Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

[river prawn]

After you learn the rotation it's not so tough

[radiant edge]

I think Avery might be able to do a comp

but i gotta try first

[stable storm]

it also makes you think more during the fight

idt so

[valid raft]

Is there anyone that did my comp?

Wondering if it could be faster

[stable storm]

frogs?

[dim lance]

ice probably needs omse greedy

zinnia + irida/red time

with playing around timings

ice just doesn't have the debuffs to clear

[valid raft]

Frogs and fox

[stable storm]

could ssac ice or chase ice do this?

[stable storm]

@dim lance

[snow spruce]

Irida has debuffs, its a matter of correctly manipulating his life bar with endure procs

[rotund oasis]

https://vxtwitter.com/0411HIREO/status/1821081432934306153

oh that wass him with the maxed out SS Misty? ww

[dim lance]

yeah but you'd have to kill before he uses his TM or something

but we'll see

I'm also interested to see if poison/fairy can go through it

Traditional Flying is probably capped?

but not sure

i feel there's more success in greeding

and just throwing zinnia or grims or something

lol

[river prawn]

Fairy with Penny can do it

[dim lance]

yeah fairy just runs penny

penny is a pretty good check

[river prawn]

Poison team probably has zone issues

[rain sorrel]

Grass could probably just run Adaman

Constant sun turns off Gio's bulk passives anyway and Adaman can extend Sun at 3/5 anyway

[stable storm]

what do ya all think of the tm on endure mechanic?

[stable storm]

fairy with penny did it. I thought fire would defimate this but haven't seen any fire clears yet

[dim lance]

fire is a bit slow, but it should be able to do it

[stable storm]

she's really easy to splash on a lot of comps for this ub

[dim lance]

all things considered this one isn't too hard

[stable storm]

it's Leon level I'd say

[dim lance]

leon bottlenecks your options

Idt gio does as much

[stable storm]

I still don't like how fat it is but I do like the tm on endure mechanical

At first, I didn't like the new tm on endure ub mechanic but after facing it more and using it to my advantage I am starting to like it. Makes clears more varied and thoughtful and increases ways people approach the ub

[stable storm]

fair

[snow spruce]

Oleana - SS Roxie - SS Mina .. this one can probably do it, i think, Poison could keep the all UB streak
NC Cheren - Anni Skyla - SS Mina .. Flying, I doubt it
Irida - NC Red - SSA Cynthia .. seems difficult, but maybe doable ? idk
Irida - NC Red - Chase .. probably not?

[warm haven]

I like it, the difference in playing around it instead of rushing it is satisfying

[rain sorrel]

Fire has a lot of ways of keeping Sun up. It makes me wanna try something

[spiral summit]

Lovely, he missed the most important one

[final yacht]

Another UB I'm not beating any time soon

[stable storm]

oleana debuffs stats by 3 at once right? only worry is if ss roxie could keep up with sp def buffs

[stable storm]

I think ice has potential to rush it like nc silver elec did

[stable storm]

Smth, simply hit

@spiral summit when are you trying to get him to endure?

[mighty plover]

how did i lose with misty bird and rat

[grave zodiac]

team water done

[rotund oasis]

i saw sst red/zapdos + grimsley, fully ex

[mighty plover]

aint no way

surely grimsley dies at sync

[rotund oasis]

as long as you can steal buffs, you're fine.

[paper mural]

You don't really need to always let him have no buff at all. You just keep it low.

[stable storm]

I thought you said you had rats(plural) pretty sure there's a traditional rats comp clear on the in game replays

[rotund oasis]

i ran ball guy, sst red and nc blue, and i managed to sync 5 times .-.

[mighty plover]

I do have rats

but who would debuff without misty

[rotund oasis]

ball guy -> nc blue -> sst red sync order

[mighty plover]

other than red

[stable storm]

mina water has done it. So fairy, elec,dark and water so far. Elec has had both variants clear

[plush gale]

I may have Zinnia is it work 1/5?

[stable storm]

ah right he has no 90% if sp def is up tile

[stable storm]

nc blue debuffs. You are trying to kill quick anyways

[mighty plover]

i'll try

[stable storm]

when are you getting gio to endure

[mighty plover]

whar

qhart ?

[radiant edge]

Sync would kill if atk/sp.atk is raised

juts make sure you erase it right before sync, if there is any

[spiral summit]

SS Wally didn’t give me Fairy Zone mpr

[stable storm]

gio clicks his tm on endure

[spiral summit]

[stable storm]

use mina

[mighty plover]

Yeah okay

[warm haven]

World of pain

[stable storm]

@mighty plover if you run grimsley comp you try to get him to 80% before first sync while he is clicking his last move before sync. This will make him open with tm after sync and you can snatch immediately. SST red and nc blue should keep him debuffed enough for sync 1

[mighty plover]

oOO

[spiral summit]

Game plans for fairy team Bc i dont want to do it tho, idk those 3 can kill last 40%

[stable storm]

mina ss glad and penny already have

I wonder if standard fairy can do it

[fringe stratus]

Does staggering (sleep/flinch) force gio to use his tm prematurely?

I cant try it out rn

[rain sorrel]

Rock would definitely have a solid chance once SS Diantha gets her Field EXR

[dark dust]

SS Diantha already got it

[warm haven]

No, he uses his tm when you reach the first endure

[rain sorrel]

OH YOU'RE RIGHT.

[stable storm]

no, only endures

[stable storm]

ss diantha and who?

do they have enough firepower...

[rain sorrel]

Anyone who can cancel Gio's buffs and a bulky tank. You'd probably need a handful of Rock Zone MPRs to keep Gio's passive turned off tho

[jaunty coral]

Do the rat work for Giovanni

[broken crag]

@warm haven question for sst im using ur grid but i got extra energy to pick either max conductivity or static shock which one would u think be better

[stable storm]

ss diantha, penny (?) and Elio?

[stable storm]

Yes but you need to be careful of a few things when fighting him and damage him a specific amount

[warm haven]

Prob max conductivity so you can start debuffing early

[broken crag]

did u have any skill gears

or basic

[warm haven]

Skill gears, but type gear prob should work

[broken crag]

hmm i got electric gears with para boost

for sync and regular moves

so that should help

ah sht dont have enough energy to grab piercing gaze for silver

[snow spruce]

is it possible to presync Gio ?

[broken crag]

2 endures so prob not

[fringe stratus]

Thank goodness 1/5 zinnia seems to be enough provided that akari is 3/5

I was running out of tech candies

[lunar sedge]

Haze gaming

[shy pecan]

https://youtu.be/dHaCG6JkU_U?si=75Y-XufmIv36uMkB

Zapdos, pikachu, sylveon run

[jaunty coral]

I hate this game sometime

[boreal abyss]

Hello gamers

How is the Gio ultimate experience so far

[lunar sedge]

Lodge Gladion gaming

[valid raft]

One word: Variance

[snow spruce]

this UB feels almost average with any haze/stat steal pair .. and hell (Nita level or even worse) without one

Akari + any haze basically stomps it

[valid raft]

If Giovanni had Fluid Fortification, then he deserves to rule Pasio

[lunar sedge]

Btw did anyone else's run had Giovanni use one of his tm before his first sync?

[valid raft]

IIRC, it's an HP endurance thing

[lunar sedge]

So 80% HP before first sync triggers the TM?

Oh wait nvr

I got it now

[boreal abyss]

Brycen's time to shine?

[valid raft]

80% uses You're in Trouble and 40% uses The Ultimate Power

[boreal abyss]

Letsgoski let's go

[lunar sedge]

Ok makes sense I ran a SP3 Akari the first time so I got to that threshold before the sync lol

[valid raft]

I finally understood what Pykuo meant

[thin canyon]

Giovanni ub clear

1/5 akari too

[mighty plover]

Don't buff anyone until after 1st sync

Just debuff straight away, no buffing

Huge pro tip I had to learn the hard way

[snow spruce]

I feel like if you're doing Ice - you have to take the first 20% very slow (just spam Blizzard ?) - that might even mean that you dont even use Ice zone until turn5 +
That gives you more ice zone/hail uptime for later, after 80% - when you have to rush

and Ice team + Penny should be pretty easy - the question is doing it with Cynthia/Chase.

[low coral]

Sorry, I just woke up again

You just pre-sync with Ice

[snow spruce]

pre-sync ? Oo

can you do it with NC blue/SSA Cynthia too?

[low coral]

How many times has the answer been different?

[snow spruce]

I have no idea how this even works, genuinely. Any chance of video later?

[low coral]

Sure, but I have a business trip today, it might take some time to record

[snow spruce]

Thats ok, video is just a bonus, screenshot is also enough for my doc update.
does Ice only work here with Chase or with Cynthia/Blue too ?

[low coral]

I would be more confident with Blue than Cynthia, but I didn't try

[dark dust]

I'll try later with Akari/Cynthia/Penny

[low coral]

But iirc there's a replay with Grusha

[boreal abyss]

Got my 300 gems on this one too, no idea if I have time to find silly teams to clear it

[warm haven]

i think it got in the replays, i saw it befor checking here

[earnest panther]

With 1/5 units only

[valid raft]

Anyone done a Foxanne clear yet?

[snow spruce]

@low coral did you end up using the no-accuracy drop cookie on Irida?

[low coral]

Yes

[low coral]

@snow spruce https://youtu.be/SwLFlSr5YAU?si=AQz7Gjr2YtTU7Env managed to get a good recording quickly

[snow spruce]

Hmm I dont think its pre-syncable with Cynthia/Blue, given how close it was here.
Would have to be post-sync + not trigger TM before the sync

[low coral]

Oh, you def wouldn't pre-sync

[earnest panther]

Foxanne can't survive sync before even doing her gimmick

[slate light]

yahoo

[snow spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enITHZ9ZJTc

[earnest panther]

Pain

[valid raft]

[earnest panther]

Mostly because akari used

[snow spruce]

was there even any pre-sync Dark clear ?

[lunar sedge]

maybe once we'll get our very first ignore endurace threshold pair this upcoming anni

[warm haven]

Piercing blows EX

[low coral]

Ultimate upgrade for N & Zekrom after the champ trio

[final yacht]

He really needs a buff lol

[velvet raven]

Is Ball Guy better than a haze user?

[rotund oasis]

i got ice beam'd by giovanni a few times and got frozen because of it 😭

[rotund oasis]

whose your third team member? 😮

[velvet raven]

Also is it best to have everything run vigilance due to the sync crit?

[slate light]

nc blue

[rotund oasis]

ah pain.

[slate light]

got pretty close with NC calem however

[rotund oasis]

i kinda want to do NC Blue + Akari 3/5 + Ball Guy Hm.

the two supports helped a lot

with my SST Red core team dd

[radiant edge]

https://youtu.be/T7fx01cioog?si=ZYm_1wIUpWwcOX-w

Did it again

This team probably only fears Nita and Anabel

[velvet raven]

???

[paper mural]

I don't think they cleared Argenta? It's pretty much "if the gimmick is about weather they fuck up"

[low coral]

For a generic clear or are you talking about a specific team?

[low coral]

Argenta is weak enough that they did do it

Nita is a different beast, you could remove weather entirely and they still wouldn't win

[snow spruce]

rats + Zapdos? They get hardfiltered by weather UBs yeah, otherwise solid
But weather is kind of a must have in UBs. And if you remove NC Blue for a weather support then they get a lot weaker

[paper mural]

Oh that's new to me.

[low coral]

SS Morty can often cover over Blue, but bringing sun isn't gonna change their matchup vs Anabel or Nita

[snow spruce]

SS Mina is probably > SS Morty

[low coral]

Probably not

[paper mural]

It's often easier to switch Ash out tho.
NC Blue + SST Red is a more important core for the team to work.

[low coral]

Mina is a better Anabel matchup for a generally weaker one vs the rest

[orchid bridge]

Ash is probably the most replaceable in the rats team

Yup

NC Blue and SST Red are the core

The 3rd member is quite flexible

[paper mural]

Sometimes an eggmon lol.

[low coral]

Well, in terms of antigimmicking weather, it's Hail > Rain > Sand > Sun

And Lapras happens to have the best weather + Cakewalk enabling

[stable storm]

ice comp dpses through everything huh. Circle moment

[fading walrus]

How much is Bianca's enhancing passive?

Will to protect

20?30%?

[stable storm]

20

[paper mural]

Sand theoretically would be equal to hail and better than rain in not Nita UBs.

[north locust]

I'm kind of surprised there isn't a NC Marnie clear yet

[low coral]

There's lots

Just open in-game replays

[stable storm]

Any fire comp clears yet?

[low coral]

I saw Leaf ones

[lunar sedge]

I saw one I think in the successful team list

[spiral summit]

I did it already (w Zinnia)

[stable storm]

leaf and who?

[lunar sedge]

Now who's the madman who did the UB with the SC Zinnia/Akari/NC Marnie team in the successful teams list lol

[north locust]

Who's the third?

[stable storm]

what's mad about it?

[spiral summit]

Calem

[stable storm]

seems like a sensible team for gio

Marnie can tank for a bit and burst gio down to 80% pre sync so zinnia can stat steal

[floral crypt]

He got paralysed three times lmao

[lunar sedge]

Is Marnie that decently tanky? For striker standard at least

Granted gio does hit kinda weak imo

[velvet raven]

Already beat it it’s fine lol

[uncut drum]

Giovanni was really not that bad

At all

[low coral]

Gio doesn't hit weak

He just doesn't attack a lot

[floral crypt]

If he used his TMs earlier he would be more of a threat

[low coral]

The hits he does make are strong

[uncut drum]

Yeah

[stable storm]

Marnie is tanky for last year standards in general. Gio doesn't hit that hard if he has no buffs

[velvet raven]

Only annoying part is when hypno uses swift

[uncut drum]

Compared to Nita, Anabel or Leon? Not really

[stable storm]

since he doesn't spam attacks

so Marnie can tank

[low coral]

He def hits harder than Anabel

[floral crypt]

This the first time Hypno is really used for anything right?

I don't think Faba even had it

[uncut drum]

That Sacred Fire hits so hard

[stable storm]

I'd say it's still lower total dps than the average ub if mewtwo is at 0 buffs

[uncut drum]

It's just that most of the moves are aoe

[floral crypt]

It's mainly the enforced burn that hurts from that sacred fire

[uncut drum]

Yeah but coming from 4.6k attack stat it hits hard

[low coral]

Yeah, the hit itself is not that hard

Since the BP is low

[floral crypt]

Also it's crazy how we've had an entire role dedicated to WTZ and we don't have any Water type ones yet

[boreal abyss]

The kris foreshadowing is real

[stable storm]

? there's no field water?

not even exr?

[low coral]

No

[uncut drum]

Also who said Summer Acerola doesn't work here???

[low coral]

But probably next month

[stable storm]

wut

[uncut drum]

This was like almost first try btw

[stable storm]

well ig mix leaf next month

[floral crypt]

And Sandstorm only has VGio

[low coral]

And Dahlia kinda feels semi-Field

[stable storm]

Unless they forgot leaf again

[low coral]

Which is why I think people don't feel it that much

[stable storm]

definitely feels like she wasn't tech field because tech strike is stronger

[low coral]

I'm talking about gameplay usage

She's relatively similar-feeling to the Mix units

[stable storm]

Don't have dahlia but her kit is similar

[low coral]

To the point idt a Blastoise Mix Scout would even change Water much

[lunar sedge]

https://youtu.be/WPs95Ka96dw?si=AYatG9CiEAq3-iDE

[stable storm]

I mean water is already very high rn

[stable storm]

haze is definitely godly in this ub

wait does l glad have mpr?

[lunar sedge]

Yes

[silver spruce]

How bad is Gio if Akari is Rome exd

[stable storm]

Rome exd?

[silver spruce]

Role

Auto correct is stupid

[stable storm]

depends on who you have with akari

[low coral]

Better than Paris exd

[boreal abyss]

With Rome ex you get a free pasta dish too

[lunar sedge]

Since I'm using what is essentially a sole striker for damage its gonna take a while so you def want to get at least 1 haze MPR

[stable storm]

have someone like sc zinnia or a hazer and a decently bulky tank who can keep the team alive and you should be fine @silver spruce

[silver spruce]

Zinnia sync or Akari?

[boreal abyss]

Both works

[low coral]

Akari into Zinnia

[uncut drum]

I synced with both

[silver spruce]

Sounds good

[low coral]

You'll probably hit an endurance anyway

[uncut drum]

Akari first for zone

[silver spruce]

I just throw blue in there to tank

[uncut drum]

Akari deals with 80% endure

While Zinnia brings to 40%

[stable storm]

@silver spruce you wanna make gio hit endure right before sync so immediately after syncing or before he clicks tm which you can sc zinnia b move

he clicks tm on endure

[silver spruce]

👍

[uncut drum]

Doesn't the second one happens after 2nd sync?

[valid raft]

Still no Cerena clears in the docs

[uncut drum]

I'm pretty sure he didn't tm after 40% endure

[boreal abyss]

There are some already iirc

[uncut drum]

Then be the one to do it

[paper mural]

He won't tm right away if he already queue move

[boreal abyss]

I think I saw one in this channel here

Frogs and zinnia

[low coral]

Yeah, Gio decides his queue on his current HP, not after the damage he would take

It can even backfire, if you flinch him above an endurance and then hit him to be below it, he'll queue a TM

[stable storm]

no 40% endure unless a move is qeued

[velvet raven]

Welp back to all UB being cleared for now

[rigid pivot]

Wait so what causes him to use tm before sync? Every time I had him use tm before sync but this time he did eq and I wasnt prepared

[valid raft]

https://discordapp.com/channels/583120259708616715/1009557516369281075/1270664484419272806

That's only assuming you hit it on the mark

[whole field]

Runerigus coming in so clutch

Accuracy buffs plus the AOE debuffing

[rigid pivot]

Hm, close, not sure what I could change

Other than ex’ing gladion

[small basin]

first time i've beat a UB first try

[dim inlet]

So close yet so far

[valid raft]

I don't get how you lost with the units made for the fight

[exotic dome]

bc no stat increase runs out too fast and you are screwed

[slow sky]

yeah, this fight is definitely a no go for me...

until they release a really broken support unit that can steal buffs besides Penny

[valid raft]

Have you looked at the docs yet?

[slow sky]

I did

I either lack 1 or more of the units

[fading walrus]

God bless 3/5 penny lol

Veevee buddies unite moment

Wish I could record this as it's 100% consistent

But my phone HATES hail

[valid raft]

I'm allergic to good variance

[dim inlet]

Phew

Just had to 3/5 my Zinnia and EX her too

[valid raft]

I'll be waiting for a Cerena clear tomorrow

[fading walrus]

There's already a couple

No?

[whole field]

Runerigus is the op stat dropper

[slow sky]

?

[earnest panther]

Runerigus isn't a support

[snow spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLbVmWucX70

[slow sky]

I dont even have that runerigus unit to begin with lmao

[rigid pivot]

Ok penny destorys this fight the issue is getting akari to live 2nd sync

Not sure how to do that without 4/5’ing penny or sacrafing damage for vilgance

And idk if I wanna do either

[spiral summit]

My record was broken

[uncut drum]

https://youtu.be/pG60U9xX80I

[gentle wharf]

And done thanks for the idea and video

Also yes that is Giovanni dying due to Dark Damage Field lol

[fading walrus]

I mean it's 30k chip

What's surprising

[stable tundra]

It's funny

[fading walrus]

Hail kills UB all the time

Smh

[snow spruce]

tried Ice team with Cynthia - got close a few times, Irida dying to post-sync EQ (even to a non-crit from full HP) is the main issue

[fading walrus]

manage to record
You miss a queue so the fight looks much, much closer than it actually is

I'm not gonna record again because it ate like 7% of my battery in 10 mins

https://youtu.be/qMyfyPhVNH8?si=j2XjE51bKXPZqzhx

Good enough ig

[wicked wind]

Got a little dicey at the end, but beat him with Grass!

[fading walrus]

3/5 red I guess

[wicked wind]

5/5. ALL of my Grass is 5/5.

[slow sky]

Fuccc fuckkkkkk fucckkkk!!!

I ran out of sunny day and potions

if only Leaf has piercing gaze

would have easily finish it off before sunny day runs out instead of spamming Lear

[valid raft]

Did you grid Morty's Sunny Disposition?

[slow sky]

no

not enough energy to do so also..

[snow spruce]

Gio doesnt have Piercing Blows here, right ?
Endurance gaming time?

[valid raft]

Gio doesn't have PB

[rigid pivot]

Ash with his 5 endures:

Also I’m completely struggling on this one idk if I have the resources rn but I got pretty close

[dry berry]

Bye old man...

[sacred sphinx]

Did you use the same move order as SceptileFan or

Cos for some reason I can't presync him without dying to earthquake

Yes I'm aware I'm a walking skill issue

[rigid hare]

Ok, i'm asking here too

My teams for UB Argenta are Zapdos MoltresKanto and Breloom, than soon enough will be 5/5, and Zapdos Dahlia and RedMix.

I never tried the 2nd one, you think it has a chance? On the document i saw a similar version but with Bulu if i'm not wrong

[dry berry]

Was it meant for me?

[gritty vine]

Hmmm, I do think I can do gio without rats, but I’d have to remove my candy stash….

[spiral summit]

https://youtu.be/4Ena7m2AjAU?si=kVK6TMUXilCb0Vyy

[low coral]

He doesn't, a different Ice clear from mine is forced to use it

As both Giovanni and the player's team end up KOed at the same time

[snow spruce]

ok this wasnt actually that bad at all lol.
I did give Red Endurance, but didnt even need it in the end. And no deaths (lucky here, my actual first clear did have Cynthia dying)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVnnWpA_9Vo
aside from Red using his Protect - nothing special, kind of just facetanking + freezing

[rigid hare]

My bad instead of Zapdos in the 2nd team i meant Shiny Ho Oh

So that i can remove the Rain

[gritty vine]

Now this is a clear I’m proud of. Marnie and akari have acuity, Penny has Alderine.

[snow spruce]

with this - the Irida-Red-Cynthia team can do all 10 UBs, and 9 of them are deathless (including Anabel and GIovanni)
Only on Leon there are deaths

[whole field]

Adrenaline?

[low coral]

I think I can do Leon without KOes if that's of interest

[gritty vine]

Adrenaline yeah

[whole field]

Damn, they beat Regigigas?

[low coral]

On day 1

[snow spruce]

ofc, Irida-red beat Palmer with nearly any Sprint Support IIRC

[stable storm]

any fire ir poison clears yet?

[whole field]

Regigigas is still the worst designed UB imo

[slow sky]

I WON!!!!

AAAAAAAAAaa

[spiral summit]

I think Palmer is way better than Nita tho

[slow sky]

I even recorded it LOL

[low coral]

There's NC Leaf / SS Morty cores

[stable storm]

she's very useful

[low coral]

Both with a supportive third or with a Dark hybrid-type clear

[slow sky]

Eat shit Giovanni!

[snow spruce]

if you can beat Leon UB with them without anyone dying I'd be interested yeah. Ping me if you do make it.

[slow sky]

right before my last sunny day went off

[stable storm]

?? flying did gio?

[low coral]

Yes

[snow spruce]

yup. And 3 Ice clears

with Chase Cynthia Grusha

[low coral]

Did anybody else get a pre-sync?

I could try a Dark pre-sync later is that wasn't done

Although, if it takes 3/5 Zinnia, sadly I only got 1/5

[whole field]

I think Nita/Landorus is overtuned, but not a bad fight design for mechanics to counter.

Regigigas is easier to clear, but has bad fight design. You can't counter his mechanics meaningfully, you just have to rush damage.

I'd love to be able to use critical shield or something to counter his Piercing Blows and guaranteed crit.
Or using flinch to extend sync timer.
Or, since he has "max strike", he should have cakewalk and similar multipliers that we can counter with speed boosts.

Instead, you just rush him.

[low coral]

Well, that IS the mechanic

If you wanna do it without rushing, you can try cores like SS Mina + debuffs

[stable storm]

that's not as surprising considering how good ice is at abusing gio tm

[snow spruce]

nothing wrong with having 1 (or even several) dps race UBs IMO

[stable storm]

that is his gimmick. Raw damage race

makes more teams overall counter him

[slow sky]

at least he doesnt hit like a truck at the initial stage tho

which allows you to focus more on DPS than defense building

[stable storm]

that's part of the damage race yeh

[low coral]

If anything, Noland is far more unorthodox

[slow sky]

if he hits like a truck initially + u have to DPS race him

that 1 would be a real nightmare

[low coral]

Since how good you are as a tank is entirely thrown away

In exchange for full on damage block

[stable storm]

I'd argue the only way to make a proper damage race in poma is the palmer ub

[stable storm]

in exchange he's as bulky as 3 layers of tissue paper so he's also one of the most fair ubs imo

any poison comp clear yet?

[rigid hare]

Well it was worth a shot

[stable storm]

The other high tier comps seem to have cleared so far

[whole field]

I'd say the right way to do a soft enrage damage cap to create a dps race would be to make every enemy sync work like a support sync.

Gaining 2 buffs each sync cycle to outpace you and eventually kill.

[stable storm]

Too slow

[low coral]

That's barely a DPS race

[whole field]

It is if their base damage starts high

[stable storm]

wouldn't feel like a race, especially with palmer's stats

still too slow

palmer has no endure and only 700k hp

[low coral]

There's no reason for Poison to not clear besides Earthquake at most

[stable storm]

even if they begin hitting like Anabel support sync buffs wouldn't be much of a boost

[rotund oasis]

https://vxtwitter.com/sabatsu_pkms/status/1821155086296609246 sst red + zapdos ... and ssummer hilda/ ;O cool.

[rigid hare]

Isn't summer hilda weak to psychic?

[stable storm]

maybe the poison clearers are sleeping rn

[stable storm]

did the guy clear?

[rotund oasis]

from what i see, she's secondary tank.

[low coral]

It's mostly a Japanese team, so no, if anything, they're going to sleep now

[whole field]

Yes, and it is sad this should have been her one opportunity to shine lol

[loud adder]

Never underestimate the power of Leaf (feat. Penny).

[low coral]

As it's 11 PM in Japan now

[rotund oasis]

yep https://vxtwitter.com/sabatsu_pkms/status/1821125626461614587

[stable storm]

nice

1 s hilda clear

[rigid hare]

What can i do about this guys? 😔

I end the terrains too Fast even with Dahlia

[rotund oasis]

27k crit sync nuke seems to be on par, sst red is running on fumes (no more e-terrain)

[stable storm]

Tmrw we will probably get a bunch of poison clears or the weekend

[snow spruce]

the same guy who did the Flying and other SS Mina UB clears will probably do Poison + Mina too

[stable storm]

wonder if rock could do gio?

[whole field]

What you want:
Set sun Clear rain at the start, and at 50%. Don't be scared of his terrain, just fear his rain.

If you have a rebuff unit, set rebuff at start and at 50%. Save that second rebuff, because he will clear both if you waste both at start.

I'm pretty sure I cleared with Blue/Zapdos, and just saved his sync until late in the fight.

[low coral]

Rock with Chase maybe can do it

[stable storm]

does dahlia have 2 rebuffs?

[rigid hare]

The rebuff thing can be cheesed with confusion too

So i just spam confusion with Dahlia

[low coral]

As Selene got a considerable firepower

[loud adder]

Just one

[stable storm]

chase Selene and elio? don't sides buff sp def

[low coral]

They do, but Selene outpaces them when it matters

[stable storm]

do you have a double rebuff unit

[rigid hare]

The point is that i can't even get to 50% 😔

[low coral]

Even on my own clear, Gio had negative Sp. Def

[rigid hare]

Plenty actually, say one (except Adaman)

[whole field]

Doesn't she gain resilience/immunity for 30 seconss after she clears the confusion?

[stable storm]

how much investment would Selene need?

[low coral]

Probably a lot

[stable storm]

I have Chase,Selene, and 5/5 ss diantha. Chase is 3/5 selene is only 1/5

all exr tho

[low coral]

Idt that's enough

[orchid bridge]

Time to yellow candy Selene, Doom

[stable storm]

no

[orchid bridge]

I trust you

[stable storm]

I have 2 strike candies ready if anni has no striker I am going for

I hope there's no 5/5 Selene required

[whole field]

Huh, I thought all UBs had that mechanic.

To prevent flinch/sleep spamming, mainly.

[orchid bridge]

You have to test it for us, Doom

[low coral]

Half of the UBs are straight up immune to them

[stable storm]

The ubs that don't are immune to sleep and freeze

[low coral]

Argenta doesn't have Resilience because she would limit too much into Rebuff and maybe Restrain

[stable storm]

f2p argenta clears abuses the no reseliance on argenta

[low coral]

And Thorton already did that

[whole field]

I'm just glad LA Moltres came out before that mechanic 🤣

Flinch cheese was most of my clears on my 54 run for LG

[low coral]

Idt it did

[peak bridge]

I didn't read the rule, you know why ?

[stable storm]

imagine a la designed for 2024 units

[low coral]

Resilience came out with Archie and Maxie

[peak bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-pokemon-pokemon-pikachu-thunderbolt-pikachu-uses-thunderbolt-gif-12132616387468639609

This why.

[low coral]

Moltres LA came out after the Primals, no?

[stable storm]

still feels like yesterday

[whole field]

Terrakion and Raikou were pretty lackluster

[stable storm]

I said 2024

we haven't had a lg in 2024

*la

Imagine Arceus la

[whole field]

Time is an illusion.
I don't remember when things happen ☠️

[orchid bridge]

Probably just a LA that wants rebuff

[low coral]

Well, the recent LAs are still designed like 2019/2020 stages

[plush gale]

By far the most Intense Ultimate Battle I've ever experienced https://youtu.be/YXP1TxdlATA

[orchid bridge]

or probably circle.....but circle are still rare

[low coral]

Since they need to do it for Gauntlet

[whole field]

Rebuff is great for all of the trap/fuse/flinch ones

[stable storm]

the 4th anni powercreep has been insane

especially when we hit December

[stable storm]

how would circ even be an anti gimmick

[orchid bridge]

Simple, just make a new passive

you can't deal damage unless you apply circle

[north chasm]

so is there a reason giovanni sometimes uses his tm before his first sync and sometimes doesnt

[dark dust]

He'll use it automatically if you reach 80%

[rigid hare]

Actually, nope, she just clears the confusion after a move and then i can set it again

[north chasm]

i see

[eternal yacht]

Do you think it's possible with 3/5 of same team instead of 5/5? Also what custom gears do you have?

[rigid hare]

Btw, i did slightly better but i still die

[stable storm]

he uses you are in trouble now at 80% and ultimate power at 40%

[whole field]

Health %

He uses the TM at 40 and 80% (barring scripted abilities like using sure crit all just before a sync)

[rigid hare]

Ill hope when i get 5/5 Breloom then, ill be ready

[stable storm]

you can always do the f2p clear if you can't do it the normal way

[stable storm]

ehhhh

[rigid hare]

Where's the fun in that

[stable storm]

breloom isn't good against argenta other than being super effective

she's immume to sleep

breloom applies no status change other than sleep

isn't particularly strong

or good at staying alive

[rigid hare]

He's the only one fn that killed Suicune

Thanks to his nuke

Also i'm just leveling him to 5/5 just because i like the Pokémon, the UB is a side Quest

[snow spruce]

yeah 3/5 on all should be fine. Irida is the one who wants extra energy the most, but 3/5 and 66 energy is ok too. I didnt even use Arctic Arrival here
Gears are just some Ice ones with extra damage/sync damage, nothing too major

[stable storm]

Oh then it's fine if breloom is a fav

[rigid hare]

Yep

[stable storm]

@snow spruce what comps in your doc have done all ubs

[rigid hare]

From what i heard, Irida/NC Red

And Chase

[snow spruce]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1unwNqwt18yroGqlEpdcnvYBhpn7KdX-ZCD53vqiufzg/edit?gid=1190611733#gid=1190611733

[stable storm]

are you tracking clears of the less powerful types as well?

[snow spruce]

I only track those have done all current UBs, and a few teams that are missing 1 or 2 (they are mostly leftovers from before when they did have all UBs)
not by type

[stable storm]

wait, silver elec has done anabel I am pretty sure

[snow spruce]

yeah and its added

1 compilation for 5-6 fights

[stable storm]

ohh missed it my bad

[snow spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXP1TxdlATA
ok this is a pre-sync Dark clear. Nice

[low coral]

The Calem KO

[snow spruce]

Want Irida and Adaman to have EX roles already

[rigid hare]

Irida will have Field and Adaman Striker Sprinter

[eternal yacht]

ok thanks, can you also share your grids please because this is the only comp I can use

[snow spruce]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=009103044800&s0=5&l0=150&r0=6&p0=0&a0=15010101&t0=44444&x0=true&g0=AAECAwQFBggLDQ4PEBolJigqLQ&v1=028500047100&s1=5&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=18020601&t1=4444&g1=AAECAwQFBggKDQ4VGBwdHiAi&v2=000003014400&s2=5&l2=150&r2=6&p2=0&a2=13010602&t2=44444&x2=true&g2=AAECAwQFDA8UHh8gIiQoKy0uLw
these are the grids for 5/5, for 3/5 if you dont have 70 energy - just take off something non critical
But I'm sure you can find a better team - with any unit that can haze/remove/steal etc. buffs - that trivializes this fight greatly.
I only used this team because I like it and to keep its UB streak going

[hearty cedar]

I'm thinking of doing it

The problem is that traditional fire team cannot remove those stat buffs

[eternal yacht]

I think I'll have to remove Winter Coat from Irida and either Sync Node/Endurance from Red

Difficult to use other comps because no Zinnia + Zapdos + Akari and the ones that can clear it have low move levels

thanks for help

[snow spruce]

Endurance is kind of optional, but Winter Coat 2 on Irida is probably required for her to survive the boosted EQ (in my video she survives it at 22% - thats with Winter Coat 2)

[lusty flare]

In the SST Red, NC Blue, and NC Silver clear, do folks know if the Critical Strike 2 is required on Red? He keeps dying to EQ after Gio second sync so I'm wondering if Vigilance makes the run safer but still doable

[stone scarab]

vigilance probably isnt making him live that

[lusty flare]

Lol, okay fair enough

Just gotta get better with this

[warm haven]

do you have circle active when getting hit by eq?

ah wait you shouldnt be reaching second sync

[lusty flare]

Yeah I think I'm doing something wrong. I need to study your run a bit more

[snow spruce]

@low coral 0h wait lol. There are also 2 deaths on Thorton (Irida-Red-Cynthia team) - the clear in your initial compilation. For some reason I thought it wasnt
So its both Thorton and Leon that arent deathless.
Not sure if Thorton is also doable deathless or not (maybe with infinite potion refreshes..)

[warm haven]

the general idea is to get the 80% endure after the first gio sync. Then sync + dps to get to the second endure

[lusty flare]

Yeah, I think I'm wasting too much time on getting to the 80% before the Red sync

[low coral]

Oh wait, Cyn

[lusty flare]

Being too careful

[low coral]

Yeah, Thorton idr

I'll try when I have the time

[snow spruce]

y Cynthia. I know Chase is deathless since pre-sync

[snow spruce]

Ok.

[low coral]

Leon I know I can do it

But I don't remember how close Thorton was

[snow spruce]

well both Irida and Cynthia died on your Thorton clear. But I dont know if better rng can make it deathless or not
You did run out of potions and for some reason his Double-Edge was a crit (without any crit buffs .. I guess its some base 4-5% chance to get a crit ?, unlucky)
I feel like with very good potion rng and no crits - it should have been deathless since you just keep topping everyones HP back and grind him down

[north chasm]

ok this wasnt terrible

ss misty pulling her weight lmao

[humble gyro]

so whats the good team for Gio?

shit i dont have akari

[valid raft]

Depends on what you have

Best units are SC Zinnia, Cerena, CCalem, SS Misty, etc.

[rigid hare]

Show us your Dark type box

Also, side question

Has some1 done it with Absol?

[valid raft]

No chance, confusion will wear off very fast and trigger Resilience

[rigid hare]

Another L for the best dark type 😔

[humble gyro]

i got galarian moltres

[valid raft]

Possible, but who else?

[valid raft]

Cerena you have right?

[humble gyro]

greninja? yeah

[valid raft]

https://youtu.be/YXP1TxdlATA?si=4vM_N9whKkMjEQc5

[idle elm]

There we go , I would have had this done an half an hour ago but Grimsley flinched the Mewtwo at the worse possible time , he immediately went into his trainer move the second time and wreck Zapdos before I could snatch

[orchid bridge]

I used the same team too, pretty much avoid dark pulse. Grimsley mainly there for snatch anyway

[paper mural]

He's actually not as bad as ppl thought he would be (at least not Nita lv), and has quite many offtype clears like electric, ice and fairy.

[orchid bridge]

Yeah, I think Nita one is just overcooked

Other UB has clear units to counter their gimmick

[valid raft]

He would be bad if he had Anabel's main gimmick

[orchid bridge]

Where Nita one is hard even if you own Irida and NC Red

[lunar sedge]

Irida should've had a -2 speed on icy wind

[valid raft]

Nah, it's just that mitigation passives are worse than them hitting hard

[valid raft]

You mean Double Drop

[orchid bridge]

Her lucky skills trust

[humble gyro]

Grids?

[lunar sedge]

Pretty much but put it under a unique passive

[rigid hare]

Guys, is it possible to beat Giovanni with Stakataka Nihilego and a third? Asking for a friend

[lunar sedge]

I love chip damage basically doing 7% each time for me

[true lagoon]

you can leech crit buffs too unless he has steady aim

[rigid pivot]

You can’t leech sure crit

[true lagoon]

oh

ew

i forgot they started doing that instead

[rigid pivot]

Yeah that’s what I mean lol

So I’m kinda stuck

[grizzled portal]

His sync hits so hard

[covert marlin]

finally beat Giovanni with NC Blue, SST Red and SS Misty

[broken crag]

done

sceptilefan once again proved rats can beat UB

[valid raft]

Except if it involves weather

[broken crag]

[grizzled portal]

What an annoying ub

[humble gyro]

i failed, 2nd EQ destroyed me

Zapdos never flinched anything

share grids pease

[broken crag]

the gears

made it alot easier for me prob

the extra damage boost really helped

[shut trellis]

One attempt, sstred nc blue and ss misty attempt had giovanni at 1 hp and nc blue and sstred couldn't dps him down with discharge and thundershock. I'm using electric gear

second attempt terrain ended at 28% hp

[humble gyro]

2nd sync fucked me up

the accuracy drops are so annoying

how are people battling the accuracy drops?

[valid raft]

You know what's ironic about this UB?

[broken crag]

i had to reset the first time cuz sst red missed half the time

[valid raft]

You're using the power of darkness to defeat an evil man

[valid raft]

Why not grid him for Piercing Gaze?

[humble gyro]

cant find a team to beat this shit

[broken crag]

because i followed scpetilefans grid

and he didnt use it

[humble gyro]

do you have the grids for the Cerena team?

[valid raft]

Ah Rafa's grid

[valid raft]

Who's team?

[broken crag]

ash never missed

[valid raft]

Mine?

[broken crag]

that was the key

[valid raft]

He never misses anyways

[humble gyro]

the 2 greninjas and moltres

[broken crag]

its criminal that sst red doesnt have defauly piercing gaze

[valid raft]

Oh, that I don't know. You'll probably have to ask them by commenting

[humble gyro]

h,, a,right

[modest orchid]

What the gimmicks for Gio?

[grizzled portal]

Finally done I can rest

[grizzled portal]

You need field effects and someone to snatch / haze away his insane self buffing

Vigilance on all units because of sure crit

The sides will debuff your accuracy too

[modest orchid]

Wow this seems obnoxious lol

[grizzled portal]

It's fairly difficult

[modest orchid]

Something like SS Morty, Lodge Gladion, NC Marnie?

[grizzled portal]

Lodge gladion is a popular pick, not sure about ss morty

[valid raft]

• Buffs hella much with multipliers
• 3x defensive stats if no field
• You push the thresholds, you trigger Gio's special TMs
• Sides have Discombobulate 9 + Double Drop + Ripple Effect

[grizzled portal]

Akari is being used due to her dark field

[modest orchid]

Yeah I just don’t have her EX’d or Roled

[valid raft]

Oh, and sides constantly buff the team as well with offensive stats

[modest orchid]

Ok so finish it quickly if possible lol

[valid raft]

You can technically go to 2nd sync if you have the counters

[grizzled portal]

The buffing is actually insane, nc serena can't keep up

[modest orchid]

I’ll play with NC Marnie and if she doesn’t work idrc because I haven’t beaten any of these early

[fading walrus]

Left side has a very annoying psychic on a roll with those passives too

[humble gyro]

this stupid ass mons keep mising everything

[valid raft]

That's Discombobulate for you my friend

[fading walrus]

Yeah either grab acuity or use a no miss pair

[grizzled portal]

Classic discombobulate

[fading walrus]

I just balled with no acuity irida

[grizzled portal]

Hard to use anything other than vigilance tbh

But acuity is an option

[fading walrus]

Because she needed 30% extra DPS to consistently prestnc

Vigilance is actually pretty useless if you plan on presyncing

[grizzled portal]

Oh yeah I didn't think that was possible

[valid raft]

I post sync without Vigilance

[fading walrus]

I used to do it too

Then I stopped post syncing

Because it's really annoying to get RNG checked

[grizzled portal]

Isn't pre-sync harder?

[fading walrus]

Yea

[grizzled portal]

Ig depends on resources

[fading walrus]

But with some pairs combo you can't presync

[paper mural]

If you're taking him down before his 2nd sync you don't need Vig

[valid raft]

Anyone tried Brycen-Man clear yet?

[paper mural]

The sure crit applies only before 2nd sync and onward, not 1st sync

[valid raft]

Fight evil with evil

[fading walrus]

He can buff crit with second TM before the sure crit all

So be weary of that too

[valid raft]

Just remember this

80% HP: You're in Trouble
40% HP: The Ultimate Power

[stoic lake]

how feasible is a 3/5 elaine, 3/5 akari, and a lodge gladion clear

[broken crag]

i wonder how many different clears we will get with different teams

[next sable]

Can somebody help me beating thorton with this team?

[uncut saffron]

Guys i got a new clear for UB Gio

P.S: Rat

[shut trellis]

My rat ran out of terrain

[uncut saffron]

Another P.S: Sync with Gladion when Gio's health is about 81~83% rather than Red to get more buffs

Lucky Skill: Vigilance/Critical Strike 2/Ground Guard

[grave pendant]

Omg this is freaking hilarious
I clutched it last minute cause his Earthquake after the big stat raises got denied due to confusion.

[shut trellis]

I think it is more hilarious that my sstred and nc blue failed to dps through giovanni’s 1% hp without terrain and lost

[uncut saffron]

Truly a pokemon master time

10/10

[grave pendant]

@quick grove

[lunar sedge]

Confusion clutch

How much damage does it do tho to Mewtwo 👀

[rigid pivot]

YES

I DID IT

[gritty vine]

Dark damage feel does quite a bit of damage to gio, bout 2%

[lunar sedge]

It's nice chip damage

Really help if you're brute forcing with what is essentially a striker alone

[rigid pivot]

Just had to get the right flinches at the right time

And even then I missed 2 turns of getting a flinch so I thought I lost but Serena did so much damage to mid and I got to 40% right before he sync’d

And penny is SO GOOD into this

I don’t know how the hell I’ve been able to do all these without nc blue or having Rosa or Elaine at 3/5 but we in there somehow

[grave pendant]

I did not pay attention to that, sadly
But confusion and DDF combined to allow me to take him down in two turns after (he probably ran out of gauge to queue lmao)

Or the AI was just being dumb as it tends to be at turn denials

[gritty vine]

It’s funny(not really) how in this UB an unwanted flinch can cost you the run

[exotic dome]

Most funny thing is seeing grimsley doing his thing against Giovanni and Mewtwo

Again

2019 feels intensifies

[lunar sedge]

Tfw resilience prevents me from quadque lol

[exotic dome]

Only day1 players will remember gio event with grimsley release

[eternal yarrow]

Ehhhhh that was something

[shut trellis]

Is that 4-5/5 akari?

[eternal yarrow]

3/5

[shut trellis]

[grave pendant]

I should mention my Akari was 3/5, SC Zinnia 1/5 and NC Calem 3/5 lmao

[shut trellis]

I’m working with type gear

[grave pendant]

This is more meant for #1255888121648644197 btw ^^;

[exotic dome]

Too much content to work around

[eternal yarrow]

Sorry wrong pic

[grave pendant]

I had type gear on my team, should work

[eternal yarrow]

First sync is NC Blue ofc, then Akari all thru out while dishing very good damage and maintaining field

[shut trellis]

Please post grids and ls in pomatools

[eternal yarrow]

Lol forgot to change Akari’s grid. Was using the DC grid in my run

[stoic lake]

what do i do when akari just misses the ceasless edge and i take all of my health 💀

idk how to survive a sure hit crit AND not miss my moves lmao

lodge glad would prob be better since i dont have to worry about accuracy

[humble gyro]

this is so hard without akari

[stoic lake]

even with akari you need a really strong tank it feels like

[quick grove]

Baller

[humble gyro]

i got the tanks but dont have akari

[eternal yacht]

So I'm trying to defeat it using the Double Greninja + Marnie comp in the replays

Except it requires a Serena Flinch Turn 1 + Marnie TM Refresh Turn 1 + Marnie B-Move Flinch Second Last turn

Which is 4.5% chance of everything happening perfectly 💀

I've been trying this lvl for a bit and have gotten close , can this team beat it?

[true lagoon]

did you check nc blue? he has impervious and that would stop acc drops because its ripple effect

[true lagoon]

it should be possible but i think emma isnt doing that much here

unless you’re also using it to disable healthy advantage

[broken crag]

doent matter lul i already beat it

twice

on 2 accs

[eternal yacht]

Yes and Speed

Just started a few hrs ago so still learning.

[true lagoon]

ok well id guess why he isnt running piercing gaze is cuz he ran impervious is all

[true lagoon]

hm that should work but just to be sure are you triple queueing

[eternal yacht]

Yes

[true lagoon]

hmm

[eternal yacht]

Also I save a rock zone on Diantha to use before Blacephelon uses his sync move

So he doesn't get extra damage from ghost zone

[true lagoon]

yeah

it should work in that case

[broken crag]

i ran impervious and acuracy still got -2 on sst red

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[eternal yacht]

Ok got it to work in 2 attempts , Tysm

[true lagoon]

was it an aoe then

[broken crag]

yeah

[true lagoon]

then that makes sense

[sweet fractal]

I guess it all comes down to haze mp refresh to beat it

[lusty flare]

I didn't see grids and skills for Frogs+Marnie out there. I just cleared it, didn't record, but the grids and skills are here for those who want it

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=013003065800&s0=3&l0=150&r0=6&p0=0&a0=13016403&t0=4444&x0=true&g0=AAECAwQFEhMUGB0gIyUpLC8&v1=000301065802&s1=3&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=13016403&t1=44444&x1=true&g1=AAECAwQFBggLDQ4aHB8iLC4&v2=024503014601&s2=3&l2=150&r2=6&p2=0&a2=13016403&t2=44444&g2=AAECAwQFBgkMDxAREh8hIygqLA

[plush gale]

My Gears and the Grids for Giovanni's UB also added a Defense Crush 2 Just in case

[humble gyro]

ty!

[humble gyro]

shit i dont have that much deluxe ookies

[lusty flare]

Do you have the guaranteed ones from a few gauntlets ago? I also don't think you need SP3 on Calem -- I did it because the margins were tight

[humble gyro]

i burned them for the damage challenges

got the skill for moltres

gonna try for Cerena

got it

[eternal yacht]

is it the replays one where you have to proc Marnie TM MPR and Flinch with Serena Turn 1?

[lusty flare]

Yeah, though I did not proc Marnie TM MPR in my success

[lusty flare]

Editing this because I realized what you meant on Moltres lol. Hooray for 2/2!

[tawdry sail]

I have all the proper units. How the f do you beat this stupid Mewtwo

These battles are honestly such a chore... probably one of the worst inclusions of the game

[snow spruce]

SS Gladion + SS Wally + SS Mina should be possible on Giovanni, right ?
I get that Penny is better on this specific fight, since the big TM buff is like the only real mechanic here and if you steal it - Mewtwo is a helpless kitten
But SS Mina + Water and SS Mina + Flying worked, so full Fairy with her should work too

[snow spruce]

UB is easily my favorite mode 1 short and sweet, satisfying battle and +300 gems

[snow spruce]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J_Wf9t4ZIOMwdlYEsIzgENDdYCut-AEX0pJiwbcIrVY/edit?gid=1446835045#gid=1446835045

[tawdry sail]

Doc never works for me on mobile

[low coral]

Flying had RNG that doesn't exist on Fairy

Not only is Cheren a better damage dealer than Gladion and Wally (arguably combined), they also had flinch and had confusion*

Mina can have confusion, but much worse than Skyla's

Water also had flinch and can debuff more

[snow spruce]

Hmm, what about Poison + SS Mina ? Their flinch is terrible (20% on Oleana), but their dps should be better than Fairy and also Oleana does -3 per turn, so she could maybe handle Giovannis TM even without haze
although the EQ is really bad for them - but Mina AoE Protect can handle 1 EQ and that could be enough. After doing the post-sync EQ, I think he goes back to Psystrikes, giving your dps time to kill

[low coral]

Poison should work

[snow spruce]

SS Gladion and SS Wally both only have SpAtk debuffs, right ? No -Atk?

[low coral]

Wally's B has Attack, but it's kinda useless for this context

[snow spruce]

Oh yeah and Wally has Devastation too, that multiplier basically dissapears after Gio uses TM. And Gladion also has has some -SpAtk based passives.
On the other hand Cherens Cakewalk is fine, since IIRC both TMs dont buff Gios speed

[dapper summit]

Don’t upgrade Costume Zinnia it’s a trap

Maybe I should pull for SST Red

[fossil fjord]

[sacred sphinx]

Omg SS Hau

[rotund oasis]

3/5 Bellelba?

[fossil fjord]

Yes

[humble gyro]

i got destroyed

[lusty flare]

It's a really precise run. You need to make sure you proc flinch with Cerena turn 1. If not, reset. Use everyone's TMs, then sync first with Calem, protect with Marnie, Brutal Swing with Cerena. Then you use Calem's B move, Cerena"s B move, Marnie's B move. Brutal Swings and Fiery Wrath until Cerena sync. If Marnie has TM refresh, proc it after Cerena sync. If not, it's okay. Just do the B move thing again. Then you NEED the flinch on the EQ before Gio syncs. You won't survive if you don't. If you get it and your DPS is good, you can sync with Cerena, use Brutal Swing with Calem, and Fiery Wrath with Marnie to finish the job.

Marnie should be in the first slot, Cerena 2nd, Calem 3rd

(Marnie taking the damage so you get the special move up)

[humble gyro]

i cant get a flich for the sake of me

[dapper summit]

He has won me two Ultimate Battles because i don’t have t bolt red

[lusty flare]

It's really frustrating, I know -- very RNG-heavy run. I spent a few hours before I got it. You got this!

[dapper summit]

Yep, just keep at it

[humble gyro]

this is os awful, i just keep missing

[broken crag]

rng

never there for you when you need it

[humble gyro]

i cant even kill the sides

[snow spruce]

wouldnt it be easier to bring any haze pair instead of 1 of them? even if it like Grimsley or Brycen
haze makes this way easier

[sacred sphinx]

SS Misty helps a lot too since she can use Mist which means your team's stats can't be reduced for however long Mist lasts

[humble gyro]

and the iother 2?

[sacred sphinx]

NC Blue and SST Red

[tawdry sail]

Finally

[gentle wharf]

Honestly

I didn’t expect Fall Roxanne to be amazing in another UB but here we are lol

[magic sundial]

any team i can make for Giovanni

I’m willing to invest whatever I have to. I just want to beat Giovanni.

I saw a clear with Grimsley. Is it possible for me to do the same?

[snow spruce]

@low coral do you by any chance also have screenshots (killshots, which show the very end of the fight) for your Ice team-Chase clears for Darach and Leon? similar to the one you gave me with Chase for Thorton.
I'm missing those two, only have old screenshots of in-game viewer - and those clears arent even there anymore.

[paper mural]

Fall Roxanne had a Nita clear with NC Red.
It's impressive that she made in there when most pairs just can't.

[plush gale]

Best to keep Restarting and you got the Opportunity

[humble gyro]

i dont think i can

i get absolutely destroyed

[buoyant ice]

what's the "most effective" team vs nita? out of all of em

been trying with NC Red, Irida, and Melony and still having a bad time

[small basin]

probably that but replace melony with chase or nc blue

[mental jasper]

Melony really can't do much in that team, is NC Blue available? that's a very natural substitution who also helps Irida churn out more damage

[earnest panther]

ok, this UB is walling me....

I refuse to use rats

[snow spruce]

@low coral I managed to do deathless Thorton with Ice-Cynthia ^^
https://streamable.com/jiygf4

current pics for the 9 deathless UBs, only Leon remains - https://imgur.com/a/3HxAink

[buoyant ice]

yes i got nc blue, was just trying to follow the one i saw in the doc lol

maybe it'll be less painfull with NC blue...

[mental jasper]

NC Blue in place of Melony in the team you’re trying I think is far and away the easiest clear yeah

[earnest panther]

Og the misery

i genuinely do not know what team i can do here.

every team i see have higher move levels.

[stable tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-the-misery-enemy-cat-sprigatito-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-gif-26114833

[rotund oasis]

no sst red?

[rotund oasis]

hmm

[humble gyro]

i cant make the srtupid rats work

[rotund oasis]

i had a plan of just using NC Blue + Ball Guy + whoever can drop wtz the longest.

like Akari for example

the problem with akari one is she gets -6 ACC :x

[earnest panther]

yea no, can't do this unless i candy akari or SC zinnia.

this is miserable

[slow sky]

If they don't drop accuracy this ub is definitely alot more doable

[earnest panther]

again, i refuse to rat this

[shut trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-rat-ratjam-catjam-ratjammers-gif-21929051

[slow sky]

Funny thing that SS Korrina works here since her shadow punch can never miss Altho her stat stealing move might miss tho

[earnest panther]

shame i only have 2/5 SS Korrina

[slow sky]

U kinda want her move to recharge if you intend to keep Giovanni at 0 stack buffs

She also can get +2 accuracy each time Giovanni uses his TM (for some odd reason his TM boosts accuracy)

Like why does he even need it when he has piercing gaze

[earnest panther]

i'll worry about this another day. I'm too overwhelmed by what i need for this battle

[slow sky]

[earnest panther]

i need a WTZ that affects the opponent's side. Ok.
I need a way to neuter Giovanni's buffs..... o....k?
I need to counteract Accuracy drops: Misery.
my dark type units are all 1/5. the only non-dark unit that can do this well is NC Serena which is also pain.

I'm just in this endless loop of what do?

i could do NC Blue/Cerena/Akari.... ok but how do i deal with both acc drops and the buffs.
I could do Penny/Cerena/Akari, ok, but Penny is ALSO 1/5 and can't survive.
I could do NC Red/Irida/SS Misty, Ok, but I have no tank.

[rotund oasis]

oh korrina would be awesome here 😮

[earnest panther]

2/5

[rotund oasis]

just need wtz though

[earnest panther]

I don't have the damage output for her

[rotund oasis]

unforrtuntely ;-;

[earnest panther]

I'll look at this later. need to sleep

[slow sky]

Korrina is pretty much there for chip damage + constant buff reset on Gio(unless u have a team that can constantly delete his atk, spatk, def, spdef and spd buff)

[rotund oasis]

yeah still needs a dd

[slow sky]

If his buffs are at 0, that means no additional dmg boost from good form - your tanker will last longer too

Yeah, that's the main issue besides debuff and zone requirement

[rotund oasis]

NC Blue can hold the fort for that if rrequired.

imperrvious, can do chip damage

(Seriously, who gave him this kit is really really ince)

[slow sky]

Ngl I originally felt that this UB was too much for me until I saw a team clear with SS Morty, NC Leaf and Penny

That was when I came up with my own variation, replacing Penny with SS Korrina since I don't have Penny

[valid raft]

Hmmmmm, kinda surprising I don't see any Celesa clears

[shrewd marten]

I have that clear I posted a while back that has no rng

[buoyant ice]

man, nita is pain

i give up for today.

[stable storm]

any poison gio clears yet?

[gentle wharf]

Holy shit really?

What was their third?

[paper mural]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt_idy5DFYQ

[warm haven]

Lucas role is cool

[rain sorrel]

Yeah, Tech units getting Support isn't terrible in long fights since you really feel its benefits unlike in shorter fights like non stall CSMM.

[gentle wharf]

Interesting… I’ll have to give it a try later. Thanks

[bitter lance]

Is having akari necessary to beat the giovanni ub ?

I tried using NC marnie NC blue and costume zinnia i still can't beat it

[slow sky]

You need a WTZ unit

Weather/Terrain/Zone

[valid raft]

Not really, you just need a field that directly affects the enemy like SC Zinnia's No Stat Increase field or a damage field

[slow sky]

Is zinnia's field duration enough to last the entire battle though, if not u still need dmg field or WTZ to compensate

[rain sorrel]

She only has one charge of anti stat up. But has passive extension but it's not enough.

It's why people knew it was built for Akari/SC Zinnia.

[slow sky]

I'm just glad I could clear with my existing units

[rain sorrel]

Same. I wish 1/5 Akari could cut it but nah.

[slow sky]

I didn't expect I could when I saw the stats and what the stage demanded

[rain sorrel]

What I really hate is the fact that his sidemons also debuff accuracy

[slow sky]

Yeah that was a big issue

[rain sorrel]

The fight becomes extremely more demanding

[slow sky]

My clear had abit of rng as my stat stealing move can miss

[rain sorrel]

I came close to my SS Misty clear and Haze/Mist never misses, and Penny's moves never miss so it wasn't an issue

At least both SS Misty/Lodge Gladion are accessible

[snow spruce]

Is there a clear of rat duo + Zapdos on Argenta? Dont see it anywhere so far

[valid raft]

Impossible anyways

All simply because of rain

[bitter lance]

Oh so should i replace zinnia with NC calem or SS cyrus then ?

[slow sky]

Need rain removal

Dual rat with a weather changer most probably

[valid raft]

Calem works

[snow spruce]

Argenta is the weakest weather UB, thought maybe it is still possible to bruteforce vs infinite rain. Guess not

[slow sky]

She heals with rain iirc

[valid raft]

Yeah

[dark dust]

I've seen skinny replacing infinite rain with temporary rain

[valid raft]

Like Anabel heals on sun

[dark dust]

That was pure comedy and genius

[spiral summit]

Rain:
PT:

[snow spruce]

yeah it works with SS Mina, you just have to survive 3 turns of rain

[bitter lance]

So NC marnie NC blue and NC calem or should i just use NC serena to replace blue

[valid raft]

How are you gonna deal with Discombobulate?

[spiral summit]

NC Marnie/NC Calem/Zinnia should work

Oh replace Marnie with Cerena

[valid raft]

That's literally my team

[bitter lance]

My zinnia is only at 1/5 so i'm not sure

[spiral summit]

Cerena one ?

[bitter lance]

The no stat debuff is just doesn't last that long

[valid raft]

CCalem/Cerena/SC Zinnia

[spiral summit]

Yeah, bc i did with Marnie when it just came tho

[spiral summit]

Do you have SST Red

[bitter lance]

I do

[spiral summit]

3/5 right ?

[valid raft]

I find it surprising that the 1st Cerena clear recorded in the docs on Gio isn't on a dark team, but on a water team

[bitter lance]

Yeah it is 3/5

[spiral summit]

NC Blue + SST Red + 3rd can remove buff

[slow sky]

I think you just got an easy mode there

[spiral summit]

Yeah

[valid raft]

SS Misty

[spiral summit]

Having SST Red and Nc Blue just open easy mode team

[slow sky]

Sstr is the answer to the WTZ or field requirement for the stage already

[valid raft]

And she completes the MF passives

[slow sky]

Plus his passives make accuracy debuff totally useless against him I believe

[bitter lance]

3rd that can remove buff so like hoopa ?

[slow sky]

Or SS misty

Any unit with Haze can do that as well

[valid raft]

Well, people have used OG Grimsley

With his Snatch

[bitter lance]

Oh well i guess i will try SS misty then

[valid raft]

SS Misty is like the 2nd best unit to counter Gio's gimmicks except that she doesn't have damage

[bitter lance]

Who's the first then ?

[slow sky]

She contributes to the master passive multiplier tho so she helps in a way

[valid raft]

Obvs SC Zinnia

[bitter lance]

Ah okay sadly mine at 1/5 SS misty that is then

[spiral summit]

Oh……

You might need 2/5 for Haze mpr for safety

[bitter lance]

No i mean the zinnia is at 1/5 my misty is already at 5/5

[slow sky]

U are all set then

[valid onyx]

Ss Misty used in Giovanni UB for Haze?

Will Lodge Gladion works too?

[slow sky]

Yea he should work as long as he isn't the main tank

[valid onyx]

Good to know xD

[sonic bear]

Hate Giovanni, always so close to finish then magically doing one shot because of 2 skills