hey thats actually legit
#Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles
warm haven
sour elk
Penguin gaming
warm haven
she regains it with hail iirc
stone scarab
Omg holiday nessa finally useful?
valid raft
Irida gaming
valid raft
Oh
final yacht
she starts with ice face on and from base has 2 use of hail, and she has mpr 4
valid raft
It'd be too broken if Ice Face worked that way
final yacht
oh ss dawn has danger and sync damage guard 
snow spruce
oh ss dawn has danger and sync damage guard <:RosaThink:815426654955503627>
unfortunately she cant activate danger guard on turn 1 starting from 100% hp
final yacht
stone scarab
Just use Lance's TM on her 
final yacht
I'm not inventing things, emmet was the first pair with damage guard right?
solar stirrup
how many fissures do you have to take pre sync?
stone scarab
I'm not inventing things, emmet was the first pair with damage guard right?
I cant think of anyone having it beforehand
shrewd marten
I'm not inventing things, emmet was the first pair with damage guard right?
That’s what I heard
Cuz his tm describes what damage guard is
distant estuary
Imagine emmet cope
jade marsh
piercing blows shouldn't work
it's not actively reducing the damage, it's like how piercing blows doesn't bypass the endurance boundaries of UBs
low coral
Piercing blows:- am I a joke to you?
yes
snow spruce
shouldnt it ? Ice Face is a passive
I think PB will ignore it
low coral
Pblows is on damage reductions
That doesn't particularly read as damage reduction, but I do think it works
As Piercing Blows works on Disguise
jade marsh
isn't disguise an effect though? rather than a passive
low coral
It is a passive
final yacht
We will see anyway
low coral
Probably because Disguise changes the damage to 0
jade marsh
oh
low coral
Endurances don't change the damage, they just make the HP stop going down
snow spruce
UB 80%/50% endurances arent the same as the normal 1 hp endurance buff I think
jade marsh
they are not
then ig it depends if ice face reduces the damage, but if it's coded like disguise then it will be
final yacht
Oh, Kabu is the only pair that has 3 damage guard by himself 
unless ice face counts
warm haven
nemona with rng hell can have the same or more
final yacht
yeah i meant without rng
(it's incomplete, i can't check with poryphone so i just did what i remembered)
shrewd marten
<:DawnNom:632438643935674381>
Not gonna lost
snow spruce
Whats the link for that doc?
final yacht
Pinned in #916852044692856834
tulip stream
tried exr ssa cynthia / ex sc diantha / exr nc bianca
sc diantha just aint killing the sides fast enough
she always dies to rock slide
warm haven
@final yacht leon alt has max guard too btw 
snow spruce
how bad would Noland UB be if dmg guards DIDNT work against Fissure ?
but with same low hp
final yacht
People would use Glorialt to bounce over the entry fissure
final yacht
Fine-ish
slate light
i don't think he looks too bad
final yacht
You need to kill him fast
But it's not as fast as Palmer
You have twice as much time as Palmer I'd say
Maybe less
final yacht
Oh, Kabu is the only pair that has 3 damage guard by himself <:SeleneLul:6113821...
I lied there's Ryuki too 
low coral
But it's not as fast as Palmer
Wait, why?
Doesn't he get a +10 PMUN Earthquake upon syncing? Lol
warm haven
Yeah and the fissures
final yacht
well first of, does he earthquake right away or is it x attack all
low coral
I think he uses X Attack All before sync
final yacht
and 2nd, at least you can damage guard or bounce the earthquake not like palmer's max move
low coral
Yeah, but you also need to dodge the Fissure first
final yacht
more bounce
low coral
Unless you're fine with duoing him
low coral
That's what not dodging Fissure would do lol
final yacht
all i'm saying is that flying glorialt is a goated tank in this
low coral
There's also Good Form on top of the Move Ups
warm haven
Oh yeah and he raises a lot of stats for each endure
final yacht
haze
snow spruce
"The more the user’s stats are raised, the more it powers up the user’s moves."
Does this only look at positive stats buffs to calc damage ? or does it also take into account stat debuffs ? (i.e. total stat debuffs get subtracted from total stat buffs)
final yacht
just positive
low coral
Only at the buffs
warm haven
It may be easier to deal with than Palmer, but Idt you wanna go there either
low coral
Fluid Fortification is the only passive that works on the net, I believe
final yacht
^
snow spruce
Alright. Still if you presync him (or pre-10x PMUN EQ) then Fissure is the only thing you need to worry about IMO. Good form can be ignored. Not like you will die to just one non-crit EQ from ~100% hp..
It kinda does feel like Palmer 2.0 with way less HP (but with Fissures and Endures)
uncut drum
I don't think Noland has Clutch Critical so defense buffs should still work here
Besides Champion Cheren or SS Ethan should easily melt Noland before he syncs
snow spruce
he shouldnt ever sync .. and if he does - kill him before he does the 10x PMUN crit EQ
hearty cedar
If we can kill palmer who has like 550k hp pre-sync then we should be able to kill noland pre-sync when he only has 246k hp even if he has 2 endures
100% to 80% is 49,200 hp
valid raft
49,280 HP to be exact 
hearty cedar
Deal 73800 hp and we'll hit 50%
slate light
zone + rebuff cheren nuke should do it easy
low coral
Quite a few teams rely on nukes for that type of damage
final yacht
fuck pre-sync UBs
all my homies hate pre-syn UBs
hearty cedar
Lol cant argue with that sentiment
final yacht
signed, someone who hasn't beat Palmer yet
hearty cedar
Palmer can be beaten eventually thanks to powercreep anyway
But its still too annoying
cosmic token
signed, someone who hasn't beat Palmer yet
Ditto. But I’ll soon have my revenge by getting NC Bianca
valid raft
fuck pre-sync UBs
all my homies hate pre-syn UBs
Weak
final yacht
I have 3/5 EX NC Bianca 
hearty cedar
Then how are you losing lol
final yacht
I think I can beat him now, I saw a team I can use the other day when updating the doc
low coral
Funnily enough, this might be the first UB where you might not be able to use Chase / Irida / Red core
final yacht
Red tank the fissure with protect
low coral
Unless we tank with Red and Fissure isn't used twice pre-sync
rich heron
Isn't fissure single target
final yacht
yes, but if chase tanks he just
you know
dies
low coral
also
hearty cedar
F in the chat for normal types that can't do shit in the dmg challenge mode
final yacht
I'm so mad about it
Palmer could've spammed max power crush grip it would be so fun
but nope get fucked idiot
hearty cedar
final yacht
where's my invert battle stage
broken crag
so sick and tired of UBs every month, I have the pairs to clear them but its burning me out
should be every other month or some sht
low coral
It's just one battle
broken crag
that combined with battle rally, etc
if the latter had skippable button i wouldnt be
shrewd marten
You don’t have to do it
violet frost
so sick and tired of UBs every month, I have the pairs to clear them but its bur...
UBs are a one time thing and its permanent content
broken crag
You don’t have to do it
if the ticks didnt bother me so much
shrewd marten
I finished Nita and Leon today
Since next month offers nothing
to make clearing them easier for me
Nita with ncblue ncred irida is trivial but that isn’t saying much considering it’s literally made for ice
And Leon is obviously easy with ash and friends, don’t even need to crit to do 200k
They should not be added to rally OML
I dread when it happens
uncut drum
Leon isn't too bad if you know how to counter him, which is WTZ + status. ET too but if not then status immunity
Nita sucks though. She'd suck so much in Rally
stone scarab
Leon isn't too bad if you know how to counter him, which is WTZ + status. ET too...
The problem is that you need a lot to counter him and he hits really hard even with his gimmicks countered
uncut drum
The problem is that you need a lot to counter him and he hits really hard even w...
True, but even still, he's not as challenging as Anabel or Palmer
stone scarab
Disagree
low coral
Leon 100% is more challenging than Palmer, and I would put him above Anabel as well
stone scarab
Anabel and Leon are around on the same level imo, and Palmer is a level below
sour elk
Palmer is a goober in my eyes compared to Leon
stone scarab
And Palmer will only get easier with time since his gimmick is the most easily susceptible to powercreep
uncut drum
Idk I never struggled with Leon that much both tries I cleared him
sour elk
Leon's counters counter him hard, but trying to off type him is tough
low coral
Electric just got a better roster than most types
sour elk
Palmer gets done by a lot, and anyone can tank
low coral
But I would much rather off-type Anabel than Leon
uncut drum
I hate facing Anabel in Rally since without changing weather you die
I think Leon would be less bad in Rally stages
Cause upgrades will help with tanking
stone scarab
I mean without statusing Leon you also die
Its just a little slower bc hes primarily single target
uncut drum
He doesn't hit quite as hard and no fluid fortification (which yeah countered by Serena but in Rally you can't always use her)
Though the same can be said for Leon with SST Red
low coral
He hits much harder than Anabel
stone scarab
His attack stat is a bit lower but his moves are significantly stronger
uncut drum
He hits much harder than Anabel
How so? His stats are lower than hers, and she buffs herself
sour elk
He uses Inferno, Blast Burn, max move
low coral
Leon attacks you with stuff like G-Max Wildfire, Blast Burn, and Inferno
As well as having multipliers
sour elk
Twice as much BP as Anabel's moves
low coral
In case you miss a turn
stone scarab
Outside of her sync none of Anabel's moves are particularly strong
Eruption is the worst and its split AOE overheat effectively
low coral
Anabel's single target threat is what, Sacred Fire?
stone scarab
One use of that yeah
low coral
Which is just Inferno but cut in half
If anything, the most threatening move on Anabel is Arcanine's Overheat
stone scarab
Her moves late in the fight are heat wave and bulldoze i think. Nothing much of note.
stable storm
rats probably speedrun this if the only fissure before sync is the opening one
that has a near guaranteed chance of working imo
so he fissures twice before sync?
shrewd marten
What is pwnr
stable storm
is grusha unironically the fourth best support for this ub
shrewd marten
We can’t know til it’s out
Look at nita I don’t think anyone was thinking nc cheren would be like number 2 best for it
shrewd marten
Oh
gentle mural
Noland Owner? Yeah everyone owns a Noland at this point
rotund oasis
Fly or die basically;-;
velvet raven
Falkner meta real
rotund oasis
I think i can do NC Leaf, Falkner and Summer Liza
velvet raven
Will NC Leaf have enough time to setup?
rotund oasis
PMUN+10 is ebough for Summer Liza to hit 200k lol
rotund oasis
Will NC Leaf have enough time to setup?
I think so hrm
pliant jewel
they should be immune to everything
stable storm
for psychic vs Nolan, assuming he doesn't use fissure twice before sync would deoxys attack be a better tank than nc rosa?
valid raft
Oh, it's psychic-weak?
tulip stream
woohoo finally
exr ssa cynthia + these 2
that fucking snorlax is more annoying than palmer himself
needed to use a SP3 cookie on keldeo
so many runs ruined by flinch
hearty cedar
Swords of justice waiting for another one of them to be their support
slate light
cobalion:
hearty cedar
Hope we get a terakion masterfair support
stable tundra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb62DSsIbiA here you go
stone scarab
for psychic vs Nolan, assuming he doesn't use fissure twice before sync would de...
i doubt it, he uses fissure turn 1 and you can't use protect with Steven until t2
bc turn 1 is choosing form
shrewd marten
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb62DSsIbiA here you go
This looks so overkill
Cheren and 2 nubblies probably clears it
left crow
Can i clear leon with sst red and chase? I don't have ncblue or ash sadly
left crow
What's a good third? I have ncrosa and nc calem
uncut drum
If Red is 3/5 then anyone really could work. Red counters Leon that well
If Red is 1/5 you'd probably want someone who drops offenses
small basin
i hate nita 💀
been trying to beat her all day with still no luck
got reaaaally close with nc red + grusha + egg lapras and she had 8% health left but earthquake hurt red a lot
silver spruce
What’s your team?
shut trellis
nc red, grusha, egg lapras
silver spruce
No Irida I take it?
silver spruce
Rip
shrewd marten
i truly thought ice beam would kill but after her tm it did 1%
How they get so much speed?
shrewd marten
O
small basin
I DID ITTTT
eggs are goated i love you grusha
dont regret candying grusha to 4/5 since i gave him head start anyway so at least he can full ramp now
gentle wharf
It’s cruel of DeNa to give us Palmer 2.0 a month after I finally beat him lol
small basin
ty ty
fossil fjord
I sure do hope gym gloria can beat this
I lost my faith in this unit after she failed to clear Palmer
loud adder
How bad is Noland looking so far y'all?
loud adder
And Fissure bypasses evasive buffs, right?
NC Cheren is the obvious pick for this, with Challenger Gloria in tow as well, but who could carry them to victory?
stable tundra
opponents have Piercing Gaze so Fissure always hits
fossil fjord
Honestly, gloria and cheren might be fine at tactics slot 1
tacit hatch
when is this UB dropping again?
loud adder
8th July
frozen meteor
opponents have Piercing Gaze so Fissure always hits
yikes
frozen meteor
It’s cruel of DeNa to give us Palmer 2.0 a month after I finally beat him lol
palm
er
stable tundra
chilly dawn
Lodge Acerola tanking
frozen meteor
glorialt's the best <:GladionSip:1208936502399344650>
exr when my goat
boreal abyss
forest root
Man I’m just not doing damage at all in the training event. Best I’ve done is 200k
snow spruce
I see Ropalme at nr. 3 in the leaderboard right now
stable storm
#1255888121648644197 has a lot of stuff for this challenge
you can talk about it there
stable storm
I see Ropalme at nr. 3 in the leaderboard right now
there's a comp that everyone is using(ropalme was the first one to my knowledge who used the comp). Just the grids and queue are being optimised rn
cosmic token
SO LONG YOU [Explicit Comment Deleted]!! I HOPE SATAN HAS A FIELD DAY WITH YOU IN HELL!!
gentle wharf
Now get ready for his new and improved version in two weeks haha
cosmic token
Now get ready for his new and improved version in two weeks haha
At least his HP isn’t as bad.
final yacht
Looking for someone to update the UB doc full time 
I don't want to do it anymore lmao it's too much for me
I'll still add the new UBs when new ones get datamined, but I don't want to add the runs
stable tundra
round vale
Am I missing something? Even if you hit 1m points in "Training with nemona", you'll only get 100 tickets. You need at least 300 for a unit.
stable tundra
That is totally normal. The free pairs are not meant to be immediately obtained
round vale
So if I get it right, it isn't a time limit event. Just twice per week the weaknesses will change, right?
stable tundra
So if I get it right, it isn't a time limit event. Just twice per week the weakn...
Yes the game mode is permanent
loud adder
Do y'all think NC Hop + Bianca and SS Morty could finally beat Palmer? Bianca and Morty are 3/5 EX-R and Hop is still 1/5 EX.
valid raft
Yeah, Bianca can be your tank
novel fog
You could use Riley if you don't have any other options
fossil fjord
exr when my goat
Striker EXR please 
final yacht
On glorialt ?
With an innate that needs rebuff but she can only apply it on 1 opponent ?
fossil fjord
Oh...
loud adder
Yeah, Bianca can be your tank
Oh, so I can do triple Strike if I add on my 1/5 EX-R Rei, right?
loud adder
Should I try nuking with Hop or will their combined damage do more than enough?
hearty cedar
What are their move levels?
loud adder
3/5 EX-R Bianca, 1/5 for the boys.
hearty cedar
Nuke with bianca first and then rei
Rei has innate inertia(speed) and hop's innate wants -6 def
loud adder
Holy frick that was laughably easy. First try too! Guess all the Aura Cynthia runs (don't have her) discouraged me from trying.
Thanks for the assist! Now I've only got Anabel and Nita left.
Speaking of which, does Morty synergize well with Red and Irida against Nita?
hearty cedar
Told you you'd destroy that stage
hearty cedar
Speaking of which, does Morty synergize well with Red and Irida against Nita?
Well one's a sun spammer and the other's a hail spammer
Just use nc.bianca with nc.red and irida
Like this
This clear is laughably easy too
rotund stag
I need some help with the UB against Thorton - Currently my best fire type units are blue (classic) and charizard from this mix scout (5/5), SS Morty and Shiny Ho-oh (1/5 but can 2/5 with support move candy), and I'm currently using Lyra and Meganium for the third unit (for sunny side up, shield, dire hit), but the stage is still hard for the units to survive. I'm guessing I need an attack/sp.atack debuffer but I don't have any of the other units as I see in teams who made it (no nc moltres), and none popped up in the few months that I started playing it now. Any help with the third unit would be appreciated!
mighty plover
I need some help with the UB against Thorton - Currently my best fire type units...
have you checked out https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J_Wf9t4ZIOMwdlYEsIzgENDdYCut-AEX0pJiwbcIrVY/edit?gid=0#gid=0 ?
final yacht
bro sent the wrong doc
rotund stag
No worries!
final yacht
DC brainrot smh
rotund stag
I reviewed the lineups (quite helpful!) and it looks like I'm missing all the other units xD (but hoping to get them in the future and crack that stage)
Thanks again!
Actually could have gotten ones like Irida from the mixed scout 300/300 but never crossed my mind
cosmic token
https://youtu.be/4xiybQiIoKs?feature=shared
I plan to try this later.
rotund stag
Actually scrap that thought, wouldn't be worth to get a unit just for a UB.
cosmic token
Actually could have gotten ones like Irida from the mixed scout 300/300 but neve...
You can’t get MFs from Mix.
cosmic token
Yeah but she’s not helping in an UB as of yet.
rotund stag
True, and as hyperstar figured I confused zoroark for irida with glaceon
cosmic token
Well now you know who to place high on the list for when she comes back
gritty vine
i dont want to candy irida to do the nita ebe until she gets a cake tbh
if noland opens with fissure blue has inital guard, so i could use that..
stone scarab
he does, but that isnt his only usage of it afaik
leaden dagger
So curious, how demolished does kabu get against anabel?
gritty vine
maybe i can work with nc silver for this ub, have nc blue do his inital guard, paulo use max guard with hi smax for the 4th guy, and nc silver deals damage
since its just a damage race
whats kabu kit
leaden dagger
The only reason I say him is the Custom cookie and fire rebuff buffing for him
stone scarab
you will still want to replace sun for him and stuff
he doesn't really do a whole lot for the stage outside of just tanking
leaden dagger
Yeah know that, irida, cerena, and kabu was a team thought but it'll get pulverized
fast pendant
if a team can beat anabel with kabu, they can also beat without him
stone scarab
yeah
he's fine to tank the stage's moves, but not really doing anything to actually counter the stage
gritty vine
how good is ss ethan against the sides of noland?
ebe
hmm i can see the rats dealing with noland ebe tbh since he doesnt have that much health
stone scarab
problem is strong ground moves
leaden dagger
Yep still not possible
gritty vine
problem is strong ground moves
Damage race then
bright python
i think i just realised somethng
with fly it's basically impossible to quadqueue
so syncing will be a lot slower this time around
loud adder
Just use nc.bianca with nc.red and irida
Thanks again! You're a lifesaver 
hearty cedar
fossil fjord
#1255888121648644197
subtle veldt
Shi my fault
fossil fjord
it's fine 
loud adder
Any chance NC Bianca can carry another team to victory against Anabel?
stable tundra
No, Nita is first battle where the theme plays
Otherwise it plays in their sync pair story iirc
loud adder
What trio do y'all think will be meta-defining for Noland?
stone scarab
What trio do y'all think will be meta-defining for Noland?
NC Cheren + Anni Skyla + a support that can handle fissure i would think
valid raft
NC Cheren + Anni Skyla + a support that can handle fissure i would think
Would either be SSA Cynthia or OG Falkner
stable tundra
stone scarab
Aura Cynthia is my initial plan
stable tundra
is the pun intended
stone scarab
Anyone with a semi-invulnerable move will work
stone scarab
~~is the pun intended~~
Smh
loud adder
Aura Cynthia is my initial plan
Won't Piercing Blows bypass damage guard?
loud adder
He'd better get an OP grid expansion that surpasses Kris'.
stone scarab
Won't Piercing Blows bypass damage guard?
No. Damage guard isn't a passive
rotund oasis
my plan i going to be NC Leaf, Summer Liza and Falkner .-.
stone scarab
Piercing Blows specifies passives
stable tundra
if Damage Guard Next doesn't protect the user from Fissure i will be sad
stone scarab
Since its whats used for protect in this game im pretty sure it will
See when the fight releases though
stable tundra
valid raft
if Damage Guard Next doesn't protect the user from Fissure i will be sad
If that's the case, then only Falkner is one of the real options for the fight
stone scarab
Nita too
stable tundra
valid raft
And we still don't have a Dig unit too
exotic dome
NC Cheren + Anni Skyla + a support that can handle fissure i would think
alt gloria
slate light
glora*
stone scarab
Not gonna lie, not a massive fan of the idea of tanking with a third offensive unit and a dodge move since you're gonna have to tank an EQ or two at some point
final yacht
gloria can tank a few moves
and as you said, it's eq, so the other offensive pairs will also have to tank it anyway
hearty cedar
Any chance NC Bianca can carry another team to victory against Anabel?
Who else do you have? She has few clears with other units so tell us your units first
loud adder
Who else do you have? She has few clears with other units so tell us your units ...
I've got NC Red and Irida for Hail
hearty cedar
3/5 for both?
loud adder
Yeah.
hearty cedar
Do you have nc.blue or nc.rosa or ssac?
loud adder
SS Kris and Lysandre for Rain.
loud adder
Do you have nc.blue or nc.rosa or ssac?
OP Supports are the only thing between me and beating these UBs...
hearty cedar
Do you have serena/greninja?
loud adder
Nope. Don't like Serena.
hearty cedar
Fair
You need a debuffer now
Might as well try ss kris + ss lysandre + nc.bianca
Is your lysandre exr'd? Tech exr iirc
loud adder
Yeah.
hearty cedar
Should be fine ig
Make sure you flinch opponents with bianca when you actually need it
loud adder
I've tried the team with NC Leaf but quadquing is near impossible and they die to the second sync.
loud adder
Okay thanks! I'll give it a go!
hearty cedar
Might as well try ss kris + ss lysandre + nc.bianca
Try this team, should be doable
So, how did it go?
hearty cedar
Okay thanks! I'll give it a go!
You won?
final yacht
"I'll give it a go"
shrewd marten
Well he is made for the stage
jade grotto
Nita was pretty annoying even with Rolex 3/5 NC red Rolex 3/5 NC blue and 3/5 irida
Can't imagine having to deal with her without 3/5 irida
Plus the endure mechanics are really annoying, lots of times I ended up getting a sure death sand sync because I didn't clicked ice wish the turn i triggered the endure
gentle wharf
Alright now I got Cheren I need to check how to use him to beat Nita
uncut drum
Well he is made for the stage
Sure but for example Serena is made for Anabel (or maybe Dahlia), but without someone like SS Kris or NC Blue she struggles. Same with Irida for Nita, though compared to Leon, Nita is so much worse
uncut drum
Plus the endure mechanics are really annoying, lots of times I ended up getting ...
Leon has it too, but only once rather than twice
uncut drum
Yeah because my only damage dealer was Red
shrewd marten
Well das what I mean is like u gib bess team is gonna shrek him
uncut drum
Blue is probably not needed tbh
I could've tried a triple Pikachu team since the one on the doc have them all at 3/5
loud adder
You won?
Not yet. Got any grid or LS recommendations? The lack of Sp. Def debuffs makes Lysandre near useless against Entei.
silver spruce
What's the rest of the team besides Lysandre
loud adder
NC Bianca and SS Kris.
loud adder
Yeah.
silver spruce
I cleared with lyssandre blue and kris
hearty cedar
Ye just use bianca's debuffing grid
loud adder
Cries in doesn't have OP MF supports
silver spruce
But bianca just has defense destroyer right?
hearty cedar
Atk & sp.atk -1 per hit in circle
silver spruce
no shit?
loud adder
Ye just use bianca's debuffing grid
Fluid Fortification almost nullifies Lysandre's damage because I can't debuff Sp. Def which gets raised every turn.
hearty cedar
So she pretty effectively debuffs atk, sp.atk and def
silver spruce
TIL, but yeah when I used Lysandre I had a hell of a time keeping him alive
The role ex definitely helps though
hearty cedar
Fluid Fortification almost nullifies Lysandre's damage because I can't debuff Sp...
Bianca lowers 3 stats anyway, should be able to keep up with fluid fortification
I used irida
silver spruce
Don't the sides also have good form?
loud adder
Could Irida/Red/Bianca do it?
silver spruce
or fluid fortification whatever its called
hearty cedar
Could Irida/Red/Bianca do it?
Nah you need a support
hearty cedar
Don't the sides also have good form?
I think they dont but I might have forgotten, look at the doc
loud adder
Nah you need a support
Would Kabu do?
loud adder
or fluid fortification whatever its called
They don't. Lysandre could KO them easily.
silver spruce
You have aura cynthia per chance?
loud adder
*Cries in doesn't have OP MF supports*
This.
hearty cedar
Lysandre bmove should pretty much ohko the sides with like 3 sync buffs and after his sync
loud adder
Yeah but it requires Irida to tank for the entire battle. Don't have Cynthia anyway.
loud adder
Use ss kris
I'll keep trying then.
silver spruce
looks like there's an elaine tank clear with ice too
not sure how needed the 5/5 is
rotund oasis
I wonder if its possible to one shot the sides with 4 or 6 PMUN with smer loza hrm
rotund oasis
That way i can focus on PMUN10 + sync with her
silver spruce
or are we talking noland UB?
rotund oasis
Noland UB
silver spruce
ah
rotund oasis
Anni skyla is 1/5 atm so ill be using NC Leaf for dps .-.
And debuffs
With Falkner as tank
silver spruce
I wanna see how alt gloria does as tank
loud adder
I feel like the only "tanking" she'll do is dodge honestly.
I'll run NC Cheren with NC Leaf and Anni Skyla.
Tho if all else fails I'll swap either Skyla or Leaf with Falkner.
hearty cedar
You need a proper support on anabel
Or else you'll lose
So many ppl won with ss kris as the sole support so you'll be fine
jade grotto
Leon has it too, but only once rather than twice
There are also other UB that have the endures, the annoying part is that if you miss te timing even getting 1 sand boosted hit can be lethal (kids like Anabel, but at least you know the moment where Anabel will activate sun while for Nita you should be sure that your attack will trigger the endure)
I cleared it, but just because I had the proper units at the proper investment
silver spruce
I feel like the only "tanking" she'll do is dodge honestly.
She also give more flying rebuff and sync accel once transformed with bounce
uncut drum
I think a duo of SST Red 1/5 EX R and NC Blue is possible on Leon
I didn't manage it yet but I'm working on a strategy to do it
loud adder
She also give more flying rebuff and sync accel once transformed with bounce
Yeah but that's mostly offense. I was thinking about defense.
uncut drum
like, I'm looking at SS Morty/Irida/NC Cheren, doable or no?
Might be, but I'd bring a debuffer support If Irida is 3/5 you don't need another weather setter
Nita is horrible
chilly dawn
My thought was more gauge and bulk
I don't have many decent debuffer supports who I can actually bring to a UB
and by that I mean "literally none that are capable"
silver spruce
Yeah but that's mostly offense. I was thinking about defense.
It’s a Palmer situation where they have piercing blows so a tank isn’t necessarily needed
stone scarab
this one doesn't crit as often though, so a tank is more useful here
lyric grove
Out of curiosity, what sync pair was UB Nita supposed to feature?
stable tundra
Irida is surely the intended star, some even said that NC Red is also a featured along with her
but NC Cheren counters the speed debuff gimmick better than Irida
valid raft
but NC Cheren counters the speed debuff gimmick better than Irida
Irida is the intended counter to Nita's gimmicks, Red just bursts down
You don't buff Irida
stable tundra
well Irida doesn't have enough firepower to handle Nita and the sides, so some people did consider Red
but not being able to solo the degisned stage is common in UB anyway
small basin
If it was designed around red i'm sure it would’ve required rebuff too
Like how thorton does for NC leaf
stable tundra
i myself don't consider Red at all
valid raft
Considering that Nita isn't immune to any disabling statuses, it's also made towards Red as well
stable tundra
it's clearly made for 10% freeze from Dancing Ice Beam
valid raft
small basin
small basin
Considering that Nita isn't immune to any disabling statuses, it's also made tow...
erm actually its for ghetsis cold snap 2
lyric grove
What's wrong with the leon fight
My electric terrain just disappears right after sst red syncs
valid raft
My electric terrain just disappears right after sst red syncs
He wipes out all fields when you reach 60% HP on him
And SST Red having field EXR means that it will be wasted
lyric grove
That's such a bruh thing to do
valid raft
Passives like Power Plant are definitely useful to counter that
Applies the field after the damage
lyric grove
These really aren't my thing at all
I prefer normal ebes or rally
And finding different ways to to these instead
Sigh
valid raft
And finding different ways to to these instead
That's what UBs are for, they want you think differently
jade grotto
Considering that Nita isn't immune to any disabling statuses, it's also made tow...
Expecially since you have to stun her somehow so irida can actually click ice wish since you can't afford to lose a turn of icy wind
jade grotto
I've read somewhere of a Nolan ub but I can't find any informations in data mine and I don't know how to check the pins
stable tundra
+pins
plucky swanBOT
shrewd marten
That’s why everyone’s been freaking out over fissure
jade grotto
> **See below on how to check channel pins!**
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attach...
They really put the pinned messages under settings?
stable tundra
it hasn't been that long yet
shrewd marten
Feels like it
jade grotto
It’s been that way for like a year now
It's a year that I can't find pinned messages
Damn it seems extremely hard
It has piercing blows too
Plus the double endure means that you can't really cheese him with a 999.999 attack
Not sure for what units is meant
stable tundra
NC Cheren
chilly dawn
Idk 250k is a lot when you have to presync him and there's not the sprint abundance Fighting has
And you're dancing around 100% accurate fissures
I feel like you'd really need to hit the 50% endure before your second sync
jade grotto
NC Cheren
They want us to tank with cheren, because the only thing that can offer to counter fissure is the semi invulnerability of fly
stable tundra
yes
jade grotto
At this point is better tank with Nate at least you can use the proper DPS with cheren
Don't know how brutal Nolan DPS is outside of fissure
Depends on when fissure is scripted to be used
If it's just 1st move then I guess aura Cynthia could work since she has sprint ex and damage guard on entry
fading walrus
Idk 250k is a lot when you have to presync him and there's not the sprint abunda...
You don't have to presync
You have to post sync clear
fading walrus
Depends on when fissure is scripted to be used
After mid dies
But sides have like
No hp
So who cares
chilly dawn
Idk 70k is usually enough to tank two aoe syncs
fading walrus
No
jade grotto
Yes but they should definitely go down before the center
fading walrus
Definitely not lol
What kind of weak sync you using
Plus you can just pile denial DPS on top
70k is nothing
Lucy sides were already way bulkier
jade grotto
What kind of weak sync you using
Probably 6ex Nate or anni steven
jade grotto
But I guess is kind like palmer, you can eat the sync but you can't survive the 1st move post sync
I guess it uses a sure crit 10 pmun earthquake just after sync
Unless you use wide guard or you fly/protect with everyone I doubt something resists that
And I guess someone should at least protect if you plan to dodge it because if the move fails pmun stacks don't get wasted
But at least palmer doesn't have the enduring bs
fading walrus
Palmer has more than twice his hp and much harder sides to denial
Also, sides can just fuck you over once he dies because of guaranteed crit piercing blows blizzard and rock slide
jade grotto
I guess I'll have to try it to see how hard it is
Don't know if the rats can work, cuz they are ground weak
lyric grove
That's what UBs are for, they want you think differently
I dont really know how to say this but they just dont hit the same way CS (be it normal or special)and normal EBE's do for me
I guess i like the freedom of experimenting with my entire roster
And UBs definitely aren't f2p sync pair friendly
So they're gate kept in a sense
Sorry for the mini rant
fast pendant
they're designed to be the ultimate endgame type of battle dealing with several gimmicks, there's a lot of room for strategizing in most of them and trying different things, but it does require heavy investment and game knowledge to beat them.
valid raft
I guess i like the freedom of experimenting with my entire roster
UBs are mostly restricted
Because of the gimmicks they have
chilly dawn
Ngl noland just sounds like hell regardless
I have a good flying output team (3/5 EXR NC Cheren and 5/5 EXR ASkyla) and that ain't clearing Noland I don't think
hearty cedar
That team will win for sure
Just need to escape fissure
F2p falkner may come in handy for that team
stable tundra
mental jasper
haven’t looked at the params yet but there’s a piercing gaze fissure and a +10 PMUN earthquake? damn
no way they give a UB fissure and keep it at 30% accuracy
lyric grove
UBs are mostly restricted
Yeah i guess that's why I flare up whenever i try them
chilly dawn
Doubt falkner will cut it
My main issue with that team is gauge
Cheren is a four bar
Skyla is 2 but there's no MGR and not much buffing
stable tundra
all of them have great speed stats and Anni Skyla gives aoe speed to the team
gauge is the least concern issue
chilly dawn
Yeah but it's only 4 and she isn't that fast iirc
stable tundra
no?
chilly dawn
NC Bede, so past first action functionally zero
stable tundra
that's why
chilly dawn
He uses 4 bars first action and then zero bars ever again
Bc you just trade FMN and TMs
And the odd Confusion to line up cycles
He uses 4 bars total and then like one bar per cycle
And the four he uses are immediate while everyone's setting up
So he wasn't the issue
stable tundra
silver spruce
I wonder if I can get regigigas to work presync against Noland.
chilly dawn
I mean I'll give it a whack but I reckon it'll flump
silver spruce
Sync max and b move output a lot of damage
chilly dawn
Lucy was kinda rough
Argenta is the worst one I've done
Thorton and Darach ain't got shit on her
silver spruce
Lucy can be cleared with most ground units
Thornton is rough without the 4th ani birds
chilly dawn
I mean I do have ss morty and nc leaf
And SS hilda/ss diantha
But also I went into argenta with mix red/adaman/ss acerola
And it was catastrophic
stable tundra
Nita too
chilly dawn
Bc Adaman and Red had no fething output
chilly dawn
First eight tries, the second b razor leaf never happened bc she never hit half
Bulu was 3/5
Adaman... 1/5 iirc
Mix red, 4/5 exr
silver spruce
That’s a free clear
stable tundra
tbh, even with right pairs and op roster, one can still struggle without noticing the minor tools (like Vigilance) and lack of skill and knowledge
silver spruce
Red does enough DPS
chilly dawn
Red didn't do anywhere near enough even with b move spam
jade grotto
Cheren is a four bar
Cheren juggles with 4 and 2
stable tundra
the only reasonable reason for that is you using 2 Adaman's B Move
chilly dawn
Nope
stable tundra
without saving one for later half
silver spruce
Were you running vigilance?
chilly dawn
On Acerola
stable tundra
did you actually replace rain?
chilly dawn
Yes
silver spruce
All needed vigilance
chilly dawn
Nah
stable tundra
because outside of these there must be something you did wrong
chilly dawn
The second sync wipes without vigilance
stable tundra
that's even more questionable
silver spruce
Yeah that’s why you need vigilance
chilly dawn
I mean it didn't crit
They just died to raw numbers
If acerola is getting taken out from full with vigilance, it is not saving the other two
spiral summit
Idk how you struggle with Adaman/Acerola/Mix Red again Argenta
chilly dawn
Bc Acerola has about zero special bulk
silver spruce
You use reds tm to buff her bulk
chilly dawn
Hydro Pump outside of rain was hitting for like 60, 70%
silver spruce
The sync is physical
stable tundra
Mix Red has spdef buff on his TM + spatk debuff
spiral summit
Do you even have gear for them ?
spiral summit
For all 3 ?
chilly dawn
Yeah
spiral summit
Can you record your gameplay?
chilly dawn
One slot is a bit naffed but the buffs there are minimal anyway
I cleared it once, I am not touching it again
Idk what sorcery happened for that run
chilly dawn
But yeah I think Acerola died on the actual clear too
Lucy took like four goes and NC Leaf/SS Morty
low coral
Acerola / Red / Adaman don't even have to take first sync from Argenta
low coral
Output isn't the problem, maybe the turn order
Because, like I said, the output for the comp is high enough to pre-sync it
chilly dawn
First sync acerola, second red, third... Usually red again to clear the sides.
low coral
And where's Adaman's sync?
chilly dawn
Fourth and after
stable tundra
Red doesn't need to sync to clear sides
low coral
Just do Acerola into Adaman
low coral
Are you running Green Thumb on Acerola?
chilly dawn
Acerola's is gone long before second sync and you can't afford to pop the max move that early
The reset on first sync, yes
Idr what the tile is called, only what it does
low coral
Then duration shouldn't be a problem
chilly dawn
It runs out before the second sync
low coral
Then your game is bugged
chilly dawn
Largely bc acerola is popping two b swords dances in there still
And red is using b frenzy plant
low coral
Because a Terrain with extension shouldn't run out without a Sync
low coral
Acerola has a innate extension 5
chilly dawn
... If that's extension 5 I'd hate to see how short the normal one is
spiral summit
@chilly dawn i dont know how you even struggle with this, Acerola with +4 SpDef tank HydroPump fine
chilly dawn
Her entry terrain is gone by first sync even with optimal sets
spiral summit
This is just a really easy clear
low coral
Are you spamming Swords Dance?
chilly dawn
TM first, then swords dance
low coral
Just use Bullet Seed
chilly dawn
Tbh her bullet seed hits for like, 2, I didn't think it mattered
river prawn
Grass move recovers hp under grassy terrain
spiral summit
From grassy terrain
chilly dawn
It actually does that?
river prawn
That is why that team is so hard to kill
chilly dawn
I've never seen that happen at all
low coral
Always did
spiral summit
That why using SD is bad
low coral
You literally see it when Red and Adaman move there lol
chilly dawn
Adaman spends half the fight on half health
spiral summit
Adaman spends half the fight on half health
How ? 
chilly dawn
Yeah, them
valid raft
Yes
spiral summit
And Red already kill sidemon
low coral
Yeah, that's why it's easy to tank Argenta even after 2nd sync
chilly dawn
They did not die fast on my run
low coral
Since she only hits the Vigilance tank
chilly dawn
Like red took till after second and sometimes the third sync to kill them
Especially if he was using TMs and whatnot
spiral summit
<@188057445430591488> i dont know how you even struggle with this, Acerola with ...
@chilly dawn my Adaman and Red had almost 100% hp, idk why your Adaman had 50% Hp like you said
low coral
Are you running Dirty Fighting 3 with Witty Hit 4?
spiral summit
Are you running Dirty Fighting 3 with Witty Hit 4?
Red doesn’t need this to destroy Argenta
chilly dawn
This is the grid he had/has
stable tundra
no need to run sync multipliers because he doesn't need to sync
chilly dawn
He syncs second to keep field up
valid raft
Yeah, the damage gained from B Swords Dance is too little far Adaman anyways
spiral summit
Remember in Argenta fight, there is a visual bug for Grassy Terrain
chilly dawn
It was more burning buttons on acerola
She needs something to do while waiting to clear rain
chilly dawn
Apparently I 3/5ed him for this, just checked
silver spruce
Still should be a cakewalk though
Then it’s a free clear it sounds like your acerola grid is bad
spiral summit
Yup, that still a free clear
stable tundra
and that shouldn't happen at all
spiral summit
I’ll say it again …. HOW ?
chilly dawn
Probably from using SD to burn actions
spiral summit
That surely your gameplay problem
spiral summit
Probably from using SD to burn actions
And BulletSeed heals Acerola too
chilly dawn
Yes well I wasn't aware grassy terrain healed bc I've never seen that heal proc
spiral summit
Did you even click Red’s Tm for Acerola ?
chilly dawn
Once to start bc otherwise the three chain failed
And then again later for the gradual to keep her alive
Red was playing healer as much as dps
stable tundra
the more i follow this convo, the more 
i become
chilly dawn
Should probably also say that these are their general purpose grids
I never got round to making grids for the UB
That might explain some of it
silver spruce
Those grids are what I used with red as the DPS and fine
chilly dawn
I also don't use acerola outside of CSMM so I barely know how any of her stuff works
silver spruce
I’m starting to agree with @spiral summit
chilly dawn
Mostly bc that has adaman rebuffing and erika nuking from orbit
But yeah Argenta was the worst one I did
Compared to lucy/darach/thorton though
Obviously the uncleared ones are harder, or I'd have cleared them
Sod knows I've tried anabel's
silver spruce
Anabel is hard without Serena or dahlia
chilly dawn
I have NC serena
she just refuses to roll offense drops
so every time they end up with like -6 acc/eva but +4 atk/spatk
her output is also pretty poor without like 3+ sync boosts behind her sync
she really needs another dps
and/or a more reliable debuffer
stable tundra
spiral summit
chilly dawn
like my anabel runs go one of two ways
either she gets second sync and everyone dies
or we kill her just before and the full-health sides proceed to AoE nuke the team into oblivion
silver spruce
Does you ss Kris and eusine / dahlia?
silver spruce
Dojo Gloria even?
chilly dawn
tried NC Calem, tried Elio after someone's guide, tried someone else I've forgotten
I did try dojoria, went the same way
stable tundra
SS Kris, Serena and May is a very easy team
chilly dawn
that was the other one, dojoria
stable tundra
you can slap VIgilance on everyone just in case
chilly dawn
it might need may tbh
half the issue is that NC Serena can't afford to target the sides at all
chilly dawn
I think someone talked me into elio after
stable tundra
with May cheaping sides and SS Kris' healin
silver spruce
Why not forego Kris sync to target sides with first sync?
chilly dawn
SS Kris does not have much healing
stable tundra
i did suggest Vigilance because of that
her healing is great
just grid healing tiles
chilly dawn
you have like, 3 MPAs
stable tundra
idk but this is more like personal issue at this point
chilly dawn
even with full healing grid, which she has, it doesn't work
unless you get godly MPRs
normally she gets... one, maybe two at a push?
spiral summit
Did you grid Stotic for Kris ?
chilly dawn
and she's completely out by about when their second sync would go off
team stoic 4, probably, it's a stolen grid
in fact I think you're the one who sent it me
spiral summit
Idk why all your clear you said always end in 2nd enemy sync when that almost very hard to happen when you slap vigi for everyone
silver spruce
Second sync damage with all vigilance on argenta clear
Following hydro does maybe 35%
chilly dawn
Finally
turns out the answer to Anabel: Just Take NC Leaf.
5/8 UBs down now
Leon I can't do, Palmer I probably can't do
Nita I Might be able to but idk if I have a support for it
chilly dawn
ok yeah I don't think I can do Leon's. Tried it, but no dice tanking the max move.
Palmer, I do not have that level of output especially on Fighting
wait no I can steal that from the sheet
chilly dawn
[Narrator: He could not steal that from the sheet]
foggy cove
I can help you here
Sure i have about 26 exed but not sure what type of team to build
shrewd marten
Sure i have about 26 exed but not sure what type of team to build
What pairs exactly do you have
modest orchid
For Thornton do you have to apply rebuff to all 3 opponents?
valid raft
For Thornton do you have to apply rebuff to all 3 opponents?
Yes, otherwise they'll have x3 more defensive stats than usual
Which effectively means you're fighting a mini-EB in a UB
modest orchid
Guess I’ll figure something out with NC Red. I saw Ropalme had a run with SSAC/NC Red/NC Silver but I’m definitely not good enough to replicate that
valid raft
And you also need to lower his defense stats to prevent him from hitting harder
silver spruce
This is so cool. Japan is cooking again.
crude marten
let me guess, mina as third again
stable tundra
it's more like she is the only choice that could work
OMG Yarrdenia has TM MPR??? hello???
TIL
rotund oasis
I saw her tm refreshing at least 4 times .-.;
low coral
it's more like she is the only choice that could work
No, Tosakinto specifically aims to use Mina whatever possible, that goes way back lol
stable tundra
ah 
do you think there is any subsititute for Mina on Anabel? i think Bellelba is the only choice on Palmer
low coral
KriSS, probably
silver spruce
Yeah we’re about due for another weather support. It’s been awhile
high harbor
I tried ropalme1914 team for nita, but I saw at the end of the video he had personalized gears for this fight that I dont have, I tried with generic ice gears
dim lance
No, Tosakinto specifically aims to use Mina whatever possible, that goes way bac...
nah, he just thinks she's the best/only option in some cases
- since ghost is rampless and is slow you need both the crit shield and the protect block
snow spruce
Did Palmer have 0 or 1 endures?
spiral summit
Palmer doesn’t have endure
high harbor
That team was mostly for the challenge
oh damn, it was the only team I had available from the spreadsheet
shrewd marten
oh damn, it was the only team I had available from the spreadsheet
It’s incredibly difficult
Though if you have no other good speed debuffer
That’s just how it be
high harbor
Though if you have no other good speed debuffer
I have sst red
low coral
I assume you lack Irida
crude kite
do we know who noland’s ub is designed to be for
valid raft
In terms of damage, Cheren. In terms of the gimmicks, most likely OG Falkner
final yacht
glorialt 
valid raft
Keyword: "Most likely"
low coral
In terms of damage, Cheren. In terms of the gimmicks, most likely OG Falkner
It's 100% Cheren
He also has Fly
warm haven
yeah
snow spruce
do we know who noland’s ub is designed to be for
Cheren for dps, he is also the ONLY top-tier Flying dps kek
the best support will probably be Cynthia (and SS Mina as usual, since she is good at every UB)
gritty vine
I want to use Ss Ethan for the sides at least….
gritty vine
Maybe lodge Skyla for Noland?
shrewd marten
Sure
It’s not that bulky
So if u have a good enough enhancer u can probably get by
gritty vine
I guess Argentina, but she doesn’t have a second max guard.
shrewd marten
Argentina
gritty vine
Tbh I don’t think I’m gonna do a support sync unless it’s a sprint support
shrewd marten
🇦🇷
gritty vine
I don’t know how to spell her name
gritty vine
My main worry is Ss Ethan doing enough damage to Noland. I’m thinking Penny for stealing his buffs and debuffing him, but that means Ss Ethan is entirely carrying that dps race
snow spruce
I dont see the point of debuffing Noland. Its Palmer 2.0, a dps race. You either kill before the 10 PMUN EQ, or you die even if he is debuffed to -6 all
warm haven
noland has really low hp, it's gonna be easier than palmer but more gimmicky
low coral
Cheren for dps, he is also the ONLY top-tier Flying dps kek
the best support wil...
SS Mina doesn't sound particularly more useful than a Initial Guard or dodge pair, tbh
Her Damage Guard, being AoE or not, is not gonna be wasted turn 3 anyway by Earthquake
And that Earthquake isn't that threatening to your other pairs
Although ig she at least got crit shield
snow spruce
SS Mina doesn't sound particularly more useful than a Initial Guard or dodge pai...
her guard is AoE, so it will help the dps negate at least 1 EQ.
Also crit shield - IF you have to deal with crits, if it comes to that.
Its better than most supports I'd say. I have doubts about Falkner doing much here tbh
low coral
The first Earthquake is a completely common move
It's like blocking Anabel's first Eruption
Anabel's Eruption being the stronger of the two, even
She's the obvious choice for Fairy clears, but idt she's that important in other places
I guess Poison might run her to actually use it as an AoE protection while Roxie uses Max Guard on her
Also, Falkner really doesn't have much in particular here