Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

[spiral summit]

Ngl, this gives me dejavu for some reason

[boreal abyss]

In two turns Zapdos dies

Hahahahah pykuo

Don't

[stable storm]

Won't tripled defenses still kill damage

[boreal abyss]

Remind me of that

[spiral summit]

[stable storm]

@spiral summit how did the ub go

[spiral summit]

Just lazy finish it

Drawing is hard ok

[stable storm]

I am happy I won't have to worry about having more than 1 unbeatable for 2 months

[stable storm]

because nemo is fodder to psychic

[hearty cedar]

Triple defense is just with stat buffs. N and bianca can keep atk and sp.atk at low consistently. Speed doesnt need to be debuffed, it just needs to be at neutral. With too many turns to use the bmove, it should be fine

[stable storm]

I feel bad for mr

[spiral summit]

[fading walrus]

Yeah I initially went with that same team and when I killed 2 moves after he synced I felt bad and went for Janine

[hearty cedar]

I'm kinda sad to not see a ss roxie clear yet. She needs 4/5 unfortunately

[fading walrus]

Or an enabler

[stable storm]

fair, I don't know the traditional debuff stuff of mr because I cleared with Lear who buff blocks

[hearty cedar]

Or good luck with geeta's debuffs

[fading walrus]

Because if you sync without poison killing MR is extremely annoying

[fading walrus]

Well Geeta defies the reason to use Roxie

Since Geeta can solo dps

[stable storm]

Wait for tosakinto to slaughter mr

[hearty cedar]

True

Geeta be like:- how do you prefer to die? DPS or Sync?

Sprint supports are better

Than steven here

[boreal abyss]

Geeta Vegeta

[stable storm]

if steel comp kills nemo next month I genuinely think steel would be the strongest comp

[hearty cedar]

It already is

Wait, arc cynthia exists

[stable storm]

@snow spruce

[stable storm]

arc duo doesn't count as steel

[stable storm]

we have hope

[warm haven]

they're beating her for sure

[hearty cedar]

Yeah, it clicked a bit later that arc cynthia exists

[snow spruce]

nah, Arc Duo >>
Cynthia can run whatever she wants as 3-rd for future UBs too

[stable storm]

would be the ultimate display of power imo

[stable storm]

I am talking singular comp wise

arc duo is definitely the strongest core in the game

[hearty cedar]

Me and Doom:- we have hope
Khaku:- definitely
Jerjok:- not happening

Anyone else wants to join the prediction circle?

[warm haven]

Nemona with terrain is easier than MR without status

[hearty cedar]

Except, she hits harder

[snow spruce]

holy copium

[marble portal]

as someone who doesn't have Geeta but does have Oleana and Arc Steven, what's the next best thing to use for MR

[warm haven]

it's x3 defenses + robust physique vs electro repulsion 3

[hearty cedar]

Does she spam too many aoe moves?

[stable storm]

mr ub showed the defensive power of steel
ananel showed the offensive power
What will nemo show?

[stable storm]

only st except swift iirc

[snow spruce]

Nemona terrain isnt about lack of damage
its about surviving

[stable storm]

the bp of the moves isn't high

[stable storm]

lore accurate

[hearty cedar]

Oleana + sprint support like oak + what poison dmg dealers do you have?

[hearty cedar]

Then it should be fine

[stable storm]

steel team beating an ub that has 220% damage boost would be funny

[hearty cedar]

In immortal steven we trust(especially when nemona doesnt spam aoe moves like its nothing)

[snow spruce]

her sync will kill you

[warm haven]

They dont need to survive, they can presync sun anabel (800k hp + some healing). They will presync nemona (558k hp)

[hearty cedar]

Oak + emma + oleana should win the stage

[stable storm]

Just need to pre sync then

[marble portal]

Emma is 1/5 tho?

[boreal abyss]

Back home, it's time

[stable storm]

doesn't Anabel also have 50% special dr under sun plus fluid fort?

[stable storm]

gl

[warm haven]

special reduction no but fluid fort does mitigate some damage early

[stable storm]

I think steel has a very high shot at nemo

[marble portal]

so anyway, as someone who hasn't used Oak, what makes him so good

is it just for the guarantee poison or....

[snow spruce]

no one can presync terrain nemona

[stable storm]

will you say Cynthia is not best waifu if someone does

[warm haven]

why not lol

[snow spruce]

because you cant debuff
or flinch
or kill steal a side

[warm haven]

you can debuff

[stable storm]

you can't

[snow spruce]

cant debuff = that already kills 90% of teams

[stable storm]

team electric current

[warm haven]

ah nvm yeah you can't

[snow spruce]

you cannot debuff until a 470K sidemon dies

[stable storm]

you have to raw brute force

[cobalt cliff]

I used this team for Ninetails

[warm haven]

Again its 558k hp with ER (which doesnt affect syncs)

[stable storm]

nemo ub basically having 3 bosses is oddly fitting

[marble portal]

before I do it, Oak is worth the cake right

[stable storm]

perhaps

(yes)

[snow spruce]

doesnt matter, cant debuff, cant flinch, sides too fat

[warm haven]

yes

[marble portal]

k

[stable storm]

don't call the sides fat

[valid raft]

Support/Sprint is one of the best combos ever

[stable storm]

they did nothing wrong

could you kill the sides fast enough to negate the extra effects?

[marble portal]

so try this?

everyone is caked

[cobalt cliff]

Isn't support field better for UBS?

[hearty cedar]

Ye try it

I just tried it

[marble portal]

Emma 1/5 is not an issue?

[hearty cedar]

My oleana is 2/5 but emma is 3/5

No cakes for either

My emma died to sync

I got them to 65%

I dont have oleana sync nuke so you'll probably do better than me

[cobalt cliff]

Is Haymaker mandatory on Geeta?

[marble portal]

ugh, not liking Oak's bulk

perhaps I'll try Steven with Oleana and him

[hearty cedar]

If your nuker is oleana then no need

[hearty cedar]

Just make sure you can keep up the poison

[marble portal]

won

and just realized right after I won I DIDNT EVEN GRID OAK

[rigid pivot]

Gg

I do not think I have the bulk to take this one or the power

My ONLY good poison is ss Roxie

And I don’t have blue or 4/5 Steven

[sturdy egret]

lol

[marble portal]

my levels

[grizzled portal]

I think ariana can handle it

The damage part anyway, I'll still use oleana for debuffing

[slow sky]

Lol

[dark dust]

@stable storm continuing on my interest to use Rei, I tried Rei/NC Bianca/NC Blue. The RNG for status is bad lmao but I think there's potential if I can survive 2nd sync

[slow sky]

the AOEs are really annoying NGL

[north chasm]

lmao i just won w this exact team

worse move levels… but i did grid oak so maybe that made the difference lol

@marble portal this grid for oak worked best for me. i didnt get a tm mpr but i imagine getting it woulda made this easier

also steven got frozen twice grrr

[final yacht]

you can win by replacing steven with james

(but you need a 5/5 oleana)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059754451436568718/1293938730045804705/1728554811092712.png?ex=670931d9&is=6707e059&hm=97f0bb4efffb1853450c4bd43c4274252ee0cdc8ffff32b96785a7b5bd4449a4&

[north chasm]

yeah i saw that lol

[final yacht]

oh someone already sent it

[rigid pivot]

Man this is super annoying 😦

I cant do enough man

And then I auto die 2nd sync

[valid raft]

All of them have Vigilance?

I mean on Elesa and Roxie

[rigid pivot]

I didn’t give it to Roxie yet but it probs wouldn’t matter Steven basically gets one shot by giga impact

And elesya takes 6k from sync

[marble portal]

is Elesa even worthwhile? she’s Ice weak

[rigid pivot]

I mean i have to constantly status and debuff

[valid raft]

She fell when that one guy was showing off a full team of ice-weak units

[rigid pivot]

She’s my best one for that I think

[low coral]

Nemona's move themselves are kinda weak

So there's that

[north chasm]

oak is probably better

than elesa

[rigid pivot]

Well with oak I’d have to individually poision one at a time

Also I wouldn’t be able to debuff special attack

And then instantly die

[snow spruce]

but the sync isnt any weaker than other UBs and it gets a ~90-100% mutiplier + extra x1.5 from terrain + the attack buffs that you cannot remove
teams are too dependant on debuffing to make terrain Nemona doable IMO

[north chasm]

oak has satisfied snicker on his grid

if your ss roxie is invested i think she can clear with arc steven and oak

[rigid pivot]

Yeah I have that but the sides do way, WAY too much damage without constantly debuffing them too

[rigid pivot]

3/5

Like this?

[fading walrus]

3/5 3/5 3/5 for the MFless gods

[north chasm]

yeah you’ll have to be super careful about making sure everyone is poisoned when they attack

its tricky but doable

[rigid pivot]

Yeah that’s the issue I’m having they clear so often

[fading walrus]

If anyone wanted a Roxie without 5/5 oleana or Geeta clear

[north chasm]

use this grid for oak

if you get a tm mpr great

might not be needed tho

[fading walrus]

Sadly I didn't expect to win first try so I don't have a full recording...

I'll redo it when I come back home

[north chasm]

i wrote event oak off at first but i lowkey needed him for this…

my fault king

[rigid pivot]

Yeahhhh about that

(Roxie had like 2hp the crit didn’t even matter)

I cant debuff speed with this team tho

[north chasm]

looks like ninetales isnt poisoned here so yeah

[rigid pivot]

Well they cured everyone with the sure crit all

[north chasm]

so poison them again right after

oak has trip up on grid too

might not be fast enough debuffs but it could help

[rigid pivot]

So should I give Roxie vilgance and play till post 2ns sync?

[north chasm]

yeah

you still have max guard w her too

[rigid pivot]

…my god

Primarina did like 1k damage

[valid raft]

You need to debuff their offensive stats

[sturdy egret]

i thought for sure that this was going to be steel weak and missing arc steven + ss lear was going to mean I couldn’t clear

geeta + oleana + ssa cynthia beat it lol

[rigid pivot]

Well I can’t do it quickly enough with the team they suggested

At least to everyone

[rigid pivot]

Up here, but idk how to debuff and posion them enough for Roxie to even do enough damage

[lunar sedge]

https://vxtwitter.com/TALDYSJfJNLjkzP/status/1844267829945946274?t=jnP8kuE5ThrCxYDbJLe-dQ&s=19

[rigid pivot]

Yeah ss Roxie isn’t surviving blizzard

Because I can’t debuff fast enough with oak after 1st sync

[plush gale]

So Close

[rigid pivot]

Yeah this is super dumb

I hate this one

[boreal abyss]

I got pretty close with SS N, slept till now cuz I needed it and went for a first try and I was already close

I could make things better tho I am not satisfied

[snow spruce]

what team with SS N ?

[boreal abyss]

So far tried NC Blue SS N NC Bianca

It wasn't nothing bad, giga impact is tho

Otherwise team's endurance was going quite good

[rigid pivot]

Man.

[boreal abyss]

This stage sucks, no other ways I can define it

I'll just take the gems then for now

And win with Geeta, I'll keep trying in the later days

[final yacht]

like, most other UBs?

[boreal abyss]

Nah this one is beyond badly designed

Ain't no way they really thought it was ok to release it like this lmao

[final yacht]

it's not badly designed, it's Oleana designed

[boreal abyss]

Which is very ew if you ask me

[fading walrus]

Me when Giovanni:

[formal matrix]

You don’t need oleana tho

[final yacht]

all UBs except maybe lucy and darach are very ew if you ask me

[fading walrus]

Yeah Oleana is a carry, not a make or break

[boreal abyss]

And thank god I have Geeta otherwise that would have been my first ever roadblock probably

[fading walrus]

Giovanni is much worse imo for example

[formal matrix]

What is difficult about Gio?

[fading walrus]

Idk, the fact that you either have 3 Uber tiers, penny or 2 Ubers + haze? And the Ubers all need investment?

[grizzled portal]

Finally

[north chasm]

its literally the same shit as other UBs

[grizzled portal]

Ariana 3/5 the rest 1/5

[north chasm]

do you have this unit check

glad i selected oleana at new years otherwise i’d be cooked lmao

[rigid hare]

Guys i'm skill issuing with Metagross Oleana Geeta (they are all 1/5)

What to do?

[boreal abyss]

For some reason the fact it spams so many tms and that stupid passive procs really makes me more angry than ever lmao

[fading walrus]

Triple Vigilance them

[north chasm]

that’s the geeta check

[rigid pivot]

SAME

[north chasm]

i beat it without geeta tho

[rigid pivot]

I littertly am forced to use classic elsya

[grizzled portal]

Oleana seems more important than geeta

[rigid pivot]

And she’s weak to goddamn ice

[fading walrus]

Geeta is overall more important

[formal matrix]

I used Janine instead of oleana, it can work

[fading walrus]

^

[grizzled portal]

Fairs

[fading walrus]

Janine works

[final yacht]

the janine ub

[fading walrus]

Geeta is more consistent

[final yacht]

that one guy on reddit will be happy

[formal matrix]

I also used Janine in Evelyn UB. She is really good

[rigid hare]

I take too much damage tho

[fading walrus]

Steven is 1/5

[final yacht]

oh

i can do that

[fading walrus]

Yea

You definitely can

It's not even rng

[formal matrix]

Janine is underrated

[final yacht]

i even have oleana, but 1/5

[fading walrus]

Because Geeta always crits

[rigid pivot]

I don’t have Geeta OR olena so

Im just screwed

[fading walrus]

Well if you have oleana she's a straight upgrade

[formal matrix]

Also Janine has higher poison rate than oleana

[final yacht]

not really

[formal matrix]

[fading walrus]

There's some offtype clears

[final yacht]

janine gets grad heal, 1/5 oleana doesn't heal at all

[grizzled portal]

the max move is really nice though

[final yacht]

and does pretty much the same as janine

[grizzled portal]

With it I could kill before sure crit sync

[fading walrus]

Oleana debuffs more early

[rigid pivot]

My posion is crap for this

[fading walrus]

Again, in my clear I didn't even click potion on Steven with janine

It's THAT easy

Oleana will make it twice as easy

[grizzled portal]

With geeta u mean?

[fading walrus]

Just because you get to add some DPS to your rotations and oleana TM fixes Steven sync queue

And tbh

I used Steven custom cookie

[rigid pivot]

Unfortunately all the ones I see either use nc blue or 4/5 Steven

Which I don’t have nc blue

[fading walrus]

So Janine regen

Is irrelevant

[rigid pivot]

Maybe when I get 3/5 Elaine in a Bit? But like

Idk

[fading walrus]

Give it a day or two

People still labbing

[grizzled portal]

I'm happy I got some more out of my investment into ariana

[rigid hare]

So guys?

[grizzled portal]

Gib it some time, but you can use the same comp I did if your ariana is exr

[north chasm]

im ngl if you’re losing w geeta and oleana and arc steven its def skill issue

[grizzled portal]

Also yea

Just use geeta it's easier

[boreal abyss]

That is where I agree

It's when I am off typing for fun where it gets frustrating

Which I wanted to do but literally I can't even breathe for how many times I have to reapply status lmfao

[grizzled portal]

At least they don't get antitoxin

With time I mean

[boreal abyss]

I'll try again more stuff with SS N tomorrow but man, glad I can get rid of it easily cuz I don't wanna see that battle again, not even in BR

[final yacht]

lol imagine you had to bring different status

[rigid hare]

They're both 1/5 without exr tho

[fading walrus]

The annoying part is that while status change is easily spammable in a vacuum because of stuff like confusion ray or such, status needing to be spammed is so much more restrictive

[grizzled portal]

Is there a reason why you didn't exr steven beyond not having enough cake coins / vouchers?

[twin pasture]

Trying out NC Blue/SST Red/Alt Leon (all 3/5 EXR except Leon is 2/5 EXR), this UB is kicking my ass but I don’t have Ash, Geeta or Oleana to smooth things out

[fading walrus]

Thankfully for BR between Geeta and ssroxie I can cover 5/5 combos for at least a 2.0x

Ash doesn't do shit

[rigid hare]

Oh nono he has exr

I was talking about both geeta and oleana

[grizzled portal]

Ah

[fading walrus]

If my tbolt was 3/5 I'd try the celesa clear with her at 1/5

But I'm keeping him 1/5 for another while

[north chasm]

i won with 1/5 oleana 1/5 exr steven and event oak

geeta should definitely suffice

even 1/5

[rigid hare]

This is the max i've done tho

I'm probably in need of a tutorial

[north chasm]

hmm

they dont seem very debuffed

oleana really just needs to venom drench

make sure vigilance is on everyone (besides steven he has innate)

[rigid hare]

They are, it's just that you can't see from this screenshot

Mb lol for the screenshot timing

Like, this is the dmg i get with the 1st sync wth

Aaaand then i get outdamaged, yay

[radiant edge]

i might be late lol

It was kind of harder than i thought

Especially with 2 out 3 being weak to ice lmao

[fading walrus]

For the 3/5 Roxie, 3/5 oleana havers

Featuring Oleana missing her 1 sync crit

[fading walrus]

https://youtu.be/OBgB4dz0Ycs?si=v9PeQDTlLK7RR23y

Wrong link earlier

[rigid hare]

Okay yeah

[radiant edge]

https://youtu.be/WSdArao7BEw?si=2nMRnDpp1SLfGrD5

[rigid hare]

i wonder if there will be a Crobat clear

tho it's hard to stay behind the debuffs and poison

[neat needle]

Can I beat the UB with this team?

[radiant edge]

Yes.

[fading walrus]

Easily

[neat needle]

I also have Klara

[radiant edge]

Just make sure Oleana drops Venom Drench once every while to keep their stats unraised.

[radiant edge]

Nope

[neat needle]

Kk

Does any1 have grids I can use for them?

[radiant edge]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/29500/97000?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFCQsNDxATFhgoKy0

This should work for Geeta

Since ur Oleana and AS Steven’s on low move level, just prioritize any nodes that aren’t blue or green.

[neat needle]

I cant access it… if you have time could u just send me a pic of it? Sry if I’m asking for much

[fading walrus]

If you don't have 6 energy just drop 2 mortal spin BP tiles

[rigid hare]

ok i can't

testing with zapdos oleana and emma but... yes

[fast berry]

Ok weirdly 2nd attempt was so easy

[fading walrus]

Yeah I mean, those 3 shred as long as EITHER

• Steven is 4/5
• Oleana or Geeta is 3/5

[fading walrus]

How are they getting to second sync

Record a clear please

[neat needle]

It’s too much MB

But I’m using Steven Geeta then Steven for syncs and then I spam Venom Drench with Oleana

[fading walrus]

Up it on streamable

[neat needle]

I don’t know how to do that

[fading walrus]

Go on streamable.com and upload your video

[neat needle]

Ohhh ok

I’ll do it soon I gotta do something

[native shard]

put vigilance on oleana and geeta

the sure crit sync gets nullified that way

[lunar sedge]

Don't think I'll be able to do MR but on the other hand I finally got around doing Thorton and Noland

[neat needle]

It’s too big

[rigid hare]

nvm some1 did a clear with crobat

it's possible

[broken crag]

do you have the grids?

[broken crag]

nvm just used the one from the doc

worth the 1 tech and 1 field candy

to remove the exclamation mark

💪

[rigid hare]

i still have 1 exclamation mark, but i can't do anything bout it

feels good

[snow spruce]

I keep forgetting that ice teams ice zone buffs MR. Meh
either way either MR or Nemona is the end of the all UB road for them

[fading walrus]

There's an ice clear

[broken crag]

sounds like a masochist

[snow spruce]

what comp?

you mean the SS N - NC Bianca - NC Blue ?

[fading walrus]

Nah I saw an NC red

[snow spruce]

where and what team ?

[fading walrus]

I saw it on yt but I didn't stop and watch it

It's gonna pop out eventually

[high harbor]

oleana + ss roxie is a no go for masked royal, right?

[muted star]

can i do this without Oleana

[stone scarab]

you'd need a reliable statuser for your third

[high harbor]

oof, best options for me are kiawe(arcanine) and colress

[fading walrus]

It's definitely fine

If your support can either enhance fast enough

Or status guaranteed

[fading walrus]

https://youtu.be/OBgB4dz0Ycs?si=StJr6jOVpdqO4jWQ

Also isn't kiawe like

Trap only?

Also, I'm pretty sure you can make a lot of supports work if you run a good enough support and roll triple poison with Roxie max move

[rigid hare]

Variety Arcanine needs 3/5 to reduce speed, and only if the enemy is trapped

He needs 3/5 to reduce atk too

And i only have him 1/5

[upbeat kiln]

Whats the easist way to clear Argenta's Ultimate Battle

[fading walrus]

SS acerola + adaman

SS Morty + NC leaf

Alternatively a mix of these + SS erika

[wheat crater]

Oh my god what was the MR fight. Why does he heal from status like every turn I couldn’t even Sync properly.

[fading walrus]

He heals after item used

And at 70%

[upbeat kiln]

Does Argenta's the do that thing where below 50% hp, you have to use special moves?

[fading walrus]

No

Under 50% you gotta reapply status change

So rebuff

Or spam trap/confusion every turn

Also at 50% she sets rain again so keep a weather set for that

[upbeat kiln]

Oh, so if using Adaman, should l leave one of my buddy moves after shes below 50%

[fading walrus]

Yep

[upbeat kiln]

Okay sweet

[unborn patrol]

Cleared darach with no grids on Cynthia or Steven both 1/5 lol

[stable storm]

how's mr going ya all

Has anyone else tried chase on mr btw?

chase can just barely keep up with the paraing except one seed bomb at the beginning

[proper wave]

Will it work?

[stable storm]

Yes

[proper wave]

Geeta - ruthless poison?
And what about rosa grid

Can I help pls

[stable storm]

oleana should handle all the debuffing alone

grid for force field and potion on rosa

geeta just focus on damage

[proper wave]

Crit 2 skill or lucky cookie skill for geeta

[stable tundra]

Vigilance on everyone since the comp can't clear before Royal's second sync

[proper wave]

Ok

[proper wave]

Couldn't find this grid , there is one potion grid and one force field grid but they are separate, how to get the combine grid

[stable tundra]

just pick all Potion tiles and Force Field tile

[valid raft]

Finally done my NC Cheren clear

And uploading my clear right now

[stable storm]

gratz

how many hours

[valid raft]

Many hours do you think a nearly 6-minute video will take to upload

Unless my net actual ass

[stable storm]

I am talking about how long did it take to do the clear

the time all the attempts took

[valid raft]

Oh that

It only took me 2 attempts surprisingly

[stable storm]

lucky

[valid raft]

Even if RNG wasn't kinda in my favor

[stable storm]

I was trying for 3 hours before Lear finally cleared

[valid raft]

I probably must've done something right, even all of my units survived until the end

https://youtu.be/wouf1KBWKQQ?si=eJPi2u6M42nsESuG

[fast berry]

Sure, I used the ones from the doc though lol

[echo atlas]

Is it me, or on mobile we can't scroll up to the most recent UBs anymore?

[snow spruce]

it would be funny if the Oleana - SS Roxie - SS Mina team does all previous UBs .. except the poison-weak one

[fading walrus]

It definitely can

You just need some RNG

[hearty cedar]

This team would 100% clear MR especially with 4/5 ss roxie

[rain sorrel]

@stable storm

[fading walrus]

Even without tbfh

You just need sludge wave to get a poison proc or two

[valid raft]

10% chance of poison

Sure

[fading walrus]

You say that like the latest tosakinto team doesn't require 3 staggering 5 procs in a row at the start and then 2 in a row at midpoint and 1 at the end

For giovanni

[stable storm]

finally a ss roxie clear

[hearty cedar]

3/5 needs rng. 4/5 almost doesnt need any rng

[hearty cedar]

Roxie destroys if she has enablers

[stable storm]

Yes but I didn't expect ss roxie clear to be so late

[hearty cedar]

She needs rng unfortunately

Thats why

[stable storm]

Lear got a clear before her even if he was rng heavy (tbf I am probably one of the people whose more fine with resetting for rng)

[fading walrus]

Idk, relying on sync to poison seems to slow down clear a lot

[fading walrus]

I cleared with her yesterday without any mf

[stable storm]

oooo what comp

I missed it probably

has anyone else tried chase btw

[hearty cedar]

I just thought of oak + roxie + oleana....why didnt I think of it sooner....

They can clear it without issues

[fading walrus]

Btw this is with

• mina not getting mpr
• Roxie getting frozen so I missed meganium denial
• all 3 3/5, mina NOT exr

[fading walrus]

https://youtu.be/OBgB4dz0Ycs?si=xfP8Hfz9GuhzVqCw

[hearty cedar]

Nice

[fading walrus]

Also oleana is missing all her sync crits

[stable storm]

@snow spruce seems like poison team did mr

[fading walrus]

Next try

Just need decent RNG

And again, this is with EXr-less mina & other two 3/5

If mina was exr I would've won first try probably

[stable storm]

I feel bad for poison comp

it's gonna get crushed by nemo so bad

[snow spruce]

they can, but I need a screenshot/video of a succesful clear to add to the doc

everything will get crushed by Nemona except 1 team

[stable storm]

I feel like steel has a shot at it

if any team can beat nemo without removing et, it's gonna be steel

[snow spruce]

Nah

if any team did terrain nemona then either electric with Ash - pray that his B-move nuke does enough to Nemona (and then you somehow clear the sides)
or Arc Duo + Dragapult, since he can give himself + Cynthia max guards right before nemona sync and maybe that allows them both to survive the sync dmg
But probably no one does it

[stable storm]

idt electric has enough dr for nemo

[fading walrus]

If I stop being frozen by blizzard maybe...

Also I keep getting Roxie max to para mid

Instead of poison

[stable storm]

how bad is your Blizzard rng

*rng

[fading walrus]

As bad as all my RNG

Last DC I got burned 12 times in 10 runs by heat wave

Of which 3 on my successful try

All 12 on melony

[fading walrus]

The successful try I almost lost because I put flameproof on melony

And that shit popped up 3 times

Almost costing me the last sync

I'm just unlucky like that

[stable storm]

I got pretty good rng for the mr fight all things considered tbh even if it took 3 hours

[stable storm]

Oof

[fading walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/goblin-slayer-stressed-priestess-anime-you-get-used-to-it-gif-13752108

I stopped playing competitive for the same reason after 2014

Where at my nats I lost my heatrsn counter 1v1 against a heatran itself by missing 3 drill runs in a row

95% accurate btw

[rain sorrel]

It's kinda frustrating playing in a competition in mainline and where you just immediately know that the game was actively trying to make you lose that match

[stable storm]

wtf

clair simp lore

[rain sorrel]

https://youtu.be/nXrTb0ayMVw

Ngl, I think you can go for a MF-less run, replacing NC Blue for 3/5 Elaine but... Robust Physique will stay on the sidemons for a LONG time

[stable storm]

smth just get lucky

[fading walrus]

Ayo don't throw the simp word at me

[stable storm]

Clair fan then?

your name is too long to type normally

[fading walrus]

I used to hate her but masters made her hilariously funny

Anyway

Got the clear

Lemme up it

[stable storm]

poggers

[fading walrus]

Btw

Roxie max move triple para'd

On this successful attempt

Just saying how FREE it is

https://youtu.be/Tr0IEdiKh7A?si=w6VIMECKCEHOTx5o

[snow spruce]

added

[distant estuary]

Who should I use? Hm... gonna do it later

This sound a little easy but idk, I have Geeta and 3/5 Arc Steven

[valid raft]

You need someone to lower Atk., Sp. Atk. and speed all at once

[distant estuary]

I just saw a video, yeah. Janine. Wow, kinda convenient having a standard banner character that does this already

[fading walrus]

Janine my goat since 2020

[stable storm]

how many all ub comps are there rn

[snow spruce]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1unwNqwt18yroGqlEpdcnvYBhpn7KdX-ZCD53vqiufzg/edit?gid=1190611733#gid=1190611733
3

the Elaine-BT leon comp should be a guaranteed clear too, that would be 4

[stable storm]

Wonder if mix red is gonna succeed at clearing

[snow spruce]

He should, nemona is pretty weak without terrain

[stable storm]

I am talking about mr

[snow spruce]

I kinda want a strong SS lear-like Ground MF as the ideal partner for AS Cynthia. So there is an actual ground team, instead of Cynthia + rando
F.Roxanne and SC Adaman do not cut it
but unless that unit has both status and a terrain/defog - it still wont be able to do all 13+ UBs in 1 team
Mix red would still be required for all UBs.
But it would be nice to have that option anyway. Steel got an arc, a MF and a MF-tier freebie in 1 month. Ground can still get more too

[snow spruce]

? mix red team already did MR

[stable storm]

Steel could maybe brute force nemo

[floral crypt]

Status removal sucked to deal with but it's done.

[fading walrus]

Kid named Venomous 4:

[stable storm]

oh wait missed it

[eternal yacht]

Can I beat MR UB with this roster?

[stable tundra]

He is out of reach for you sadly

[fading walrus]

For now yes

[shrewd marten]

I did ASS geeta and janine

[eternal yacht]

Oh alright , I can try if I manage to pull SS Roxie. Are any of the other UB's possible (except Argenta , Darach , Lucy and Evelyn)

[stable tundra]

i think Anabel is possible with Arc Steven + Cynthia and Anni Lillie

[eternal yacht]

Oh alright , may I ask why Anni Lillie?

[stable tundra]

she has debuffs and synergy with Arc Steven

[eternal yacht]

Oh right -sp atk , I forgot , thanks for the help! I will try!

[high harbor]

this one doesnt have the grids

[lunar sedge]

Oh the misery

[high harbor]

I have 3/5 ss roxie, 5/5 oak and 1/5 oleana, is it doable for masked royal?

[fading walrus]

SS Roxie is probably the least influential poison type for this UB

Limited units wise

[fading walrus]

You need them?

They're pretty basic

[fading walrus]

Yea

If oleana is exrd it's definitely possible

[rain sorrel]

Yeah, you can make SS Roxie work but someone else is completely handling the gimmicks, she just brings the damage for the most part.

[fading walrus]

Actually even without

[fading walrus]

And big utility and enhancing

Like, 1/5 toxie still helps a lot

But even 3/5 can't do much alone

5/5 isn't a carry either

[rain sorrel]

The fact that her damage completely gets shut down the moment MR cleanses status makes her harder to use

[fading walrus]

The order imo is
3/5 Geeta > 3(+)/5 oleana> 1/5 Geeta> 1/5 oleana> 3(+)/5 Roxie > 3(+)/5 Klara & Emma, 1/5 Roxie > 1/5 klara/emma

[formal matrix]

https://youtu.be/mcqRwPdaGcM?si=b1hgf19t0jHeadlc

That noland clear is crazy

[rain sorrel]

Ariana is also a viable option for this. She's 3/5 for me but no Strike cake, the bulk of her damage is only from her sync.

[warm haven]

the fact that it was almost presync noland

[shrewd marten]

Geeta can solo dps this ub

Which is honestly quite impressive

[high harbor]

yup

[high harbor]

yeah, everyone there is exd with ex roles

[fading walrus]

It's basic stuff

Nidorino has literally just mini pot stuff + TM mpr

[eternal yacht]

Still , maybe a slim chance with enough luck

[stable storm]

@snow spruce appear

[snow spruce]

Steel team >> rats + Zapdos
both lack weather, but one is 12/12, the other is 10/12

[stable storm]

I feel like that was known. I think steel=ice rn

huh, korin seems to think this might be the strongest comp rn

[warm haven]

steel > ground

[stable storm]

Ground only has ASC

Ground wouldn't count anyways

Steel doing so well is nice tho

especially since it's completely mono type and has a f2p unit

[warm haven]

yeah

[stable storm]

ya all remember when steel was a bottom 3 comp?

[warm haven]

it's sad that lillie's zone is so limited

[stable storm]

imagine we get Steel type sstr with nc blue level debuffs one day

[valid raft]

Electric arc unit will ignore weather gimmick

[stable storm]

N is gonna have piercing blows on steroids fr

Arc N passive
Nullifying blows:Negates all passives except certain passives the enemy has until the enemy uses x number of moves

The certain passives would refer to endure and the ohko negation passive

[snow spruce]

there is no ground team
there is only Cynthia + Steven (or Elaine) and a rando
And it's the strongest UB core due to total flexibility of the 3-rd pair, which no one else can afford
when they release the Ground-type SS lear with Physical Sinnoh circle - only then will you actually see a real ground team

[stable storm]

imagine ground gets nothing for the rest of the game's lifespan

[short gate]

Experiencing some issues, can anyone help?

it’s probably skill issue on my part

[snow spruce]

Nah, maxie is the only ground MF, its time for another one
and they can easily make it appealing by giving it a physical/sinnoh circle and have synergy with AS Cynthia

[short gate]

Here are some other units available if that’s useful

[snow spruce]

no NC blue?

[short gate]

no nc blue

[stable storm]

it would be funnier if ground doesn't get anything more

[stable storm]

what problems are you running into exactly?is everyone caked btw

[valid raft]

Special ground, take it or leave it

[short gate]

everyone is but red

[stable storm]

ah, that's the issue

[fading walrus]

I did 2 clears with her

[short gate]

Ss red

Not sst

[fading walrus]

She's fine but not really a carry

[short gate]

Sst has field exr

[fading walrus]

For MR

[short gate]

But ss red isn’t going to be that useful here

[stable storm]

what do you classify as a carry btw

[fading walrus]

No para 💀

[stable storm]

I swear sstr had he9 t shock

or was that only chase

[fast pendant]

he4 only

[stable storm]

ohhh

[short gate]

Forgot to mention but this also exists

[fading walrus]

ST para is...yea

Not good

Esp at 50%

[stable storm]

https://youtu.be/mcqRwPdaGcM?si=b1hgf19t0jHeadlc
have ya all seen this btw

[short gate]

sst has para on max move though?

[stable storm]

steel comp is 12/12 on ub clears now

[stable storm]

Leon cleanses multiple times

[fading walrus]

Unit that can solo dps or tank semi indefinitely the stage with 2 other more budget/no investment pairs

[short gate]

Ah

[fading walrus]

Nothing new

[stable storm]

ah makes sense

[stable storm]

Noland clear is new

pure steel didn't do Noland before

[fading walrus]

I'm pretty sure we knew it was just a skill gear matter

We had 3-4 people get to 5-8% left on the EQ

[stable storm]

I remember many people saying it's impossible so I am just happy it was proved possible

I hope nemo turns out to be the same

would be the ultimate display of power

[warm haven]

Well so far the steel team has performed better than the arc duo. They cleared all UBs without weather changing and that's huge

[stable storm]

steel going from bottom 3 comp to top 2 comp is insane

and very hilarious

did any other type have this much of a jump in viability in a month before?

[warm haven]

Ice

They just had to add red

[fading walrus]

Poison

[snow spruce]

no, Arc Duo is still the best
having 7 UB duos and almost 10 different teams with random pairs like Greta that were at 11/11 is insane
plus Arc Duo is the one that is most likely to be able to go 13/13 due to flexibility
But Steel team is probably #2 after them, maybe ahead of Ice

[fading walrus]

Emma, oleana, ssroxie and Geeta released in a single year is crazy

If poison arc unit is support it's fucking over

[stable storm]

what units did they receive in 1 month

I am talking about 1 month specifically

[fading walrus]

Ah in a month? Mhh

[snow spruce]

in a month none

[stable storm]

red carrying ice so hard his back broke

[fading walrus]

Rock getting nihil staka is definitely...a big bump

[snow spruce]

Steel got 3 top-tier pairs at once

[shrewd marten]

Yeah steel got 3 op

[stable storm]

didnt electric get a gigantic jump back during anni 3

[shrewd marten]

Ground got redefinted by one unit lmfao

[shrewd marten]

Yessir

Ash and red are still used today

[stable storm]

imagine we get sillie on steroids

[shrewd marten]

Technically ncred is as impactful as asc even if she is better

[stable storm]

ground didn't really become a comp

[fading walrus]

Yes and no, ash wasn't really THE jump unit imp

Imo

But I'm a ash hater so

[stable storm]

sstr was tho right?

[shrewd marten]

Sstr and ash are jump units

[warm haven]

He was

[stable storm]

btw do ya all think Lear>Nc leaf now?

[warm haven]

The most broken move to that date

[shrewd marten]

Yes

Has been for a while

Ncleaf just isn’t fast enough compared to other teams that just oneshot

[warm haven]

Also yes, easily

[stable storm]

Lear is only behind the rat and ASC rn in terms of hybrids imo

any more Lance clears recently btw?

[shrewd marten]

The standards have zoomed

[short gate]

what did you smoke

[fading walrus]

Nah

[stable storm]

I feel like his performances are a bit too less than the other arcs

[fading walrus]

Tbolt

Is 75% of the value

Of that duo

[stable storm]

I am talking about ss Lear to be clear

[fading walrus]

Even 80-90%

[stable storm]

not reg Lear

[short gate]

yeah ik

[stable storm]

hasn't ss lear achieved more than nc leaf now?

[shrewd marten]

It’s kinda depressing that arc lance isn’t even higher than ncred on the list lol

[stable storm]

plus he has the much stronger comp

[fading walrus]

Royale ig

[short gate]

ss Lear is only as good as we’re making it up to be because of arc Steven and anni Lillie existing

[fading walrus]

Stagger + irida synergy is too good

[stable storm]

I haven't seen him do a royale clear yet

[short gate]

nc leaf will probably get a fire arc suit to go along with her

[fading walrus]

Doubt lol

[snow spruce]

dunno. Steel >> Fire, but that doesnt necessarily mean SS Lear > NC Leaf
But I'm starting to think Lillie = SS Lear or close enough. IMO they share the credit 50/50 in these clears
and another steel zone setter might not necessarily even be better than Lillie

[fading walrus]

She's not getting moltres as arc

[shrewd marten]

The fire arc suit is the problem

[short gate]

no

I mean someone is getting an arc suit

[shrewd marten]

Because arc units generally hog sync move unless it’s the support

[short gate]

And it’s gonna be a fire unit

[warm haven]

It's just a matter of a good partner to skyrocket him

[fading walrus]

The fire arc is either Leon or Red with zard, it's absolutely obvious

[shrewd marten]

That’s what ncleaf needs as well

[fading walrus]

[stable storm]

and?I rate units assuming optimal comp. Plus Lear has stuff leaf can't do just like he can't do some stuff leaf can

[shrewd marten]

They’re in a state of needing a particularly specific brand of units

Ncleaf wants a unit that has super high dps and doesn’t care about the sync move while syneegizing with debuffs and sun

[warm haven]

That's literally NY Wallace and mix blue

[shrewd marten]

Arc lance wants a zone unit(maybe a circle while ur at it) and maybe some muns and a tiny bit of debuffs

[warm haven]

She doesn't lack partners

[stable storm]

Oh god I can feel it, AS SS kantrio

[shrewd marten]

Yeah but they aren’t as good as modern standards is all

The power creep has gone hard

[fading walrus]

Thing is, arc suits by default take over Kantrio 2.0 because of rebuff priority synergy

Unless the ice one is a support or somehow worse than red

[stable storm]

Lear offers something his arc doesn't give

[fading walrus]

The circle is offered by Nate, who can also sub for zone needs

They'd need a support zoner

[fast pendant]

this is getting off topic, if you wanan keep it going move to #916852389347196958

[fading walrus]

Lear arc? News to me

[stable storm]

Oops

btw any Lance mr clears yet?

[fading walrus]

Yea

As i saod

There's a very chill lance + bt Leon clear

[stable storm]

Is there a vid I can watch?I wanna see it. Sounds like a cool clear

[fading walrus]

https://youtu.be/ip3nbt0505g?si=Aqcjb2y751qifZkn

Easily replicable without Steven

Imo

[shrewd marten]

Ah yes

Lance

The black kyurem alt is looking nice

[gentle mural]

I'm beginning to really hate this game for real

[fading walrus]

Wrong link lol

https://youtu.be/GThVEpbr_Rs?si=e9puc6WamIuSuEd2

[shrewd marten]

Why that looks comfy

[fading walrus]

3 mfs at 3/5

That's why comfy

[gentle mural]

I feel like spending 2 hours resetting isn't my definition of comfy but sure

UBs are the shittiest content we've ever had the displeasure of getting

[rigid pivot]

How was this one of my closest runs

Because I can’t use damn ss Roxie well enough

[gentle mural]

Oh gee I sure love banging my head against a wall for 3 hours because oops haha you didn't roll that one effect gotta restart now haha get rekt

[stable storm]

I did bang my head against mr for 3 hours to beat him lol

[gentle mural]

FUN!!!

[rigid pivot]

If only elsya wasn’t weak to damn ice

I can take the team into post 2nd sync

[fading walrus]

How

You literally have Geeta + an incredible debuffer+ Mr second best tank in the game

You could've probably had leaf tank if she's exrd if axel worried you

[gentle mural]

1. Randomly not roll speed debuffs
2. Randomly can't quadqueue
3. Randomly NC Leaf sync not crit

Axel isn't an issue

[fading walrus]

#1 ???? You literally have leaf?
#2 yeah welcome to the game
#3 why is leaf sync critting even a factor

You can have Geeta solo DPS

[rigid pivot]

I was fine with the Leon one personally cause I had the pika bros plus that had like my favorite theme in the game

[stable storm]

leaf doesn't debuff speed btw

[rigid pivot]

But this is awful

[fading walrus]

As long as other 2 heal themselves

[gentle mural]

Leaf doesn't drop Speed on her own, she needs Geeta to drop first

[fading walrus]

Wait what

[rigid pivot]

I thought lear does?

[gentle mural]

Then only can she double it

[fading walrus]

Isn't she

[stable storm]

clear should still be simple but just wanted to say that

[fading walrus]

-1 to everything

[gentle mural]

No

[stable storm]

she debuffs 4 stats only

[spiral summit]

Nah

[fading walrus]

Lol then ok

I can understand kinda

[stable storm]

spa atk, attack, def ,sp def

[fading walrus]

I see

I guess resetting for ruthless proc T1 was what broke you

[gentle mural]

Most of those 2 hours was just

The first 3 moves

Over

And over

And over again

[formal matrix]

I suggest you change leaf to Janine

[gentle mural]

Needing at least 2 Speed drop from Geeta because they buff 3 Speed right at the start

[fading walrus]

That's wild it took so long to get that proc

[stable storm]

My experience with Lear on mr:

[fading walrus]

Well of you proc T1 you just double before that

And you're fine then

[stable storm]

isn't it 2 at the start?

[gentle mural]

Combined with the other factors I mentioned that made me have to reset again

[gentle mural]

Side +1, then mid +2

Dropping 1 just makes you break even

[fading walrus]

My other 2 points stand t fh

Tbfh*

Not critting shouldn't decide the output

[stable storm]

don't sides only buff attacking stats on attack

[fading walrus]

And Geeta has propulsion to fix missed quads for me

[gentle mural]

Right side does speed too

[stable storm]

ohhh that's why meganium sometimes hit so hard

[fading walrus]

If you proc ruthless T1 you double before right moves tho

[rigid pivot]

Sides have a chance to buff speed

[fading walrus]

So that's not a factor

[formal matrix]

I think you could make Janine 5 star, and replace leaf with her. And venom drench

[rigid pivot]

So it’s rng (fun)

[gentle mural]

2. Isn't really a point
3. Maybe my grid could've been better, but I needed Leaf to do enough damage

[fading walrus]

Again, Geeta can solo DPS

So I don't see where leaf is needed

[gentle mural]

You got a link to a vid

[fading walrus]

Yeah, my Janine + 1/5 Steven clear

Has Steven sync twice

To upkeep hp

[gentle mural]

Well I don't have Steven

[fading walrus]

And he does 0 damage

The point stand

He was there because he's fun but 1/5 is in no way superior to 3/5 NC blue

[formal matrix]

If you think speed debuff is a problem to your team then you don’t have to stick to nc leaf

[fading walrus]

https://youtu.be/fA2eOwcSUB0?si=wqxoNnXcFSihQzFV

[snow spruce]

@warm haven do you plan on doing/posting an MR clear with SST Red - NC Silver - NC Blue ?

[warm haven]

Yeah, later

[snow spruce]

alright, then they will be at 10/12 and I wont delete them from the doc yet

the 9/12 teams might get the boot at some point

[formal matrix]

So is there no arc duo + Leon for MR yet?

I didn’t see skinny posting that, despite she is doing arc Steven + Leon with other pair

[snow spruce]

https://i.imgur.com/A7eEKAI.jpeg

[shrewd marten]

That oleana clear goes hard

[formal matrix]

Oh ok so how many 12/12 now?

[snow spruce]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1unwNqwt18yroGqlEpdcnvYBhpn7KdX-ZCD53vqiufzg/edit?gid=1190611733#gid=1190611733
4 now at 12/12
but ~3+ more should be easy wins if someoien does them

[fading walrus]

Sadly impossible on 3/5

I tried

[snow spruce]

-Arc Cynthia - SST Red - Arc Steven
-Arc Cynthia - BT Leon - Elaine
-SST Red - NC Silver - NC Blue
these should be easy
-Arc Cynthia - Oleana - Arc Steven - not sure

[shrewd marten]

There are 2 f2p units so it’s not that egregious

[snow spruce]

easy-ish*

[fading walrus]

The tbolt one sounds extremely annoying

Then again what do I know, with 5/5 cyn you probably melt by the time the clear second time

[snow spruce]

I'll try the Arc Cynthia - SST Red - Arc Steven one now.
My Elaine is 1/5, so I hope he or someone will post the Elaine MR clear
probably wont even bother trying the Oleana one, 30% is too low

[marble portal]

What’s the issue that Oleana can’t 3/5 but can 5/5?

[fading walrus]

Twofer for gauge

[rigid pivot]

A A A i actually made it past 2nd sync for once but of course they use a DAMN trainer move right after

[rigid pivot]

I think which fully confirms I can’t do it because elsya never lives past 2nd sync

[marble portal]

ah

[fading walrus]

Good luck using gunk shot with no speed buff with Nido + James also needing to attack

Geeta solves that by regenning 3 gauge per attack

[marble portal]

I used Oak/Oleana/Steven, guess Steven’s freebies is why I didn’t struggle

[fading walrus]

Without her you need at least teamwide +3 to sustain

OR two units with long animations and low gauge use

Or a free spammer like NC blue or stevrn

• a low gauge third

[marble portal]

how many units consistently do free spam

just curious overall

ik NC Blue and Arc Steven are

and I think Iono is too?

[fading walrus]

Only if hit

[stone scarab]

Adaman is when he crits

Which isnt the most helpful condition here really

[hearty cedar]

Nc bianca

[warm haven]

MR removing status every other turn

[high harbor]

yup, this stage was built for geeta + oleana

[snow spruce]

it was, but did it anyway
five 12/12 teams now

[high harbor]

MR is down

[sour elk]

I saw the vid and I still don't know how Lear survived turn 1, was that not a scripted Fissure?

[stone scarab]

that would be because Steven took the attack and not Lear

[fading walrus]

^

[sour elk]

Lmfao

I was watching it absent mindedly during lunch at work

I was looking at the Darach clear which was first on the video and I didn't realise

I swear I overlook the most obvious things every so often

[lunar sedge]

Noland clear is insane

Eventual steel UB is just gonna get ravaged pre sync atp lol

[hearty cedar]

Easily

[fading walrus]

I mean they presynced Lucy

So if steel UB is on medium bulk

Definitely

[lunar sedge]

Dena probably aware how strong steel is and it's gonna get a stupid high HP pool to compensate

[stable storm]

imagine steel ub is a fat blob with not much attack and buffing but a lot of defense buffing, high defenses, max hp and healing with momentum 1

a fat blob you have to punch through before too many sync buffs build up

[formal matrix]

This will easily screw other teams way more than steel team

Since steel team is like the #2 damage output team and #1 acceleration team

[snow spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Itaej2F9Ps0
skinny did Arc Duo- Oleana clear
now at 6 teams total, 4 of them Arc Duo teams

[rich heron]

https://youtu.be/weinKx9ojEk?feature=shared

[stable storm]

double support 1 multi comp

[rich heron]

Oh ye I always forget steven is multi

[jaunty light]

so close

[stable storm]

sync 2?

[jaunty light]

yeah

i keep messing up my cycles

venom drench after they cleanse

so im just standing there taking buffed blizzards

also 1/5 arcsteven

other than oleana and jane who can debuff the important stats in this fight

[hearty cedar]

SS N

[stable storm]

technically Lear

[fading walrus]

I did that with 1/5 Steven too

Same team

[stable storm]

do ya all think steel could do nemo in terrain

[fading walrus]

Absolutely not

I don't think any team ATM can do her in terrain

I've said this like twenty times

[warm haven]

@snow spruce its gonna take some time this is an RNG hell

[jaunty light]

i have to better cycle my moves i guess

i counted 3 times where they cleansed and venom drench was the move after

[fading walrus]

You can just double vigilance Geeta and Janine anyway

[snow spruce]

if she wasnt immune to debuffs then i think Steel and a few other usual suspects maybe could have
with debuff immunity - no one can
NO UB so far has been immune to debuffs. This cannot be strressed enough

[fading walrus]

The debuff part wouldn't be a problem if the stage didn't also have electrorep 3 and regen on eterrain action

And ofc, actually good bulk

If it was Lucy tier bulk without electrorep and hp recovery it would've been easy

[warm haven]

yeah they dont really need debuffs

[stable storm]

it would be funny if steel ends up doing the impossible once again

[snow spruce]

if you cant presync (which you probably cant), then Atk debuffs are absolutely required to have even a chance of surviving Nemonas terrain sync

[stable storm]

it's 140% total mult with only 3.3k attack right?

[warm haven]

Well they can presync anabel who has 800k hp

[stable storm]

isn't it 900k?

[warm haven]

ah yeah 900k

[snow spruce]

anabel is very different, you can kill steal her side and then you can flinch her

and she can be debuffed = more damage

terrain nemona is worse

not doable

[warm haven]

and has almost half of anabel's hp

[stable storm]

nemo will be palmer on steroids for non terrain teams

[stable storm]

also isn't her healing a lot weaker?

[snow spruce]

doesnt make up for the extra turns you can get on Anabel

[fading walrus]

Not comparable

[stable storm]

I am talking about the needing to pre sync aspect

[fading walrus]

???

Palmer was waaaay past sync cleared

By a good amount of teams

Nemona can't

By any means

Without removing terrain

[stable storm]

nemo kills almost any team with sync under et

[snow spruce]

Anabel also didnt have the sun equivalent of electro-repulsion, you dealt full damage to her with everything
her sides did, but she didnt

[fading walrus]

I really don't think you understand the difference still

[stable storm]

I said on steroids for that part

[warm haven]

she still has fluid fortification

[snow spruce]

thats very easy to bypass, teams have a ton of debuffs

[stable storm]

didn't anabel have sunscreen btw?or was that only sides

[snow spruce]

only sides

[fading walrus]

Which is relevant for the first third of the clear, which is also when your team is at its weakest

[warm haven]

early no

[fading walrus]

So it barely matters

[fading walrus]

Flinch her = 5-6 action turns without sunscreen

Can't flinch nemona

[snow spruce]

and the HP difference is not 2x. its 924K+ vs 558K
and Nemonas sides are way bulkier

[fading walrus]

Ye, so no denial

No flinch

No debuffs

It's worlds apart

[snow spruce]

yup

[stable storm]

I still think there's a chance. Wish I had ASS to test that theory

[fading walrus]

He won't do shit

[snow spruce]

also tbh the 170% multipliers means you will already be at low HP even before her sync
IF you somehow pre-sync terrain Nemona (you cant) - the remaining sides will still wipe you in 1-2 attacks

the sides are still immune to debuffs, flinch etc. after she dies
and they have 460K hp

[stable storm]

does nemo have aoe moves before sync?

[fading walrus]

Theoretically to clear nemona in ET you'd need a piercing blows debuffer that also enhances incredibly hard your other 2

• having reflect

[hearty cedar]

Just got 4th ss roxie instead of my 2nd SS N

[fading walrus]

Oh pog you can now try to build a royale clear with her as mono poisoner

[hearty cedar]

Who do you think as partners?

Sstr and nc.blue?

[fading walrus]

Yeah I was about to say tbolt but that kinda defies the reasoning ig

[hearty cedar]

I dont have blue anyway

[fading walrus]

Since tbolt para guaranteed

[hearty cedar]

And has ET extension

[fading walrus]

I guess tbolt + Roxie + a random shitter like oak would still be impressive enough

Not Oak

Actually

Too easy

Idk, some random support that can tank early enough?

Or you make tbolt tank

With max guard for the seed bomb

[stable storm]

piercing blows doesn't work on passives that stop debuffs?

[fading walrus]

It doesn't?

I would've thought it would

[stable storm]

nope piercing blows in poma just ignores damage reduction and endure

it doesn't work like mainline mold breaker

[fading walrus]

Mhhhh

Then yea

Tough luck

[snow spruce]

is Bellelba one of the best tanks to try and tank terrain Nemona ? she has Reflects with extensions
probably still not enough

[craggy wind]

This was harder than i thoight

[stable storm]

bellelba can also remove et btw so that's nice

[fading walrus]

Definitely not enough

[stable storm]

electric as when

Would ya all say nemo in terrain is the hardest ub?

[fading walrus]

Nothing else comes close

[stable storm]

what's the second hardest?nita in sand or anabel in sun or mr without status

[fading walrus]

If Nita had immunity to staggers and some DR in Sand she'd be close

[stable storm]

or noland without any way to stop him

[snow spruce]

oh yeah thats right, she has Psychic Field .. actually that could make it doable after her sync removes E.terrain.
But thats not a terrain Nemona clear then anymore
and also Bellelba isnt on any of the all UB teams, so you still wont get 13/13