Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

[noble sapphire]

Maybe Part 5 can be done with Irida?

Yeah, Part 4 feels like Adaman, Part 4 feels like Irida/Sina, and Part 6 feels like Dexio.

[river prawn]

I mean it is tied to running banners

So makes sense

[paper mural]

Its cool that they make a gimmick that requires Lum Barry's real effect (clean status).

[spiral summit]

Ty Eri

[fading walrus]

How fast did you get her

[spiral summit]

4 multi

[olive scroll]

It's big dps check. Even zone Cheren can't finish him before max move, so zoneless defo can't

Cynthia or NC Red don't need much setup for their sync

Even NC Leaf had issues before mix blue iirc, Palmer buffs too much

[warm haven]

Yeah palmer is a pain for a debuff based syncs

Trust the 10/5 avery with speed debuffs

Or idk how close that team was but i could be enough with avery's damage buff

[olive scroll]

15% left

[warm haven]

Then no matter the passives with 10/5 they will be able

[olive scroll]

Idk if I miss anything, but quite sure hail stops quad queue

So I can hardly use buff block to stop Palmer buffing either

[warm haven]

you have to time it right

extension also helps

[paper mural]

Some 11 clear team cheat Palmer with SS Mina's bmove so they survive the max move.

[olive scroll]

Yeah, otherwise Cheren can't finish him before max, even with zone

Cheren rebuff on entry when

[fading walrus]

Noice

[snow spruce]

Is there anyone besides skinny with an invested NC blue-AS Cynthia-Avery team?
maybe even 1/5 Avery is enough

[olive scroll]

I just wait for a husbando dps with her kit design

[snow spruce]

so essentially the way for 13/13 now is:
-Arc steven + Mix red + big dps with speed debuffs and weather
-NC blue + Avery + big dps with speed debuffs

speed debuffs are a must due to Nita

[warm haven]

If Avery gets sync burst nita could be more flexible

Because you can stop her from debuffing speed a longer time

[snow spruce]

but not the entire fight, she only need to get off 1 speed buff and GG

[final yacht]

Imagine using Eri for this

[paper mural]

Imagine Avery himself get speed debuff after awakening.

[warm haven]

Btw, somebody should try NC Blue + Lear + Avery

[fading walrus]

Topsy turvy on max move would be funny too

[warm haven]

That would be crazy

[fading walrus]

Let them buff then reverse and lock

Definitely would make him more funny and unique

Than he already is

[dim lance]

Its already been done on stuff like Leon no

[snow spruce]

I think he meant try doing 13/13 with that team
so try replacing NC cheren with OG Lear.
I think it would be worse

[olive scroll]

Can Blue, Avery, Lance do 12/13? They are only blocked by Nita, right?

Side control sucks tho

[olive scroll]

Interesting

[snow spruce]

I doubt that can do Nemona, the sides are as bad as she is and without AoE you dont kill them fast enough
so maybe 11/13 at most

[warm haven]

arc or base lance

[olive scroll]

Cheren is stronger for 3 targets aoe
But for 2 targets, I think Lance should be stronger, isn't he

Arc

[snow spruce]

base lance is not THAT good even at 10/5

[warm haven]

Nah you need strong AoE for palmer, noland and nemona

[warm haven]

and yeah i mean full UB clear, not sure if they're able to beat palmer and noland but the rest should be fine

[olive scroll]

Palmer can, for sure

Zoneless Cheren already get to 15% hp remaining

[paper mural]

And they still both havent get their awakening passive.

[warm haven]

Yeah, with the 10/5 many more PFs would clear most if not all UBs

I excited for SS Leon too

[paper mural]

Imagine one of them get "buff block field lasts 1.5x longer"

[olive scroll]

All field effects last l longer

Well that's abit similar to sync burst, so hope he gets that

[warm haven]

Extension on PT, Extension on No Stat Increase and sync burst please

[olive scroll]

Even 6/5 is exciting tbh, I believe in tank Avery

[warm haven]

he does have some good bulk

[robust lagoon]

Fuck this title, that's all

[distant estuary]

Why do I have a feeling that in a new update they will add more EBE to rally or something

[void elbow]

these EBEs hate me

I just want those submas titles........
But I'm a new player

[distant estuary]

Wait no, I mean UB lol

[void elbow]

Ik
But
I'm talking about how the part 3 ebe for the ebe submas event is killing me

[paper mural]

They want you to pull everything new or rerun

[fading walrus]

There's no EBEs in rally

[fading walrus]

Or just give units unflappable

[distant estuary]

Sorry yeah I know I meant UB

ultimate battle

[fading walrus]

Ahhh

Well likely so

They seem to not care much about going either

• batch in rally + 1 in month
• just drop a new one, add to rally later

So no way to tell

[noble sapphire]

I think we have a UB for every weakness except four of them rn.

[paper mural]

I think they'll update br every anni. Update it monthly sounds unlikely.

[noble sapphire]

• Bug
• Ghost
• Dragon
• Steel

[fading walrus]

Steel gonna be horrible I feel

Dragon could be fun

I just want more EBEs...

[snow spruce]

@olive scroll can you upload your video clear of Nita on streamable too ? If you got it

[fading walrus]

I miss fun EBEs

[noble sapphire]

Then there's the trainers.
If we look at Facility Leaders that are in the game...

• Greta
• Dahlia
• Ingo
• Emmet
• Dana
• Morgan
• Blue
• Red

[paper mural]

The new subway event is kinda mini ebe.

[fading walrus]

Same was last month's iono

But they're more like

BCs

Than EBEs

Because no theme boost

Also lower difficulty

[fading walrus]

Trainbros are in the rally intro menu

So imo they're warranted

[paper mural]

I mean theres no clear difference between bc and ebe other than theme boost.

[noble sapphire]

One is significantly easier.

But that depends on what you mean by Battle Challenge.

Cuz to me, those are part of Story Events.

[fading walrus]

The battles at end of events

[distant estuary]

I can handle steel and maybe dragon, but bug? God no

[paper mural]

Some early ebes are actually faily easy

[fading walrus]

EBEs are the 300 gems, 2 difficulty, theme based Extreme Battle Events themselves

[fading walrus]

Yeah, because early on the game was less insane

[distant estuary]

Our bug strikers / DPSer are kinda oldge, the most recent bug striker we have is SC Barry

[fading walrus]

The fun part of EBEs was revisiting them and having themes swapped around

Also offregioning

[paper mural]

And some bc if you try to fulfill the mission is actually hard for a thin roaster.

[distant estuary]

We need an arc bug with strike as EXR

[low coral]

Well, the very first one was kinda insane

[noble sapphire]

To me, the most-recent Bug Striker I have is Alder.

[fading walrus]

The Maxie/Archie one?

[low coral]

Fighting Archie was more fine, but beating Maxie was ultra specific

[fading walrus]

The Archie ebe was free

Maxie sucked

Tough skin zards with evasion

The amount of missed muddy waters and brines...

[paper mural]

Kanto villain arc ebes are quite easy.

[noble sapphire]

Yeah, I only have 10 Bug-type Pairs.

[fading walrus]

Because may was new af

[low coral]

Lear happened soon after and had people struggling

Not to the extent of Maxie, but still

[noble sapphire]

The Anniversary EBEs were kinda challenging.

[paper mural]

On the other hand the first time Alola villain arc bc dropped ppl thought its hard

[fading walrus]

I didn't have lear but don't remember having problems with it, which one was it

[noble sapphire]

But the Anniversary Poke-Fair EBEs were another issue.

[low coral]

Anniversary one, boosted Alola

[noble sapphire]

But nothing will ever beat SST-Red's EBE.

[halcyon mango]

How was your progress on that rn

[fading walrus]

Ahhhh

[noble sapphire]

IMO

[fading walrus]

Yeah Alola one

Was annoying af

[low coral]

Made for Anni Lillie

[fading walrus]

Yep yep

[noble sapphire]

SST-Red's EBE can die for all I care.

[low coral]

So didn't have too many gimmicks outside of Endurance + Unyielding, but had the raw power for it

[fading walrus]

The tbolt ebe wasn't remotely as bad as the katrio birds one

[low coral]

Well, depends on which run you mean

[void elbow]

ass

[fading walrus]

Fuck that onix

[low coral]

Because, originally, it boosted Kanto and every Electric

Second run boosted only Unova

Luckily, Unova has the two other physical Electrics

[fading walrus]

The second run was pretty easy with Uma musume

For the first iirc I cleared with BP soph

[snow spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLBSgrT501I
how the fuck
the gears made the difference after all

[low coral]

Generally the evasion based ones has people struggling

Or accuracy dropping

Like Looker

[fading walrus]

Holy fuck...

Not even close

While having also god gear

This is a "one in a lifetime" gear

Right here

Fucking crazy

[warm haven]

lmaoo

[snow spruce]

is that all electric damage reduction ?
or its offensive gears ?

[fading walrus]

I think it's -13% electr

[warm haven]

can we put steel now above ice?

[snow spruce]

Steel is definitely #1 mono-type team (above ice & electric) and probably #2 overall
I still have Arc Duo above because they dont need to do such clears or the god gears. The flexibility slot makes it easier
IIRC the arc duo-mix red team may only have 1 single death in all 13 clears - on Noland
But yeah Steel is nuts

[paper mural]

It's "under steel zone gets 9% reduction". One of them is irrelevant since it's poion zone.

[snow spruce]

9% reduction only to sync dmg? all syncs or physical syncs ?

[paper mural]

All regular and sync moves get reduced.

[snow spruce]

Steel team can probably go to 17/17 now, unless they make a status cond. requiring UB thats even worse than MR

[rain sorrel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bovdhr4guBs

It's just a Lucy run but it was fun using Angry Monke on it.

[covert marlin]

really he should be named Arc Suit Lear

[dim lance]

insert wtf is that meme

[rain sorrel]

Steel Team: Gimmick checks? What are those?

[dim lance]

No rules, just capitalism

Sad reality of the world

[warm haven]

real

[rain sorrel]

DeNA not being subtle that money beats difficulty

[warm haven]

two billionaires and a dena's moneymaker

[dim lance]

Former moneymaker

But ye

Now if rose were better Lillie we'd get the full billionaire elite package

Irl 1% in Pokémon masters, kek

[warm haven]

Nvm, i remembered that lusamine is weathly too so it checks out.

[dim lance]

That works too

[fading walrus]

raw stats

and capitalism

[snow spruce]

If you could get similarly perfect gears and make them survive Nemona sync - could Arc Duo + SS Lear also bruteforce terrain Nemona ?
you lose the steel zone, but Cynthia herself generally outdamages Lillie, you might even be able to do a killsteal on a side due to more AoE damage, thats extra attacks
you also wouldnt need to do a late Steven sync, you sync Steven first as always (double sync buff right away), then Lear, then Cynthia - right after Nemona to restore the rebuffs
plus the sand chip dmg
Its mostly surviving the first sync thats so difficult and Lear doesnt share any themes with Cynthia, so you cant have gear for both at once. Probably makes it impossible

[fading walrus]

likely yea

just need a godlike gear setup

[leaden dagger]

The flying f is wrong with this stage? It should've already been won, is there anyone who just auto wins that isn't eri

[slate light]

do you have aura cynthia

team flinch immunity

[leaden dagger]

Only 1/5, and never had the thought of trying to raise her up

[fading walrus]

Unflappable here is pretty much what antitoxin is for Lucy

Sleep can be shut off by ET

[slate light]

ooh ye you could just give people Unflappable for this

[fading walrus]

Or by having some for of team heal

Like group therapy brock

Or smth like that

There's already a couple f2p clears

Unflappable is a must tho

[pine sonnet]

Had to do it 4 times to hit all the missions. Wish I’d thought of Kiawe in time, he covers 3

[fading walrus]

He's also goated

Because of his personal LS

Anti status + anti interference

[formal matrix]

That steel team clear is crazy

[dim lance]

mfw tosakinto brought out an Eri clear... just to diss her relative to Elaine

lol

I quote, "Elaine is 100 times better than her"

after complaining about all her problems

[paper mural]

Also Arc Cynthia can't bypass Tough Skin.

[snow spruce]

well Elaine is better for UBs IMO

[olive scroll]

How can he get those gears tho, stamina refresh?

[dim lance]

she's better everywhere

except maybe blitz CS

[snow spruce]

bruteforce

[dim lance]

she's worse off for DC/LG etc, and I'm pretty sure Elaine's a great HS unit as well, especially since she can also abuse evasion there

[formal matrix]

Got Eri 1/5 for myself, her 1/5 is a pain in gauge. Can’t say for higher level tho

[leaden dagger]

Damn this is still impossible for me, literally arc cynthia is supposed to be an auto win

[snow spruce]

only in 90-95% of content

[stable storm]

Noland should be doable cuz nc blue has opening dg iirc

[rain sorrel]

Same problem even at 3/5. You need to account for it when slotting her in.

[paper mural]

If she want to bruteforce any of these subway challenges she still needs good teammates bc too much gimmick at once.

[stable storm]

would you say steel team has achieved the most out of any single team rn

[paper mural]

Whoever decided to give ALL of them tough skin should get fired immediately!

[leaden dagger]

Literally every stage tmk has had it

Finally ugh but I know it's not all the missions

[rain sorrel]

It took awhile but full Paldea team for Evelyn UB

[snow spruce]

I still have Arc Duo as the best team/core overall, they have some crazy clears like Noland with a lvl 1 eggmon, 7 UB duos, Palmer duos etc.
And their 13/13 with mix red is easier than steel teams 13/13, they basically dont really struggle with any UB so far and dont require super gear
But Steel is the best monotype team/best type synergy rn. And the best gimmick bruteforce team

[stable storm]

I am talking about the most achievements

[snow spruce]

so am I

[hearty cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLBSgrT501I

Their supremacy doesnt end

[stable storm]

I consider beating the enemies while ignoring their gimmick a bigger achievement even if arc duo is better rn because they can splash anything

[stable storm]

My glorious king is carrying fr

[hearty cedar]

I consider the steel team as the ULTIMATE team in this game

[stable storm]

nah, arc duo is still better

[dim lance]

arc duo is impressive because it unlocks most if not all doors

steel is impressive because it doesn't need keys

it just rams through them

cause why the heck not

I think that's more impressive lel

[snow spruce]

arc duo > steel > ice / electric / poison

IMO

[stable storm]

I wouldn't consider ice an equal to electric. I'd say it's above elec

[hearty cedar]

Where is that ingo and emmet meme where emmet says F it we megahorn. Steel team is just F it we dont care

[stable storm]

*defeats the enemies with the power of throwing money

[paper mural]

Well technically Arc Cynthia has the "downside" that she NEEDS to change weather. We just can't see how she work under not changing weather in Anabel.

[tepid wave]

You guys have any hints for Mission 16 (Alola), Mission 18 (Gym Leader) Mission 19 (Trial Giver) and Mission 20 (Body Builder)

It's hard cause ya have Eusine just to put immune on your team

[dim lance]

not exactly, especially when you consider the bottleneck

it's a faster comp, but electric is a stronger type in general

[snow spruce]

I mean you cant really replicate the 13/13 of Steel even with all 5/5 units because you dont have the uber godly gear for Nemona
you can replicate the 13/13 with 5/5 Cynthia, 4/5 Steven and mix red relatively easily, with 3* ground/steel gears
I would value that over the flashiness of bruteforcing gimmicks. But thats subjective

[stable storm]

I doubt any future ub blocks steel tbh

[dim lance]

That's fine

[dim lance]

don't be too confident it won't happen

[stable storm]

one of the future ubs will be steel weak and that will be easy

Yes but I think it's unlikely

[snow spruce]

I think they will both go to 17/17 at least

[paper mural]

Alola + Trial Giver is either Kiawe for ghost se dmg or Lana for wide guard block.

[snow spruce]

and Cynthia-Blue-Avery too

[stable storm]

yeh it's a matter of preference

[snow spruce]

the remaining 4 types arent too strong aside from steel, but they both have ASS on the team already

[stable storm]

btw does steel comp do more damage than ice

[rain sorrel]

Probably when we get a Steel attacking UB. You'd probably be forced to drop Anni Lillie

[snow spruce]

steel, bug, ghost, dragon

[tepid wave]

That actually could work, already have them on 6*. Gonna try it out

[snow spruce]

giving zone to the enemy isnt an auto loss

ice team managed Thorton, Cynthia doesnt always hold back ground zone on Nita etc.

[tepid wave]

I think getting a body builder is hard af

[snow spruce]

mostly you dont want them to have zone on sync, but otherwise ok

[paper mural]

How about a steel zone version Nemona lol?

[tepid wave]

doesn't have a few options

[stable storm]

Steel would also have positive rebuff

[north locust]

Kiawe also has Body Builder

[stable storm]

We don't have any ub types remaining that steel is weak to

[paper mural]

Well I want to recommend Chuck for gym leader + body builder at once but he's too new that many ppl haven't pulled him yet.

[stable storm]

ngl, even as a lear glazer I didn't expect both lears to actually make such incredible feats

[pearl pewter]

true

also, any pure F2P attempt at submas EBE pt.3 has to deal with DC nemona sooner or later

[stable storm]

kiawe completes 3 conditions

[pearl pewter]

who provides questionable utility but is the only accessible paldean

i'm aware. i've seen him in a few clears

[leaden dagger]

Finally, I also got paldea earlier by using fall iono over jasmine here, but ugh I'm dreading how much worse the other stages are in the future

So I guess for tips for all, if you don't have eri for paldea, use fall iono for ghost to hit exeggutor

[olive scroll]

I'm outside atm, but I think it was on replay when I finished

[paper mural]

Less ppl pull for seasonals. Average players only have Geeta or SS Nemona bc they're master fairs or some paldea pfs randomly dropped from the 100 pulls.

[olive scroll]

I just watched steel clear. How they somehow all survived her sync is crazy enough

Expecting steel UB repeats gladion EBE atp (imo the hardest EBE)

[lunar sedge]

https://youtu.be/1eXami3-53k?si=-EGfOmP5Nj7XGgB9

[olive scroll]

Anyway, I got it from replay instead, but it's same as my recording anyway
https://streamable.com/q2a7ra?src=player-page-share

[rotund oasis]

oh damn

the blue run requires status immunity huh hrm

oh just Lithe hrm

[grave pebble]

those perma flinch and sleep

[small basin]

i did it ‼️

who needs top tier psychic types when you have best boy

[small basin]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=010200051800&s0=5&l0=150&r0=6&p0=0&a0=21010101&t0=11111&g0=AAECAwQFBgcIChUWHSAiIyUpKi0&v1=012200019600&s1=4&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=21010101&t1=11111&x1=true&g1=AAECAwQFBggLDhATFBUYGR0uLw&v2=002103014500&s2=3&l2=150&r2=6&p2=0&a2=24010401&t2=11111&x2=true&g2=AAECAwQFBggLDhATFhkaGxwdHyI

damn long ass link

[zealous dust]

x games mode fr

btw if you want to shorten links in the future, you can do text

[rotund oasis]

Doneeeeee

Now i cant wait for her in rally

[river prawn]

Nemona was annoying

[shrewd marten]

I can wait

[zealous dust]

a strike cake would be great right about now

[humble gyro]

strat?

[floral crypt]

Almost did a Ash clear with SS Lana and NC Blue. Even this took like 30 minutes.

[humble gyro]

grids?

strat

[floral crypt]

For this or the Ash team? I kept changing the latter a lot

[humble gyro]

that team

[shell coyote]

Guys for pasio subway, which pair do I need?

Do I need to inflict status again?

I try Rei, ARC Steven, who should my last be?

[silver spruce]

Is this for the new extreme battle?

[mystic lion]

Submitted my Nemona clear to the ultimate battle google sheet (AS S, Avery, SS Lana). Here's the vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiEqdRz_tCA

[shell coyote]

For the pasio subway event round 3.

[silver spruce]

The stage is set to either put you to sleep or flinch you

Just make sure the team has flinch immunity and wide awake/status immunity and you should be fine

Aura cynthia has team staring contest if you have her

[shell coyote]

I don't have her

[floral crypt]

I tried this with SS Lana, didn't get it. Great job.

[shell coyote]

Okay so flinch and status immunity. Got it. I'll use my cookies to give them these lucky skills

[silver spruce]

you don't need status immunity specifically

just wide awake

[shell coyote]

Okay

[small basin]

Yea took a few bianca PT refreshes

Need one for start, one for nemo first sync, one for an elio sync (so he gets the damage boost), and one to reset side’s first e. terrain at least.

[zealous dust]

eri also has team sleep and flinch immunity, but i don't reccomended pulling for her only for this stage

but it's a nice bonus if you were already planning to pull for her

[humble gyro]

cant stop flinching or sleep to get the missions done

this is really annoying

[zealous dust]

it sucks that these missions and stages are all tailored towards the brand new units

heavily incentivizing players to spend money trying to pull em

like, i got ss emmet on a daily discount, which was stupidly lucky

but i don't really want to pull for any of the new units this month

[covert marlin]

you need unflappable, a semi decent fighting dps and focus killing lapras first, it's not that hard

just do it multiple times by having 2 carry unit + 1 unit with the themes lol

[humble gyro]

example for carry units?

unflappable but then they get asleeps

i grt fucking flinched ion every hit

god

[silver spruce]

Arc Steven with unflappable is a hard carry

aura cynthia with wide awake

[humble gyro]

but it gets flinched on every move

[silver spruce]

Grab team staring contest on her gird

grid*

[humble gyro]

Oh aura

i was confused with Arc

[shell coyote]

I managed to clear the flinch/sleep stage with ARC Steven, Rei, Dawn but no missions done. And it's hard to even do any

Dawn was pretty useless obviously but just that one time I wanted her to use her TM, it was helpful

[humble gyro]

whats a good trial giver for the mission?

[snow spruce]

in the NC Blue-Arc Cynthia team - does Avery potentially have several replacements for 13/13 clears ? you only need 2 terrains and something to help on Nita
-SS Acerola: terrains, sun, ST speed debuffs, ton of team PMUNs (she gives 2 PMUNs every time Cynthia sets WZT) and can tank instead of Blue on ice-weak stages
-SS Lyra: terrains, 100% flinch, chance to get random speed debuffs on Nita
-Greta: terrains, big speed debuffs, AoE sleep, max guard
-10/5 Victor: 2 terrains, speed debuffs for Nita + an actual Ground-type attack for damage

[warm haven]

You have to be careful with Noland

[olive scroll]

Some regulars here must have Blue, Cynthia and one of those units, right

Those seem common

[snow spruce]

Blue has initial guard
also the lvl 1 eggmon clear basically means Noland is free

[warm haven]

ah true nvm

but yeah, for NC Blue + Arc Cynthia anything that has 2 terrains (not electric ofc) and either speed debuffs or ST Stun is enough

[snow spruce]

I have the most faith in Acerola and Lyra, might try them
doing 13/13 with double support would be funny

[warm haven]

And i think its possible arc duo + sst red vs nemona

with max condutivity, terrains ends before nemona's sync

[snow spruce]

Ula’ula Ocean Breeze
Has a chance (100%) of increasing the Physical Moves ↑ Next effect of all allied sync pairs by 1 rank when an ally activates a weather, terrain, or zone effect.

this would activate twice after each after SS or Dustkicker sync, right ? once for weather, once for zone

[olive scroll]

I never try sand Nita, but Blue/Cynthia seem to be blocked most by her

It should do twice, yeah

[warm haven]

yes, twice

absolute broken

[olive scroll]

Cynthia gets 8 pmun every sync

[snow spruce]

SS Acerola making a comeback after the Tech role memes

[warm haven]

Nah it's still Cynthia

[snow spruce]

tbh Acerola can probably tank over Blue on any stage why not
it might be better to sync with her over blue for extra terrain (not just on Nemona) and to gt an extra PMUN and this:
Team Verdant Physical DR 3
and she has adrenaline 1

[warm haven]

You know, ss accerola might bring way more teams to 13/13 ubs

Somebody should try acerola + cynthia + bt leon

[snow spruce]

in fact, you're right, you dont even necessarily need blue then lol

except that she doesnt have spdef buffs, special dmg might melt her

[warm haven]

You might fish for sp.atk debuffs with leon

and the double DG helps survive any sync

[olive scroll]

Idt tanking Leon is possible tbh

[snow spruce]

Acerola can tank him with sp def buffs, so you still need blue for those
but making her the main target is pretty good, she has Safety Tether and FA4 too

and with the million PMUNs to Cynthia she is probably better than most dps

[warm haven]

Yeah and as i said leon has DG to mitigate accerola's damage too

And cynthia would be drowing in PMUNs + BT Leon aplying status

Who knows they might even presync nemona

[snow spruce]

something like this at 4/5

That team would have zone, terrain and 2 weathers ^^

[alpine quiver]

Easiest battle of my life (probably not)

[marble portal]

would LuSSa or SS Steven be better for damage

assume both are 3/5 EXR

[grizzled portal]

I believe lusamine has more sync multipliers

But don't quote me on this one

[rotund oasis]

Check the pins

[formal matrix]

Nah Steven syncs way harder

Lusamine has hide and sync but you can’t set it up

[grizzled portal]

Mm yeah grid becomes too expensive with discombobulate

Probably not way harder tho? All he has is the inherent 1.5x from tech ex and the sync move's multiplier

I'm not a math guy tho don't trust me

[marble portal]

and LuSSa had Double Down 9

[formal matrix]

If lusa doesn’t have hide and sync, Steven sync is like 1.5x Lusa’s

With double down 9

[marble portal]

LuSSa would still be a bit easier too right

Since she has Expand Range

Ik left has terrain

[formal matrix]

Yea you have to defeat all 3 at around the same time

In lusa’s case you can spam aoe. For Steven you need to attack side in the middle to eliminate their hp

[marble portal]

So I think it’s safe to say that Steven nukes harder, but the stage is more fitting for LuSSa?

[true lagoon]

she would have an easier time since most of her damage is unsplit aoe like ss lana

[marble portal]

would be using Bianca with this

[formal matrix]

That’s fine

Just time the psychic terrain set up

Make sure Nemona doesn’t nuke you in terrain

[marble portal]

good grid?

[formal matrix]

Looks good

[marble portal]

bruh.

[fast pendant]

did steven not finish it

[marble portal]

I’m not lasting without terrain removal

[formal matrix]

Maybe roll some better gear to try to finish before the second Nemona sync. I see you are very close to delete her

[fast pendant]

wait was that 2nd sync?

[formal matrix]

If that’s third I will be surprised. Can’t be first right?

[fast pendant]

they have one sync buff there I just don't know if the screenshot was taken before it changed to 2

I'm assuming 2nd since it was a crit

but being 2 sounds weird, Lusamine shouldn't have issues beating the stage

[marble portal]

okay so LuSSa is for sure not surviving second sync

might need to ditch SP3 Bianca

for HS1

[fast pendant]

what move level is steven

'cause 3/5 he would have hs1 in grid and lusamine's tm has -2

so there's no need for an extra hs1

[marble portal]

2

5 Bianca 3 LuSSa 2 Steven

[fast pendant]

you could try tm mpr instead of trying hs1 bianca if you don't have a lot of cookies

[prisma temple]

Hello good people
The hse made me forget about this and the ultimate battle

Any team that can do all missions here?

Also what's Nemona's gimmick

[stable storm]

remove et 3 times or die(unless you are steel team in which case you beat nemo through et). You need to rebuff and nemo cleanses it every sync

[prisma temple]

Interesting

[stable storm]

sides have 500k hp

[prisma temple]

Yooooo

Wdf

[stable storm]

with 160 bp aoe moves

nemo is only 550k tho

[prisma temple]

Where is SSteven

[stable storm]

with 1 endure at 60%

[prisma temple]

That's some monkey business
Well
Do you know 1 team i can use to clear all missions for the train duo part 3

[stable storm]

can clear pretty comfortably with an pn command psychic terrain mon and a good support that can rebuff twice

[true lagoon]

so nc blue bianca ss steven right

with gobsmack and disarm for debuff?

[stable storm]

I don't remember an all clear team that doesn't use eri because the enemy spams aoe flinch and sleep

[stable storm]

yeh

[rotund oasis]

check the pins if you haven't
I basically just copied the a team there.
My case was Bianca +e10, NC Blue 3EXR +e6, and SS Lusamine 3EXR +e6
Head Start, Vigilance, Super Powered 3.
Sync with SS Lusamine 2 times, closing to 77%, after Nemona syncs, you've got a bit of leeway to get a NC Blue sync, time your Psychic Terrain when she hits to hit 60%
You can check the youtube vid in the pins/Ultimate Battle clears documentation

[marble portal]

died at 1%

love this stage

there we go

[golden steppe]

Is it possible without Bianca EX?

[marble portal]

the UB sheet does have it without her EX, but Steven is 4/5

Steven for me Iis only 2/5

[golden steppe]

Same

I feel like I could beat it but imma wait till I can cake Lussamine

[prisma temple]

I think I will have to do it on 2 teams sigh

The event not the UB

[golden steppe]

For the missions and stuff?

[prisma temple]

Yes

[golden steppe]

Don’t know if you have Rei and Arc Steven but I got through all the missions with them two + a pair with the theme skills needed for the mission

[north chasm]

this subway stage sucks ass

most egregious "pull for new unit or lose" stage i've seen in a while

and you have to clear EVERY MISSION to get the title

[rain sorrel]

And your best alternative is relying on Team Solar Immunity, which only NC Leaf and Variety Lucas have but you need to have more Sun charges against TOUGH SKIN.

Or even Variety Elio's Team Condition Immunity under Psychic Terrain but you'd probably need him and SS Lana in one team

[stone scarab]

You can go for Unflappable LS + any Electric Terrain pair to counter those, to be fair

Still kinda a pain to deal with the actual KO the boss part, but I didnt struggle too much

[marble flume]

Worst case scenario you can always come up with a duo who can manage the fight and then just cycle through theme skills across multiple clears, at least

But yeah, this fight goes about pushing the featured pair in a really un-fun manner, IMO

[north chasm]

well, i managed to get 6/7 missions with this team, and BARELY… needed a tm mpr from nemona

and unflappable on bea and mina (nemona has it on grid)

only mission i missed is johto

i guess chuck could do it but i dont have him so

[marble flume]

If you have a good Piercing Blows pair you could try them and then fit Johto into either the Support or 3rd slot

[rain sorrel]

Chuck would have been really good in fulfilling Johto - Gym Leader - Bodybuilder if he was more accessible

[north chasm]

i'll rock sst red for electric terrain to avoid sleep and ssa cynthia for group staring contest

then just slap a johto unit on

hopefully it works

yeah easy

3rd anni duo counters this stage's gimmicks nicely

i bet you can just slap whatever third unit for theme skills and use those two

[zealous dust]

this team can almost clear the stage

rei exr would probably take it all the way

[formal matrix]

Latias run was fun

[rotund oasis]

oh sst red has... a few options.

i'm still missing uh

Trial Giver, Body Builder, Alola :x

[zealous dust]

kiawe has all 3

[rotund oasis]

hrm. guess he'll need unflappable.

okay. i got it. SST Red, Kiawe and NC Hop :>

just gonna have to give both kiawe and nc hop antiflinch

[zealous dust]

good luck

[grizzled portal]

Pls nemona I don't want to have a fruitful battle anymore

It actually wasn't that bad though nita way worse

[rotund oasis]

There we go

man

building around 1 freaking support lmao.

(btw that was a 150k nuke, didnt even crit)

[north chasm]

kiawe could use his personal cookie

if you have it

[rotund oasis]

the status immunity one?

forgot about that one

[north chasm]

its condition immunity

so works for flinch and sleep

[rotund oasis]

😮

that's actually... hot.

[north chasm]

i forgot about it too tbh

i just used ss mina for team whimsical immunity and gave her unflappable

[zealous dust]

well that sure would be convenient

[dim lance]

Rofl, skinny actually managed to do Nemona with Lisia

My waifu ain't washed after all

[final yacht]

She is, just completely hard carried

[formal matrix]

Next people are gonna start gaming with holiday Whitney

[prisma temple]

They already did

[marble portal]

feels nice to finally have Nita gone

that SS N cake REALLY helps

3 UB to go, not equipped for any of those so we chill

Anabel, Leon, Giovanni

[golden steppe]

I swear I can definitely beat this but Bianca WILL not proc psychic terrain mpr and it’s so annoying 😭

[snow spruce]

skinny in the Nemona clear with Lisia had the same issue I had when I tried nc blue - Cynthia - SS Acerola yesterday - not enough damage to kill before 2-nd sync.
Acerolas extra PMUNs didnt make up for losing Stevens damage, Stevens PMUNs and Mix Reds damage
but defog is manual and can refresh, so it still works with Lisia. Would also work with SS Lyra then
Acerola probably needs what Mina got - terrain when first using sun, that would mean you dont have to sync with her to remove second E.T.

[craggy wind]

So apparently

Lisia is super useful for Nemona

[gentle wharf]

Huh how so

[warm haven]

Defog removes ET

She's not super useful. It's just that there's not many options

[paper mural]

https://youtu.be/pnua_vdTZY8?si=BM19vrrejIdCsqjC
2 genpool + ArcSteven beat Nemona.

[olive scroll]

Do we get all SA next month

Hopefully soon

[warm haven]

In two months

Dena said that it would take 3 months

[snow spruce]

skinny posts so many UB clears, but never any NC Blue + AS Cynthia
she even did Cynthia with Avery already too, but with Steven, not Blue. Probably just doesnt like Blue-Cynthia duo when Steven exists
But she also does all UB clears too and Blue-Cynthia-Avery is the most obvious choice for 13/13 rn

[paper mural]

The letter said Jan 1, 2025 will finish adding all the SA to past pfs.

[dim lance]

didn't she could a couple of duos

you could request also I think, unless she doesn't take those

[rigid pivot]

Remember how people said they think steel wouldn’t be able to do this

[golden steppe]

So close

[fading walrus]

Oh hell nah not arc duo + lisia

Beating nemona

Rofl

[rotund oasis]

Arc Duo + Lisia?

Base Lisia? D:?!

post pls

[fading walrus]

Zzz

https://youtu.be/ChGm_Fq_8yc?si=8FegTA4rUZkQSrPy

There

[foggy scarab]

got the silly missions out of the way with these...thankful as hell SSA Cynthia has team flinch immunity lol. just kept swapping out left unit for whatever mission required (sadly didnt use Kiawe cuz he is unbuilt and i got lazy to throw resources on him)

[rotund oasis]

oh okay, that's a 3/5ish Arc Steven

that sync burst D:

1:40 minutes in, Arc Cynthia 5/5 passive.
Ah wells. thankfully 1 pokefair and 1 masterfair + 1 genpool's enough ;-;

[snow spruce]

both Arc Duos are 5/5 there pretty sure

[rotund oasis]

hrm

i'm impressed they've got enough gauge

[golden steppe]

God I hate this I would’ve won if it wasn’t for Lusamine getting paralyzed

[covert marlin]

need better skill gears I guess, so close

and I got paralyzed too

[golden steppe]

Anything I should change? I don’t know if I should put Arc Steven’s lucky skill as HS1 or Adrenaline 1

[covert marlin]

can you pick HS1 on Steven's grid?

if you can, pick adrenaline

[golden steppe]

No I only have him 2/5

[covert marlin]

still pick adrenaline then, since you will still need to use Steven's sync after Nemona's 1st sync

if you can quadqueue, pick HS 1 to combo with Lusamine's TM

[crisp minnow]

Where can i see all the passives of the subway event ebes?

[formal matrix]

You gear aren’t working properly. Maybe switch to gears that actually boost the team

Ideally boost all three. I feel your Bianca’s hp is on the lower side which might be dangerous for her. And physical gear on Steven to increase his damage a bit to make a difference

[zealous dust]

https://pastebin.com/vALuHRxR

[snow spruce]

@warm haven couldnt do Noland with Blue-Cynthia-SSAcerola/SS Lyra because of lack of sync reduction.
you basically need total -6 to sync after 1 turn, otherwise its too slow.
Blue, Acerola, Lyra have no native sync reduction so even if you give everyone HS1 you only get -5 total, not enough.
Dont see a way to do it unless 10/5 Acerola get a HS1.
Turns out Stevens HS1 on grid is hugely important for these fast Noland clears

Avery has -2 from max move at least, so he should still be fine as long as you can manage Nita

[warm haven]

ah thats sad

[warm haven]

idt they struggle with nita, avery changes weather and blocks speed buffs so it should be easy

[snow spruce]

its harder than with Steven, the AoE flinch is a lot worse to block side attacks/speed buffs. Might still be doable idk.
but skinny said Blue-Cynthia on Nita is too troublesome to bother with, she wont even try it.

Hopefully 10/5 Avery gets something that would either help on Nita
or gets a way to do status cond (multiple times), then you can bring back Steven and do MR

[warm haven]

Sand nita can't be harder than weatherless nita

[mental jasper]

doesn't she have sand blaster?

[snow spruce]

its not entirely weatherless, you dont really have a good way to activate the sub-50% hp hail whenever you want and the b-move hail is only 1 use

[warm haven]

The first EQ should be able to trigger the passive hail

[snow spruce]

that might not work because of Cynthias passive +1 ground rebuff, he wont go down to 50% from the first EQ

[warm haven]

It works. But still if gears won't allow it it follows a SE AoE on Avery that for sure will work

[olive scroll]

Imagine the timeline where Blue has hs1 or sprint EX

[warm haven]

Next month exclusive LS HS2 on blue

[olive scroll]

Whose screenshot is it, skinny?

[warm haven]

mine

[olive scroll]

Didn't know you have Arc Cynthia

Do you mind doing the deed

[warm haven]

Got her by yoloing 1 multi, and she's staying at 1/5 cakeless forever

[olive scroll]

Oh ic

[fading walrus]

Oh man tosakinto did the same Anabel clear I did yesterday with Eri

[snow spruce]

that helps
but another issue is that Cynthia needs to spend a turn using SS for +6 Atk, so thats 1 turn not debuffing speed, that can make it so you cant keep up, idk
there is also the sure-crit EQ and no endures
Hopefully Averys 10/5 really helps with the Nita match-up (ignoring that this needs a 10/5 Avery)

[formal matrix]

Avery 10/5 might have hail on entry

[warm haven]

yeah but they're weatherless for some time so +1 speed per turn, plus an extra +2 from blue's flinch

and they wont remove the debuffs on sync if avery uses the second hail there

[fading walrus]

https://youtu.be/HkSCUARfSiQ?si=xiATebaWmOk8eE5Z

[olive scroll]

Is there list of exclusive LS somewhere
Just realize that kantrio will get them soon, even if not 5/5 grid

[snow spruce]

@warm haven 10/5 Victor on paper looks like he already has everything for a 13/13 clear with Blue-Cynthia
speed debuffs, good extra damage, both terrains dont require syncing, MAX Countdown 1, even PB etc.

[valid onyx]

What is exclusive LS?

[mental jasper]

custom lucky cookies

tbf this isn't the right channel to ask that question and ik there is a resource somewhere not sure how up to date it is

[olive scroll]

Nvm, I found it

Most don't seem to be consequential

[warm haven]

oh yeah he's a great candidate

Even nemona would be really easy with him

[formal matrix]

Victor has PB. Do they even need status condition from Blue at all?

[warm haven]

for MR yes

[snow spruce]

for MR absolutely and it does help on Leon too

[warm haven]

oh and his ground move would hurt too

[snow spruce]

his AoE max move has 730 BP at 10/5, kek

he might even be better/simpler than Avery

[warm haven]

and one of them is ground too

Now let's cook with 10/5 victor & Dahlia

[humble gyro]

is steven better than zapdos?

i cant do shit against this battle

[golden steppe]

Do you know the gimmicks of the battle?

[humble gyro]

yeah

status and terrain

i just cant time the terrain

the guy always syncs on electric

[golden steppe]

It’s probably because you get Nemona to 60% Hp

[humble gyro]

i know tat

[golden steppe]

Alr so when are you replacing Electric terrain

[humble gyro]

its bad timing

i dont know when to replace the terrain

[golden steppe]

It’s not, you should only replace terrain at the start, when Nemona sync and when she gets to 60% hp

[humble gyro]

This ALWAYS happens

[golden steppe]

You shouldn’t be attacking with SS Lusamine UNTIL she syncs

[humble gyro]

this team has so much gauge issues

i did that and then couldnt attack after its sync cause oif the gauge

[golden steppe]

And you also got Nemona to 60% Hp the moment she was going to sync

[humble gyro]

whats the strat then

[golden steppe]

First time your attacks carefully and even slow down the battle and try to predict how much damage you will do

If you think you’re going to deal enough damage to get 60% then put up Psychic Terrain after the attack

[humble gyro]

i just did that and the gauges killed me

i dont know what to do to be honst

[humble gyro]

i give up

fuck

[shrewd marten]

You didn’t use kiawe

He’s perfect for this

Although I gotta say

The fact nemona loses passionate spirit gives me agony

[north chasm]

loses it?

[shrewd marten]

Geeta does not have unflappable

So I’m in pain

Base nemona has it

Sygna does not

Because of couuuuuurrrrrrse

Almost had a 7/7 team

Now I try geeta but I’m just in pain

[north chasm]

ohh thats what u mean

could use dc nemona... too bad she sucks

[shrewd marten]

See like I wish I could use candies on nemona but I can’t justify it

Not when her super awaken is so mid

Can’t even cope with that

[north chasm]

???

its good

one of the better ones i'd say

i only have her 3/5

[shrewd marten]

Staggering 4 and pmun per attack

I don’t see how that fixes her issues

(And adrenaline or hs1 idk it’s the filler skill)

[north chasm]

her biggest issue is not having exr lol

that'll get fixed eventually

[fading walrus]

Her biggest issue is a weak AF buddy she gets 2 late uses of

Especially considering the alternative is tpunch

[north chasm]

you gotta consider her more of a utility unit

shes not gonna be the main damage dealer

the superawakening giving an extra mp of both her tm and b move woulda been nice

[shrewd marten]

Her utility just isn’t that strong

She herself does not bless her teammates with an inordinate amount of muns

She does not gift them with unique means to do damage

And her gimmick checking amounts to flinching only, which isn’t much of any gimmick checking

Simply put, that’s a side unit with no gimmick checks in a game all about gimmicks

Like sure her tm is great but like that’s not replacing a support

[fading walrus]

^

If SA gave her rebuff, ET or at least guaranteed para/flinch/sync burst I'd have said "that's a fine investment for a fave"

But at the moment even if she was blessed with a great exr she's very weak

[prisma temple]

This team works vs nemona and has room for mistakes

[arctic mist]

Can I please get some guidance for Challenge Trainers on the Tracks: Part 3? I'm struggling with even clearing the stage, let alone the missions right now...

[stable tundra]

All team members must have Unflappable skill

Can you send your roster here?

[zealous dust]

also wide awake, or status immunity otherwise

[stable tundra]

I don't recall any of them having sleep moves

[paper mural]

Left side has sure sleep after any moves, just like right side has sure flinch after any moves.
You can have Unflappable on all units and clear the left side first so you don't need to deal with sleep.

Or bring units like SSA Cynthia (team flinch immunity), NC Leaf (team status & interference immunity under sun) or SS Lear (team status & interference immunity under circle)

[rotund oasis]

the sides do.

For sleep, just run Electric Terrain

SST Red has Grounding Wire so he can negate the flinches

Kiawe with his Lucky Skill helps out a lot (No Interference or Status Condition)

Its like a mini Leon UB battle really.

[rotund oasis]

+tracker Use this instead. some of the images are a lil too small.

[plucky swan]

Link : https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker/
Use this video guide to properly filter your pairs : https://imgur.com/a/2ONrAcl
Fill your pairs > Turn Visibility only for "Have" > Filter by Type then Role > Turn On "Separators" > Print with "Image" button

[arctic mist]

I've seen that before, but haven't been able to use it effectively on my phone's screen.

Can't you zoom in, anyway? The quality of the images is sufficient.

[arctic mist]

This comparison only helps those already familiar with one of the two battles. I am not.

[rotund oasis]

hm. sst red is available, but move level is kinda low. NC Hop has Unflappable in grid. so you can give him Wide Awake.

if you run NC Hop with an Electric Terrain setter, you can go all in with CS2, he will nuke that mid.

Do you have Kiawe's Personal Lucky Cookie?

[stable tundra]

You can try out SST Red, Rei/NV Hop and Holiday Jasmine. Move levels don't matter on both dmg dealers

Give everyone Unflappable, except Hop who has that skill on his grid

Time your terrain precisely. Caking Red is ideal to have more terrain uptime

[crisp minnow]

Ty

[arctic mist]

I've managed to clear it once, now. Still got some missions to clear, but I'm making some headway.

[rotund oasis]

i used the exact same team, but with Kiawe for Body Builder, Alola & Trial Giver.

(aura cynthia away in another team)

honestly, he can kill the ghost weak side by himself, its kinda funny.

[zealous dust]

provided you have his lucky cookie

[rotund oasis]

i ran him with unflappable since e-terrain is active

(i didnt use his personal cookie, but truly overkill)

[zealous dust]

oh yeah

[rotund oasis]

the other team i ran with was, Variety Falkner (Johto & Gym Leader), Aura Cynthia (Passionate Spirit) and SS Nemona (Paldea, Passionate Spirit)

SS Nemo has anti flinch, just needed Team Wide Awake from Falkner. Aura Cynthia has Team Staring Contest ;D~

[zealous dust]

the only clear i've gotten so far was with ss morty, rei, and ss kris

so i've still got a ways to go

[arctic mist]

It seemed that 6*EX was needed for Kiawe for that... I did increase Kiawe's potential, considering how often I've used him in the Battle Rally.

Oof. CLOSE.

Just 15 left. I did try before with Kris & Jolteon, but they don't seem to be able to take enough damage. Any advice?

[stable tundra]

Kris' damaging move is not quite good, and all enemies have Tough Skin 5 which reduces non supereffective damage

[arctic mist]

I've swapped Iono & Bellibolt out for Jasmine & Ampharos from here and cleared the stage.

21/49 clear!

[olive hull]

In the Eri event challenge battle versus Lucario, you can't poison?

[shrewd marten]

I think geeta kiawe ss morty is a full 7/7 team but it requires unflappable geeta 3/5 geeta condition null on kiawe

[golden steppe]

You can, just tested it out and you can

[olive hull]

Hmm. With what?

[golden steppe]

James and Weezing

[olive hull]

Oh okay. I can confirm. It must have been bad luck that like in 8 rolls, none of them poisoned

So moving on to the train battle number 3. How's the constant AOE flinch supposed to be dealt with?

[zealous dust]

supposed to be dealt with? eri. but you can also use any condition+status nullification, as long as your whole team gets it

[stable tundra]

Some units provide team protection, like NC Leaf/V Lucas with Team Solar Immunity or SSA Cynthia with Team Staring Contest to prevent flinch

[olive hull]

Who even gives condition protect?

That also fits the criteria though. No Fighting types in Johto, Paldea, or Alola. At least I don't have any.

[stable tundra]

Or you simply give everyone Unflappable/Wide Awake, but you have to find some ways to neglect crits if you can't clear them before their second sync

[stable tundra]

That means you have to find 1 or 2 great units that check the stages' gimmicks, then find units on the remaining slot(s)!to fulfill the missions

For example, 3/5 SSA Cynthia + SST Red core prevents 2 annoying interruptions to occur. So you only need to bring someone whose themes fulfill the missions, like Bea for Fighting or Kiawe for Alola mission

[olive hull]

Flinch is definitely the annoying one. Have to plan my moves around flinch locks

[north chasm]

unflappable lucky skill is your friend

[olive hull]

I'd rather not if I can help it

NC Leaf core, I guess

[snow spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uqkHChoJ0U
behold, the slowest Nemona clear ever

[fading walrus]

Has anyone done a Nemona clear with EXR bellelba

[stable storm]

at least nemo likes battling

[warm haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LL3supkoqk

tosakinto is back

and omg lana deals no damage

[dim lance]

without rebuff access and only isolated coinflips, yes

this guy is a masochist down to the core

[rain sorrel]

Meanwhile I'm looking for places where SS Ingo could work but it's tough to hit all of the gimmick checks.

[warm haven]

It's still SE damage and Elio had similar dps on a 3 bar move

[warm haven]

10/5?

[rain sorrel]

Just 3/5

Like I could bring him in Nemona in place of Rebuff but the DPS is lacking because I'd be relying on Bianca to remove Eletric Terrain

[warm haven]

Ah you mean Ingo vs Nemona

You would need a better PT setter and NC Blue as support

[rain sorrel]

In any UB really, since we don't have a Ghost weak UB yet. Slotting him in others is hard

I just like testing my new units in UBs, it's still hilarious that Eri has so many tools in her grid to counter Lucy but you know... it's Lucy

[low coral]

That depends on your roster and how willing you are to use units that are good against the stage in the first place

[fast pendant]

that doesn't look like a particularly hard battle

[low coral]

Like, what's your Ghost partners for him?

[fast pendant]

I would say it 's even somewhat easy

[warm haven]

i thought of that but sides are a problem

[fast pendant]

eh

not really

[warm haven]

Nah they are, lana isnt doing shit to them

Not like you have a risk of losing but it takes more time at least

[fast pendant]

it only becoems a problem if you ignore them

[rain sorrel]

My immediate thought was Darach and just praying that SSR Cynthia just keeps popping Ghost Wish MPRs but SS Ingo isn't actually gimmick checking him

[fast pendant]

which then it's just not good gameplay

[stable storm]

What's the next submas ebe

and the themes

[warm haven]

do you have arc steven?

[stable storm]

are you trying to beat nemo for the first time?

wait wrong message to ping

[rain sorrel]

Just 1/5. But I'm not really trying to clear UBs, trying to getting a feel of SS Ingo against UBs

[stable storm]

I meant to reply to this ome

[warm haven]

Even with 1/5 you prob can beat Thorton comfortably

Syncing with ingo first as he's special

[rain sorrel]

I already did, I threw NC Blue, SS Lusamine, and Bianca at her

[low coral]

Darach is totally beatable, just would be kinda annoying to reset for it

Although you can just run a support like SS Morty and prob be fine, you don't need Ghost Zone specifically to win

[rain sorrel]

I did reach 30% and I was running Lodge Steven with him.

Eri was decent until she got one shot by Brave Bird cuz she's Flying weak

[dim lance]

Lacking gardenia is rather unfortunate

You can try something with renegade against thorton, but it'd require mpr fishing

I'm a candy away from some ss ingo showcases myself

[snow spruce]

-SS Ingo (very preferably 10/5) + 3/5 EXR SSRC
-EXR Yarrdenia + 3/5 EXR SC Irida
-EXR Yarrdenia + 3/5 EXR SSRC
and to a lesser extent (because they will have lower zone uptimes):
-F.Iono + 3/5 EXR SSRC
-10/5 Ingo + 3/5 EXR SC Irida
these are your best bets for UB-capable ghost teams rn. Even these will probably struggle/cannot beat a few of the top hardest UBs. But like 7-8 they can do, maybe ~8-10 (maybe more with perfect supports ?)
1/5 SS Ingo wont do much, just some extra dps, a bit of ST debuffs and burn/confusion
Ghost probably wont be strong until the ghost arc

[dim lance]

I think it's fine, kind of in the midrange

I think 3/5 ingo + 3/5 gardenia can do the easier ones

[snow spruce]

Anabel, Darach, Argenta, Lucy, Evelyn - these have been/can be done by both SC Irida and SSRC teams, usually with Yarrdenia + appropriate support (usually steven/blue/weather). I also did Anabel with SSRC + Irida (the ice Irida)
Palmer was done by SC Irida-Yarrdenia-SS Mina
Thorton was done SSRC-F.Iono-AS Steven (by skinny)
Noland is trivialized by SSRC (fissure dodge) + Lana + any second dps

I havent seen real ghost team (i.e. not just one ghost getting carried by something op) clears on Leon, Nita, Giovanni, MR, Nemona
Giovanni might be doable, not sure by what
MR should be doable now with SS Ingo & go viral Will-o-wisp

[dim lance]

Ingo should be doable but not covering speed drops is an issue especially since MR is stun immune

Ironically, gardenia has done Giovanni with Lear

But not with other ghosts

[stable storm]

Lear is built different

his 10/5 will make him god fr

[low coral]

Well, Lear is one of the main counters to the stage, I wouldn't call it ironic

[dim lance]

The other one

Not base Lear

It was steel gardenia

[low coral]

Oh, that one is more surprising

Even if SS Lear is better than any Ghost, Steel Gardenia is generally weaker than Ghost Gardenia

[dim lance]

It was one of tosakinto's wacky duos

[low coral]

Although I assume she went for Steel Zone, but still use Shadow Ball?

Or was it going for Flash Cannon?

[dim lance]

She preserved metal sound until late game for burst

[low coral]

Since Shadow Ball generally still has the debuffing set

[stable storm]

wait does buff block negate the clear field good stuff passives

[dim lance]

https://youtu.be/4Cp1van_wO8?si=qUsw4gj_jF8kI1v2

[low coral]

Oh, I see

Well, it's half Steel

Half Ghost

[dim lance]

Like she's a valid pick for when speed debuffs aren't a concern

[low coral]

For Gardenia obv, not the comp

[dim lance]

I wouldn't call her better than Lillie but he's made it work in a good amount of places

[snow spruce]

yeah, current Ghost teams cant do that Gio clear I think
you would need a literal ghost version of Arc Steven at minimum

[dim lance]

Nah, I'm quite sure that Ingo Gardenia Steven can do this

[stable storm]

10/5?

[dim lance]

3/5

[stable storm]

are you gonna test that

[low coral]

I agree, you debuff for both offenses on two units, and you have two units who can flinch

[dim lance]

When I get another candy, yes

[stable storm]

you recently 4/5ed your ASS

[snow spruce]

SS ingo subsituting for SS Lears damage..?

[dim lance]

Well the clear is slower

[low coral]

So the pieces are all there

[dim lance]

Doesn't mean you can't go through it

[snow spruce]

I mean surviving or flinch the EQ isnt an auto-win, you still have to finish Gio before the second sync ?

[dim lance]

Ingo has the nuke damage to do that, it's mainly sides I'm concerned about

[low coral]

The flinch is exactly to gain time

[dim lance]

• I can just max guard

To tank stuff

[snow spruce]

oh yeah max guard

[dim lance]

People forget that Ingo can max guard

And it's really good lol

[low coral]

Idt you need to Max Guard regardless

[dim lance]

Yeah I'm fairly certain I can burst kill

[snow spruce]

but still, you have to use SS ingo WITHOUT rebuffs to compensate for SS Lears damage WITH -2 rebuffs
seems tough

[dim lance]

Before second sync

It's the acc debuffs that areva pain in the ass

[dim lance]

It's going to be a slower clear regardless

I may fail, I may not

But I have faith

[stable storm]

gl

[dim lance]

Alternatively I was actually going to try the duo with Kris against Anabel

[stable storm]

make submas proud

[dim lance]

But Irida gardenia's already done that

[stable storm]

not submas

[dim lance]

I ideally don't want to touch any more candies until the next mine

So maybe pray my dailies over the next week of his banner give me one more

[stable storm]

praying

[dim lance]

Nay

damn it

[formal matrix]

Just make your rose 10/5 to make a difference

[final yacht]

if it's 2% away, 6/5 would be enough already lol

[dim lance]

I got im

Sprint oak would make it easier funnily enough

I need ex Raihan for rose to clear Anabel

Is poppy UB a thing

I feel like I've never seen her UB before

[formal matrix]

Do you have her

[dim lance]

No, I wish I did

[formal matrix]

I’m sure she can do these easy UBs without any problem

[dim lance]

I know poppy's a better LG unit and gives fatter numbers, but I feel Rose is better here

Poppy struggles with side clear

But I reckon superawakening solves that

[formal matrix]

I mean, steel team doesn’t have side clear issue

Just put her with ss Lear and let Lear clear side

[warm haven]

yeah i havent seen anything with her idk why

[dim lance]

Well I could've also just put SS Lear with rose too

And it would be a murder party for stages that aren't too gimmick stressed

I was also expecting her to abuse that duo better, yes

But I wish I could see her more often

[formal matrix]

I wish I could have her

But last striker select scout I picked up rose because his music is better

(While accidentally pulled my 9/5 Steven in the scout )

[dim lance]

I feel steel post Steven is broken across the board regardless of its abuser

Like Lear Lillie is obviously the best but running poppy rose gloria

Even base Steven

Can lead to good results

[formal matrix]

Poppy reliably gets 2 PUMN from Steven on her dps move is huge

[dim lance]

Yeah she chunks fat health bars but also has spacing

She'll suffer from the endurance stages without management I feel

[formal matrix]

What does that mean?

[low coral]

It's not even just Steel, stuff like Arc Steven and NC Blue cut a lot of slack for a ton of units in general

Even of other types

[formal matrix]

Oh btw i saw a person on Reddit got 10/5 poppy

[dim lance]

Poppy's damage can be blocked by endurance thresholds

Eg if you have 75% on MR

And you want to use a boosted hammer on him

You get blocked

At the same time her play rough is so weak she probably won't reasonably chip it off, etc

[low coral]

Main annoyances would be dual endurance ones

The single ones are easier to play around, but 80% + 50%, less so

[dim lance]

I also think eventually Rose will be eclipsed by Gloria

Gloria just has more damage late and she doesn't even have her stuff yet

Poppy might suffer the same too

[low coral]

Eh, unless she gets good passive

Idt there's much reason to believe so if she hasn't treatened until now

[formal matrix]

If she gets good 10/5 passive and a banner with personalized candy I might awaken her

[low coral]

She still takes time to get online, and idk if she even does more DPS than Poppy post-sync?

[formal matrix]

No

She doesn’t

[dim lance]

Two blades is still not competitive to a hammer?

Rebuff skews it a bit for her maybe I digress

[formal matrix]

Stand alone Gloria is comparable to poppy. With Steven PUMN poppy wins

Because 2 PUMN hammer > 1 PUMN blade x 2

Without Steven why use these two

[low coral]

Steven also greatly reduces the value of having rebuff

[snow spruce]

Gloria is mostly impressive since she is so old - a 2020 pair. And has an innate despite being a Striker
she isnt really busted or anything (even at 9/5), certainly not better than Rose or Poppy IMO, idk where that came from
IF she gets a Field role - she could surpass some Steel dps that dont have zone

[low coral]

Is she?

[snow spruce]

I mean for a 2020 pair, I think she is. She came out ~4 years ago
especially compared to OG steven

[low coral]

2020 PF Strikes are stuff like Cynthia, SS Red, N, Lance, and Alder

Steven is more so an exception

[warm haven]

Yeah 2020 PFs are good now

[formal matrix]

Except one

Also I think Gloria might get ex role sprint because it’s Dena

And her kit has sync countdown

[low coral]

Gloria might even rank on the bottom half of that

[olive hull]

What are the "canon" teams you were supposed to use to win the train battles so far? Like, is there one that meets all the criteria and wins the battle easily?

[fading walrus]

I mean the first two were made for trainbros

Then there's the eri one

Then the adaman, Sina & dexio One...then idr

There's a weird ground final stage which coincides with last week ground weak CS that imo easily indicates a type for a new unit after datamine too

The idea for the theme skills was the chatelaines I guess since they also showed up in the event

The rest is probably filler to vary some combos

[mental jasper]

The Eri battle’s intended one-team comp has to be Eri/Chuck/an Alola trial giver, the other two are actually more lenient to do in one team if you have the SS SubMas

[olive hull]

I figured Chuck would be part of the Eri battle. Johto/Fighting, like come on

[final yacht]

The first one is SS Ingo / Fantina and whatever you want for 3rd, I don't remember the others

[mental jasper]

It’s not that, it’s that the one-team comp needs specifically a Johto Gym Leader since Alola has Trial Givers and not Gym Leaders

[final yacht]

Trial Giver is weird to me, Alola I understand for Masked Royal but Trial Giver why

[olive hull]

Oh wait, Fighting would have been covered with Eri anyway

[shrewd marten]

Kiawe

He has condition null alola trial and body builder

[mental jasper]

Eri is not taking out a 110k+ HP mid solo, so that leaves Chuck as the only Johto fighting-type gym leader

[fading walrus]

I mean she does

She can indeed solo DPS the stage, but it's not recommended

[mental jasper]

1/5 doesn’t meaningfully do so on a one-team comp unless your Kiawe rolls crazy MPR

[fading walrus]

Well I mean yeah 1/5 can't, because she's not intended to as she's not a DPS

But can tank for ages to make basically any f2p fighting type DPS clear

[mental jasper]

sure, but since we’re talking about a one-team clear your DPS needs to be either Johto gym leader or Alola trial giver and be able to survive long enough

[shell coyote]

Do we know what will be the next pasio subway enemies weaknesses?

[mental jasper]

grass weak with wise entry x2 and lots of rain matters passives, so it seems to be the Adaman battle

[shell coyote]

Grass weak 💀💀💀💀

Great

And we can't offtype 😭

[mental jasper]

it is much less tanky at only 77k hp mid, but yeah it keeps tough skin 5

[shell coyote]

Where can I see more info on that?

[fast pendant]

Grass asking for sun is very friendly for f2p

[mental jasper]

2.50.0 Quest pastebin from absolutely

[shell coyote]

Is this a channel name?

[final yacht]

https://pastebin.com/vALuHRxR

[shell coyote]

Oh

[mental jasper]

yeah, Sentry Entry 1 and a little bit of defense-matters stuff shows Adaman as the hard counter but it’s not like grass can’t tackle that otherwise

[shell coyote]

Ty

[fast pendant]

Well f2p grass has SS Erika

Brendan abuses sun well

As does Mallow

[mental jasper]

yeah the f2p options are a lot better than whatever they were for Eri battle

[final yacht]

Tbf Eri you throw Bea, unflappable everywhere and gg

[shell coyote]

I really haven't used my SS Erika as a striker

[final yacht]

What have you done with her then

[mental jasper]

strike is a role, damage dealer is the team function

[shell coyote]

Mostly nothing and sunny day a couple times 😂

[mental jasper]

you can say the words damage dealer and still be accurate

[shell coyote]

You still get what I mean so it's okay

I just hope she does enough damage. And I definitely don't plan to EX her 😂

[mental jasper]

Yes because in this case there’s a disambiguation, in other cases where you’ve used the same terminology it only makes it exponentially more difficult for others to get you the help you’re looking for

[shell coyote]

Thank you for clarifying it!

And thanks for the help! Hopefully I won't struggle that much. We'll see

[fading walrus]

Offtyping is fine as long as it's Phys

[shell coyote]

okay good to know.

[snow spruce]

who is this last Submas stage meant for?

Challenge Ingo & Emmet
This quest will unlock
Start: 25-11-2024 06:00:00
End: 06-12-2024 06:00:00
Difficulty: Ultra Hard Single
Rec.Lv 140
Start: 01-11-2024 06:00:00
End: 06-12-2024 06:00:00
Weakness: Ground
Watch out for these!
Focus 1: Paralysis
Focus 2: Burning
Focus 3: Trapped
NPC Middle 1-1: 219450 HP (Sygna Suit Emmet - Eelektross (Male))

        Passive 1: Tough Skin 5
        Passive 2: No Interference: Defense & Sp. Def ×3
        Passive 3: Lessen Poison 10
        Passive 4: Lessen Trap 8
        Passive 5: Lessen Interference 1

    Focus on these!
        Focus 1: Trapped

Its definitely not for SS Serena (she only has Ground a secondary attack, goes away on 25.11 anyway and also restrain =/= interference)
It looks perfect for Arc Cynthia, but why make a stage for her now when she doesnt have a banner?
unless its for the Ground-type MF in late November (the first December datamine pair)..?

[final yacht]

Yeah we think it's for a december pair

LI1 is evil lol

[true lagoon]

so is it another flinch unit

[mental jasper]

wait is that Arc Cynthia

[snow spruce]

so that basically confirms Primal Groudon for December? with trapping ?
(for extra good synergy with ASC lol)

[mental jasper]

I mean the Adaman battle is coming a few days before Adaman himself

[formal matrix]

Roxanne works for this?

[true lagoon]

yes

[formal matrix]

Select scout let’s go

[true lagoon]

not the same theme skills but the general kit is similar enough

[mental jasper]

also what is that thick hp count

[true lagoon]

isnt that almost as much as lucy

[mental jasper]

219k just feels illegal for a EBE

[snow spruce]

btw:
Watch out for these!
Focus 1: Paralysis
Focus 2: Burning
Focus 3: Trapped
the shill pair is also meant to ~counter these
but ASC and Foxanne dont deal with this at all

[true lagoon]

piers was 147k and was 2022

or was it 2023

[stone scarab]

2023

Piers was for NC Hop

[mental jasper]

2023 but that's an 80k hp jump

[true lagoon]

either way he was the thickest battle before we started getting ubs

[snow spruce]

so the Primal Groudon will have like ~team status/interference immunity like SS Lear?
a ground type SS lear ?

[stone scarab]

but 220k is still a substantial increase from that

[mental jasper]

so take the tankiest EBE we previously had
then add another EBE worth of HP on top of that basically

[final yacht]

what synergy they anti synergize

One wants sand the other wants sun

[fast pendant]

let's not go full on conccept in here