Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

[buoyant tide]

yeah, i was trying to figure out my other -spatk options but satisfied snarl is just so good

any particular grid on cheren?

[thin canyon]

Try this if guage struggles you might have to drop sync node for fake tears mgr

[dusk kernel]

Hi I have been trying to beat take on Anabel 2 for the past couple days and no luck

This is what I got any suggestions would be welcome

[stable storm]

bertha or katherine or lodge Lillie over rika

[stable storm]

go bertha over volo so you can counter both the gimmicks. Send ur grids as well btw

[dusk kernel]

Should I keep gladion or switch to Geeta?

[silver spruce]

I honestly think poppy may be useful here

1/5 Geeta will have a hard time

[stable storm]

remove sandcastle for sandstorm mpr

[stable storm]

your ss glad grid needs a complete rework. Grab overpower, b move refresh , brainpower and 2 smun on ko

[dusk kernel]

Is this any better

[stable storm]

Lemme check

[dusk kernel]

I do have some candies I can use to get Geeta to 3/5 should I do that or stick with gladion

[stable storm]

ss glad can do it easily

don't waste candies before Anni

[stable storm]

grab the fluer accuracy tiles over move gauge refresh

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/11901/80100?s=3&l=150&r=6&p=0&a=13016403&g=AAECAwQFDA0RFBcaGygrLS4&x=true

something like this

[dusk kernel]

Got it thank you

I got ice guard on sycamore should I leave that or put on vigilance ?

[stable storm]

ice guard would be better yeh

you simply have to dodge the crit

[echo drum]

Say, this is what I have for Allistair's extreme battle, any advice?

[stone scarab]

Are those move levels entirely accurate

[echo drum]

Nope

[stone scarab]

Id recommend updating them then, without accurate info its hard for us to help you

[dusk kernel]

@stable storm thank you for all the help

Going to give it another try later

[echo drum]

Both Karens are maxed, so is Sydney, S!Marnie is at 3, OG is at 1, Sonia is at 4

Gimme a second

[buoyant tide]

unfortunately its not gauge thats my issue, its health

not sure why im doing so little and taking so much

but

oh well

ive got 1 on allister and piers and both on bea, it could be worse

(for piers i have ssa cynthia but just not enough other good teammates for her)

which is similar to why im struggling on the leon battle challenge 2 galar challenge actually

[echo drum]

There we go

Blegh, forgot to set Royale and Grimsley

Royale is at 4, Grimsley is maxed

[stone scarab]

Okay, Karen is generally the best accessible damage dealer for the stage

[echo drum]

Yeah, she's been working well so far

[stone scarab]

Though she does want EX for it since it makes koing the sides much easier

[echo drum]

Tried using Sydney but phys damage is not great here

[stone scarab]

Yeah, the stage has doubled physical defense naturally. You definitely want special damage dealers

[buoyant tide]

... wait, it does?

[echo drum]

Out of Champion spirits for now, and I already got most of the ones from MM

[buoyant tide]

damn i missed that

i mean. i was still using spec but

[stone scarab]

Yeah, thats fair

[buoyant tide]

does piers also have a preferential dmg type?

[echo drum]

Come again?

[buoyant tide]

even with getting crits of like 22k from bea it felt like a very small chunk of his bar

[buoyant tide]

like how mex just said that the stage has innade double phys def (presuming the stage here is allister, which you were i think discussing)

[echo drum]

I haven't done part 2 of that yet, tbh, I am not confident because I only have Wally and Bea for Fighting

[stone scarab]

Not in the same way as Allisters fight does

[echo drum]

Honestly, it's pretty likely

[buoyant tide]

since im not seeing that indicated basically anywhere, i was asking if that could be related to why i was struggling on piers 2

[stone scarab]

Lemme triple check the stage info but all I remember from that stage is the fight having Snarl to debuff special damage dealers

And, well, the majority of fighting types being physically oriented to start with

[buoyant tide]

also fwiw my piers 1 clear was very much ssa cynthia sync cheese to overwrite dark zone, i dont envy anyone who is trying without her

[echo drum]

Close combat handled Piers 1 pretty well

[buoyant tide]

yeah, i was syncing with cynthia so i could keep dark zone out but meteor assault even with a full non-sync bea grid was just not doing the numbers i was expecting

[echo drum]

Still, what's the rec for part 2? Hop, Bea and Cobalion?

[pallid badger]

What would be a good f2p team for piers 2?

[stone scarab]

Passive 1: Resilience
Passive 2: Lessen Poison 10
Passive 3: Tough Cookie
Passive 4: Towering Force
Passive 5: Smart Cookie
Passive 6: Brute Wits
Passive 7: Sentry Entry 2
Passive 8: Wise Entry 2
Passive 9: Shielding Strikes 1
Passive 10: Barricade 1
Passive 11: Umbral Power 3
Passive 12: Umbral Acceleration 2
Passive 13: Standfast 9
Passive 14: Dark Shift
Passive 15: Fanfare 2
Passive 16: Slo-mo 9
Passive 17: Pump Up 2
Passive 18: Weigh Down 4

wants you to focus on debuffing

[buoyant tide]

gotcha

[stone scarab]

it is only sentry entry and wise entry 2, so no doubled defensive stats like Allister

[buoyant tide]

so as long as you're countering stats you should be ok

alright

[stone scarab]

for that effect you're looking out for sentry/wise entry x2, the x is the important part

[stable storm]

sonia and cobalion would do pretty well

[echo drum]

So, Spectrier, gotcha

[stable storm]

iirc they both drop defense

[stable storm]

no, sonia and cobalion

with bea

[echo drum]

I'll probably use Wally again, I have him maxed

[buoyant tide]

yeah, i was actually looking a that list and considering packing one of my unfortuitous units

oak mew swift for just constant debuff? idk

[stable storm]

Whose move level is 3/5 or more, wally or bea

[echo drum]

Wally is 5/5, plus EX

[stone scarab]

But anyway, for @echo drum's Allister fight, I would recommend Karen and Melony for your tank, the third character could be someone to help inflict a status change to help Karen's DPS like Nessa

[echo drum]

Bea is not

[stable storm]

I have seen bea survive a sync from enemy even if they have+5 sp def. Just focus on defense

[stable storm]

how much is bea

[echo drum]

Oh, I didn't consider Melony, but that makes sense

[stone scarab]

Oh wait nvm foul fighting is specifically the interferences

[buoyant tide]

would a screecher be a better choice than sonia for more consistent -2 to overcome?

[buoyant tide]

she has foul and dirty

for toxic + flinch off bite

[stone scarab]

Yeah, dirty fighting is just awkward because of Natural Remedy on the fight

[echo drum]

My bad, Bea is also 5/5

[buoyant tide]

oh right it procs for status not status change

[stone scarab]

You'll get it instantly cleansed and unable to inflict anything for a while

[buoyant tide]

god i hate that terminology/classification split dfgjkhgfdhjk

[stable storm]

Sonia is galar so she can tank and she maxes your team"s dedenses, crit and attack and has good healing and does-1 def per hit

[buoyant tide]

breaks my brain every time

[stable storm]

can you ex bea?

[stone scarab]

Instead of Nessa, Sidney would probably be fine to help thanks to Criticonfuse then, with that in mind

[buoyant tide]

ig my larger issue is uh

[echo drum]

Nope, no Champ Spirits

[stone scarab]

I would recommend waiting until Monday because you'll have CS reset then

But it doesnt hurt to try now

[buoyant tide]

i was waiting to post this til we had good answers for this class of challenge fights but

[stable storm]

idk if the strat works with wally

[buoyant tide]

this is my galar roster

oh beans you cant see the 2/5 on sonia

but yeah her healing is a lot less consistent at 2/5 with only one mpr on potion

no endurance either

[stone scarab]

Yeah Sonia gains a lot from her 3/5

[buoyant tide]

im trying so hard not to candy any of the genpool pairs

[stone scarab]

Yeah, its not worth it

[buoyant tide]

bc im sitting on so many 5* tickets for when they update the pool on anni and i will either wind up inevitably pulling whoever ive candied then or shortly after from a regional

but god

my galar options are so rough, for both this and for the leon 2 use 2 galar challenge

(also i am currently at a bit of a bottleneck wrt great aid and tech + hence why theres a lot of 124 and 129)

[paper mural]

Hop + Melony + on type striker is the go to for most Galar ebes.

[pallid badger]

I used Melony Hop and Riley for Piers. I can take out the sides but not doing enough damage to obstagoon

What’s the F2P options for Anabel again?

[pallid badger]

What will they include in the new pool?

[buoyant tide]

lenora for unova, kalos is doubling from 3 to 6, and uhh

ryuki for alola?

kalos is tierno drasna and olympia

[stable tundra]

Only Unova Kalos and Alola pools have update so feel free to spend your Galar tickets

[paper mural]

You have exr on Riley?

[pallid badger]

Yep

[buoyant tide]

of those i have ryuki and drasna but lenora would be a huge help

[pallid badger]

Ahh that makes sense

[buoyant tide]

is there any chance of a toxic strats win vs leon 2? im wondering if sonia + melony might be enough to stall out toxic increments bc im really not seeing any other decent damage option

[valid raft]

That team should've easily won

[olive hull]

She doesn't do anywhere near enough damage

[paper mural]

https://youtu.be/vN2Vq_QUeU4?si=a-roBdnwg_LMBtNC&t=447
This is a non exr Riley clear.

[pallid badger]

The F2P option for Anabel is Bertha, BP Valerie and one more I forgot

[valid raft]

Are you using Swords Dance before nuking?

[olive hull]

Yes

[valid raft]

Because I have a similar team with SS Morty instead of SS Mina and got it

[olive hull]

She was my MVP for that Fairy DC a few days ago. Didn't hold true for round 2 here though

[valid raft]

What move level is she?

Your SS Mina

[olive hull]

1/5

[valid raft]

Are you spamming Leer with Leaf?

[olive hull]

Yes

[valid raft]

Because Leaf should not be doing damage

[olive hull]

Nope. Gets like 4 Leers out before sync kills

[pallid badger]

Thanks. I’ll try it out

Oh wait… I don’t have cobalion 😭💀

[paper mural]

Do NC Leaf have exr? I'm guessing the clear should be NC Leaf sync first, SS Mina sync second (so fairy zone won't run out before BP Val sync), then BP Val sync.

[valid raft]

Love of Pallet will still work even if missed

[valid raft]

1/5 SS Mina

So no Fairy Kingdom

[paper mural]

Oh... forget that...

[valid raft]

Also Leaf doesn't need EXR

At least for me

[paper mural]

Try other def debuffer ig?

[olive hull]

That's why my first sync was with Valerie to keep the zone boost

But even then, I would still be at least two syncs away from victory. Farthest I've gotten was 40% and that was with one extra sync

[valid raft]

Leaf is only meant to be a Leer and Potion spammer

[olive hull]

She won't live to use potions

[paper mural]

I mean it still help if she has that.
Anyway for 1/5 EX SS Mina you still sync by her first, then BP Val second.
EX support buff is too potent you can't really miss it before doing dmg.

[olive hull]

Is it better to miss a sync under zone though?

[valid raft]

I managed to do it without zone and with an off-region unit too

Maybe if my SS Morty had Ice Guard, then he would've lived the Giga Impact

But I still managed without

[pallid badger]

Brawly and Hariyama?

[pale mica]

So... best pair?

[valid raft]

BP Valerie

[stable tundra]

She really wants EX to clear tho. Better wait for anni datamine first

[olive hull]

So here's how far I get. This was my best attempt so far
https://streamable.com/138uvj

[paper mural]

Don't do sword dance > play rough > sword dance > play rough.
You're losing DPS.

[inner heath]

Pretty easy tbh, is your leaf ex roled, she should be able to tank the sync. 1/5 leaf and mina

[olive hull]

I do not have her EX Role

The sync does like 1000 damage. How is she supposed to survive that?

[inner heath]

then max her level, use fire/better gear

also leaf HP was not full, should've used potion on her instead of mina, you can use acuity as lucky skill on leaf to -6 atk without any miss

[olive hull]

Why would I want to do this? Don't I want to max attack and as long as the super effective up is on sync it should be okay, right?

[stable tundra]

after maxing her atk out, only use Sword Dance right before sync

2 Play Rough are stronger than a SEUN boosted Play Rough

[inner heath]

also this was like 300 dmg not 1000 dmg

[olive hull]

Oh I thought I saw a 4 digit number once

It was 800 damage

[inner heath]

either way at full HP and better gear she should be able to tank that, she has more than 800 HP

[valid raft]

Leaf's EXR doesn't matter here

[olive hull]

She has like 780 HP. I don't think I can add on 200 or so more HP

[tame canyon]

I need help

[inner heath]

replace Lillie with SBurgh, both team need some good RNG but Burgh should be a little bit easier, and use fairy gear

[valid raft]

Your team has the necessary gimmick counter anyways

[inner heath]

if you don't want to invest just use mina bmove before they sync to keep leaf alive

[olive hull]

But then I have no accuracy post sync

[inner heath]

you will kill them with sync anyway not play rough

and use acuity on moltes, mina doesn't need accuracy

you just find excuses

[valid raft]

You don't even need Acuity on NC Leaf

[olive hull]

I already put acuity on Moltres

[valid raft]

Because Pride of Pallet will trigger to all enemies regardless if Leer misses

The defense drop is nice, but the attack drop is the real winner here

[inner heath]

just for the bmove near the end when they buff again, but yeah the most important thing is just keep her alive so you can queue enough for another sync

[olive hull]

There's a small gap to use it because otherwise it gets busted by an AOE move or rain runs out and it can't be used

So close 🥲

[tame canyon]

This is starting to annoy me

I would've won if I didn't miss

[carmine oar]

place your bets chat am i cooking or am i cooked against anabel

grids are for bertha, bp valerie and sycamore

[olive hull]

I feel like I've been at this all day. I should have just bought SS Nemona and ended this unwinnable misery

[stable tundra]

if you do that, you exchange 3000 gems in the best case scenario for mere 300 gems

[olive hull]

Yes. I had to buy NC Rosa to win that Alder battle and had to give up on that despicable Hau battle you needed SS Gladion for

These battles are the worst. Gonna complain to Dena as well

[tame canyon]

I hate EBEs with accuracy gimmicks

[paper mural]

Well in general I'll advise ppl just accept you lose 300 gems. It's not a big deal and 100% not worth potentially 36600 gems to get it.

[fading walrus]

Hell even not worth doing a single for it

[inner heath]

People still have the team to clear tho, just fishing for good rng, but it’s not that bad tbh, having mina alone is enough

[snow spruce]

looks like there wont be Poison team clear on Giovanni..

[paper mural]

I wonder are other supports not working or are they just stubborn to try making SS Mina + posion gang work.

[low coral]

There are better supports than Mina for this, yes

It's mostly the novelty of single comp clear that makes Poison stand out

Which is why you're unlikely to see other Poison clears without Mina even when she's not BiS for this

You might see Oleana by herself though

[sturdy ore]

would any strategy using either deoxys, nihilego or celebi can works on Anabel part 2 ?

[shrewd marten]

Did ur pfp always have something on the bottom left

Am I just blind

[low coral]

It's Cynthia

[shrewd marten]

Well yeah I realized it when I saw it but I never saw the little yellow there before

Intense blind is me

[stable tundra]

Extreme Event Battles are generally very hard to beat for new players. Unless you happen to have SS Nemona (do not pull her just to clear this battle) you should ignore Anabel

[compact crest]

thanks

[stable tundra]

The only f2p team so far is Sycamore, Bertha and BP Valerie, but all of them need EX and decent skill gears

[compact crest]

I'll skip

as u adviced

[stable tundra]

You can post your Fairy and Paldea roster here so we can see if you have a chance to beat her

[compact crest]

no chance probably

[stable tundra]

Yeah sadly

Curiously, do you have NC Leaf or SS Morty?

[compact crest]

morty

morty geeta gladion?

[stable tundra]

Hmm you can give Grusha, Morty and Geeta team a try, but I'm not too sure if it works

[compact crest]

it'll work?

ok

[stable tundra]

Probably your best chance

Use Grusha's TMs at the start

[compact crest]

ok

thanks for helping as always

[stable tundra]

Use his B Move once afterwards, then save the remaining one for post sync Giga Impact

Using Sunny Day on the first turn is crucial too

[compact crest]

ok

[stable tundra]

For Geeta grid her with nuke tiles. Make sure Zone is up whenever she syncs

I think that's enough advice from me. Wish you best of luck

[sturdy ore]

noted man

[torn sierra]

Whats the easiest ultimate battle

Assuming I have every unit in the game invested in

[true lagoon]

lucy

[low coral]

If you have every unit in the game invested in, no UB should give you too much trouble, but Lucy is easy even for a relatively new player

[torn sierra]

I'll try out lucy then thanks

I have most good units but all the battles I tried have still been difficult

[autumn hound]

Is there a way to get decent score on dmg challenge with this roster?

[low coral]

Pretty hard without the boosted Silver

[autumn hound]

RIP then

[stable tundra]

https://youtu.be/_l9bki4kyIU

Who designed this jellyfish to never die 💀

[stable storm]

what move levels

grusha, ss glad and Bertha is a pretty easy clear

[pale mica]

I don't have the top 4 (allegedly) Dark sync pairs

ie SS Cyrus, Akari, NC Calem and NC Marnie

Next best is Karen

[high zephyr]

guys, can this beat the stage if i get the ex?

[valid raft]

Hmmmm, looks beatable even if you flinch them and trigger x2 X Attack All

Which gives +6 attack to all of them

[frozen meteor]

looks like a no

valerie cannot tank

and only she can cuz x5 stats

ice type means blue dies

[valid raft]

I mean, you can try to flinch with Blue and waste their usage of X Attack All and neutralize the attack buff with Blue and Leaf

[night estuary]

IM COOKED

I need recommendations 🙏🏽

also: most of the sync pairs lvls are majority lvl 1 - (specifically master fair units and ss)

[stable tundra]

does everyone have Antitoxin lucky skill?

[valid raft]

Doesn't Zerena have Status Immunity in grid?

[stable tundra]

yes, but not at 1/5

[valid raft]

Ok

[paper mural]

These are the example of not so strong MFs at 1/5.
You should use someone like 3/5 Courtney.

[night estuary]

Gotcha… I haven’t upgraded Courtney yet completely but I have her at 2/5

Lvl 1 sadly 💀

[stable tundra]

there is no rush beating UBs

[night estuary]

Yeahhhh there isn’t… I’m just in a crisis for a pity of 399/400

[stable tundra]

you can wait for tomorrow

[night estuary]

Would Lyras banner be gone later today?

[stable tundra]

oh right, her banner expires next reset

the team above can work, just give everyone Antitoxin

2/5 COurtney is better than nothing

replace Leon with her

[night estuary]

Gotcha

[shadow vale]

Any luck yet?

[rich heron]

For wht

[compact crest]

Grusha ex 1/5
gladion 3/5 ex
bertha 1/5

[jaunty coral]

I STILL cant do this battle i even tried with bianca i think i should just give up

It's been since this was out that i try to do it

[valid onyx]

Omg didn't expect this team would struggle

Now I'm scared

[fading walrus]

Lucario Is useless

Just use bianca instead

Also how the hell are you struggling with zone + rebuff + rei

[jaunty coral]

Yeah well it's somehow worse with bianca

[fading walrus]

• circle

[jaunty coral]

Probably my grids idk

I dont have the additional energy on rei

And he dont have ex role

[fading walrus]

Well the ex role part shouldn't make the world of difference

Because his buddy melts sides

[jaunty coral]

Let me try again and tell me the damage of his bmove

[jaunty coral]

That was with +4 SUE

i lost if you wanna know

[fading walrus]

Are all 3 1/5?

Because that's extremely low damage for zoned circle -6 Def buddy

[jaunty coral]

No lol rei and hop are 3/5

And Bianca is 1/5

[fading walrus]

Mhhhh

Weird still, if I had Rei I'd show you how to clear

[jaunty coral]

Im doomed to never complete that battle

[stable tundra]

How do the grids look like?

It would be helpful if you could record your gameplay

too

[sour elk]

Try to mimick this clear, it was done with 1/5 Bianca and 1/5 Hop next to Rei

https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonMasters/s/dv5bYRxOAf

If you are having a hard time and have the resources, caking Rei would help but I think it might not be necessary

Without Rei's EXR and with 3/5 Hop, it might be better to use Hop's sync on Regigigas after Rei's 1st and saving Rei's TM SE Up for a B move late in the game, which hopefully helps you to deny Empoleon to gain an extra turn

[jaunty coral]

Im gonna try that later thank you

[shrewd marten]

Lucario isn’t useless but also use hops sync cuz that can do 300k if done right

[tough sonnet]

Are there any f2p clears for pt 2 of the allister battle?

[paper mural]

Hop + Melony + Karen

[valid raft]

There is. Go to the docs, then click Archived Nav and click March 2023

[tough sonnet]

@valid raft whats the method to beat it with the 3rd anniversary pairs?

I see you had a video doing it with them

[tough sonnet]

Where can I find that, could you dm me a link or page to a completion with that team?

[short sundial]

who’s better against ultimate battle anabel? ss mina or ss kris

both 3/5

[fading walrus]

both work

depends on the other 2

[snow spruce]

I would say Mina because she is tankier
tanky support in UB = good

[low coral]

It depends on the team, but KriSS generally is the better one vs Anabel

[tepid cave]

I finally beat it 😭 using acuity on Lisia was key

[silver spruce]

Is Rei Ex Role?

[jaunty coral]

No

[olive hull]

SC Steven was the answer. It seemed to me a lot less gimmicky and less luck-based. Can't dodge solves the accuracy issue and team condition resist prevents run-ending mid-game flinches. And Physical Move power up makes up for Valerie's rather disappointing normal damage.

Still, I had to +10 energy Valerie 😭
Oh well

[calm sand]

Still a nice clear tho

[small basin]

was it worth it

[olive hull]

Yes

She's still my best physical fairy strike

[frozen meteor]

Nice

[paper mural]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4HFWeHLb4k

[snow spruce]

I kinda feel like just the team of new Steven + Lance + Cynthia will be monstrous together in UBs, despite not sharing types
since one is support, one is AoE focused, one is ST focused
you get practically everything (tanking, damage, rebuffs, WZT, debuffs etc.) at once with good damage
That said they probably wont be able to beat Nita anyway kek. Although if any one of them has good speed debuffs - maybe they could bruteforce Nita even via sandstorm

[low coral]

We don't know their damage yet

[snow spruce]

they are anni pairs, I assume the stats and damage will be as good as expected of anni pairs. 3-rd/4-th anni level or higher
its more so about the compressions. But we'll see

Actually you can run old + new Garchomps together and get synergy kek
And you can even run lodge Cynthia with them - for a triple ground Cynthias team .. and it will work too

[shrewd marten]

man thats ambitious

[silver spruce]

Lodge Cynthia doesn't have the capability to tank any UB without a massive defense boost

[snow spruce]

not UBs, maybe something else liek a weaker EBE .. or Lucy maybe

[stable storm]

Wonder if there will be any new all ub clearing comps

[snow spruce]

Cynthia seems like a better NC Silver and there's a chance her ground attack debuffs Speed..

[outer skiff]

Is there any way I'm clearing this nemona ebe

[stable tundra]

do you have SS Morty or NC Leaf?

[outer skiff]

Ssmorty 2/5 yes

[stable storm]

I wonder what ub Dena will cook up for Anni

[lunar sedge]

Red duh he always gotta make a presence durring anni month

[final yacht]

He technically is battle facility foe too

[lunar sedge]

He's also in BR start screen

[stable storm]

fuck

[lean trench]

what would be best team for Allister Part 2? I have been trying up different combinations but nothing seems to make a trick

and no, i can't really upgrade any of those pair further

[inner heath]

sonia melony karen

[lean trench]

Finally

Thanks

[snow spruce]

ArCynthia + Fall Roxanne + SS Mina - potential all UBs team ? I know SS mina doesnt really synergize but she is too good on some UBs
without her it would be harder to handle Palmer, Noland, Nita .. although maybe new Steven is so busted that you can do that anyway

[snow spruce]

and yeah the new pairs do +1 team rebuffs .. so ArCynthia is the anti-EQ spam pair now
maybe SST reds best friend in UBs

[paper mural]

I mean we will never know until we see the full kit.

[stable tundra]

Oops mb. I think you can replicate the f2p team clear with Sycamore, BP Valerie and Bertha

[outer skiff]

I have 2/5 ssmorty

[stable tundra]

But he lacks atk debuffs

Bertha fulfills both roles of weather setter and atk debuffer

[outer skiff]

Ah okay

Thanksss

Who should tank?

Last time I tried sycamore didn't live long

[stable tundra]

It's Sycamore

Bertha buffs crit for him so he can drain health

Make sure Anabel has positive atk buffs when she is about to sync. Getting skill gears with high bulk stats is highly recommended for Bertha to live through aoe and sync

[outer skiff]

Um
neither Valerie nor Bertha seem to survive the sync
Bertha loses all her health to aoe moves even before sync

[paper mural]

Do you have Bertha at EX? She needs it and maybe skill gears with +hp and +def/spdef to survive a sync.

[stable tundra]

^^

[outer skiff]

I have the SCBarry skill set on a pin I used for her

What about Valerie dying too

[paper mural]

You mean negative atk buffs XD. How many atk debuff Anabel has before she sync?

[stable storm]

is enemy at -5 attack?

[outer skiff]

I kept it at +1 because gakon said that

[stable tundra]

Oh i meant she has no positive atk buffs my apologizes

[warm haven]

ive been thinking about it, if she can set sanstorm at least twice she can replace silver for most UBs. To beat all of them it depens of the things about her kit we dont know yet

[shrewd marten]

I demand a most overpowered kit

Unlike arven

Cmon Dena give me this much at least

[stable storm]

They will probably be op seeing what we know so far

[shrewd marten]

No I don’t want just op

[stable storm]

Lance looks like he will be an ub mid murderer

[snow spruce]

Nita would probably still be unbeatable for SST Red + ArCynthia .. although if her Ground attack can lower speed, then maybe you just bruteforce vs sandstorm
but thats only if you want to use Red .. ideally Cynthias best partner is Foxanne, their kits go so well together

[shrewd marten]

I want GIGA busted Cynthia

[stable storm]

especially if his defense drops aren't one time only

[warm haven]

if they dont troll us with a 350 atk cynthia she will be a monster

[stable tundra]

All of Air Conditioner pairs have overloaded kit

[stable storm]

back in my day 350 was high

[shrewd marten]

I would be fucking furious

[snow spruce]

also ArSteven is a physical support, you can just slap him on any physical team even if they arent Steel

[stable tundra]

Damn it autocorrect

[shrewd marten]

So he power creeped himself

The stoitland one

How surprising

[stable storm]

AS pairs look broken

[shrewd marten]

Steven wrong one kekw

[shrewd marten]

They’re supposed to be

[stable tundra]

Literally the physical NC Blue

[shrewd marten]

Anniversary and arceus

[warm haven]

yeah he looks very close to blue, with his grid he may be even better

[stable storm]

Let's see if ASS will have attack and special attack debuffs on grid

[shrewd marten]

Assssssssssuming he’s good

[snow spruce]

even if he doesnt - Rika has Atk/SpAtk debuffs and Foxanne has tupsy turvy built into her sync. Ground teams will be fine anyway
But yeah I hope he has it

Arc Suit Steven - ASS ? lmao

[paper mural]

Also the new Anni Steven will be the best support for the old Anni Steven.

He seems like he can provide a ton of buffs to boost Good Form.

[stable storm]

It's a perfect acronym

[shrewd marten]

That is amazing

[true lagoon]

ASL American Sign Language i mean Arc Suit Lance

[stable storm]

ASC

We have had ssc

and ssca and sscr

[snow spruce]

Cynthia
Cynthia Lodge
SSC
SSRC
SSAC
ASC

[stable storm]

ASCR when

[stable tundra]

2025

[small basin]

NASCAR when

no arc suit cynthia? awesome really!

[stable tundra]

No, the opponents have high physical dmg reduction and Masked Royal is only 1/5

Also Rosa does not receive stat boost

Do you have 3/5 EX Karen and Melony?

It's okay

Can you EX her?

It's better if you can show me your Dark and Galar roster

EXing Karen is advised

[true lagoon]

yeah karen needs ex or sides will destroy you

[surreal torrent]

I have no idea who to use against Anabel in round two

If I don’t use all fairy sync pairs, I lose easily. But when I do use them, they have evasiveness so there’s nothing you can do

[valid raft]

Anabel requires you to change her weather to not hail and lower their attack buffs

Accuracy debuff may be a pain, but it shouldn't concern you that much

As compared to the 2 main gimmicks

[stable tundra]

You also want to use physical dmg dealers. Special dmg dealers dont work well unless their name is Gladion (but he still needs 3/5 and good teammates)

[surreal torrent]

This evasiveness is not helping whatsoever

[surreal torrent]

I only have Marnie & Grimmsnarl for physical damage dealing. I only have 2 sync pairs for lowering attack and Mina & Tapu Fini for changing weather.

And their defense is too damn high

[stable storm]

What move level is tapu fini

tapu fini, Bertha and valery(assuming all ex) should clear easily

[surreal torrent]

1/5

Bertha and Hippowdon?

[stable storm]

eh, still shouldn't be too hard if you play well. Do you want the strat?

[stable storm]

Yes

[surreal torrent]

Sure

[stable storm]

is everyone ex

[surreal torrent]

No

Cause I don’t have enough champion spirits for them

[stable storm]

Then nvm

[true lagoon]

wait

if i have ss kris could this work

or no cuz she has no def buffs

[small basin]

team stoic moment

[true lagoon]

well mine is only 1/5

[small basin]

sadge

[surreal torrent]

Basically this is impossible without SS Nemona

[true lagoon]

no

its doable without

but it still requires specific move levels on specific units

dont feel bad if you cant beat it

[surreal torrent]

I’m trying not to, I just don’t like these in your face moments for playing the game so late. Like for these move candies right, I barely even have some and it takes too long to get them and some of the battles to earn them, I don’t have the proper sync pairs or surprisingly enough the right amount of move candies. I can’t keep up with all of that happening

[mental jasper]

Don't look at it as that, every gacha game has to have something to provide somewhat of a challenge to keep players who have been playing the game for a long time something to do. EBEs are some of the content designed for that, which is why the rewards are minimal in the first place

[crude kite]

can the battles against piers and allister be offtyped, i have like 0 reliable units for dark and fighting

[stone scarab]

depends on your galar roster in that case

it's not impossible to do it, but it will likely be a fair bit more difficult

[edgy cedar]

For Giovanni, is the gimmick he boosts his stats quick

[true lagoon]

he needs to be debuffed or he nukes ur ass and he needs a wtz or he has tripled defenses

he uses tms at his endure threshold which put him to +6 in both attacks

[edgy cedar]

If you wsnt to go the nc blue + ssr red + Grimsley route, does red and Grimsley need vigilance

[true lagoon]

uh

[edgy cedar]

I can't quite seem to kill fast enough before 2nd sync

[true lagoon]

check the video on that

i dont think you need vigilance

also no ss misty?

i think shes better here than grimsley

[edgy cedar]

I was using sc zinnia (1/5) and damage wasn't quite there in 2 syncs

[true lagoon]

ss misty is better since she counts as an extra stack for master passive

should help for just decreasing length

[pseudo frost]

Anyone has piers challenge guide?

All three challenges

I have these

[stable tundra]

please narrow down to show your boosted rosters next time

[pseudo frost]

?

[stable tundra]

Piers stage has Fighting and Galar theme boost, so you should have only shown your roster of both themes

[pseudo frost]

Oh okayy

[stable tundra]

it will help us looking into your options easier

[pseudo frost]

I will post them separately now

For all three stages

[stable tundra]

how about your Galar roster?

Fighting looks rough, Dark can be doable with EX Karen, Giovanni and Bianca can handle Psychic methinks

[pseudo frost]

Wait

Galat roster

[stable tundra]

Hop + Kabu + EX Riley/Karen for their stages, respectively

no EX Giovanni might be harsh to get it done

[pseudo frost]

I need to EX both Riley and karen?

[stable tundra]

yes, the enemies have very high HP

[pseudo frost]

Damn I might not even have enough for one

Guess, Ill save for future stages than use them up now

Anyways, thanks for the help!

[stable tundra]

[lunar sedge]

We beating up Evelyn

[true lagoon]

is evelyn gonna use raikou then

[lunar sedge]

We already have ground weak tho

[true lagoon]

well suicune and entei are already taken

unless she has other mons im not aware of

[lunar sedge]

Latios

[true lagoon]

the revenge of latios

[stable storm]

*she's gonna beat us up if she's as hard as Nita

[lunar sedge]

Bug type UB

[stable storm]

??

do we have any details about the ub

[lunar sedge]

for legal reasons this is a joke we still don't have the weakness

[stable storm]

Phew

[lunar sedge]

But imagine if it was just to fuck with y'all

[stable storm]

Watch evelyn be harder than Nita cuz she's older

[stable tundra]

so it's either Ghost, Dragon or Bug

[rotund oasis]

fairy weak perhaps?

[lunar sedge]

Yeah it's Latios

Time to wait for the details

I hope it's bug weak

[warm haven]

latios is getting revenge for his LA bully

[low coral]

[legend_theme_6080_001] Lower each opponent’s stats to
nullify their damage reduction!

[legend_rule_6080_001] The first time Latios’s HP reaches 60% or
lower, it endures with that HP.
[legend_rule_6080_002] The opponent gains more damage reduction
the more its stats have been raised in total.
[legend_rule_6080_003] When an opponent’s Attack, Sp. Atk, or
Sp. Def is raised, that opponent’s moves
and sync moves are powered up.

[stable tundra]

sounds like the stage is designed for SS Korrina

or SS Wally

[warm haven]

thank god it's just one endure

[stable storm]

oh god I read the first line and hot trauma

fairy weak I assume

[lunar sedge]

I hope so

[stable storm]

Time for ss glad and the ss wally I will get soon to destroy this

[lunar sedge]

The way they specified special defense sounds like Wally

Assuming the stage would even allow us to confuse then

[low coral]

Reminder that DC Wally can lower all of those stats as well, for those with weaker rosters

[warm haven]

true

[paper mural]

My first thought is dragon UB.

[stable storm]

dragon would also be fine for me

[gentle wharf]

With all those stat drops requirements, dragons like Alt Leon and AIris came to mind

[lunar sedge]

@rich marsh lounge has timer is annoying is best to talk here

[valid raft]

What's Evelyn's weakness?

[lunar sedge]

We don't know

Ghost, Fairy or Dragon are the most likely from the strategy description

[boreal abyss]

[broken crag]

do we have info on latios gimmick?

nvm

[stable storm]

anymore info on latios?

[gentle wharf]

Drop his stats or die

Also 60% HP Endurance I think?

[stable storm]

no, like weakness stats and moves

[gentle wharf]

Not yet I think

[snow spruce]

Arc Cynthia + Arc Stevne is insane, I think just those 2 by themselves are already as good as the full Ice team lol
Cynthia is kinda Irida + NC red fused into 1 pair and Steven is physical Zapdos or better

.. Nita would still be very hard though

[warm haven]

nah idt they can get close to the ice team. Specially with chase there

but they're one of the top duos, that's for sure

[snow spruce]

well Arc Cynthia definitely outdamages NC red and she basically has nearly everything that Irida does baked into her kit (except SpAtk debuffs)
she lacks 100% freeze but it seems Arc Steven has a flinch, so thats covered

[low coral]

Yeah, that sounds like a overreaction, I'm fairly sure Red's Blizzard is stronger than Cynthia's Earthquake even without the Circle

[snow spruce]

red blizzard is ~150 BP with 400 SpAtk, right ?
her b-move EQ is 300 BP with 500 Atk (and she brings her own ground zone, defence debuffs etc.)
she also gets 4 PMUN after every sync

[low coral]

Yeah, but it's with a 3x multiplier minimum attached to it

On every attack, not just after sync

[warm haven]

If red is spamming blizzard he's always at +3 SMUN

[low coral]

I think her sync doesn't cap as high as well

[rotund oasis]

man. i'd love this if we had base cynthia get support exr.

😭

[snow spruce]

Cynthia has 150% normal multipliers, but then also:
her sync base BP is 360
total +100 from grid
her B-move gives +30% sync damage per attack if 3 enemies are trapped, so from 3 attacks you can get +90% for your sync (SyncMoveNext)
custom cookie Sand blaster 4 if you want to repalce CS2 or WW3
500+ Atk
seems pretty comparable to Red at minimum, but the main part is that you dont need your own Irida, freeing up a slot

As far as UBs go - Nita is the main issue.
I'd love if Arc Cynthia + Arc Steven + some other dps could do Nita, but not sure. SS Mina might be required

[low coral]

Why is Irida being used as a downside partner there

[warm haven]

Well it's true that cynthia is her own irida, you have way more partner flexibility

[snow spruce]

Iridas main contributions to Red are weather, zone, spdef debuffs (and ~some extra move damage). All things that Cynthia does herself (even has speed debuffs too)
only lacking SpAtk debuffs (but Arc Steven has those)

[warm haven]

but red also has 412 at base and way more multipliers on his grid + passive

[low coral]

There's a whole 40% multiplier Irida offers as well

[warm haven]

ah right, dps multipliers

55% if youre using ssac

[snow spruce]

its still a free slot, compression is busted
like Cynthia + Steven + Lance (the full new Arc tio) will easily outdamage Red+Irida, sicne Lance brings a shitton of ST damage, certainly a lot more than Iridas Ice Wind

[craggy wind]

More like Dragapult

[warm haven]

i would like to see if they can beat nita

[craggy wind]

Lg players be like

LOLTIOS again

[stable storm]

It's actually designed for ciris

[stable storm]

watch it be the hardest ub

[low coral]

I don't see that outdamaging Red / Irida / Chase at all

Have you calced it?

[snow spruce]

No, just eyeballed. I didnt even look at Lances kit too much yet, just know that his ST damage should be really high and obviously lots more than Icy wind
and I wasnt using Chase for the ice team, but SSA Cynthia/NC blue. Because with Chase you have no real tank, but with Arc Steven you still have an insane tank (while still having ton of damage)

[low coral]

Well, I do think Cynthia has the potential to rival him

But stuff like Cynthia + Steven alone beating all current comps in the game is heavily overreacting

[boreal abyss]

Still no pastebins over latios right?

[craggy wind]

Absol didnt post quest yet

[boreal abyss]

Gotcha

[final yacht]

1.5M HP
Defense Destroyer 9
Mind Breaker 9
Critical Clutch
5k in both offensive stats

Latios LA getting a revenge

[snow spruce]

well of course not, you still need a 3-rd in any case. I just found it funny that new Cynthia is more or less NC red + irida rolled into 1 unit
I do think that the full Arc Trio together has the potential to be the undisputed best team (..except on Nita), we'll see

[stable storm]

I thought this was real for a second

[final yacht]

Mind Breaker isnt even a passive lol

[low coral]

I disagree

I don't understand Lance there in general

Just run SC Adaman

[snow spruce]

You might be right about SC Adaman, tbh I forgot about him. But yeah he fits

Also that positive team Ground rebuff is sure to come in handy on some stages. DeNA looves giving enemies EQ

[boreal abyss]

Is that real?

[final yacht]

Is Mind Breaker real

[boreal abyss]

No idea lmao

[stable storm]

I can't wait to know the ebe and ub details

[boreal abyss]

I am just scared of the 1.5 mil hp

[stable storm]

It's a joke

[final yacht]

Mind Breaker doesnt exist lmao

[stable storm]

Hopefully

[boreal abyss]

Phew 😅

[final yacht]

I just made that shit up

[boreal abyss]

Okok hahah

[stable storm]

Inb4 mind breaker becomes a thing

[boreal abyss]

Yeah like, mael don't give them ideas

[stable storm]

if it does, I will stay in your walls mael

[final yacht]

Sorry Hit: Sp. Def ⬇️ 2 9

[boreal abyss]

Ew hahah

[lunar sedge]

Please be fairy or dragon, please be fairy or dragon

[final yacht]

Sorry Bug

[rotund oasis]

if itss bug, 3/5 ss hilbert gaming 🙂

[slate light]

noland

[final yacht]

It'll probably be dragon because of Lance

[rotund oasis]

biggest reason to 3/5R my Lucas at this point o.o

we're gonna get dragon single soon iirc in dc, so if she's packing a dragon weak unit, i'm all in 🙂

[slate light]

thank goodness i caked Lucas the other day

[stable storm]

@hearty cedar this is what we know so far about the ub
[legend_theme_6080_001] Lower each opponent’s stats to
nullify their damage reduction!

[legend_rule_6080_001] The first time Latios’s HP reaches 60% or
lower, it endures with that HP.
[legend_rule_6080_002] The opponent gains more damage reduction
the more its stats have been raised in total.
[legend_rule_6080_003] When an opponent’s Attack, Sp. Atk, or
Sp. Def is raised, that opponent’s moves
and sync moves are powered up.

(the enemy is evelynn and latios)

probably dragon weak

[slate light]

so what you're saying is Mind Games 2 C!Iris is the poor man's option

[hearty cedar]

Cris and lucas?

Oh ye mind games cris works too

[stable storm]

Nate and ciris

[hearty cedar]

Ye

[snow spruce]

yeah its made for new Lance

[stable storm]

Fairy team also fills everything the ub has

[hearty cedar]

How much hp on sides? I'm guessing they have low hp

[stable storm]

Hopefully the stats aren't too high

and the moves and tm are reasonable

we don't know

absol is still mining the battles iirc

[hearty cedar]

Nah, this ub probably boosts atk so ss wally's -4 atk might not be enough

I'm guessing 550k hp on the mid and 97k on the sides

[rotund oasis]

is she alone? o.o

[stable storm]

We don't know

[rotund oasis]

if itss just latios... yeee i'm down that.

[hearty cedar]

UB's are always 3vs3

[stable storm]

hopefully this ub is like his la variant. Weak.

[rotund oasis]

i'm gonna be doing nc blue, ball guy and lucas 3/5R 🙂

[hearty cedar]

This screams latias to me

Like one of the passives is literally fluid fortification

[rotund oasis]

doesnt she have a latias oor waas that morgan only?

[hearty cedar]

This latios is probably copying latias

[stable storm]

how long does it take to usually get ub details btw

[stable storm]

morgan only

[rotund oasis]

its probably a big list of battles, sstory encounters... and etc.

[final yacht]

Absol said in 2 hours

[stable storm]

ooo nice

[gentle wharf]

Oh nice yeah

Man works fast haha

[final yacht]

Latios is done with LA shit, he's back for a vengeance

[stable storm]

evelynn gonna beat us up harder than her little sister Nita

[boreal abyss]

No more with the speed gimmicks please

[loud adder]

How good is Arc Suit Steven in UBs from first impressions?

[warm haven]

One of the best

[snow spruce]

physical zapdos or better. Lacks status though

[warm haven]

He's a cheat code for Thorton, even with physical damage

[snow spruce]

Arc Steven + Arc Cynthia already cover almost everything except status and a non-sand weather

[hearty cedar]

Arc steven is great for this ub but he needs 4/5

[warm haven]

Nah

[low coral]

A bit worse than Blue

[hearty cedar]

Hard disagree. I'm pretty sure you are weighing blue's speed buffs more than steven's other exclusive stuff like pmun per atm etc

[low coral]

What's the etc?

[hearty cedar]

In terms of support, they are atleast equal

[snow spruce]

does Steven have a damage guard?

[hearty cedar]

Aoe free moves

[low coral]

?

He has st free moves

[hearty cedar]

Wait

[warm haven]

My problem with Steven is that he ruins quad

[low coral]

And only for himself

[hearty cedar]

I misspoke

Aoe endure I mean

[low coral]

UBs are time critical, missing quads are HUGE

[loud adder]

Steven's got innate Synchro Healing on sync and has Impervious, Status Immunity and Interference Immunity in his base kit.

[warm haven]

I don't have problem with his gauge because I almost never used XSpeed+ with blue

[low coral]

Since often you need the syncs to further progress your damage

[hearty cedar]

Not impervious, its downside up so even better

[warm haven]

He at least has flinches that in some UBs corrects the queue

[loud adder]

Good point

[hearty cedar]

Blue and steven does have some differences and I appreciate that. Both are atleast equal to each other

[low coral]

Yeah, although his flinches are RNG even when they're usable

[boreal abyss]

Iron head moment?

[hearty cedar]

30% aoe flinch vs 60% ST flinch

[low coral]

Eh, idt they're equal, I think Blue's number 1 and Steven's number 2

[hearty cedar]

Different use cases

[low coral]

But Blue isn't relying on it to fix missed quads

[hearty cedar]

Sry mate but I dont see such a difference between them that I'd put them that apart

[low coral]

I do, not really trying to convince you specifically

Since I do think Steven's quite strong regardless

[hearty cedar]

Fair but steven is also more offensive than blue so we can just simulate head starts and adrenalines with his flinch proc which has a higher chance of proc than blue's. Like I said, different use cases

[stable storm]

Blue also has status healing

[river prawn]

I like that he is packing a punch himself

[warm haven]

Steven has problems with enemies that buff their offenses too

Is not that big but it's still a downside

[low coral]

Or that can debuff your team's defenses

Since his is limited, unlike Blue's

[stable storm]

Steven's defense buffing is also capped at+8

[hearty cedar]

The advantage that blue has over steven is that blue has rats while steven only has ss lear

[stable storm]

Steven also has better stat buffing and debuffing

[hearty cedar]

More than enough. Blue only has -2

[stable storm]

aside from def and sp def drops

[warm haven]

Rats need blue more than blue needs rats

[stable storm]

no?blue has infinite buffing

[low coral]

I think mostly Ash need the other two

[hearty cedar]

Sry I thought you meant debuffing

[warm haven]

Yeah

[low coral]

Red and Blue both have plenty of clears without each other and even more together

[river prawn]

I do think Cynthia/Steven will be a strong core

[stable storm]

even attack debuffing blue is better

[hearty cedar]

We all know that steven will have clears too. It's just a matter of time. This is just a convo between who's number 1

[warm haven]

I could agree blue being better but not Rosa at least

[river prawn]

Definitely not Rosa

[low coral]

I was talking with Khaku on that part, about who needs each other

[hearty cedar]

Eh, -4 aoe and infinite on iron head

[low coral]

Yeah, I think Steven's a solid number 2

Even pretty locked

[stable storm]

Yes but it's not aoe permanently

[river prawn]

I think out of all the supports he has the biggest damage

[low coral]

By far

[stable storm]

I mean he isn't even base support so makes sense

[hearty cedar]

Oh easily

Steven doesn't even belong in the supports list

[gentle wharf]

Multi haha

[hearty cedar]

He is a true hybrid and the best at that

[warm haven]

Oh yeah, all by himself he outdamages his base version

[hearty cedar]

This is the 1st time I'm batting for Steven lol, cant believe myself

[gentle wharf]

lol really?

[warm haven]

Almost the same multipliers, he should get more damage if you consider the rebuff

[stable storm]

nah, his main use is a support so who should be in utility

[hearty cedar]

Not including rebuffs and def drops, his dps(which isnt much) is higher than his og but his nuke is lower by a bit. Also nuke is ST compared to his OG that has aoe

[river prawn]

It's 300 vs 160 BP in syncs

[warm haven]

And his sync has full bp

[stable storm]

*more than full bp

[warm haven]

Iirc with mega buff too

[hearty cedar]

We are the ones who'll use him as a support bcuz his bulk is good. This is like a striker with dh+ all but way better. This guy could fit into hybrid category easily

[river prawn]

Yes Multi role is a buff to Megas

[hearty cedar]

Ooh yeah....i forgot

[stable storm]

Yes but how will he primarily be used as

[river prawn]

And 450 defenses are pretty to look at

[hearty cedar]

Thats our choice. I can always use rosa as my support and spam lear and steven

[gentle wharf]

I had to use my NC Rosa as DPS in Rally

[hearty cedar]

Rosa giving pmuns too will buff steven's dps to a respectable level

[gentle wharf]

[stable storm]

I am pretty sure Steven will be doing the tanking there and defense buffing there

[hearty cedar]

She actually works in there

[stable storm]

he's a support who does respectable damage

[warm haven]

I'm gonna tank with base Steven

[hearty cedar]

He can? Absolutely
He has to? No, we have choice

That's the best part with this alt. He can fit into multiple roles

[stable storm]

most people will use him as a support

[warm haven]

Hey actually that would save the queue

[hearty cedar]

Most ppl usage =/= actual role

[stable storm]

it's not a can or has to. It's a how will most people use him since that would be more relevant

[hearty cedar]

Whats with this most ppl stuff lol

Like I said

Rosa is a great option for steven's team where he need to act as a secondary dmg dealer

Why push him into 1 specific role when he gives us multiple options

Even I would use him as a support most of the time but the truth is, he can do other roles too

Not just the support

[stable storm]

yes but his position should be in utility imo. Would be weird seeing him in hybrid since their offensive potential is a lot more than Steven but Steven is a lot more utility based

[hearty cedar]

Units must be judged by their capabilities not by our usage

Our usage patterns have nothing to do with a unit's capabilities and hence they must be judged by their capabilities

[stable storm]

but imagine him sitting beside nc leaf

[hearty cedar]

Then lets just make a new tier for this guy

[stable storm]

multi role only tier list when

[hearty cedar]

Nc.leaf has potions too

Steven and Cynthia are trule multis

Lance is a glorified tech

[warm haven]

Lance is a traditional tech

He got shafted with that atk Stat

[hearty cedar]

No, he most likely has the highest dps among the 3

Atk stat is not everything. Just look at nc.red and nc.cheren

[stable storm]

Lance is a dd

1 hour 20 minutes till we see what has Dena cooked up with the Anni ub

[hearty cedar]

Lance's ex role unlocked atk/sp.atk stat is 434 which is equivalent to Alder's 430 sp.atk without an ex role

Alder still holds up the dmg really well so lance will hit hard af with giga impact and memebeam.

His bmove will be even more stronger btw especially if it has 2 30% multipliers

[snow spruce]

I rate the Arc Trio as Cynthia >= Steven > Lance or Cynthia = Steven > Lance
Cynthia looks insanely super giga broken to me (300 BP spammable b-move with 500+ Atk? on THAT kit? wtf), even more so with Steven together
Lance has the best ST damage yeah (although only having 1 grid sync multiplier and 400+ Atk is eh), but thats basically all he does
his debuffs arent even that impressive IMO, since Cynthia and Steven both also debuff defences quickly (not -6, but -2 AoE per turn)

[hearty cedar]

Same rankings

I'd say cynthia = steven if invested or steven > cynthia if uninvested

[stable storm]

Lance is gonna go crazy when dragon gets an actual proper zone enabler whose zone lasts a while

[hearty cedar]

We just need an unovan dragon wish support now

[stable storm]

drayden pls

[warm haven]

I would still put Steven above, he's good as a support as a tech and as a DD

[hearty cedar]

Cynthia has def debuff? On her bmove?

[gentle wharf]

Oh wait Cynthia and Steven also debuffs defenses?

[warm haven]

Yes

[gentle wharf]

Kinda stepping on Lance’s toes there lol

[hearty cedar]

Truly a unit that can do everything....except sprint and field....

[warm haven]

You could argue that rebuff works as a steel zone

[stable storm]

and no circle

[gentle wharf]

Well not exactly

[hearty cedar]

Steven with his bmove(-2 def and sp.def per hit) which is 3 uses but can get 4 uses with the grid

[gentle wharf]

Since some battles do want an actual zone haha

[warm haven]

Yeah

[hearty cedar]

Arc steven + anni steven + hoenn phys circle that doesnt clown with any weather will be a great team /cope

[snow spruce]

Cynthia has -1 defences on her 300 BP B-move - and then Also Defence Crush 9 on top of that lmao

[hearty cedar]

All 3 should just be maintained at 1/5 dont candy these units

Although I must say candying steven for the potion stuff can be huge

[snow spruce]

Steven is definitely the best at 1/5, as supports usually are. at 5/5 I would put Cynthia as #1 of the trio

[hearty cedar]

Infinite zone and sand will be a staple in this game as long as it exists

Ultimate ground enabler except for maxie

[low coral]

I rank pretty solidly Cynthia > Steven > Lance

[snow spruce]

they even gave Cynthia speed debuffs too, how nice of them

[low coral]

As I find Cynthia a contender for number 1 unit in the game alongside the masters for Blue and Red

While, as I said before, Steven is more so number 2 Support for me

[stable storm]

Cynthia (invested)>Steven>Lance(invested>Cynthia (uninvested)>Lance (uninvested)

I feel bad for Rika tbh

outclassed as a ground zoner in a few months

and no chance of coming back as Cynthia as infinite ground zone

[snow spruce]

yea Cynthia so good that she has no real use for either Rika or SC Lyra

[low coral]

Kinda Roxanne too, since there's no motivation to run her when you got Cynthia

[stable storm]

Any chance for leaf to be in optimal water comps btw

[low coral]

Well, she might synergize better with KriSS

[snow spruce]

yes she doesnt even need Foxanne tbh - has 50% trap on grid (+ sand tomb), has def debuffs, has speed debuffs..

[stable storm]

if even for only 1 ub

[low coral]

But Dahlia is hard to beat in her case

Since Leaf covers physical Defense

[stable storm]

has very high value nuke

[hearty cedar]

I'd say cynthia is the number 1 enabler in the game(for ground types atleast but thats her purpose)

Steven is number 1 support/multi(i truly believe he should be a hybrid) or atleast shares the number 1 spot with blue

Lance....poor lance is like ubers DD but not that dominant as red or cheren

[loud adder]

She's definitely a great partner for KriSS. I feel like I could actually beat Anabel now with them and NC Leaf.

[stable storm]

tbf dragon doesn't have great enablers rn

[hearty cedar]

Unfortunately true but hey, roxxane can still be run for dps when the sides die. Maxie is useless outside sun

[low coral]

?

Maxie's sunless DPS is higher than Roxanne's

[warm haven]

he's not useless at all lol

[hearty cedar]

Literally 1 support away from being great. We are almost there

[low coral]

And he provides more damage to Cynthia on top of it

[snow spruce]

also Cynthia gets 4 PMUN after every sync.
and Mega with no tax
and SEUN and +50% sync on her TM
and +30% to sync after every attack if enemies are trapped (so total +90% for 3 turns)
just LOL

[gentle wharf]

Oh man Arc Suit Maxie with Primal Groudon lol

[hearty cedar]

Wut....its been a while since I saw his dps so maybe I was wrong

[river prawn]

Arc Steven, Arc Cynthia, Maxie comp real

[stable storm]

can't wait to see her dc scores tbh

[low coral]

Maxie's DPS is pretty high even for today's standards

[warm haven]

that's why they were saving them...

[river prawn]

You do have some nice passive stacking there

[hearty cedar]

Maxie and Roxxane out of ground comps....feels weird to hear

Cynthia doesnt protect allies from sand chip right?

[loud adder]

Nope

[stable storm]

grid

4/5 iirc

[river prawn]

No it's not 4/5

It's a "normal" grid node

[snow spruce]

she does, 4/5 grid

[stable storm]

what move level is the tile

[boreal abyss]

I thought it was a 3/5 node lmao

But she has it somewhere yeah

[river prawn]

Wait there are more tiles that are locked and not just the 0 energy ones

At 4/5 and 5/5

[snow spruce]

It feels like Cynthia has ~everything except Atk/SpAtk debuffs and status

[low coral]

Maxie still is a solid choice

Like, he's worse than Adaman, Variety Gio, and maybe SS Gio

But even SS Gio is debatable

[stable storm]

Lando t support with incredible defense buffs, healing, attack and special attack debuffs and burn with sandsear storm

[loud adder]

3/5 actually. Just looked.

[river prawn]

Hmm the gauge though?

[stable storm]

also team fmn every attack

[stable storm]

unrelated but this grid looks really pretty

1 hour till ub details probably

[loud adder]

Dragon weak possibly?

[hearty cedar]

Using adaman with burn dmg and sand chip will be annoying unless arc cynthia picks up that 4/5 tile

[final yacht]

Sorry ghost

[snow spruce]

Its 3/5 not 4/5. for team sand immunity

[low coral]

Adaman gets stronger the less HP he has

You can use it to your advantage

And, if you go Steven, you already have some regen ticks when he's hit alongside Potion from Adaman and Steven

[hearty cedar]

Could be fairy weak since they have sp.atk debuffs, sp.def debuffs with penny and atk debuffs with wally

The only reason I believe this is dragon is bcuz lance is here

[hearty cedar]

That's the plan for now

[snow spruce]

its most likely Dragon weak and made for Lance

IMO

[north sand]

what site is that

[hearty cedar]

Also, 1 endure means it could be a handicap for nate's bmove which usually stacks

[snow spruce]

http://pokemon.brybry.ch/masters/duo.html?pair=10091900000#

[north sand]

ah ty

[final yacht]

Very probable

[stable storm]

FINALLY an ub with only 1 endure

[final yacht]

I hope it's a simple stage
I dont necessarily want something like Lucy but the stuff we got recently sucks

[hearty cedar]

Team sandstorm immunity is 3/5 lol not 4/5

[snow spruce]

yup

[hearty cedar]

Looks at anabel having 1M dmg

[stable storm]

Hopefully this latios is pretty latiass in terms of difficulty

[final yacht]

Would've been better if it was 4/5 because it would've been free

[hearty cedar]

Move candies be like

[loud adder]

The 4/5 and 5/5 tiles require 0 energy?

[hearty cedar]

Yes

[loud adder]

Nice!

[gentle wharf]

Holy crap

[loud adder]

Highly doubt I'll be 5/5-ing any of them but still nice!

[hearty cedar]

1/5 is as far as I'll go

Maybe except for steven

[snow spruce]

wait Cynthia only has 2 tiles at 4-5/5 ?
-S-Move: Physical Boost ↑2 9
-Dust Kicker
only these .. everything else is 3/5
Thats kinda ok.

[hearty cedar]

But steven will have to wait until I candy my Alder and future N

Thankfully, most of their greatness is in the base kit itself

[stable storm]

dusk kicker is kinda bug

[hearty cedar]

Not needed for now. Maybe in the future

[low coral]

One thing that I think is gonna be fairly important is if Cynthia extends 3 or 5

[hearty cedar]

3 isnt gonna be enough

[low coral]

Since 3 might mean she doesn't get to sync under sand and zone if she relies on Dust Kicker

[hearty cedar]

I'm pretty sure dena knows this....i hope

[low coral]

Since you got her B, maybe a partner B like Adaman, regen ticks, trap ticks, sand ticks

Stuff like Steven also brings more ticks

[hearty cedar]

5 should be the minimum

[river prawn]

Minimum?

That implies it can be more

[snow spruce]

yeah 3 might not be enough especially with trap. Hopefully its 5
but the manual SS does help here too

[hearty cedar]

Ss roxie and ss piers can have 7 with their grid

[river prawn]

But not in same passive

[low coral]

Roxie and Piers are also far worse at setting them

Cynthia is a good setter

[hearty cedar]

Yeah but there's a precedence of 1 unit having that much extension

[low coral]

One of the best even

[snow spruce]

Triage Tank 9 Restores the user’s HP when it is hit by an attack move.
i dislike this passive 😦

[low coral]

On demand and on all syncs on a Sync Move you actually wanna spam

[hearty cedar]

I'd say she's the best setter if she has an extension of minimum 5

[hearty cedar]

It's actually great on sc.lillie. It'll be awesome on steven

[gentle wharf]

Oh we don’t know how long her extension is?

[snow spruce]

but how ? it ruins quad queue and eats time too. He doesnt even need that healing and its not even team healing

[hearty cedar]

We expect it to be extension 5

[snow spruce]

SST Reds had no number, but it was 5
Red’s Fighting Spirit
Extends the duration of Electric Terrain when the terrain turns into Electric Terrain while the user is on the field. Quickly charges the move gauge when the terrain is Electric Terrain. Restores the user’s HP whenever its Pokémon takes an action when the terrain is Electric Terrain.

[low coral]

Yeah, the ideal would be Team Fist Bump 9 instead

Although it probably wouldn't be 9 if it was Fist Bump

[river prawn]

Doesn't Chase have that

[hearty cedar]

Fist bump is hit or get hit? I often get confused between these 2

[river prawn]

Basically

Get hit

No fist bump is hit

[hearty cedar]

Ye chase does

[river prawn]

But his triage tank is get hit

[low coral]

Yes, but Chase has reliable accel

Steven has RNG flinch when the stage even allows for it and the enemy is not using a TM

[craggy wind]

Excuse me who greenlit this Defense Destroyer Mind Breaker

[final yacht]

it's a joke

[hearty cedar]

Wtaf

1.5M

[final yacht]

IT'S A JOKE

STOP

Mind Breaker isnt even a real passive guys chill

[hearty cedar]

I was kidding when I said "looks at 1 endure but 1M hp anabel ub"

[craggy wind]

5K OFFRNSES?

[final yacht]

ok i quit

[hearty cedar]

Oh thank god

[final yacht]

wonder if she'll have the mega

[hearty cedar]

She might....

We'll kill her pre sync trust

I'm expecting 550k hp max on this ub

[paper mural]

I'm coping ArLance's bmove has absurd high innate.
It's one use so it's almost certainly at least 2x, but considering Ash's bmove and his condition I think maybe 3x or more.

[hearty cedar]

Maybe not as much as ash's but it'll certainly be op

I'm expecting 2 30% multipliers on it

In comparison, ss gladion's bmove multiplier is also 30% iirc

[river prawn]

Why just 30%

[snow spruce]

its funny that they didnt give Lances 1-time B-move as high as BP as Ash had 2 years ago..
480 (Ash) vs 360 (Lance)

[river prawn]

I expect like ×2 at least

[hearty cedar]

Not just 30%, 2 30%'s

[river prawn]

I mean that is still "only" 60%

Other 1 MP b moves with innate have much more

[hearty cedar]

Ash is a literal plot armor unit. No one else should be like that

[snow spruce]

Doesnt Ash have like 240% at 6 gauge ?

and Ash also has over 500 SpAtk

[hearty cedar]

I'm just expecting that much. We'll know on 1st September. I'm just low balling the multiplier

[hearty cedar]

Yes

[snow spruce]

tbh Lance might lose to Ashes B-move damage, but he has the higher ST sync at least

[hearty cedar]

Oh he will for sure

Ash's bmove is stronger than almost all tech nukes

[paper mural]

Like I said, I'm coping ArLance's bmove innate at worst is 2x but at best match Ash's.

[stable storm]

ss glad b move is 150%

25% per special attack drop

[paper mural]

Btw og Nemona's bmove has 4x innate, tho its base bp is 120.

[stable storm]

I think Lance will have something similar but 12.5% per stat drop because he has both def and sp def scaling

[snow spruce]

Well lance has his own rebuffs, so theres that . But with Nc blue it doesnt matter I guess

[hearty cedar]

Nate + lance will be crazy

[stable storm]

there's a reason ss glad is so high