has anyone been able to do the sygna suit mission for pasio subway 7 totally F2P?
#Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles
alpine quiver
north chasm
considering i can count on one hand the amount of non limited sygna suit units, probably not
olive hull
I can't win this! I had just about enough
snow spruce
NC Blue + Arc Cynthia + Variety Hop seems pretty good for doing all UBs
Almost trivial even as long as blue doesnt die
Hops TM gives an ally 3 PMUN and 4 SyMUN and has 30% refresh
and 3-4 physical circles
snow spruce
First time ever I'm gonna grid for AS Cynthias sand fortress tile
stable storm
latias is not steel weak
paper mural
Oh it's Latias... Dragon?
Only saw Morgan's name and for some reason I mistook her as Dana so assume it's Regiice lol.
alpine quiver
considering i can count on one hand the amount of non limited sygna suit units, ...
It's the last mission I need before I can beat all of them F2P
it's so brutal 😭
alpine quiver
Damn it
tepid heath
is there a support unit to prevent bind/paralyze or cure it or something?
i do have ac cynthia that should steamroll but i wanna clear the missions too
calm sand
I honestly would recommend Leaf with Escape Artist Lucky Skill, and gridded with Friend Mend 9
(she fulfills for Kanto + MC)
alpine quiver
for Johto, Lodge Jasmine works well
calm sand
also, try to keep Leaf Paralysed so the Burn won't activate for the team
paper mural
The cheapest is Melony with Escape Artist LS.
Melony use her guard move can protect team from status and when she tank no trap on teammates.
stable storm
the best is bertha imo
paper mural
Premiums like SS Lear with his passive also works, or 3/5 Arc Steven with the same ls.
stable storm
any latias details yet
tepid heath
I honestly would recommend Leaf with Escape Artist Lucky Skill, and gridded with...
what is this friend mend? i can't find it
calm sand
almost top left corner
Lodge Leaf with Lithe Lucky Skill also works for the Kanto + Main Character mission
craggy wind
where the Morgan intel
tepid heath
is that the build you used? can i fully see? XD
paper mural
I don't think bug is notable for prevent debuffing so I bet it's dragon.
They have Impervious on both MFs.
calm sand
wait, did Dragon not have a UB before
lunar sedge
Oh Kantrio EBE is coming back
tepid heath
I honestly would recommend Leaf with Escape Artist Lucky Skill, and gridded with...
she got nuked on first sync :/
paper mural
wait, did Dragon not have a UB before
No. No Dragon, Bug, Ghost and Steel yet.
final yacht
Oh Kantrio EBE is coming back
Kantrio is coming back too
So that's nice
NC Kantrio that is, idc about SS Kantrio lol
calm sand
I honestly wished the SS Kantrio was the Candy Tiered banner like the OG Champs got
stable storm
they created fodder for steel
paper mural
What about Steel UB be status spam like the current twins fight to sell SS Lear?
calm sand
I could see Steel UB being debuff spam
considering the amount of Steel pairs with Impervious
stable storm
Steel ub will have aoe every status and interference and stat drop including crit
with a ton of hp
stable storm
Steel ub will have aoe every status and interference and stat drop including cri...
all of this will be spammed
lunar sedge
wait lmao 5/5 ASS just shuts down the entire fight
stable storm
wait lmao 5/5 ASS just shuts down the entire fight
*4/5
calm sand
Steel ub will have aoe every status and interference and stat drop including cri...
that honestly sounds likely for the Steel UB
stable storm
Lear shuts down the stat drop gimmick
calm sand
there's no way a Steel-Weak UB will not have a stat drop gimmick
stable storm
I just noticed Poppy has Impervious on base
almost all steels do
you mean will not?
calm sand
yep 🙃
stable storm
latias is almost certainly dragon weak
I think bt Leon and nc nate are her intended counters?
paper mural
It make me wonder what Ingo & Emmet will really use and weak to.
fading walrus
Ciris also works
tame canyon
By the skin of my teeth
fading walrus
It make me wonder what Ingo & Emmet will really use and weak to.
Challenge The Strong Lv.2 water weak
stable storm
Ciris also works
she doesn't exist
tepid heath
i seriously don't know what to do to beat the subway, holy shit
do we have to trap them to make this work?
calm sand
yes
you have to Trap them first
their Defenses are tripled when they don't have an Interference
also try to recover Leaf's status before Emmet's sync's
fading walrus
she doesn't exist
Weird, what's this then
stable storm
a blank image
fading walrus
a blank image
Should go check your eyesight man, all that staring into gholdengo is hurting your eyes
stable storm
worth it
tepid heath
also try to recover Leaf's status before Emmet's sync's
how?
stable storm
So debuff special defense, attack and defense?
calm sand
how?
use Leaf's Potion on herself (but not when she has full-HP because Friend Mend 9 not work otherwise)
I could record a video for reference to you
tepid heath
ah, i'll have to try
but how the hell can i clear these missons 🤔
if only i had ss lear, fml
calm sand
SS Giovanni can fullfill the last 3 missions even at 1/5
if you don't have him... uhh... try search your roster a bit
Courtney can for sure fullfill the Villain requirement
tepid heath
and honestly, why did they allow the enemy to heal, they are already bulky
calm sand
idk
tepid heath
SS Giovanni can fullfill the last 3 missions even at 1/5
nidoking? i have him
but can he trap?
tepid heath
actually, you're right
calm sand
(which I think you have)
calm sand
Sand Tomb
tepid heath
wot
call me r bc i missed that
i slothed in bertha to fix that issue 😂
🤷♂️
i'll try to finish with arc cynthia and see what i can do with ss gio
snow spruce
Weakness: Dragon
First-Time Rewards:
- Item1: 💎 Gems(x300)
Type Story : Challenge The Strong
Battle Detail: Battle 1
Watch out for these!
Focus 1: Accuracy Down
Focus 2: Attack Down
Focus 3: Sp. Atk Down
NPC Middle 1-1: 539000 HP (Morgan - Latias (Female))
3648 Attack
83 Defense
3648 Sp. Atk
83 Sp. Def
67 Speed
NPC Right 2-1: 250250 HP (Ace Trainer - Haxorus (Female))
3264 Attack
83 Defense
3264 Sp. Atk
83 Sp. Def
204 Speed
NPC Left 3-1: 250250 HP (Beauty - Garchomp (Female))
3264 Attack
83 Defense
3264 Sp. Atk
83 Sp. Def
204 Speed
stable storm
Weakness: Dragon
First-Time Rewards:
- Item1: 💎 Gems(x300)
Type Story : Ch...
accuracy down lmao
snow spruce
Passive 7: Defense ↑: P-Move DR & S-Move DR 8
Passive 8: Sp. Def ↑: P-Move DR & S-Move DR 8
Passive 9: Opp Stat ↓: Moves ↑ 9
Passive 10: Opp Stat ↓: S-Moves ↑ 9
stable storm
@snow spruce can you send the full details pls
low coral
Passive 19: Hit: 3× Stat ↓ 9
snow spruce
click the link 
snow spruce
thank god AS Cynthia has sand fortress
low coral
Passive 7: Defense ↑: P-Move DR & S-Move DR 8
Passive 8: Sp. Def ↑: ...
Also, that's DR, weird
stable storm
they don't work
low coral
Bypassable by Pblows
calm sand
stable storm
pastebin doesn't work for me
calm sand
it's F.Shauntal's passive
tepid heath
@calm sand woot, cleared with arc cynthia, bertha leaf. now to see how ss gio holds up XD
stable storm
can someone send all the passives pls
low coral
it's F.Shauntal's passive
It'll be quite annoying, since it's on moves like Icy Wind with Double Drop
calm sand
<@518368315752579085> woot, cleared with arc cynthia, bertha leaf. now to see ho...
replace Bertha with SS Giovanni, then you should clear it 
stable storm
How many endures
low coral
So you really want some kind of team Impervious
stable storm
530k is kinda low
calm sand
1 at 60%
calm sand
I do wonder which units this battle is made for
fading walrus
average hp
Not average hp
tepid heath
replace Bertha with SS Giovanni, then you should clear it <:CynthiaSmug:60161448...
you sure? 2x dps? well, if you say so, i'll try XD
stable storm
time for double Lear lmao
fading walrus
It's low
calm sand
it seems to be AS Lance + BT Leon duo
stable storm
Does absorption require attack to drop
paper mural
Yes BT Leon > dragon masters purely for that atk drop lol.
stable storm
it seems to be AS Lance + BT Leon duo
Nate would be better because of impervious tho right?
fading walrus
Damn you JP developers
calm sand
Nate would be better because of impervious tho right?
could be
stable storm
so steel eats this one alive?
calm sand
I do know BT Leon has Impervious
low coral
Dragon Masters are gonna be fine
calm sand
I won't be surprised if it does
stable storm
I assume all previous all ub clear comps eat this one alive
snow spruce
giving NC blue Mind Games 2 for this seems ok, if he is your only spdef dropper
low coral
Nate can reset stats or grid Impervious, Zerena has Piercing Gaze + Impervious
stable storm
how much does the enemy buff anyways
fading walrus
Zerena with mg2 + 1/5 bt Leon might be fun to run
stable storm
wait, enemy mons have gender?
fading walrus
540k should be ez
calm sand
it does have Guarded Entry 1 on center and Fierce + Sentry Entry 1 on sides
yes
all of them can leech stats
stable storm
pastebin still isn't working for me
calm sand
679K HP
stable storm
730 iirc
fading walrus
Whew thought more
stable storm
it does have Guarded Entry 1 on center and Fierce + Sentry Entry 1 on sides
Lear will be even better here
low coral
pastebin still isn't working for me
There
calm sand
So 20% more hp than Morgan
around 25% more even
calm sand
it's about same as Nita
calm sand
I think Special attack buff when syncing
I remember Variety Lucas having that on grid
oh, it's special defense buff when syncing
stable storm
SS Lear shreds this
fading walrus
But damn missing moves with your supports is NOT something you wanna do
stable storm
base Lear as well
fading walrus
stable storm
I will try to do a lear duo
stable storm
But damn missing moves with your supports is NOT something you wanna do
simply don't miss?
this ub looks kinda weak ngl
stable storm
simply don't get fucked by rng
fading walrus
You don't get to decide that
I will get crit burnt by heat wave by Anabel 11 tries in a row, thank you
stable storm
smth, get luckier
calm sand
knowing my luck it will always be Accuracy debuffs
stable storm
dedazzle means you will be acc dropped constantly anyways
the aoe spam does look annoying
calm sand
like how everytime I encounter an Fortuitous stage, they somehow buff Evasion
rotund oasis
wait so, Morgan wants to debuff you like mad? o.o
Icy Wind
ew.
okay they have Ridicure, that's going to be tough.
stable storm
Oh wait this could be also fun to fairy clear ig
ss glad gonna uno reverse the enemy
tepid heath
replace Bertha with SS Giovanni, then you should clear it <:CynthiaSmug:60161448...
that was tight af. only arc cynthia lived XD
rotund oasis
539k though ;/
arctic mist
SS. Lyra Traps, Flinches and Confuses with Hassling Hit 9. That's why I used them as my second unit. I was still doing poorly...
rotund oasis
wow so you actually need impervious units.
stable storm
wow so you actually need impervious units.
or someone like base or SS Lear
calm sand
granted, Dragon does have a good amount of Piercing Gaze pairs
snow spruce
Base Lear wont protect you from all the debuffs
rotund oasis
since its Dragon Weak, SS Serena would be... nice.
stable storm
he does
stable storm
he has stat drop nulification on a refreshable tm
stable storm
he also counters the stat buffs and since everyone has entry passives he can chain buff blocks
fading walrus
That duo is going to the moon
snow spruce
he has stat drop nulification on a refreshable tm
Oh right. But you need it the entire fight, thats a loot of TM refreshes
stable storm
because of team hail sync up 3
Wouldn't it be lottttttttt?
anyways the ub isn't that fat
stable storm
you only need 2-3
final yacht
Lemme update the doc then to make that more readable
stable storm
@final yacht get to work
fading walrus
you only need 2-3
2 mprs seems minimum needed
3 is likely a guaranteed win
Because that field effect is pretty short
snow spruce
Y'all seen Avery's SA
Its more terrain. I kinda wanted something to make his B-move usable a second time
fading walrus
I wouldn't say base lear counters it
stable storm
snatch
fading walrus
Ok and
stable storm
with buff block
fading walrus
fading walrus
It's still not countering the debuffs without insane mpr fishing
stable storm
do sides have the dr passive btw
stable storm
It's still not countering the debuffs without insane mpr fishing
you are talking to the guy who loves rng
rotund oasis
zerena has to sync as much as possible then lol
oh wait, NC Nate also. wut the.
i'm not going to 3/5 him for this :<
stable storm
Rei simp loves ball guy
fading walrus
I know but I really doubt he can get use here
rotund oasis
they do have ridicure 9 though sucks :<
fading walrus
Do the enemies have evasiveness up
5 stats
stable storm
imagine if they buffed endure
fading walrus
So...no
stable storm
*buffed eva on endure
fading walrus
Atks, Defs, speed
stable storm
would have been hilarious
fading walrus
Eva + ACC drops is absolutely cringe
stable storm
what do the enemies get when attack is up
stable storm
the tips mentioned attack but I see nothing for attack
fading walrus
Stat up for them = DR
Stat down for us = 90% more DPS & sync
stable storm
oh sweet
stable storm
The one ub that wants defense drops has it's defensive stuff tied to dr
stable storm
ice wrecks
stable storm
I am not going Lear solo
since I don't have Avery
Lear duo will bring out the power of both lears
let me cook up something
rotund oasis
this... might be a very bad idea.
stable storm
do I use 3/5 rosa or 3/5 Elaine as support
fading walrus
this... might be a very bad idea.
Yeah i was cooking this myself
Geeta + SS Roxie might do it
rotund oasis
hum yeah i think geeta should be able to do it
i will not candy NC Nate for this :<
stable storm
final yacht
It's the 3rd UB that can be piercing blow'd 
rotund oasis
will probably still need impervious or ss steven passive.
stable storm
It's the 3rd UB that can be piercing blow'd <:MinaSmile:740065857283162182>
who were the first 2
final yacht
anabel and evelyn since they got fluid fort
rotund oasis
yo dena, can you send Impervious on a Lucky Cookie? ;-; pretty please?
true lagoon
yo dena, can you send Impervious on a Lucky Cookie? ;-; pretty please?
granted
stable storm
this UB looks easy af
lunar sedge
christ i just need to do MC theme skill on the subway battle now 
true lagoon
sina
low coral
Anabel and Evelyn aren't very worth to PB, tbf
final yacht
anyway this UB looks absolutely atrocious and awful and whatever whatever so have fun yall
low coral
Evelyn can kinda be, but Anabel rarely
stable storm
https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=010102064800&s0=5&l0=150&r0=6&p0=0&a0=21010...
Yes, the move levels are accurate
low coral
But this one sounds worth it
stable storm
ice clears this without much issue I assume?
final yacht
you need to consistently debuff her defenses
warm haven
ice clears this without much issue I assume?
Ice can't debuff atk so at least easy won't be
true lagoon
you need to consistently debuff her defenses
oh so it gets foddered by sst
stable storm
Do the sides have attack up move up 9
final yacht
and kill haxorus ASAP because once it uses guard spec... 
true lagoon
unless theres status immunity
true lagoon
and kill haxorus ASAP because once it uses guard spec... <:BrycenOTL:11218591832...
oh ew
you cant defog that right
stable storm
oh so it gets foddered by sst
You just need to be wary of stat drops and not miss
final yacht
Do the sides have attack up move up 9
attack up dr 8
stable storm
and kill haxorus ASAP because once it uses guard spec... <:BrycenOTL:11218591832...
what happens with guard spec
stable storm
attack up dr 8
red has p blows iirc
true lagoon
he does
final yacht
true
true lagoon
but guard spec would complicate things
rain sorrel
Dang why doesn't Lenora have Accuracy drop immunity???
stable storm
stat drop immunity
after Lear they won't be able to raise stats in the first place lol
final yacht
it looks like sst red food yeah
final yacht
with 4/5 steven sure
snow spruce
red has p blows iirc
not on sync
final yacht
oh yeah true
stable storm
the sides are 250k right?
final yacht
250250
stable storm
can't red dps through that
low coral
It looks vulnerable to stuns
final yacht
it is
true lagoon
can't red dps through that
he can yes
final yacht
but condition null extension 5 
stable storm
it can be stunned once as well
rain sorrel
LOL everyone in Steel is straight up immune to stat drops
true lagoon
whats the weakness for this
stable storm
dragon
rain sorrel
Doragon
true lagoon
hm
final yacht
it's made for bt leon i think
stable storm
doragon
true lagoon
probably was meant for alt leon
final yacht
and arc lance
true lagoon
but yeah sst kills it basically
stable storm
does ASL have stat drop immunity
true lagoon
it's made for bt leon i think
which is funny cuz he has pb as a passive
stable storm
but yeah sst kills it basically
does he have stat drop immunity
paper mural
Ghost and bug are most likely wont have super hard ub.
Steel team looks kinda safe in the rest ubs if they dont repeat types.
low coral
No, Lance doesn't have stat drop protection
true lagoon
does he have stat drop immunity
uh
no
i mean worst case scenario you can run headstrong ls
stable storm
enemy will spam aoe moves and drop attack by 2 if hit
low coral
But he does have Piercing Gaze, so at least that he doesn't worry about
true lagoon
if you’re that concerned about it
stable storm
so only worry is random stat drops
low coral
Yeah, Red has both Piercing Gaze and AoE accuracy buffs
fading walrus
yo dena, can you send Impervious on a Lucky Cookie? ;-; pretty please?
Wdym we already got it
on N & Zekrom
true lagoon
also sina
for some reason
even though she shoudlnt be getting hit in the first place
stable storm
The Lears counter this luckily
low coral
N does sound pretty good for this, hadn't Electric already pretty much counter this by default
stable storm
even though she shoudlnt be getting hit in the first place
they drop stats on being attacked
stable storm
I assume standard poison does this?
low coral
Gladion's gonna go wild
stable storm
iirc ss mina has fz team imperv tile
low coral
Reflecting the debuffs
crude drumBOT
stable storm
ss glad is gonna make the enemies debuff themselves
true lagoon
erm
stable storm
doesn't ss Mina have stat drop reset
fading walrus
iirc ss mina has fz team imperv tile
Vcalem also
stable storm
poison doesn't care about attack drop anyways
true lagoon
doesn't ss Mina have stat drop reset
well yes but thats not full on immunity
stable storm
I wonder what monstrosity they will cook up for steel weak ub
fading walrus
I wonder what monstrosity they will cook up for steel weak ub
Lucy 2.0
stable storm
well yes but thats not full on immunity
fair
stable storm
No fire type is steel weak
steel weak ub will be dana regice imo
with constant debuff and status and interference spam aoe
fading walrus
No fire type is steel weak
Fire isn't the only type that burns
stable storm
what other type burns
true lagoon
fire types literally resist steel
stable storm
that's steel weak
true lagoon
Fire isn't the only type that burns
only other type that burns is water and they also resist steel so like
final yacht
weezing the famous ghost or psychic
true lagoon
honestly none of those are ub material
fading walrus
Anyway, it's technically an option albeit extremely niche and based on a meme made on the fact people expecting a type to be stronger or weaker is kinda stupid imo
stable storm
I think ub strength will at least be somewhat based on type strength
fading walrus
Poison wasn't remotely as hard as it could've
Same for ground, fairy or flying
At least imo
So it's not really a metric I'd use to expect stages
Especially after Noland
Being a unique gimmicky rebus over a straight up beefed EBE
stable storm
Anabel and nita tho
fading walrus
Anabel isn't that bad
stable storm
Leon as well
fading walrus
He is
true lagoon
Anabel is easy to check but still a massive pain cuz she still has the most hp of any ub
fading walrus
We already had this convo many times
true lagoon
960k something
stable storm
fair but the harder ubs are generally the stronger types
fading walrus
Yeah, but there's degrees
Leon is harsh but you can go around him
Palmer is just a roster check
You either have a type with ton of investment or 2 good fighting types
fading walrus
Or the latest 2-3 top crop monsters to synergize
stable storm
Yes but he doesn't feel as specific
true lagoon
i dont have zone i dont have rebuffs palmer is just impossible rn
stable storm
mfw the only 1/5 rei clear uses ss lear
I am sure Bianca chop 1/5 rei could do palmer
fading walrus
mfw the only 1/5 rei clear uses ss lear
I did 1/5 Rei but you need either chop or NC Rosa so,
stable storm
or ss Lear
true lagoon
none
stable storm
ss Lear was 5/5
fading walrus
So yeah 3/5
fading walrus
Then you need a 3/5 investment on a specific 1% anyway
So yea
Another example of Palmer being worse than most UBs
Through sheer time restraint
stable storm
he doesn't feel as specific since anything that does very big damage is enough
Leon and Anabel demand specific units
fading walrus
Yeah but that tier of big damage at that tier of pace requires massive investment
Which no other stage requires
true lagoon
does geeta + oleana work for palmer
fading walrus
So you're candying for 300 gems
true lagoon
like just nuke twice with oleana and it should be fine right
fading walrus
does geeta + oleana work for palmer
Uhhhhh unsure, depends on the third
stable storm
does every UB have a low investment clear
stable storm
do you have a second good poison dps
true lagoon
like
stable storm
like ss Roxie
fading walrus
does every UB have a low investment clear
No, Nita doesn't
Neither does Leon ig?
stable storm
or even emma
true lagoon
like ss Roxie
then no
stable storm
No, Nita doesn't
Neither does Leon ig?
what about anabel
true lagoon
emma is uninvested
true lagoon
nope
fading walrus
what about anabel
Well kinda
stable storm
do you have broken gear
stable storm
what's your strongest damage dealer
fading walrus
Ok actually
snow spruce
hmm Arc Duo should be able to duo Morgan, right ?
fading walrus
Anabel has a may 1/5 NC Serena 1/5 ssMina clear
That's low investment to me
true lagoon
what's your strongest damage dealer
would be arc cyn but shes uninvested rn
stable storm
hmm Arc Duo should be able to duo Morgan, right ?
ASC has sand foretress right?
stable storm
probably
stable storm
Meanwhile Palmer's cheapest run is 1/5 aura Cyn 3/5 Rei + riley
still wayyyy more clears have palmer clears iird
*iirc
fading walrus
Yeah no shit
Because you just need a roster check
Which is what I've been saying
You just need 2-3 top crop synergetic units
stable storm
imo amount of clears is a better measurement of how difficult the ub is
fading walrus
imo amount of clears is a better measurement of how difficult the ub is
This reasoning falls flat when you account how antigimmicking works
Not as many units can do antigimmicking to certain degree in some specific aspects of fights, and hp pools matter
stable storm
gimmicks are part of the difficulty
paper mural
would be arc cyn but shes uninvested rn
Just wait until you have enough resource to 3/5 her.
I mean there's no punishment if you don't clear some ubs.
stable storm
I think fights having very less oppressive gimmicks or the easiest to counter gimmicks are easier
fading walrus
It's not like I have multiple clears I haven't submitted
But I can't be arsed to record
Or it's not like there's only so many variables that can be solo carried or duo carried into a multitude of clears
stable storm
I get your reasoning but my metrics are completely different
stable storm
Noland has a bunch of clears that are posted on places not on the doc iirc
fading walrus
Same goes for anabel
I sure as hell haven't posted 5/6 of my day one Anabel clears
stable storm
I haven't seen that many so I can't say that
fading walrus
I only posted the ncleaf one
stable storm
Noland is also much easier to gimmick check
stable storm
Noland is also much easier to gimmick check
my metric is how oppressive the gimmick is and how easy it is to check
Noland is easy to check
fading walrus
The fact you think "550k hp dead by first sync, +1 with bellelba, huge investment Anabel or ssmina" is easy for most people is enough for me to just go do something more productive rn because we already had this convo at least 3 times
So yea toodles
stable storm
fair, might also be because I genuinely haven't seen anyone else say Anabel is lower difficulty than palmer so I am not used to that take
uncut drum
Anabel is not lower than Palmer
true lagoon
well both are still impossible for me so both are stupid
uncut drum
Poison wasn't remotely as hard as it could've
Same for ground, fairy or flying
Masked Royal is awful without constantly debuffing him and statusing him
He's easily one of the toughest ones so far
true lagoon
tbh yeah if you dont have geeta it sucks hard
uncut drum
Or Oleana
true lagoon
classic elesa is a kind of cope option
stable storm
ground was a case of releasing before the op unit released
uncut drum
You can manage without poison though
true lagoon
but she drops to second sync
true lagoon
You can manage without poison though
problem is the only other reliable statuser + debuffer is elesa
whos ice weak
stable storm
chase Lear rosa clear was fun but a bit painful
true lagoon
so she is likely to just die to second sync unless your gears are insane
snow spruce
The 2 hardest UBs for NC blue - AS Cynthia - Variety Hop might be Thorton and MR
while Nita and Nemona are relatively simple
uncut drum
Cynthia and Blue both being ice weak is an issue
Thorton is simpler, but Royal is bad for them
They might be able to do it with Arc Steven instead of NC Blue
Cause Cynthia and Hop still partially counters Leon
snow spruce
They might be able to do it with Arc Steven instead of NC Blue
the point is to use Blue since he is the only source of status there and allows for an all UB clear
we already have the ASSteven + Mix red version of Cynthia
and yeah MR is bad, but he was done with NC blue + ASC + classic elesa (triple ice weak), so this should work with good para rng
fading walrus
Masked Royal is awful without constantly debuffing him and statusing him
Oleana, SS roxie & Geeta 1/5 already shut down most of his gimmick alongside janine
Without need to invest if you have a good enough support
fading walrus
ground was a case of releasing before the op unit released
No way ground gets 290k hp and rock gets 700+k hp cmon
rigid pivot
So who’s this battle made for? Zerena? But doesn’t it have icy wind?
snow spruce
So who’s this battle made for? Zerena? But doesn’t it have icy wind?
for Arc steven and SS lear
rigid pivot
Also I KNEW i was cooking picking BT leon from the select scout
rigid pivot
for Arc steven and SS lear <:SophoKEK:681916549812060200>
🤡
rigid pivot
Well I’ve been using serena and she seems still very good
Btw she has both at base but doesn’t this battle spam icy wind?
fading walrus
She'll need 3/5 to contest in the Morgan fight
Not really spam
It's one of the many
rigid pivot
I just realized it’s complete forme and not form
rigid pivot
Also does the enemy like
fading walrus
So she should do fine
rigid pivot
Debuff on turn 1 or 2
fading walrus
On entry
rigid pivot
Because you have to speedrun to sync to get those passives
fading walrus
And onwards
rigid pivot
Oh hm
Then how would you counter the first few debuffs because Serena only gets imprevious at sync
fading walrus
Stagger, acuity or a temporary immunity
snow spruce
I'm not even sure what the 2 best Dragon pairs here are
since AS Lance doesnt have Impervious
its BT Leon + something
rigid pivot
Also is their sync a dragon sync? Or a psychic one? Will be bad to use dragon zone if it’s dragon
final yacht
I'm not even sure what the 2 best Dragon pairs here are
since AS Lance doesnt ha...
He got piercing gaze so it's fine
lunar sedge
final yacht
if you're scared about attack drops just spam hyper beam 
or run headstrong
snow spruce
Also is their sync a dragon sync? Or a psychic one? Will be bad to use dragon zo...
their sync is Psychic
lunar sedge
Filtered impervious
rigid pivot
Ah Alright
small basin
nate winning once again
rigid pivot
Well I have 1/5 bt leon I hope I don’t need like 4/5 or something
And idk if I can do it with 3/5 ss serena I have her but I’m worried about like post sync debuffs
Will screw it over if I can’t rush it
Also nc blue rerun I’m saved finally but I have to wait a whole month sad
lunar sedge
Good thing UBs are permanent
stable storm
No way ground gets 290k hp and rock gets 700+k hp cmon
wasn't rock better than ground at the time or was darach pre nc silver
low coral
Darach's pre-Silver
final yacht
Silver released around Palmer
fast pendant
but regardless the ubs aren't realted tied with the type strength
lunar sedge
And other misc offtype teams
stable storm
also darach is 700k?
final yacht
yeah (not for your doom for runner lol)
stable storm
He felt much frailer tbh
fast pendant
darach is like 589k
stable storm
but regardless the ubs aren't realted tied with the type strength
let's see if Steel is monstrously hard
fast pendant
a lot of types haven't been the best in their ubs due to the gimmick or how the stage is played
stable storm
morgan seems relatively tame for recent ubs
marble portal
so what do we think about Morgan
lunar sedge
Doesn't seem so bad
fading walrus
darach is like 589k
My b I keep saying he's 700k because I confuse him with another stage zzz
It's like the 5th time this happens
lunar sedge
It's Evelyn but debuff atk/def/spdef instead and ~10% less HP
fading walrus
My point still stand, rock had no reason to be 2x bulkier than ground
lunar sedge
Morgan I do believe debuff accuracy
fast pendant
it's a lot less than 10%
fading walrus
Morgan I do believe debuff accuracy
A lot
rotund oasis
SS Serena, not quite sure if i should run her though. Do they just drop -1 of the main stats?
fading walrus
It's like 20-25% less hp
fast pendant
over 120k difference
lunar sedge
Sheesh
fading walrus
But debuffs are insanely harsher here
fading walrus
SS Serena, not quite sure if i should run her though. Do they just drop -1 of th...
-2 ACC on start 🙂
rotund oasis
oh she debuffs accuracy, that's painful ;_;
fading walrus
So acuity or you're in deep shid
fading walrus
I mean…as long as you hit the first thousand waves you’re good after right?
? No?
marble portal
who’d be a good tank in this besides Steven
rotund oasis
all the other stats are nice, problem is ACC drop== even if she has piercing gaze, she'll still be subject to being pummeled by damage 😭
rigid pivot
She can’t miss after she syncs
fading walrus
who’d be a good tank in this besides Steven
NC blue ofc
marble portal
oh he can’t have stats dropped either?
fading walrus
ssMina with whimsical stability too
fading walrus
oh he can’t have stats dropped either?
Impervious on grid
marble portal
ah
lunar sedge
He has impervious on grid
marble portal
should’ve known
rigid pivot
Nc blue can do everythijg lmao
dusk notch
Morgan I do believe debuff accuracy
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rigid pivot
That’s why I’m so glad it’s rerunning
fading walrus
Geeta can also play well here
rotund oasis
She can’t miss after she syncs
the problem is, as long as SS Serena has negative stats, she'll take 90% more damage from Morgan ;<
fading walrus
Impervious+ debuffs
lunar sedge
Arc Lance and Alt Leon
snow spruce
Morgan is probably worse than Evelyn, because she debuffs you a lot more.
Annoying if you dont have triple Impervious. especially accuracy
rigid pivot
the problem is, as long as SS Serena has negative stats, she'll take 90% more da...
…oh
Lovely.
fading walrus
Morgan is probably worse than Evelyn, because she debuffs you a lot more.
Annoyi...
Yeah the bedazzle 2 pick was evil ngl
rotund oasis
Like Bedazzle is easy enough to deal with, just give her Aquity, and you can just buff the stuff she's missing.
lunar sedge
Also the anni steel team just kinda brutalized them lol
fading walrus
Because very few units without impervious can contest it
fast pendant
A lat of dragons do have Imp and PG
rotund oasis
Acquity? or something.
rigid pivot
So do you have to Lucky skill acuity for Serena?
fast pendant
no
fading walrus
Yeah, and stagger to sync
So she can't be dropped
Which is a lot to just counter the main gimmick
Lol
Then you have to debuff them
rigid pivot
Me rolling the 30% flinch on Steven 😭
rotund oasis
i'm actually going to be running uh
low coral
So do you have to Lucky skill acuity for Serena?
She's not gonna miss once she goes Complete
rigid pivot
Getting rng checked 😦
rigid pivot
She's not gonna miss once she goes Complete
Yeah but like the person said above you take like 100 more damage from getting debuffer at all
snow spruce
A lat of dragons do have Imp and PG
but not all. And a lot of them dont debuff, which you also need
Lance debuffs and has PG, but doesnt have Impervious
rotund oasis
She's not gonna miss once she goes Complete
shje'll be subject to aoe damage + sync if she has negative stats (-ACC for this case)
fast pendant
well yes it's never for a single yet
fading walrus
She's not gonna miss once she goes Complete
Yeah but she's gonna take 90% more because of entry debuffs if she doesnt run acuity
rotund oasis
you can buff everything else, but that -ACC is painful.
final yacht
-2 ACC on start 🙂
-4
stable storm
Yeah the bedazzle 2 pick was evil ngl
is it on hit or on entry
final yacht
-2 from both sides
snow spruce
what do the enemies actually debuff consistently ? all 5 stats?
final yacht
is it on hit or on entry
entry
rotund oasis
but yeah i'm gonna try to run SS Serena, Ball Guy (Impervious and stat removal) and NC Blue (Impervious and SP.ATK+ATK down)
final yacht
what do the enemies actually debuff consistently ? all 5 stats?
attack and def
and 3 stats at random each time
stable storm
-4 <:MinaSmile:740065857283162182>
don't the sides have double drop
wouldn't it be -8
final yacht
doesnt double drop only work on attack moves
fading walrus
Drop applies only to effect of moves
stable storm
or is double drop attack only
final yacht
yeah
final yacht
double drop doesnt work with iris' -7 stats on entry
fading walrus
-2 from both sides
Yeah it sucks
stable storm
does double drop work in the enemies hit 3 random stats down passive
fading walrus
No
fading walrus
It's just from attacks I'm pretty sure
final yacht
since it works with defense crush
rigid pivot
Ib4:
stable storm
this ub could have been very funny but they didn't wanna go that hard on the rng
final yacht
they really might be debuffing 10 stats per attack lmfao
rotund oasis
they really might be debuffing 10 stats per attack lmfao
man i'm pissed, i had an idea. Anni Steven.
rigid pivot
IF ANYONE GOT MEEEEEEE
rotund oasis
if they're going to drop your stats, might as well get buffed lmao.
fading walrus
this ub could have been very funny but they didn't wanna go that hard on the rng
Making UBs for 2-3 units would be much worse than anything else
low coral
they really might be debuffing 10 stats per attack lmfao
SS Gladion gang rise up
stable storm
yes but I like it when ubs are funny like palmer and Noland so I do not care about the suffering of others
rigid pivot
Fire team wirh leon might destory this too with like victini
rigid pivot
Vintini has downside up too
stable storm
ss glad doesn't double the drops right?
fading walrus
yes but I like it when ubs are funny like palmer and Noland so I do not care abo...
Noland is perfectly fine
stable storm
pretty sure fire has enough maintenance
fading walrus
Nobody found him annoying
stable storm
I don't mean hard or easy by funny
rigid pivot
I’m fine with Noland but I do not like doing Palmer that took me so much rng 😭
rigid pivot
I can’t even do that one with nc red
stable storm
oh that funny
fading walrus
To experiment on
stable storm
mine is just doing ridiculous magnitudes of something
so fissure piercing gaze piercing blows
fading walrus
Royale was extremely funny to me but offtyping him is still awful so I stay clear of that
stable storm
that kind of stuff
rotund oasis
man, i kinda wish Anni Steven gets his EXR on January.
fading walrus
But with Morgan the amount of restrictions might be excessive
So it could be extremely annoying
rotund oasis
his DPS is actually pretty solid.
rigid pivot
Lysandare ☠️
stable storm
So do we think double drop will work with the triple random stat drop
fading walrus
Lysandare ☠️
Awful SA sadly
fading walrus
So do we think double drop will work with the triple random stat drop
I personally don't think so
stable storm
Dc2 works with ciris so I think it will work with the passive
I have always wanted a debuff heavy ub
fading walrus
DC2 is a proc from a move
Native passive drops seem to be outranking double drop
But we'll see
rigid pivot
So I guess you just have to grid acuity on Serena and hope you can do enough dps?
fading walrus
Grid acuity
stable storm
DC2 is a proc from a move
what's the difference
fading walrus
Sync by turn 2/3
stable storm
ohhhh
rigid pivot
Wait not grid acuity
rotund oasis
ah wells
rigid pivot
I mean lucky skill
stable storm
are there any examples of double drop units with passives that drop stats other than the 2 drop lses
rotund oasis
i guess i'll wait for people's clears
rigid pivot
But idk how her dps will be for that
rotund oasis
she's got a lot of DPS options @rigid pivot tbh.
her sync isn't that good, but her DPS is nice.
rigid pivot
Well like her dps falls off because she has non extend range Aoe right?
rotund oasis
i suppose. still you are surrounded by another ex support
stable storm
killing sides won't be too bad and you should kill the sides quickly anyways
chomp has guard spex
*spec
rotund oasis
can you haze them or ball guy's stuff?
stable storm
can you haze them or ball guy's stuff?
yeh
covert marlin
new UB seems easy for Steelniversary team
stable storm
ASS/A!Lillie and who's the third again?
Ofc SS Lear
slate light
ya figured, just kind of... forgot about him for a second
stable storm
how dare you forget about Lear
slate light
look i had to pity ASC and SS Nemona back then, cut me some slack
fair fjord
Do these look fine for ingo and emmet? https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=009004037600&s0=1&l0=140&r0=6&p0=0&a0=17063000&t0=1111&x0=true&g0=AAECAwQFCgsMDQ4UFRYXGB4fICEiKCkqKyw&v1=025500013100&s1=5&l1=140&r1=6&p1=0&a1=17010901&t1=44444&g1=AAECAwQFBggaHB4hIiQmKSst&v2=015400045001&s2=3&l2=140&r2=6&p2=0&a2=13010602&t2=44444&g2=AAECAwQFBggKCw4QFRggLi8
lunar sedge
Finally
cloud badge
No doc for Ingo & Emmet battle?
Looking for teams
My Gioking is sadly 2/5 ex
Idk if the in game search finds all trap units since no ss Lyra here (who i have)
echo jetty
Is there a team with f2p units for challenge ingo and emmet
boreal abyss
An extreme battle dragon weak that debuffs you?
I am turning on the Anni Steven engine friends
It's time to bring him back winning
Draco meteor gaming and no one is ready for it
alpine quiver
Is there a team with f2p units for challenge ingo and emmet
So far, I've found a team for all but the Sygna Suit mission
slate light
Hm. If it's dragon weak I may have issues. Nothing to negate debuffs
small basin
nate has impervious on grid
slate light
oh. nvm then
echo jetty
So far, I've found a team for all but the Sygna Suit mission
Is there any team with bertha or courtney as main dps as I just want to finish the battle (I know the missions are impossible for me at this point)
alpine quiver
Is there any team with bertha or courtney as main dps as I just want to finish t...
Yes
In my team, I used Lodge Jasmine, Courtney as nuke, and Bertha
Give me a minute to share the grids
north chasm
yeah it screams alt leon
ss serena also has impervious
c nate too, on 3/5 grid though
final yacht
ss serena also has impervious
on 100% you're still getting some stats lowered
true lagoon
what how
final yacht
?
north chasm
yea she needs to sync first lol
snow spruce
but does alt leon debuff spdef ? guaranteed
I know he has atk, speed, def debuffs ?
final yacht
that's it
exotic dome
SSBrendan has the spdef
final yacht
just use mind games 5head
exotic dome
Or arc Lance + alt Iris
snow spruce
so SS brendan + BT leon cover it .. 3-rd is any dragon with Impervious
low coral
You already sync with Serena first pretty much always anyway
snow spruce
well you can sync with brendan, he has Sprint role IIRC. That would technically be more optimal
true lagoon
eh would it
serena desperately needs form change anyway and you still get support ex
final yacht
well you can sync with brendan, he has Sprint role IIRC. That would technically ...
but then you get more stats lowered
snow spruce
if not using Serena I mean. Otherwise her
true lagoon
so morgan seems on the easier end to most people right
she is susceptible to stuns the gimmick isnt overly difficult
low coral
I mean, the debuffing gimmick is very harsh
If you can't deal with it, it's a very bad time
Dealing being basically some form of immunity
true lagoon
is it like power play power loving type shit
low coral
Instant 90% if any stat is debuffed iirc
snow spruce
yeah its kinda hell without Impervious x2-3 or SS lear or any equivalent
marble portal
if I don’t have Zerena or an upgraded NC Nate then what
true lagoon
Instant 90% if any stat is debuffed iirc
oh
true lagoon
if I don’t have Zerena or an upgraded NC Nate then what
uh cry
marble portal
cuz I do have BT Leon and AS Steven
low coral
if I don’t have Zerena or an upgraded NC Nate then what
Alt Leon still works well
sonic bear
Finally did it 😭 this was hell
marble portal
yeah, just don’t have Leon upgraded
he’s been on the consideration list for ages tho
sonic bear
You guys can use sscynthia for second support and cover 3 missions
marble portal
techs I can play around with a bit esp since Gloria2 and CyruSS both got disappointing awakenings imo
low coral
If your Dragon is strong, the really big thing is that you don't wanna miss, most likely
You can probably live for some time with one or two debuffs
low coral
But -4 accuracy is harsh, you want some accuracy debuffing immunity or Piercing Gaze
marble portal
I could 4/5 him
true lagoon
to better enable burn multipliers or just the multipliers itself
since his nuke is just fine
marble portal
why 4/5 anyway
true lagoon
power play innate and 100% on grid
true lagoon
why 4/5 anyway
go viral
marble portal
so what, something like this?
true lagoon
so what, something like this?
for morgan that works
could also take soften up for other stuff besides that
low coral
so what, something like this?
Hit Burned Opp SE Up
true lagoon
probably lucian could work
marble portal
think someone said Latios?
low coral
It doesn't have to be a hyper specific dropper
true lagoon
think someone said Latios?
he probably works the best
-2 each LP and impervious on grid
marble portal
already got him 3/5
so that’s good
it’s just Leon that isn’t levelled that would be problematic
ofc ik I shouldn’t candy for UB but Leon has been in consideration for the last year
craggy wind
ss serena also has impervious
Mmm ok
craggy wind
Or arc Lance + alt Iris <:RoxanneThis:661024696346607635>
Ah ye its arc lance
alpine quiver
Shoot
snow spruce
Morgans Mind Leech 9 is gonna be annoying
alpine quiver
I seem to have found the strategy for completing the sygna suit mission F2P
I just need to get the right luck in one go 🫡
alpine quiver
Emmet seems to get rid of trap right after he uses his second Wild Charge, regardless of when I trap him :(
shrewd marten
What Evelyn. Doing there
calm sand
that's Morgan
shrewd marten
Girl
alpine quiver
NO
BERTHA GOT PARALYZED AND FORCED ME TO USE ONE MORE SAND TOMB
The constant status conditions and status changes are bad enough
WHY does this mf have boosted para odds, too? 😭
shrewd marten
Why not equip lithe
alpine quiver
Why not equip lithe
I tried
But, WW3 is kinda necessary here for Bertha's nuke
I can always try again and swap passives
solar stirrup
Reminder that arc cynthia is always a better nuker than Bertha
alpine quiver
Reminder that arc cynthia is always a better nuker than Bertha
Who would've thought? 😭
shrewd marten
Shocked pikachu face
solar stirrup
Who would've thought? 😭
Not me until I got convinced by common sense
alpine quiver
The only reason I'm having such an awful time is because I'm intentionally trying to do it and its missions F2P
As far as I know, no one has been able to do it
quick pewter
I am spending so many resources I do not want to spend today ✨
quick pewter
I love when Ingo murders me before first sync
quick pewter
Down to 25 😭
I'm sub 20 now
This is such a great! Well-designed! Battle! /s
I literally EX'd and gave my Courtney extra grid energy so she can do damage and she in fact does not do crap
fading walrus
You're definitely doing something wrong with that level of damage
quick pewter
Well I don't know what it is!
fading walrus
Is your first target immune to trap and burn/para?
quick pewter
For lucky Leaf has escape artist, Bertha has lithe which I should probably change tbh, Courtney has CS2
Leaf is basically spamming potions for the entire fight after first sync and all Bertha is here for is chip because she's dead to me and I'm broke anyway
alpine quiver
This is such a great! Well-designed! Battle! /s
Yay!
noble sapphire
I still don't now how I did my 1st clear.
quick pewter
Low-key debating switching out Courtney for lodge volo but I feel like he's not going to be able do crap because he doesn't have zone
fading walrus
Don't have status immunity cookie for bertha?
noble sapphire
Which involced Maxie of all people.
alpine quiver
When the clear was easy 🥹
quick pewter
Don't have status immunity cookie for bertha?
I don't have enough cookies to afford to roll the dice for a single battle
But the burn is hurting me more than the paralysis would, I think
noble sapphire
Oh right, I had Gholdengo on my team.
solar stirrup
What one would do for 100 gems
quick pewter
Oh right, I had Gholdengo on my team.
I tried SSLear at one point and it was not enough
I couldn't do enough damage before both circles wore off
noble sapphire
Yeah, I used SS-Lear, SSA-Cynthia, and Maxie for my initial clear.
All of them were 3/5.
Had Lear gridded in a way that:
- extended his Circle
- gained an MP after Sync
Basically try to prolong the immunity to status & interference as much as possible.
fading walrus
I don't have enough cookies to afford to roll the dice for a single battle
Guaranteed from 2 LGs
quick pewter
Guaranteed from 2 LGs
If I had one I would've used it
fading walrus
You didn't play in march yet?