Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

[hearty cedar]

Nita + anni steven + anni N

Use it against the deity stage

Will be fun

[fading walrus]

The deity stage is only scary looking

[boreal abyss]

Anni Steven needs rest for the next weather UB

[fading walrus]

It's extremely tame

[boreal abyss]

He has done more than enough

But I guess I could give a shot to stove Vs deity stage

Later tho

I wanna try smth first Vs Nita

[hearty cedar]

Pretty sure steven + cynthia + cheren would work against nita

[fading walrus]

Cynthia doesn't even need chrren

She has trip up 9 no?

[hearty cedar]

Especially if you deny ground zone to nita's sync by using cheren's sync

[fading walrus]

Or was that another one of the arcs

[hearty cedar]

Works as a secondary dmg dealer and secondary syncer so we can make sure we don't give ground zone to nita's sync

1st sync:- support steven
2nd sync:- cheren
Use your 1st ground zone till 2nd sync
After your 2nd sync, setup GZ again and rain dmg on nita

Cynthia's sand lasts lower than nita's own sand so its a better idea to use our own sand sometimes

[snow spruce]

you mean Anni steven ? or Arc ?
if anni - who is the tank ?
if Arc - no weather to remove sand

[hearty cedar]

Arc steven lol

[true lagoon]

arc with froxanne can probably debuff enough for speed to not be an issue

cynthia is -2 and froxanne is another -1

-3 should be able to keep up even in sand

[snow spruce]

I'm not sure Nita is doable without removing sand, but idk
she heals under sand for like 45K .,. but also she is flinchable

[hearty cedar]

It's a pain for sure

[fading walrus]

Staggerable

That's the only reason prestnc is doable

[hearty cedar]

The strat includes replacing nita's sand with yours and spamming bmoves to make it run out fast

[snow spruce]

If someone does Nita without overwriting/removing sand - thats the most impressive clear in the game right there

[fading walrus]

How are cynthiarc extensions? 3 or 5

[hearty cedar]

3

[fading walrus]

Aw

[hearty cedar]

So for her greatness we need 5/5

[snow spruce]

Cynthia does -1 speed, not -2
its defence she can do -2 per turn

but with Cheren + Cynthia you can keep Nitas speed forever debuffed yeah

[hearty cedar]

I'm pretty sure that with 5/5 arc cynthia, we can defeat nita while using arc steven and nc.cheren

Replaces nita's sand with yours and spam bmoves

That'll clear the sand

Speed debuff is easy

[snow spruce]

Well we might now on Friday after Steven comes out

[hearty cedar]

But we'll need 5/5 cynthia lol to replace sand multiple times

Like atleast 3 times

[fading walrus]

2 sets was never gonna work out even with ext 5

[chilly dawn]

So how shitty is the new UB looking?

[hearty cedar]

Thing is we are gonna use her ext3 being worse lol

[snow spruce]

They definitely want you to go 5/5 on her

[fading walrus]

Easier anabel

[true lagoon]

evelyn is pretty fair

[chilly dawn]

That is not an encouraging statement

Anabel was fecking awful

[true lagoon]

the main issue besides fluid fortification is sides having 323k hp

[fading walrus]

Yeah, it's really cringe as a marketing stunt

Unit wise

[chilly dawn]

fluid fort
Ok fuck that

[hearty cedar]

Its not us using sand and zone. Its us making sure that the field is clear of them as soon as possible. And for that we use our own sand everytime they setup sand bcuz our ext3 sucks when we spam bmoves

[fading walrus]

I know

[true lagoon]

i mean fairy has a bunch of strong debuff options

[fading walrus]

I'm talking in general

Not for Nita.

[chilly dawn]

It's fairy?

I thought it was dragon

[hearty cedar]

Yep

[chilly dawn]

That's even worse lmao

[true lagoon]

not really

[fading walrus]

It's for nemona, penny, gladion

[hearty cedar]

They wouldn't make a dragon ub with that much hp for sides

[true lagoon]

like ss wally penny ss nemona and gladion are all good options for it

[chilly dawn]

I have... One of those.

And it's not one of the damage units.

And she's 1/5 still

[fading walrus]

Does ssmina get ANYTHING at 4/5?

[hearty cedar]

Its made for gladion and his friends. Gladion's bmove only checks the drops on his current target and deals the same dmg to everyone hence 323k hp on sides

[chilly dawn]

Yeah so I'm just boned for it lmao

[hearty cedar]

Maybe team whimsical immunity?

[fading walrus]

It also plays into nemona drops and ext range

[chilly dawn]

Bc my fairy output is
Uh

I genuinely think my third best dps is Sycamore

[fading walrus]

I mean offtyping is an option

I didn't even try gio ontype because I only have NC marnie

[hearty cedar]

You can always use 1 or 2 syncs on sides you know. Who cares if the mid lives a little longer when its near death. Mid dying but sides living means there will be aoe hell

[chilly dawn]

It's gonna be hell regardless

My fairy DPS is BP Valerie or NY Lisia

[hearty cedar]

Rosa + rei + bianca may clear this ub

[fading walrus]

Depending on stages sides can be manageable af

[hearty cedar]

Can we flinch this ub?

[fading walrus]

Offtype

[chilly dawn]

Offtype is basically just Fire

Bc nothing else is remotely decent

[hearty cedar]

Poison and flying works too

[fading walrus]

No fighting, no water, no elect?

Poison too right

[chilly dawn]

Electric is one of my worst

[hearty cedar]

Of course its easy for electric lol

Ice too

[chilly dawn]

Fighting, I don't have any good DPS options

[river prawn]

We can now say steel comp lol

For UB talk

[hearty cedar]

You have rosa and bianca?

[chilly dawn]

Water idk what the fuck that entails

[chilly dawn]

Only the OGs

[true lagoon]

the fun part is that sides have fluid fortification too

[hearty cedar]

Unfortunately ppl cant pull that

[true lagoon]

and they constantly buff

[chilly dawn]

My Fighting team is SSAC/Bea

And then Hilbert to buff Bea

It is Grim.

[fading walrus]

Bea isn't even worth mentioning

For UB

She's paper

[hearty cedar]

You have nc.cheren?

[chilly dawn]

Most units are

[true lagoon]

i dont think you have any hope for evelyn

[chilly dawn]

I do but he's not that great lmao

[boreal abyss]

Arc Cynthia demolished Palmer dang

[chilly dawn]

I mean Fire might

[boreal abyss]

That's funny

[chilly dawn]

SS Morty/NC Leaf/SS Hilda

[hearty cedar]

The team you used against anabel will work for latios too

[true lagoon]

yeah

[hearty cedar]

Easy clear

[fading walrus]

I mean have you seen the abyss invested arc kits have compared to even top tier MFs lol

[true lagoon]

evelyn has like a third less hp

[chilly dawn]

Anabel was an absolute shitshow, idr who I even used there

[true lagoon]

anabel is 940k iirc

evelyn is like 650k

[fading walrus]

Isn't Evelyn 696k

[hearty cedar]

Fire team clears this ub no issues

[fading walrus]

Or smth

[chilly dawn]

I think it was ss kris/nc serena/some actual water DPS

I think it was may actually

[hearty cedar]

Yeah but fire team excels in long clears

[fading walrus]

Yeah

[true lagoon]

same difference point is shes a lot less bulky compared to anabel

[fading walrus]

It's low

690k is whatever

[chilly dawn]

My water isn't that great

[snow spruce]

what team ?

[wary hemlock]

may i know the team?

[boreal abyss]

I saw a replay with NC Rosa Arc Cynthia NC Silver

[chilly dawn]

Evelyn and Giovanni are probably joining the "nope" club with nita, palmer and leon

[hearty cedar]

Ppl should use bianca + nate + arc cynthia for palmer. Absolute carnage

[wary hemlock]

any link?

[boreal abyss]

Check on game if you can

It's there

[chilly dawn]

Imagine having any of those

[fading walrus]

I mean it's not hard broa

[wary hemlock]

Oh wait fr?

[paper mural]

Have both SS Kris and NC Serena
My water team is not great
These two statements are too conflicted.

[boreal abyss]

Yep

Replay feature

[wary hemlock]

nice thanks

[boreal abyss]

I just finished watching it and I am impressed

[chilly dawn]

NC Serena feels fucking awful to use for output

[wary hemlock]

do they have nita clear with arc cynthia

i think thats the toughest

[hearty cedar]

She's one of the best units for ub clears lol

[fading walrus]

NC Serena DPS is solid what you on about lol

[boreal abyss]

Nita is gonna be the roadblock tbh

[chilly dawn]

Her debuffs are absurdly inconsistent and she never seems to debuff offenses

[balmy jolt]

ou i got more far this time but i got ended still ijbol

[fading walrus]

[wary hemlock]

so basically arc cynthia can clear all UB

[chilly dawn]

She also dies to a stiff breeze

[wary hemlock]

except nita

[snow spruce]

will need Arc Steven to come out first before a real attempt

[wary hemlock]

ahhh ok

[fading walrus]

Why ss blue...

[surreal gull]

How do you clear Deity with the 3 Electric trio or the NC Rosa, Cheren, Bianca?

[true lagoon]

i have sstr but leon absolutely shreds nc blue

the max move into sync combo is just desdly

[hearty cedar]

We only care about them happening. Not about specificity. Also, the battles are long so all stats will be lowered eventually anyway

[true lagoon]

or whatever the fuck it is

[balmy jolt]

girl idk i didn't had anything better to put in there i fear

[true lagoon]

if they add the new ubs to rally im just not doing it

[fading walrus]

You not running electrorep 3?

[snow spruce]

Arc Stevens AoE endure feels like it can help cheese some UBs that dont have PB
including Nita
same for flinchable UBs

[true lagoon]

that shit doesnt work on max moves anyway

[balmy jolt]

bc nc calem was NOT it

[fading walrus]

Run a debuffer or another dps

[crude drum]

Electrorepulsion 3

Reduces damage when the user is hit by an attack move while the terrain is Electric Terrain.

Sync Pairs with Passive:

Blue (Champion) & Zapdos
Volkner & Luxray
Clemont & Magneton
Sygna Suit Piers & Toxtricity

[true lagoon]

attack

[paper mural]

I think 5 hits Water Shuriken actually is good DPS.

[true lagoon]

it is good dps

[fading walrus]

I ran NC blue 1/5 tbolt 1/5 celesa

[true lagoon]

especially with rebuff and 500 attack

lol

[hearty cedar]

Bcuz it actually is

[true lagoon]

how the fuck

[fading walrus]

Blue took 65% from max + inferno

Lol

Maybe 70%

[hearty cedar]

Thats normal

[fading walrus]

Yea

It's not remotely a oneshot

[surreal gull]

Somehow i tried and fail..maybe i will replace Cheren with Nate.

[fading walrus]

And blue just roosts after

[hearty cedar]

Want help? Its pretty easy

[rich heron]

Is this battle that difficult?

[surreal gull]

Just need advice on what are the main keys to overcome them

[fading walrus]

The deity fight folds to ciris and altleon

[hearty cedar]

Ok I'll dm you

[true lagoon]

then i dont know what im doing wrong

[surreal gull]

Appreciate!

[fading walrus]

Poor genwunner champions folding to kino champions

[true lagoon]

i try to heal early but he takes like 650 from max

so maybe its a skill gear diff

[rich heron]

It's an extreme battle?

[true lagoon]

no

[fading walrus]

650 is not full hp

[true lagoon]

ok then again i dont know what im doing wrong because ive tried it and he cant survive that sequence

[paper mural]

It's not named extreme battle, but the battle is indeed a bit difficult if you didn't prepare well.

[balmy jolt]

would u mind if i show you who i have bc

[fading walrus]

I used this

[rich heron]

What's the gimmicks
I didn't do that arc battle challenge

[gentle wharf]

I played stupidly with a 1/5 gridless Cynthia lol

[fading walrus]

@true lagoon you could also always run fire guard if you wish it

I ran flameproof

[true lagoon]

yeah that would probably help

[fading walrus]

I'm sad I took down my replay now

1/5 celesa is so clutch

To gapfill tbolt 1/5 weaknesses

[true lagoon]

oh well mine is 3/5

but like also how did you even get the damage

[dim lance]

ayo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Yz_b0slPM

what the fuck?

[true lagoon]

LMAO?

SHE CAN TANK ANABEL?

[fading walrus]

Yeah

She's very nice

Restoring strike f2p

[paper mural]

LA Latias passive (Fluid something) + Ground zone on entry and post sync + HIT HARD

[fading walrus]

Idk, Leon is pretty manageable hp wise if onttpe

Ontype

He's ass to offtype

[boreal abyss]

Easy noalnd clear with Cyn

Without ex role 3/5, just did it now

[wary hemlock]

wow i think she might be best f2p support ngl

[fading walrus]

Ehhhhhhhh

[wary hemlock]

probably can rival most gen pool supports

[fading walrus]

Idk

[shrewd marten]

I quickly rolex cynthia

[fading walrus]

She's surely up there

[shrewd marten]

Dabbo do it next rally

:3

[wary hemlock]

oh did u use mate?

[fading walrus]

Her and Dana are so underrated

[boreal abyss]

Say cheese Noland, smile for the camera

[shrewd marten]

[paper mural]

F2P support tank Anabel is kinda amazing.

[fading walrus]

It's illegal how mistreated those 2 are

[shrewd marten]

Cynthia ception

[fading walrus]

Dana is so pog

[true lagoon]

how is she mistreated

like besides her kinda middling 1/5 dana is really solid

[wary hemlock]

do u have the recording?

[boreal abyss]

Didn't record but like, it's very very easy

Also the trap helps with quad queuing after wide guard A LOT

It delays enemies queue so much

[fading walrus]

You have no idea how many said she was bad last week when I popped off for being able to ex her after being 20/20 for a year

[boreal abyss]

You have such bigger room

[true lagoon]

the fuck lol

[wary hemlock]

im just skeptical cos not sure lana can tank 10 PMUN

[true lagoon]

do they think she just exists for seun

[boreal abyss]

Oh they never get hit no worries

[true lagoon]

oh wait thats exactly what they think

[boreal abyss]

Wide guard op

[wary hemlock]

?

[true lagoon]

[boreal abyss]

Just syncs

[fading walrus]

Most of them didn't even know what her TM did @true lagoon

[wary hemlock]

oh its always aoe?

[true lagoon]

skull

[fading walrus]

Truly, the most illiterate community

[boreal abyss]

He alternates between fissure and earthquake

Aura cyn deals with it with initial guard that procs twice

Lana does the rest

[wary hemlock]

oh

[fading walrus]

Noland is the second easiest UB because Lana + protect support neuters him

[true lagoon]

if i have grusha can i just use him and lana together

[wary hemlock]

just wondering

[boreal abyss]

Yeah Noland was literally first attempt for me

A walk in the park

[fading walrus]

Noland has a f2p clear after all.

[wary hemlock]

how yall know the fissure and EQ rotations

[fading walrus]

Lol.

[true lagoon]

ubs are fixed rotation

[fading walrus]

They literally alternate

[true lagoon]

always same order unless you flinch/freeze

[wary hemlock]

and also wont wide guards screws up CD?

[true lagoon]

doesnt matter

ur just meant to stay alive

[boreal abyss]

So far she got Anabel Darach Argenta Palmer Lucy Noland right?

[wary hemlock]

oh

[true lagoon]

noland has fairly low hp right

[wary hemlock]

i know noland sync is shit

[hearty cedar]

Here's the vid

[wary hemlock]

but their CD is like always 1

after sync

[fading walrus]

Nope if you know how to avoid it

[paper mural]

I actually think Noland surpasses Lucy and becomes the easiest UB if you know how he works.

[fading walrus]

Yeah probably

But Lucy is easier to manage

Like, Noland needs some rng for mprs

And teamcomps

[true lagoon]

lucy hits really hard if you leave poison up

[fading walrus]

Lucy just needs antitoxin

[true lagoon]

cuz im pretty sure enemy syncs have their innates

but also yeah antitoxin and the stage goes lol

even with speed buffs shes not hitting terribly hard unless you get to second sync

[fading walrus]

https://youtu.be/8bRAVhNGZxE?si=l3RK41WTsXZRRL9x

For noland

[snow spruce]

btw you cannot overwrite Nitas sand with Cynthias shorter sand .. Nita has:
"Sand Alert 5: Extends the duration of a sandstorm when a sandstorm is caused while the user is on the field."
so she will extend Cynthias sand too =/

[fading walrus]

This was my first try where I got mpr wide guard lol

You can tell by how I almost fumble late game

[true lagoon]

isnt sand alert only for the caster’s side

not both

[fading walrus]

Wide guard + dodge or protect is just free with a good enough unit in middle

[snow spruce]

I think its for both ? whole battlefield, any sand

[fast pendant]

should be both

[true lagoon]

oh

[fading walrus]

All extensions apply to boyh

Both

[fast pendant]

I don't think it's an issue that specifically

[fading walrus]

Unless it's circle or "ally only" effects

Ofc

[low coral]

How is that a strat?

Nita's sand are not permanent, you only extend it when you summon

[fading walrus]

Yeah it's not like Argenta's

[true lagoon]

so they prevented the cheese strats you could do with anabel and argenta

cuz its extended not unlimited

[boreal abyss]

Ropal, which doable stages are missing for arc Cynthia?

On UBs

[fading walrus]

I....don't think anyone wait-out'd Anabel's sun...

[boreal abyss]

I can give a shot to some later on

[fading walrus]

With their own

[low coral]

I haven't checked in some time, but I didn't see Leon, Noland, Giovanni, and Thorton at the time

[true lagoon]

i mean its possible

[fading walrus]

All the sun users just click it before sand or rain

[boreal abyss]

Noland I just did it

[true lagoon]

not saying anyone did or should

[boreal abyss]

Very easy

[fading walrus]

It doesn't really work tho

[spiral summit]

Are you sure ?

[true lagoon]

i know she has sunbathe

[hearty cedar]

Exactly. I just want to limit it even by a turn by using cynthia's own sand. Not needed but it'll be smoother

[true lagoon]

thats why im saying most people wouldnt try it

[boreal abyss]

I could try Giovanni ig

[fading walrus]

I only saw people sunny daying before setting another wheater

[boreal abyss]

Gonna run a haze maybe

[spiral summit]

I saw 1 run used Nemona’s Sun tho

[low coral]

But Cynthia never limits it

She can only extend

[hearty cedar]

Nita boosts offense or bulk in sand? Bulk right? Or is that offense and I'm getting confused with leon's passive?

[spiral summit]

But only for Anabel’s 2nd Sun

[true lagoon]

offense

[hearty cedar]

Of course

I got confused then

[fading walrus]

Yeah but they do it only in a specific cycle where they flinch and make sides use bulldoze to make it run out

[hearty cedar]

Then sand shouldn't be a big issue

[true lagoon]

technically speaking it can be both

[low coral]

Nita boosts offense and boosts even more Speed under sand

[true lagoon]

since she gets def buff if speed is raised

[fading walrus]

Not for the whole fight

[true lagoon]

and she gets extea speed buffs yeah

[true lagoon]

if you can keep up speed debuffing yeah

but if you have sand and speed up you just explode

[hearty cedar]

Yeah steven + cynthia + cheren should be able to clear it

[low coral]

I really doubt it

[fading walrus]

Probably need perfect flinches?

And a perfect rotation somehow

And even then...

Those heals will slow your early damage completely

[hearty cedar]

Nita is just not fun

[fading walrus]

So it's hard to snowball

[fading walrus]

Only way to have fun with her is running some obscenely optimal team

Like, I could only find her ub fun by going for presync

With ice team

[hearty cedar]

Same

[fast pendant]

I think it's doable Arc C, Arc S and Fall Roxanne

[snow spruce]

does positive rebuff on your team reduce enemy sync damage of that type ?

[fast pendant]

yes

[boreal abyss]

Guess it’s better to wait for Stove

And see what happens from there

[warm haven]

with cheren i think its possible, steven's flinches will let them stack lots of speed debuffs

[boreal abyss]

At least for Nita

[warm haven]

but they prob will have to presync

[snow spruce]

offtype presync Nita without removing sand ? dont see how lol
You would have to survive sand blaster 9 sync somehow, if its possible

[fading walrus]

Yeah but I ran funny double stagger gen pool strat

[low coral]

Yeah, you ain't pre-syncing Nita off-type, even a good team would struggle

Because 80% and 50% endurances are harsh

[hearty cedar]

I hate nita ub so much

[warm haven]

well at least dont let her sync with GZ, that should let them survive the sync

[low coral]

And Cynthia teams often just lack the pure Sync accel required for most pre-syncs

[true lagoon]

whats reasonable endure thresholds

like 60% 40%?

[fading walrus]

I really doubt sand alone makes her sync survivable

Esp if you're not clicking buddy bullet punch

[snow spruce]

if you can survive sandblaster 9 sync - you might have a chance with Nita, with flinches, endures later etc.

[fading walrus]

Blaster 9 with ub offensive stats requires screen + Def buffs with sand lol

Or -6 offensive stats

[warm haven]

ofc you have to click it

[fading walrus]

Even then, it's harsh because Nita loves AoEs

[snow spruce]

Steven can debuff Atk to -6
and Arc Cynthia does +1 team, Ground rebuff - apparently it reduces enemy ground syncs

[fading walrus]

Then you lose flinches

[snow spruce]

flinch em

[fading walrus]

Quite slowly

[warm haven]

But i know by experience that rats can survive a sand boosted nita sync as long as she doesnt speed buffs

[fading walrus]

Don't rats have damage guard

With that clear

[warm haven]

so cynthia that other team that is not weak to ground will have it easier

[snow spruce]

Really ? Thats good, rats dont have +1 ground rebuff, this team would

[plush gale]

Another Run this time with Arc Cynthia https://youtu.be/rkPDuZd9Kuw?si=ghdrCdJyo_Jg079U

[snow spruce]

you dont even need -6 atk, -3 or -4 is ok

[fading walrus]

I still think it's gonna be extremely harsh

[stable storm]

how hard do ya all think evelynn looks like?

[fading walrus]

Steven can't even get there if you flinch tho

He only lowers -1 per hit

[snow spruce]

why ?
Hit: Attack ↓ & Sp. Atk ↓ 9
Has a chance (100%) of lowering the target’s Attack and Sp. Atk by 1 stat rank when the user’s attack move is successful.

[fading walrus]

You need to flinch sides

Which loses debuffs on mid

[chilly dawn]

Evelyn looks very feast-or-famine

[snow spruce]

this passive works with all attacks

[fading walrus]

Yeah

[snow spruce]

maybe you ignore sides

[stable storm]

It's just Anabel from Walmart right?

[fading walrus]

But iron head can only ST

[chilly dawn]

If you have SS Gladion and/or SS Nemona, you're fine. Otherwise, lube up.

[stable storm]

without any weather

[fading walrus]

And if you focus mid you can't deny speed buffs enough

[stable storm]

so even less restrictive

[fading walrus]

Lol

[chilly dawn]

Yeah but it's also weak to a grimmer type

[stable storm]

??fairy is pretty strong

[chilly dawn]

Fairy is "have one of these two units or perish"

[stable storm]

it's one of the strongest types in the game rn

[chilly dawn]

Strong in the same way Electric is strong

There's like, 2 hyperstrong units and if you don't have them you're screwed

[low coral]

Well, not really in the same way

Electric is both stronger than Fairy by unit quality and by number

[chilly dawn]

Fair, Electric has some better side options than fairy

But the core issue is the same

[fading walrus]

We're talking about UBs, ofc they're not catered to the run of the mill units...also fairy had gladionless clears before nemona

So like

[stable storm]

also she looks pretty off typable . 680k but with only 1 endure, buffing isn't very fast (iirc they only buff +1 to 1 stat per attack?) and each one only has damage boosted on one type of buff

[chilly dawn]

Yeah it's Atk from main, Spdef from sides I think?

Idr exactly

I'm hoping that the lessened BS means it is offtypeable

[thin canyon]

Spak too on mid

[chilly dawn]

Oh is mid spatk

[stable storm]

atk from pult

sp def from hydrei

[fading walrus]

I mean Gio was

[chilly dawn]

Ok so atk left spdef right

[fading walrus]

And Gio was like

[stable storm]

special attack from mid(lmao)

[chilly dawn]

I haven't even looked at gio

[fading walrus]

Harder I feel

[stable storm]

gio was pretty off typable

[chilly dawn]

I don't have a good dark roster.

[stable storm]

I will say I did like his gimmick

[chilly dawn]

... Or a good roster really

[stable storm]

well the endure rotation part

[chilly dawn]

What was his gimmick again

[stable storm]

what do Evelyn's tms do again

[chilly dawn]

All I recall was teamwide +12s from gio

[fading walrus]

I have NC Marnie and nothing else

So I didn't even try ontype

[stable storm]

if he has stat buffs, you die, you need wtz to deal proper damage to him and he switches rotation on endure ao he tms

I did it off type with penny fairy comp

[fading walrus]

Not teamwide

It's on himself

[stable storm]

1 is teamwide

[fading walrus]

The last one

[stable storm]

but it's the second tm iirc

[fading walrus]

Not the +12 one

[stable storm]

pretty sure the last one is +12

[fading walrus]

Last one is manageable

[stable storm]

but sides should be dead by then

gio sides are like 90k

very low hp

wait, are Evelyn sides the bulkiest?345k hp iirc

[chilly dawn]

According to the doc, UB Evelyn doesn't have TMs. Just X SpAtk All and 2 shots of DHA+

[valid raft]

The fight is clearly attuned for Penny

But who else? Maybe SS Gladion and SS Wally too

[chilly dawn]

SS Gladion I think

Wally would be WTZ

She's also not immune to flinch, but she is immune to flinchlock.

[stable storm]

pult doesn't even have tms lmao

[valid raft]

Wally also gives -4 Sp. Atk. and -4 Atk.

[chilly dawn]

Resilience and cond null extend

[valid raft]

And he also has Discourage to counter Grand Entry 2

[fading walrus]

I mean Nita has no TMs either iirc

[stable storm]

ss Wally more imo, he debuffs all 3 latios stat boosts

[fading walrus]

Wally can't debuff def

[chilly dawn]

323k

[stable storm]

he has -sp def on grid I think?

[fading walrus]

But that can be solved

Def.

[valid raft]

Mind Boggler

[fading walrus]

Not Spdef

[stable storm]

she does.

[stable storm]

oh def, latios doesn't buff def aside from endure?

[fading walrus]

Me when I'm wrong

[valid raft]

But he needs to confuse them and confusion wears off very fast

[chilly dawn]

Also Evelyn might warrant other debuffs than offenses and spdef, she gets omni +1 every sync and +2 to all 5 stats at half

[valid raft]

Penny would still be ideal because she debuffs Sp. Def. consistently

[stable storm]

her tms are the scariest after gio I'd argue

[chilly dawn]

And then yeah

[fading walrus]

Yeah but she doesn't use them out of stagger

So

?????

[chilly dawn]

DHA+ (2 uses) will put the fear of god into anyone

[fading walrus]

Who cares

[stable storm]

thank god

[stable storm]

pretty sure that's standard for ubs

[fading walrus]

So they're mostly irrelevant

Some have crit next all

[chilly dawn]

Don't recall seeing it that much in the other ones

[fading walrus]

Instead

[chilly dawn]

Usually it's build up or team build up

[valid raft]

Don't some UBs have Sure Crit All instead?

[fading walrus]

But all of them give +2 crit before second sync

[stable storm]

fuid fort is 50% at +0 right?

[fading walrus]

Iirc

[chilly dawn]

Or just "we didn't expect you to make it this far"

[valid raft]

Reinforced

[fading walrus]

If they didn't they wouldn't make AI give another crit buff later again

[stable storm]

+0 net total is how much dr on fluid fort?

[valid raft]

Or 0 exactly is Vulnerable

[chilly dawn]

Fluid Fort is 50% reduction at total 0 stat changes

[fading walrus]

Since we have stuff like triple support Giovanni clears....

[valid raft]

Ah yeah, 0 is 5%

[stable storm]

Nc blue comp?

[fading walrus]

I mean yeah he's the one doing the most damage

[stable storm]

Huh, I swear fluid fort opps had big dr at 0 net gain

[chilly dawn]

Nope, 50%. 5% is a net total of -9

It's a linear progression

10+ is immune to damage, then drops by 5% every value

[valid raft]

• Weakened: When the net sum is between 0 and -9, mitigates damages by 50% to 5% (-5% per rank)

Ah yeah

[chilly dawn]

Yes, read.

[valid raft]

Actually, I'm confusing Fluid Fortification's passives now

Now I remember

[chilly dawn]

I just ignore the sub-passives and just think of it as One Thing

[stable storm]

Anni ub is very tame

[paper mural]

No for the ones use Sure Crit they don't buff crit rate. Lucy is the one and ig it's for not messing up Foxanne bc she can't clear crit rate.

[chilly dawn]

Idk on very

[valid raft]

So Evelyn is Giovanni + Anabel

[chilly dawn]

I'd say fairly tame for a UB

But it's still got teeth

It ain't Lucy

[stable storm]

but less hp , attack and no weather required

[valid raft]

Fairy is extremely easy, that's why

[chilly dawn]

Eh

Easy if you have SS Gladion

And/or SS Waldo

[valid raft]

You only need Penny + SS Wally

[chilly dawn]

If you haven't got the god core, Fairy is a hellscape

[stable storm]

ss glad + Penny+ ss hau could do the ub for me tbh unless tech select is before ub

[valid raft]

Or Penny + Lodge Lillie

[stable storm]

Only annoying part is the bulky sides tbh

[valid raft]

That's prolly meant for Gladion

[stable storm]

but ss glad b move kills them

[chilly dawn]

UB is the 10th, selects are first week of Sept (2nd through 6th)

[stable storm]

or nemona if someone is using her

[valid raft]

DeNA saw the 6M from the fairy 3v3 and thought they could do it here

[stable storm]

ah, I will have ss Wally for Evelyn then

[stable storm]

wdym by thought they could do it here

[valid raft]

Do it for Evelyn

[stable storm]

I am surprised they didn't make fairy weak some unfair bs

like spamming a ton of stat drops, status and constantly requiring fairy zone to be reapplied

[fading walrus]

Well why should they

[paper mural]

I'm surprised it's not hail ub.

[valid raft]

That would've been Thorton

[stable storm]

fairy has a lot of reseliance gimmicks

[paper mural]

The only other possible option is dragon UB, but idt they'll cater just for AnniRaihan.

[fading walrus]

Eh, they made grass one of the easiest

Like, the type doesn't play THAT big of a role

For difficulty

It all depends on the specific antigimmick they decide on

[valid raft]

If Argenta had Surf instead of Hydro Pump, then it would've been different

[fading walrus]

Would it really?

Because she'd lift pressure off support

[valid raft]

With her having Dire Hit All+, yes

[chilly dawn]

Ngl I found argenta really rough lmao

[fading walrus]

For a weak AoE move

[fading walrus]

You're not meant to get there anyway without triple vig

Rofl

[valid raft]

That's only assuming the sides are alive

[fading walrus]

"mhh yes, today I'll just roll a 50% crit sync"

[valid raft]

Imagine a UB with having Critical Crit 9

[fading walrus]

Very smart

[fading walrus]

Palmer:

[chilly dawn]

Still need to do palmer, don't have the output for it atm

[stable storm]

simply don't get crit

[valid raft]

Man, would I be happy if they introduced a UB with Unhindered+ to negate crit shield so no more SS Mina strats

[fading walrus]

Yeah I did that before most of you

[stable storm]

We live for the rng

[fading walrus]

I was the first person beating Anabel here with NC leaf without vigilance on any of my 3 units

[true lagoon]

what are evelyn’s tms exactly

[valid raft]

Unhindered+ with Clutch Critical

[fading walrus]

Doesn't mean it's not a shit idea.

[valid raft]

X Sp. Atk. All

[chilly dawn]

X SpAtk All and DHA+

[valid raft]

And yeah, DHA+ too

[true lagoon]

oh she doesnt use her actual trainer move?

[stable storm]

x special attack all(once I think) and standard 2 dha+

nope

[true lagoon]

that probably isnt bad

[silver spruce]

I'm still amazed that Penny's Draining Kiss steals crit buffs

[stable storm]

if it works it works

[true lagoon]

if she did, that would be pretty horrifying

[fading walrus]

Penny value

[stable storm]

what's her tm again in usable kit

[valid raft]

Unhindered+ when DeNA? Make SS Mina haver suffer

[chilly dawn]

4 Def/SpDef

[fading walrus]

+4 defs

[keen spear]

whats the strat used to beat event cynthia?

[stable storm]

ah

[silver spruce]

Debuff and big nuke

[true lagoon]

aka all of your progress is basically undone with regards to fluid fortification

[fading walrus]

Debuff and ideally remove zone

[silver spruce]

I cleared it with Hydreigon and SS Blue

[stable storm]

She doesn't have that tho so she's fairy fodder

[valid raft]

How would you all react if we had a similar UB to Palmer except that UB negates crit shield too?

[stable storm]

I see a bunch of off type teams clear her imo

[keen spear]

whos a good debuffer and zone setter for the job

[fading walrus]

Wouldn't care because Palmer DPS before sync is barely existent

[silver spruce]

Fine since we just out dps mostly

[chilly dawn]

They mostly have +4 to 2 stats as their TM. Evelyn is Def/SpDef, Nita is Atk/Spd, Morgan is Atk/SpAtk and Dana... Dana's is basically a full restore.

[true lagoon]

not really an issue since you were never supposed to survive the sync into max move sequence anyway

[fading walrus]

So the crit shield strat barely matters out of 2 niche teamcomps

[silver spruce]

NC Blue Lucas and a dragon type should be ok

[valid raft]

What if 4-gauge move with Extend Reach?

With Recharging Strike 9

[keen spear]

dont have any of these units

[stable storm]

When

at what stat buffs

[silver spruce]

what do you have

[keen spear]

i tried ss serens but couldnt nuke hard enough

[fading walrus]

Protect

[keen spear]

uh

[chilly dawn]

Tbh I should see if I have the stuff to do Nita yet

[valid raft]

All of them have it

[stable storm]

You need some debuffer to reduce fluid fort

[valid raft]

The sides have 4-gauge moves, Extend Reach and Recharging Strike 9

[fading walrus]

Your reasoning is "what if they made an unfair UB"

[silver spruce]

https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker//

[valid raft]

Exactly

[keen spear]

tried using latios it didnt work

[chilly dawn]

Nita and Gio might be doable, Palmer is a damage check I can't hit and Leon is an SSTR check.

[silver spruce]

Use that to fill out and help us rather than a video

[fading walrus]

Yeah well what if they made Noland have 1mil hp? There, solved @valid raft

[paper mural]

It doesn't change much. The og idea of Palmer is still clear him before his Max move.
The SS Mina stall only let few more off type team can clear him.

[keen spear]

sorry alr

[stable storm]

you need more debuffs than just that

[fading walrus]

Yeah this discussion is just dry of meaning

[chilly dawn]

Yeah Fluid Fort mandates massive debuffing

[fading walrus]

"what ifs" in ub context is useless

[stable storm]

I am glad that Noland was designed well

[valid raft]

Anything can happen so yeah

[true lagoon]

nita is closest to unfair tbh

[fading walrus]

To make UBs unbeatable all they need to do is make them have more hp

[chilly dawn]

Nita closest to unfair?

[true lagoon]

yes lol

[chilly dawn]

I'd have put that to Leon personally

[true lagoon]

her gimmicks are absolutely insane

[fading walrus]

Leon is annoying but manageable

[true lagoon]

electric weakness is sleeper though

[stable storm]

nah, Leon gimmicks aren't that oppressive and spammed

[fading walrus]

Nita is just horseshit

[chilly dawn]

Leon has perma sleeplock unless you have near permanent electric terrain

[stable storm]

Nita has very oppressive gimmicks and spams her gimmicks

[fading walrus]

Or status immunity

[true lagoon]

kid named status immunity

[stable storm]

status immunity doesn't exist guys

definitely not a ls

[fading walrus]

Just like antitoxin, which is why Lucy hard

[silver spruce]

nah we just run wide awake

[chilly dawn]

I tried wide awake and it flumped hard lmao

[fading walrus]

/J

[stable storm]

true

[chilly dawn]

Mostly because you just get assblasted

[keen spear]

how do i share

[chilly dawn]

It's functionally an SSTR check

And I do not have SSTR

... Or any of the good Electric types

[stable storm]

Leon hardest part to me is how hard he hits for how fat he is and his status and wtz reset are very annoying

[silver spruce]

copy and paste the link for you

[keen spear]

https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker//

[true lagoon]

yes leon’s issue is just how hard he hits

[valid raft]

What I think DeNA will do is sell a unit that ignores passives that resist status immunity (condition and interference)

[chilly dawn]

My electric terrain comes from eggmons, SS Hau (lmao) or Volkner

[true lagoon]

ss hau can clear leon

[stable storm]

Ss hau is good vs Leon tho aside from no para

[true lagoon]

like 100% sure he can and has

[fading walrus]

Leon problem is the endure wtz and status cleanse

[stable storm]

He has multiple times

[silver spruce]

whoops sorry that didn't work. Give me a sec to figure it out

[chilly dawn]

Solo? Bc I have virtually no support for him

[valid raft]

They might also put a UB that has perma crit shield and sell a unit that has crit shield bypass

[stable storm]

Defog?

[valid raft]

Irremovable

[chilly dawn]

Most of my supports are softer than soggy shit

[true lagoon]

leon has robust physique so we basically have that already

and leon has been beaten with robust physique active

[stable storm]

Well ubs aren't meant for below strong supports

[keen spear]

can i judt send a screenshot of just the event chars i have?

event abd banner

[chilly dawn]

My strong supports list is, uh

SS Morty

[fading walrus]

5 years saying "supports are always worth grabbing because they age well"

[stable storm]

Wdym

[chilly dawn]

... Just him, give or take

I mean I did

But the ones I grabbed didn't

[keen spear]

this

[stable storm]

Like?

[keen spear]

• red venasaur

[fading walrus]

You have sskris lol

And SS morty

[chilly dawn]

NC Blue never came home, NC Bede isn't really worth shit these days

[fading walrus]

"NC Bede isn't worth shit"

Bro.

[true lagoon]

nc bede is good enough for most

[stable storm]

nc bede didn't fall off that hard

[chilly dawn]

SS Acerola got wiped eighteen times on the argenta UB bc she has no bulk at all

[fading walrus]

I used Bede irida cerena as my first Anabel clear rofl.

[fading walrus]

Yeah I think there's an underlying issue

[silver spruce]

Classic Elesa and SS Serena would be my go to

and then try to find a decent tank

[chilly dawn]

Hydro Pump does like 60-70% lmao, if you mistimed weather she's dead from full

[keen spear]

why classic elesa?

[silver spruce]

She debuffs

[keen spear]

do they need potion

[fading walrus]

Celesa debuffs a ton

[stable storm]

Leon is more annoying to me than hard tbh

[keen spear]

oh wait yea she does i forgot

[paper mural]

"mistimed weather" that's a skill issue tho.

[chilly dawn]

Tbf it happens when you go in blind

[stable storm]

Ubs expect good timing and queuing

[fading walrus]

Me when the Wtz unit needs brain usage to work in the hardest content:

[chilly dawn]

Adaman and Mix Red weren't exactly helping with the damage either

[fading walrus]

[silver spruce]

what?

Adaman Red and SS Acerola is the og team

[keen spear]

does the tahnk need heals or can i just use ncd bede

[chilly dawn]

They got wiped before she cleared rebuff

[fading walrus]

Adaman + SS ace duos Argenta.

[silver spruce]

you'll want some basic healing

[fading walrus]

Lol.

[chilly dawn]

It was like... Third sync or so

[fading walrus]

[stable storm]

wait really?lmao

[fading walrus]

Third sync with ace + adaman...

[silver spruce]

It's why you save a razor leaf on adaman

[stable storm]

Leon clear im

*in

[chilly dawn]

I did, but it didn't matter

Bc she never cleared the first rebuff

[silver spruce]

The sync order is fairly basic

[fading walrus]

Based

[keen spear]

who do i pick

[fading walrus]

.........

[silver spruce]

Acerola, Red, Adaman, Acerola, Adaman

[stable storm]

glad to see some bellelba love

[paper mural]

I wonder if Adaman and Mix Red aren't good for grass dmg, what other pairs are better for doing grass dmg?

[fading walrus]

So with adaman you can't even get to 50%

[chilly dawn]

Acerola died before third sync and then the third sync wiped the other two

[fading walrus]

Lol

[chilly dawn]

I managed it eventually

[silver spruce]

Of what you have, I'd go with skyla

[stable storm]

@chilly dawn are your units invested

[fading walrus]

HOW DO YOU EVEN GET TO THIRD ARGENTA SYNC BRUH

[chilly dawn]

Idr how but I did

[silver spruce]

yes they are

[keen spear]

i have a few candies if needed

[silver spruce]

I remember him

[fading walrus]

She dies much before

[keen spear]

alr thanks

[chilly dawn]

All three EX, mix red 4/5 exr

[silver spruce]

he had the same issue with frogs on anabel

[chilly dawn]

Acerola 3/5 ex

[stable storm]

Is your device bad at timing?

[fading walrus]

It's not a device issue

[chilly dawn]

I mean it lags on occasion

[stable storm]

like really laggy often

[chilly dawn]

Laggy often is mostly a menus thing

[silver spruce]

I don't know if you have a good enough support but skyla is your best bet with what you have

[fading walrus]

My phone is barely going past 15fps with hail but I still beat most ub with ice comp

[chilly dawn]

Like if I make the mistake of trying to look at like, a third or more of my roster at once

[stable storm]

do you follow a proper sequence or do you do random stuff on your own?

[chilly dawn]

First try is random shit go, after that it usually refines itself into a working pattern

[stable storm]

hail isn't too bad at 1x iirc so you could try that to have less issues

[chilly dawn]

Well, working until it doesn't

[keen spear]

uh elesa doesnt csncel out the ground zone

[paper mural]

It's wild you think some of the best dmg dealers are not doing good dmg on type.

[stable storm]

I think first try should be a clear plan

so you can refine the plan

[fading walrus]

I only play at 1x

[stable storm]

not random bullshit

[chilly dawn]

My issue with NC Serena was mostly her debuffing being a bit crappy

She never dropped offenses

[valid raft]

Because it's random and it doesn't debuff the ones that Cynthia buffs

[chilly dawn]

This was vs Anabel

[silver spruce]

we're talking about anabel man

[keen spear]

this was my best attempt yet tho, is there rly no better support than skyla?

[paper mural]

I can't stand 1x. Always at least 2x unless I NEED quadqueue.

[chilly dawn]

And also kinda general

[stable storm]

caster probably mistyped

[chilly dawn]

I only managed it when I brought in May as main DPS

[silver spruce]

with what you have I don't know

[valid raft]

Oh Anabel lol

[fading walrus]

Yeah your phone doesn't go at 10 FPS with wtzs active

[silver spruce]

who else do you have @keen spear

I don't suppose there's an aura cynthia is there?

[valid raft]

But I kinda stand my point because Serena's debuffing is random and it doesn't debuff the ones that the enemy buffs themselves by

[fading walrus]

I mean cerena 3/5 clears WITHOUT rain so,

And the debuffs aren't a factor

[chilly dawn]

Idk how lmao, probably just good rng on the drops

[fading walrus]

I mean ideally you want spdef drops

[stable storm]

imo best way to do ubs is start with a plan and observe the enemy more and refine that plan and think about how you can avoid getting in bad positions in the first place

[fading walrus]

That's it lol

The rest don't matter

[chilly dawn]

Bc she never dropped offenses for me so everyone got clattered by the sync and AoEs

[forest root]

GG EZ

[silver spruce]

I just go in with an idea of what it needs and pick fun shit to fit it

[stable storm]

I assume permanent Sun is still replaced in those clears with something else right?

[fading walrus]

Ofc lol

[chilly dawn]

I ended up taking her spdef drop in rain tile to ensure she could set up for may

[stable storm]

Sun remove less Anabel clear when

[fading walrus]

But again, the """"RNG"""" factor in her drops is a non issue

[keen spear]

i got this far

[valid raft]

Sun is instant death as is sandstorm in Nita's

[keen spear]

uh

[fading walrus]

....

[keen spear]

ss kris

[fading walrus]

"setup for may'

[silver spruce]

oh wait do the sides in the cynthia fight have fluid fort?

[fading walrus]

Mhh yes, 3/5 cerena, the May enabler....

[valid raft]

Set up for May?

[keen spear]

not much else

[stable storm]

Is may the main nuker or smth in Anabel clears?

[valid raft]

All of them have IIRC

[fading walrus]

[silver spruce]

then elesa isnt enough

[stable storm]

I don't read about Anabel as much as other ubs

[chilly dawn]

She was in mine iirc, I think serena got one sync early and maybe one of the last ones

[silver spruce]

is there a decent f2p omni debuffer?

New Lillie maybe?

[keen spear]

i was trying wormadam before

[fading walrus]

Serena does multiple times the sync damage of may

[chilly dawn]

Then again I think it was only a 4 sync clear

[silver spruce]

even then no nvm

[fading walrus]

🙂

[silver spruce]

lucian maybe?

[chilly dawn]

Yeah but also she didn't have time to get her TM out so

[fading walrus]

...

What

[chilly dawn]

She was debuffing all three constantly to try and clear all the bloody defensive buffs

[valid raft]

The closest one would be a Haze user

[fading walrus]

[keen spear]

would smt like ss diantha and alola rock zonr guy work

[chilly dawn]

Fluid Fort is a nightmare

[fading walrus]

.....................

[stable storm]

dc wally

[fading walrus]

Only mid had fortification...

[silver spruce]

is he omni though?

[paper mural]

You need aoe

[chilly dawn]

In which case the sides are just absurdly fat then

[fading walrus]

No? Because you're critting past the Def buffs

Lol

[chilly dawn]

Bc they always outlasted middle and handily

[slate light]

wally can drop def/sp.def through passives, either attack or sp atk via grid

and speed on grid

[valid raft]

Hmmmm, I remember Cynthia having Fluid Fortification, but I must've misremembered the sides having them as well

[fading walrus]

Yeah sides do too

In this deity fight

[stable storm]

no but he debuffs a lot so you could probably quickly debuff mid then gross then Lance

[silver spruce]

what about lodge lillie

[valid raft]

Oh? So all of them have it

[chilly dawn]

Even with May, the sides were still up when entei dropped

[silver spruce]

I mean he just needs to find a debuffer for serena to kill

BP falkner might work to

defog and attack and speed

[fading walrus]

Not surprising since you had may nuke over cerena

[silver spruce]

defog doesn't clear zone right?

that's just a terrain thing

[fading walrus]

It does

[chilly dawn]

I tried it with cerena nukes before, it went about the same

[fading walrus]

Uuec

Iirc

[chilly dawn]

Except the sides had more health

[fading walrus]

It doesn't clear Weather

[valid raft]

Zone and terrain only, not weather

[silver spruce]

@keen spear you have bp falkner?

[valid raft]

And also damage fields on your side

[fading walrus]

Well you were wrong

[silver spruce]

that may be the key to clear with skyla and serena for you

[mossy drum]

Looks like I might not get those gems

[chilly dawn]

Like the sides were nearly full bc with nc serena nuking, everything had to gun down the middle or else second sync happened and wiped you

[fading walrus]

Cerena nukes twice as hard as may

[chilly dawn]

And then full health, untouched sides just wiped you regardless

[fading walrus]

That's just skill de la issue

[chilly dawn]

Anabel is probably the hardest one I've actually done

[silver spruce]

Her and Nita are about equal for me

[fading walrus]

You needed the best team to beat it and you barely did

Like

Yeah

No surprise

[chilly dawn]

And tbh it was a bit ago so it might have been nc serena nukes

[fading walrus]

You could've literally asked for help here and copied a video

[keen spear]

could get him rn

[stable storm]

he did

[fading walrus]

Oh.

Oh lord

It's worse than I thought

[stable storm]

after asking he beat it iirc

[silver spruce]

You'd need 3/5

[valid raft]

[chilly dawn]

I did, copying the video didn't work

[keen spear]

i got a bit far with this tram team tho

[fading walrus]

[chilly dawn]

The video was some malarkey with Elio

[keen spear]

if hes a 4 stat i have 6 bp tickets

[silver spruce]

he is indeed

give it a try

[keen spear]

alr

[silver spruce]

grid overwhelm and spam air cutter

[chilly dawn]

I ended up just throwing may in and it went down on like, third try

[keen spear]

wait may as in latios may?

[silver spruce]

defog on turn 1 to clear the zone and then air cutter away

[stable storm]

What are ya all's plans for Evelyn btw

[chilly dawn]

Cry

[silver spruce]

Gladion and SS Wally

[keen spear]

any other moves?

[stable storm]

I will throw ss glad mina and ss wally and watch her die

[chilly dawn]

And hope NC Leaf/SS Morty can carry NY Lisia through

[silver spruce]

gimme a sec

[hearty cedar]

Why not use victini

[keen spear]

also can i just use tech candies

[stable storm]

does that team debuff special attack?

[keen spear]

4 star

[chilly dawn]

NC Leaf does both offenses and both defenses

[stable storm]

ah right

should be good enough tbh

[chilly dawn]

And then can double stat drops to keep them down

[hearty cedar]

It's only been a yr to forget about her main thing mate

[chilly dawn]

NC Leaf/SS Morty is my panic support setup

Plug in an ontype DPS and hope it works

[stable storm]

tbf, even Dena forgot leaf

[chilly dawn]

Got me through Lucy and someone else iirc

[hearty cedar]

That's a tradition among the entire pokemon company

[chilly dawn]

Thorton, that was it

[silver spruce]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=013002071800&s0=5&l0=140&r0=5&p0=0&a0=0&t0=4444&g0=AAECAwQFBgwPEBEUKCstLi8&v1=015000001800&s1=5&l1=140&r1=4&p1=0&a1=0&t1=4444&g1=AAECAwQFBggLDg&v2=001600058100&s2=5&l2=140&r2=3&p2=0&a2=0&t2=44444&g2=AAECAwQFERQVFxgmKCks

[chilly dawn]

Then again thorton was piss easy so

[stable storm]

Thorton gets pretty hard countered by leaf Morty

[fading walrus]

Leaf debuffing won't go through without stagger

I think?

[silver spruce]

Give that a try, it's the best I can think of for f2p

• Serena

[keen spear]

who else?

[chilly dawn]

Like thorton was probably the easiest of the UBs

[stable storm]

@hearty cedar any nate clear plans on evelyn?

[keen spear]

fhanks btw

[chilly dawn]

To me at least

[stable storm]

yeah leaf destroys him very hard

[chilly dawn]

Argenta took ages and Lucy was just slow bc gauge issues

[hearty cedar]

Evelyn? Oh latios. Yes

[fading walrus]

Bro brings fire team to thorton "ez"

[stable storm]

What's the plan

[silver spruce]

Check the link, it has the girds

[fading walrus]

Yeah the team do be made for the stage

[chilly dawn]

Turns out Courtney/NC Leaf/SS Morty has gauge issues, who'da guessed

[hearty cedar]

If I get lance then its nate + lance. Or else it'll be leaf + nate unfortunately

[fading walrus]

I wouldn't

[silver spruce]

How morty is a literal gauge battery

[stable storm]

Thought Morty had team +6 speed?

[valid raft]

Surprising TBH

[stable storm]

and all have speeding sun

[fading walrus]

Because leaf just spams leer and Morty gives insane gauge and speed

[chilly dawn]

Eight bars a cycle really cuts in and I ran out of MGA a long time back

[fading walrus]

But I mean

[chilly dawn]

I ran out of sun and MGA

[hearty cedar]

@stable storm oh wait i forgot I'm getting steven so its steven + nate + somebody. Hopefully lance

[silver spruce]

+2 and whatever you can get out of mpr. The dashing team tile is out of the way and expensive

[hearty cedar]

Can we flinch latios?

[chilly dawn]

He had dashing team, the issue is speed got maxed and it was his only move

[fading walrus]

I doubt anything can surprise me more than "adaman SS ace mix red doesn't do enough damage to Argenta, they die before reaching 50%"