[paper mural]

It's mostly bc ASS can single handedly counter 90% of her gimmick so ppl can have fun.

[hearty cedar]

Which isnt enough

[stable storm]

nah, almost morgan instantly dies if you counter. Anabel still requires a lot even if you counter her

[hearty cedar]

That's why I consider him the best unit in this game

[stable storm]

morgan has like half the stats of anabel

[fading walrus]

Indeed

[snow spruce]

countering Morgan is much harder than Anabel

[stable storm]

About equally restrictive tho I think

[hearty cedar]

Restrictive:- morgan > anabel
Difficulty:- anabel > morgan

[snow spruce]

specific debuffs (including spdef) + mass Impervious is harder than any generic debuffs + 2 weathers

[fading walrus]

Anabel hp pool + her rng factor are much much more annoying than "Just have impervious or steroids + atk & acc drops blocks"

[stable storm]

doesn't anabel also have 5k attack

[fading walrus]

No?

[warm haven]

Try to find an anabel clear thats not with a rain support or the 2 best supports

[stable storm]

how much attack does anabel have

[fading walrus]

4600

[slate light]

14/14 wee

[paper mural]

NC Blue has his unique role compression as well.
ASS has no status and interference.

[hearty cedar]

Fair

[hearty cedar]

Rebuffs counts as interference

[snow spruce]

AS steven + weather already counters Anabel, she does nothing then
on Morgan the other 2 pairs not having Impervious can kill you

[stable storm]

so 1000 more than latias

[hearty cedar]

Steven just doesnt have status but has literally everything else

[fading walrus]

Anabel clears without irida, avery, nc serena, dahlia or nc silver are extremely few iirc

[stable storm]

didn't silver lightning clear morgan?

and only blue has imperv in there iirc

[fading walrus]

Ye

And if I may add

[paper mural]

No. Its negative status change but not interference.
Interference is specific flinch, trap and confusion.

[hearty cedar]

Both has flinch anyway

[fading walrus]

Thar clear is also pretty sloppy, far from being tight

[stable storm]

I feel like morgan has almost as many hard checks as Anabel

[snow spruce]

yeah just use SST Red and another MF

[paper mural]

For example the subway fight asks for interference specific with no interference: def & spdef x 3

[fading walrus]

Flinch is ass for interf

Blue got confusion

[stable storm]

and Anabel has the advantage of not almost instantly dying if you counter her

[fading walrus]

Which is quite better

[stable storm]

Imagine if latias had 800k hp

with double endure

[fading walrus]

Well Anabel has only 1

They increase endures on lower hp stages

[low coral]

You shouldn't run DC2 Irida unless you've got strong accuracy support

If you wanna run a DC2 unit, it's probably going to be Red, in case Chase's the support

[stable storm]

I am glad ubs aren't as fat anymore

I do not miss 700k-900k hp ubs

[fading walrus]

I think the support mightve been avery, so ig they banked on eva down to compensate

[low coral]

I mean, Morgan is harder to KO than most 700k UBs

[warm haven]

well it's only 1 imperv

[stable storm]

I found killing Leon or gio much harder

[fading walrus]

I should go back to that jp board

[paper mural]

Do we have pre sync Morgan alr?

[fading walrus]

And ask if they got the clear

[stable storm]

many

[fading walrus]

With ice duo + avery

[stable storm]

btw any nc rosa clears yet

[fading walrus]

I mean i'd expect so from top dragon comp

[low coral]

I assume that's a high copies Red

Because you're gonna need Recharging Strike 9 if running Irida and Avery

[stable storm]

red has rs9?

[fading walrus]

Yeah

[stable storm]

woah

[fading walrus]

Iirc It was all 3 5/5

Lol

[stable storm]

what's so weird about 5/5 mfs

[low coral]

I've used it when running Irida + SS Lyra, so it works pretty well when you need extra gauge

[fading walrus]

Yeah rs9 isn't even that far to get

It's top right on grid

[chilly dawn]

Ok I'm still screwed here

I don't have anyone with attack drops who can ignore debuffs

Who do we even have for that?

[stable storm]

many

[stable storm]

ASS, Nc blue,base Lear, poppy, summer acerola,etc.

[fading walrus]

No arc Steven?

He alone wins

[chilly dawn]

Yes but he doesn't do enough and that's only at 4/5

[fading walrus]

Even with no dupes

[chilly dawn]

His atk drop is on 4/5

[fading walrus]

Not needed

[stable storm]

doesn't 1/5 ASS and the 2 free sols do morg

[fading walrus]

My face when piercing blows:

[chilly dawn]

Bc I tried something similar and it just flumped

[stable storm]

or is 3/5 ASS needed

[stable storm]

them making it dr was very nice

[fading walrus]

Nah i'm literally upping my recording of it

[chilly dawn]

Largely because lillie never did much to the sides

[stable storm]

so 1/5 right?

[fading walrus]

Ye

[chilly dawn]

I think they were at 80% when we wiped

[stable storm]

@chilly dawn do you have ASS

[fading walrus]

1/5, lillie caked, MC exed

[chilly dawn]

Yes

[stable storm]

even 1/5

[chilly dawn]

3/5 exr

He got slammed

Solgalillie didn't have the output

[stable storm]

you could probably copy Clair fan's clear when it's uploaded

[rotund oasis]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=006601100000&s0=3&l0=150&r0=6&p0=0&a0=13010602&t0=44444&x0=true&g0=AAECAwQFCQwREhMWFyMmKSw&v1=000002002500&s1=3&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=18020601&t1=44444&x1=true&g1=AAECAwQFER0gIyUpLC0uLw&v2=002103014500&s2=3&l2=150&r2=6&p2=0&a2=15010301&t2=44444&x2=true&g2=AAECAwQFBggLDhAREhUXGBk nice.

[fading walrus]

Very weird

[fading walrus]

Mine absolutely shredded

[rotund oasis]

Sync Burst helped a bit haha

[fading walrus]

Now do It without ghold

[rotund oasis]

nou :<

[fading walrus]

Too easy with mr cheat

[verbal pawn]

How come!

[gilded finch]

I hate this game

[rotund oasis]

i basically

copied one of the successful clears

managed to copy someone who have the same roster-ish

[stable storm]

I made my own clear

[rotund oasis]

just needed to grid things a few things + better sync tile

[gilded finch]

I thought i was cooking with summer marnie smh

[rotund oasis]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=006601100000&s0=3&l0=150&r0=6&p0=0&a0=13010602&t0=44444&x0=true&g0=AAECAwQFCQwREhMWFyMmKSw&v1=000002002500&s1=3&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=18020601&t1=44444&x1=true&g1=AAECAwQFER0gIyUpLC0uLw&v2=002103014500&s2=3&l2=150&r2=6&p2=0&a2=15010301&t2=44444&x2=true&g2=AAECAwQFBggLDhAREhUXGBk for this clear. I copied a Successful Run Team.
I didnt record it, since i was just testing out stuff, but the circle helped a lot. Enjoy

SST Red 3R - Acuity
SS Lear 3R - CS2
NC Blue 3R - Adrenaline

[orchid bridge]

Kinda tempted to candy my Leon alt for this UB

[rotund oasis]

honestly

i had like a few windows they coudl debuff sst red but

i powered through ❤️

[stable storm]

he can duo at 1/5

[chilly dawn]

Yeah I just tried it with that team, killed middle but wiped to sides who were still at 75%

And if I delay killing middle I lose to the second sync

The solgaleos are absurdly squishy even with steven backing them up

[slow sky]

lots of fuck-up on this run but still cleared on this recorded run

[fading walrus]

Both are ground weak

You have to flinch a bulldoze at least once

[fading walrus]

I'm gonna try her next dw

[gilded finch]

Good luck

i dont think its possible

not with 1/5 arc steven anyway

[fading walrus]

It is with Fairy comp

Whimsical stability moment

[gilded finch]

wow

[fading walrus]

Too bad my wally is 2/5

So it's much more annoying

https://youtube.com/shorts/YVK_g3XrpB0?si=wzF0uT2GjtLP-06K

Ome day ill figure out how to lower the volume of the music i'm listening to while recording

Also fuck yt for forcing vertical sub 3 min videos to be shorts

[alpine quiver]

Yt is so weird about that

I put in so much work for my thumbnails, only for YT to say fuck you and make my videos shorts

[chilly dawn]

Have you tried making a UI to make it more of a horizontal display?

Like, fill the sides with lucky skills and the important info/grid tiles/whatever?

[fading walrus]

I don't really care enough about myself to edit so much

[chilly dawn]

Fair

[fading walrus]

I up my clears just in case it can help others

Not for views

[alpine quiver]

I'd like to give it a try, but what that'd look like across the different types of videos I do is what I ask myself

[chilly dawn]

Fair

[alpine quiver]

for stuff like EBEs, I have the missions on the sides
but I gotta brainstorm stuff for DC and anything else
Also, my editing skillset just boil down to splicing videos together, lmao

[chilly dawn]

Do you recall when the bulldoze comes out and who does it?

[paper mural]

They have a lot ground aoe move, not just once.

[chilly dawn]

Yeah but you need to flinch at least one so

[slow sky]

the mid has EQ

[chilly dawn]

Mid isn't the issue

I can kill middle

The issue is in order to kill middle, the sides have 75%

[slow sky]

wow

[stable storm]

both sides spam aoe ground

[chilly dawn]

Solgalillie is really not great

Well this is double solgaleo so they take 2 aoe syncs on top of that

And they're at 75% still

[fading walrus]

Left side, just after sync

You can see in my clear i preemptively iron headed chomp twice

To get flinch

[low coral]

Just a reminder to everyone that Sygna Suit Misty can AoE stat removal + AoE stat drop defense as a general pool unit with 2 MP on each and MPR

[fading walrus]

Yeah she's great on paper but idrk who to pair her with for a cheaper side clear

[low coral]

She's just gimmick checking, Morgan by herself still is strong

[fading walrus]

Yea

Thats my problem

[low coral]

So she's not making the stage by itself accessible, but she is providing an option for cheaper

Who are your Dragons?

[stable storm]

wonder how low investment can morgan get

[fading walrus]

I was trying to cook a ciris clear but it's really really annoying

[stable storm]

Mahesh did a ciris clear earlier iirc

with nc Nate

and someone else

[fading walrus]

I was literally about to say

"inb4 nc nate"

[gilded finch]

Guys…

[fading walrus]

No shit you clear

[gilded finch]

1/5 arc steven and 5/5 non caked solgalillie destroyed morgan 💀

[fading walrus]

Yeah

No surprise

[gilded finch]

I mean this is the least amount of investment needed

[stable storm]

sillie is incredibly strong for a f2p unit

[gilded finch]

The team isnt new but i made it better lol

[fading walrus]

Nah? My clear has 1 1% unit without dupes and 2 freebies

[stable storm]

I wonder if morgan could be done f2p

[gilded finch]

Do you count base steven as f2p

[stable storm]

no

[fading walrus]

No

[gilded finch]

Then no

[fading walrus]

Is there a clear with og Steven as only limited?

[stable storm]

ss misty theoretically checks the gimmicks but the other 2 need to be strong enough to defeat morgan

[lean trench]

SYCAMORE SWEEP

[gilded finch]

yeah you cant do it you need busted support

[fading walrus]

More than a busted support

[stable storm]

busted f2p support when Dena

[lean trench]

Zinnia clear lowered stats on sync

Just saying

[gilded finch]

I mean

[slow sky]

LOL Zinnia...

[gilded finch]

kippers i recreated your team

[fading walrus]

Lillie can't likely solo DPS in a f2p teamcomp

[gilded finch]

Lillie didnt need ex cake

[lean trench]

Oh only on one sync

Nevermind

[slow sky]

i wouldnt even bring Zinnia to CSMM

let alone UB

[gilded finch]

And 1/5 arc steven worked

[fading walrus]

She's fun in csmm

[stable storm]

zinnia is ass

[slow sky]

if there is a "refund" button to get back all the exp books spent on her I would

[fading walrus]

I use zinnia with SS kris for fun 2v3 dragon weak, but Clair better

[gilded finch]

Crazy

The problem with zinnia is that shes not very gauge friendly

[fading walrus]

Nah

[stable storm]

zinnia has many problems in general

[fading walrus]

Her problem is her 3* tier bulk

[slow sky]

yea I kinda figured, cos when I recorded my run I had quite alot of screwups but still cleared lmao

[fading walrus]

Setup problem and low DPS can be saved by a good support

[dim lance]

Yeap, simple as that

[fading walrus]

But if you die to a breeze even with lots of defence buffs...

[dim lance]

Cheren who?

[gilded finch]

Oh thats a cool one

[fading walrus]

Down side up gaming

[dim lance]

"not a proper tank" btw

2 sync buffed Hyper Beam

@stable storm you asked for it, you got it

[gilded finch]

Yveltal is pretty much death after all

[stable storm]

Lys tank is real

funny how the Pokemon about death is bad at killing things

but good at staying alive

[dim lance]

comparatively bad

give him and Skyla superawakening and the damage is fine

but Lysandre outgrinds most things anyways so

[stable storm]

still hilarious

[fading walrus]

....

Ayo

5/5 SS lana has impervious

[stable storm]

¿

oh

[dim lance]

uhh yeah

she does

[fading walrus]

How come nobody used her yet

Mine is 4/5

[stable storm]

I don't think many people have her 5/5 and Avery exists

[fading walrus]

Her + SSteven + nc rosa sounds like free money

[stable storm]

wouldn't Avery be better

[fading walrus]

I dont have him

So

[stable storm]

fair

[gilded finch]

Morgan might actually be the easiest of the chatelaines

[lunar sedge]

until we have steel weak Dana

[gilded finch]

Oh right Dana

[slate light]

sentry 3 because go soak your head

[lunar sedge]

kid named SS Lear

[fading walrus]

Steel weak Dana might be actually free with the amount of powerful steel units we have

Unless It has some absurd gimmick ofc

I meant for "f2p friendly" clears ofc

[stable storm]

it would be funny if dana ends up being crazy hard

[lunar sedge]

actually as much as i meme steel weak dana i probably don't want that that bc i'd rather steel weak submas

[silver spruce]

What’s the gimmick for Morgan?

[lunar sedge]

dana can just uh bug weak girafarig

[stable storm]

2 not that hard chantelines and 2 from hell

[orchid bridge]

People said the same thing with ice UB will be easy because of NC Red and irida

And we all know what happens

[slow sky]

☠️

[fading walrus]

I mean theres a huge difference

[slow sky]

worst UB stage ever

[low coral]

I mean, if you do have NC Red + Irida, it is easy

But not necessarily if you have one

[stable storm]

debuff sp def def and attack or enemies will not die. If you miss enemies will heal and not die. If you let the enemies debuff you(which they do like crazy), you will die

if the enemies debuff you they buff like crazy

[fading walrus]

The gap between top cut and Freebie ice units is insane, and there's really nothing like irida in that type

Steel has actually really good freebies and really insane limiteds that work in tandem

[boreal abyss]

Ladies and gentlemen

[fading walrus]

Lay the rayquaza clear on us

King

[boreal abyss]

Time to rev the good old engine and show how it's done

[stable storm]

they have mind leech , armour leech, 3 random stats down every hit, double drop, almost only aoe moves, accuracy -4 on entry, ridicure 9, 80% dr if def sp def or atk is up

[stable storm]

someone did a triple Steven clear earlier btw

[orchid bridge]

Do Anni Steven clear but without the need of AS Steven

[fading walrus]

^

[stable storm]

Anni Steven+ ASS+S

[boreal abyss]

Amazing

[stable storm]

Do without ASS

[boreal abyss]

❣️

[stable storm]

to make it more special

[dim lance]

chances are if you have steven and something reasonable you can make it work, but yeah, everyone is playing stevne atm

[boreal abyss]

Without ass who can lower both defenses aoe?

Just a lil brainstorming together

[fading walrus]

Sp def drops aren't very plentiful

[boreal abyss]

Cuz I am so washed atm

[stable storm]

mid is the only one who wants sp def down

[fading walrus]

So mg2 on and AoE spammer is fine

On average

[stable storm]

def is the universal one and sides need attack down as well

[orchid bridge]

lenora lol

[slow sky]

there are some that can debuff both but they are susceptible to the accuracy debuffs

[boreal abyss]

Lenora hahaha

[fading walrus]

Ideally priority in debuffing is
Def > spa > atk

[boreal abyss]

My 1/5 watchog

[slow sky]

NC Leaf as well

[boreal abyss]

We are so back

[stable storm]

mg2 should be fine even on non aoe spammer

[boreal abyss]

Oh NC leaf

God bless

Good one

[stable storm]

special attack?

[slate light]

ss brendan covers sp. def
nc blue handles both atk and sp atk, can lower def/sp. def two stages once on sync via grid
nc leaf ye

[fading walrus]

To not get too murked by sync

[boreal abyss]

Good

We go without arc units

[orchid bridge]

Actually have we seen people use NC Leaf clear yet? I am surprised we haven't seen more NC Leaf clear

[stable storm]

Leaf, AS and nc blue probably work

[slow sky]

probably need to slap acuity on her if you wanna use her

[lunar sedge]

i think there were attempts

but not sure abt clears

[stable storm]

I have seen 4 so far

clears

[fading walrus]

Yo actually

Nc leaf + dc tierno

[stable storm]

what stat down immunities does nc leaf have

what does dc tierno have for debuffs?

[fading walrus]

Mg9

Thats it

[orchid bridge]

Can't wait for a team debuff immunity support next year so everyone can bully Latias

[slow sky]

attack, sp attk

unfortunate as it is, she doesnt have sunny disposition ☠️

[stable storm]

I am talking about protection from being debuffed

[fading walrus]

Headstrong + dauntless

Tierno has Sunny disposition

[stable storm]

dc tierno?nice

oh

[fading walrus]

Leaf has this

[stable storm]

so only defense leeching is a worry

can enemy buff faster than nc leaf debuff

[fading walrus]

Is there no Sunny disposition but for Rain?

Because doglo has impervious

Also, One day I'll have 10/5 regigigas and come back to morgan and destroy her

One day

[silver spruce]

Well that was easy

[stable storm]

Make it today

[fading walrus]

Nah

I'm keeping my poma investments around 10-12€ per year

[stable storm]

I cannot wait for Lear 10/5

ah fair

I will instantly 10/5 Lear the moment he gets 10/5.

[fading walrus]

15€ when i feel generous

I'm saving my 10/5 for yancy

[stable storm]

we need more idols yeh

[chilly dawn]

Part of me is tempted to see if you can get Impervious on a lucky skill and just take Pal Marnie or someone

[boreal abyss]

Ok for now I cleared it for the gems

I need to find a third with impervious

That can do many things hahaha

😂

Draco meteor gaming was very fun

My arc steven is 1/5, I went double support and Anni Steven

So this is my starting base point to try and take metagross away and pull smth original

I need a hand because I am super washed

[dim lance]

lmao

"Morgan will change some of the full clear meta staples, right?"

tosakinto:

nope

[boreal abyss]

Milo hahaha

[chilly dawn]

I hate this

[dim lance]

@warm haven Milo things

[boreal abyss]

What a legend

[chilly dawn]

I feel like I should be able to do this

But it just isn't working

The damage isn't there

[stone scarab]

Who are ya trying with?

[chilly dawn]

Double solga and arc steven

[stone scarab]

[chilly dawn]

There's videos of it so it's clearly doable

But the damage just isn't there

[snow spruce]

Morgan countering there is more on Avery than on Milo, no?
but Stalwart + Unbending does help

[olive scroll]

Can that team do all UBs tho? They should

[boreal abyss]

So remind me smth

Mid has the defense damage reduction

[olive scroll]

Leon covers status and is much stronger than Cheren

[boreal abyss]

Sides atk right?

[stone scarab]

sides are atk and def, mid is def and spdef

[boreal abyss]

Meh I thought I found smth so stupid yet so funny

So close to gamble with SC Barry

Unlucky

[chilly dawn]

Oh duh no wonder it's going shit

Arc steven still has fucking antitoxin from rally

[dim lance]

ik, milo should not be acrediting for the solo carry more so responding better with conditionals

acredited*

[warm haven]

all ubs soon

[rotund oasis]

i just cleared it with Kanto Rats and SS Lear.

[olive scroll]

Do you think that team can, I'm not sure if I miss any condition

[rotund oasis]

i basically just copied one of the Successful Teams in there and used the team, but used my own SS Lear with Sync Burst

[covert marlin]

I saw VKris clear
and SST Red's max move terrain before Morgan drops accuracy

was genius

[warm haven]

they cover everything we just gotta see if they have the damage

Having Full circle is a great help

[snow spruce]

Tosakinto used A-Raihan instead of Avery on the Milo Nemona clear
probably because of Raihans trap which is negative status change after Nemonas sync wipes the rebuffs.

• sun

Avery mostly counters her terrain, but Milo already covers that

[stable storm]

for milo avery hard counters morgan's debuffs right?

[rotund oasis]

wait what.

[paper mural]

It seems 10/5 Milo indeed has the potential to be a universal tank for 1 team clear all ubs but lack a better striker that synergy with the kit.

[snow spruce]

but overall 10/5 Milo + Avery seems like it could be on par with NC blue + Avery in terms of gimmick counters
It mostly lacks blues AoE atk/spatk debuffs

[olive scroll]

Lack status too, but Leon solves that

[stable storm]

oh right that's a thing

[covert marlin]

apparently you can use max move and the animation time will let terrain set up before entry passive

[snow spruce]

AS Cynthia is that striker, she makes use of all his PMUNs and brings her own WZT
and trap for the extra negative status change

[stable storm]

milo has status

[rotund oasis]

oh yeah i did that too, but with ss lear xD

• sst red anyways

[paper mural]

No. The acc debuff is on entry. SST Red's max count as the turn after entry so it cant protect acc drop. It's lucky skill Acuity.

[warm haven]

milo has 2 status

That if theyre unreliable, statusless clears arent a new thing

[olive scroll]

Yeah true

[chilly dawn]

Ok so this is approaching doable

I might need to find some room for potion tiles

Or to find more damage

[earnest panther]

"Wow this UB is easy"
The team: All impervious mons.

play it without impervious cowards

[chilly dawn]

This UB is not fucking easy

Maybe for a UB, but I'm throwing triple impervious at it and losing on damage

[earnest panther]

What's the team?

[snow spruce]

I dont think its easy, its in the top 3-4 annoying UBs

[earnest panther]

This UB would be absolute hell in rally

Even apple cup wouldn't help

[paper mural]

Milo + Anni Raihan seems a fun core but sadly the hardest ub utilize sandstorm.

[covert marlin]

thanks, so another acuity stage

[stone scarab]

it's an annoying fight for sure

[earnest panther]

Not just acuity.

And drops to your stats will buff Morgan's damage, and you also need to lower their defenses or else you're doing 90% less damage

[stone scarab]

accuracy is the most important drop to be immune to though, if you're relying on a conditional stat drop immunity then you still need to be immune to the accuracy drops on entry

[exotic dome]

Why put metagross away

Double it

[boreal abyss]

Give me the candies hahahah

But awesome

Awesome stuff

Another UB for Mr Anni Steven

Now we wait for the next iteration

[snow spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIpN2-lEXy0
Morgan lost to VOLO
confirmed trash UB, Lucy tier

[paper mural]

Finally see someone with both SS Mina and VCalem try this!

[chilly dawn]

I'm still trying double lion megarcgross but...

The damage gets iffy

I feel like I should be syncing with arc over the lions

[earnest panther]

You should

[chilly dawn]

The damage is absent on syncs

Maybe one lillie for the field but

[earnest panther]

The fact you aren't using a support sync explains a lot

[chilly dawn]

I was

He got first sync

Lillie second

Then mc

[earnest panther]

Don't use MC Syncs

[chilly dawn]

But MC syncs are flopping

[earnest panther]

Focus on anni lillie syncs and have MC dps sides

[chilly dawn]

MC is needed to dps middle

[short gate]

Any clears with ss serena 3/5 exr, arc steven 1/5 exr and something easy to get?

[chilly dawn]

Anni lillie syncs for piss all though

And she only sets zone once

[earnest panther]

Twice*

[chilly dawn]

Once with sync

[short gate]

someone didn’t exr her lillie

[earnest panther]

And once with b move

[chilly dawn]

There's no value in having lillie sync more than once

[paper mural]

I've only see Zerena with SS Lear.

[earnest panther]

She literally does more damage than mc what

[paper mural]

Bad mf (X)

[short gate]

Sad

[earnest panther]

Metallic surge 5 is right there

[chilly dawn]

It's still bugger all

[short gate]

Old mf*

she’s not bad at all for her age

[chilly dawn]

She syncs like a wet noodle

[exotic dome]

Just got a bad crit on og steven but it was kinda easy

[fringe stratus]

i thought nc nate+ pal mallow would've been enough for my run

I need a more aggressive defense debuffer with imperv

[earnest panther]

Because steel zone won't be up. If it is up, then her sync will handle the main pokemon

And she has two uses.

[boreal abyss]

Swap the stevens the results doesn't change

How to explain math to newbies with an UB

[paper mural]

With cake tho. Did you cake Lillie?

[chilly dawn]

She has zone up bc field exr sets zone before sync

[exotic dome]

Well wait I’m not going for summer Steven

[chilly dawn]

Yes

[boreal abyss]

Hahahaha

No summer Steven clear?

[exotic dome]

I leave it to you

[chilly dawn]

It just flumps bc iirc she doesn't even get 4 digits on her sync

[earnest panther]

Yes. Save the B move. Field syncs apply damage to the sync before hand, do not use her B move until the field sync is almost up

[chilly dawn]

Ok so that just means I have no damage on sides and middle probably gets to sync twice

I barely avoid the second sync as is

[earnest panther]

That's literally what MC does to compensate

[chilly dawn]

MC is most of the damage to middle

[paper mural]

When can we get 5/5 or sa for seasonal? Summer Steven is in dire need of Hail on entry.

[chilly dawn]

Well, about half

[earnest panther]

Never

The only update they ever did was sync grids and that was that

[low coral]

You can do it with base Lear as well

[chilly dawn]

Ok yeah no

Lillie does nowhere near enough to solo middle

[river prawn]

I mean you have arc Steven and Morgan is flinchable

that is already a huge advantage

[chilly dawn]

Flinch doesn't stop syncs

And second sync still wipes bc this is a UB

[river prawn]

The point is, how does Morgan get to a 2nd sync at all

when you can flinch

[chilly dawn]

Because the sides need flinching too, resilience exists and steven is absurdly unreliable

And also lillie doesn't even proc the threshold after her second sync

[river prawn]

Calling arc Steven unreliable is a reach

[chilly dawn]

I mean, if it's not 100% it's unreliable.

And he has what, 40%

[river prawn]

60% of course

[paper mural]

60%. Iron Head + aggravation 1

[fringe stratus]

relying on nc rosa as support and not having blue/steven is so painful this UB

[chilly dawn]

Really? 60%?

It feels like 30%

[stone scarab]

30% base, 60% thanks to aggravation 1 grid tile

[chilly dawn]

It genuinely does not feel that high

I have that tile and everything

It just feels really unreliable

Like I'm trying to flinch out of some of the bulldozes and earthquakes and it's just not reliable

Plus Lillie just isn't hitting very hard

Like her main attack hits harder than her sync

[fast pendant]

That means they're likely not debuffed and reducing your sync dmg

[chilly dawn]

No, they are