Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

[low coral]

That's exactly what I run as well

[river prawn]

Also SS Lear, Arc Steven and Anni Lillie clear Palmer pretty comfortably

[hearty cedar]

Evelyn should be easy af with that team

I just realized, this anni is the return of aoe supremacy

[river prawn]

I did Evelyn, Giovanni, Lucy, Darach and Palmer with them so far

oh Thorton too

[hearty cedar]

Thorton is too easy

[hearty cedar]

Posting the clears? Or just clearing them like me?

[river prawn]

nah I just clear them don't want to bother with recording

they will be done by others I am sure

[hearty cedar]

Lol can relate

[river prawn]

just want to test Lear

[hearty cedar]

Do we even want any steel zone setter like selene when we have anni lillie?

[river prawn]

so far I am very satisfied, especially his sync can quickly decimate sides

[hearty cedar]

For ubs i mean, she's already dominating

[hearty cedar]

And it's kinda funny knowing that if we ever need more circles then we can just use someone else like chase/bianca/avery(nvm)

[river prawn]

With Lillie the clears are faster so the short wtz is fine, but again if there was a Leon UB difficulty wise the wtz is not enough

[hearty cedar]

I should have picked selene instead of yoloing my paid gems

[low coral]

I think your Palmer run might've gotten into the replays

I thought it was mine for a moment, but Steven's move level didn't match

[river prawn]

No mine is 4/5 too

[low coral]

Then ig the first thing in everyone's mind is doing Palmer with Lear / Lillie / Steven

[hearty cedar]

The one time my clear made it to replays, someone copied the team, changed the position and replaced my clear

[river prawn]

It is a good test to see if the damage is strong enough

but the comp has excellent ramp too so it's a good matchup either way

and I would not put Steven as first in tactic to not have any quad messers

[hearty cedar]

Lear solves that issue thankfully(for the steel team, other cores dont care)

[snow spruce]

what do you mean more circles ?

[hearty cedar]

His sync's innate is circle

If we cant clear the stage with 3 pasio def circle then we can just use another circle user on the team

Thats what I meant

[snow spruce]

ah that. Well yeah, but only the innate. All the other passives require - Pasio Circle (Defensive)

[hearty cedar]

Ye

[river prawn]

Ahhh so close

[hearty cedar]

Noooooo

No endure again?

[river prawn]

No but a good idea

No potion mpr either

[hearty cedar]

He doesnt need it tbh

[river prawn]

Even tho it is gridded

[hearty cedar]

Go for endure again

Use potions on lear if needed

[river prawn]

What is also funny is that Steven was the last man standing and brought Nita from 10% to 1%

With speed buffs

[hearty cedar]

Wow

I genuinely believe that he's the best support in the game. He can do everything

[snow spruce]

well, not everything..
cant apply status
or cure status
or buff speed
or survive Noland first turn on his own

[polar spoke]

I think he’s the best support too, just that he isn’t completely head and shoulders above the rest like arc Cynthia is above the other damage dealers to me atm

[river prawn]

Bad screenshot

Easier than expected

[hearty cedar]

From almost dead team to almost no dmg taken

What a 180 lol

[river prawn]

Yeah gridded hs1 on Steven and gave Irida hs1

[low coral]

I think the biggest deal that puts Steven at the top are the stats

[river prawn]

Those defenses are crazy

Well I recorded this run so I guess

[hearty cedar]

Unfair af stats

[river prawn]

I will upload it

But the game lags with hail + Lears animations

Too much coins

[hearty cedar]

We need too many gems instead

[low coral]

My new phone doesn't even struggle too much with something in particular, but rather if they happen later in the battle lol

[river prawn]

Same this was 3 minutes into the battle

[low coral]

Make It Rain turn 1 is fine, but you can see a drop if it's turn 6

[hearty cedar]

It lags?

[low coral]

My only guess is that it has to do with RAM, how much does your phone have?

[river prawn]

6 GB

[hearty cedar]

Ram, processor and heat management. If your phone has all these covered then there wont be any problem

[hearty cedar]

Which OS and version?

[low coral]

My new one is better in all aspects except RAM

Went from 12 GB to 8 GB

[hearty cedar]

12 gigs is enough

Oh 8

Which OS version?

Bcuz android is implementing AI models which will take up ram

[river prawn]

Android 14

For me

[hearty cedar]

Ye 6gb might not be enough

[low coral]

12 GB didn't have that problem despite the weaker CPU and GPU

[river prawn]

soo a Noland clear left

I don't have the pairs to try that with Lear I fear

[hearty cedar]

Just use lana

Or ash

[river prawn]

No Ash, NC Cheren

[hearty cedar]

Nvm lana is better bcuz of eq

[snow spruce]

probably using this 3/5 (non-sync) grid on the Arc Duo team if I get him from a daily

[river prawn]

Wait I got him

With this whacky ass team

Ok now I am impressed

[hearty cedar]

Why Cofagrigus instead of steven?

[river prawn]

Steven has no way of avoiding fissure

[hearty cedar]

Oh ye true

If it wasnt for the sun, steven + lear + lillie could win against anabel

[river prawn]

this is also possible with Falkner, Phoebe is there for style points

officially Lear can clear every UB

not like it was much space to doubt it

[slate light]

based fhoebe user

[river prawn]

I used her for my first Noland clear too

but for drawn out Noland fights I really don't have a better support

you need 3-4 fissure dodges

[hearty cedar]

Ash turning noland into ash

I didnt even play well lol

[snow spruce]

I'm curious if Arc Duo + SS Lear can clear Noland similar to how it was done with NC Silver (let steven die and then spam sync accel and damage)
Lear is similar enough to NC Silver (or even better on this team) that I think it should work

[hearty cedar]

You can tbh

[river prawn]

https://youtu.be/cPSNVSOBBVs?si=aNIFjr_9RHKctuQD

I think its possible too but my Cynthia is 1/5

[shrewd marten]

Fashion disaster is op?

[river prawn]

you would want 4/5 if I had to guess

[river prawn]

very strong yes

[hearty cedar]

Hey, he's literally cladded in gold

[shrewd marten]

[hearty cedar]

His ex look is worse than his base look

[snow spruce]

if someone can do it then the Arc Duo + SS Lear team would be at 10/11 UBs I suppose. not bad

[hearty cedar]

My arc duo is 1/5 so I cant

But lear team having superior sync ramping capabilities should let them clear

Superior than silver comp i mean

[river prawn]

And tbh Lears damage is higher than Silvers

and powers up Cynthia more

[hearty cedar]

Yep

[snow spruce]

yeah I think Lear might be a bit better than Silver overall on the Arc team, at least for raw damage, even without the sand extension
but the lack of AoE flinch probably prevents them from doing sand Nita (or does it..)

[shrewd marten]

Hmmm

[hearty cedar]

Did that team clear anabel?

[shrewd marten]

He seem tempting but I am poor

[river prawn]

which one?

[hearty cedar]

I had 3k and i can do 3 more multis this month, I said F it and used my 3k on him. Got him. Luck is fickle

[shrewd marten]

[hearty cedar]

I went to pity on arc steven

For 1/5

[snow spruce]

you mean Steven - Lear -Irida on Anabel ?

[hearty cedar]

About 7-8 multis on cynthia

[hearty cedar]

Steven, lear and cynthia

[fast pendant]

Steven and Cynthia duo it, so

[snow spruce]

Steven + Cynthia can duo Anabel (and so can Cynthia and NC Blue)

[hearty cedar]

Fair

[river prawn]

Oh yeah I did it with 1/5 Cynthia it's super easy

[snow spruce]

Cynthia basically destroys Anabel

[river prawn]

Anabel is really not so hard with weather

[fast pendant]

Well, she's not that easy, it's just Cynthia's dmg is absurd

And both Steven and Blue have a lot of debuff

[river prawn]

Here is Argenta, Lilligant as a sun setter

[hearty cedar]

I kinda love bp lusamine

Such a good unit but arrived too late

[hearty cedar]

Can we do this even if we dont change weather?

[warm haven]

ouch money hurts

that bmove is insane

[river prawn]

Hmm hard

I am not familiar with those clears that kill Argenta in rain and how tight they are

[snow spruce]

I dont think Lear can do Argenta in rain
it takes Ash or AS Lance (=dragon Ash) or NC Serenas sync which itself benefits from the infinite rain
also that is a long fight, you would def run out of circle

[warm haven]

not with a duo but with a good partner they could

maybe ss steven

[river prawn]

I recorded my leon clear too

[hearty cedar]

Cant wait for dabbo to clear argenta again with anni steven, ss lear and arc steven

[river prawn]

https://youtu.be/yCCXNN9YOmo?si=1o92JYfO1bMFG_zX

buried in money

[high harbor]

Im trying the poison team with oleana and ss roxie with nc rosa, but its not enough on evelyn

[river prawn]

NC Rosa is the issue

pick someone who is sturdier and won't kill Posion zone uptime

but it could also be due to sing timing

[high harbor]

the dude on the spreadsheet used ss mina, but mine's only 2/5, and Im out of purple cookies, so neither oleana or mina have head start 1

[river prawn]

I doubt 5/5 Mina is a gamechanger there

[high harbor]

mistyped, mine's 2/5

[hearty cedar]

Tosakin's at it with ss lear

[hearty cedar]

Darach pre-sync

Could have cleared a turn sooner tbh

[shrewd marten]

I want this unit now

Owo

[lunar sedge]

I know one simple trick for a chance to have him

Gib gems

[shrewd marten]

I shall foist my fortune upon him

[hearty cedar]

Honestly worth it

[shrewd marten]

I am akin to a fallen noble in terms of gems

But fuck it we try

[warm haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOHOn1qcnew

damn even anabel

[fast pendant]

Don't post pulling images here

Yeah, I would imagine with Silver he can do most of the stages

[warm haven]

silver finds another place that's not rock again

[formal crescent]

FINALLY

[shrewd marten]

Wish bianca was that versatile

[hearty cedar]

Could have killed before argenta's 2nd sync if my steven was 4/5 instead of 1/5

[dense vessel]

What’s a good team for Battle a Serious Anabel my strongest fairy is a EX Diabtha

These are all the bonuses btw

[valid raft]

Penny/BP Valerie/Bertha

[hearty cedar]

1/5 steven and 6% palmer...if only my steven was 3/5 or 4/5

[dense vessel]

The event exports tomorrow and I only have a little over 1000 no coins

[dense vessel]

Where you talking to me?

[lunar sedge]

No

Mahesh is simply test running and posting what UBs can SS Lear do

[valid raft]

Do you have a BP Ticket?

[hearty cedar]

This is number 1 BS. N died but the other 2 killed. Time to try again for a cooler pic

Just realised i have 0 grids on steven

[quick pewter]

This team is so funny
I didn't get a screenshot of the KO on Darach shhhh

[hearty cedar]

That team is too good

[quick pewter]

My Lear is only 2/5 too I haven't even fully gridded him lol

[hearty cedar]

Screw that 1% hp on latios. It secretly has an endure

[sudden sandal]

Can the new Steel team beat Giovanni?

[quick pewter]

I haven't tried it and definitely don't have time now but I might give it a shot later

[hearty cedar]

If steven is at 4/5 then yes

[sour elk]

Steel team could beat Gio with P Marnie and Lillie, so I've no doubt Lear and either would clear too

[low coral]

If anything, the only worry Lear has is doing too much damage early

So he has to hold back to not make Giovanni buff pre-sync

[misty moon]

I tryharded and I found a way to beat this. You need skill gear though. Save Lillie’s b move until the last rotation before sync and have lears b move next. 2nd Sync with Lear and have Steven and lillie target empoleon in case he doesn’t die off. Use lears regular attack after his sync and then circle, save the 2nd b move after your 3rd sync with lillie.

Quad queue on the 3rd sync can help if you get a low roll but I didn’t need it

Lears grid was focused towards dps

[hearty cedar]

1/5 steven, 3/5 ss lear, 5/5 lillie

[shrewd marten]

Wow lear goes hard

[hearty cedar]

I figured out that my steven had 0 grid tiles so I gridded him for 1/5 and palmer now dies thanks to extra atk and iron head/bullet punch nodes

[dense vessel]

Not currently

[hearty cedar]

I was worried if I could clear this without steven's extra atk/sp.atk debuffs. Turns out that overwhelming dmg doesnt care about all that

[hearty cedar]

So every ub except anabel/nita/leon can be cleared with 1/5 arc steven and 3/5 ss lear.

Good to know that this core works this well for non-invested arc steven users

I think I just need either some practice or flinch luck on nita

[low coral]

Anabel should be doable as well

[paper mural]

You mean duo? Or use whatever the third that counter gimmick?

[low coral]

Third for the gimmick

[hearty cedar]

Who's the partner?

[snow spruce]

Hopefully someone showcases some fully invested Arc Duo + Lear clears soon, especially on Noland
I wanna see the raw damage, its arguably the highest raw damage team in the game (their competition is Ice Team-Chase I guess)

[hearty cedar]

Pretty much. So far the teammates have been lillie(mostly), nc.leaf(for argenta) and anni N(for evelyn)

Oh wait, I used ash + lear + lana for noland. Dang it, I need to try using steven + lear. Wish I had grusha

[paper mural]

40%!? WOW.

[hearty cedar]

No wonder I was getting such awesome numbers

I was holding back against giovanni ub so that I dont kill the sides fast and trigger giovanni to kill me with the tm + sync combo

[paper mural]

It's ironically that "too much dmg" is a drawback in some strategy.

[river prawn]

I had the same "problem"

Too much damage

So I just push steel zone later

[hearty cedar]

Same

[dense vessel]

Why is Dianta’s Gardevoir’s sync horrible while it’s DPS is mid

[hearty cedar]

Old unit, thats why

Only older units I can think of that are still good today are ss red, N/zekrom and og lance/dragonite

[paper mural]

Wait for her to get fairy arc suit.

[river prawn]

Also mega with nerfed sync BP

[hearty cedar]

I'm kinda tempted to make yt channel and post arc steven and nc.nate clears lol. My clears almost never makes it to replays anyway

[dense vessel]

I swapped N with Ash & Pikachu

[hearty cedar]

For what stage?

[dense vessel]

I mean in my current usage

I tried to use ash chase and Volkner against Johto

It didn’t work well for some reason

[hearty cedar]

Johto ebe?

[snow spruce]

both pokefair Cynthias (especially Kommo-o) > Zekrom, except in LAs i guess (piercing blows)
both got diamond grids same as OG lance, really good for old units

[hearty cedar]

As an avid kommo-o enjoyer, there's no way in hell it's better than zekrom lol

Base cynthia is debatable

I can argue against it tho

But yes, base cynthia is also still very good

[dense vessel]

Yessir

[hearty cedar]

What's the team, i remember we have to use status on them

[dense vessel]

Ash, Chase, and Volkner

Chase is a bonus for Ash and Volkner has electric terrain

[hearty cedar]

Chase has guaranteed para, are you having any issues with para'ing them?

[paper mural]

You also need to drop spdef, so they won't hit a million dmg, which your team seems lacking. (unless your Chase is 5/5)

[dense vessel]

I sadly don’t have SS Red and Pikachu

[dense vessel]

No

Tbh I would alway paralyzes them by accident

[hearty cedar]

Show me your roster once

[hearty cedar]

Not needed at all tbh

[hearty cedar]

I dont have chase so I cant replicate your runs perfectly but chase + ash + zekrom should win easily no?

[paper mural]

Yeah with 1/5 Chase and no spdef debuff you're gonna be deleted quick.

[hearty cedar]

I didnt use any sp.def drops

Nvm i did

I forgot I used ss roxie

[hearty cedar]

Show me your best units

[dense vessel]

Ash is one of them lol

[hearty cedar]

And who else

[snow spruce]

? have you looked at Kommo-os diamond grid ? its real good and you can get most tiles
how is it not better than Zekrom ? his 5/5 grid was pretty mid and he never got the cheap 3/5 grid expansion. Outside of PB niche Zekrom is pretty ass IMO
and ignoring the new "synergy" (aka carry) with AS Cynthia - Kommo-o is definitely > old Garchomp simply because it has a 4-bar 200BP move instead of 3-bar EQ and doesnt rely on sand
I got like 1,7+ Mil DC score with Kommo-o in Dragon 3v3, thats very high for a 2020 pokefair (on par with what SS Red could get even with the NC leaf boost). Sure DC is a specific mode, but you dont get that score without having good damage

[hearty cedar]

I did. She got insanely useful tiles. Thing is, in the contest of who got the better tiles with the expansion, it's definitely ssc but remember that ssc needed more with the expansion than zekrom has

The intial bp difference that zekrom has along with it's niche tools like guaranteed para(rare use) and berserker makes him way better than ssc. The base kit carries zekrom

I cant comment on DC bcuz I never do a proper run on them bcuz they are boring to me

Nuke:- ssc > zekrom
Dps:- zekrom > ssc

[dense vessel]

@hearty cedar did you see my roster?

[hearty cedar]

Oh f, i forgot

Let me try something

[hearty cedar]

Mate, I dont know where you are messing up but I cleared that stage with no sp def drops using this team

Chase is way better than sonia in this team btw

[dense vessel]

I used Volkner instead of Blastoise

[dense vessel]

Btw what is the move level of your Ash?

[hearty cedar]

3/5

[hearty cedar]

I used blastoise bcuz it has both def buffs and sp def buffs and my blastoise is just 2/5

You can use volkner and use circle + terrain to blow that stage apart. Idk where you are doing it wrong

[dense vessel]

Mine is 2/5

[hearty cedar]

Aah, maybe 3/5 is needed

Just keep trying

My main atk was the btbolt

And you have circle and terrain which I didnt

[dense vessel]

What’s circle?

[hearty cedar]

Kanto circle special from chase

[snow spruce]

@low coral do you have a video or screenshot for your Ice team-Chase Leon clear? Preferably one that also shows pre-sync
I just noticed I still only have the in-game team viewer screenshot for this one, nothing in-battle

[low coral]

No, and prob won't have for quite some time

[snow spruce]

and the same for Darach too (also Ice team-Chase)

alright np

if you have it later - ping me

[low coral]

Since idr even the strat

Idr if it even was done by me or not lol

[snow spruce]

then how do you know it was pre-sync ?

[low coral]

Because that part I do remember lol

It's much easier to remember the state of a battle than the entire turn by turn

[snow spruce]

has Noland ever been done pre-sync? no teams on my doc have a pre-sync Noland
is it possible?

[low coral]

Cheren does it iirc

[warm haven]

with crazy rng cheren did it yeah

[snow spruce]

got a link ?

[paper mural]

NC Cheren + SS Ethan more specifically.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7MbGDK2544

[true lagoon]

thats insane

[crisp shore]

I have Arc Steven 4/5 and should have Arc Cynthia at 3/5 soon. Could those 2+ 3/5 NC Cheren handle Nita? The last UB i have left.

[fast pendant]

Yes

[crisp shore]

Any particular quirks (flinch needs, lucky skills, etc) I should need to look out for or just a matter of playing the battle strat right?

[fast pendant]

I might have it recorded, let me check

[uncut drum]

You need to be lucky with flinches since Nita is powered up in sand. Cynthia can debuff speed though

[fast pendant]

I'm uploading, I'll ping you when it's ready

[crisp shore]

Thanks!

[snow spruce]

so you can indeed "quad queue" an action right after stevens flinch, before the enemy action

does it require his 4/5 tile?

[warm haven]

In my experience that's only possible the first turn

I do it with grusha

[low coral]

I think it might be related to the B unlock

[low coral]

Hmm, if it's done with Grusha, it can't be B

Unless it's Stoic Grusha lol

[fast pendant]

You can quad queue most stuns as long as the unit has some passive procing

And the move from the opponent is not a tm

I can pretty reliably do it with Rosa and Steven

Steven I think it's the free move and Rosa the def or sp.def passive

[polar spoke]

Nope you can’t thats a myth

[low coral]

What

[polar spoke]

There are only a few instances where you are guaranteed frames for quad queue

1. Staggering and the likes, as Lyra, Elaine etc

[low coral]

Why would Runner lie tho, maybe it was just a misconception

[fast pendant]

And those frames exist due to the passives procing

[polar spoke]

Never said he lied

[low coral]

But we clearly see in the video an Iron Head flinch working

[polar spoke]

Just finish what I’m about to say first please

2. Your flinch causes the attacking unit to change

3. You kill a target

What happened in the video is 2

[fast pendant]

I literally said that

As a condition

[low coral]

Yeah, he listed the opponent's move not being a TM

[polar spoke]

Passives like mgr or def and sp def dont work

[fast pendant]

They do, they increase the frame

[polar spoke]

They don’t lol

If the attacking unit remains the same they don’t

Take Nita here for example

If she can use a trainer move she would’ve queued before you

[fast pendant]

I know

[polar spoke]

The only way you can guarantee a quad is a stagger like passive

[low coral]

I think Runner's talking about the queue window only for when that does happen

Where the timing gets more forgiving

Not necessarily what enables it

[polar spoke]

What I’m saying is you can’t really quad queue most stuns if you or your opponent procs a passive

[fast pendant]

You're removing the condition I gave for it to happen

Which is the opponent not using a tm

If the opponent doesn't use a tm you can in fact quad queue most stuns

[polar spoke]

I mean that’s literally what you said

Not that I’m trying to argue or anything

[fast pendant]

Lol you totally are

Read the message bellow

[polar spoke]

Your second statement does not contradict what I was saying.

My statement was in response to your first one and only your first one.

• You can quad queue most stuns as long as the unit has some passive procing

[fast pendant]

Yeah, and you said "let me finish and read" while not reading what I said

[polar spoke]

Most passives procing does not allow quad queue is the point

[snow spruce]

most or all?
would any other iron head flinch also work in this situation and allow QQ?

[fast pendant]

It's possible but the queue window is way shorter

[snow spruce]

ok

[fast pendant]

To the point it's not reliable

[snow spruce]

so stevens passive (free move ?) just increases the timing window?

[fast pendant]

As I said, I can quad queue reliably with Rosa and Steven due to their sure passives

[formal matrix]

Can we talk about with SS Lear and a steel zone setter, arc Steven’s damage is actually insane for a “support”

[fast pendant]

It is

[polar spoke]

Can you provide a video?

Not that I’m not believing you because I can never proc it

Not with Steven and never with Rosa

[fast pendant]

The video above has it

[polar spoke]

That is not because of Steven’s passive

[fast pendant]

I'm gonna have to ask you to read it all again

[polar spoke]

It is because Steven’s flinch forced a different attacking target

[formal matrix]

So arc Steven is hitting 2mil damage per iron head if following the metric in the old damage calculation document.

[fast pendant]

I never said the sure passive allows directly the quad queue

It makes ir easier by increasing the window

It's a facilitator

You can quad queue aggravation flinches, but they're extremely rng without passive procing even when the opponent changes the one moving

[snow spruce]

so if they used a TM there - then steven would not have been able to QQ, right?
.. but a staggering passive flinch would still have been able to QQ even if its a TM?

[polar spoke]

What I’m saying here is aggravation cannot facilitate a quad queue, like 0

Not even facilitating

[fast pendant]

Holy shit you're not reading at all and nitpicking

[polar spoke]

I had never seen or experienced a situation where an aggravation has led to a successful quad

No I’m just trying to clear things up here smh

[polar spoke]

Exactly

Finally

Yes

Thank you

[fast pendant]

Staggering is possible, others aren't in thar scenario, given even the amount of passives you have change the window time, Blue has super easy quad queue due to that while others have a tighter window

[polar spoke]

Staggering gives a very generous amount of frames

Similar to Lyra or sc Steven

But aggravation gives 0 is the whole point

If you want a guaranteed quad you have to stagger

Or bank on a ton that is scripted to not be used

[fast pendant]

I've been saying this whole time they need change to target to work, you're arguing a situation I'm not talking about

[polar spoke]

I’m never arguing against you

My statement was against a widespread belief that aggravation or the likes can force a quad with perfect timing

[snow spruce]

i get that stagerring is always better
but if there are scenarios where aggravation flinch can still manage a QQ - thats also good. So it must NOT be a TM and having a passive - increaes the window for an aggravation flinch. Thats how i got it

[polar spoke]

When it couldn’t

[paper mural]

Yet some ppl think pair ArcSteven and SSLear together is a waste of ArcSteven's PMUN.
(It's not on ArcSteven and whatever the third you bring)

[polar spoke]

If you want a consistent quad especially in slower fights where quad is essential aggravation isn’t the way to go

[fast pendant]

You can actually sure quad queue Vs UB 'cause first center flinch always changes target

[polar spoke]

Yes the first attack is the only time when it happens, once it gets further the consistency is not there since it’s not scripted anymore

[snow spruce]

i want to have options. you dont always have a staggering flinch

[formal matrix]

I actually did calculations and it shows arc Steven’s iron head is around nc cheren’s bleakwind storm range (but single target), (with nc cheren with anni skyla and a random support, cheren will get higher if a better support is involved tho)

[polar spoke]

That’s fair

[dense vessel]

I ended up beating it with Ash Chase and Arc Steven

Given the team I have is it possible to be Anabel in the EBE

[modest orchid]

For the Unova extreme battle, what’s the intended strategy? Just have a field effect and somehow not care about accuracy debuffs or status? That feels like a big ask

[forest aurora]

I can’t speak to what an “intended” strategy could be, but a lot of the more recent strike pairs tend to have accuracy ignoring B moves, and if you can get a field effect it’ll prevent their enhanced defense. Normally the issue I have is the guaranteed status infliction. Best to disrupt them or have passives to block those, methinks.

It is definitely not an easy fight though. Most of these feel as if you’re intended to have the Arc suit pairs or something similar.

My best attempt almost won by using NC Red, Irida and Melony, but N’s sync move one shot the whole team. N was down to 14% and Hilda had 8%. They would’ve died to my blizzard but N beat me to it.

[valid raft]

You do realize that Irida's ice zone is helping out N too righ?

[forest aurora]

It is, yes, but considering he did 1K+ damage with the Sync move, even if it expired I still die to sync 1

So I’m not sure if going with something else really changes anything.

Field effect defense is just kinda super awkward in that you have to work with very specific sync pairs you already have.

Not to mention it needing to last long enough that you can secure the win before it expires…

[valid raft]

Also, did you use Red's Protect before N synced?

[forest aurora]

I didn’t have the opportunity to, admittedly (tried to gamble I input blizzard before AI sync’d), but I’m unsure if damage guard would’ve done enough for red to live…

Idk how much damage guard reduces from a sync move

[valid raft]

50%

[forest aurora]

In the Best case, red barely lives it to do one more attack (with ice zone active).

It’d do like 80-90% of his HP

[dense vessel]

This is the warning I was given

[valid raft]

That's Anabel, not the Unova trio EB

[modest orchid]

That one is also a nightmare but I just gave up on R2 of that one lol

[dense vessel]

I said Anabel EB before

Do you know how I can beat her with my team?

[remote nexus]

having trouble with anabel too lol, even with ss nemona

always get about this far, seems like most ppl (me included) are struggling w her 2nd/3rd sync

apparently EX ss nemona would do it but I’m not really willing to spend that rn lol

[valid raft]

What team?

[remote nexus]

Got her one hit b4 death

[dense vessel]

This is my team

@valid raft

[valid onyx]

@hearty cedar I beat Darach and Lucy with the team you gave yesterday hahaha damn they're so op 😂

(Sorry for the ping btw)

I should try to beat more later hmmm

[limpid egret]

Are any of the EBEs easy enough to beat with a f2p team?

Only have a day left of the event so i want to try to beat at least one

[hearty cedar]

Congrats, they can also beat giovanni. If you have anni N then use him instead of lillie against evelyn. If you have nc.leaf then use her instead of lillie against argenta

And pinging is ok, dw

[valid onyx]

Rip I don't have Anni N and Leaf because I just started this year but I'll try Giovanni later XD

[rich heron]

I always get close to defeating Giovanni but end up dying

I had to ex Misty

I will try more now

[hearty cedar]

Let me know who you have later so we can think of replacements for them so you can clear other stages too

[high zephyr]

guys can lear beat nita?

[hearty cedar]

He can

I got close but I messed up

[rich heron]

It will be over soon
I will defeat gio UB soon

[faint goblet]

I used SSMorty, Neo Leaf with Acuity lucky skill (gives team status immunity in sun), and SSNemona (Fairy-type group-target attack that does not suffer multitarget damage dispersion)

I, meanwhile, might like some ideas for facing Team Kanto

[high zephyr]

would pull lear if he can beat Nita consistently

[hearty cedar]

Who are you using?

[rich heron]

Ss Misty, akari and nc blue

I saw a run in game

[hearty cedar]

Who do you have?

You can try to overwhelm gio with sheer power instead of debuffing him twice

[rich heron]

In dark , I don't have much

[rich heron]

Ye

I am close to defeating btw with this team
So let's see

[hearty cedar]

No need to use ontype if you have very powerful offtype units

I'm pretty sure you don't have this team but steven + lear + lillie beats giovanni every single time(1/5 arc steven btw)

[rich heron]

Steven

He is shafting me till yet

That's why can't pull lear

[hearty cedar]

Ye steven took me to pity for 1/5

[rich heron]

[paper mural]

Is your ArcSteven 4/5 to contribute atk debuff?
If not you prob would do better with on region atk debuffer or def buffer with more bulk and more dmg.

[vale path]

only got a bit of time, anyone know how to clear anabel without nemona or penny

[stable tundra]

Please send your Fairy and Paldea roster here

[hearty cedar]

Isnt there a f2p team for that stage?

[remote nexus]

my steven is 1/5 unfortunately,, but i beat that anabel much easier after maxing out my sycamore and nemona lol

[hearty cedar]

With like sycamore, bp valerie and bertha

[vale path]

I do have a 1/5 ACynthia as well if that even does anything

[stable tundra]

You can use BP Valerie and SS Mina. The third is an attack debuff

Do you have NC Leaf?

[vale path]

ye

[hearty cedar]

Ss mina + ss gladion + ss wally destroys that stage

[paper mural]

I've seen Sycamore + Nemona + OG MINA beat it but still congratz.

[hearty cedar]

Guys, he already has the best fairy team in the game

[vale path]

tried that at the beginning
didn't work for me
what grid and strat did you run
might just be brain issue on my end

[remote nexus]

og mina?? wow lol, i tried her originally and got steamrolled

[stable tundra]

No constant atk debuffing tho

OG Mina might work but there is no gauge

[hearty cedar]

No need tbh

[stable tundra]

NC Blue also works too

[hearty cedar]

I dont have ss mina so i used penny and stole their stats. My wally is 2/5. Use ss mina to change weather and spam dmg on that stage

[stable tundra]

You have Penny, that doesn't speak much

[vale path]

now the problem is i have no penny

[hearty cedar]

Mina is better

[remote nexus]

the same team also best the challenge top-tier N, however with the others… im gonna need some move candies for dteven

[stable tundra]

Penny has stat stealing and rebuffs, that already makes huge difference

[vale path]

how do i set her grid up

[stable tundra]

Anyway, i see NC Blue works better since he has debuffs and occasionally flinch, also healing and 20% multiplier on sync

[hearty cedar]

There's a replay there with move levels lower than yours. You can copy them and then add extra tiles that you want to have since your move levels are higher

[stable tundra]

Wow

[vale path]

ooh

[hearty cedar]

There's nothing to be surprised lol

That stage is easy for the fairy team

Screw either one of its gimmicks

[vale path]

mfw wally misses ana

[paper mural]

SS Wally drops atk too. Yes it's -4 only but 3/5 SS Glad can delete them before they stack back +6 ig.

[vale path]

^ lol

give him acuity?

man i regret not asking here earlier

guess im skipping this stupid eb

[hearty cedar]

Lol

Just keep trying

[vale path]

Nah I have stuff to do until like
15 minutes to reset

[hearty cedar]

You have like 1hr 50 mins

[vale path]

I too wish I can use that time solely on pm bruh

[hearty cedar]

[vale path]

Ngl I've lost most of my interest in pm these days bruh

[hearty cedar]

Understandable

[vale path]

My pm routine for the past 6 months has been
Log in 1 hour before reset, do the dailies, and clear Cs 15k within the week

[shrewd marten]

@hearty cedar u convinced me

I now play in jp

Okabe va is peak

4/5 3/5 1/5

Not impressive but fun

[limpid egret]

Ive only managed to beat the galar EBE

Is there an "easiest" EBE?

Or at least one that seems doable for me?

[hearty cedar]

Gratz

[dense vessel]

Is it possible for me to beat EBE Anabel with my sync pairs?

[stable tundra]

Please take screenshots of your Fairy and Paldea roster

[valid raft]

There's a F2P clear if you're willing to do it

[dense vessel]

I am

[valid raft]

Let's hope you can read Japanese

[valid raft]

Wait

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TB4f1bDvVU

Ah wait, EX Sycamore

NVM

[valid raft]

You said you have no more BP tickets right?

[dense vessel]

Unfortunately I don’t

By the time i get more the event is over

Penny is the only one I have that is useful

[valid raft]

Then I'm sorry to tell you this, but you have no chance

Especially since there are a lot of stuff you need to counter

Like the attack buff, hail and accuracy debuffs

[dense vessel]

I hate that they made it that is no longer free 2 play

I took a break from the game for over a year and came back less than a month ago

[valid raft]

I've shown you a F2P clear above, but you're only lacking EX Sycamore

Not sure if you got Bertha

[dense vessel]

I have Bertha

[valid raft]

3/5?

[dense vessel]

2/5

[valid raft]

Ah well, no chance either way

Bertha unlocks something important at 3/5 that can counter the attack buff gimmick

[valid raft]

I'm sorry

[stable tundra]

Extreme (and Ultimate) Battles have always been restrictive

[paper mural]

I mean clearing ebes with f2p units always need super high investment and in gacha game logic if you want your roaster has high investment you need to stick playing.

[dense vessel]

Who are some good Pokémon in the Kanto EBE

My strongest rock is Emmet and Archeops

[hearty cedar]

Any mon that can setup sand or hail and also can drop defense

[paper mural]

Try arcSteven + '24anniLillie + someone who change weather to rain or sandstorm.

[hearty cedar]

Ingo + emmet + diantha should work

[paper mural]

Not hail. Hail boosts NC Red on the other side.

[hearty cedar]

Oh ye i forgot

Sand or rain

[lunar sedge]

Have frogs did Kantrio EBE?

Well moreso just Cerena+SS Kris I suppose since Calem's late rain won't cut it

[hearty cedar]

I killed kanto ebe with this one. You can stall the weather if you want

[limpid egret]

Can i beat the johto EBE with this? Ive managed to beat all the others

[valid raft]

Johto requires you to inflict status conditions on all enemies

[rotund oasis]

and anti flinch on your team. unless you can kill ss lyra super fast o.o

[valid raft]

Technically you also need trap immunity, but that's assuming you don't kill SS Kris late game

[limpid egret]

Yeah its been seeming like the hardest for sure

I rarely go outside of my main teams though so im unsure on the units i have that could do the best on it

[high zephyr]

btw can 3/5 cynthia, 2/5 steven and 3/5 sstred able to best Nita consistently?

[snow spruce]

you probably want 4/5 Steven if possible

[lean minnow]

whats the gimmick of the unova battle?

[raven wharf]

Is nita ub impossible without a 3/5 irida?

[stable tundra]

Without 3/5 you need to bring a weather changer to override all 3 sandstorm

Which restricts you a lot

Unless you have 3/5 NC Red

[raven wharf]

Triple weather uhhh

Morty,may,kris

Possible?

[paper mural]

If you have 3/5 NC Red, 1/5 Irida or eggmon Lapras can work, bc Red can change weather once himself.

Otherwise according to the in game clear SS Morty is the second most use after Irida.

[tacit hatch]

what does this battle gimmick want?

why is it both rain and sun

does it just mean not hail

[final yacht]

any wtz

[river prawn]

They don't set any in the battle

[tacit hatch]

oh lol ok

[final yacht]

and accuracy buffs/piercing gaze pref

[paper mural]

The opponents have no wtz: def & spdef up passive.
Also need to beware of para and burn they'll apply to your whole team.

[tacit hatch]

noted

[azure jungle]

Struggle a lot against new extreme battles, especially galar and Kanto ones. Can be clearable with my invest?

[tacit hatch]

my steak of ss lear clears will continue (teamwide impervious)

[paper mural]

Btw the writer was prob thinking of SS Mina + SS Nemona so accidentally recommend two weathers that can't coexist.

[raven wharf]

Ss Morty...with who?

For ice ss silver is my best

Lemme check my brute force units rq

[paper mural]

Before ArcCynthia debut, aside from Irida the list was also full of SS Morty + NC Cheren.

[raven wharf]

I don't have cheren

[stable tundra]

you can try SS Morty Irida SS Lear

[raven wharf]

Crit...

They have too much damage ,even with a defensive Morty grid everyone is getting hit bad

[river prawn]

That is because their speed is raised

As long as they have +1 or more speed they do more damage

[stable tundra]

you don't have room for Irida's TM btw

Nita raises her team's speed aggressively
and please give everyone Vigilance

[rich heron]

Finally finally

This UB also done

[snow spruce]

Nita is the hardest fight in the game

[rich heron]

Only 2 left

[paper mural]

Nita is built for the previous "the strongest team" and the difficulty shows.

[raven wharf]

Yeah Nita is hard

Morty needs sun up 24/7

I don't think irida is any good here if she isn't here for damage too

Team sunbathed basically carries the team 's healing because enemy aoe is nasty

[snow spruce]

if you are using Irida then Morty probably isnt optimal. use a tanky non-weather support (Steven, SSA Cynthia, Blue)

[fast pendant]

you don't need sun up all the time

you only need to save for when the opponent uses sandstorm

[raven wharf]

Irida is 1/5

[snow spruce]

1/5 can be enough

[raven wharf]

And enemy is too aggressive with aoe

[fast pendant]

but you do need someone to debuff atk or just kill it fast

[raven wharf]

Killing it fast is mostly out of the question

I don't have ncred

My brute forcers

[fast pendant]

you're trying with lear yeah

SST red could be worth a try, what's your ss morty's level

or NC Nate

[raven wharf]

3/5 both

My main worry is the aoe

[fast pendant]

morty is 3/5 as well?

[raven wharf]

Yeah

[fast pendant]

try with nate, he will reduce their dmg on the physical side

with red would for sure be pretty annoying

but might be possible

[raven wharf]

Should I swap irida for oleana

If irida is only sure for speed debuffs she's kinda useless

Unless they shake off poison

[fast pendant]

give it a try, if you can make oleana survive sync

problem with oleana and red both

are that they want to use max move for guard

but they also want to use max move to set status

[raven wharf]

Should I go with defensive,offensive or heal oriented grid for morty

[raven wharf]

Should my first sync go to Lear so morty can use his field exr later

[fast pendant]

I don't think lear is the way to go

Nate would have access to his own zone for 2 syncs

which should do better dmg than lear

[raven wharf]

Oh wait mb nate yeah

Nate first sync or morty

It's either sun now dz later or dz later sun now

[fast pendant]

morty first

[raven wharf]

I should use unova passion only when I'm syncinc with nate next right

Yeah no

Oleana debuffs are great for nate and morty

But not for her

And nita has too much bulk

Nate sync with 2 sync buffs,dz,unova circle,max multipliers does only 10% of her health

This also include 2 bmoves

Man i miss when Anabel used to be the hardest

[fringe stratus]

I’m gonna wait for lear’s buff block grid extension and irida’s exr before I even attempt nita

[fading walrus]

1/5 irida already counters Nita a very good amount tbh

[timid prairie]

how do I beat this

[faint goblet]

The top pinned post explains the fight gimmicks
If you do not have a team that can deal with the fight's gimmicks, you either cannot deal meaningful damage or the enemy obliterates you quickly

[stable tundra]

You must inflict a status condition, according to the pins

[faint goblet]

It's not just a test of "did you get the latest whalebait"
It's also a test of "did you get these other specific whalebaits from the last few years"

I used Redchu and Geeta on that fight

As for me, I think I want suggestions on how to beat Team Kanto. I tried 5/5 Olivia, 1/5 Geeta, 1/5 Ingo, but they can't put out enough damage within two Sandstorms

[olive venture]

who can work to beat the kanto level

[faint goblet]

I don't have SSDiantha

[lean trench]

You need rock damage field to counter darach right

Akari won’t cut it

[faint goblet]

Sand is fine

P sure I've beaten his rally version by using sun

[warm crescent]

Can this team reasonably beat this stage?

Tried with Anni Lillie instead of Lear but no dice

[fading walrus]

You'd need status immunity wouldn't you

[warm crescent]

Lear has that and thats about it I think

[fading walrus]

Oh righto

[tall escarp]

Yeah give it a shot

[shrewd marten]

Had some fun playing with akari and arven jp voice actors

[crude kite]

the extreme region battles end tomorrow and i still haven’t done unova or alola ☠️ oops

[paper mural]

Also test for reading lol

[warm crescent]

Lost again

Maybe its a piloting issue but idk

[valid raft]

SS N's sync is ice so Cynthia will most likely die

[snow spruce]

she wont die at full hp and at +6 defences. Especially with the defensive circle mitigation
these EBEs dont hit that hard, its perfectly possible for dps to take SE sync damage

[faint goblet]

Or end tonight, depending on timezone

A bit under 16 hours from now, either way

[paper mural]

I think the timing of SS Lear's Circle is prob the key.
If use it wrong and not prevent your team from the status it hurts.

[true lagoon]

isnt it just a universal protection or am i wrong

never mind i cant read

[warm crescent]

So I have to time his circle better?

I didnt even know it only lasted a little while

[crude kite]

tomorrow night for me

man idek if i wanna attempt them anymore 🤣

[warm haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cp1van_wO8

i underestimated the steel duo

they can just slot almost anything

[river prawn]

Just insane damage

[lean trench]

Yes

Even just Anni Lillie can

[river prawn]

And I love how Lears ramp goes well with Steven

If you grid HS1 and give HS1 as ls on Steven, if the battle allows flinch you can basically do a sync before the first enemy move

Just have to instaqueue a move which is posssible

And then a circle post sync solves the quad issue

[warm haven]

yeah even if steven isnt great at sync accel lear just fix that problem

Lear's kit is one of the best designed i've seen

[river prawn]

Steven is not a sync accel support and team triage tang is annoying

But having grid hs1 goes a long way I feel

[low coral]

Well, Gardenia isn't just anything tbf, she's decently solid on her own for a Steel-type

[shrewd marten]

I mean I didn’t need the specific counters per region

[river prawn]

They can afford much worse thirds

[shrewd marten]

There were only a few ones that were super annoying

[river prawn]

You can do Evelyn easily with Viola (I mean base)

[faint goblet]

Hm? These fights aren't region boosted. The best counters I found came from other regions entirely

E.g. for Galar, the best counters I found were SS N (debuff offense), Neo Blue (stack defense), and Neo Red (Freeze to buy time for Neo Blue to catch up to the debuffs)

[warm haven]

ah yeah i forgot she had steelzone too

[true lagoon]

they are designed for specific units

johtrio is ss roxie for example

[faint goblet]

Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at

SSRoxie isn't Johto
But she is specific

[valid raft]

Just like SS Diantha and NC Silver on the Kanto EB

[river prawn]

This is basically any third, Winona is rain and chip

Steven does three times her damage, and her flinch is not needed because Steven covers it

[warm haven]

now with tech lapras pls

[river prawn]

The hail chip is annoying

But Anabel takes a lot of damage from it too

[warm haven]

yeah the hail does more damage the first turns than most of the OP teams

[river prawn]

Wait eggmon is Pasio theme

[warm haven]

[river prawn]

Ahh the hail chip stops the instaque

Can you flinch Anabel in sun?

Oh no you can't

[remote nexus]

could someone link the pinned post? disc mobile is disc mobile and doesn’t have the option to see it lol

[faint goblet]

Oh, it's viewable in mobile, it's just cursed as hell. Hold on...

[remote nexus]

it’s the latest iOS 18 update ver and it’s absolutely lobotomised,, it’s so bad

[faint goblet]

There you go, for future reference

[remote nexus]

thank you ^^

[faint goblet]

If that still doesn't work, come back and I (or someone else if I'm distracted) can link the post instead

[remote nexus]

Ahh i figured it out. I don’t have that menu but long pressing the settings button gives the same option

[shrewd marten]

And that was what I was saying, I didn’t need that

Old op units worked just fine for the most part

[faint goblet]

Extreme Battles always focus on whalebait.

I clear a lot of them without said whalebait, but that doesn't make them any less focused on it

[faint goblet]

The issue here is from someone trying to use the new whalebait (Arc trio) against a fight demanding a completely different whalebait (Johtrio)

These EBEs are unusual in that they demand whalebait other than the newest set

[final yacht]

+pins

[plucky swan]

See below on how to check channel pins!
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/957144362624634931/1214245497754091570/Pin.mp4?ex=65f8693e&is=65e5f43e&hm=b9d9e7a1a428377ebb0ef122514359d2405dd3f4e0775c17f2146eb06ca90a67&

[warm crescent]

Maybe theres something wrong with my build then

[river prawn]

Tech Lapras sadly couldn't witness its achievement

And I would again add that SS Lear is fire weak so this is inherently an unfavorable matchup

But if anything it shows the damage output, zoneless they power through Anabel

[faint goblet]

"Bow, before my power!"

Lear's gone into unfavorable matchups before. Faced Pikachu with his flying-type.
The difference is, this time he can win

[warm haven]

tech lapras carries another comp

it's amazing how their damage is so strong that they can beat anabel with 3 circles only

[river prawn]

I underestimated their damage

Before release

They can keep up zoneless with the top comps

Of course many UBs want any wtz to clear them, but the important part is it is not needed to have steel zone

[warm haven]

yeah

i hope they get a steel zone + weather for UBs

[final yacht]

which pokemon would even make sense for a steel zone weather combination

[warm haven]

archaludon

[final yacht]

Oh true

but he's gonna be dragon you already know it

not steel

[warm haven]

it would still be worth

if it has steel zone

[formal matrix]

Can always have a steel type pokemon with sandstorm by hand

[warm haven]

hey

[fading walrus]

I mean, there was already a ArcSteven + irida + Gloria clear

[warm haven]

base raihan exists actually

[formal matrix]

Where is the steel type damage dealer excadrill with sandstorm and zone

[warm haven]

sadly it's just one sand

[fading walrus]

With electro shot most likely

So rain + steel zone

[final yacht]

electro shot is electric, so if anything he's gonna be rain electric terrain lol

[fading walrus]

Then where's the dragon or steel part

[final yacht]

steel beam or smth

[warm haven]

nah, it would be too much to have ET if it already has rain

[fading walrus]

Eterrain + steel zone would be cool tho

[formal matrix]

Actually empoleon steel type with rain, Barry’s empoleon doesn’t exist

[fading walrus]

Anyway, Gloria + Steven already had great results in JP community, too bad I didn't see anyone here try her 5/5 (mine is 4/5)

I saw her hit a 140k behemot blade Vs Giovanni, was pretty gud

[formal matrix]

Isn’t her 5/5 just another steel rebuff ST?

[fading walrus]

Yeah, which helps still

[true lagoon]

you cant unless you ko ninetails

[low coral]

I wouldn't say great results

Better than before, yeah, but not anywhere near close to Lear

[fading walrus]

For an exrless "shit" pokefair

I'd say those numbers are solid

[low coral]

Gloria's numbers on their own aren't her problem

It's much more on her condition

[river prawn]

Holy shit

[true lagoon]

is she the only striker with an innate

[hearty cedar]

Are we counting strikers with passives for sync boosts as innates?

[fast pendant]

No

Gloria is the one with innate

[low coral]

Innate multiplier, she's the only one

Some Strikes have other secondary effects

[river prawn]

With nerfed BP in return

[low coral]

Some

[river prawn]

Or if you are mega it's already nerfed

So can't go down more

[low coral]

Ash doesn't

[river prawn]

Is SS Erika nerfed?

[low coral]

SS Erika is a Tech already

[river prawn]

I see she isn't

But Selene is

[fading walrus]

Techs don't get nerfed that hard at all

[river prawn]

Oh makes sense

[low coral]

Cyrus and Selene are nerfed, but Ash has a stronger effect and no nerf

[fading walrus]

Strikers with mega have it waaaaay worse than techs who do

[low coral]

240 BP high crit vs 300 BP sure crit

[low coral]

Only Tech Megas I would say should have 192 BP

Since 192 BP is basically already compensated vy 1.2x Atk/SpA

To get the base Tech BP I mean, around 230

If you add 2 Sync +25, it already is even better to get the 1.2x stat boost over starting with 240 BP for your sync damage

[olive venture]

What should i change

[warm haven]

[hearty cedar]

This team should win

[olive venture]

Nope i keep dying

[hearty cedar]

Not enough nuke?

[faint goblet]

Diantha is 1/5 in that photo... can she nuke like that?

[hearty cedar]

Just tried, 1/5 diantha isnt enough as the sole dmg dealer

You'll need another attacker

Try og olivia instead of bertha ig

Or replace ingo and tank with bertha

You dont need to check its gimmick btw, you can just stall the weather out

[true lagoon]

theres also a couple of mega evos that buff crit after their sync

[hearty cedar]

I won with nc.rosa, nc.nate and nc.bianca. Spamming op units works

[true lagoon]

does that count as an innate

wally and ss red

[river prawn]

They are both mega

[paper mural]

But it's not easy and require super meta units so not recommended at all.

[hearty cedar]

True but hey there's a lot of them these days so we could cook up something

He has diantha so he's not a new player, he could have something we could work with

[olive venture]

ill send u my roster right here

[hearty cedar]

Quick question

You have arc steven and ss lear?

[paper mural]

I mean in the best scenario he could use a meta team with weather change.

[olive venture]

Nope

i have arc cynthia

[hearty cedar]

All good, send your roster

Brb in 5 mins

Ok I'm back, just went and cleared all region ebes with the steel team for fun

[hearty cedar]

Show me your roster

[river prawn]

Arc Steven 4/5 and SS Lear can duo all of them except Kanto

[hearty cedar]

My arc steven is 1/5

[river prawn]

I know

[hearty cedar]

And yes this core is too damn good

Is there a reason to use any other steel zone user other than lillie?

[river prawn]

In a case where the battle is drawn out and it requires any wtz to be active

No steel zoner can status so you cant test them on Leon UB

[hearty cedar]

I mean....even in ubs, lillie is more than enough. Pretty sure selene wouldn't solve leon's requirements

[river prawn]

but Lillies wtz would be too short

They still handle most of Leons HP with Geeta or someone who has status + wtz

[hearty cedar]

Except for leon, i think lillie is enough steel zone for the ubs ig(of course anabel and noland wants us to use different units to gimmick check)

[river prawn]

Yeah except him where the gimmick is harsh they are very much enough

and more practical than SC Selene at least

I don't see any matchup where you would use Selene over Lillie, for PalMarnie I can see arguments

Leon UB is also a good showcase for the durability of the duo, same as Anabel, Leon hits weakness on Lear

[shrewd marten]

Lear gaming

Surprisingly decent clear

Solidarity and shields let’s you live a fiery wrath and a super effective sync move

[snow spruce]

I am a bit dissapointed of the lack of Arc Duo + SS Lear (all fully invested) showcases so far. Its THE highest damage team in the game, probably by a good margin
its overkill sure, but doesnt everyone love overkill ?
I'm still doing dailies on Lear, would love to see them destroy stuff in the meantime. Especially Noland UB

[shrewd marten]

I did a bunch of ubs with them

They go hard

[warm haven]

i guess not many people have the full combo

2 fully invested arcs and a MF in the same month is insane

[river prawn]

Yeah I have the pairs but Cynthia is 1/5

that can still do most

[shrewd marten]

My lear is 1/5 but it still performs well

[snow spruce]

whales are a dying breed it seems

[river prawn]

Not Nita, Noland and Leon

[naive lotus]

last day for this event

well the one with past regions anyway

[shrewd marten]

I have no desire to try nita with this

[high zephyr]

yea tru, in normal case i wouldnt skip lear, my gems cant handle it rip

[shrewd marten]

Leon probably possible with wide awake

Noland probably impossible

[river prawn]

Royal fortune takes care of that

[naive lotus]

is a 3/5 AS Cynthia enough to take on the neo kanto squad?

[river prawn]

But need 5/5 Cynthia for wtz for Leon me thinks

[shrewd marten]

Cynthia has no status immune

[river prawn]

But royal fortune is teamwide

[snow spruce]

Noland is possible to bruteforce with 3/5 (or 5/5) Cynthia for sure, not with 1/5 I suppose

[shrewd marten]

Oh

I didn’t know that

[river prawn]

Noland and Leon are very much possible with them all fuly invested

Nita is probably not

[shrewd marten]

Noland seriously just

You just keep going?

Cynthia goes hard ig

[naive lotus]

what kind of support would go well vs Kanto top team?

using AS Cynthia and Bertha so far

[snow spruce]

yeah not Nita. I think only Nita blocks Lear from having an all 11/11 UBs team

[naive lotus]

preferably something not ice weak

[shrewd marten]

Isn’t it possible

Cynthia has done sandstorm clears before

[river prawn]

The universe is against you

in that instance

[snow spruce]

she cant with Lear, he doesnt check any of Nitas gimmicks. You basically have to use Irida or maybe SS Morty+something and those teams cant do the other 10 UBs

[olive venture]

I sent it

[shrewd marten]

Wdym

Cynthia checks nita

So just big damage need

[river prawn]

Not true

The speed debuff cant keep up

[shrewd marten]

Flinch

[river prawn]

But Steven cant afford flinching every turn in that comp

or else the syncs wipe you

[shrewd marten]

?

[river prawn]

no defense buffs

[shrewd marten]

Well that jp person managed a quad, but you can get +4 defense and solidarity

[snow spruce]

not in sand. you need some form of help to handle her speed buffing from the 3-rd pair and Lear doesnt provide any for Nita. Damage alone wont overcome speed-buffed Nita

[shrewd marten]

I do not comprehend she doesn’t gain more speed in sand does she

[snow spruce]

she does

thats the point

you can flinch some with steven, but its not enough with him alone

[fast pendant]

With sand she buffs +2 per move

Without sand +1

[snow spruce]

other all UB teams had a second speed debuffer and NC Silver had an AoE guaranteed flinch

[shrewd marten]

I did not know that

[warm haven]

but knowing that you can instant queue iron head, wouldnt it be the same?

just with more rng

[river prawn]

Can you instaqueue Iron Heads later into the fight?

[warm haven]

supposedly yes

[river prawn]

I'll test it quick

[fast pendant]

You can, but yeah, its gonna be a lot more rng

[warm haven]

yeah, to flinch all 3 is a 21.6% chance

[snow spruce]

I dont think its enough even with perfect Steven flinches
but if someone manages to do Nita with Arc Duo + SS Lear - wow

[warm haven]

but they might beat her sooner because they would have more damage

[warm haven]

the ST flinches give more turns than AoE flinches tho

[low coral]

Nita herself actually doesn't boost more Speed under the sand, only the sides do

Thankfully

[warm haven]

yeah, it's more important to flinch the sides

[river prawn]

Well you can't chain Iron Head into Iron Head

With instant queue

[olive venture]

I need help

[snow spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5itF4n9-mQs
is doing rain Argenta this easy now or what am I missing ?

[olive venture]

This is my roster

[final yacht]

Piercing Blows means you dont care about rain gear

[warm haven]

Yeah and Steven makes you inmortal

[snow spruce]

Oh yeah .. but still the 45K heals. And its not like SS N or NC Bianca are damage monsters.

[fading walrus]

It's called "The ArcSteven effect"

Also yeah no rain gear is huge

[low coral]

There were already a few before

Became more common because Argenta only attacks single target

And Steven heals off single target damage

[shell coyote]

Is Olivia 1/5 strong enough to clear the Kanto challenge? (So I can make a team around her)

she's my only rock damage dealer

[fast pendant]

Nop

[shell coyote]

So I should try to off-type

or is it not advisable to off type these?

[faint goblet]

How bad is it if I let Top-Tier Kanto have sun? Is their full skillset listed anywhere?

[fast pendant]

If Olivia 1/5 is your only rock, yes off typing is much better

[shell coyote]

I tried with Arc Cynthia but didn't work

[low coral]

Not too bad if you can deal with Leaf

She's pretty hard to take down under sun

You can let Red himself remove sun too, but if you do, you should take him out shortly after, as Red under Hail is even stronger than Leaf under sun

[faint goblet]

Would anything weird happen if went in with Neo Leaf, Neo Serena, and SSKris (just overwriting Neo Leaf's sun with rain)

[fading walrus]

Not really ig

Ofc this implies Serena is 3/5 as 1/5 is probably kinda meh

[faint goblet]

She is, I candied her a while back

I'll give it a try this evening, thank you

[uncut drum]

N's damage is pretty good but the downside is that it takes 2 turns to unleash it

Steven however helps here but allowing N to get more physical moves up next before the attack is executed

[dense vessel]

Is this a good pair to take down Kanto EBE?

[summer bridge]

Is NC Blue, NC Serena, and SS Kris at 3/5 suitable enough to beat the Kanto challenge?

[formal matrix]

Should be

[summer bridge]

Not doing enough damage with them; do I need any skill gear?

[stone scarab]

i don't see any defense debuffs on that team, having their defense raised gives them significant numbers of damage reduction