Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

[fast pendant]

not valuing debuffs is very weird for someoen that has mina that high

[snow spruce]

Without weather they will still need to swap the poison support out for Mina or someone else on some UBs

[fast pendant]

all mian teams are highly dependable on debuffs

[low coral]

Well, it's no coincidence that Mina specifically slots with teams that do have access to offensive debuffs

[snow spruce]

Which shows how easy it is to get them from your dps

[fast pendant]

not really, but ok

that's not the point, you said you don't value them, but the teams only work 'cause of them

[snow spruce]

I mean she did it on four different types

[boreal abyss]

actually got close extremely to win anabel with nc blue nc cheren anni steven, i should put some ls on blue and maybe steven at this point? no idea but it looks ok to go tbh

gotta play it better

but it's very fun

[warm haven]

well yeah, debuffs are a very common trait of techs so the support not having isnt the end of the world.

[fast pendant]

wtz is also very common in techs, but supps having them is extremely wanted to have more uses and control

same goes for debuffs

[warm haven]

iirc Tosakinto said that they'll wait until steven gets his role to try that

[snow spruce]

I dont value them as high on the supports. Since its so easy to get from dps and you have 2 dps slots. And they are only essential gimmicks on Anabel and Nita (speed) .. and Lucy too ? (speed). But Lucy is a meme anyway

[low coral]

It shouldn't need EXR at all

[boreal abyss]

it can be totally done without

[low coral]

It looks very beatable atm

[boreal abyss]

i need to remind myself how i did survive when i used tred

[paper mural]

Coping with a meta flying support to make that team good without NCBlue

[hearty cedar]

Can understand why you think of that. I believe all of our love for ss mina comes from the awe of seeing multiple comps clearing all the ubs with the same team

For ppl who value that its no wonder ppl would call her the best

But ppl on the other isle who wants to truly know the best one has no qualms about using multiple units/team comps to identify strengths and weaknesses in the pursuit of consistency

Not saying one is better than the other but its a pick and choose problem.

But objectively speakings without any awe for any units, blue's and rosa's ability to allow a wide range of units have a shot of clearing ubs is superior

[fast pendant]

your supp having debuffs can allow for better grid use from your other units, increase your early dmg, not use filler moves early on

[boreal abyss]

i wish

[snow spruce]

actually you should probably EXPECT debuffs on new Techs and even on some strikers/field pairs nowadays. Its that common

[hearty cedar]

Thats why I hate what avery got. He could have been a poison zone support with hail but nope he had to be something different

[fast pendant]

fairy for instance has atk debuff capped at -4 with wally

they would love havign more atk debuffs

[low coral]

I mean, weather is also not rare from other units

[warm haven]

yeah but weather is not common for all types

[hearty cedar]

I'll admit it, if anni steven had like 400+ atk stat, he'd be one of the coveted strikers in the entire game thanks to his weather wipe 9. Dena reaaaaly shafted him

[warm haven]

you have to slot weird things to get rid of the weather if you're not using mina

[hearty cedar]

Which nita offsets after sync so its a bit of a pain

[low coral]

Like, if I had to rate their matchups, there's very few I would say Mina is a more valuable support to have than Blue

Mainly on Noland

[snow spruce]

I mean NC Bianca and Summer Gardenia got strong debuffs .. they arent even techs lol

[warm haven]

i would put palmer too

[low coral]

Palmer I think either is pretty average

[hearty cedar]

Nope, not on palmer

[warm haven]

blue basically depends on Ash to beat palmer

[snow spruce]

SC irida (Striker) had very strong Atk debuffs
etc.

[warm haven]

or red + silver

[low coral]

Well, Blue supports most electrics

[warm haven]

but what is this thing

[hearty cedar]

If blue is just defensive against palmer then how is mina anything different against palmer except for fairy comps? Blue is offensive against palmer for electric comps so that it balances out

[low coral]

They're neither high value supports for Palmer

[warm haven]

mina gives crit shield + team protect, that lets many teams survive the max move

she can remove normal zone too

[hearty cedar]

Atleast blue can still have +2 smun and 20% additive nuke boost against palmer

[low coral]

If you wanna a high value support on Palmer, that would be Rosa or Chase

[hearty cedar]

Ok, but blue lets you beat the stage before palmer's sync. Tbh neither are that great against palmer

[hearty cedar]

Even ssac

[paper mural]

Yes a lot of strat for SS Mina helping the team to beat Palmer is about surviving the max move.

[warm haven]

no, ash does

[snow spruce]

any Sprint support is value on Palmer.
But allowing to survive max move is the second best strat - and Mina does that at least
Blue is almost dead weight on palmer on non-electric teams

[hearty cedar]

Did this debate start from devaluing ss mina? Or from overrating her?

[paper mural]

It especially helps when your striker just cannot do it pre sync.

[low coral]

From saying Mina is the top 1 overall support on UB

[hearty cedar]

Ooh

[hearty cedar]

So, blue > rosa > chase > ss mina, how does this sound

[snow spruce]

I mean if not top 1 then Mina at least has to be top 2-3 IMHO

[warm haven]

yeah

[hearty cedar]

She could be

[low coral]

Well, she's for sure one of the top ones, yes

[hearty cedar]

Like I said, ss mina is no slouch

[low coral]

But I wouldn't go 1st

[hearty cedar]

She's just not THE best

[low coral]

It can change depending on what you value

Chase is always a high value support when he shows up, but he shows up less, for example

[hearty cedar]

We meme the electric team that rats carry a lot in ubs. But nc.blue plays an equal amount of role

Cant be said the same to ss mina in few comps such as flying. Cheren HARD carries the flying comp. Mina and skyla are nowhere near as important as cheren in that comp

So mina's effective team comps falls to 2, fairy and poison

[boreal abyss]

i justn ate a 2nd anabel sync with steven stone

i am cooking

[low coral]

But I find really hard to compete with Blue as a UB support overall

Even with a wide variety of arguments

[boreal abyss]

i found the way of doing it

[warm haven]

well if mina is not the best i could agree that she's the most versatil. She has better tools for the weather UBs palmer and noland

[stone scarab]

This might just be the hypest moment in poma history

[hearty cedar]

Dabbo:- anni steven spammer
Me:- nc.nate spammer
Ropal:- clears with ss N

Shout out to us clearing with units that were not received positively by a lot of ppl during their debut

[boreal abyss]

😂

[warm haven]

Blue when used does make the UB a breeze

[paper mural]

Rats carry a lot in UB is a misunderstanding about the team anyway. It's always NC Blue + SST Red carrying with Ash tagging around, except Palmer.

[hearty cedar]

Atleast I'm using the best one out of the three

[low coral]

Well, I still dislike SS N's kit, I just beat most UBs with him because I like him and his theme

Theme, not kit

[final yacht]

Me: Palme- ah no he's too bad for that

[low coral]

I think Palmer's potential decently improved with Anabel

I think there's more to do with him than what's currently shown

[warm haven]

me with sst red

[fast pendant]

I agree that she has a lot of tools, which helps to have more units to complete, I don't see her as direct counter or working by herself, 'cause what you can see is that those teams that work with her are also extremely invested

[hearty cedar]

Upload his clears so other ss N users can enjoy it. There are a good chunk of ppl who tell me that they dont understand the hate he gets despite dealing great dmg(yes they invested candies in him). Would also surprise a lot of folks

[final yacht]

it sure did
but then that team has a big gauge issue, and you're lacking gimmick counters, your 3rd has to do a lot

[hearty cedar]

Lol

[hearty cedar]

Nah we still believe in palmer

[low coral]

I'm more dedicated to Ice-type in general, although I need more Silver copies

[warm haven]

ah wait i didnt read it all

then give me grusha

[low coral]

I could be on Psychic since it's my most invested roster in theory, but I don't like too much how Psychic plays

[hearty cedar]

I was more dedicated to fire comps till I started using nc.nate...DAMN YOU Nita

[final yacht]

at least your types are good minasmile

[hearty cedar]

I'm pretty sure gio can be beaten by nc.blue, sstr and nc.nate with some luck to ignore those acc debuffs, i mean he only needs to ignore it once every sync cycle

[warm haven]

fire is dena's least favorite kid

[paper mural]

Palmer has Darach and Noland clear is already impressive to me.
Grip DPS drop is just a nightmare in UBs.

[low coral]

I think Psychic actually currently ranks kinda average when looking at the top comps

[final yacht]

wait darach?

UH

[hearty cedar]

Normal is always shafted. They made stoutland, one of the proud normal type dmg dealers into a non-dmg dealer TWICE

[low coral]

Actually, nvm, my Fighting is probably the best

[warm haven]

doesnt nate have impervious?

[final yacht]

I mean

I'm not too surprised, I had the idea myself
But damn

[low coral]

I just disliked old Fighting, but I think Bianca is a nice addition

Still wish for some Fighting Zone extension though

[hearty cedar]

Waaaait I forgot about it

[final yacht]

bloodmoon ursaluna trust

[boreal abyss]

i gotta give more tries whenever i am free in the next days but this is doable

[warm haven]

support/striker to be paired with adaman

[low coral]

And I'm also a Grass-team enjoyer

But sun and Fire weakness is pretty limiting for high streaks

[final yacht]

technically argenta too, but like, he's just here because he got an aoe nuke to clear sides

[low coral]

But hey, I got non-super effective, non-NC Cheren clear on Nita with them at least

[hearty cedar]

Technically speaking, Nita is the only ub that nc.nate cant clear as of now, he could try with ss morty and nc.cheren but it could be a bad experience

I wish anni would have something that allows him to absolutely demolish that stage and laugh at nita

[hearty cedar]

That is truly an achievement against nita. Its plain annoying to use those kind of comps against her

[warm haven]

trust in the rain+dragon zone support Ultimate Lance

[low coral]

Yeah, it's pretty miserable

[final yacht]

you guys beat nita?

[low coral]

I would actually see a MF Diantha fitting that

Since Goodra is a very easy slot for it

[final yacht]

bro wants the goodra mf so bad

[hearty cedar]

Nita's stage is not just difficult, its absolutely annoying to the point where it becomes miserable to try out new stuff

[low coral]

Dragon deserves it

[hearty cedar]

We'll take it

[warm haven]

yeah

[snow spruce]

that would require Diantha to get a masterfair tho

[low coral]

It has been so long since we got new Dragon stuff

[final yacht]

sorry all you get is this #character-concept-crafting message

[low coral]

Nate is more so a physical damage unit than a Dragon one lol

[hearty cedar]

Dragon zone support with dragon wish and great bulk. This would help dragon comps by a lot. If it boosts atk by 4 then c.iris could come back to being usable for offense again

[stone scarab]

Not overly unlikely, tbf

[low coral]

The Dragon core still is the one that arrived on 2.5 anni

[warm haven]

i have the hopium that at least one future paradox will have rain + ET

[stone scarab]

Diantha's been treated reasonably well in poma

[low coral]

It just got insanely ahead of everyone else when Lucas + Zerena came out, and then never got anything else

[hearty cedar]

This is actually good. Just not for the dragon types

[low coral]

Except minor buffs like Aura Cynthia being a decent support with them

[warm haven]

lol true, when dragon dominated everything and now it's just mid

[paper mural]

Or just a dragon support with better bulk on both physical and special side is gonna make it look good.

[hearty cedar]

True. I used nate + lucas against darach and yes my lucas is 5/5. The run felt miserable

Imagine having an unfun run against darach

[warm haven]

did you tried with support rolex lucas?

[hearty cedar]

Nope

[low coral]

Nate is better abusing strong physical damage cores than trying to go with Dragon cores

[warm haven]

i beat darach with leon alt + rolex lucas easily

[hearty cedar]

I tried this on 3 separate occasions and I couldn't have fun even once

[low coral]

It's a far better synergy with NC Bianca than any Dragon

[hearty cedar]

Hate to say it but he works much much better with sstr and nc.leaf(i dont have alt.leon but he's probably better)

If I truly want a special partner then greninja/serena might be the best option(this is pre cheren)

[low coral]

I have to get EXR Lucas still, I can probably make an Argenta clear more viable that way

[hearty cedar]

So true. He gets insanely boosted with bianca

[final yacht]

society if lucas got field

[snow spruce]

Lucas needed strike for DC 3v3 .. otherwise Support is ok for him
he never needed Field

[hearty cedar]

Eh. His partner nate already has it and he himself has extension. Zerena users will prefer nate getting strike as well considering it could help against ub's sides

[stone scarab]

Field would be better than support is realistically

[snow spruce]

Adaman is the one who would go bonkers with Field

[hearty cedar]

Lucas with field wouldnt be as good as lucas with strike or even sprint

[final yacht]

no way adaman gets field

[low coral]

Lucas needed a side expansion with +40 SpA

[final yacht]

imo he gets sprint, i dont see him getting anything else

[low coral]

Sub-400 SpA makes Lucas hit weirdly weak considering the BP and multipliers he has

[hearty cedar]

Yes sir. He deserves field. But lets be honest dena would give him strike if they are in a celebratory mood or sprint if they are drunk

[stone scarab]

Watch him get support just to spite everyone

[fast pendant]

Adaman gets good use out of any

strike is clearly the strongest 'tho

[hearty cedar]

I'm literally waiting every month for dena to do this for anni N and somehow they are rerunning every masterfair before him

[warm haven]

irida is getting field and adaman sprint

[snow spruce]

Adaman = Diamond clan = Time = Sprint
GG

[final yacht]

strike is too strong, field is too strong, support doesn't make sense
at least he's got sprint components on his TM, and that lets him use solar flare without needing an ally to reapply sun or sun extension

[low coral]

But Adaman has extension himself

[final yacht]

i don't want sprint on him, i just feel like it makes the most sense

on grid, you could just avoid it

[warm haven]

but i'd prefer field to no having to use accerola

[low coral]

Idt you get much by dropping it

[stone scarab]

Sprint makes sense from a thematic standpoint but like

[hearty cedar]

Um, field adaman would set GT, not sun

[final yacht]

yes?

i dont see your point

[low coral]

Adaman's grid has always been pretty well rounded

[paper mural]

Yes the exr of Adaman would highly depend on how strong Dena want it to be

[hearty cedar]

Then why do you make adaman worse by dropping his sun extension? It'll make you use a sun support

[final yacht]

im saying that if he gets sprint you could drop the sun extension

[hearty cedar]

Drunk dena could always give support

[final yacht]

not necessarily want to, just could

[snow spruce]

sun extension is a must for him IMO. I never drop it in any mode

[final yacht]

gauntlet against moltres

[fast pendant]

I would prefer supp over sprint or field

[hearty cedar]

For adaman?

[fast pendant]

yes

[distant estuary]

Why the fuck does giovanni uses his TM pre first sync???

[hearty cedar]

Damn thats a hot take

[stone scarab]

Its when you hit 80%

[hearty cedar]

I assume you killed off his sides too fast?

[snow spruce]

for Adaman: Strike/Field > Supp > Sprint.
For UBs I would probably take Field .. for DC 3v1 - also Field .. for DC 3v3 - Strike

[distant estuary]

Nope

[distant estuary]

Really? BRUH

[fast pendant]

is it? field doesn't directly fix anything, it's still 3 uses of gt max without acerola

[warm haven]

I can see a support adaman, he gets the first sync and maintains the sun

[hearty cedar]

Rip nc.calem. What a waste of potential

[fast pendant]

but realistically 2 'cause you don't want to sync with red

sprint is just inferior to supp in every way

[distant estuary]

Grrr... I was trying to min max attack to deal more dmg but it turns out it's bad

PUKE

[low coral]

It's an extra extended Field

[snow spruce]

switchable EX roles when ?

[hearty cedar]

Its like doubling down on adaman's insane self sufficiency ability

[low coral]

I think it would work nicely

[fast pendant]

you need a new grass setter for adaman regardless what he gets

[hearty cedar]

We love to see it

[low coral]

Since I do tend to Sync with Red once currently

[fast pendant]

to keep up with current units

[warm haven]

Me with my striker lucas powercreeping serena

[hearty cedar]

It'd have been great if mix red was physical

[paper mural]

I worded it poorly. What I mean was support ex on base tech is generally their way to avoid a broken shit tech-striker unit.

[hearty cedar]

Most of us would remove sprint ex roles from strikers and techs and use strike/tech ex roles on them lol

[snow spruce]

Field would give him grassy terrain for 2 syncs + change .. thats already enough to consider dropping SS acerola IMO (if you want another support - usually against special damage)

[final yacht]

all tech get strike or field depending on content, all strike get tech or field, all supp get sprint or field

[fast pendant]

Field is a pit stop, will improve momentarily but won't get that far

[warm haven]

Yeah same

[hearty cedar]

Oh that's true. Tech + strike (or) strike + tech is too busted on any GREAT unit. But that combo sucks or its just mediocre on others like rose and maybe candice

[warm haven]

Saw a clear vs argenta where Acerola synced more than once and I died

[hearty cedar]

But sometimes that momentary powerup will allow enough flexibility with team comps to bypass certain tactics

[warm haven]

With field red has 2 syncs and adaman 3, that's a long time

[hearty cedar]

Field ex role can almost never go wrong

[paper mural]

Maybe they use better skill gears to help surviving?

[fast pendant]

I find field ex role extremely weak for dmg dealers

you will get powercrept sooner

[hearty cedar]

It needs to be accompanied by a great nuker thats for sure

[fast pendant]

it's a role that someoen will surely fill later on

[warm haven]

Adaman would have both rebuff and GT so idt that's easy to powercreep

[hearty cedar]

Before ex roles, I was an avid "dont sync with supports" guy. Glad they brought ex roles into existence

[paper mural]

Ex tech on striker is also kinda the case tho.

[low coral]

Idt Adaman is an easy powercreep atm in general

[fast pendant]

it's really not

[low coral]

But Rebuff with Field EXR alone idt is that big either, even if it's a good combination

[final yacht]

if he gets strike, grass is solved for the next years lmao

[hearty cedar]

Its not much of "powercreep" but more of an "abilitycreep". Adaman is too good for grass comps

[low coral]

I think Field EXR fits better on units that can further carry the need of WTZ themselves

Like Red and Diantha

[warm haven]

Yeah

[final yacht]

red is base field, not r unless you mean sst

[low coral]

So that the others don't worry about it at all

Yeah, I meant Tbolt

[hearty cedar]

I'm inherently biased to say nate as well nate without the field ex would be so bad

[low coral]

Mix is a good unit, but I think Tbolt pulls the Field role better than Mix himself

[warm haven]

Yeah

[paper mural]

I mean if they're willing to make every type a really good tech + ex striker, then striker + ex tech just don't have any chance.

[fast pendant]

nate would be miles better with tech

[hearty cedar]

His nuke is already one of the strongest aoe nukes tho

[fast pendant]

honestly, I think field in the curretn scenario is the weakest for him

[hearty cedar]

1.5x dmg multiplier on top of circle in ultimate battles is a godsend for him when I cant use lucas with him. Dragon comp needs a lot of power atm

[low coral]

Well, it all depends, Tech just tends to have an advantage due to the usual way they're handled

[fast pendant]

he still needs lucas

so it's just a waste to have field

[low coral]

But stuff like NC Red and (if he had Tech EX) NC Nate would still easily compete on the nuke slots with the opposite roles

[hearty cedar]

In ubs? Hell no. Lucas makes using nate actually unfun(i dont even know if thats a real word)

[low coral]

Since those have more passive multipliers than usual

[fast pendant]

well yes because lucas doesn't bring enough by himself and nate lacks the time to be single setter

[low coral]

Even on Ghost, Irida is a superior nuke to Cynthia

[hearty cedar]

I think we had this conversation back then didnt we? About how much nate's nuke is compared to non-caked nc.red

[fast pendant]

any other role would allow nate to have better dmg or sync faster

[hearty cedar]

I think thats just devaluing field ex role

[fast pendant]

well I do think its a bad ex role for most of the time

[paper mural]

It's bc her nuke is easier to setup or is it really higher?

[fast pendant]

unless as ropalme said you're the primary setter

[hearty cedar]

Nate wouldn't be able to clear even half of the ubs he cleared without the field ex bcuz it also has to do with his dps. I had to devise the timings of using his zone to get through few ubs

[snow spruce]

? no, Cynthias sync is stronger. Tech + Strike > Strike + tech (+ her own zone)
in fact in Ghost 3v3 DC Cynthia got almost 2x higher score than Irida (4.1 M vs 2.1M). Though that mode has its specifics
Irida has soften-up 1, but otherwise Cynthias does more

[hearty cedar]

Higher

I'd say ssrc's nuke is easier to setup

[low coral]

Yes, because of Ghost Zone

[hearty cedar]

Bcuz ghost zone is just 1 click away

[low coral]

DC should never be used for such comparisons lol

[hearty cedar]

Imho, DC is the 2nd worst type of content after the prestige

[low coral]

Soften Up is quite a big deal for an AoE nuke you want to spam on most battles

[hearty cedar]

I'd disagree except on DC events. Maybe I'm just lucky 95% of the time

[boreal abyss]

one flinch away from the clear, it's happening

it's so real and close

[hearty cedar]

I do miss critting someone rarely but thats a rare occurrence for me

[boreal abyss]

i can taste it

rawr

[snow spruce]

even when Irida has ghost zone - Cynthia would still do more (if both fully maxed), though not by a lot. I remember doing the calcs when Irida came out.
How would she beat Cynthia without the innate Tech multiplier?
But overall yes - some Strike+Techs do come close to Tech+Striker nukers. NC Red, NC Nate, SC irida and a few more IIRC

[hearty cedar]

Gio?

[boreal abyss]

anabel with blue cheren steven

[hearty cedar]

Oooh

Noice

[boreal abyss]

one flinch away

fuckin hell

[low coral]

Because damage is not everything for a nuke to be good

[hearty cedar]

30% chance

[boreal abyss]

sadge

[hearty cedar]

Prime example of cheren vs skyla nuke

[low coral]

Unless you wanna argue Alt Iris has a top tier nuke to this day

[hearty cedar]

Also, who told ppl that skyla nukes higher than cheren? Thats simply untrue or did I miss something?

[arctic bridge]

hellooo there are a few difficult fights up rn that give candy which i would like to clear. would someone be down to help me? i tried beating them myself but my game knowledge isnt soo good yet what pair might help me clear it

[hearty cedar]

Well, she actually does its not just usable atm

[hearty cedar]

What's the stage?

[snow spruce]

C.iris would be a "top-tier" nuker still now .. IF she had gotten Strike

[low coral]

She's not a top tier single target either, despite the damage potential

[paper mural]

I just checked and no SSRCythia's sync dmg is higher.

[hearty cedar]

@low coral so, how many ubs do you think ss nemona can beat with the roster that exists now(koraidon is not here yet)? Same as nc.nate? Maybe lower than him? He defeated 8 but he can technically beat gio(but no one has done it yet so I'll keep saying 8 for now)

I'm comparing nemona with nate for their similarities even though they are massively different

[arctic bridge]

these 3 @hearty cedar

[snow spruce]

its definitely higher and she has zone too. But no-soften-up 1 and its harder to set up Smarty-Pants on the sidemons .. but on the other hand sidemons have way lower hp, so you just kill them even without Smarty-Pants usually

[arctic bridge]

but i would assume you need my collection as well right?

[hearty cedar]

What units do you have? Like most sinnoh units would have a walk in the park against that cyrus stage

[low coral]

Like, idt there's anyone that would argue it's better to have Iris as a nuker than someone like Oleana

Even pre-EXR

[final yacht]

cyrus should easily be cleared with well, cyrus, as well as any sinnoh pairs that you have to support him, the stage isn't difficult

especially if you got both his ex and power boost from the events

[arctic bridge]

these are my pairs

[low coral]

Well, she can probably win all, but idt she can be the carry for all

[arctic bridge]

i am working on that

😄

[low coral]

Like, she can be a contributor to debuffing Anabel, but she's not shining by herself there

[final yacht]

you can wait for that then to beat him

[hearty cedar]

Nah, she'd be top tier IF AND ONLY IF we get a

Dragon wish support unit thats both bulky and also can buff atk by 4 and crit by 2

That support + cris + nc.bianca will be cris's best team

[hearty cedar]

Hold on, even nita? Like irida carry while stunning nita with blue?

[low coral]

Except maybe Nita, Nita sounds pretty miserable for Nemona

[paper mural]

Yes. That's the main reason I asked is it bc it's easier to setup when someone said SC Irida is a better nuker.

[final yacht]

for nemona you can use your best physical dps and add a dark pair to the team to complete the mission, that stage doesn't have much going on either

wallace i dont remember what you need to do

[hearty cedar]

I tried to kill nita's stage atleast 30 times with nate and it truly is miserable. I'll need some perfect dmg rolls and thats the easiest part. If nate cant do it then I sure as hell dont believe in nemona to win against nita

[paper mural]

In general I view striker + ex tech a lose on strikers which are not the best of their types already.

[true lagoon]

status

healthy advantage

[final yacht]

just that ?

no field stuff ?

[true lagoon]

he does have ghost zone

[final yacht]

like clear advantage or smth

[stone scarab]

he has sentry entry x2 and ghost zone

but zone is easily ignored

[true lagoon]

yea

[low coral]

We just gained Alt Selene

[final yacht]

yeah he's more annoying

[true lagoon]

cuz its only a dps buff

and you can let someone die

[hearty cedar]

Rose, g-darmanitan

[low coral]

Who has an absolutely fantastic nuke that's Strike + Tech EXR

[snow spruce]

beating all 10 UBs with 1 pair - but with 10 different teams doesnt sound THAT hard tbh .. except Nita
each UB has 1-2 hardcarry usually

[final yacht]

wdym, nita has the tech lapras carry

[low coral]

I mean, that goes for Techs that gain Strike EXR too lol

[hearty cedar]

Question:- Is it a hard carry if against anabel ub, serena took care of anabel while nate took care of sides?

[fading walrus]

Well nemona unlike Nate has weather on her own kit

[distant estuary]

Y'all. I beat the Giovanni UB with triple electric team, can finally put it to rest now

[low coral]

It's not like Strike EXR would benefit Irida

[final yacht]

irida wants field so bad

more zone more hail

[true lagoon]

because nc red destroys wtz uptime?

[hearty cedar]

She herself needs a sun support for charging sun 5 so we'll use ss morty with her anyway so its not like her sun is any different than nate not having it against nita

[low coral]

Well, more so that Extension 3 on 3 uses (one on entry) is already pushing it

[final yacht]

i wonder how her hail setting passive would synergise with field r, would it set hail before or after the sync

[low coral]

If anything, NC Red allows for faster clears than most Strikes do

[distant estuary]

This is why I insist it's okay to pull on masterfairs, they help a lot... as for me I gridded SST Red so that I could make his sync a sort of nuke

[low coral]

It should be after

[true lagoon]

hm really?

[hearty cedar]

Ss morty, nc.cheren and nc.nate "may" be able to beat nita but that would be a very very miserable run

[true lagoon]

but doesnt field go before sync

[low coral]

Since it's activated by a passive

[paper mural]

I mean ppl feel ewww on Archie getting ex tech for example, while SS Lysandra getting ex tech is "wow that's the best exr for him".

[true lagoon]

oh

[true lagoon]

i mean it objectively sucks

50% more of garbage is still garbage

[snow spruce]

I hope its before ..

[stone scarab]

i mean, Archie's sync is just bad

[true lagoon]

like

for reference

pre exr archie

[low coral]

I mean, Lysandre's sync is just good

[true lagoon]

gets outnuked by marlon

a 3* support

[low coral]

That's why people are fine with it

[true lagoon]

so

[stone scarab]

and lysandre's sync is quite good

on most characters with syncs that are good, tech ex role is fine

[hearty cedar]

Getting outnuked by one of the top tiers units in the entire game isnt a bad thing

[fading walrus]

Lys sync is usable yeah, and with EXr it reach really respectable ranges

[fast pendant]

archie tech ex role is worse than a lot of supp with tech ex role

[final yacht]

i dont believe that lol

[true lagoon]

surely

[paper mural]

SO ex tech on striker is not always win. It's what all I'm saying.

[true lagoon]

marlon is 1m raw archie pre exr was like 880k

[stone scarab]

they're about on par with each other iirc

[arctic bridge]

sorry for asking but could you maybe help me with the team ? i am still pretty new as i just started playing 2 weeks ago and struggle to know what pair is good etc i am a little low on ressources which is the reason why i ask what to build up

[true lagoon]

its that fucking bad

[final yacht]

oh wait marlon got an innate

nvm

[true lagoon]

yes

that is why

[fast pendant]

it's not always a win, but archie is a very old unit

[true lagoon]

post exr their syncs are on par

[low coral]

Idt anyone argued every Strike should get Tech

[fast pendant]

most new strike have a very good sync

[true lagoon]

but i specifically said pre exr

[hearty cedar]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didnt calem with tech ex role outnuke pre-exr archie?

[true lagoon]

probably

cuz he has an actual attack stat

[low coral]

But we argued that Techs with Strike EXR existing doesn't necessarily make it redundant

[hearty cedar]

0 multipliers tho

[true lagoon]

shower power 3 is barely one

im pretty sure 80 attack can compensate

[low coral]

Techs just tend to have a head start with the standard being they have innates and Strikes don't (although not always)

But they have been loading Strikes with higher passive multipliers more recently

[true lagoon]

oh wait never mind

wow what the fuck

137 both attacks

ok yeah no im wrong on that

lol

[hearty cedar]

The counterpoint to this is the setup. Techs could have ST setups and innates that may not trigger aoe but yes they do have a headstart in general but one could say that strikers just need to have numbers so thats a headstart too

[low coral]

And yeah, Strike setups tend to be more so based on self buffs or field effects

[true lagoon]

would rose really have benefitted from a different exr

[low coral]

While techs more often have debuff based ones

[true lagoon]

like tech seems like it would be the only real option

[hearty cedar]

In the end, tech + strike and strike + tech combos generally depend on how good the base unit is

[fast pendant]

tech was the best for rose

[snow spruce]

Strikers needs a LOT of multipliers to start reaching Tech sync numbers though.
like close to 300%

[true lagoon]

yeah but like would any other role be viable

[low coral]

Which they have been getting, and also Circles

[true lagoon]

maybe field cuz steel zone is still kinda copium but like thats not really that much

[snow spruce]

your average (pokefair or SC) striker has 100-150%

[hearty cedar]

Sprint boosting his speed would have been a godsend. His nuke was always bad to begin with and his aoe goes well with marnie's tech ex

[true lagoon]

i did just get pal marnie 👀

[hearty cedar]

I got her during her debut. Still 1/5 tho. Her nuke is easy to setup

[true lagoon]

yeah i dont doubt it

its pecking order and steel zone right

[fading walrus]

I have her 3/5

Steel power 5 too

[hearty cedar]

3/5 is worth it on her but I'm wait till seasonals start getting ex roles. Strike would be so good on her

[hearty cedar]

Iirc yes

[fading walrus]

3/5 is worthy even just for funny Gloria ramping

Both get HS1 on grid

[true lagoon]

for a 2022 unit she seems super competent

2/5 60% flinch too

[fading walrus]

She's fine

[true lagoon]

although 3 bar

[fading walrus]

Her gauge sucks balls

[low coral]

Red is the best Ice nuke easily, Selene is the best Rock nuke

[fading walrus]

Even when not clicking iron head

But she's fun

[low coral]

Had Adaman gotten Tech, Roxanne wouldn't be as necessary as she is now on Ground

[hearty cedar]

No competition so far

[fading walrus]

Endure + HS1 + enfeeble 3 makes her extremely fun

As bot

And her nuke is solid

[snow spruce]

Selene is better than NC silver?

[fast pendant]

dmg wise

by miles

[true lagoon]

for damage

[fading walrus]

Yeah silver damage isn't monstrous

[true lagoon]

nc silver is like half dps half support

[hearty cedar]

I truly wish white kyurem outclasses nc.red in both dmg and nuke. I just prefer a cooler dragon than that bird

[true lagoon]

cuz he has a bunch of dps buffs in his kit + circle

[fading walrus]

Also extension

And sync cd

[final yacht]

sorry support

[fading walrus]

And light on gauge

[hearty cedar]

Enhancer vs dmg focused unit so yes selene is indeed better for dmg

[low coral]

Don't forget the Noble Roar moveslot

[final yacht]

and piercing blows because a support needs that

[hearty cedar]

I'd say 70% dmg and 30% support. His dmg is still that good

[final yacht]

actually noble roar is a spammable move in dc just saying.....

[hearty cedar]

I'll genuinely quit if they do it once again

[stone scarab]

it's iconic at this point, noble roar gaming

[fading walrus]

Noble roar will be on it

The thing will be

[final yacht]

roaring noble roar

[low coral]

Either too slow on getting to -6 or will force a passive activating

[hearty cedar]

Nah we go back to zekrom days where noble roar doesnt exist

[fading walrus]

After all, it takes nothing for them to turn it into nc leaf leer

If they want to

[final yacht]

1st debuff: sextuple drop
only activates once

[low coral]

But I would honestly take a Support with Noble Roar and Oleana's passive any day

[hearty cedar]

Unova VA gets a bmove but only on one unit

Its b noble roar

[low coral]

I still find Oleana's debuffing to be so incredibly absurd to this day lol

[fading walrus]

Just make it something like NC leaf where the spammable buddy move multiplies the base debuff and noble roar drops 4-5 stats at -1 or 2 stats at -3 and buddy debuffs other stuff

[hearty cedar]

Would be like using nc.blue

[low coral]

AoE -9 stats

[true lagoon]

-18 in 2 actions is ridiculous

[hearty cedar]

It truly is. Goes extremely well with toxic stalling

[paper mural]

White kyurem being a support w noble roar + double (or even triple) drop to help Black kyurem would be thematically fitting!

[true lagoon]

and yeah -9 per venom drench

[fading walrus]

The insane thing was giving the very same unit 2 power plays

[true lagoon]

she even has potent toxin for toxic stall

[low coral]

They also made it very specific so that Oleana couldn't abuse Defense Crush 2 turning into a -3 as well

[hearty cedar]

Or....idk...it could be a dmg dealer with ice wish as well....170 sp.atk getting ignored in favor of support would be sad

[low coral]

Well, Zygarde's 216 HP turned into a Strike

[true lagoon]

wait does dc2 work with status moves?

[true lagoon]

bst means basically nothing

kyogre has like

160?

[hearty cedar]

Good riddance. I have a hateful relationship with that snek atm

[true lagoon]

and has one of the worst attack stats in the entire game

[low coral]

No, but that's why they made it hyper specific

[fading walrus]

Mega Rayquaza:

[true lagoon]

oh yeah

[hearty cedar]

Say no more

[final yacht]

me when the 60/65 def support

[true lagoon]

rayquaza

[shrewd marten]

Look at new

Mew

[hearty cedar]

Hey, its hp stat actually carries its bulk

[fading walrus]

The literal first unit you get in POMA is TANK SERPERIOR WITH SHIT SPEED STAT

[shrewd marten]

Celebi doesn’t have 100 all across board

[warm haven]

Tank lucario

[final yacht]

me when the 70 spa special dps

[shrewd marten]

Neither does victini

[fading walrus]

Lkle

Cmon

[shrewd marten]

Literally nothing about bst matters

[stone scarab]

they tried to do neat things with it for like, Gladion and Oak

[hearty cedar]

Serperior without leaf storm should exist as a unit in this game

[stone scarab]

but then realised it wasnt worth it

ig

[shrewd marten]

Gladion has different

[low coral]

Tbf, it did use to be ran like this

[shrewd marten]

And so does mew

[fading walrus]

Dw it's gonna get regional variant in ZA

[shrewd marten]

The hp not the same

[final yacht]

eh

[low coral]

Oops, not Aero, that's Exca

[stone scarab]

if the HP was the same the characters would be unusable

[fading walrus]

ORAS meta my beloved

[final yacht]

sorry, definitely a support

[hearty cedar]

There's always a risk of it having a similar spread but slightly better offenses but losing contrary which would make it worse

[low coral]

That happens on the main games too

[fading walrus]

Who cares lol

[low coral]

The HP formula is different

[hearty cedar]

LMAO i forgot about this one. This is anni steven before anni steven

[fading walrus]

Hsamurott isn't really op in mainline

[warm haven]

When I started I never tanked with her because I thought she had the Canon stats

[low coral]

But they made Mew have higher stats than Silvally in exchange for an extremely awful HP here

I think Oak gets to like

[hearty cedar]

Its literally in OU. Never dropped once

[low coral]

Exactly 500 when fully maxed

[shrewd marten]

I said that 4 times ;-;

[true lagoon]

huh isnt ceaseless edge one of the dumbest moves ever created

[warm haven]

But a funny thing is giga impact Celestela

[true lagoon]

its damage and spikes

[shrewd marten]

Yes

[true lagoon]

with 50% crit

[shrewd marten]

It’s very good in msg

[true lagoon]

because of course it is

[shrewd marten]

Only because of that move

[final yacht]

please silvally side expansion he really needs it

[shrewd marten]

Yesssss

[fading walrus]

Oh my b I confused with decidueye

[warm haven]

+80 atk for gladion pls

[paper mural]

I also want a better Unova support with quicker offensive debuff for anni N bc now it feels so wrong that the best teammates to setup Anni N's sync is a better nuker than him.

[true lagoon]

i thought all hisui starters were pretty solid

[low coral]

On day 1, I thought Tyranitar would be good

[fading walrus]

Decidueye is not really good last I checked

[stone scarab]

i think that's a pretty common thing tbf

[hearty cedar]

They removed the crit rate from it. But they gave the mon sharpness which boosts all cutting/slicing moves by 50%(same as the crit multiplier) and yes ceaseless edge is a slicing move

[shrewd marten]

Hdeci is sadly not very good in singles

Luckily htyphlo is just like him

[final yacht]

hey, it duos moltres with an eevee minasmile

[true lagoon]

:A:

[stone scarab]

it has a niche in the newest VGC format or something, but like

[shrewd marten]

He does

I’m proud of him for it

[fading walrus]

Yeah samurott was the blessed child

[hearty cedar]

If he gets strike ex then his sync could have more value after nc.leaf's sync in longer battles. For shorter battles, his aoe sync will end the stage soon

[fading walrus]

The other 2 are whatever iirc

[final yacht]

typhlosion sucks, decidueye is mid

[fading walrus]

Ye

[hearty cedar]

That bird can never catch a break in main series. It was given a false hope

[final yacht]

ah apparently typhlo is better than deci nvm lmao

bro is too slow

[hearty cedar]

Typh is good

[fading walrus]

Yeah typh is ok

But far from greatness

[hearty cedar]

Bird is good IF you can outspeed which would need webs

[final yacht]

sticky web in masters when

[fading walrus]

Anyway, Hdeci in poma definitely doesn't reflect msg performance

[low coral]

It's better in singles, both are decent on VGC atm

With Decidueye being the better one of the two

[hearty cedar]

Its like that swimming meme format

Samurott is given all the attention
Typhlosion is about to drown

Decidueye is at the bottom of the ocean

[low coral]

Because there's no Urshifu or Tornadus around

[fading walrus]

Triple darts is technically sick

[hearty cedar]

Arrows*

[fading walrus]

But the Mon it's on

Isn't good enough

[low coral]

Triple Arrows is straight up busted as a move held back by being a signature on a slow mon

[hearty cedar]

Busted move, busted ability for that move. Stats are atrocious

[fading walrus]

Triple arrows on something with over 90 atk and 110 speed would be busted

[final yacht]

can't wait for a clock-based pokemon to have triple arrow

that would be funny

[hearty cedar]

Atleast both forms of samurott still has potential of getting shell smash and becoming even better. Bird doesn't even have that hope

[final yacht]

bird can get victory dance

[low coral]

Nah, Samurott ain't getting Shell Smash

That barely counts as a shell lmao

[fading walrus]

Fillet away

[final yacht]

if samurott is elligible for shell smash then the tapus are too, just saying

[hearty cedar]

This is an era of gamefreak stretching their logic so who knows

[stone scarab]

samurott getting shell smash would be very sus

[hearty cedar]

H-samurott would be ridiculous with it

[fading walrus]

Sinistea getting shell smash was definitely a funny choice

[hearty cedar]

I'm legit thankful it didn't get it

[fading walrus]

Also I don't fully get

Why do gorebyss and huntail get smash at lvl 1

[hearty cedar]

Technically a form of shell smashing

[fading walrus]

Like, I get why

But it's

[hearty cedar]

And they have less shell than samurott

[fading walrus]

Why give it as remember move

Yeah

Albeit

I could get them getting it before evolving

But giving them smash at lvl 1 is definitely a choice

[hearty cedar]

Atleast we can have this convo for samurott. My fav owl cant even dream

It got shafted not once but twice

[fading walrus]

Give bird the gslowbro skill

Cointoss moment

[hearty cedar]

Legit hope bird gets victory dance

[hearty cedar]

Quick draw quick claw moment

[fading walrus]

Just get lucky

[low coral]

Am I supposed to see anything here

[final yacht]

no

[true lagoon]

_ _

[hearty cedar]

If hydreigon can get both nasty plot and dragon dance at the same time in gen 8 then bird should be able to get victory dance too /cope

[final yacht]

the message is just ** **

[true lagoon]

its a formatting quirk

you can surround text with underscores and it shrinks the text

[fading walrus]

-# ** **

[true lagoon]

_ like this _

wait

_ _

[fading walrus]

-# ** **

[true lagoon]

oh

i see

[low coral]

You can use invisible characters too

Without formatting quirks

‎

[final yacht]

i can't type that easily tho

** ** is very easy

[hearty cedar]

I still can't believe they are delaying zekrom and reshiram ex roles this much

I wanted to clear ubs with their ex roles

[low coral]

Can't wait for their Sprint EXR, yeah

[paper mural]

Yes pretty weird they jumped Anni Lillie to SS Ethan and skipped the other 2nd anni units.

[final yacht]

whatever zekrom can get wont fix him

[boreal abyss]

can we get to anni like, tomorrow? thanks xoxo

[final yacht]

real

im so bored i need anni pairs now

i want to pull

[boreal abyss]

me too

i am hyped for anni

[final yacht]

i just want my op normal mf in arceus (it's probably not happening but one can dream)

[hearty cedar]

Bro you'd break my heart with that

[paper mural]

And not they're doing it again. SS Ethan > SS Lyra > NC Galartrio.
Sorry SS Kris. You'll be too op with exr so they need to skip you.

[hearty cedar]

Wdym fix him as in he's in a bad shape lol. He's still plenty good

[final yacht]

copium

[hearty cedar]

His main problem is that ash literally has 50% higher nuke than him

So there's no point in using him over ash

[final yacht]

ex r is actually weird on kris because you want to rain dance once before your sync to get value from sync burst

[hearty cedar]

You genuinely haven't seen his calcs in a while have you?

[final yacht]

i wouldnt be surprised if nc blue has a better nuke than him

[hearty cedar]

You wish

[final yacht]

sorry 5/5 is cringe

his setup is still super trash too

[hearty cedar]

No? Its just para

Which sstr gives turn 1

[paper mural]

I mean doesn't she always want to rain dance once early so she gets team spdef buff earlier?

[final yacht]

i dunno i dont have her

[final yacht]

and +6 atk and +3 crit somehow

+6 atk you need the mpr, +3 crit you literally need the support because he can't do shit by himself lmao

[hearty cedar]

Blue for crit and N's tm/xatk twice + xatk/tm. Its literally a 3 turn setup

Not bad for a 2020 unit

He can boost his own crit if he wants

[final yacht]

sorry i dont see 4/5 tiles they dont exist

[hearty cedar]

But that'd lower the nuke

[final yacht]

the only reason one would use N nowadays is because they invested in him back then lol

or because they play lg and piercing blows

[hearty cedar]

I dont think they use him for p.blows anymore

[final yacht]

yes we do??

that's literally his only purpose

[hearty cedar]

Investment? Yeah that could be a reason but not bcuz of pity but bcuz it genuinely made him good

What tier did they rank him anyway?

S-, not a bad ranking even if I dont agree with good chunk of rankings

[shrewd marten]

Beautiful

[spice swift]

Wow so Nita is actually hard huh

I can't get a clear

[paper mural]

Nita is often considered as the worst UB.

[hearty cedar]

I hate her with a passion

It's not a fun stage at all

[true lagoon]

shes probably the most bullshit ub

because of how much she demands out of your team

[spice swift]

I see alllllll the NC Red clears need 6E

[shrewd marten]

No?

[true lagoon]

what is 6E

like 6 energy?

[paper mural]

NC Red doesn't really need +6E, but he sure needs 3/5 for his absurd sync dmg.

[true lagoon]

there should be clears without its just that’s what people have him at

[spice swift]

I have NC Red and Irida at 3/5

[true lagoon]

then it should be easy just follow the video guides :thonk:

[spice swift]

The speed buffing still messes me up

[paper mural]

If you also have 3/5 NC Blue and want it to be safer, funnily Ghetsis might be a better option.

[shrewd marten]

No?

#1009557516369281075 message

[valid onyx]

There's Nita clear with Ghetsis....?

[shrewd marten]

I doubt ghetsis has a clear that never fails

Sounds like it needs some degree of rng

[hearty cedar]

Many and they made it look easy

[valid onyx]

Omg

Didn't expect that

I thought Nita hardest UB and f2p can't be used

[paper mural]

He + Irida make speed debuff always in check.

[valid onyx]

Wow I should watch some videos of it

[hearty cedar]

I'm sensing a theme here with garbodor, its excellent here too

[shrewd marten]

Now we wait for it to be added in pokemon unite sometime (read:never) to complete the trifecta

[marble portal]

Bulu and Celebi can do Argenta right

If invested, of course.

[rain sorrel]

Yeah but you need to constantly keep Grassy Gliding Argenta because she shakes off status changes except Rebuff when she does something

[marble portal]

That’s what I figured.

There’s gonna be a lot of terrain without having to reapply it with Bulu sync.

So perhaps Bulu/Celebi/rebuff?

[lunar sedge]

Rebuff support ideally

[marble portal]

So prob NC Rosa then.

Since I don’t have NC Blue.

[lunar sedge]

NC Rosa should be able to work

[rain sorrel]

Remember that you need to reapply rebuff at Argenta's 50% because she removes rebuff at that point

[lunar sedge]

Rosa teeter dance apply fighting rebuff yeah?

[stable tundra]

for NC Rosa you have to spam Teeter Dance from that point onwards

you can't delay lowering Fighting rebuff

[marble portal]

Rebuff only works once right

So essentially I’m just constantly leaving Argenta confused

[valid raft]

https://youtu.be/cxrqBru14mc?si=ApO2iOnT2PkI0EDe

My usage with Cerena was wrong at the beginning

[echo atlas]

The TCG actually had a LOT of very powerful cards of underappreciated pokemons, examples include but are not limited to Garbodor, Seismitoad, Octillrry...

Garbodor is the poster child of all this however because it's not like, 1 strong Garbodor
There were A LOT of good Garbodors out there

[hearty cedar]

Wow, didn't expect tcg to focus on under appreciated mons

[dim lance]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/947522082609192981/1264850645379186728/Screenshot_2024-07-22-15-44-30-355_com.dena.a12026418.jpg?ex=66bc6075&is=66bb0ef5&hm=493b0cf8d03578b26241d35310e18c0de40559e30bbe4d2e6d9d39b02a6c0efb&

damn it

i need more investment

[silver spruce]

What level investment is that already?

[final yacht]

Wtf

We need an actual normal support for this, not Anabel

[random bronze]

leons ub is impossible man

like actually

[paper mural]

Maybe try cheat with SS Mina's team dmg guard + crit defense field?

[final yacht]

You need normal Zone from anabel's Sync probably

Thats the only reason to use her here instead of anyone else

[random bronze]

im trying zinfogel's method with sst red, electrode and magneton or whatever and its just impossible

[paper mural]

Oh okay. Just think Poison and Ghost team use this cheat code to beat Palmer bc they can never make it in time.

[final yacht]

Poison and Ghost have better zone setters than Normal

And DPS better fit for UBs than Palmer is

[dim lance]

i used anabel because she has some chip damage but I need maybe more dupes on both palmer and larry

they're both only 3/5

with more i think its doable

[final yacht]

How do you kill sides

[dim lance]

I think they have the firepower to do so, the main part is mostly to kill mid first

lol

[shrewd marten]

I think like

An offensive support like ncrosa better

[valid raft]

Wut we talking here?

[shrewd marten]

Dis

[final yacht]

This

[shrewd marten]

Jynx

[valid raft]

Ah

[shrewd marten]

Annabel make u tank one more move sure but me no think worth

[final yacht]

Anabel is offensive in the sense that she sets up normal zone

[valid raft]

Can anyone try 2v1 with SS Diantha's EXR on Darach?

[shrewd marten]

I see a usage of the normalium zone

So it must not be enough yanno

[final yacht]

Society if SC Steven had supp r

[warm haven]

next month, trust

[valid raft]

Strike SC Diantha

[warm haven]

it needs some paulo

[final yacht]

I had an idea but it doesnt work because apparently sprint ruins sync into max into triple queue

[hearty cedar]

With who?

I have a 5/5 exr ss diantha so I can

[stone scarab]

im in the same situation so i can too

[valid raft]

Anyone

Whether it's Paulo, NC Blue, go ham

[stone scarab]

bet

[sudden sandal]

What are the key points to beat Giovanni?
Tried Zinnia but at 1/5 the no stat increases uptime doesn’t last enough time

[lunar sedge]

stats control and keep WTZ active to negate innate 3x defense and attack bonus

he has 2 special omnibuff TMs that are triggered once he hit 80% and 40% endurances

[valid raft]

• Must have a field that affects the enemy at all times
• Must know when to push the thresholds and deal with the buffs
• Sides have Discombobulate 9 with Ripple Effect 9 and Double Drop
• Sides can buff the team's offensive stats that can immediately trigger a multiplier for the enemy team
• Every time Giovanni syncs, the entire team gets 5 of the basic stats raised

[sudden sandal]

Ok then, just before Mewtwo uses Earthquake one of the sides buffs, do I have to let that buff happen?

After that I use zinnia b-move but then at 80% the no stat increase disappears and Mewtwo gets the super buff

I’m using NC Serena+Calem and Zinnia

Is Akari better?

[lunar sedge]

it's made for both Akari and SC Zinnia

[paper mural]

Skinny did it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg_02t8FUQY

[humble gyro]

I still can’t figure out how to beat this Giovanni thing

[rotund oasis]

You need an active wtz/field effect, and someone that can do haze (like Penny or Ball Guy)

[valid raft]

https://discordapp.com/channels/583120259708616715/1009557516369281075/1272962287304446123

[rotund oasis]

You can check the pins for clears

[humble gyro]

im doing everything exactly s the guy in the video with Red Vaporeon and Zapdos and my trrain just doesnt keep up

[small basin]

Does your red have his ex role?

[humble gyro]

yes

hell i finally got it

[gentle wharf]

Congrats

[snow spruce]

@low coral no luck in doing a deathless Leon UB clear with Irida-Red-Cynthia ? Or havent tried yet?

[low coral]

Haven't tried

[fading walrus]

Idk if Cyn can tank max into inferno comfortably without falling down later... without insane mpr luck

[low coral]

She can, she gets to 100% HP back eventually

The biggest problem is sure crit Hyper Beam

[fading walrus]

Right, because she needs flameproof

No?

[low coral]

Close, Status Immunity

[snow spruce]

maybe if Masterfairs get 5/5 grids some day and she gets a Vigilance on grid
Either that or try tanking with Irida Winter Coat 2..

[low coral]

The Hyper Beam is survivable already

My clear just went the safe route by healing Irida

But Cynthia could take it if I healed her

[calm summit]

Just realized they added Giovanni

Are they hard?

Also, for Argenta UB. I see almost every NC blue is EX R. How important is it really to have his role cake?

[warm haven]

idt any clear with him needs EXR

[calm summit]

Idk I just spoke with cobalt who helps me a lot and they said u prob need em to reapply debuffs after they are cleared

[marble flume]

Specifically if NC Blue is being used to reapply Rebuff to all opponents via Sync

If the clear in question doesn’t do that or only needs to reapply it to the center then things change

[calm summit]

Gotchu, I’ll have to watch the vids to see what they are looking for

[snow spruce]

when enemies have Resilience and they get confusion - after confusion wears OFF - do they then get the resilience buff (and immunity to stuns) or not? same question for trap
basically I wanna know exactly what activates their resilience buff/status

• sleep - yes
• freeze - yes
• flinch - yes
  anything else, confusion/trap ?
  obviously paralysis and poison do not and I assume burn doesnt either

[low coral]

Any heal from a negative status change activates it

Status condition too, if they somehow heal paralysis, for example, they also get it

[snow spruce]

negative status change - that includes all 3 interferences + restrain + no evasion + negative rebuffs, right?
so that means when any of those (or the 5 status conditions) run out (or they remove them themselves) - they do get resilience? Ok

This also means that putting confusion/trap on enemies is generally bad in UBs that have resilience?
(unless you need to put a negative status change on them to disable some passive and have no other options besides confusion/trap..)

Also the resilience buff blocks all negative status changes AND status conditions from being applied for the duration, right ?
so if you paralyzed/poisoned an enemy, they somehow healed it, and then their resilience activated - you wont even be able to paralyze/poison again until the resilience buff icon dissapears?

[warm haven]

Yeah trap works really well for argenta unlike Thorton who has resilience for example

[warm haven]

And that too, resilience protects from sleep/para/burn/poison

[snow spruce]

thx

[valid raft]

Forgot EB was today

[sacred sphinx]

Wise Entry x3 has nothing on Gladion

[low coral]

This was quite bulky

[sacred sphinx]

Indeed

[broken crag]

bruh tanky ass mf weavil

only gladion lived

[sacred sphinx]

Mina died to triple axel for me 😔

But hey it was nice

[low coral]

I went with Geeta on mine

[valid raft]

Ok, SST Red as the solo damage dealer can't handle it

[low coral]

Idt this is viable to off-region

[valid raft]

Yeah, not even ice team can off-region especially because of that WE x3

[low coral]

Well, it's Hail boosted Wise Entry x3, so yeah, no chance

[valid raft]

Oh yeah, hail

Definitely not shot for ice team

[steady roost]

won with them

[low coral]

This was less damage than I expected tbh

[left crow]

Mawile gaming

[rich heron]

Who needs nemona when u have ss gladion

[errant kite]

don't sleep on Katherine as an assist!

[lunar sedge]

Bit scuffed

[forest root]

Man. I’ve got no clue who to use…

I think I’m cooked

[low coral]

Do you have SS Morty?

[forest root]

Yeah I do

Got NC Leaf too

[low coral]

You can just run SS Morty / Penny as tank / NY Lisia or Summer Marnie or BP Valerie

Preferably the strike with a way to stop Accuracy debuffs

Like a Lucky Skill

Alternatively, run Lillie over Penny

As she can boost accuracy

[forest root]

I’ve got NY Lisia at 3/5, maybe EX her and give her the accuracy preventing skill

[low coral]

Idt you even need EX, but yeah

[cosmic token]

So long you amnesiac jerk.

[forest root]

My best guess is that it’s in the category of “it’s nice to have” seeing as strike EX affect all opponents

[forest root]

Ahh, I wish I had her…

[cosmic token]

It wasn’t easy even with her.

[forest root]

||Yeah I just tried scouting for her but no dice unfortunately||

[river prawn]

Tankless clear

[snow spruce]

SS Mina - NY Lisia (1/5) - Geeta is fine here,right ?

[valid raft]

Somehow, this worked

[forest root]

TEACH ME YOUR WAYS

[tulip stream]

weavile just wont die

ive gotten it down to 40% and thats it

time to give this team a shot

1/5 ss mina aint cutting it

[covert marlin]

Do you need to turn the snow off?

She doesn't have any passive reducing damage in hail right?

[tulip stream]

she gas healing in hail

[valid onyx]

Uhhh so Gladion can sweet the extreme battle easily?

*swept

Damn autocorrect

[rich heron]

Use ss mina to counter hail

[valid onyx]

I don't have 😭

[rich heron]

Oh

[tulip stream]

im having issues w/ 1/5 ss mina

[rich heron]

[tulip stream]

gotta wonder if i should try debuffing her w/ geeta

[valid onyx]

Is there cheap alternative for Mina

[rich heron]

Well I used her mainly for rain dance

And some fairy wish

[valid onyx]

🥲

cries as non mina haver

[rich heron]

Fairy wish not much if u have ss Wally

[valid onyx]

Don't have too 😭

[rich heron]

Rip

[valid onyx]

I just started this year, my sync pairs isn't much

[rich heron]

Oh I see

[valid onyx]

I hope I don't have to pull Nemona

[rich heron]

Don't pull just for ebe

If u want , then you can

Well u don't have ss gladion
So she is good

[valid onyx]

I have SS Gladion just not sure what to do about the extreme battle gimmick with only f2p options >:D

Eh wait how long this extreme battle last

[rich heron]

Why r u searching for F2p options lol

[valid onyx]

Cause I don't have many pairs 😦

[rich heron]

But ebe's are difficult

If u have good pairs , just use them

As long as it clears ebe, it's ok

[valid onyx]

Huhu yeah let's see what I can do xD

[round vale]

SSGladion won't work. You need physical attacker. LValeri can clear the first round. The second one deals just too much damage.

[inner heath]

2 F2P with SSMina

[valid raft]

https://youtu.be/Nk1BLInNHP4?si=tvC4RswXpgsFDBjM

[covert marlin]

Blue didn't survive 1st sync but glad I pulled through

[rotund oasis]

Yeet.

Around 120k hp? Shes tough .-.

[valid raft]

IIRC, Anabel has 170k+ HP

[shrewd marten]

So like

Is this thing particularly strong feeling

Cuz for a ebe designed specifically for her it doesn’t look very demolished

[valid raft]

I think DeNA expects you to pair Nemona with Penny

And maybe SS Mina or SS Wally

[rotund oasis]

I did use penny but those triple axels are a pain

[outer skiff]

Does this stage have sentry entry?
SSWally sync seems to be doing nothing
But Geeta also wasn't doing much damage

[valid raft]

Wise

x3

[tacit hatch]

as someone with no paldea pairs (bar DC nemona) and a woeful fairy roster. am i doomed

[valid raft]

You can copy my clear if you like

[tacit hatch]

i have neither of them 😅

ok so it needs status right

and weather ?

[valid raft]

No status

[tacit hatch]

alright weather hm

[valid raft]

Need weather changer and attack debuffer

[tacit hatch]

i have nc bianca for atk debuff

[valid raft]

You need to debuff continuously

All of them

[tacit hatch]

weather... ingo?

oh so nc blue better?

[valid raft]

NC Blue is... ironically mostly bad for this fight

If you dob't flinch with NC Blue, consider yourself actually lucky

[tacit hatch]

my bianca is 3/5 so she can get the circle hit attack down tile

is that still not enough

since needs multitarget debuffing ?

[valid raft]

NC Blue can work if he doesn't flinch them

Otherwise face the fury of +6 AoE attack from X Attack All only

[tacit hatch]

Ah

i see

should i just bring a Haze unit/Darach

[valid raft]

This is the first time that flinching is actuall bad in an EB

[slow sky]

This ebe really made me sweat for it

stupid hail

[stone scarab]

As soon as I got a run with the right queuing, this wasn't so bad

[slow sky]

Lodge Lillie is really handy here to deal with those attk buffs

[stone scarab]

But my god this was kinda reset hell

[rich heron]

Who said that

[sacred sphinx]

Yeah SS Gladion kinda just doesn't care

[tacit hatch]

ok pt 1 done

[slow sky]

SSGladion will need supports like zones to clear s2

[sacred sphinx]

If he has zone and rebuff Wise Entry means nothing to him

[rich heron]

True

[slow sky]

if you have neither it wont work

[sacred sphinx]

It still takes him time but it's not like he does zero damage

Yup

He will need zone and rebuff

[slow sky]

off-typing this stage was hell as well

[sacred sphinx]

SS Mina my beloved

[slow sky]

the hail is super annoying

[sacred sphinx]

Mmm yeah

I think it's safe to say if you don't have SS Mina it's kinda hell

[slow sky]

mines only 1/5 so I definitely wasnt gonna use her

[sacred sphinx]

Wha

She does fine at 1/5 no?

[slow sky]

so I decided to have some rng hell with Zeen's behated Eburgh

she probably wont last if she's the solo tank

[low coral]

If you triple his damage, the tripled Sp. Def means nothing, basically

[slow sky]

I needed Lodge Lillie to debuff attack

[sacred sphinx]

Mmm it balances out lul

[slow sky]

my Eburgh is 3/5 and has potion mpr

[sacred sphinx]

I take it you don't have SS Wally?

[slow sky]

(and also that super heal if my metronome lands a SE move)

nope

[sacred sphinx]

Ah

[slow sky]

that tripel axel tho, even with -6 attack it still hits hard

like bruhhhh

[tacit hatch]

ok i dont know if pt 2 is possible for me 😅

my only limited weather setters are ingo, lodge volo and irida (who is hail)

[low coral]

The weather setter can be filler, depends on your actual carries

[tacit hatch]

oh well i have no "carry" pairs

im trying to use bp valerie haha

her damage is.... uh not great

[low coral]

EX?