Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

[dim lance]

if only I had -1 more ramp I can run CS2 on Palmer rather than Head Start

:V

[fading walrus]

Ah, thought that was max move

[dim lance]

it takes like 5 hits

for them to die

but the moment I get flinched the gauge feels like shit lol

[fading walrus]

That's what flinch does to gauge yes

[fading walrus]

Ok but how much does a blizzard do to your team

[dim lance]

barely 20-30%, lol

and I can just Protect the Giga Impact

and hydro Pump also doesn't hurt that much

[fading walrus]

Well yeah the ST moves aren't the issue with me either

It's slide + blizzard

[final yacht]

Yeah ok

[rich heron]

Do anyone have a video of sstr, Lana and falkner clear noland

[final yacht]

What

I guess it works yeah

[uncut drum]

https://youtu.be/jjcP2UDfWBE

I messed up with the thumbnail. It's fixed in the video

[dim lance]

come on

give me one MPR

just one MPR

and I win this

for reference, if I don't get the crit shield, everyone gets oneshotted

[dim lance]

As it was meant to be

Will upload vid in a bit

[fading walrus]

Gawdawmn

Ggwp

[dim lance]

I missed a crit

Otherwise Anabel wouldn't have died :c

[warm haven]

Idk if this has been done but I'll upload it soon

After a series of bad decisions I finally got 3/5 lear and 4/5 Steven

[dim lance]

Mfw duo UB is the norm now

[warm haven]

cant wait to solo latios again but now it's a UB

[high harbor]

I tried ss mina, ss roxie and oleana on evelyn, didnt work, tried ss mina with mix leaf and dojo gloria on anabel, not enough

[snow spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnDp_vCUaQg
wonder if terrain Nemona is gonna be doable at all or not

[stable storm]

maybe chase ice..?

[dim lance]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYYuWmcF5f0

I did it ladies and gentlemen

[stable storm]

A very normal battle

[dim lance]

Give these people some respect

Gonna do more clears with larry/Palmer

[warm haven]

thorton beating thorton when

(he actually can with arc steven)

[final yacht]

goat

[kind wasp]

Is there an akari and frogs clear for giovanni’s UB? I have them all 3/5 EXR

[high harbor]

move levels: mina 3/5, ss roxie 3/5, oleana 1/5, all ex, and both roxie and oleana are roled, mix leaf is 3/5 and dojo gloria is 4/5, both are also ex and roled

[high harbor]

psytrio(ss lana, nc rosa and ss steven) should make ez job of this fight

maybe it can work with bianca instead of ss lana if psychic terrain mp refresh is needed

[shrewd marten]

Hell yeah

[high harbor]

so out of the current battles available, I still gotta beat anabel, thorton, nita, leon, giovanni and evelyn

[cobalt cliff]

I tried to defeat Nita with SS Morty 3/5, 5/5 AS Steven and 1/5 Silver and Sneasel. I managed to kill middle but died to the sides. If i get 3/5 should i Made it?

Or swap SS Morty for 3/5 Grusha

[warm haven]

alright, back with the paulo propaganda https://youtu.be/54dWGuOrtWA

the thumbnail 💀

[shrewd marten]

Bro it’s just sslear propaganda

[warm haven]

nah, lear cant beat noland with lillie

[shrewd marten]

[warm haven]

And the duo clear
https://youtu.be/MkmPG8C1tsA

[high harbor]

so I decided to see some replays on UBs to see if I can get some sort of light to beat them
well
one leon fight had 1/5 arc steven, 3/5 sst red and 3/5 chad-ash
I dont have the chad, but I have the other two
ash kept spamming thunder on zard, to deal dmg while re-paralyzing him
maybe I can try with elesa zebstrika instead?
spark can do the same as thunder in regards of paralysis and she does sync aoe thanks to being strike

[marble portal]

Argenta offtype with Oleana

[kind wasp]

Any ideas on how to clear leon, nita, giovanni, or evelyn with these? Btw ss mina and nc bede are 3/5 now

[marble portal]

could this maybe do it?

got down to 20

[stable storm]

when steven is 4/5 maybe?

[marble portal]

ah

yeah not doing it quite yet then

20% is okay for now

don’t have Akari which def is a hindrance

think for now I’m pretty much done clearing new UBs given lack of units; hopefully Masked Royal isn’t too bad

[stable storm]

For masked royale, I plan on using Lear , chase and nc rosa. Could this comp do it?

[marble portal]

maybe?

is Lear 4/5

idk Chase’s kit well but ik you need to keep the debuffs going

[stable storm]

5/5. Read my name.

[marble portal]

ah

should've known

[valid raft]

You're a fake fan

[stable storm]

I will find you.

[hearty cedar]

So basically argenta but

1. Power plant on sync
2. Refreshes rebuff on sync so we need multiple

[snow spruce]

the worst part is immune to debuffs and much bulkier sides and way higher damage (higher even than sun Anabel)

[slow sky]

Immune to debuffs? Wtf

[snow spruce]

yup, one of the sides (which has 460K hp) has E.terrain Team-wide debuff immunity. You need to remove terrain or kill that side to remove it

[paper mural]

Can steel team do that again, like they did it in sun Anabel?

[final yacht]

nemona is basically impossible without removing the terrain

[slow sky]

Maybe with a 3rd that can remove or change terrain

[final yacht]

yeah that for sure

[snow spruce]

doubt

[slow sky]

Does that stage require debuffs

[lunar sedge]

it only requries terrain change and status change iirc

[snow spruce]

no, but you probably need them just to survive terrain Nemona .. and you cant debuff while she has terrain

[slow sky]

Hm

[snow spruce]

the stage itself only really requires terrain change

with terrain removed - a good psychic team can presync easily

so you dont even need to worry about rebuff cleanse then

[paper mural]

I just checked and the hp of Anabel's sides are surprisingly low.

[slow sky]

I'm probably screwed for this 1 if I go on-type

Only got 1/5 Jacq and my next most recent psychic pair is lusamine lmfao

[paper mural]

And status change (mostly rebuff).

[fading walrus]

Unsure about that

The stage is really bulky

[paper mural]

Nemona's hp is similar to Palmer, so if any psychic dd can off type Palmer they can totally ontype Nemona presync.

[snow spruce]

Nemonas own hp is avg/below avg - pre-syncing her ontype, with terrain removed, is trivial
the sides might need cleaning up after that tho

[hearty cedar]

Immune to debuffs under ET right?

[high harbor]

who could be a 3rd member for a team with arc steven 1/5 and sst red 3/5 to beat leon?

[snow spruce]

nc blue 3/5

debuffs + extra paralysis

and rebuffs

But I assume no nc blue ? otherwise you wouldnt be using 1/5 steven

[high harbor]

yes, no nc blue

[high harbor]

welp, tried with elesa, but still not enough

[tulip jolt]

Very close but got the win on poison

[high harbor]

I have 3/5 cynthia and 3/5 mina, maybe I can do this with someone else than rika?

[tulip jolt]

certainly sounds possible, but i cant be sure

[stable tundra]

https://youtu.be/_kvQWlJxJkU not sure if this has been sent here before but this is crazy

[final yacht]

ayo palmer duo

[snow spruce]

lmao WTF

every day I wish NC Silver had been Ground

Was there ever any ontype Palmer Duo before?

[stable tundra]

I don't think so

[cobalt cliff]

After so many attempts, i defeated Geovanny

😭

[snow spruce]

The guy who did this REALLY likes doing Palmer clears

[final yacht]

well, it's a good way to showcase raw strength in a few turns

[warm haven]

too strong for the plot

[fast pendant]

"how many mprs do you want?"

[warm haven]

yeah i was gonna say that lol

thats an insane amount of luck

what UB is missing a duo now?

[snow spruce]

Leon, Nita
idk if NC Blue+SST Red ever duo'd Leon or not.
for Noland I feel like NC Cheren + Lana should duo just fine? not sure if it was actually done

[warm haven]

I belive blue and red duo'd leon

lol the first one

how do we duo nita

[cobalt cliff]

I'm struggling even with 3 pairs agains Nita

💀

[stable tundra]

Wait for Arc Irida

She would probably have Trip Up 5

[snow spruce]

bulky Ice Support with 3 hails+zone & Atk/speed debuffs + NC red could maybe duo Nita

doesnt even need to be an arc

[cobalt cliff]

If i want to do Nita with NC red, Is grusha an option?

[valid raft]

So for the MR UB, is it made purely for Oleana or is it made for Geeta too?

[snow spruce]

both

[valid raft]

Yeah

I'm kinda drawing a blank on who's made for Nemona

[snow spruce]

NC Rosa + SS Lana

[valid raft]

I think it's made for 3 units

NC Rosa, SS Lana and SS Steven

Actually NVM, NC Rosa has Force Field and Team Sotic

So yeah, both of them

[fading walrus]

Geeta is better for consistent status
Oleana is better for less RNG debuffs and for mid killing

[low coral]

Elio checks all boxes

[valid raft]

Geeta gives guaranteed poison and the enemies constantly cure status conditions

[fading walrus]

Yep

[valid raft]

Oleana removes the stat buffs with Venom Drench

[valid raft]

He only raises defensive stats to himself, not to the team

And Nemona has preemptive ET and Elio doesn't

[low coral]

That's the case for most UBs

Even Irida technically doesn't beat Nita by herself

Or Tbolt Red vs Leon

[valid raft]

That's why UBs are mostly made for 2 units

[low coral]

But Elio checkmarks essentially on the same level as those, except being a much weaker unit

[valid raft]

So Imma list down the units made for every UB thus far

[snow spruce]

V.Elio doesnt have AoE status change, does he ? he needs to do confusion 1 by 1
he also cant apply his terrain on demand, only on syncs

[valid raft]

Anabel: SS Kris (Gimmick) and NC Serena (Gimmick/Damage Dealer)

Thorton: NC Leaf (Gimmick/Damage Dealer) and SS Hilda (Damage Dealer)

Darach: NC Silver (Gimmick/Damage Dealer), Bertha (Gimmick), Paulo (Maybe) (Gimmick/Damage Dealer) and SS Diantha (Gimmick/Damage Dealer)

Argenta: Adaman (Gimmick/Damage Dealer) and SS Acerola (Gimmick)

Palmer: Rei (Gimmick/Damage Dealer)

Lucy: SC Adaman (Gimmick/Damage Dealer), Fall Roxanne (Gimmick/Damage Dealer) and Rika (3/5) (Gimmick)

Leon: NC Blue (Gimmick) and SST Red (Gimmick/Damage Dealer)

Nita: NC Red (Damage Dealer) and Irida (Gimmick)

Noland: Falkner (Gimmick), NC Cheren (Damage Dealer) and/or Anni Skyla (Damage Dealer)

Giovanni: SC Zinnia (Gimmick/Damage Dealer) and Akari (Gimmick/Damage Dealer)

Evelyn: Penny (Gimmick), SS Gladion (Gimmick/Damage Dealer) and SS Wally (Gimmick/Damage Dealer)

MR: Geeta (Gimmick/Damage Dealer) and Oleana (Gimmick/Damage Dealer)

Nemona: NC Rosa (3/5) (Gimmick), Lear (Damage Dealer) and SS Lana (Gimmick/Damage Dealer)

Morgan: SS Brendan (3/5) (Gimmick), Leon (Alt. 2) (Gimmick/Damage Dealer)

Dana: Argenta (Maybe) (3/5) (Gimmick), Rose (Gimmick/Damage Dealer), NY Poppy (Gimmick), AS Steven (Gimmick) and Anni Lillie (2024) (Gimmick/Damage Dealer)

Wally: Summer Gardenia (Gimmick)

[snow spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuh4Zn0CipY
apparently 11/11 UBs with Arc Cynthia - BT leon - ||Elaine||

[valid raft]

Who knew Alt. Leon would be the one to carry

[snow spruce]

Dragapult is overall the best gimmick-checker for Arc Cynthia + a tanky support

well now I see why Elaine is in uber-tier

[valid raft]

Leon has no means of Sp. Atk. debuffing besides Hit Burned Opp: Stat Down 9 right?

[snow spruce]

no, but Elaine has Satisfied Snicker 9
thats how he beat Evelyn I assume

Unfortunate Strike 9 can also debuff SpAtk with rng

[valid raft]

How does this work for AoE moves?
Hit: Team Attack ↑ & Sp. Atk ↑ 9: Raises the Attack and Sp. Atk of all allied sync pairs by 1 stat rank when its attack move hits. If the move has the multistrike effect tag, raises the Attack and Sp. Atk of all allied sync pairs by 1 stat rank for each hit.

[snow spruce]

huh Elaines kit/grid is kind of like a mini Arc Steven without the steel rebuff

[valid raft]

So, for MR's UB, the sides can buff their offensive stats by 3 if they use an AoE move right?

[stable tundra]

Same as SS Hilda's Recharging Strike, Swift makes it raise +3 atk and spatk if it hits 3 targets

[warm haven]

good to see another support

[valid raft]

So yeah, definitely made for Oleana right

Since her Venom Drench does -3 offensive stats and Speed per use

[warm haven]

i didnt apreciated BT Leon at the start because of the lack of rebuff/WTZ but it looks he has a really good anti gimmick kit

[fading walrus]

Unlimited heals is big

[valid raft]

I wonder if it feels like MR is meant as an unintentional counter for Arc Cynthia because of the massive amounts of buffing and also having ice moves while having the buffs

[snow spruce]

there are now 12 teams that have done all UBs (14 if you count Arc Duo-SS lear and Ice team-NC blue, which are still missing 1 each technically)
8 of those 12 have Arc Cynthia, 7 have Arc Steven

shame these numbers will go down a lot after MR+Nemona

[final yacht]

bt leon is what a tech should be
aka not a strike that isn't a strike, but a pair with lots of tools

[valid raft]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-26415146

[fading walrus]

I mean we get a lot of those too

Like Oleana

[valid raft]

No massive numbers = Weak

[snow spruce]

it would be cool if the Elaine-Cynthia-Leon team can bruteforce terrain Nemona somehow. They have lots of healing and triple protect for the sync move

[final yacht]

nah they are dying lmao

[low coral]

You're removing basically the entire point Leon and Elaine are there

That would just be a ultra hard Cynthia carry not that she isn't already doing that

[valid raft]

Nemona has defensive debuffs

And she has Electrorepulsion unless your damage dealer has Piercing Blows

[snow spruce]

Elaine has Unbending and Stalwart both
Leon has Impervious
and Elaine does team-wide +2 Def and +2 SpDef every time she uses TM (which never runs out)

[valid raft]

Eh, I guess the defensive debuffs of Nemona is the least worrying of her gimmicks even if she has multipliers for it

But IG the ET gimmick will be the hardest one to counter

[snow spruce]

Electrorepulsion only reduces by 20% or 30% and only move dmg, not syncs
Cynthia can overpower that and the heals IMO, the issue isnt dmg, but surviving

I can cope until November

[valid raft]

Well, Nemona removes all negative status change every time she syncs

Which means you have to properly time Arc Cynthia's sync

Unless you want to rely on Sand Tomb for negative status change, but the sides have Friend Care 9

[fading walrus]

You're fighting WTZ + passives boosted moves Vs undebuffable 4k atk stat UB

[snow spruce]

Ah right, the status cleanse. Well either time the sync or hope that everyone is almsot dead by then

[snow spruce]

Nemona isnt the 4K atk UB, thats MR

[fading walrus]

Its like fighting an impervious Anabel

[fading walrus]

It's still too much lol

Cynthia without Def debuffs can't do it

[snow spruce]

Well yeah thats why terrain Nemona > sun Anabel

[fading walrus]

It's like fighting Giovanni without field effect and without triple vigi

[snow spruce]

sun Anabel was also considered undoable without a Fire Arc until someone did it

[valid raft]

And AS Cynthia doesn't have Piercing Blows or a similar effect built into her B Move, so she'll suffer from Electrorepulsion

[fading walrus]

She has a much more forgiving unit and sun synergy

[snow spruce]

I'm sure dmg isnt the issue, only surviving

[valid raft]

You don't have defense debuffs from her B Move

[fading walrus]

Not doing enough damage = need to survive more

[shrewd marten]

Elaine is that kinda gal

[fading walrus]

Need to survive more in ET = rofl

[shrewd marten]

She’s just less bulky

[snow spruce]

she still does a truckton of dmg without defence debuffs

[fading walrus]

Not the same

[valid raft]

Also her B Move is split damage

Unlike most B Moves which are 100% to all 3 targets

[fading walrus]

She can barely clear Noland at that pace WITH Def debuffs

And he has 290k

Which is 60% of nemona sides hp

Lol

[snow spruce]

if you can survive the Nemona sync - you get some turns to live, they usually use a TM after sync
also both Elaine and Steven have AoE endures and Nemona doesnt have Piercing Blows

[fading walrus]

"if you can survive nemona sync"

[valid raft]

No, but Nemona still hits extremely hard

[fading walrus]

I'm unsure you can get that fat

Far

[valid raft]

Hard enough to KO your damage dealers even with +6 defensive stats

[dim lance]

https://youtu.be/iuh4Zn0CipY?si=pvn7ZaQg4yhNoDm3

[shrewd marten]

12 overall?

[valid raft]

Someone already posted it

[dim lance]

Elaine is OP right

[shrewd marten]

Like -6 +6 is what I mean by 12

[snow spruce]

Noland gives you only ~3-4 turns, here you have way more if you can survive the sync (which is where Leons double protect is supposed to help)
if you cant survive the sync even with protects then yep its definitely undoable

[fading walrus]

Noland has no hp

[snow spruce]

my idea is that you can live until sync and then Leon uses protect on himself + Cynthia for the sync.
if that doesnt work then GG

[fading walrus]

The pace is sameish as ET Nemona because of her damage

And her no drop immunity

[valid raft]

Also, all of Nemona's sides have Team Power Induction, totaling it to 17

Which means besides the ET boost to their electric moves, you also suffer an additional 170% extra move damage

[snow spruce]

Too much negativity in here

There's also extra dmg and dmg mitigations from gear etc. who knows

[valid raft]

That's only if you perfect roll it

Also, Nemona has Dire Hit All+, which means that if your AS units team without a non-ET setter lets Nemona get to that point, then it's Joever

[snow spruce]

she is. She even did 11/11 UBs with Cynthia before NC blue

[snow spruce]

Pretty sure thats only right before 2-nd sync - i.e. you have 12 turns. By 12 turns you either won or wiped anyway

[shrewd marten]

dire hit all on first sync?

[valid raft]

No, before 2nd

[valid raft]

Well, tell me what's your team

And I'll do some calcs

[snow spruce]

I'm not gonna even try it, I just want to see if its doable
the team is probably Arc Cynthia + BT Leon + either AS Steven or maybe Elaine if she can tank that.
Perhaps SSA Cynthia too, her lack of atk/spatk debuffs doesnt matter in this case, and she has Impervious, Sprint, big heals etc. All good for this fight
potentially you might even swap BT leon for a second tanky support like SS Mina (AoE protect).
Basically try and keep AS Cynthia alive long enough for her to clear

[valid raft]

Nemona recovers this much HP under ET: 34,890.625 or 34,891
And this is how much the sides recover: 29,356.25 or 29,356

[snow spruce]

So did rain Argenta and sun Anabel and that didnt save them
surviving is the main issue

[valid raft]

Cynthia's B Move, according to my calcs and grid does in the 10k range AoE with sandstorm and ground zone, not accounting for Electrorepulsion yet

[snow spruce]

it should be way higher than 10K

[valid raft]

Yes

But this is her damage with 1 support EX sync with her B Move:
11267, 11392, 11517, 11643, 11768, 11893, 12018, 12143, 12269, 12394, 12519

After she syncs with -2 ground rebuff:
18426, 18631, 18836, 19041, 19245, 19450, 19655, 19860, 20064, 20269, 20474

But of course Nemona will cure rebuffs every sync she does, so it should always be -1 ground rebuff

[fading walrus]

That's definitely doable WDYM

[boreal abyss]

Silly question chat, masked has no hail right?

[valid raft]

None

[boreal abyss]

Bless

[fading walrus]

Kinda bummed about it ngl

[boreal abyss]

I can rest for another month

[valid raft]

But the sides can beef up their offensive stats by 3 almost every turn

[snow spruce]

no, for reasons

[boreal abyss]

Better for me, no need to force anni Steven somewhere

Glad of it, thank you dena

[fading walrus]

Imagine making an A-9tails stage without referencing aurora veil

[boreal abyss]

Also dropping this here for the future

Be ready

[fading walrus]

🧎‍♂️

[boreal abyss]

Total devotion for this guy when next year is gonna get smth

[fading walrus]

That extra...4%?8%? Gonna change EVERYTHING

[boreal abyss]

Totally hahaha

[valid raft]

Melony

[fading walrus]

Not the same

[boreal abyss]

It’s actually my first ever 5/5 MF

Hope soon they will consider upgrades like they are doing rn

[fading walrus]

a-9tail is the Veil lead

Just like ribombee is THE web lead

[fading walrus]

I'm holding my 4/5 Leon for when he gets a broken 5/5 too

[boreal abyss]

So far the wording should refer to PFs but then they said soon they will involve other units

So I am like, going all in with a final gamble

Hope it pays out with a good passive and stats buffs, which he seriously needs

[valid raft]

Ash 5/5 will finally beat SS Hau in 3v3 electric DC

[boreal abyss]

SS Hau diff

[fading walrus]

Ash whom

[boreal abyss]

My sweet pancake man

[fading walrus]

Stop pushing your agenda about Pasio OCs

[snow spruce]

when/where did they say that?

[fading walrus]

Smh

[boreal abyss]

Lemme grab the screen again brb

[fading walrus]

I just pray they mean seasonals

[boreal abyss]

Oh them too

I wish the best for seasonals too

But like, when other units will have stuff it’s gonna be 2025, so I am looking very much ahead

[shrewd marten]

Why they so desperate to keep ice team able to do all ubs

[snow spruce]

Nemona will filter all curent all UB teams most likely

[boreal abyss]

Ye, it says “currently planned to be an enhancement for fair exclusive etc etc”

Currently means that on a later date they will focus on others too in my books

At least I am ready for it when it’s gonna happen

Assuming this year is PFs

[snow spruce]

MFs will get 4-5/5 grids after this IMO
but this 5/5 new passive - maybe much later

[boreal abyss]

Whatever they take, I am ready with Anni Steven ❤️

Sky high champ, we believe in you

It’s probably what rn makes me playing the game after the mess of 5th anni, the long wait for this moment

[kind wasp]

Any ideas?

Im thinking the one I have a highest chance of beating is giovanni with the frogs and akari but I havent seen a clear

[fading walrus]

Ssmina SSgladion Bede can definitely Evelyn

Or even better

SS glad SS mina SS wally

Lol

[valid raft]

I made a video

NVM

Akari

[kind wasp]

SS Gladion is only 1/5 tho

Is that enough?

[fading walrus]

It SHOULD be

He drops -2

Has ontype

[kind wasp]

alr ill try it

[fading walrus]

And can nuke sides on demand

With wally nuking and upkeeping extended fairy zone

You should be fine

[kind wasp]

idk maybe my grids are wrong or I dont have enough debuffs/gladion’s second b move

[shrewd marten]

You gobsmack and mind boggle?

[short pawn]

Any idea of how many UB battles are going to be?

[snow spruce]

at least 17

[short pawn]

Oh Nice i need to start doing them then

[fading walrus]

Second bmove isn't a dealbreaker

Because wally sync should more than offset the loss in damagr

[fading walrus]

Ain't no way you're getting one shot at first sync with ssmina

Wtf

[kind wasp]

It was 2nd sync I think

[fading walrus]

Ok yeah it is

Still

[kind wasp]

But I took the screenshot a bit early before the sync buffs went up

Any grid suggestions? Both wally and mina are both 3/5

[kind wasp]

Yeah

[fading walrus]

There's no way wally did only 40% in 3 syncs

[fading walrus]

You must've missed every crit

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/12801/28202?s=3&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBhEbHi8yMzQ1

You using something like this?

[kind wasp]

Im using the grids from spark’s doc so yes if that’s the same one

[fading walrus]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/3401/78800?s=3&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFDA4RFBcYGx0gIiQnKg

This for mina?

[kind wasp]

Oh those are both different grids but ill try them

[fading walrus]

I mean this is what I'd use

My wally is 1/5

[kind wasp]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/3401/78800?s=3&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBgkOERQiJSgq

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/12801/28202?s=3&l=150&r=6&p=0&a=13010602&g=AAECAwQFDBseHykrLzIzNQ

[fading walrus]

And the mina grid is what I used for my summarnie clear

[fading walrus]

These work but I prefer mina TM MPR to avoid lategame fuck ups

With TM in lategame you avoid dying to second sync

If you get there by mistake

(you shouldn't)

Crit shield is a cheese

That UB can't really deal with

Btw I found funny how rika+arc cyn could basically win with barely any attack

Trap, poison and sand chip is real

And does like 70k

To big hp UBs

[shrewd marten]

This takes forever

She has negative single target damage

[marble portal]

Sidney here was just filler, could Oleana/Steven potentially duo?

[kind wasp]

Yeah idk what im doing wrong

[shrewd marten]

y u sync with gladion

[kind wasp]

Idk, but its not like I was going to win

SS Mina is alr dead and latios isnt even at half

[shrewd marten]

True

That damage seems

Smoll

Was it confused?

[kind wasp]

Yeah im pretty sure it was

[shrewd marten]

Hm

Lemme see

I try

@kind wasp you’re doing something wrong

My gladion is 3/5 and I forgor to change it off so I just didn’t use the b move

And I still murdered the endure barrier

And keep in mind

I didn’t have nearly as many fairy zone

Because obviously

I did 2 sync moves without

Although honestly idt ssmina is better than ncblue here

Or arc Steven

Because the extra debuffs help you get through fluid fort

[kind wasp]

I have neither of them

Well im TRYING to pull arc steven, but idk if ill get him (and im 11 multis in)

[fast pendant]

Blue is much better there since with Mina you wouldn't have sides on -6 sp.atk nor negative atk

[shrewd marten]

Well uhh just make Wally nuke harderer

[kind wasp]

[shrewd marten]

it should be simple

sync with mina, then wally once, then quad queue his b move, then sync again

[true lagoon]

trip up 5 would be 60% of -1

[high harbor]

Im almost killing anabel with oleana, arc cynthia and arc steven, the only issue is arc steven getting burned

[snow spruce]

steven has status immunity on grid (at 3/5)

[fading walrus]

He can also run a free LE

LS*

[high harbor]

I know, mine's 1/5 though

[fading walrus]

Since he has native vigilance

[fading walrus]

If Cyn is 3/5 it should be relatively easy

[high harbor]

I tried giving status immunity to arc steven, but it wasnt enough

stupid sandstorm not refreshing
cuz if I could set sandstorm a 3rd time, I could've done it

[snow spruce]

well arcs do want investments to stomp things easier. 5/5 for Cynthia and 4/5 for Steven
Should still be doable like this though.
3/5 NC BLue + 3/5 AS Cynthia duo'd Anabel

[high harbor]

I tried oleana, ss roxie and ss mina on evelyn
if roxie has vigilance, she doesnt do enough dmg to kill the sides
if she has cs2, she dies to the 2nd sync

[dim lance]

Welp, looks like we'll be seeing that Classic Elesa Nita clear after all

[high harbor]

doesnt help I only reach the 60% endurance on 2nd sync

[gentle wharf]

lol I forgot to use an electric type and used full fairy

[hearty cedar]

Would anyone mind using ss mina + arc lance + nc.nate against anabel?

I couldnt get arc lance

[snow spruce]

?

[rich heron]

Trying this team

I already completed this ub
Just trying

Rock slide
Ryuki couldn't use his first shell trap

[high harbor]

finally defeated evelyn

who needs move levels on arc steven anyway?

[fading walrus]

I mean 1/5 is enough if you have a -2 spa dropper

[high harbor]

got barely the win, used max guard at late game on roxie herself to protect from the earthquake and managed to beat just as she was about to do the 3rd sync

[fading walrus]

Well that's because Oleana is 1/5

[high harbor]

yessir

[warm haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-5skyH97w8

good old calem

[shrewd marten]

400k

Holy jeeberz

It’s so much damage

[pliant jewel]

If anyone has non-caked Anni Lillie 24, a new user could benefit from a demonstration of doing Investigate the Foundation BC Round 2.

I was going to record, but I realize it will have extended Steel Zone.

[surreal torrent]

I have no idea who they want me to use for this battle. I don’t have Tapu Koko and it’s for the battle against Gladion

[clever widget]

Try SS Lana and SS Lusamine for the triple Alola mission

Or OGHau and one of them so you could simultaneously do the Elec Fairy mission

[true lagoon]

i havent caked her

do you want me to try

[spark idol]

Can some one help me with a way to beat Nita? I am struggling to beat her
The team i was using this but it was just barely falling short

[stable tundra]

You need an aggressive speed debuffer

You can check the example clears in the pins to see which one(s) you can replicate

[snow spruce]

Finally got around to doing Leon with Arc Duo-SS Lear team
so now they are officially at all UBs too .. for 1 more week or so anyway

Wonder if NC Serena - Dahlia - SS Mina will be able to do Nemona - since Dahlia does have one grassy terrain. Would 1 be enough? Probably not

[stable storm]

I wonder what all ub teams other than poison will survive masked royale

[stable storm]

prob not and mr will fold them anyways unfortunately

[formal matrix]

Do we need to debuff MR speed to negative to defeat him?

[stable storm]

no, status

he gains tripled defences and robust physique if no status

and damage up

[formal matrix]

ok thanks

[rich heron]

I saw someone doing 600k on bmove

[shrewd marten]

Nice job

[gilded finch]

Can someone help me with the Argenta ultimate battle

[fading walrus]

Sure, wdyn

[gilded finch]

I keep trying but lemme show you my pairs

My grass pairs and then some of my master fairs

I have all three arc units as well

[lunar sedge]

Have you checked the clears over at pinned?

[gilded finch]

Yes

Everything has adaman or acerola

I dont have either

[stable tundra]

The team should clear Argenta easily

But you must save a rebuff for later half, and give everyone Vigilance

[lunar sedge]

Save a blue sync for the halfway point yes

[stable tundra]

And replace sun asap, twice

I meant rain mb

[gilded finch]

I save sun and i save leaf’s sync rebuff

[lunar sedge]

Argenta can clear the first rebuff when she hits the 50% endure + automatically summons rain

[gilded finch]

But yeah i always die to crit

Gonna take longer to get to 50% hp with everyone having vigilance

[fading walrus]

You should definitely save your blue sync for post 50%

With synchro healing 1 blue can carry enough from then onward

[gilded finch]

So leaf syncs first?

[fading walrus]

It's up to you

You can save her or blue for post 50%

But a syncro healing later could be better imo

Try both and see for yourself

[gilded finch]

I can also save leafs b move for after 50%

Lol

Gets me sun and rebuff in one move

[fading walrus]

Leaf leer will already rebuff

And you're meant to leer a lot right away

[gilded finch]

Ah right

Welp

[stable tundra]

You don't have to bring ontype dmg dealers

[hearty cedar]

https://youtu.be/cIBopo7-iN8?si=IoGTsCZ_RrZCcwfE

The team I wanted to try

[stable storm]

how many ubs

[snow spruce]

can that team do sun Anabel ?

[stable storm]

doubt it

[onyx cedar]

man, Nate and Lance work well together

[warm haven]

They do

Hope they get a dragon zone support

[hearty cedar]

Sun anabel is a bit difficult

Steel team relied on lillie's p.blows quite a bit

Dragon core needs to keep switching its support

Maybe ss mina will work but it'll include a lot of rng if we spam her for every ub with the dragon core

[warm haven]

BT Leon has PBlows

But actually mina will make them clear most UBs

[snow spruce]

SS Mina + AS lance + NC Nate - can clear all except Nita, Evelyn (no SpAtk debuffs) and Nemona ?
not sure about MR - Lance technically has 30% para, but you still want atk/spatk/speed debuffs for MR

[hearty cedar]

The problem is that the dragon core really wants to switch around its support

[onyx cedar]

[low coral]

Anabel sounds pretty annoying as well, due to the reduced debuffs, but it might be worth a try

[hearty cedar]

I dont think the dragon duo can clear all ubs with just 1 specific support(atleast with the current ones)

[low coral]

For sure not, idt any Dragon core does even when swapping just the support

[hearty cedar]

Pretty sure nita just stops them

[stable storm]

idt any comp will be able to full ub clear after our next 2 ubs

[hearty cedar]

Ye

Next 2 ubs are designed to break those records

[stable storm]

Mr and nemona are very hard gimmick checks

[hearty cedar]

Nc.blue + sstr duo aint gonna cut it for nemona

Atleast I hope they can cut it

[low coral]

Leon is very limiting as well

Ideally you get Lucas for that

[hearty cedar]

For leon?

[low coral]

But Lucas is not as good for other battles

[warm haven]

i think it's possible with ash

[snow spruce]

yeah Leon is tough without spatk debuffs. not to mention constant need for WZT

[stable storm]

they already failed at other ubs right?

[warm haven]

nemona doesnt have high hp

[hearty cedar]

Could be. Depends on the terrain changer(most likely lele)

[stable storm]

won't sides murder you?

[hearty cedar]

I didnt check but there's a chance

[stable storm]

pure rats failed at Anabel and Nita

iirc

[hearty cedar]

Keep syncing with ash or keep using moves on sides while checking the mid with the sync and bmove. There's a chance

[warm haven]

Well nita is ground and anabel cripples both ash and red dont allowing paralysis

[hearty cedar]

They fail whenever weather replacement is necessary

[formal matrix]

I will just sit here seeing those people with ash trying

[stable storm]

either way I don't see any comp except maybe arc duo+sstr keeping all ub record

[low coral]

Nemona is more realistic for Electric than those

[hearty cedar]

Flying team and poison team probably wont be able to win though I still have hope for the poison team

Against nemona ^

[stable storm]

Poison has the ability to replace nemona et with temp et

[hearty cedar]

Nemona is ground weak?

[warm haven]

If anything the most scary one is MR, its harder to compress all what he wants

[low coral]

Psychic

[stable storm]

psychic

[hearty cedar]

While also abusing it for a while for roxie's sync

[hearty cedar]

Then how is sstr gonna work on nemona

[paper mural]

Doesn't MR just want status? A LOT OF status tho.

[formal matrix]

What high power move will Nemona use?

[stable storm]

mr is already killing most of the teams. We are seeing if any survivors can beat nemo

[hearty cedar]

Nemona is a wall for sstr while MR is a wall for non status teams

[snow spruce]

I dont see Ash comp doing nemona without removing terrain and even if you kill Nemona somehow - you will still die to 460K hp sides
Ash sync is too weak to quickly clear sides as fat as those
So its probably the end of all UB comps for now (..unless BT leon randomly gets a 5/5 passive that makes him have a defog effect)

[stable storm]

170% high bp st moves

[hearty cedar]

Imagine palmer sides having 460k hp

[warm haven]

The funniest thing is that, one of the most valuable pairs to beat All UBs with one team is gonna be ||greta||

[stable storm]

kill quickly before being killed

[stable storm]

unfortunately mr is immune to sleep

so she fails at mr

thankfully actually

[hearty cedar]

My friend(who reads this chat) made a point that greta should be put into ubers(for fun)

[warm haven]

But she debuffs speed that's also needed for MR

[stable storm]

I don't want Greta to have the only all ub clear comp

arc cyn does that already

[hearty cedar]

Max countdown 3, steven's dual hs1, cynthia's sandstorm hs1

Basically we have to ramp way too hard to powerup cynthia huh. Problem is that arc passives ruin quad queues

[stable storm]

Then don't tank with him.

[hearty cedar]

I said arc passive

The rebuff one

[stable storm]

oh that

[valid raft]

Problem is Red won't get Kekwok multipliers

[stable storm]

believe in cope

[stable storm]

you sync with Cynthia

[hearty cedar]

Red is ded weight on that comp tbh, no wait, he kinda helds the team back even

[paper mural]

Oh so it's not my fault that I can never quad queue after Lance's sync.

[hearty cedar]

Red's best contribution against nemona is max countdown 3

[snow spruce]

Steven + Cynthia + SST Red doing Nemona? maybe veeery small chance

[warm haven]

yeah they might do it

[stable storm]

only comp I see rn that does mr and has a chance of doing nemo

[warm haven]

they can rush her before her sync

[hearty cedar]

It's not. Those rebuff passives ruin quad queues(for their 1st syncs)

[hearty cedar]

My bet is on the poison team. It's the only hope

Poison team will beat MR

[stable storm]

Poison idt has the output for nemo

5 perma ets vs 2 temp ets

[snow spruce]

Why Greta? since she has both max guard and grassy terrain? I guess
but only 1 terrain and no status for MR (he is immune to sleep)

[stable storm]

170% mult

no sp def or attacking stat drops

[hearty cedar]

They'll have to abuse the opponent et for a while. It's difficult af but there's hope

[stable storm]

-to defenses

[warm haven]

yeah

[stable storm]

nemo is immune to stat drops btw

[hearty cedar]

Ye ik

[stable storm]

so no Roxie inate

[warm haven]

I thought that you could sleep MR but as he's inmune i see it difficult now

[stable storm]

or oleana debuffing

[hearty cedar]

The teams that clear MR may all stop at nemona

[snow spruce]

actually kinda - NC blue + Arc Cynthia + Greta do cover ALL UB gimmicks at once ?
except that only 1 use of grass terrain

[valid raft]

And teamwide regen if you give Steven Electric Guard

[warm haven]

greta has 2

[hearty cedar]

MR needs status for bypassing dmg reduction?

[stable storm]

not enough gt for nemo imo. Plus won't Nita murder them

[warm haven]

she's a field with Max Overgrowth

[paper mural]

Maybe posion team will get sth useful to help them in ubs even more for their new update since they're all pfs.

[stable storm]

yep

[hearty cedar]

Tbh steven doesnt need it, that team needs attacking

[snow spruce]

Greta has big speed debuffs, Nita should be doable

[warm haven]

yeah

[hearty cedar]

Then the steel team still has a chance no? They are probably gonna beat MR

[stable storm]

Status is required for mr

[snow spruce]

Ooooooh, she is grass field. so 2 terrains
that makes Nemona doable ?

[hearty cedar]

They did kill leon without status

[stable storm]

otherwise he has robust physique and tripled defenses

[hearty cedar]

Triple defenses huh

Ye not happening then

[stable storm]

Statusless Leon is not close to status less mr

[warm haven]

MR has high atk stats so no stalling like Argenta

[hearty cedar]

Dena's employee maybe lurking here. No way they designed 2 ubs that pretty much destroy all the teams that made it this far

Or someone leaked the ub clear sheet to a dena employee

[stable storm]

I mean it was gonna happen eventually

Terrain we knew was gonna be rough

[formal matrix]

I bet Jerjok is Dena spy that investigated the all UB team and screw them over

[stable storm]

especially electric terrain based ub

[hearty cedar]

The current tapu banner is invaluable tbh

[snow spruce]

if terrain Nemona cannot be bruteforced - then NC blue + Arc Cynthia + Greta looks like the only team with any chance at all of doing 13/13
the highest gimmick coverage

[stable storm]

and if they did an ub that actually required status a lot of teams would be fucked anyways

[hearty cedar]

You know what, it makes sense

[stable storm]

not greta....

[hearty cedar]

Why blue instead of steven?

[stable storm]

It's gonna be so weird

[stable storm]

Status for mr

[warm haven]

Everybody apologize to greta NOW

[snow spruce]

paralysis for MR

[hearty cedar]

Greta;- you all laughed at me, how does it feel to be laughed at?

[stable storm]

No.

[hearty cedar]

Ye not happening

[stable storm]

l refuse to believe that team can do Nita

[warm haven]

https://tenor.com/view/you-couldn’t-live-thanos-endgame-back-to-me-you-could-not-live-gif-16221515858415007908

[valid raft]

[hearty cedar]

Didnt they already do it?

[stable storm]

No

[formal matrix]

As a Hoenn main, the only one I missed from Hoenn is Greta. Maybe I should grab her next time

[stable storm]

it's theoretically possible

[snow spruce]

Deep Sleep Spore
Activation Condition: When the user uses any move once.
Deactivation Condition: When this move is used.
Never misses. Lowers the Speed of all opposing sync pairs by 3 stat ranks. Puts all opposing sync pairs to sleep. Reduces the user’s sync move countdown by 1. Raises the Speed of all allied sync pairs by 3 stat ranks.

[hearty cedar]

I'm pretty sure I saw a greta clear with arc fairs against nita

[formal matrix]

Yes skinny has it

[warm haven]

arc duo + greta already beat nita

[stable storm]

oh it lowers even when it doesn't sleep?

[snow spruce]

that was with steven, not nc blue

[stable storm]

arc Cyn blue and greta didn't do Nita yet

I think they did the others?

[warm haven]

yeah, still blue has a good matchup against nita so it should be possible with him

[snow spruce]

but it should be doable with blue - as should be all other UBs .. theoretically

[hearty cedar]

Get ready bois, greta is gonna laugh at us IF she beats nemona

[stable storm]

not sure about gio

[paper mural]

Not many ppl do NC Blue + Arc Cynthia.

[stable storm]

I feel like Nita is gonna be harder for her than nemo

nemo has 5 ets I think?

[snow spruce]

Steven is > Blue everywhere except Noland and MR

[hearty cedar]

Nah, at this point, you are hoping Nita crushes her lol

[stable storm]

entry, endure, sync, death and side

[formal matrix]

Anyone with defog has chance against Nemona?

[stable storm]

I definitely am

[snow spruce]

all 3 defog pairs are really weak overall

[formal matrix]

Is Nemona physical?

[stable storm]

3?

[formal matrix]

Wait we have 3?

[stable storm]

yeh

[formal matrix]

Lisia, Darach and who?

[hearty cedar]

Its alright buddy, I shit talked ss mina during her debut. It's ok to be wrong sometimes

[paper mural]

BP Falkner.

[stable storm]

greta won't succeed

[paper mural]

Darach and BP Falkner have some debuff utility.

[formal matrix]

We will pin you if someone made it

[stable storm]

I forgot that falkner even exists

[stable storm]

Istg if this ages badly

[hearty cedar]

Nemona really wants us to bring tapu lele or have INSANE mpr luck(we aint syncing multiple times with bulu)

[formal matrix]

Actually field ex role anni May?

[stable storm]

Pre syncing is pretty likely for psychic

no need for mpr luck

[paper mural]

I don't think a real psychic team need to clear her terrain more than twice.

[hearty cedar]

Could work if we can get 1 or 2 mprs on wish

[formal matrix]

Hers is mpr3

[snow spruce]

so the hopes for 13/13 UBs are:

• Arc Duo + BT leon (bruteforce Nemona)
• Arc Duo + SST Red (bruteforce Nemona)
• NC Blue + Arc Cynthia + Greta (2 terrains for nemona, pray its enough and hope that Nita falls as well)
  grim

[formal matrix]

And she has a real nuke

[hearty cedar]

Og bianca can work with luck

[warm haven]

has anyone used arc cynthia + avery? that could be another posibility

[stable storm]

Leon bruteforcing nemo...?

[stable storm]

dies to mr

[hearty cedar]

Ye no, the 1st two teams are most likely losing. Isnt nemona immune to debuffs? How is bt leon gonna be of any use there

[paper mural]

They did 11/11 alr, no?

[snow spruce]

he only has 1 terrain, right ? Greta has 2
and you would still need to use nc blue instead of steven on MR

[hearty cedar]

And sstr is a dead weight there

[stable storm]

mr made status an actual requirement for all ub clears

[warm haven]

avery has 2

[formal matrix]

2 if ex

[warm haven]

but yeah it would be with blue

[stable storm]

he has 2 btw

I am fine with Avery succeeding

[hearty cedar]

Avery is the guy that needs an apology for being laughed at during debut

[stable storm]

Avery has buff block as well

[stable storm]

We already apologised to him after his feats with Lear

[formal matrix]

I just want to see Greta being successful

[stable storm]

as long as it's not greta

[snow spruce]

oh Avery is also Field .. neat
but he doesnt have Status condition, right?
so basically nc blue + Arc Cynthia + Greta/Avery then

[warm haven]

yeah

[snow spruce]

Buff block is pretty big tbh

[stable storm]

I hope Nita destroys greta

[hearty cedar]

Nah lets be honest, you just wanna see the community mald if greta succeeds

[formal matrix]

Actually, what about mix red with poisoning and Grassy terrain

[stable storm]

2 as well iirc and sand removal

and -1 to both attacking stats every attack

and dropping speed himself iirc

[hearty cedar]

I just hope the steel team crushes MR

[warm haven]

just 1 buff block

sadly

[stable storm]

Steel team doing mr is very unlikely

[hearty cedar]

That's why I'm coping

[stable storm]

doesn't he have 2 b moves?

[snow spruce]

viable? Noland would be hard tho (if using Steven and not blue)

[warm haven]

no

[formal matrix]

MR isn’t weak to steel, despite a-ninetale being fairy + ice

[warm haven]

he would be doing war crimes if he had 2

[stable storm]

refresh at half hp

he has 2

[warm haven]

that's only hail, no buff block

[stable storm]

that's why he's doing war crimes rn

Isn't his buff block tied to chilly reception b move

[hearty cedar]

Ikr

[warm haven]

yes

but at half hp it's just hail

[hearty cedar]

Atleast he's not pulling aurora veil + crit shield shenanigans

[stable storm]

wdym

[paper mural]

I rmb I predicted MR weak to steel and be the hail ub we waited lol.

[stable storm]

2 ice ubs and neither use hail

@snow spruce you forgot ice team

[warm haven]

it's still weird that thorton of all UBs didnt have hail, as he's weak to fire

[stable storm]

ice team could rush down nemo

[hearty cedar]

Ice core gonna either cry or rush MR with chase. There's no in between

[low coral]

Blue's def better on Leon

[snow spruce]

nah, they have no chance of doing Nemo

[stable storm]

will you try ice on nemo?@low coral

[warm haven]

and now that i think about it way better for nemona

[low coral]

I'll try, just dk when, I haven't been playing UBs much recently, I wanted to showcase Lance much more too

[hearty cedar]

Pure grass comp may come back for nemona

[low coral]

And also SS N videos before he gets EXR, but that's my last priority

[stable storm]

Pure grass will shred nemo

[low coral]

He's prob gonna get spammed a bit after EXR since it becomes much easier to win with him, although idt he gains new clears

[hearty cedar]

Funny how ss hau is the only tapu helpless against nemona ub

[hearty cedar]

Tbh, him having that many itself is a wonder

[warm haven]

mina doesnt have much either

[low coral]

Yeah, it'll considerably improve his reliability, which is his main problem

[hearty cedar]

Atleast she can still be used in other terrains

[warm haven]

Hau too, he can use fairy zone

[hearty cedar]

Lets see how good ss hau will be there. My fav tapu unit

Who did ss N beat again?

Anabel, thorton, darach, argenta, lucy, nita and noland?

[formal matrix]

Is there SS N vs Nita by anyone?

[hearty cedar]

Ye there are few

Palmer was done too

Evelyn is possible

Gio is possible ig

[stable storm]

wasn't evelynn done

[hearty cedar]

Really? I didnt check

[low coral]

You can do with SS Silver + SS Morty

[formal matrix]

Evelyn and Gio should both be ok for ss n I guess

[hearty cedar]

Who am I missing?

[low coral]

Idr doing Gio myself, but idt I tried either

[snow spruce]

actually I forgot that Nemona is weak to Psychic.
so Cynthia + Steven/Blue + Avery should kinda destroy Nemo? SE dmg
with Blue MR is easy too
and buff block is great vs Giovanni (but I think you beat him even w/o buff block)
so its really JUST Nita left. I think that team can really do 13/13 - NC Blue + Arc Cynthia + Avery, assuming someone has it and actually tries

[low coral]

The only problem on Gio is the uptime for WTZ

[hearty cedar]

Evelyn could be beaten by ss N and irida iirc especially when combined with either blue or steven

[low coral]

But maybe Grusha can work over Steven

[hearty cedar]

Cant we use irida + grusha combo if its that much of a bother? Pretty sure irida is enough tho

[low coral]

Irida is probably not enough, at least until Strike EXR

[hearty cedar]

I think leon is the only ub he cant clear(of course without sstr i mean)

[stable storm]

she's probably getting field

[hearty cedar]

By strike exr, he meant for ss N

[hearty cedar]

Ye I'm including strike exr for gio and Evelyn ub clears. He needs it for them

[low coral]

Evelyn I think works without

[hearty cedar]

You ever use his freeze?

Pretty sure he has guaranteed freeze

[low coral]

No, and he doesn't

[hearty cedar]

Whats his freeze chance then?

[low coral]

20% base, 40% gridded

But it's bad either way because you want paralysis for your sync

[hearty cedar]

Nvm then para better

[low coral]

So you would rather get flinch

[hearty cedar]

For his sync, any status condition is fine

[low coral]

I actually would open with Freeze Shock t1 alongside Iron Head just so I can get para guaranteed

[hearty cedar]

Thats a good strat

[low coral]

Since flinching without para means you'll lose that 60% for a good chunk of the battle

[stable storm]

I swear I saw ab evelynn clear with him before

[low coral]

It's what I did to beat Anabel

[hearty cedar]

Kinda funny that he has a shot of beating MR

[low coral]

Well, not just a shot, he's straight up good vs Masked

[stable storm]

he's a pretty good counter to mr

[hearty cedar]

I think I did too, during the debut of her ub right?

[low coral]

Easily one of his best UBs

[stable storm]

is nemo immune to status btw

or just interference and stat drops

[low coral]

Interference under Terrain

Never to conditions iirc

[stable storm]

phew

[low coral]

Since I remember her having Grounding Wire without Charged Immunity

[snow spruce]

nemona isnt immune to status conditions

[stable storm]

avery nc blue cyn I see doing all ubs

[snow spruce]

only to interference and debuffs (while terrain is up)

Avery might actually now be the best anti UB gimmick pair if you factor in Nemona. He mostly just lacks status condition
its maybe Avery > BT leon > Oleana or so

[low coral]

For who?

Arc Duo?

[snow spruce]

for Arc Cynthia, but also in general

[hearty cedar]

Ss serena could be good for nemona

[low coral]

Surely not in general for those three lol

[hearty cedar]

Oleana is most likely the best one among those 3

[stable storm]

Avery has like 4 anti gimmicks

[low coral]

Avery already will struggle to gimmick check any weather for any team that lacks healing

[snow spruce]

why not ? Avery has:
-P.terrain
-hail
-mass debuffs
-buff block
-max guard
all premium anti-gimmick stuff

[hearty cedar]

Ye but avery's weather checking is still dependent on an ally's weather checking

Like him alone isnt enough

[low coral]

He has those stuff, it doesn't mean he's good at those stuff, he's quite reliant on other pairs covering things that often they don't need for common teams

[snow spruce]

ofc he doesnt do everything alone, still needs help. But who is better than him?

[stable storm]

it's enough in quite a few strong comps

[snow spruce]

no one is enough alone, its a team game

[stable storm]

Avery definitely got a massive glow up at least

[low coral]

There's no comparison from Avery's mass debuffs to Oleana's

[hearty cedar]

Poison
Rebuff
3 stats debuffed to max in 2 turns
Aoe speed buffs
Max guard

For oleana ^ along with better dps

[snow spruce]

well Oleana is very good too yeah. She is at minimum top 3 or better

[hearty cedar]

I'm one of the very few ppl who believed in avery but no, oleana is still better than him

[stable storm]

Aren't we talking about for all ub comps specifically rn?

[snow spruce]

Avery just counters Nemona well, who is now THE one to counter sort of

[low coral]

No, she's not

[hearty cedar]

We are just talking about the value of gimmick checks between avery, bt leon and oleana

[stable storm]

I'd argue main ones to counter are nita anabel and mr

[low coral]

Nemona's just being the bottleneck for most of the current teams because they never bothered with Terrain before

[stable storm]

Nemo just cleans up everything that escapes these

[low coral]

If she was the first UB, she wouldn't be considered the bottleneck

[snow spruce]

Nemona is the hardest to do without countering her gimmick and her gimmick is probably harder to counter than status condition or weather

[stable storm]

MR seems close to Leon level to me imo

[snow spruce]

your options are ONLY - G.terrain., P. terrain or defog (lol)

[stable storm]

mr is harder without countering his gimmick

[hearty cedar]

Nita is the most bottleneck ub so far

[fast pendant]

anabel's only options are sandstorm, hail and rain

[stable storm]

her gimmick is the hardest to counter tho

that is true

[snow spruce]

but his gimmick is easier
any status condition vs one of 2 terrains

[hearty cedar]

C.elesa destroys MR

[stable storm]

classic unova W

celesa all ubs when

[hearty cedar]

How awesome it would have been if resilience wasn't a thing. Og serena could have come in handy for MR

[hearty cedar]

She probably wins with the arc duo

[snow spruce]

sandstorm, hail or rain is easier to do than 2 terrains.
3 vs 2 and also there are more weather pairs in general.
Weathers also have synergies with more types. Grass terrain is just grass pairs, P. terrain is just Psychic pairs

[hearty cedar]

If greta can win with arc duo, c.elesa sure has a chance

Except nemona of course

[snow spruce]

for 11/11 maybe yeah, but hard. No chance with Nemo

[hearty cedar]

^

Almost every electric unit gets destroyed by nemona

The only ones being good that I can think off is nc.blue

Pretty sure MR ub dies to the fire team with a bit of luck

[snow spruce]

even if NC blue - Cynthia - Avery do Nemona - someone will still need to do all the other UBs with them, especially Nita
maybe skinny can be persuaded

[hearty cedar]

Dont do her dirty like that lol

Its been a while since we have seen nc.bianca clears

[shrewd marten]

Skinny the person who we default to for arc do clears

[hearty cedar]

Poor skinny(but she does such a fantastic job tho)

[pearl pewter]

that was way easier than expected

5th UB clear

[snow spruce]

the NC Blue-Cynthia-Avery team honestly sounds good on paper. So much stuff packed into 3 pairs. You even can have all 4 WZTC up at the same time
Hope they can do 13/13
and it would be able to counter a grass terrain UB too
Too bad I'll never pull on Avery

[pearl pewter]

I can actually beat every UB with the units I have just need to dump 7 yellow candies into arc steven and cynthia and 2 into BT leon

it’s relieving to know at least

[snow spruce]

please dont use yellow candies on pokefairs

[paper mural]

It's a shame Lear + Avery need to change supports to do all ubs.

[olive scroll]

How do they counter grass terrain UB?

[snow spruce]

with P,.terrain

[olive scroll]

Oh nvm, I misread psychic terrain

[paper mural]

If there's a perfect support for them (like psychic arc support or sth) they'll be as good as Arc duo.

[fast pendant]

well you're asking for a perfect third that allows them to do what arc duo has being doing with several units that have little to no synergy with them.

so no, they wouldn't be as good as arc duo

since arc duo quite literally doesn't require a third specific

arc duo are already 2 super strong units that don't have a super specific synergy.

[pearl pewter]

ran it back on thorton

[hearty cedar]

Noice

[fading walrus]

Haven't seen this in the clears list weirdly enough

[stable storm]

could we get her to try this clear

[stable storm]

can anyone try Nita with
SS Lear, lillie and ss morty?

[stable tundra]

It would be possible if Lillie was not weak to Ground methinks

[gilded finch]

Who should I sync with?

Already changed the weather again btw

And got the rebuff back on suicune

Nvm i did it lol

I beat Argenta

LETS GO

[stable storm]

oof, still praying I get ss morty from the ticket to try the comp

[paper mural]

Prob bc SS Roxie + Oleana is a well known best poison core that Geeta is really not better to replace any of them in ubs.

[opaque dagger]

can you instaqueue ss gladion b-move as it recovers the mp from the passive?

is it just that the passive + sprint exr changes the timing?

[gentle wharf]

This time I made sure to remember to use Grass AND Psychic lol

[gilded finch]

Yo how do i beat palmer

[stable tundra]

the aim is beating him before he uses the max move

[gilded finch]

Lol that makes sense he always destroys me

With that

[pearl pewter]

majority of Palmer clears want rei for damage

good news is that he reruns on the 8th for LG

[paper mural]

Having Rei is just a start tho. Him alone is 100% not enough. He needs dmg booster like fighting zone and/or rebuff.
Also since Palmer doesn't have any "gimmick" and just want you to kill him before his max move, actually this is the least "specific units required" ub and you just need an overpower team with enough sync acceleration.

[stable storm]

Any really big damage team that is easy to setup is enough for palmer

[gilded finch]

Aw man i dont have rei

Should i just make arc lance 3/5 and try that

Or wait for rei

NC bianca 3/5 r aint enough lol

[manic sparrow]

Oh right ultimate battles exist lol

Here's my full roster and my fairs/seasonals/costumes/varieties only- any ults I could get out of the way with options like this, by chance? I admittedly haven't really dipped my toes into any of these before so I have no idea what to expect here haha

I'll dig around in the pins and see if I can find anything myself

[fading walrus]

Not enough speed debuffs

Because of the fact you'll need lotta heals for Lillie and morty

[gilded finch]

Beat Lucy

[fading walrus]

Yeah arc cyn beats her with just exless Nita + 4* clay

Sadly I tried with eggmons and they die too fast

[gilded finch]

Any tips for Leon? I hate that damage field 😭

[fading walrus]

Post your electric pairs

[fading walrus]

Oh lol

You have the ultimate team

[gilded finch]

Apparently not ultimate enough

[fading walrus]

Those 3 melt him

You just need to manage your NC blue heals well and to time your NC red max move

[gilded finch]

oh 💀

I do max move first thing

[stable storm]

also send your grids

[gilded finch]

I gotchu

CS2 and Vigilance

[fading walrus]

You don't need immediate para

By spamming HE2 discharge you'll get your para fast enough anyway

Meanwhile at 60% you want immediate para and ET

So max move is more profitable there

[gilded finch]

Ohhhhh so save max move for 60%

[fading walrus]

Also

You're not running overwhelm and satisfied snicker on blue?

That's crazy

Those are his best 2 tiles

[gilded finch]

Huh

[fading walrus]

No electrorepulsion 3 either

[gilded finch]

Ohhhh

I see

[fading walrus]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/2103/14500?s=5&l=150&r=6&p=0&a=17010801&g=AAECAwQFBggLDQ4QERITFRYZ&x=true

[gilded finch]

You right

[fading walrus]

widely considered the best NC blue grif

[gilded finch]

I should have all that

💀

[stable storm]

yeah that's why I wanted the grids

being unable to beat an ub with an optimal team is usually a grid issue from what I have seen

[gilded finch]

Im bad with grids

Lol

How about SST Red?

How does he look

[fading walrus]

It's fine

[lunar sedge]

He got all his major sync multipliers so is good

Just making sure your Piers and SST are running CS2 yeah?

[stable tundra]

You should consider caking Red if you haven't asap, an extra terrain with even longer extension is always good, especially for Leon

[fading walrus]

Well yeah, even tho with piers it should be in no way a problem

You get his own set + extension

[stable tundra]

Yeah but it's a great investment regardless

[fading walrus]

Yeah absolutely

Caked red is what makes him beat Leon at 1/5

[gilded finch]

Blue and Red are caked

[gilded finch]

Yeah sorry for late reply

Im gonna try it now

Welp lmao

NOOOOOO

[hearty cedar]

Rip

[stable tundra]

rolling a set of good skill gears can help

[gilded finch]

Should i look for kanto and electric stuff?

[stable tundra]

any theme that matches with Red should work

you generally want a 70 - 80 atk bracelet

[gilded finch]

What feather helps with that?

[stable tundra]

+feathers

[plucky swan]

Skill Feathers Classification:

Red Feather: Focus on Move damage Passives.
Pink Feather: Focus on Sync Moves damage Passives.
Blue Feather: Focus on Defensive Passives.

Green Feather: Mix of Red/Pink/Blue with added focus on Status & Interference Passives.
Purple Feather: Mix of Red/Pink/Blue with added focus on Weather passives.
White Feather: Mix of everything with bigger focus on Type Themes but with lesser stats.
Yellow Feather: Mix of everything with no particular focus.

Rainbow Feather: Fixed stats & passives tailor made for a specific pair.

[stable tundra]

using yellow feathers still gives you chances to roll for high atk bracelet, or you can try your luck with red or pink feathers and hope you get an extra powerup

[gilded finch]

I know the attack aint good but

[stable tundra]

that's a pin, not a bracelet

the bracelet focuses on atk, so the lowest atk you can get is 40

[gilded finch]

I did not know that

[stable tundra]

the pin is decent tho, but you can try to roll for a better one

[gilded finch]

Imma keep it like that for now and do the bracelet

ah

[stable tundra]

it's quite good

[gilded finch]

5% damage boost cause of paralysis

That could make a difference

[gilded finch]

I found a special feather that might be good

[stable tundra]

equip it to a bandana so Red can benefit from both high atk and those boosts

[gilded finch]

Bandana is special atk tho

[stable tundra]

60 atk is worse than 70 atk

and using the feather on bandana still gives Red access to those passives

[gilded finch]

Ohhhhh

[stable tundra]

as long as the unit shares at least one theme with the gear's, they get the full benefits

[gilded finch]

whats the reason for not putting it on a pin?