*arc cythina
#Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles
fading walrus
I offtyped with her 3/5
fading walrus
4-5/5 only really matters i. Fairy twMs
Teams
And even then
It's rarely the difference between win and loss
rigid pivot
Yeah I suppose, the issue is Elaine probs wants it more
And like I said these support candies are coming by really damn slowly
stable tundra
As a 5/5 Penny haver, i can confirm her 5/5 tiles don't really matter for UB in general
Everyone is on the same boat, don't worry. I am personally holding off support candies too
fading walrus
Elaine is like
A low priority
Since she can just rerun in a triple
Rosa is a unit you won't ever pick a dupe of
stable tundra
She is barely usable without candies, and waiting and pulling for triples is not a cup of tea for everyone
fading walrus
Yeah, but 3/5 Elaine is still far from great
Lol
She really wants the 4-5/5 tiles to be comparable
rigid pivot
Yeah I was gonna say to be fair i can never pull on triple banners anyway my luck is awful and the 500 pity rates now I gotta be careful
fading walrus
500 pity rate only means scouting arc fairs is a waste
rigid pivot
Yeah, but 3/5 Elaine is still far from great
Yeah but she’s more usual generally is my thing you know
fading walrus
With 46k you can likely just grab a triple and get much better variance
fading walrus
Yeah but she’s more usual *generally* is my thing you know
???
rigid pivot
Oh btw I do have ex role unlocked on both of them already rosa and Elaine
rigid pivot
Isn’t rosa a lot more of a complete support than Elaine though? Like at 3/5 Elaine gets debuffs, defense buffs, attack buffs, gradual heal…
rigid pivot
Elaine's exR sucks
Yeah but I did not have many other tech ex roles I felt like doing lol
Also it helps in rally
rigid pivot
Yeah but I did not have many other tech ex roles I felt like doing lol
It’s so over for me
(Most of these guys except acerloa and Lille are 1/5 lol)
Oh and raihan I guess but I don’t use him much anymore plus the tech role happened after I gave it to Elaine
rigid pivot
Isn’t rosa a lot more of a complete support than Elaine though? Like at 3/5 Elai...
Meanwhile rosa can pretty much do everything she wants at 1/5
Except like potion mpr or whatever
fading walrus
Isn’t rosa a lot more of a complete support than Elaine though? Like at 3/5 Elai...
Because the base 1/5 is weaker on Elaine
But Rosa gets better stacks, more heals, debuffs, less RNG buffing and same form buffing, aside obvious pot mpr
stable storm
do ya all think nemona's side toxtricity will behave like bertha hippowdown?
fading walrus
Elaine without TM heal is just pretty weak in most UBs
For CS Elaine copy number is a non factor
As CS can be cleared with Eggmons only
fading walrus
do ya all think nemona's side toxtricity will behave like bertha hippowdown?
Wdym
It does ET as soon as it has a move turn after mid dies
If that's what you're asking
I had her in rally
rigid pivot
Because the base 1/5 is weaker on Elaine
But Rosa gets better stacks, more heal...
My main issue with Rosa is rng bs, most non broken strikers (like ss Roxie when I use them) only buff to +4 special attack
fading walrus
So you're likely needing 3 Terrain sets
rigid pivot
And then oops I get 2 attack buffs
fading walrus
My main issue with Rosa is rng bs, most non broken strikers (like ss Roxie when ...
4 spa is enough most times
Especially early in the fight
stable storm
It does ET as soon as it has a move turn after mid dies
what if there's a different wtz up
fading walrus
When your output is lower
fading walrus
what if there's a different wtz up
Wdym
rigid pivot
I guess also most ultimate battles I struggle on rosa would not help me that much on (Palmer and MR)
I guess Nita she’d help more but
fading walrus
She's insane for Palmer wdym
rigid pivot
With Elaine it’s also kanto themes skills so, don’t know
fading walrus
For royale it depends on your poison units
fading walrus
nita's hippo changes the weather to sandstorm if it's not sandstorm
Yeah?
stable storm
I guess also most ultimate battles I struggle on rosa would not help me that muc...
Rosa is broken on palmer
rigid pivot
Yeah but you can do that with 1/5 rosa
fading walrus
If you have Rei, probably yea
rigid pivot
Is what I’m saying
stable storm
Yeah?
I was wondering if the toxtricity behaved like that since it has infinite et mp
fading walrus
Without him 3/5 is pretty mandatory
stable storm
Yeah but you can do that with 1/5 rosa
let me show you
fading walrus
I was wondering if the toxtricity behaved like that since it has infinite et mp
She does not seem to spam ET
rigid pivot
If you have Rei, probably yea
yeah about that
Like I beat Palmer once but my goodness it was super annoying and took so much time and rng
stable storm
Yeah but you can do that with 1/5 rosa
(1/5 rei and gridless rosa)
fading walrus
I'm pretty sure rosa NC hop riley clears easily
stable storm
She does not seem to spam ET
Oo seems like she won't be that horrible
fading walrus
Oo seems like she won't be that horrible
To be fair with the sides amount of hp
rigid pivot
I'm pretty sure rosa NC hop riley clears easily
Every time I try I miss the kill on either regigas or emololon
stable storm
it would have been funny tho
stable storm
I would not call that funny
would have made for some hilarious fails and cause more people suffering
fading walrus
By then mid is dead
rigid pivot
Let me try it again
Rq
See what I mean
And then he pretty much insta kills my party lol
stable tundra
Gears have great effect yeah
stable storm
gears are particularly great for palmer
rigid pivot
No I have 3 star just not max
stable tundra
I don't follow the convo but isn't there a video of this comp? Do watch it first to understand the strat if you haven't done that already
stable tundra
No I have 3 star just not max
Maxed type gears are already worse than decent skill gears, non maxed ones are even worse
rigid pivot
Oh they are? Huh
Whenever I did try them it always felt like I wasn’t getting enough stats
Plus they felt really rng and complex to me so I haven’t really bothered too much yet
stable tundra
I strongly recommend giving #1147355613198815352 a read to understand how the rerolling works
As well as tips and tricks
rigid pivot
Alright
rigid pivot
See what I mean
From failed runs I also noticed Riley instantly died to a side too
Rock slide one shot him
fading walrus
See what I mean
Me when I never mentioned aura Cynthia at any point
Having defence doesn't matter vs palmer
rigid pivot
Wdym I ain’t using cythina
fading walrus
You can run triple striker and it's likely gonna be better than 2 supports + 1 striker
And tbh there's definitely some problem if 4 ancient powers are making your Rosa reach 19%
rigid pivot
Well I don’t know they are just doing about 150 damage or so per hit I think
fading walrus
Look into skill gear, definitely
After all those fighting gears aren't doing anything
Plus If riley isn't caked he definitely won't be as useful
stable storm
I don't have chop
rigid pivot
See what I mean
Hop didn’t do enough go damage to mid anyway as it shows here
fading walrus
See what I mean
Pretty sure that's not a crit sync btw
rigid pivot
Hell I even tried nc red and that didn’t work either because I don’t have damn 3/5 chase or nc blue or whatever
rigid pivot
Pretty sure that's not a crit sync btw
Oh no it is, it said “crit strike 2” on it
Plus it made the crit noise
fading walrus
Mhhh
Can't see it from screenshot
It's faster to just post failed clears
It helps people chime in on mistakes
stable storm
And then he pretty much insta kills my party lol
what's your sync order
rigid pivot
Rosa-> riley max move-> Riley sync-> try to kill empolen then hop sync
fast pendant
3 syncs is not a low amount, but a maxed hop sync wouldn't do only 120k so there's def something not right there
rigid pivot
I recorded a vid but I can’t post it to discord because of dumb file size lol let me just post it to Twitter rq
stable storm
3 syncs is not a low amount, but a maxed hop sync wouldn't do only 120k so there...
shouldn't 2 sprint syncs plus max move with -3 countdown be enough for 4?or is rosa tm not being quad queued
stable storm
you should also try to quad with rosa using her tm
fast pendant
yeah that's not good, you lost a lot of sync acceleration windows right at the start
stable storm
you should also try to quad with rosa using her tm
I think it will let you get in 4 syncs? assuming you survive palmer sync with skill gears
fast pendant
you used 3 turns for 1st sync, then field effect ran out during your 1st sync
stable storm
I also think there's no need to waste fz duration by queuing regular moves when you would have sync already?
fast pendant
and you used max move to fix the quad queue you didn't have
stable storm
I am pretty sure it's doable with some gears that give you enough hp to survive the sync and proper queuing
rigid pivot
Well I don’t want to use rosa special tm so ID have to like use a potion first
rigid pivot
No like potion before the sync so I can sync on special and be on physical
And then tm queue maybe
rigid pivot
you used 3 turns for 1st sync, then field effect ran out during your 1st sync
It pretty much ALWAYS does using Riley’s tm first turn is the problem which sucks
fast pendant
well don't use riley tm first turn
rigid pivot
https://fxtwitter.com/yachu36/status/1849442864851300623?s=46&t=aYtrl-E0uRpTJw5Z...
And yeah see how much damage rosa is taking from AP too? Lol
stable storm
shouldn't matter tbh if Riley and chop survive sync
rigid pivot
Well idk if you saw from the video but (at least with what I’m running rn) everyone just died
stable storm
that's why skill gears were suggested
rigid pivot
I see
fast pendant
I don't think that's necessary tbh
stable storm
I don't think that's necessary tbh
Wouldn't they be required to live the sync to get the last sync in?
gentle wharf
What’s the estimated optimal Nemona team? Does it include SS Lana?
stable storm
What’s the estimated optimal Nemona team? Does it include SS Lana?
SS Lana, Lear/SSS and nc rosa I'd say but bianca could replace ss lana in the comp as a budget option with good enough rng
snow spruce
SS Lana is the main Nemona counter
her and any good AoE Psychic dps
SS Lana and SS Lusamine is great
rigid pivot
Wouldn't they be required to live the sync to get the last sync in?
Maybe?
gentle wharf
Drat don’t have SS Lana
snow spruce
and NC Rosa/any rebuffer
gentle wharf
Bianca you’re up… sadly
rigid pivot
So would you guys say then rosa will be more vaulble then Elaine to 3/5 first then
gentle wharf
The opening move is to immediately setup Psychic Terrain and have NC Rosa apply rebuffs to everyone?
rigid pivot
Because the base 1/5 is weaker on Elaine
But Rosa gets better stacks, more heal...
From up here
rigid pivot
The opening move is to immediately setup Psychic Terrain and have NC Rosa apply ...
I think they have e terrian in entry so yes
Also
They get rid of rebuffs on sync btw
stable storm
Drat don’t have SS Lana
whose your best psychic dd and do you have nc rosa
stable storm
So would you guys say then rosa will be more vaulble then Elaine to 3/5 first th...
personally?nah. I'd suggest saving for now since new mfs are close and datamine is closer
gentle wharf
Thankfully yeah I got NC Rosa. As far as DPS goes my options are SSSteven and LuSSamine
stable storm
move levels
gentle wharf
For Psychic Terrain I only got Bianca and 1/5 Anime lol
And Bellelba technically but she’s unreliable
3/5 Rosa Steven Lusamina
rigid pivot
For Psychic Terrain I only got Bianca and 1/5 Anime lol
Me too Dw lol except I don’t even have ss Steven 😭
stable storm
You will need to fish for et mpr 1-2 times probably but it should be possible with Bianca
stable storm
3/5 Rosa Steven Lusamina
you are fine
rigid pivot
personally?nah. I'd suggest saving for now since new mfs are close and datamine ...
To be fair they might just be arc units and screw us over
And isn’t it in December?
stable storm
And isn’t it in December?
yes but December is only 1 month and a few days away
rigid pivot
I see
I just don’t know if I can beat nemona with just 1/5 nc rosa
And I can’t beat MR ag all rn and I was wondering if Elaine could’ve helped lol- + she’s good generally at 3/5 I think
rigid pivot
My grass team is awful Lmao
stable storm
I just don’t know if I can beat nemona with just 1/5 nc rosa
depends on your other team mates
rigid pivot
Still stuck with damn 3/5 Sonia for my dps
stable storm
And I can’t beat MR ag all rn and I was wondering if Elaine could’ve helped lol-...
Elaine is 4/5 or nothing support iirc
or was it 5/5
rigid pivot
depends on your other team mates
My only realistic option is Ss lusamine/nc rosa/bianca
Cause my anni May is 1/5
She’s ex roled but just 1/5
rigid pivot
Elaine is 4/5 or nothing support iirc
Oh damn even in general? Wow
true lagoon
Elaine is 4/5 or nothing support iirc
pretty sure its 3/5
stable storm
lemme check
true lagoon
her 4/5 tiles are nice but 3/5 is where she becomes actually good
cuz her tm just does so much
stable storm
I'd still suggest saving rn either way
true lagoon
depending on the situation
true lagoon
I'd still suggest saving rn either way
well yeah but im jus saying elaine spikes the most at 3/5
rigid pivot
Because the base 1/5 is weaker on Elaine
But Rosa gets better stacks, more heal...
That’s what I thought compared to rosa who just gets potion refresh mainly but I’m not entirely sure after this
Dang I was about to 3/5 nc silver lol mainly for arc cythina and that I love t-tar but now that I think about it maybe I should wait idk
fading walrus
That’s what I thought compared to rosa who just gets potion refresh mainly but I...
I literally said Rosa gets overall better but ok
fading walrus
Anyway, I'd save
rigid pivot
Yeah fair enough
rigid pivot
Well I was thinking more as a general thing who to raise first but helping on the ult battles is a bonus
Oh I forgot thorton that’s another one I’ve always struggled on for some reason and I barley beat lol
snow spruce
Elaine is better in UBs as a tank (and for tanking in general), she also has Atk/SpAtk debuffs like Steven and Blue
Rosa is better in DC and has better damage boosting for 2 types (Psychic & Fighting)
so overall Elaine is better defensively, Rosa is better offensively
personally I would invest in neither and save the candies for now
You can give a Sprint cake to Rosa, it will be fine even at 1/5
snow spruce
Dang I was about to 3/5 nc silver lol mainly for arc cythina and that I love t-t...
unless NC Silver is a big favorite - dont do it just for Arc Cynthia. He is good with her, but not THAT good
SS Lear already kind of does the same thing better (aside from the sand extension)
and no doubt there will be another strong Ground dps/MF later thats much better with AS Cynthia, just purely by being a Ground type with Ground attacks
final yacht
maxie 
shrewd marten
maxie <:BarryPogChamp:718173426199560315>
The synergy goes hard
rigid pivot
You can give a Sprint cake to Rosa, it will be fine even at 1/5
She does have sprint and I already gave Elaine tech too (even tho that’s like…awful)
And there’s no way I’m going to get 4/5 arc Steven anytime soon tbf
And I don’t have blue
snow spruce
blue will rerun soon-ish
snow spruce
shame that Tosakin never did the Elaine-AS Cynthia-BT leon clear on MR 😦 that team would've been 12/12 at least for a short time until Nemona
neat needle
I hate this game. I need MP refresh for Geeta I’ll guide u or else it’s physically impossible to win. 1/3 chance and I’ve failed 3 times
rigid pivot
blue will rerun soon-ish
I am a bit worried that they haven’t reran irida and Adaman yet tho
So they aren’t gonna rerun last anni pairs anytime soon
fading walrus
I am a bit worried that they haven’t reran irida and Adaman yet tho
They're likely rerunning for Eevee day in 4 weeks
And then a month after, 4th Anni units MAYBE
rigid pivot
I completely forgot they had eeveelutions for a second Ngl lmao
tough sonnet
1/5 arc suits and 2/5 exrd ss diantha, is it possible?
shrewd marten
Use Bertha
tough sonnet
Use Bertha
Instead of who
shrewd marten
Diantha
shrewd marten
Yes?
frail kraken
Guys, how do i beat the allister costume battle?
stable tundra
you need to debuff his stats as many as possible
dusk notch
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dusk notch
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fading walrus
Btw that recording was done blind from a request so it's far from optimal
But you get the idea of how to proceed with those 2
nocturne arch
Has anyone did the battle challenge Halloween 2024? Do you think rain is the issue? Or it’s not a problem?
stable tundra
with a good team, rain is a non issue
true lagoon
i literally just ignored rain
stable tundra
but you are supposed to replace it
true lagoon
the problem is fluid fortification
neat needle
I FINALLY DID IT.
stable storm
gratz@neat needle
neat needle
gratz<@1064331560175812679>
Thanks I’m stuck between Evelyn, Masked Royale, and Thornton for my next one
formal matrix
You have Geeta, mask royale should be easy for you
gentle wharf
Geeta is the heavyDPS, just need an attack, special attack, and speed debuffer and an excellent defensive support and you’re all set
neat needle
Geeta is the heavyDPS, just need an attack, special attack, and speed debuffer a...
Arc Steven and Oleana:
This is what happens
stable storm
This is what happens
-
You realistically shouldn't be getting to sync 2
-
If you are getting to sync 2 then put vigilance on oleana and geeta
-
Send grids. Mr has wayyy too much hp left. That team should melt him.
neat needle
1. You realistically shouldn't be getting to sync 2
2. If you are getting to sy...
looking at the spreadsheets. Can I replace Janine for Oleana? or do i need Janine
stable storm
looking at the spreadsheets. Can I replace Janine for Oleana? or do i need Janin...
oleana is better but your geeta needs to be gridded correctly first
the Geeta grid can be improved a lot.I am sure the spreadsheets have her optimal grid but I can send an optimal grid myself as well if you want
neat needle
the Geeta grid can be improved a lot.I am sure the spreadsheets have her optimal...
could u do that?
stable storm
could u do that?
orchid bridge
Holy shit, after months of reset!!!!!! I fucking did it. Fuck you Nita!!!!!
neat needle
https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/29500/97000?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFC...
ty
neat needle
Holy shit, after months of reset!!!!!! I fucking did it. Fuck you Nita!!!!!
WE’RE BOTH TAKING W’S
neat needle
https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/29500/97000?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFC...
I DID IT FIRST TRY
stable storm
a proper grid helps a lot
neat needle
a proper grid helps a lot
yeah lol
and that wasnt even with poison gear either
i dont have any
snow spruce
what is the best ~UB oriented "10/5" new passive that Elaine or SS Mina could receive ?
stable storm
what is the best ~UB oriented "10/5" new passive that Elaine or SS Mina could re...
can we only choose from passives that already exist?
final yacht
what is the best ~UB oriented "10/5" new passive that Elaine or SS Mina could re...
elaine smth to clear wtz prob
doesn't make sense for a fucking eevee but you didnt ask for it to make sense 
warm haven
Offensive debuffs would skyrocket ss mina to the top 3
stable storm
if anything goes then lucky seven 9
warm haven
Yeah we don't know how strong the passives would be
final yacht
i just want ss hilbert to get hilbert's aim bcs it's funny
stable storm
imagine an unit with double drop aoe lucky seven 9
stable storm
i just want ss hilbert to get hilbert's aim bcs it's funny
why does he need to aim so much
low coral
Offensive debuffs would skyrocket ss mina to the top 3
A lot of supports could take the number 3 spot with that tbf
Offensive debuffs are just an extremely busted tool for supports
snow spruce
Maybe even number 2 spot 
stable storm
nc Rosa lucky seven 9 5/5 mf tile when
warm haven
no buffs to MFs, pokefairs will be the new meta
valid raft
Can't wait for Expanded Sync SS Korrina to overtake SSR Cynthia
formal matrix
They never said they won’t buff MFs, the wording doesn’t exclude that
fading walrus
That's the wording for pokefairs
In every letter
Pokefairs might get some form of boost next Anni, doubt before
formal matrix
No, if you look at the tile for master fair and arc fair, they are also fair-exclusive (apply to Japanese and Chinese as far as I know). They have applied to pokefairs only doesn’t mean it is only for pokefair
valid raft
That's the wording for pokefairs
Fair-exclusive means pokefairs only? I guess Master fair and Arc fair doesn't exist I suppose
And having 5/5 grids on arc fair units means nothing too
onyx cedar
Fair-exclusive means pokefairs only? I guess Master **fair** and Arc **fair** do...
Fair-exclusive has always meant "poké fair" sadly... I still hope for Master/Arc fairs to get stuff... but in the long future
the 4 and 5 dupe tiles were named like that too, iirc
fading walrus
Fair-exclusive means pokefairs only? I guess Master **fair** and Arc **fair** do...
I don't make the rules
DeNa always used the term "fair exclusive" for pokefairs for some reason
And to be fair arc fairs 5/5 is inherently different from a normal 5/5
low coral
Fair-exclusive has always meant "poké fair" sadly... I still hope for Master/Arc...
Masters should get something already imo
5/5 already were to balance PFs with them, I would say, and now they're getting another buff
While Arcs already debuted with one more passive compared to Masters on top of 5/5 nodes that cost 0 energy
stable storm
what major teams rn use pfs?
paper mural
SS Mina + Oleana + SS Roxie. The only team without any mf/arc that can clear all ubs. (might be blocked by ub Nemona tho)
true lagoon
it is definitely blocked by nemona
cant be status'd cant be debuffed
you also just die if eterrain ever goes up
valid raft
you also just die if eterrain ever goes up
Can't Roxie just replace their perma ET with her temporary ET?
true lagoon
its way too limited
nemona has et every sync and at 60%
and the sides have unlimited too
also rebuff is only once
and trap wont work without eterrain not existing
valid raft
and trap wont work without eterrain not existing
You mean confusion
true lagoon
no i mean trap
she has grounding wire
and charged immunity
like you literally cant win
valid raft
She only has Grounding Wire
true lagoon
oh
valid raft
She doesn't have Charged Immunity
true lagoon
but still she cleanses rebuff after her sync and i dont think you can presync nemona with that comp
valid raft
Grounding Wire is to prevent her gimmick of negative status change
valid raft
but still she cleanses rebuff after her sync and i dont think you can presync ne...
Definitely not, but it's RNG heavy with Flabbergast from SS Mina
paper mural
You only need to change ET 2 times if you can successfully make 60% hp and post 1st sync overlap and beat her before 2nd sync.
valid raft
You can technically grid Roxie for ET MPR
In case you're facing the left side after Nemona dies
stable storm
Definitely not, but it's RNG heavy with Flabbergast from SS Mina
2 ets aren't enough to for all the perma ets and surviving nemo is also very hard
stable storm
You can technically grid Roxie for ET MPR
will you be able to survive nemo tho
valid raft
will you be able to survive nemo tho
If you replace the perma ET with the temporary ET, yes
At the start that is
valid raft
flabberghast rng being needed is already bad enough
Well, you also have to face ET MPR RNG
paper mural
I thought someone said "Rng is the life of gacha".
valid raft
nemo also has healing under et
Does it matter at the beginning when you're setting up?
valid raft
Also, you can use Oleana's G-Max Malodor at the beginning and use Venom Drench to lower their offensive stats to at least mitigate the damage
And poison will be permanent since they don't have Charged Immunity/Antitoxin
stable storm
idt poison survives nemo
valid raft
And Nemona doesn't have Team Sync Cure too
stable storm
Also, you can use Oleana's G-Max Malodor at the beginning and use Venom Drench t...
they have charged immunity
well a side does
true lagoon
i mean the problem is that mina wont be able to keep up with the debuffs
valid raft
they have charged immunity
No they don't, they only have Grounding Wire
true lagoon
and they have brainteaser and team power induction 17
stable storm
nemo being immune to stat drops under et is the biggest worry
stable storm
No they don't, they only have Grounding Wire
let me pull up a picture
valid raft
nemo being immune to stat drops under et is the biggest worry
Oh yeah, no Venom Drench then
stable storm
Oh yeah, no Venom Drench then
what does friend care 9 do again
valid raft
what does friend care 9 do again
Cure negative status change that isn't rebuff when using a TM
stable storm
not rebuff
stable storm
Cure negative status change that isn't rebuff when using a TM
does that include poison?
because nemo sides also have that
stable storm
so confusion will be constantly cleared
yeah idt poison beats this. Charged immunity is too rough
valid raft
Negative Status Change = Confusion, trap, restrain and rebuff
valid raft
yeah idt poison beats this. Charged immunity is too rough
You mean Grounding Wire
true lagoon
not to mention nemona just completely murders you in terrain
valid raft
Charged Immunity is status cond immunity, Grounding Wire is negative status change immunity (except rebuff)
true lagoon
170% team buff and brainteaser and the multiplicative buff to electric damage
valid raft
Let's see if Electric Guard will save the day
stable storm
You mean Grounding Wire
I am talking about the immunity to stat drops under et one
true lagoon
it definitely will not lmfao
valid raft
I am talking about the immunity to stat drops under et one
Ah that
stable storm
team electric current
valid raft
Yes, Team Electric Current
stable storm
ss Roxie won't be nuking much and oleana won't be debuffing
nemo will cleanse rebuff
true lagoon
both of their nukes are debuff dependent arent they
stable storm
be immune to confusion under et
stone scarab
Cure negative status change that isn't rebuff when using a TM
Friend Care is interference specifically, so not Rebuff or Restrain
valid raft
Rebuff I know, but yeah, I remember restrain not being cured just now
stable storm
nemo will slaughter anything that doesn't properly remove her terrain. Maybe steel team has a chance but that's also very unlikely
true lagoon
thats what ive been saying the entire time
you just die to her brute force damage alone
stable storm
Let's see if Electric Guard will save the day
nemo also drops all defenses rapidly
true lagoon
i was literally taking like 400 from her in br with ultra jelly and 3x theme boost
its bad
stable storm
you can't kill her fast enough to pre sync
valid raft
nemo also drops all defenses rapidly
She only drops defensive stats by 1 per hit
true lagoon
which is fast
valid raft
But she has Discharge
stable storm
your defenses will start falling down fast so you won't have as much dr
ss mina can keep up but not enough to keep defenses maxed
valid raft
Roxie and Mina can give +3 defensive stats to the team
stable storm
discharge under et will also nuke ss roxie
170% damage boost
your speed will also constantly drop
valid raft
Mina because of debut fairy zone and Rain Dance and SS Roxie because of ET
stable storm
After sync your rebuff will be cleansed
so not only will you lose a mult but nemo will also require to be constantly confused
valid raft
I think Mina can survive the Thunder Punch with the DRs like Electric Guard and Rain Gear
stable storm
nemo also has healing under et so you will lose a lot of damage
can ss roxie survive the discharge tho
valid raft
But the Wild Charge from the right side will be painful
stable storm
I am more worried about Roxie
valid raft
can ss roxie survive the discharge tho
If fairy zone is active and Roxie has Electric Guard, maybe
stable storm
the damage will also be low
valid raft
Because Mina has team special damage reduction under fairy zone
stable storm
it's not just surviving 1-2 discharge
valid raft
Nemona does Swift as her 2nd move on the 1st rotation, and while it still has the Team Power Induction boost, it won't be boosted by ET due to not being innately electric
valid raft
Not to mention you also have the team fairy zone special DR from Mina
stable storm
nemo will turn off half your multipliers and constantly heal and become invincible if no status change
valid raft
And also the Sp. Def. buff from her passive
true lagoon
Nemona does Swift as her 2nd move on the 1st rotation, and while it still has th...
which is still 170% boosted
valid raft
which is still 170% boosted
Extremely weak BP
And like I said, Team Whimsical Special DR 3 from Mina will help
stable storm
surviving is already hard but idt there will be enough damage
nemo also has constant speed debuffs
valid raft
Nemona has no speed debuffs
stable storm
Nemona has no speed debuffs
charged speed drain 9:
valid raft
Ah that
stable storm
so gauge will also be not ideal
valid raft
Well that means you'll also need TM MPR on Roxie
stable storm
will you have energy for damage tiles
you will also need to save oleana max move for post sync
valid raft
charged speed drain 9:
Oh at 4/5 Roxie has speed buff for the team whenever one of your units sets up a field
Also, you can get even more DR with skill gear
stable storm
Still don't think there will be enough damage
valid raft
Still don't think there will be enough damage
I think the skill gear will matter here
There are 2 ways to go about it:
- Use CS2 on the DDs and focus your gear on damage reduction
- Use Electric Guard and focus your skill gear on damage
stable storm
even if you get the fabled 45% damage boost you aren't surviving nemo
Nemo has too much dr and hits too hard
valid raft
Nemo has too much dr and hits too hard
She only has DR for moves
valid raft
cuz no special defense debuffs
The poison can't be cured so as soon as the ET goes down, Roxie can lower their Sp. Def
stable storm
When et goes down nemo syncs and brings it back up
valid raft
Which by then she'll have -6 Sp. Def.
stable storm
that's some heavy copium
true lagoon
have you actually played nemona
valid raft
Actually, she'll have -4
stable storm
poison will get crushed by nemo
true lagoon
because shes insanely ridiculous if terrain ever stays up
valid raft
because shes insanely ridiculous if terrain ever stays up
I do wonder how much DR you have on your skill gear
stable storm
Actually, she'll have -4
et will run out right before nemo sync so -2 at most
true lagoon
I do wonder how much DR you have on your skill gear
why would i optimize gears for a team i dont have for a ub that isnt even an actual thing yet
stable storm
Dr won't save you for long enough considering how long nemo will stay
true lagoon
like even in rally nemona is extremely ass
stable storm
have you considered her healing
valid raft
Also, this is where you take advantage of the ridiculously long animation of the B Move
Like SS Roxie and SS Mina
To make the field wear off faster
Oleana uses her max move to poison everyone and that enables Roxie's B Move
stable storm
Nemo will heal most of it back
valid raft
have you actually tried nemona
Once without boost at very hard
Had the counters for her, but no boost means death for my ASSerola
true lagoon
it was not meant for acerola either
valid raft
it was not meant for acerola either
Oh that I know
stable storm
Nemo will halve ss Roxie's sync and heal it all back
also the sides are monsters as well
valid raft
Well, if ET is out, then you replace fairy zone for poison zone for more damage
And if ET goes back up again, then you'd need to sync with Mina
stable storm
it's not that simple in practice
stable storm
And if ET goes back up again, then you'd need to sync with Mina
et will stay up for most of the battle
valid raft
it's not that simple in practice
Well, it's not simple anyways since it's RNG heavy too
stable storm
it's not just heavily rng, but also impossible
stable storm
nemo in et is too strong to brute force
true lagoon
and i doubt you can even get close to living
cuz she just says no to anything that could possibly weaken her
stable storm
if only nemo didn't have electric current
valid raft
and i doubt you can even get close to living
Stalling the temporary ET as much as possible
stable storm
she sets et very often
stable storm
also what will you do after your rebuff is gone
flabbergast won't work post sync cuz et is set again
valid raft
Hmmmm, then I guess it's time to gamble on Oleana's Gunk Shot poisoning
stable storm
Hmmmm, then I guess it's time to gamble on Oleana's Gunk Shot poisoning
yeah you will need to save max move for post sync and you also have to avoid her getting to sync 2
valid raft
Gunk Shot poison to unlock Roxie's B Move and use the B Move animation to stall the temporary ET as much as possible
And also, you can try to potentially overlap the threshold ET along with Power Plant
Like Nemona reaches 60% HP and activates ET and she syncs from there to reactivate it, that's the time to use Roxie's temporary ET
true lagoon
have fun surviving that
valid raft
have fun surviving that
Actually, that's wrong. It's supposed to be Nemona syncing without ET, and then Power Plant triggers, then you push the 60% threshold and that's when you overlap it
stable storm
Actually, that's wrong. It's supposed to be Nemona syncing without ET, and then ...
I doubt 60% will be pushable right after sync 1
snow spruce
what major teams rn use pfs?
Elaine + AS Cynthia + BT leon has done 11/11 (and should be able to do 12/12)
will also be blocked by Nemona tho
BT Leons "10/5" passive could potentially be big for all UB team clears.
But somehow I feel it will be a nothingburger
wooden parcel
how do you beat the costume battle show and the
ultimate battles
this is the only sync pairs i have
mental jasper
Those are more endgame oriented content, I'm not sure your account is quite ready to tackle them yet
mental jasper
you've done all permanently available content save UBs?
certain costume battles may be possible depending on the particular antigimmicks and what counters you have, but I'm noticing a lack of Piercing Blows pairs with stat bonus or pairs matching the required antigimmicks that I remember
rotund oasis
how do you beat the costume battle show and the
For the Costume Battle Show, against Fall Iono/Fall Shauntal/Fall Klara (3x Ghost Weakness); You'll need to debuff their SP.DEF a lot, and give them all Rebuff/Restrain since they have a No Negative Status Change : Damage Reduction.
Recommended to use Galar Pairs, Paldea Pairs and Seasonals.
wooden parcel
you've done all permanently available content save UBs?
yes except claiming the gems from sync pair stories
high harbor
besides irida, who else can help against nita? I saw a team with egg lapras
stable tundra
NC Cheren and SS N also check her speed buffing somewhat effectively
You can go through the list of documented clears
fast pendant
SS N isn't particularly great at it since he does once every 3 turns
stable tundra
Most of his clears are with Irida, aren't they? 
fast pendant
His debuffing isn't enough so would need a weather and speed debuffer still
Or weather and st flinch for denial
jade grotto
Wondering who was the intended teams for masked royale and Evelyn
For masked royale I guess Geeta + oleana
For Evelyn what fairy type keeps debuffing atk spatk and spdef?
shrewd marten
For Evelyn what fairy type keeps debuffing atk spatk and spdef?
Well you don’t really need attack debuff buuuut
Gladion and nemona are both rapid debuffers
Add in a penny and you’re gucci
fast pendant
SS wally debuffs atk, spatk and sp.def as well
warm haven
MR is oleana + Geeta and Evelyn is Wally
jade grotto
Well you don’t really need attack debuff buuuut
Doesn't they have a passive that just kills you if they'll ever get into positive attack spatk or spdef? Or I read it wrong?
shrewd marten
I don’t remember if it has brawn sync 9?
It might but either way like the big thing is spatk cuz it’s lister purge hurts like hell
true lagoon
MR is oleana + Geeta and Evelyn is Wally
evelyn is glad and penny
true lagoon
Doesn't they have a passive that just kills you if they'll ever get into positiv...
thats only on dragapult
evelyn has sharpened mind 9
warm haven
evelyn is glad and penny
Penny and glad can't stop the turn 1 sharpened mind 9 luster purge
Wally has disc 2 and with bmove is a total of -8 sp atk and -4 atk (needed for dragapult too)
true lagoon
isnt discombobulate accuracy or spdef
true lagoon
when are we getting a tickle sync pair
neat needle
Hey sorry to bother but could someone send me the most F2P teams for this? I cant get on my PC atm
stone scarab
Penny and glad can't stop the turn 1 sharpened mind 9 luster purge
I mean, Fleur Cannon debuffs spatk by 2, so they can
Its not ideal
true lagoon
or just get someone with protect/initial guard
fading walrus
Or go for pot mpr reset
jade grotto
Personally I used Bede + NC blue + SS gladion
For masked royale I used Geeta + arc Steven + oleana
high harbor
NC Cheren and SS N also check her speed buffing somewhat effectively
I see
though my nc cheren is 1/5
formal matrix
Flint OP
jaunty light
flint sweeps red
formal matrix
Did you use that 12 energy for the cs1 node tho?
formal matrix
I believe there is a nc leaf ss Morty duo on the doc for thorton, so the third pair probably doesn’t matter 
shrewd marten
I believe there is a nc leaf ss Morty duo on the doc for thorton, so the third p...
Yeep
jade grotto
I believe there is a nc leaf ss Morty duo on the doc for thorton, so the third p...
Wulfric beating an UB
valid onyx
http://youtube.com/post/UgkxBVX-2rCAdk6oWKntwXZfmcNZY7XfB61e?si=zWjxO5eHv7u2G7xX
Omg Flint cleared UB 
paper mural
The other 2 can duo it so it's just Flint tag along.
stable tundra
There is also a clear of that duo with sup Fuecoco
buoyant ice
so… they added kukui… how bad is this fight? 
by bas i mean is it like huge rng or requires oleana? xd
buoyant ice
sounds horrible but made for geeta, hopefully i dont spend that many tries on it
ty for the info
true lagoon
sounds horrible but made for geeta, hopefully i dont spend that many tries on it...
it is
geeta and oleana specifically
valid raft
Oleana because of the buffs they do
buoyant ice
consistently btw
in case anyone struggles with this… units remove poison consistently after their turn so found it best to wait until enemy is using their turn, and during that time you que your poison move (+ venom drench if ur using f2p ariados) so u can always guarantee poisoning the enemy
rotund oasis
geeta and oleana specifically
geeta + janine works.
with 1/5 arc steven .-.;
geeta needs to be really lucky with her -2 poisoned stats drop
jaunty light
geeta needs to be really lucky with her -2 poisoned stats drop
yeah ive had runs with that team that put kukui at 10% and then failing the run
rigid pivot
👀
I uh might be screwed for when this releases since those sides have SO MUCH HP
And this is with triple boost too
snow spruce
not really, that team should beat Nemona. Maybe not easily, but they should
especially if your Rosa is 3/5 and can actually buff defences
rigid pivot
not really, that team should beat Nemona. Maybe not easily, but they should
espe...
Mines 1/5 atm
Same with May
I guess Bianca but idk how much better that’ll be
fast pendant
that looks like super early in the battle
wasn't that your 1st sync
she still had super effective up
rigid pivot
Yeah
This is rally of course so everything doing way more damage
Also yeah good freaking luck to those who want to try and non terrian this with zones ☠️
Steel team will probs find a way because Steven is bs but
snow spruce
nah steel team will get destroyed too before even reaching Nemonas first sync
true lagoon
its just not possible lmfao
snow spruce
this is much much worse than sun anabel
true lagoon
i dont think you can brute force this ub in any capacity
the actual gimmicks are not too bad but holy shit nemona just kills you if terrain is ever up for more than 5 seconds
rigid pivot
Also I noticed playijg this-if nemona dies first the sides instantly put up terrian again
So you need it at least 3-4 times
Unless you plan to live pasa 2nd sync then 5
snow spruce
Steven - Cynthia - Mix red is probably the only chance of having a 13/13 team. And you still have to time your terrains very carefully (and kill sides first)
and have 4/5 Steven and probably 5/5 Cynthia for this
rigid pivot
I uh might be screwed for when this releases since those sides have SO MUCH HP
The debuffs from mid are going to really screw me with this I feel
Because lusamine is just going to take so much from brain teaser in sync or whatever
lunar sedge
rigid pivot
She has peircing blows too? Lmao
valid raft
The debuffs from mid are going to really screw me with this I feel
Save one of Rosa's rebuff for last
rigid pivot
How would I even do that though
calm sand
she doesn't have Piercing Blows as far as I know
stable tundra
You don't need to, just spam Teeter Dance after she syncs
Unless she has Clearheaded passive
true lagoon
she has grounding wire
snow spruce
she doesnt have PB, but sync ignores endures
true lagoon
so it should be fine
rigid pivot
You don't need to, just spam Teeter Dance after she syncs
Wouldn’t you get completely screwed on guage + debuffs from mid though?
Anni May has field ex role which gives me 3 psychic terrains but it’s hard to time
rigid pivot
Also teeter dance still makes them get rebuff
stable tundra
Only for the first time
true lagoon
the problem is just making rosa survive
stable tundra
And that fighting debuff also gets erased when she syncs
rigid pivot
Yeah but rosa can’t apply to them again-I guess you can confuse them I think? But it can go away at any time
And lusamine might take too much damage she’s not that tanky
valid raft
You can still inflict negative status change with Rosa via Teeter Dance
Just as long as you remove ET
Rosa can technically permanently stay in Pirouette Form and spam Teeter Dance
rigid pivot
but then wouldnt you defenses get debuffed too much?
Like this is with the rally boost and that still almost did 300 to lusamine
and then after may syncs-thats it thats my last terrian
also I checked nemona only has lessen confusion 5
instead of like 8 or 9
still rng for when it goes away but
rigid pivot
she doesnt have PB, but sync ignores endures
ohhh wow it just deletes i guess lol
valid raft
Yeah, sync moves always ignore endure
Unless it's a passive sinilar to Hugh's
Max moves also ignore endure
valid raft
I do wonder what your skill gear is
rigid pivot
im still working on skill gear and how it works admitttly
valid raft
That can be pretty crucial especially when you have 2 transforming units
Transforming units that gains extra stats when they sync
rigid pivot
i see
valid raft
BTW, does Stoic and Force Field still work even if the move fails?
rigid pivot
uhh let me see
valid raft
Because Rosa can still counter Nemona's debuff gimmick by just spamming Teeter Dance only
If so
rigid pivot
Doesn’t seem like it
valid raft
Doesn’t seem like it
Try with Teeter Dance
valid raft
oh wait a second you meant the one at 3/5 oops
rigid pivot
I unfortantly do not have the means (yet) of testing that
and i was shown i should save my support candies for now
valid raft
Because Rosa's Team Stoic and Force Field are unrestricted. Which means that you can probably infinitely trigger both of those passives with Teeter Dance unless I'm misunderstanding how those passives worj
rigid pivot
maybe someone else can test that?
small basin
Stoic and forcefield still proc if the move fails yes
"when its Pokémon uses a move" vs "move against it is successful"
snow spruce
Did we ever have any Ice team (Irida-NC Red) MR clear with Chase/Cynthia/Blue?
nocturne nacelle
Hi I need help with masked royal UB I tried this team but my garbodor is 2/5 only and I need it 3/5 and dont know if theres a way to beat it.Any recomendatios are welcome
Best try so far :
fading walrus
As the person who did that clear: you definitely need 3/5
Oak is a budget option tho
So if you have any premium limited support it's gonna probably be better
nocturne nacelle
Ok
rigid pivot
I do wonder what your skill gear is
Here’s some I was able to get but idk if these are good or what since it’s all rng
fast pendant
You should make sure everyone in the team gets the stats, otherwise it's not great
rigid pivot
oh everyone? huh
mental jasper
at the very least prioritize your primary damage dealer getting the offensive stats and your primary tank getting the defensive ones, if you don't reroll skill gear a lot it can be a bit difficult to get a full set with good stats
fast pendant
It can be harder for other teams but that one is like just psychic
fading walrus
Ideally you'd want the pin to either help your support or both your damage units
rigid pivot
well i got villian + 2 psychic boosting ones so thats why i kept that one
fast pendant
There's a champion one not psychic
Getting 3 psychic would be very straight forward, mono teams are pretty easy to get decent gear
rigid pivot
Well then the issue comes with getting good boost too
Boosts
For example here I got psychic but those boosts are awful
fast pendant
the 25 hp is better on everyone than the 2% dmg reduction on rosa alone
25 hp on a 900 hp unit is 2.7% hp increase which by itself is better than 2% dmg reduction
gentle wharf
Alright with Irida coming this month Nita better watch out haha
paper mural
SS Mina gets rain extension and team vigilance under rain; Oleana gets -3 cd for awakening passive.
Will these help them to potentially beat UB Nemona?
snow spruce
no lmao, not without a terrain remover (not SS roxie, but an actual remover)
stable storm
Poison got a giant buff
jaunty light
out of all the runs that my fairy wish doesnt proc mpr
snow spruce
so nothing in this update helps vs Nemonas terrain, right ?
low coral
Victor does get Grassy Terrain
snow spruce
Oh true. Actually even 2 terrains:
Powers up the user’s max move when its Attack is raised. Turns the field of play’s terrain into Grassy Terrain the first time the user enters a battle each battle. Turns the field of play’s terrain into Grassy Terrain after using the user’s G-Max Drum Solo.
kek my first thought was - if he has 2 terrains like Mix Red, can Arc Duo + Victor clear 13/13 UBs with that ? (they cant since no one has status condition)
warm haven
you could change steven for blue
The pair that i expect the most for UBs is Avery
With just sync burst he would a allow way more teams to beat all UBs
snow spruce
True, but no one has bothered to do any major UB clears with NC Blue + AS Cynthia. Even though it should be workable-ish.
snow spruce
With just sync burst he would a allow way more teams to beat all UBs
Which ones (besides the mentioned NC Blue + Arc Cynthia)?
Its not like its easy to just randomly splash him into some non-psychic team and expect to clear 12-13 UBs. Your other dps would need to be AS Cynthia level of dmg carry, which is .. only AS Cynthia so far
and Nita is always a problem
warm haven
most likely the electric duo could
Nita would be easy as avery wont let her buff her speed and has damage guard to protect red
Avery removes Nemonas terrain for a while and in the right moment red nukes
paper mural
I hope to see NC Blue + SST Red + SS Emmet do sth differently in ubs.
warm haven
The only problems are Noland and Palmer but for that demend on avery getting more damage/utility passives
fading walrus
I hope to see NC Blue + SST Red + SS Emmet do sth differently in ubs.
I mean that's kinda just a celesa + rat + zapdos team but with flinch, less debuffs and more pmun no?
snow spruce
Nemona is a joke with Avery yes
idk if Nita would be that easy as you think even with the buff block. Especially with ground weakness on Red. And nc blue being not nearly as good on her as Steven
and yeah Noland too
warm haven
Wdym blue is not as good for nita as steven
fading walrus
ST flinch, sterner stuff 2, potion spam
snow spruce
60% flinch >> 30% Aoe flinch
and Steven has endures for extra living
fading walrus
And yeah you can rely on endures for the post sync eq
warm haven
Yeah but blue debuffs sides atks better
and flinch are not that needed as nita wont buff her speed thanks to avery
stable storm
Avery will also get 10/5
if he gets b move mp refresh team healing and dr under circle he's gonna do some insane stuff
warm haven
that's what i hope he gets
We were always wondering why he got only 1 use and that might be the reason
fading walrus
and flinch are not that needed as nita wont buff her speed thanks to avery
ST Flinch definitely makes clears much more manageable
Look at the NC Bianca SSN clears
paper mural
I mean that's kinda just a celesa + rat + zapdos team but with flinch, less debu...
Also contributeing dps dmg, circle help boosting and tanking dmg and st flinch.
fading walrus
Well I also don't think his nuke is as good as elesas, and light screen is a factor to consider too
paper mural
Why should the nuke matter when sstr is right there?
You either only sync once for et or just never sync.
fading walrus
Then why not use SS piers
chilly dawn
So the new UB this month is Nemona, I presume?
true lagoon
nemona the rat killer
chilly dawn
Who was she angled at again, ss lana and...?
valid raft
Who was she angled at again, ss lana and...?
NC Rosa
valid raft
But SS Lana and NC Rosa are the gimmick checkers, Lear will be the main damage dealer
valid raft
I mean OG Lear
chilly dawn
Oh
valid raft
Fuck
chilly dawn
... Another unit I don't have
I'm basically hoping I can slam through with SS Lana, SS Steven and probably Arc Steven
valid raft
I'm basically hoping I can slam through with SS Lana, SS Steven and probably Arc...
Arc Steven's sync should be saved after Nemona syncs
chilly dawn
Yeah, second rebuff and all
fading walrus
Sslana can most likely carry alone as long as you can make work with rebuff checking and using a good enough support.
valid raft
Technically you can infinitely reapply confusion on Nemona with Teeter Dance
snow spruce
so does SS Minas SA passive change anything for her UB clears ?
-Flood Alert 3
-1 extra zone
- team crit immune in rain (although this is a passive like vigilance - so it wont work vs PB .. meaning you still need crit shield vs Palmers PB)
i guess doesnt change much .. maybe less need to give your dps vigilance
low coral
Personally, I felt it was kinda overreacted, Flood Alert 3 is the best one out of those
But people were praising crit immunity...on the unit that was praised for having crit shield
shrewd marten
Maybe they thought it was crit shield immunity
Flood alert is also kinda meh useful cuz she’s a rain unit second tbh
rigid sonnet
hello
currently
I'm being sandbagged by the challenge battle here
it's not even on hard
I think
rotund oasis
which battle in particular?
rotund oasis
you need to debuff their SP.DEF
rigid sonnet
But he's really the only one I think I can use here
well there is that
Allister can do SP Deff debuff
rotund oasis
you also need to apply Rebuff/Restrain for all opponents.
rigid sonnet
he does Restrain as well with his G-Max Terror
applies Restrain effect on all sync pairs
valid raft
Why isn't Anni Lillie 2024 EX-ed?
rigid sonnet
atm I feel, Hop needs to be swapped and Bede
lmfao
uhh lemme see
oh well
I need moar of the thingies ;_;
valid raft
Ah, that one
rotund oasis
i dont think you can clear this battle. its a bit... tough.
valid raft
I guess you have her tickets, but no champion spirits
rigid sonnet
I would've been like "sure I could use Dawn and Cresselia to bump me up with the defense and special defense up boost"
But she can't take a hit here
Or so I've experienced lol
rigid sonnet
Well yeah nopp, or wait Hummm
I put this on Lillie
This look good??
Or would you guys recommend something different?
stable tundra
that is good
rigid sonnet
Okie
rigid sonnet
Unless it has Sinnoh boost
Does she do something like that?
stable tundra
check her region theme skill out
valid raft
Does she do something like that?
Check the theme boost of the battle
valid raft
If you click on the battle, there's an arrow at the very bottom at the left
stable tundra
i believe the Iono stage has Galar and Paldea theme skill
each stage has different region boosts
valid raft
Yeah, that's why your SS Dawn is dying
rigid sonnet
Galar, Paldea, and Seasonal
rigid sonnet
Yeah, that's why your SS Dawn is dying
Oh yeah I figured
valid raft
No boost
stable tundra
Seasonal outfit theme skill is activated on all stages, hence Anni Lillie is great
rigid sonnet
She sometimes is able to tank those hits funny enough, but 2nd target that is. Not first
jaunty light
yipeee
fading walrus
Based janine
slate light
based janine
rigid pivot
Actually now that I think about it I wonder if this team I have will be able to do nemona
Maybe not cause nemona’s damage won’t be enough but hm it’s a thought
snow spruce
theoretically yes, practically probably not
rigid pivot
I have ss acerloa for grass but my grass types are awful rn so I wouldn’t be able to offtype with Grass unless I pulled Adaman
formal matrix
Don’t they need more than 1 rebuff?
rigid pivot
You can confuse them too
formal matrix
For Nemona battle if you don’t end quick enough
rigid pivot
They have lessen confusion 5
snow spruce
just use OG Bianca for terrain, she can even tank somewhat
mental jasper
yes, Nemona clears rebuff at 60%
rigid pivot
And at sync
rigid pivot
I can test it if you want I have the stage in very hard rally rn
I’m waiting until the 1st to finish it
mental jasper
ah see I hit 60% and right after that she synced so for me it was at the same time
rigid pivot
just use OG Bianca for terrain, she can even tank somewhat
Isn’t she better a special tank than physical? Wouldn’t you instantly die to nemona sync (or at least take a LOT of damage)
marble portal
1/5 EX FShauntal 3/5 EXR SS N 2/5 EXR AS Steven clear vs Argenta
high harbor
I think hilbert glaceon can be a replacement for irida against nita, he has icy wind to reduce speed, noxious hit 9 to reduce atk and sp atk and stupefying 9 to reduce sp def, but you gotta toxic 3 times so all 3 opponents get the noxious hit debuffs
the only issue is he doesnt replace sandstorm with hail
stable storm
replacing sandstorm isn't something that can really be replaced
high harbor
still, I can see clears with him, nc red and someone else
stable storm
when is nemo dropping
valid raft
New UBs usually drop on the 2nd week of the month
paper mural
Only dragon, steel, bug and ghost left.
stable storm
8 huh
formal matrix
From battle rally enter page we know Dana is an opponent
Probably regice for steel weak
stable storm
Probably regice for steel weak
December ub maybe
I want her gimmick to be constant debuffs, starus conds and inflictions and a bunch of endures with 990k hp and 1 recover at 50%(stunnable with reseliance extension 9) with synchro healing 2
low af damage
but a bunch of healing and bulk
would be a fun ub
would also fit the steel type theme
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It'll be weird if only Morgan doesn't have ub when other 3 sisters have one.
So the candidate of left opponents are: Dana, Morgan, Red, Ingo and Emmet.
stable storm
And what about Greta?
new easiest ub
if greta gets poison as her 10/5 ARC duo+greta could be an all ub clear team
that would be horrifying
stable tundra
i think they will repeat types when 17 types are finished
stable storm
normal weak ub when
valid raft
stable tundra
Only dragon, steel, bug and ghost left.
Dragon: Morgan/Latias
Steel: Dana/Regice or Registeel or Regirock, Dahlia/Togekiss
Bug: Red/Espeon (
)
Ghost: Red/Espeon, Dahlia/Dusknoir or Medicham
stone scarab
Bug cant be breloom, fighting resists
stable tundra
oops
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Some ppl think Ingo and Emmet can both use Haxorus and weak to Dragon.
stone scarab
Bug could also potentially be Dahlia and Ludicolo
stable tundra
it seems 1 or 2 battle facility heads have to be left out within 17 weaknesses
stone scarab
I mean, yeah
formal matrix
Bug weak UB will spam fissure like crazy and require you to use lusamine tank
stone scarab
I can think of 20 notable bosses just in the span of 30 seconds so there were always gonna be a few left out
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Giovanni stole other battle facility heads' spot.
stable tundra
tbf he appeared in Battle Agency, but no one remembers it
shut trellis
I stopped at where you catch 2 blacephelon or stataka in usum.
I still only beat ubs in rally
valid raft
I'm just curious what will happen if all 17 UB types are done
What content will they do next?
stable tundra
they either start repeating types, or stop releasing more stages
formal matrix
Remember back then LA was hard and people have to use multiple teams to clear it. Then 14 LAs cover all 17 weaknesses and appears in legendary gauntlet as the game power level goes up. We can certainly have UB gauntlet at some point
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Technically LG happend WAY before LAs cover all 17 types.
upper crypt
@floral crypt i must thank you for the blueprints
lunar sedge
Ough
fading walrus
I mean I tried that team (3/5 all) on day one of Evelyn and got to Evelyn 5% hp, sides 30% hp
But sadly the luster purge become too strong eventually
radiant edge
Yeah the SA5 passives make SS Mina become a huge tank lol
fading walrus
It's definitely feasible with good enough gear and just one or two of them at 5/5
The 1.1x stats + 150 hps on supports is so crazy
floral crypt
<@691651945936715849> i must thank you for the blueprints
Happy to see it
hard lantern
Is 3/5 ss mina really valuable for UBs? I still haven't cleared Nita, Noland, Gio, and MR. Would she help in those?
I know that she can nullify at least 1 instant kill from noland
dark dust
Nita - she can clear the Sandstorm, although as I haven't cleared it yet idk how much she needs
Noland - B Protect against Earthquake (would want another to tank Fissure)
Gio - Fairy Zone/Rain to counter one gimmick. Another required to counter the TM
Idk about MR
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Tosakinto said that just stat wise 9/5 SS Mina can be tankier than Arc Steven. (Not considering healing passive or so; just raw stat)
hard lantern
idt i want to woke her
dim lance
Mina is currently the anchor a variety of teams for fairy, poison, water and flying
I'd say she's not as easy to use as say, Blue and Steven for results, but she provides one of if not the best defensive backbone in the game
Idt you should woke her, noting that the person who popularized the paradigm himself doesn't want to woke her
mostly due to the Argenta matchup
hard lantern
Mina is currently the anchor a variety of teams for fairy, poison, water and fly...
fairy and water i get, but why poison and flying?
snow spruce
skipping Minas passive just because of Argenta is kinda wild lmao
it IS worth it overall, extension + 1 more fairy zone + easier crit immune when if you need it after the boss buffs crit
dim lance
Mina covers some gimmick bases that no other support does while compressing other tools
dim lance
skipping Minas passive just because of Argenta is kinda wild lmao
it IS worth it...
That's what he's decided to do
he's now waiting for Roxie and SSN to get theirs for war crimes
It's notable that within the context of her current comps it's not that impactful anyway
hard lantern
Idt you should woke her, noting that the person who popularized the paradigm him...
who's that?
dim lance
Tosakinto
Water does not struggle to kill within the duration with Dahlia, while water is also the only type that wants rain as a form of maintained weather, rather than as a cleanse for something like Anabel and Nita
meaning the main reason you'd take the awakening at all is unironically just the statline
snow spruce
SS Roxie and SS N 10/5's probably wont allow those teams with SS Mina to clear any more UBs than they already have now (12/12 and 11/12)
Nemona still stops everyone
dim lance
ths mostly gives him less variance concerns against slower Palmer comps that he likes to do
Nemona in general will put a stop to the full clear paradigm
unless something actually succeeds in it
unless Lear/Avery brutes through the duration, I highly doubt they can do it too
since you need at least 3 pterrain sets, afaik?
snow spruce
no, 2 is enough
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Lear Avery didnt have a one team clear all using the same third anyway.
snow spruce
also wdym by Lear/Avery ?
Lear+Avery+NC Rosa team can easily beat Nemona, but they havent done Leon, Noland, MR
dim lance
I thought Lear Avery did do Leon
snow spruce
I thought Lear Avery did do Leon
with nc blue I'm pretty sure. not with NC Rosa
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The current guess is that only Arc duo + Mix Red and/or Avery will stay.
snow spruce
Arc Cynthia - Mix Red - Arc Steven yeah, they have the best shot at 13/13
Arc Duo + Avery dont have status for MR and they cant bruteforce him mostly because ASC is weak to Ice
(unless 10/5 Avery randomly gains a way to do status)
the other one for 13/13 is Arc Cynthia - NC blue - Avery, but no one has done anything at all with ASC+NC Blue
snow spruce
a few duos yeah, but not even an 11/11 with any 3-rd. Just steven steven steven and one with Elaine
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Ofc the best team that can clear all ubs is a team with 3 most expensive units in game (2 arc + 1 mix) lmao.
dim lance
Tosakinto already full cleared cynthia with Elaine/Tower Leon
snow spruce
"Arc Duo + Avery dont have status for MR and they cant bruteforce him mostly because ASC is weak to Ice"
unless you use Averys max guard on Cynthia right before the second MR sync, so that she can survive it.
but I kinda doubt it, all the blizzard spam is still real bad for her. And Avery doesnt offer enough dmg to bruteforce status-less MR
snow spruce
Tosakinto already full cleared cynthia with Elaine/Tower Leon
he did 11/11, but he never posted a MR clear with that team (weird since it should be pretty easy, 4/5 BT leon counters MR well)
dim lance
he did 11/11, but he never posted a MR clear with that team (weird since it shou...
that's because he didn't do MR at all
he's exhausting
snow spruce
oh
dim lance
due to increased game expenditure and tight IRL
he's voiced out several times he might pull the plug soon
cosmic token
Who needs train when you have SC Irida.
valid raft
Who needs train when you have SC Irida.
We used the same team except I have C. Elesa
cosmic token
We used the same team except I have C. Elesa
I don’t have her.
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I mean there's a 4 star Unova ghost that can do the job just as well. No need any limited ghost.
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https://youtu.be/gmOdErA1JgY?si=YTo-RRWKI0bzb1yb
Out of all the pfs, I didnt think I can see a Lance awakening this early.
bright python
does Nemona's UB even have an intended unit like the other UBs?
snow spruce
SS Lana and NC Rosa
snow spruce
she had over 400 Def/SpDef on the stat screen
but yeah, I'm not sure how to quickly tell if a unit is 10/5 or not
nvm
it shows the level right there I'm blind
6/5 Elaine, 7/5 Oleana, 10/5 Lance
snow spruce
also 10/5 Cynthia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsRoz8lgZxI
snow spruce
OG is not too far behind in damage.. Thats pretty good for a 5 year old pair that also sets/extends sand basically infinitely
mental jasper
10/5 stats help a ton