#Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

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stable storm
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can you send pictures of stats and passives. Can't open the link

uncut drum
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Giovanni doesn't seem to be able to boost his stats without syncs

valid raft
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If Giovanni worked like Nita, then he's literally the worst

stable storm
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I CALLED THIS

paper mural
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Not random. 5 stats prob means atk, spatk, def, spdef & spe like in CS.

rotund oasis
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amongus also works, only for debuffing hmm.

distant estuary
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Dragapult? Ew, you mean SS Leon?

stable storm
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that's a lot

rotund oasis
valid raft
boreal abyss
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How many stats does he debuff?

uncut drum
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I think he's easier to counter than Nita

boreal abyss
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Asking for curiosity

rotund oasis
distant estuary
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Oh wait he DOES AoE debuff and I have him at 3/5...

valid raft
uncut drum
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Nita is also incredibly bulky sides

snow spruce
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Giovanni has these:
Move 4: You’re in Trouble Now! (Uses 1)
Move 5: The Ultimate Power! (Uses 1)

I assume they are TMs he uses before and after sync ? Do we know what they buff?

stable storm
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HAHAHA, what does discomb do again?drop acc?

rotund oasis
valid raft
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Yes, accuracy drop

boreal abyss
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So it's atk spatk and accuracy the stats he drops, or just accuracy?

valid raft
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Just accuracy

uncut drum
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This battle screams SC Zinnia

snow spruce
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accuracy drop can always be countered by that cookie that prevents accuracy drops

stable storm
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if the ub doesn't show any resistances or reseliance in mine it means enemy is immune

uncut drum
boreal abyss
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Downside up moment

distant estuary
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No offense meant but designing an ultimate battle for a seasonal is kinda PrycePain

valid raft
uncut drum
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SS Korriba can do it too

valid raft
snow spruce
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is there any cookie that lowers enemy attack ? similar to DC2 or MG2

stable storm
stable storm
rotund oasis
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I think i'll do NC Blue, Ball Guy and Ash o.o

paper mural
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NC Blue has Impervious, SST Red has Piercing Gaze, and they both debuff all the stats he can raise, so I think I'm safe?

valid raft
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NC Blue does have Impervious and Overwhelm + Satisfied Snicker, so he easily counters some of Gio's gimmicks

rotund oasis
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Does he have Endurance?

valid raft
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Wait who?

rotund oasis
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UB Giovanni

stable storm
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@snow spruce can you please send pics of stats, tms and passives. I can't open the link

valid raft
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Yeah, 2

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80% and 40%

boreal abyss
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Ew two endurance

rotund oasis
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Hmm gotcha.

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Definitely syncing with NC Blue -> Ball Guy -> Ash 😮

stable storm
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is that the second most ub hp ever?

boreal abyss
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Oh please don't tell me

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How many HP

stable storm
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wait, how often does he debiff

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*debuff

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780k

valid raft
stable storm
valid raft
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Each hit contains a Discombobulate 9 + Double Drop

stable storm
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they aoe debuff right?

stable storm
valid raft
snow spruce
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he is definitely not that bad with the right units (like NC Blue + Akari or something).
I'm mostly wondering which of the teams that have done 9 UBs, can do him also

valid raft
stable storm
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mind games ss hau, ss glad and who else can handle attack and defence debuffs?

valid raft
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Though there's the 10% chance from Psychic TabithaHehe

stable storm
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I think ss glad easily handles special attack and hau can handle debuffing speed and sp def

rotund oasis
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oh right

valid raft
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You need to debuff both offensive stats

rotund oasis
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can oyu paralyze them?

stable storm
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I was wondering who can debuff attack

valid raft
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If you have NC Blue, then easily him

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Assuming he's 3/5

stable storm
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does the enemy have anything offensive if stats are not up?

stable storm
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ss hau and ss glad handle everything except attack and defense

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@valid raft does gio require lowered def

valid raft
valid raft
distant estuary
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🥰

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/j

stable storm
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oh just offensive stats?

valid raft
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Yes

stable storm
valid raft
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They only buff the offensive stats and by 1 for each action

stable storm
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oh, hmmmmm let me check if I have anything good for attack debuffing

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Any high bp moves btw?

valid raft
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Hyper Beam, Giga Impact, Psychic, Psystrike, Earthquake, Mega Kick

stable storm
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ehh

rotund oasis
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oh they have Earthquake .-.;

valid raft
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By 2

rotund oasis
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but does damage :<

snow spruce
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I feel like sides arent a big issue - they only have 100k HP.
For giovanni you just need a field effect the entire fight and ideally debuff both his atk and spatk. Thats it

valid raft
stable storm
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only 100k?

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isn't that the lowest

stable storm
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sp def I can ss hau mind games for

valid raft
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Mind Games with who?

stable storm
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defense dc2...?

valid raft
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Then you just need to worry about the defense and attack buffs

stable storm
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grusha won't be enough debuffing right?

valid raft
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You need an AoE debuffer

snow spruce
valid raft
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The sides with hit hard like hell if you let them buff

valid raft
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Unless you also have a check on those stats as well

snow spruce
stable tundra
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UB Giovanni have these TMs, looks like Haze is pretty much needed

stable storm
valid raft
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And yeah, forgetting to mention about the TMs

stable storm
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oh god the flashbacks

valid raft
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Giovanni's TM has crit and evasion

stable storm
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I just remembered where these tms are from

valid raft
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Along with Discombobulate 9 + Double Drop

stable storm
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the co op event

paper mural
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Raise 12 stat ranks lol.

stable storm
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This is what we early poma players dealt with in co op

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trauma

valid raft
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Right side has X Defense All+ for 3 and left side has X Sp. Def. All+

snow spruce
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Thers no way THOSE TMs would be in an UB, right ?

stable storm
stable tundra
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Idk

stable storm
valid raft
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We'll find out soon

paper mural
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Maybe right before 2nd sync .

stable storm
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@snow spruce were you there during the earliest poma days

paper mural
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Nita uses her personal TM at that time.

velvet raven
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What do we know about the upcoming Giovonni UB?

stable storm
velvet raven
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I just know that we most likely need some form of stat reducer like haze

valid raft
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Giovanni is practically Anabel + Thorton v2.0

stable storm
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it's death if you let him use tm

valid raft
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It's death if you let him buff in general

stable storm
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Could ss glad + hau kill him before second sync?

snow spruce
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you cant counter those TMs without Haze or SC Zinnia buff blocking

stable storm
valid raft
warm haven
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Why this isn't Anni Steven UB

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We got robbed

stable storm
valid raft
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Oh wait

stable storm
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ss glad

valid raft
stable storm
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he reflects

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I am pretty sure I instantly die if the tm is clicked tho

valid raft
stable storm
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back in my day that tm insta killed us if we didn't use Brycen or grimsley

snow spruce
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a Brawn sync 9 sync is probably still survivable if you are at near full HP + not taking SE damage + maxed out defences
Brawn sync 9 passive is based on Atk buffs, but his sync itself is still Special - it will get reduced by SpAtk debuffing

valid raft
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Yeah, but it's also affected by Rising Tide

velvet raven
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So if you freeze/sleep/flinch that will trigger the TM which you do not want to happen right?

valid raft
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And also not forgetting about the stat drop mitigations too

snow spruce
warm haven
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How much hp did Anabel had?

valid raft
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920k+

warm haven
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Right

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Mewtwo have a medium high hp

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But looks like a low atk

snow spruce
valid raft
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Psystrike also scales on defense, so you really need to debuff his defense too

river prawn
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Time for SC Zinnia/Fall Roxanne

valid raft
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And it's physical too(?)

snow spruce
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psystrike is special, its just based on your defence instead of your spdef

valid raft
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Ah special

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But yeah, still need to drop his defense for Psystrike to hurt less

snow spruce
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his only physical move is EQ

valid raft
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And it will hurt a ton if you don't put his attack to 0

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Especially since Gio gains increased stats after mega

stable storm
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hopefully his tm is after second sync only

snow spruce
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do the sides have anyway to buff his Atk or Spatk? I see they can do def and spdef buffs, but what about atk/spatk ?
If not - that means those crazy TMs are the ONLY way he can buff his atk/spatk ?

stable storm
stable storm
snow spruce
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oh yes andh e also has "S-Move: Team 5 Stats ↑ 2"
forgot .. but thats after sync

stable storm
slate light
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looks like a job for 🔵

final yacht
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I will try to find some time to borrow a PC and update the doc

snow spruce
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Dont forget you also need a field effect (that affects the enemy) the ENTIRE fight for this too

stable storm
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ss hau handles that

uncut drum
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Cause zone affects enemies moves too

snow spruce
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of course zone is enough

uncut drum
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Then I think I'll use Cyrus instead of Akari

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Mine is 1/5

snow spruce
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Akari is better - her dark damage field is effectively infinite, even t 1/5

uncut drum
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Yeah I guess that's true, but no aoe sucks since no ex r either

stable storm
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I am getting first co op event flashbacks

snow spruce
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NC Marnie does nothing in this UB WEEZing except SE damage

stable storm
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at least she has big enough damage to burst down gio

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and protect to absorb a powerful attack

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why is that Mewtwo so fat

snow spruce
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its essentially made for Akari + SC Zinnia combo

stable storm
snow spruce
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I am gonna cope that he only uses his TMs right before 2-nd sync. That gives you time
Otherwise its too fucked up to try and deal with that without haze/SC Zinnia (maybe Oleana can do it..)

silver spruce
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Still no idea on gios stats?

paper mural
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Tbf NC Marnie is a plain striker with some flinch. I really don't know what can make for her to counter.

warm haven
silver spruce
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On mobile I’m not crashing my phone but thanks

warm haven
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but nc marnie looks not that good if you dont debuff the stats with the other pairs

fossil fjord
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I wonder if Arven + Akari + SS Misty could do it...

snow spruce
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Marnie aint bursting down no 800k HP. And she is more AoE than ST anyway

warm haven
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yeah you need both rebuff and zone

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calem is never tanking this with nc marnie

silver spruce
stable storm
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Can calem do anything here

silver spruce
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It’ll depend on how much aoe Gio does

bright python
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can someone summarise ub gio in a nutshell?

warm haven
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yeah calem + cerena could clear gio just like they did with anable

stable storm
stable storm
snow spruce
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Calem + Cerena will kinda struggle here I think, though maybe its doable

stable storm
# bright python can someone summarise ub gio in a nutshell?

if , wtz or damage field isn't up, YOU ARE FUCKED. If enemy has attacking stats raised, YOU ARE FUCKED. Especially if enemy syncs. Drops your acc aoe by 2 every attack. If he has too many stats raised, YOU ARE FUCKED. If you let him get to second sync without having buff block, haze or snatch, YOU DIE.

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he has 800k hp with double endure

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and sides raise his attacking stats every attack

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he raises his defenses and eva every attack

hearty cedar
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Nita single handedly stopping most units to have the title of clearing them all

stable storm
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he raises all main stats every attack

warm haven
stable tundra
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He is literally Anabel but more brutal

warm haven
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nah

stable storm
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I think this is definitely harder harder than leon at least

hearty cedar
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Gio would be easy if it wasnt for his +12 boosting tm like common

stable storm
warm haven
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anabel has double of gio atk stat and ask rain on top of the debuff gimmick

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she has more hp

stable storm
spiral summit
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Anabel has 900k Hp, but only 1 endure, and Cerena can actually nuke Anabel

warm haven
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and you technically dont need to debuff gio

stable tundra
hearty cedar
stable storm
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Could cerena do gio?

hearty cedar
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Probably

stable storm
spiral summit
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Gio have 800k but 2 Endure, and raise 24 stat with TM so maybe Cerena cant nuke

stable storm
hearty cedar
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Ss mina + c.serena + ludicolo should be fine

spiral summit
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And her Dark Form just worse than Water

snow spruce
stable storm
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I really dislike that they made it fat with 2 endures

spiral summit
hearty cedar
stable storm
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Noland was very fair and balanced because he wasn't fat

spiral summit
stable storm
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even with double endure

spiral summit
stable storm
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at least the sides here are only 100k hp

spiral summit
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You just lose 4 more debuff, lower dmg than Water

hearty cedar
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My stupidity will probably make me use nate + c.serena combo om gio WEEZing

snow spruce
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Cerena has to spend 1 turn just to use Brutal Swing so she can change her sync to Dark again

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every time

hearty cedar
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Not a big deal

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I did that against thorton

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Switching between dark and water i mean

spiral summit
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That is a big deal for Cerena

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She need debuff to nuke

hearty cedar
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And my secondary dmg dealer was nate

hearty cedar
snow spruce
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yeah her Powerplay requires -18 debuffs to max out or something

hearty cedar
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Nuke with dark

spiral summit
hearty cedar
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Who knows, maybe I'm oversimplifying things

river prawn
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Fall Roxanne, invert the stats and choose that stat block node in grid

snow spruce
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also her debuffs are random - what if they dont debuff Atk/SpAtk
Calem is a poor tank, he cant afford to take Brawn/Brain 9 multipliers

hearty cedar
hearty cedar
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Calem would die in an instant

bright python
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only in like lucy

spiral summit
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You know even again Anabel, Serena cant fully debuff her right ?

hearty cedar
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Yep

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Its a gamble, not a concrete plan

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That bs tm is just....ugh

bright python
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Honestly if it was just the TM i think it would be a normal UB

spiral summit
bright python
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honestly having a TM that just gives you apple cup effects would be interesting, i kinda wish they did it here for Gio and stopped there with the special effects
then they just fucking had to add the effects to buff stats each move AND drop accuracy

hearty cedar
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Calem tank is decent in palmer ub but thats about it

spiral summit
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I used Calem as a main tank again Anabel

hearty cedar
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You had dahlia?

spiral summit
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And let him died on purpose

hearty cedar
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Lol

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I'm glad that I pulled nc.serena in a clutch after hitting pity on nc.calem. I'd have regretted going for him first

spiral summit
low coral
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Gio does take a decently long time to use TMs

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And appears to be vulnerable to stuns

hearty cedar
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Nc.bianca's stunning may come in handy

stable storm
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not 1st

hearty cedar
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We'll be safe if gio uses his tm just before or post 2nd sync

snow spruce
stable storm
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800k hp is fat with 2 endures but he should be beatable with more comps if he uses his sync pre 2nd sync

low coral
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They're move 4 and 5

stable storm
snow spruce
stable storm
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Besides, no way they pull out that tm pre first sync

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No way

snow spruce
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If its before first sync then I just dont see how its doable without Haze/SC Zinnia

low coral
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That generally means post-sync, it can change based on if you use stuns, possibly

hearty cedar
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Move 4 and 5 means 1st and 2nd moves of gio after sync 1

low coral
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Gio is someone you preferably take before Sync

hearty cedar
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Who decided +12 smh. Probably the nita ub designer again

low coral
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Since Mega Mewtwo Y is wild

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It even gets a real stat boost

hearty cedar
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789k hp with 2 endures tho

low coral
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Unlike most Mega enemies

snow spruce
hearty cedar
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Not having akari would bite us in the back it seems

low coral
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Yeah, off-type it'll be near impossible

hearty cedar
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Dark dmg field will chip him very well

low coral
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Possibly Ice can do it, although I'm a bit worried on Chase tanking

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But then it's mostly Dark who can probably go for a pre-sync

hearty cedar
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3/5 marnie and 3/5 cyrus are probably not enough

stable storm
hearty cedar
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Gonna need their flinches/stuns thats for sure

snow spruce
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if he actually spends 1 or 2 turns using his TM after first sync - that gives you more time to kill him before he actually attacks
with Cynthia/Blue you are likely to survive the first sync

So maybe Ice can kill him in ~7-9 turns

low coral
stable storm
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what

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I thought he was supposed to be nerfed by weak attack

low coral
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Goes from 2496 to 2880

hearty cedar
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He doesnt get any def and sp.def boost if he has stat boosts right?

stable storm
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why.

snow spruce
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3k is a lot, but its still a lot lower than Anabel had (almost 4.5k)

hearty cedar
stable storm
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no , only in no wtz does he get big def boost

stable storm
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what comps look like they could do gio so far

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poison?

hearty cedar
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So him having stat buffs is just gonna destroy us. It doesnt matter "IF" we can survive huh

stable storm
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electric and ice

river prawn
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I do believe in fall roxanne

hearty cedar
stable storm
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true

hearty cedar
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Guys, be glad he didnt get his signature passive head start 6

stable storm
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oh god

low coral
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Most Megas don't even get stat boosts

stable storm
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that would be awful lol

low coral
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Idt anyone in CS, when they Mega Evolve, actually get better stats

hearty cedar
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5yr anni special is sharing the trauma from giovanni that the beginners had with the newbies

stable storm
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...

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Istg if that's the reason they made this ub

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so the older players could share the back in the day co op trauma

hearty cedar
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I guess the real treasure is the trauma we shared with others along the way

stable storm
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at least this ub isn't co op

hearty cedar
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If og grimsley clears this ub somehow then everyone in the game should worship him WEEZing

final yacht
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Some get new passives tho

stable storm
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Are ya all getting flashbacks from 5 years ago

snow spruce
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Its kinda dumb if you flinch/freeze Gio and because of that he immediately does his +12 TM on turn 1-2 .. that shouldnt be allowed to happen
I hope

final yacht
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Can we talk about how it's the 3rd UB in a row with ground moves lol

spiral summit
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They love EQ

stable storm
snow spruce
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well EQ is very popular move

inner heath
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they don't want the rats infesting the clear

stable storm
inner heath
stable storm
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rats probably clear this easier than most comps

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they can't stop the infestation

spiral summit
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Before Rats, Rock Slide was the most popular one

hearty cedar
stable storm
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I remember those days

hearty cedar
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Guys, the secret to beating gio is ||ball guy's clear smog||

stable storm
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getting mad at someone for clicking haze early

stable storm
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ball guy is gonna be godly here

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clear smong can't miss

hearty cedar
snow spruce
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rats + zapdos should be able to do this as long as the TM isnt used until turn 7-8 or so. But that also goes for most of the offtype teams
It kinda feels like this is another Palmer 2.0 dps race lol - the race to kill before TM gets used + the fully buffed attack after that (except if you have Haze/SC Zinnia .. then you get more time)

stable storm
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so gio can't evade it or make us miss by lowering our acc

stable storm
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Why is Giovanni so fat.

hearty cedar
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Maybe, just maybe, we can with morty + leaf + ss misty

low coral
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Well, the core is more Red + Blue here

stable tundra
low coral
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You still have a flex slot

stable storm
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could Ash burst down the last endure?

low coral
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Yes

stable storm
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so gio doesn't get to one shot tm

hearty cedar
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He could

stable storm
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ok electric should be able to do it

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sides are only 100k

low coral
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Preferably if Gio already gets to endure range that early + Earthquake puts Ash in range for SMUN

stable storm
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poison could probably do it right

boreal abyss
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Oleana sweeps

snow spruce
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Is this the end for the Ice team-Chase comp?

stable storm
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ehh

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Unless gio does it very early ice should be able to kill

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before being killed

low coral
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That's what I mentioned, EQ is the modt worrying part it to me

stable storm
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pretty sure ice has pre synced Anabel before

low coral
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And the Sp. Def buffs are a tad annoying

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I did do that, yes

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The only non-pre synced UBs were Noland and Argenta

stable storm
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huh,argenta?

low coral
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Even Thorton was despite the special damage nerf

stable storm
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Noland I get because lmao sync spam

snow spruce
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early UBs didnt have double endure

low coral
stable storm
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fair

low coral
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Since you need the second rebuff

stable storm
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ice should have enough wtz for gio

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the issue is surviving the 120% eq right?

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idt ice chase debuffs attack

snow spruce
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@low coral do you have any screenshot/videos of Ice team+Chase clears for Thorton & Argenta ? I still havent found those

low coral
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Thorton was at in-game replays at one point, but idt have screenshots

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I can do it later myself

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Idk if I'll pre-sync Thorton since the rotation is pretty tight

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But I can win for sure

snow spruce
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alright if/when you do - put em on YT.
I just need any kill, not pre-sync

stable storm
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I hope gio uses tm post second sync

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not pre second sync

low coral
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It'll be post unless you stun him

snow spruce
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why does he have 2 almost identical TMs with different names ? both do +12

stable storm
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in case we somehow revert 1

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he pulls out another

low coral
stable storm
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????

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oh right

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you definitely can't let the sides live

snow spruce
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is it possible that Reds 100% freeze will make him use the TM very early (like turn 1-3) ?
Because that would make it unbeatable for Ice team lol
... unless you paralyze him first (Blue, Cynthia, Chase all can do it) to block the freeze? (status doesnt stack)

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NC reds*

low coral
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Possible, depends on how the AI behaves

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Stunning is probably worth it still

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Since that's how you'll more easily aim at a pre-sync

stable storm
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Imagine if sides begin spamming buffs if you stun

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they have a bunch of x+ items

snow spruce
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I honestly dont think near 800k HP with double endure is possible to pre-sync on Offype at all. But we'll see

stable storm
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he doesn't have any dr if wtz is up

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so maybe

boreal abyss
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I’ll just go with a normal clear considering dark is among my weakest types

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Won’t force anything fancy to Gio’s UB

boreal abyss
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Not going to find silly ways of doing it etc

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Just gotta go with what can do it easier and move on to the next one

stable storm
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what comp

boreal abyss
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Ah whatever comp I can steal lol

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Feeling very lazy

snow spruce
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What do we think about new Nemona ?
better or worse than SS Gladion?

boreal abyss
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I blame HSE for that

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No idea tbh, I still need to look at her kit

low coral
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I think Gladion's better

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Nemona having Extend Range is nice, but Gladion's damage is much more sustainable

stable storm
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how will ss glad be for this ub?

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could fairy burst gio down

low coral
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I think Fairy will struggle

stable storm
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they certainly have enough wtz but no defensive debuffs

low coral
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Not enough debuffs

stable storm
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I wonder when gio uses sure crit all

low coral
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You're worried about that?

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Gio already has The Ultimate Power

river prawn
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Crit or not you will die

low coral
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That's +2 crit AoE

stable storm
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still sure crit all is even more lmao

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They really don't want you to live

snow spruce
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Gio UB comes out - secretly it had Headstart 3 SophoKEK

stable storm
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....

spiral summit
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Mega turn 1 Spheal_drop

lunar sedge
stable storm
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.....

snow spruce
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wonder if NC Cheren - Anni Skyla - SS Mina team can do Gio UB.
its kinda a ~solo dps team, since Skyla just debuffs. Might be hard to kill him quickly

stable storm
low coral
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Disarm 9 + Unfortuitous 9

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Not nearly enough if you can't get a fast KO on Gio, probably

lunar sedge
#

Gosh I really do not like how far down fierce entry is

low coral
#

If you're getting down there, it's probably more so for Sync Burst

#

Get Attack with your support

snow spruce
#

Fierce Entry 2 on Akari isnt worth

#

unless maybe you give it to her as LS

lunar sedge
#

The problem is I'll be bringing NC Blue and SS Cyrus

#

Is there a support that could finish up the last +2 atk and help debuff offensive stats?

snow spruce
#

what do you want SS Cyrus for when Akari already has both dark field and dark zone?
you are probably better off with a Haze support (maybe even replacing NC Blue)

slate light
#

sc zinnia x attack all stonks

snow spruce
#

I feel like normal debuffing might be bait here.
You either just unga bunga, tank, pray and kill before he uses TM .. or if you cant - then you HAVE to Haze because regular debuffing cannot deal with these TMs

#

oh btw Summer Hildas Topsy Turvy is GODLIKE here

lunar sedge
#

hmm i forgot lodge Gladion is a thing

#

he could fill in nicely

stone scarab
rigid pivot
#

So I don’t have sc zinna or nc blue…but I have 3/5 akari

#

Im not sure if akari can dish out enough damage wirh like incin

#

Or survive

#

Ik giovanni buffs a lot but I’m not sure who to use to counter it

#

Ib4 my og Karen

snow spruce
#

Brycen haze is gonna destroy giovanni

rigid pivot
#

Yeah but how do you get pass all the debuffs from giovanni? Like akari is going to get her attack lowered over and over again right?

lunar sedge
#

while there is debuffs so far i've only seen people talk about the accuracy debuff

snow spruce
#

Giovanni doesnt debuff anything i think (?)
his sides only debuffs accuracy

rigid pivot
#

Ohhh I was reading and saw someone talk about attack debuffs that’s why

#

Hmmm

snow spruce
#

you have to debuff giovanni
he doesnt debuff you

rigid pivot
#

I fell like the main issue is going to be finding a support who instantly doesn’t explode to gio

#

I just got louge gio so I can use haze with a support but…

#

He might just blow up

#

I can use either incin or og Karen as another damage dealer/debuffer and akari can do damage

snow spruce
#

Gios damage is manageable until he uses his TM, even if you can only debuff either atk or spatk (1 of 2).. preferably spatk
if you can debuff both then even better
if you cant debuff either then its bad

after he uses TM - then its hell

rigid pivot
#

So…og Karen with akari but then the issue might become the “everyone wants sync” problem

#

Does gio use shadow ball? Because nc bede is the only “broken” support I have at 3/5

snow spruce
#

Gio UB will probably get trivialized by one of the anni pairs kek

rigid pivot
#

Ib4 aresus is og gladion but broken

spiral summit
#

He has Ice Beam (1 use), EQ and Psystrike

rigid pivot
#

So yeah maybe I can try akari + og Karen or akari + incin

#

Actually

#

I can use champion iris if I wanted to but she’s only 1/5

#

Or bt leon too for dragon darts dps after the sides die

#

Hmm

snow spruce
#

Those teams are probably too weak tbh
even og Karen

rigid pivot
#

Oh dang

snow spruce
#

Akari is real good here though

rigid pivot
#

Yeah see the issue is I don’t have a good 3rd for akari, I don’t got sc zinna (though I want her)

grave pendant
#

I’m assuming no Sidney?

rigid pivot
#

Since I’m without nc blue as well

gritty vine
#

Nc Marnie time I guess? I’ll need to have a debuffer too

valid raft
#

Marnie along won't be enough

lunar sedge
#

Debuffer and someone for field effect

#

I assume the field effect here only counts damage field? Or is it any type of it

valid raft
#

As long as the field directly affects Giovanni

final yacht
#

Doc updated

#

Apparently Mewtwo goes from Lessen Poison 10 to 8 after mega, weird

low coral
#

Anabel's EBE has everyone's favorite gimmick

#

She's gonna keep debuffing accuracy

#

Also Wise Entry x3, summons Hail, and has 173.9k HP (more than Piers)

stone scarab
#

I hate it here.

exotic dome
#

And boosted pairs are paldea and fairy?

low coral
#

Yes, both

warm haven
#

Oh boy gio is gonna be he'll isn't he

stone scarab
#

Yes

warm haven
#

Impervious seem almost mandatory

#

Or smt similar

low coral
#

It doesn't need to be Impervious, just something that lets you always hit

#

Sure hit moves, Piercing Gaze, etc.

river prawn
#

Conveniently SC Zinnias tm also has stat reduction shield

warm haven
#

Yeah

stone scarab
warm haven
#

Also sc Steven moment to shine

#

And now we know why Averys bmove is like that

stone scarab
#

Problem: hes not gonna be boosted

low coral
#

Psychic Terrain summoner vs Mega Mewtwo Y LucasFLOOSHED

warm haven
#

I meant for gio

#

You don't have to use his terrain lol

low coral
#

Well, you’re forbidden from syncing with him at least

#

But he should be a strong Marnie partner

warm haven
#

Yes GladionSip

short gate
#

what are the 2 ebes' (not the ub) niche?

lunar sedge
#

do we know what the boosts the EBE have

low coral
#

Paldea and Fairy

lunar sedge
#

time for offregion SS morty

valid raft
#

Wut we talking?

lunar sedge
#

anabel EBE, for SS Nemona

valid raft
#

WE x3, hail and 174k HP. Now this is fun

low coral
#

And accuracy debuffs

valid raft
#

As if the rats would care about it

low coral
#

They kinda do care about Hail

valid raft
#

Yeah, time to bring in SS Morty then

warm haven
#

What does hail boost for Anabel?

rigid pivot
#

How the hell…I don’t have any fairy or paldea phsyical attacker

#

Except og Mina….joy

valid raft
#

I guess BP Valerie doesn't exist for you

silver spruce
#

Physical fairy is sorta rare

#

Marnie and Lisia are the big ones

rigid pivot
silver spruce
#

It’s like special steel

valid raft
#

And special rock

silver spruce
#

Oh god that’s right

lunar sedge
#

time to slap acuity on NY Lisia

silver spruce
#

Best being lodge Steven and aerodsctyl

warm haven
#

Tate erasure

silver spruce
#

?

low coral
rigid pivot
#

Don’t know how in the world I’m going to do this other than like

#

Put acuity on og mina

#

*valrie

#

Can’t type

silver spruce
#

Mina has impervious anyways

rigid pivot
#

Oh

valid raft
#

How many times does Anabel debuff accuracy?

silver spruce
#

Bad unit bad amazing ability

#

What’s the power boost on anabel just paldea?

valid raft
silver spruce
#

Gauntlet

valid raft
#

Other Alola boosted levels MinaBreak

rigid pivot
#

My issue with nemona even tho I like her (I got screwed out of ss gladion) is that I’m better for special, I need better fairy dps but I’d prefer special because I have penny and bede

#

Who are both better with special

silver spruce
#

Alola has better f2p for most stages

rigid pivot
#

So idk if I wanna pull

valid raft
#

Sycamore and BP Valerie would ball especially with Sycamore having Impervious

#

Just need a weather setter now

silver spruce
#

Is it fairy and paldea?

valid raft
#

And the only boosted one is SS Mina

rigid pivot
#

My ss acerola on their way to buff sycamore’s horn leech

lunar sedge
valid raft
#

There's literally 0 Paldea units besides SS Nemona that replaces the weather

silver spruce
#

How many times is weather needed?

#

Could do max flare Bede

rigid pivot
#

Probs sets it on sync again

valid raft
#

Depends, lemme see the mvoeset

#

I'm gonna write the rotation

uncut drum
#

He was awful without downside up

valid raft
#

Jasmine carried hard back then

lunar sedge
#

it's the second revamp of this specific acc debuff gimmick on a EBE lol

river prawn
#

Time to pull out Geeta

lunar sedge
#

SS Gladion EBE painface

#

funny how it's for another fairy type anni run up MF pair

valid raft
#

Funny how it's another accuracy-debuffing-focused gimmick for another anni run up MF pair

#

Literally 3 of them

lunar sedge
#

oh right hoenn VA was before anni

#

lmao

#

can we make it a 4 for 4 next year TabithaHehe

valid raft
#

You 4 for 4 on the 5.5 anni

#

Does anyone have the pastebin for the EB?

#

I'm gonna write the rotation as soon as possible

final yacht
#

Oh yeah what are Giovanni's TMs lmao

valid raft
#

His own and something called "The Ultimate Power!"

low coral
#

He doesn't have the playable TM

final yacht
#

Yeah it's not his own

stone scarab
#

Courtesy of the coop battles

distant estuary
final yacht
low coral
#

The Ultimate Power is the most threatening one

stone scarab
#

Not impossible that they're changed i imagine

#

But like

distant estuary
#

At least extreme battle isn't as obnoxious as some ultimate

final yacht
#

Ball Guy Clear Smog gaming

low coral
#

You're In Trouble Now is also annoying due to Sp. Def, but I think it's worse because it throws away your progress on debuffing his offenses too

#

Like Nita removing all debuffs and using X Speed All right after sync

stone scarab
#

I'm currently running on the copium that they'll have reduced effects since Anabel's Initial Injured Ferocity is different than Lance's grid tile one

low coral
#

That's not how it works

#

Initial Injured Ferocity actually has a number depending on the language

#

Including japanese

#

Anabel's 1, Lance's 6

#

They're different passives

snow spruce
#

Fairy is also boosted for the new EBE? And you need a physical attacker ? and you need to replace Hail?
I'll be fine then with NY Lisia + SS Mina

low coral
#

Trainer Moves are unique, they don't have levels

snow spruce
#

how many EBEs are there this month ? one or two?

stone scarab
#

Two, one for SS Nemona and one for NC Galar

valid raft
#

Where's the pastebin at?

uncut drum
valid raft
lunar sedge
#

oh the galar EBEs are coming back? nice

#

does it have the same boost as before?

valid raft
#

Yes

#
lunar sedge
#

cool i can pretty much use the same team from my old vid

valid raft
#

Also, I think SS Gladion can still pre-sync Nemona

stone scarab
#

I could try it

waxen bear
#

This was the easiest one yet

stone scarab
#

I like my chances better than trying to figure something out with 1/5 NY Lisia or BP Valerie tbh

snow spruce
#

NY Lisia EXed should trash this EBE even at 1/5, no ? SE damage, full stat boost etc.

stone scarab
#

Accuracy issues.

snow spruce
#

theres a cookie that stops accuracy debuffs

stone scarab
#

Sure, still dealing with 90%

valid raft
#

Who's your weather replacer?

stone scarab
#

Probably just SS Morty

gritty vine
#

what are the things to look out for for ub gio?

lunar sedge
#

+12 omnibuff TM

#

Accuracy debuff, keeping his offensive stats debuffed

gritty vine
lunar sedge
#

It's a TM from the old co-op days apparently

gritty vine
#

hmmm so haze may be necessary.....

#

not sure if lodge gladion can tank

lunar sedge
#

He needs damage field too

#

It's built for Akari and SC Zinnia

gritty vine
#

hmmmmmmmmm

#

ok then

#

when does gio use his tm?

snow spruce
snow spruce
broken crag
exotic dome
snow spruce
#

3 galar EBs

#

4 total this month

exotic dome
#

Yup so it’s 4, I still remember the chunky fighting weak obstagoon

#

And the dark weak gengar (?)

stable storm
#

how bad is Anabel ebe

low coral
#

Accuracy debuffs, Wise Entry x3, summons Hail (70% DPS and Sync multiplier), and has 173.9k HP (more than Piers)

#

Boosts Paldea and Fairy

clever widget
#

What a fun stage

rotund oasis
#

Steel weak right?

stone scarab
#

I'm pretty sure its fairy weak

low coral
#

It is Fairy, yeah, it even boosts Fairy-types

#

The battle is for Nemona, not against her

#

The enemy is Anabel & Weavile

rotund oasis
#

hrm wise entry x3, so no penny allowed, but NY Lisia might be good.

#

Hail on the otherhand is ehh

#

how are the sides though?

#

30k or 40k?

stable storm
stable tundra
#

We will see, but given the huge HP pool i doubt it

stone scarab
#

it could be possible

dim lance
#

looks at EBE

#

NY Lisia: this looks like a job for me

shrewd marten
#

Said the 5 honse havers

rich heron
#

We need to stop Mewtwo from increasing any stat TabithaHehe

broken crag
#

electric terrain counts as field effect right?

stone scarab
#

Yes

paper mural
#

For the Fairy EBE, ig I'd use Sycamore + 2 teammates that counter the gimmick & help him stay alive as long as possible.
Hornleech till the end.

valid raft
#

Will it be possible to pre-sync Giovanni?

low coral
#

We'll only know when the stage comes out

#

But it was possible to pre-sync Anabel, so there's a possibility

fringe stratus
#

NY lisia+ss mina for rain and fairy zone seems plausible

valid raft
#

SS Mina is definitely the best support for this fight

stable storm
#

I have ss mina luckily

boreal abyss
#

If the field condition of gio is literally Darach

#

Then I might attempt smth funny actually

final yacht
#

Gio is Darach with extra step

#

(the extra step is death at +12 stats from TM)

boreal abyss
#

Yea the +12 isn't fun

final yacht
#

Twice

boreal abyss
#

Ah what a piece of crap lmfao

#

Not once twice

final yacht
#

Once on all allies once self

boreal abyss
#

How wonderful

#

I assume he has unflappable etc

final yacht
#

Nop

#

He's got resilience

warm haven
#

imagine if he uses that tm when you flinch him

snow spruce
stable storm
#

"Oh, you are flinching me?How about you die instead."

warm haven
#

he makes you flinch irl instead

final yacht
#

You flinch then you steal

valid raft
final yacht
#

SC Zinnia can flinch as long as they have no buff

#

So she flinches to trigger the buffs and then steal them

valid raft
#

I mean, it's still kind of the same in the sense that it's a little bit longer to execute only

snow spruce
#

theres no point in using Cerena if you already have 3/5 SC zinnia
Zinnia + Akari = easy win

#

especially since Akaris sync is AoE - to kill the sides

low coral
#

Anabel, right?

small basin
#

Think they meant for the nemona battle challenge

#

Since fairy + able to change weather

boreal abyss
#

Very rough conditions for the ebe ngl

stable storm
#

Second time we had a tortourus ebe for a strike sprint fairy ss unit released before unit

stoic lake
#

if i had the candies SS Korrina would be perfect, steal all stats +6 and then prevent them from getting anymore lmao

#

In a hypothetical scenario where I 5/5 SS Korrina, would this be the best grid when someone else will be nuking?

valid raft
#

What's even her team?

stoic lake
#

for me its SS Korrina (1/5 lol) Akari (3/5) and Elaine (3/5)

#

also, i will never go past 3/5 for korrina, i doubt its necessary either

true lagoon
stoic lake
#

assuming that his tmove raises all stats to max

#

i dont see a reason to run a fortuitous 9 if her stats will be getting maxed by the gimmick of the UB

#

it still might be worth to grid rising tide for that 2nd nuke for the support sync buff + extra damage

stoic lake
#

not every

#

wasnt sure either tbh

true lagoon
#

i think i would probably still grid rising tide

#

instead of furious brawn

#

cuz u also got better prepared which is the same amount

stoic lake
#

i'll prob have to grid pinpoint entry on elaine because the sides seem to lower accuracy, which means ceasless edge might miss after dark DF runs out

#

Thoughts on Akari grids for Giovanni UB?

#

heres the rough draft

#

Elaine will cover my attack so fierce entry 2 isnt needed

#

this might be better idk

gentle wharf
#

Honestly I think Olivia with real support could take this?

lunar sedge
#

Lodge Gladion and BP Olivia but she's going to lack sand

cosmic token
# gentle wharf

Wallace: I’m setting Ghost Zone.
Diantha: Yeah for about 3 seconds.

gentle wharf
#

Nice

cosmic token
#

Really easy win. Just setup and spam. Diantha’s sync took a chunk even against his Special Shield

plush gale
#

I decided to Plumeria on the mix

rotund oasis
#

Healthy Advantage huh

distant estuary
#

Battle challenge usually ez asf if you have the latest masterfairs

exotic dome
#

They are really easy if you realise you don’t need to meet both criteria together

#

Just do it once with rock and once again with alola BarryPogChamp

rotund oasis
#

Funny doggo?

fading walrus
#

DC nemona

sturdy ore
#

any recommendation how to tackle 2 Alola and 2 Rocks for me ?

#

Should I pull Stakataka as I dont have any useful rock unit

rotund oasis
#

I dont recommend pulling for a unit just to clear a battle challeenge.

sturdy ore
#

hmmm what to do

stable tundra
#

Can you show me your entire roster?

sturdy ore
stable tundra
#

This battle challenge is quite restricted. You want to remove Ghost Zone and inflicts a status condition, not to mention the sides have double defense stat than usual

#

SS Cyrus is the best bet, you can just spam Dark Void and let enemies slowly die

#

Can you candy Brock to 3/5? If yes, do it and try Roxanne SS Cyrus Brock, with Brock gridded for sync nuke and Roxanne gridded for TM MPR at least

sturdy ore
#

normal brock ? or ss brock ?

stable tundra
#

Cyrus also wants Troublemaker 1 lucky skill from iCookieCrunchy for consistent sleep chaining

stable tundra
sturdy ore
#

my cyrus fortunately already have troublemaker

stable tundra
#

That's great to hear

sturdy ore
#

alright let me check

#

unfortunately ive run out of candy

#

as i just invested 2 of them to skyla

stable tundra
#

Well Brock uses 3* tech candies

#

Not support candies

#

Btw for Cyrus you want to click his TM once for perfect accuracy

valid raft
#

So judging by what Gakon said; For me, the best team to do all of the BC missions is L. Gladion/SS Diantha/Kukui right?

sturdy ore
#

should i got with ss brock instead ?

stable tundra
# sturdy ore

Looks like SS Brock it is, but he consumes more gauge than base Brock

#

How many sync orbs do you have?

sturdy ore
#

enough to grid brock and roxanne i guess

#

90k

stable tundra
#

For Brock try the sync nuke grid with Sharp Entry 1, 50% crit on normal moves help speeding up

#

Roxanne just wants TM MPR, you reset until the MPR procs one

sturdy ore
stable tundra
#

Yup

sturdy ore
#

alright Gakon, let me try

#

thankss

stable tundra
#

Good luck

sturdy ore
#

thanks man

#

this grid yea gakon ?

stable tundra
#

You can try, tho i would remove bottom quadrant tiles to reach Sharp Entry

#

MGR on Rock Slide also helps generate gauge

sturdy ore
#

noted

#

this is what happen

#

on enemy first sync

stable storm
#

when does gio ub drop

slate light
#

august 7th

stable storm
#

7 days till another ub that I can't probably beat

slate light
#

just wondering who my support will be for it

#

i'd like to use nc calem just for having a full dark team for it but i think deep down it's going to be BlueYea again WEEZing

stable storm
slate light
#

indeed not but i do have 3/5 exr akari so

stable tundra
#

Don't bother using Dark Wish anyway, enemies don't move

#

Use CYrus TM once

stable storm
#

Also you should be wary of accuracy drops

slate light
#

got sc zinnia for stat stealing and stat reduction

#

defense

stable storm
#

oh you have sc zinnia?

slate light
#

ye

stable storm
#

then you are good

slate light
#

1/5 though LarryDead

gentle wharf
#

So what’s Giovanni about?

stable storm
slate light
gentle wharf
#

Eesh dark weak

exotic dome
#

He’s really looking forward to have those boost turned upside down

#

Or locked

#

or stolen, beautiful penny

snow spruce
#

Support with WTZ seems best since you need to have WTZ 100% uptime

gentle wharf
#

So from my roster that’s… just SS Morty haha

shrewd marten
#

Everyone has a hater

snow spruce
#

Mina / Cynthia / Morty are the best UB supports for WTZ (and Mina/Morty for weather specifically)
SS acerola too, but she is pretty bad against special damage

shrewd marten
#

Hazer

gentle wharf
#

Oh wait yeah SSAynthia has infinite zone

slate light
#

needs to hog all the syncs though

snow spruce
#

she gives you ~5-6 turns of WZT at the start before you need to use another WZT from your dps
Later if you somehow run out and still need more uptime - you can keep syncing with her to keep it going (thats how it was on her leon UB clear)

valid raft
#

How many No Stat Increase units do we have?

final yacht
#

1 ?

#

2

slate light
#

only zinnia? MonkaScottie

#

who's the other

final yacht
#

Zinnia and 4/5 SS Korrina

slate light
#

yowza

valid raft
#

Doesn't Foxanne also have?

final yacht
#

True

#

Only 3 tho that's not a lot lol

warm haven
#

avery too

final yacht
#

Ah I knew he had it but I thought it was on grid

#

So I couldnt find it

river prawn
#

There are 5:
SC Zinnia
Fall Roxanne
Brycenman
Avery
SS Korrina

final yacht
#

Never knew for Brycen lol

snow spruce
#

does zinnias No Stat Increase thing also count as a 'Field effect' that affects the enemy ? will it disable giovannis passive that triples his defences?

river prawn
#

Yes

snow spruce
#

ok, so what counts for Field effect that affects the enemy is:
-weather
-terrains
-zones
-damage fields
-No Stat Increase

are those all of them?
Circles DONT count afaik

stable tundra
#

They don't, yeah

true lagoon
snow spruce
#

no crit field that Mina has - also doesnt count, right ?

true lagoon
#

it doesnt

fast pendant
#

Circle does count as field effect, but they're a field that only affects the ally side

stable storm
slate light
#

thinking this for akari's grid

quick dove
#

anyone did the battle challenge missions with free units? the free rock pool kinda... sucks

valid raft
#

You know you can do the missions separately right?

#

But yeah, the free rock units suck major ass

#

Also Wallace has Wise Entry x2

quick dove
#

I know, far from me to try doing it with both alola and rock, it's already tough due to having to get around healthy benefits as well

valid raft
#

And you need to status them and replace ghost zone

#

Lodge Gladion can counter Healthy Advantage, now just need to find someone who can replace that ghost zone

quick dove
#

oh, i have sygna suit lana

velvet raven
valid raft
quick dove
#

i think i got it covered for alola at least

#

then i got nothing

valid raft
#

Only the same type of field can override it

#

Unless you want to use Defog

velvet raven
#

who can also status

quick dove
#

probably the legendary adventures ghetsis

valid raft
#

Why not just use Lodge Gladion?

#

Unless you don't have him

quick dove
#

i dont have it

#

i dont even remember if i have regular gladion

valid raft
#

Plumeria?

quick dove
#

i have regular plumeria ya

#

does she have poison zone in her grid or something

#

she's 1/5 LarryDead

valid raft
#

Well, she's obviously out of the equation

quick dove
#

eh, thats okay, i'll go have lunch, gonna think about it later

#

even if i have to use courtney

valid raft
#

Well, I guess Hau is the only option to counter Healthy Advantage

stable tundra
#

Can you show us your whole roster? You can rely on support to inflict a status

paper mural
#

If you have good tank in the team, zones are NOT really that dangerous in this stage so don't really need to replace it.
Alternative Defog is another f2p choice to clear zones instead of replacing them.

fading walrus
#

If you have DC Nemona the BC is quite chill

quick dove
quick dove
quick dove
paper mural
#

My clear was BP Olivia, OG Olivia and OG Sophocles, and both BP Olivia and OG Olivia don't have EX.

lean minnow
#

which of these alola characters could be able to beat the ultra beast sprint coin challenge?

pliant jewel
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Did you try with Cheren as the dps, lana + acerola?

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Not sure if you have Lillie?

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lillie can heal herself

lean minnow
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yeah the ones not included in the screenshot are lilie/ Kahili/ Mina

pliant jewel
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Oh actually, I realize you have Plumeria.

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She can flinch at a lower rate, but she also poisons the target. Posioning them will allow Cheren to deal more damage.

lean minnow
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my plumeria is 1/5 move lvl how does she flinch?

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prob through sync grid no

paper mural
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You can use Sophocles. Paralysis + flinch + full grid access.

pliant jewel
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yea it's 2/5

lean minnow
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ok ill try sophocles

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whos my 3rd?

pliant jewel
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Lillie or Lana to tank.

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are both 1/5?

lean minnow
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yeah sadly, i only started around 1,5 months ago

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wait actually lilie si 2/5

paper mural
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You don't have any BP tickets?
BP Olivia would be the best imo.

lean minnow
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no i dont have any tickets left sadly

sturdy ore
paper mural
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It lasts 18 days so you might get 1 ticket before it ends.

sturdy ore
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as sleep doesnt prevent them from doing sync move

paper mural
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I just checked and SS Cyrus can 100% make sure they never sync.

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Need to chain Dark Void every turns and never click SS Cyrus's other moves though, which requires fast gauge so you should grid Roxanne's TM MPR to max team speed.

lean minnow
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thx guys i beat it with sophocles flinching and paralyzing

sturdy ore
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noted

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i tried spamming dark void but i dont know what i did wrong, the enemy still manage to sync

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i did get to do 2 sync move before tho

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and i always do triple queue, do 3 move in a row, 3 times, and sync, then repeat

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but the enemy still manage to sync

paper mural
marble portal
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How can I stop Argenta from curing Restrained?

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She keeps curing it right when I need to make use of it.

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UB, if it isn’t clear enough.

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She would constantly remove it right before a crucial sync or right before the move that would trigger rain again.

sturdy ore
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alright let me try again tomorrow

fast pendant
marble portal
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So how can I tell when she will?

low coral
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She doesn't have any kind of resistance to it, she cures it in the same time as amy other opponent

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Idr if restrain has a blinking icon when it's about to run out or if it was based on the number of moves used, but Argenta works the same as everyone else in that aspect

marble portal
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Gotcha.

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It’s just so frustrating to have the run ruined with that.

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It’s already painful enough since my gauge is on life support.

stone scarab
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i believe it's moves used

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iirc it's after the restrained enemy attacks 8 times

marble portal
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ah

echo atlas
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Is it me or Giovanni's DP looks scary af

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I wonder how many pairs can manage the constant buffs and the huge bursta

calm summit
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U think it’s possible to beat Darach UB with Stakata 1/5, SS diantha 1/5, SS Brock 5/5?

stable tundra
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Please input their correct move level and sort them by roles

calm summit
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Wdym

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Like who’s giving gauge support?

stable tundra
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Yes

silver spruce
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I don’t see what Brock provides there

stable tundra
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And he lacks offensive buffs

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+1 crit +4 atk and holds the team back. Definitely a dead weight

gentle wharf
stable tundra
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that's intentional for sure

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without WEx2 Selene will one shot him with the first B Move

paper mural
marble portal
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Checked the UB sheet. Any reason why Leaf is used with DC Nemona and Gordie?

gentle wharf
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Ah ok