Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

[warm haven]

Yeah Falkner is really good here

[wary hemlock]

altho fly disrupts CD

[boreal abyss]

Would be nice to go for a full flying with Falkner supp

[final yacht]

You use Glorialt to save your Sync countdown while bouncing

[chilly dawn]

You're gonna have to deal with that here

[boreal abyss]

You can go with HS1 to fix it with some pair who has it

[warm haven]

It's not worth to debuff, hes gonna KO u anyways

[rotund oasis]

3/5 Variety Falkner gaming?

[stable storm]

why

[final yacht]

Why not tehe

[wary hemlock]

lmao this is worse than palmer lol

[chilly dawn]

I mean Good Form with 5 +4s is just "the next move kills"

[rotund oasis]

okay so bsaically, you have to Stun immediately?

[final yacht]

You cant stun

You have to damage guard or fly immediatly

[stable storm]

could ss mina, hau and glad do nolan?

[chilly dawn]

You probably can't stun like the other UBs

[warm haven]

I think he's more specific but Noland will prob have more offtype clears than Palmer

[chilly dawn]

Sorely doubt it, how are you getting around the fissures

[final yacht]

Mina has protect and sync damage guard at least

[river prawn]

I'm definitely trying the SLiza route

[chilly dawn]

Fair

[boreal abyss]

Gonna teach Noland who is the better good form unit here

[stable storm]

because it requires too specific units?

[wary hemlock]

same

[chilly dawn]

I'm just Not

[stable storm]

mina has 2 dgs

[final yacht]

Because Palmer doesnt require too specific unit

[chilly dawn]

There are things worth my time, this malarkey is not one

[stable storm]

gonna get pity on mix soon so will get mina

[chilly dawn]

And without NC Cheren I don't think I have anyone who can hit hard enough to gun through this

[final yacht]

Summer Liza gaming

[chilly dawn]

ASkyla likely won't cut it

[warm haven]

I'm doing this with my boy blue

[final yacht]

Lodge Skyla

[chilly dawn]

And my next best ontype is blue

[wary hemlock]

blue?

[final yacht]

Bro forgot lodge skyla

[wary hemlock]

u can forget it

lol

[chilly dawn]

Like, pidgeot blue

Second best flying damage I have

To anni skyla

[river prawn]

260k is not a lot of hp

[wary hemlock]

gen pool dmg dealers dont stand a chance lol

[stable storm]

ss glad and ss hau probably have enough dps

[river prawn]

And no gimmicks need to be covered to do damage

[warm haven]

No, blue will def clear noland

[wary hemlock]

why

[chilly dawn]

Tbh this one is squishy, they might

[stable storm]

does nc rosa have any dg?

[warm haven]

He has really low hp and favors striker syncs

[wary hemlock]

i get it

[final yacht]

No

[wary hemlock]

but blue sync isnt very strong

[warm haven]

It is, not by modern standards but it was on pair with red pre cake

[wary hemlock]

can we temperoraily sleep chain,

[chilly dawn]

No but Hurricane hits kinda hard to follow it up, and the sides have 70k so mopping that up isn't too hard

Assuming you last that long

[river prawn]

No ressilience in passives so means no stun at all

[wary hemlock]

stun?

[stable storm]

when does he click fissure?

[chilly dawn]

Off the bat, supposedly

[chilly dawn]

Flinch/sleep/freeze I think

[final yacht]

where do I put noland to the right or under

[river prawn]

I mean he gets 10 pmun after sync, and earthquake after that

[chilly dawn]

Right

[stable storm]

maybe I could sleep the first fissure

[final yacht]

bro
is
immune
to
stun

[chilly dawn]

Depends if it allows sleep

[final yacht]

[stable storm]

under palmer

[wary hemlock]

wait whot??,??? 10 PMUN?

[final yacht]

yes

[river prawn]

It's just like Palmer

[wary hemlock]

wtf

[river prawn]

A damage race

[chilly dawn]

Team Ground Guard where

[stable storm]

I thought he only had reseliance

[wary hemlock]

thats useless

10PMUN is just too strong

[chilly dawn]

Memeing

[wary hemlock]

levitating isnt a thing in poma

[stable storm]

without dg or endure you are not surviving him post sync

[chilly dawn]

He has piercing blows too so Endure ain't doing shit

[stable storm]

does he have wide awake?

[chilly dawn]

Probably

I think flinch/sleep immunity is a given on UBs

[potent leaf]

I think you can stunlock it

The tips says "avoid getting hit by attacks", but it has piecing gaze

[chilly dawn]

That... Might be it actually

[river prawn]

Dodge moves exist

Like Fly

[potent leaf]

hmm

[river prawn]

They are pushing it

[chilly dawn]

But it probably wants you to Fly or Bounce

Which is laughable

[stable storm]

hopefully he only has reseliance

[river prawn]

If he had that it would be listed

[chilly dawn]

Bc those moves are shit, bugger your cooldowns and are nigh impossible to time

[river prawn]

Like for Nita

[stable storm]

gaze doesn't bypass flying

[river prawn]

It doesn't yeah

The move fails

[stable storm]

weird

[chilly dawn]

Yeah, flying causes the move to fail

Which is not a miss

So it negates piercing gaze

We'll see closer to the time

[boreal abyss]

The extreme circumstances

[chilly dawn]

But this just looks awful

[uncut drum]

As long as it doesn't spam Fissures, I think it's fine

[chilly dawn]

Relying on what is de facto the worst type of move in the game

[uncut drum]

Think I'll cook a triple unova team for this

[chilly dawn]

No damage, no reliability

[warm haven]

Grusha gaming

[chilly dawn]

I've genuinely had stages where I've clicked Fly and it quadqueued me.

[stable storm]

oh wait grusha could work

[uncut drum]

Cheren can abuse it quite well though. Is Fissure blockable by something like Obstruct?

[chilly dawn]

Nope, piercing gaze

[stable storm]

yeh

[wary hemlock]

oh wait

[stable storm]

fissure can be blocked

[uncut drum]

Fly can avoid it

[wary hemlock]

anabel can have 2 prorects

[chilly dawn]

Yeah but Obstruct won't

[warm haven]

Why?

[stable storm]

they block all attacks

[chilly dawn]

Piercing Gaze/Piercing Blows

[uncut drum]

Why wouldn't it block?

Doesn't matter

Still blocks

[stable storm]

piercing blows and gaze don't bypass moves

[warm haven]

Obstruct is not a passive

[uncut drum]

Find it kinda funny Piers is actually a real option for this battle to avoid Fissure

[chilly dawn]

Thought blows went through defensive postures too

[fading walrus]

No

[chilly dawn]

... Pretty sure I've fallen foul of that before

[uncut drum]

Shouldn't be able to

[fading walrus]

Blows ignores passives only

[uncut drum]

This can be tested on Palmer

[stable storm]

hopefully nolan only has res

[final yacht]

?

[stable storm]

I hope his only anti stun is resliance

[final yacht]

he doesn't have resiliance

it would appear on the pastebin

[uncut drum]

I don't think he can be stunned

[final yacht]

for the 8546553 time he can't be stunned at all

unless you wanna pray on para or confusion procs

[uncut drum]

He has really low HP so you can probably kill him quickly

[stable storm]

confusion proc is doable

[river prawn]

Definitely, you have to kill him before he gets the 10 pmun earthquake

[final yacht]

lol
lmao even

[warm haven]

Actually I didn't see resits to those, it has resist 9 by default I suppose

[final yacht]

No it's lower than that

[uncut drum]

So it's like Palmer, but instead of Max Move he has +10 pmun EQ

[river prawn]

Yes

[final yacht]

they have 8 usually

[stable storm]

I wonder if grusha, ss glad, ss hau could do it

[warm haven]

Oh

[uncut drum]

SS Gladion probably can with SS Wally

[warm haven]

Grusha will need sentry entry btw

[uncut drum]

His damage is huge

[stable storm]

ss hau provides good enough dps bufd imo

*buff

wait nolan has endure nvm

[dim lance]

looks at Noland

Anabel: This looks like a job for me

[final yacht]

lol the sides are 2 poliwrath

[dim lance]

Lysandre can also *kind of * do it?

[fading walrus]

You can fully block that with protect at least

[dim lance]

he only needs one external source of block

just time SDG

[uncut drum]

Fighting weak

She'll have a bad time

[dim lance]

she can take it

the main mons are spamming EQ anyway

• the main thing is blocking two fissures

[warm haven]

Yeah noland has weak atk too

[dim lance]

which she can

[stable storm]

could fairy comp do it?

[dim lance]

probably the only unit who can

[uncut drum]

Well that means it's anti rats too

[stable storm]

they have double dg

[dim lance]

double?

where's the other one coming from

[stable storm]

thanks to mina

[dim lance]

mina only has one

[stable storm]

doesn't she have dg on sync

in grid

[dim lance]

no, that's sync wall

lol

[uncut drum]

SSA Cynthia has two

[dim lance]

She has two but the first one is probably used up

[river prawn]

Grusha I guess

[stable storm]

1 dg might be enough with fairy comp dps

[uncut drum]

But fighting zone is not good

[dim lance]

before fissure is blocked anyway

unless

[river prawn]

And any dodge tanks

[dim lance]

fissure is used t1

[river prawn]

Like HPhoebe or Falkner

[stable storm]

ice could do it just requires ssrc or grusha

[dim lance]

I think the easiest way to win is to blitz it while using some very cheese supports

[stable storm]

it is

[tacit hatch]

wait how does the fissure work do you need to dodge??

[stable storm]

they open with fissure

[warm haven]

Grusha and Cynthia can

[river prawn]

HPhoebe I think will have a good time

[dim lance]

and when is the second fissure used?

[tacit hatch]

wait piercing gaze

[dim lance]

between anabel, phoebe and grusha mostly

[stable storm]

after sync and eq iirc

[tacit hatch]

so protect is mandatory

[dim lance]

Cblue also has initial guard

[stable storm]

finally my 3/5 grusha will be useful

[dim lance]

but like this LG is so easy to blitz

[stable storm]

could ss glad and hau have enough dps?

[dim lance]

that if you're only taking one fissure pres-sync

it becomes so easy

it's a joke

tbh

[warm haven]

If it's for tanking 1/5 grusha is enough

[stable storm]

lg

[tacit hatch]

time to use BP olivia

[dim lance]

it's quite weak and relies very much on the fissure cheese

if it doesn't spam it twice before sync it's just that easy to beat it lol

[stable storm]

doesn't he require sent entry to click b move first before fissure

[dim lance]

you need Irida

or he can't click it first yes

alternatively, just use something with max guard

and you're just clean

lol

[stable storm]

it's fissure and buff and eq and sync and buff and eq and fissure I think

[warm haven]

Yeah xd

[spiral summit]

Can we block Fissure ?

[dim lance]

you can

[stable storm]

his b move req is defence up not ice zone

[dim lance]

sentry entry

ez

kek

[tacit hatch]

oh wait yeah does stuff like obstruct and spiky shield work?

[spiral summit]

Shauna with Spiky Shield

[dim lance]

yes, it does

[spiral summit]

[stable storm]

yeh, I think he will be great for this ub

[dim lance]

this UB actually looks very easy

[warm haven]

Lode Acerola focused UB

[dim lance]

as long as you block the fissure

lol

[stable storm]

he can even block the+10 pmun eq

[warm haven]

It is, it's just cheesy

[spiral summit]

Lana/Roxanne gaming

[warm haven]

Half of Nita's hp

[stable storm]

I am worried if my ss glad and ss hau(both 3/5) will have enough dps

[dim lance]

idt damage is the issue

more so than uhh

just making sure nothing dies

there's no damage gimmick, there's just "don't get hit" gimmick

[stable storm]

ok hopefully I can clear it

don't wanna have 3 ubs I can't do

[tacit hatch]

ah I'll probably be perfectly fine since i have NC Cheren, he should blitz

[final yacht]

Doc updated with noland

placeholder text

[tacit hatch]

wait does piercing blows bypass things like master passive damage reduction

[stable storm]

yeh

[warm haven]

It does

[tacit hatch]

huh interesting i never realised

but direct circle damage reduction is fine ?

since it's just against passives specifically

[stable storm]

yeh

[tacit hatch]

critical hit 10 pmun earthquake and fissures are so funny why did they do this

it really is going to be Roxanne gaming time

[final yacht]

for wide guard ?

use lana at least

[stable storm]

grusha will love this ub

[final yacht]

she's got mpr 5 on wide guard

surely she can cook

(she won't cook)

[warm haven]

Wide guard won't nullify fissure

[final yacht]

ik

roxanne has endure

(piercing blows )

[stable storm]

grusha gonna be clutch

[boreal abyss]

I was thinking, if only they allowed us to sleep Machamp

In that kind of universe

SS Cyrus with sleep on entry would be so funny

[spiral summit]

Doesn’t he need Ice Zone for his B Move ?

So Fissure turn 1 still there

[stable storm]

only defence buff

which sent entry 1 gives

[spiral summit]

[cosmic token]

Grusha, Irida, SS Steven?

[warm haven]

Yeah grusha will be really good for this

[cosmic token]

Funny that I just got Grusha today.

[slow sky]

uhhh

[stable storm]

my 3/5 grusha will finally be useful outside CS and ice weak stages

[slow sky]

what does Victory Lap passive even do

[stable tundra]

Gives crit hit next effect when the users take a target down

[slow sky]

and wtf the sides have fissure too

wtf

[stable storm]

they will probably die to syncs

[stable tundra]

Block or bust

[final yacht]

it's funny how the poliwrath aren't exact copy paste of each other

[slow sky]

dam all the mid ever does is just EQ and buff up

[stable storm]

sides are luckily not nita level bulky

[slow sky]

(and fissure)

[final yacht]

they got different moves and order

[stable storm]

your only goal is to avoid hits

[stable tundra]

Those bad trainers don't bother teaching their pokemon STAB smh

[final yacht]

Brick Break!

[stable storm]

brick break

[slow sky]

y bother when they can hack and use OHKO moves right

[stable storm]

what do we think of this ub

[final yacht]

Yeah I love how fissure no guard machamp isn't even legal

[slow sky]

ur battling a team of hackers

[stable tundra]

Okay so only the left theb

[slow sky]

so the right side is more dangerous than the left

since they will just straight away use fissure when the mid faints if they are still alive

Looks like NC Leaf is useful here again with NC Cheren

[stable storm]

imo debuffing isn't gonna be worth it usually unless you have debuff multipliers

[slow sky]

coupled with NC Cheren's speed debuffs, those 2 will delete the stage mechanics on the buff

hm

I think

just Leer once, then spam B move

[stable storm]

the guy will kill you anyways even debuffed unless you use damage negation

which negates the buff boost anyways

[slow sky]

the mid's debuff stacks will be maxed if u do that by the time u sync ig

[final yacht]

they're so frail you'll kill the sides before mid

[slow sky]

NC Rosa probably gonna be the mvp there for dps enabling outside sync

[final yacht]

NC Rosa dies of fissure turn 1

unless you want to tank with something else, which means only 1 dps

[slow sky]

wait what

turn 1 is fissure?

wtf

[final yacht]

yes

[stable tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/farcry6-gif-23383353

[stable storm]

Grusha time

[stable tundra]

the 2 endures and stat buffs are annoying

wait are these endures?

or just stat buffs

[lunar sedge]

(Unlimited)

Lol

Lmao even

[stable tundra]

(just in case)

[final yacht]

imagine if he got his variety tm

[stable tundra]

good bye 300 gems

[final yacht]

the fact he's got momentum too

[stable storm]

no good damage guard or block unit?

[slow sky]

can he even be interuptted or not tho

ugh

[stable storm]

poma lounge is saying yes here it's no

[stable tundra]

i have pairs like SSA Cynthia, NC Blue, Foebe but no Grusha

[final yacht]

poma lounge doesn't know shit smh

[stable tundra]

idt he can be interrupted

no Resilience means he can't be stun

[tacit hatch]

nc blue has... initial guard, but nothing besides that i don't think ?

[final yacht]

initial guard might be enough

depends on how much he spams fissure

[stable storm]

pretty sure electric comp can easily dps through nolan before sync

[stable tundra]

we only know he opens with Fissure?

[final yacht]

yes

[tacit hatch]

10 PMUN sure crit earthquakes are going to hurt though

[stable storm]

idt he will spam fissure more than once pre sync

[stable tundra]

i wish i had SS Mina to make Fairy comp work

[stable storm]

gonna try with grusha and ss glad and ss hau

[rotund oasis]

the "I hate your rats" problem solution. .-.;

[final yacht]

not even a solution

just kill the sides fast

[slow sky]

i mean, they already pulled that bullshit with Nita already

[rotund oasis]

definitely will want Ash's Damage Guard twice.

[final yacht]

the right poli prob doesn't use earthquake until his 3rd move

[stable storm]

rats will probably destroy this ub with nc blue

[final yacht]

same for the left one

you have time

[stable storm]

this ub is too frail to be a threat as big as the big 3 ubs

[tacit hatch]

so do you need to bring just one shielding unit? shielding itself from fissure, as long as you can deal with sides before EQ

[stable storm]

defensive posture also works

[final yacht]

or bounce

glorialt bounce in flying form, doesn't break the countdown

[craggy wind]

So

Noland flying weak? Im ded

[slate light]

nc cheren ss ethan gaming

[boreal abyss]

LIKE A CYCLONE

[silver spruce]

What’s the gimmick this time with the new stage?

[boreal abyss]

🤓

[exotic dome]

Avoid getting hit by fissure

[final yacht]

avoid getting hit at all pretty much

[warm haven]

dena is evil by not letting evasion work this time

[hearty cedar]

246k hp....they probably gave noland that hp to accommodate anni steven

And 69k hp for sides....

Maybe og falkner can come in clutch this time

Ss cyrus is kinda looking great for few ubs

[rich heron]

Oh wait
Wrong channel

[silver spruce]

I’m kinda seeing summer Hilda as a sort of nice gimmick tank

[gentle wharf]

Oh yeah two uses of protect

[slate light]

when does the 10 pmun EQ come in? lmao

[stable storm]

after sync

[slate light]

ah i see

palmer 2

[hearty cedar]

Wait 10? Not 1?

[slate light]

i saw 10 being thrown around in here earlier

[stable storm]

yeh 10

[hearty cedar]

Well, palmer clears should be good for this one too ig

[uncut drum]

Depending on how often he'd use fissure

[slate light]

fly dodge with og falkner will save the day for sure

[final yacht]

No because of endure

[warm haven]

and fisure

[silver spruce]

Ss Mina stonks rising again because of b protect

[hearty cedar]

Support ex + dps (or) good strike/tech ex should drop the mid to its 1st endure anyway. So if we can get like 3 syncs before noland's sync(just like in palmer ub) then there's a chance. But yeah it depends on how often he uses fissure

[final yacht]

1st move is fissure for sure

after that

[hearty cedar]

Only 1 enudre is problematic

[hearty cedar]

Dena wouldnt be that evil....right?...right???

[final yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009557516369281075/1255472452025188454/image.png?ex=667d4156&is=667befd6&hm=3d2077835831781345b7e5ed6fbde6a5a2576b7ab0098c1fd84ab0a03f9e37b9&

[hearty cedar]

They wont be that evil right?

[silver spruce]

Dena needs to atleast give us a sturdy unit if they’re pulling this crap

[slate light]

palmer has piercing blows

[hearty cedar]

Sturdy doesnt work, he has p.blows

[rotund oasis]

PMUN+10 with Sure Hit and EQ. Yeah. They want to kill the rats lol.

[silver spruce]

Noland you mean?

[hearty cedar]

Yeah

[rotund oasis]

(was it PMUN+1 or 10?)

[silver spruce]

Is there also fighting zone too?

[rotund oasis]

no.

[slate light]

oh wait yeah noland

[rotund oasis]

just EQ + Fissure.

[hearty cedar]

I'm pretty sure rats will kill him first. Btbolt can take care of 246k easily

[silver spruce]

Thank god

[rotund oasis]

they stat buff when you hit 50% and 80% iirc.

[silver spruce]

How high +1 or more?

[rotund oasis]

+2

[silver spruce]

That’s not too bad

Annoying but not bad

[rotund oasis]

they have Good Form too.

so that's also... bad. 😦

[silver spruce]

Classic elesa could be a decent choice here

[hearty cedar]

All stats +2

Is genuinely unfair

[silver spruce]

Just in time for the .25% chance to get the one topsy turvy unit in the game

Lear may be interesting giving regen sync Accel and snatch

[hearty cedar]

Oh ye summer hilda is good here

[rotund oasis]

240k hp, so its kinda doable with a few things.

the sides are 69k

[slate light]

flying weak too right?

[rotund oasis]

yeah

the Sure Hit EQ after sync means you can't just Fly.

you take all of tht.

[final yacht]

yes you can fly

right after the sync

[slate light]

think cheren's damage output should be enough to presync

[silver spruce]

Watch someone use nc cheren as a tank

[final yacht]

oh that'll happen

[silver spruce]

Actually alt Gloria is a good one to for more rebuff and bounce shenanigans

[slate light]

i can foresee fissure being delayed to turn 2 and beyond to dump on initial guard

[bright python]

so i guess noland's one is a pure damage race

[stable tundra]

he is Palmer but way harder

lower HP pool but having 2 endures + much much stronger attacks

and Fissure

[bright python]

wait

does he literally only have two moves (oneo f them being fissure)

[craggy wind]

Harder palmer? Fk off WTF

[snow spruce]

I thought Cynthias fighting zone bosting enemy would be bad, but its actually irrelevant since they all just do Ground type moves lol (and a little Brick Break)
And it will run out before enemy sync (you should be pre-syncing it anyway)
Irida-Red-Cynthia should easily beat this UB.

Poison comp should be fine too thanks to Minas AoE protect

[stable tundra]

he has a couple of attacks

check the pins for details

[bright python]

i'm literally at the UB info sheet lol

[stable tundra]

good, check his info then

[bright python]

i'm just checking to see if i'm not seeing things mate

I can already see that he looks like he only has two moves

no x attack all doesnt count as a move to me

[stable tundra]

well you are not counting Fissure as an attack move right?

[gentle wharf]

Noland is flying weak right?

[slate light]

ye

[stable tundra]

because the middle has Brick Break and EQ

[gentle wharf]

Thanks

[bright python]

well, that's what i'm seeing right now

[stable tundra]

hmm the pastebin shows he having more move slots tho

[spiral summit]

I just see it and what, +10 PMUN after using move

[stable tundra]

the good thing is, the sides have the same passives too!

[bright python]

i wonder

remind me again, do the passives that noland's team has break through damage guard

[stable tundra]

no it can't

[spiral summit]

Side gets +10 after its move, while Noland gets +10 after Sync

[gentle wharf]

THE SIDES WHAT

[slate light]

yea

they only have 69k health tho

"only"

[gentle wharf]

Hmm

Do they have anything obscene for defenses?

[bright python]

83 for both so eh

basically kill them first

intended unit sounds like NC Cheren

[slate light]

if i cope hard enough, maybe this team will work

[gentle wharf]

I wonder if Annie Skyla + SS Ethan can work… probably not

[bright python]

I might try to set up a funny image in that case

does noland have any other defensive gimmicks other than the enduring?

[slate light]

doesn't look like it

[bright python]

also this stage is targeted against ash users lol

you think about using ash and his nuke to one shot noland? not only is their earthquake spam which is likely to one shot ash, there's also multiple endure barriers, oh and ash's plot armour endure won't save you

Looking at the stage overall, I think this is probably going to be if not hard (somehow), extremely fucking annoying to play through
since the fissures could end your attempt if you get unlucky

[silver spruce]

They might. Ethan will run into issues where his buffing is slow if you want the smun

[gentle wharf]

I’m mostly wondering which support to bring

Unironically looking at Falkner lol

[bright python]

i'm thinking about doing NC Blue and NC Cheren, but idk who to bring as my third mon

[slate light]

simply get lucky and hope for paralysis procs

[bright python]

no not ss ethan i dont have him before you ask

[slate light]

you could try anni skyla if you have her

[silver spruce]

Classic elesa could work

Gives max guard and the debuffs wanted

[bright python]

dont have either of the two

[silver spruce]

Who do you have

[bright python]

here's my dynamax pairs (because max guard) and MFs

[gentle wharf]

Oh wait SSAynthia has initial guard and again after she syncs

[bright python]

oh shit yeah

maybe double support and nc cheren?

[silver spruce]

Could also go Rosa to ramp cheren faster

[craggy wind]

So i dont really get the logic behind Noland's battle

What does he want

[bright python]

he wants you to die

[gentle wharf]

Kill or be killed lol

[craggy wind]

Actually

Noland has no condition nullification?

[gentle wharf]

Err kill fast

[bright python]

none except for poison

[gentle wharf]

Yeah

[stable tundra]

it seems he has immunity to stun again

[craggy wind]

Immune to flinch

BIj

[final yacht]

The Machamp has 3 earthquake and 2 Fissure

[silver spruce]

Jesus Christ

[gentle wharf]

If it works, why diversify lol

[stable tundra]

so where does Brick Break come from?

[craggy wind]

Are they gonna release some Anni unit that is immune to ground moves

[bright python]

my guess is that he leads off with that first earthquake

[silver spruce]

Sides

[stable tundra]

ah

[gentle wharf]

Also all those Earthquakes are fucking nasty

[bright python]

i still think nc blue+ nc cheren is the way to go

[gentle wharf]

Are they afraid of Bellelba or something

[bright python]

group heals+ the intended unit

[silver spruce]

They really wanted oleana and Geeta dead this time

[bright python]

and ash

[lunar sedge]

[craggy wind]

Why is Cheren the intended unit, hes not a sprint

[bright python]

wanted him so dead even his plot armour wont work

[fair sorrel]

Flying weakness I see.

[craggy wind]

Thts why im confused

[bright python]

flying weak, spread attacks to kill the sides, and maybe fly to avoid the attacks, at least that's how i interpet it

[gentle wharf]

Brick Break is such a spit on Sabrina’s alt lol

[craggy wind]

Literally a brute force arena except theres no Sprints in this type

[bright python]

those side attacks sound REALLY nasty

[craggy wind]

Oh lol right Fly is the whole thing about Flying types god

[gentle wharf]

Ohh that’s why they gave Annie Skyla Strike EXR and boosted SS Ethan

lol

[bright python]

Although fly really fucks up my quadqueue

damn it dena give propulsion 1 on fly already

[spiral summit]

Alt2’s Bounce

P Elesa’s Fly

[bright python]

who's that

(yes i know they exist btw, i just don't have them)

[snow spruce]

NY Lance moment of glory

[gentle wharf]

THE RETURN OF THE KING

[bright python]

Also i actually wonder

[gentle wharf]

Actually I’m not sure how we’re supposed to survive if the sides get +10 PMUN after everything they do

[bright python]

Is momentum 1 just an eternal adrenaline 1? Not like it would matter

[slate light]

delete them before they delete you

[gentle wharf]

It permanently reduces countdown by 1

Each time Noland syncs

[bright python]

jesus christ

[gentle wharf]

Until Noland only syncs every turn lol

[bright python]

so hypotetically if you survived long enough noland would just sync every turn

[gentle wharf]

Yeah

[bright python]

that should be a challenge

survive until noland syncs twice in one go

[spiral summit]

Survive +10 PMUN EQ first

[bright python]

it does take like 4 turns after they act to attack again though

and this is why i think nc cheren is the intended unit

[gentle wharf]

Remind me again, the UB are immune to flinch and poison?

[snow spruce]

the sides should be dead by turn 4-5

[bright python]

He's immune to flinch and basically immune to poison

[gentle wharf]

But paralysis and freeze are fine?

[bright python]

Idk

I think para might be fine

Notably i don't think noland has resilience? Can't remember the pastebin

[spiral summit]

He doesn’t immune to poison

[stable tundra]

they never get paralysis or poison immunity

[bright python]

Doesn't he have lessen poison 10 or something, so basically almost immune

[spiral summit]

No

That still good

Still give you some multiple

[bright python]

But he does have lessen poison 10 iirc? Even if its still good or not

[spiral summit]

Every UB have that

They just stop you from poison stall

You poison them mostly for multiplier

[slate light]

chip damage helps a little

keyword being a little

[spiral summit]

For long battle like Argenta is very helpful

But short battle like this isn’t that good

[slate light]

better off trying to mitigate through paralysis methinks

[bright python]

Aye

Especially because if you parahack you don't need to pray at all for whether you survive

[slate light]

noland only has lessen paralysis 7 which isn't too bad

[bright python]

i mean, only a like 1/20 cahnce of paralysis happening, it's not too bad, right? right?

[slate light]

clearly, we need to somehow work Petey into clears to make it less rng based

[gentle wharf]

What about Holiday Viola LMAO

[final yacht]

what about
both

[snow spruce]

is Chase usable in this UB?

[silver spruce]

I suspect ropalme will get him to work somehow

[final yacht]

ropalme will do his usual ssac ncred irida

[silver spruce]

Yes he usually does a chase clear too

[shrewd marten]

There’s a reason I call him the ncred irida man

[warm haven]

chase will be filtered unless you want to fish for paralysis turn 1 lol

btw steven def form is one of the best tanks for this

his moment

[final yacht]

Why?

He's got damage guard once but that's it

[warm haven]

i̶ f̶o̶r̶g̶o̶t̶ h̶e̶ g̶e̶t̶s̶ r̶e̶c̶o̶v̶e̶r̶ ins̶t̶e̶a̶d̶ o̶f̶ p̶r̶o̶t̶e̶c̶t̶

but initial guard is good, and he maxes defenses

[snow spruce]

Piercing Blows attacks ignore all your masterpassives damage mitigations, right ?

[hearty cedar]

No

It doesnt

[snow spruce]

Really ? isnt it supposed to "ignore passives that would reduce damage" ?

[river prawn]

It does ignore master passives

[hearty cedar]

Oh my bad

[river prawn]

Not circle dr or reflect/light screen for example

[hearty cedar]

Crits can bypass reflect and light screen

[snow spruce]

Bellelbas time to shine

[river prawn]

That is another thing

[hearty cedar]

Yeah

Does crits bypass circle?

[stable tundra]

it doesn't

[hearty cedar]

No wonder jp players value circles so highly

[snow spruce]

hmm so nothing bypasses circles built-in DR, right ? (except removing it)

[hearty cedar]

Ye

[snow spruce]

But Reflect i useless vs Fissure, right ?
ONLY fly/bounce etc. or dmg guard can stop a Fissure?

[stable tundra]

yes

[rigid pivot]

Ssa cythina Should be good for this fight yeah? She blocks fissue right?

[slate light]

initial guard + again after she syncs

[snow spruce]

Yes and yes (second dmg guard after mega-evolving).
Also maxed out +6 team defences turn 1
And Sprint role
and even the fighting zone doesnt really help enemies since they use Ground moves instead of fighting moves

[slate light]

i might try her out if NC Blue can't quite cut it with the flying mfs

[stable tundra]

they have sure crit on every move after their first action so defense buffs don't matter

[snow spruce]

Thats the Follow-Through 9 passive? Still, thats starting from the second attack, right ? (for each side separately). At least the first one wont be a crit

And this only sides from what I see. The center doesnt have crit after each move, only after sync or after scoring a KO (neither of which should happen)

[rigid pivot]

When should you use your mega to avoid 2nd fissue and activate damage guard next for cythina? Right away?

Unfortunately I only have 1/5 ss cythina still

[stable tundra]

you got it right, the mid only gets crit next if he KOs someone

[stable tundra]

we don't know when they use the second Fissure

[shrewd marten]

Wait a sec they’re using ohko moves?

They’re cheating

[hearty cedar]

Ohko moves with piercing gaze and piercing blows

[shrewd marten]

Bro wtf

These ubs are going insane

[snow spruce]

This UB would be insane .. if it had the same HP values as Nita

[hearty cedar]

If noland syncs, then he allegedly gets +10 pmun and uses EQ with crit buffs and p.blows(vigilance is useless)

[spiral summit]

At least Noland has really low health with 2 endures

[hearty cedar]

Time to spam sprint ex support once again

Ssac might be the best one

[shrewd marten]

I hate palmer type battle

Boo

[snow spruce]

Palmer type battle is the most fun IMHO ^^

[hearty cedar]

Wait till he uses turn 1 fissure

[slate light]

i get the logic behind that

[shrewd marten]

I’m sure Palmer type battle more comfortable for u guys

Cuz cs

[slate light]

at least palmer type battles are just dps checks and not "oops you didn't flinch on sync 2 turn 3 now die"

[shrewd marten]

For me is opposite cuz 90% post sync for me

[slate light]

i should probably give ethan and cheren sp3 in preparation

[shrewd marten]

And I like spinning clear with ncleaf or something else

But Nita is way too much

[snow spruce]

I actually prefer UBs that are immune to flinch and sleep.

[hearty cedar]

I sincerely hope noland doesnt use his fissure till just before sync

[shrewd marten]

Well let’s think

[slate light]

i'm thinking it's going to be annoying and halfway to sync

[shrewd marten]

What’s a flying support

Do exist

I guess variety faller

[hearty cedar]

Ah btw, each time he gets to endure, he gets +2 stats on atk, def, sp.atk, sp.def, speed. He has endure on both 80% and 50%

[spiral summit]

I rather use Nate to tank

[shrewd marten]

Pykuo is cooking

[shrewd marten]

That’s annoying

[slate light]

turn denial is going to be key here i think

[snow spruce]

the 2 turn moves fuck your rotation, its so bad =/

[spiral summit]

Noland is immune to freeze/flinch/sleep

[snow spruce]

you can still turn deny with a kill

[slate light]

oh i know, i mean murking sides before they can act

[hearty cedar]

No sleep, no freeze, no flinch. Only turn denying is by killing the sides, which should be easy

[slate light]

[spiral summit]

Idt turn deny is a good choice

[hearty cedar]

Tech + strike = killing sides to deny a turn

[spiral summit]

Since he only have 1 x attack all and fissure + EQ

[hearty cedar]

Depends on when noland decides to use fissure

[slate light]

idk, i think cheren and ethan should be able to chew through sides together handily enough

fissure becomes the problem there tho

[spiral summit]

Imagine he spams fissure before sync

[hearty cedar]

Turn 1 fissure = most supports are useless

[shrewd marten]

Pinsir

[slate light]

initial guard gaming

[shrewd marten]

But no bug move

He’s a fraud

[hearty cedar]

Or max guard gaming

[spiral summit]

He uses Machamp

[shrewd marten]

O

Still no fighting move

[spiral summit]

And that thing doesn’t have any fighting move

[shrewd marten]

Frauuuuuuud

[hearty cedar]

Poison team can still clear it it seems

[snow spruce]

poison, ice and flying will all clear

[spiral summit]

You thought this is Fighting UB, but no it is another ground UB

[hearty cedar]

He lost his landorus to nita but couldn't get over it so he became a fraud

[warm haven]

tfw no AoE fighting move

[shrewd marten]

True

[hearty cedar]

Dena:- looks at extend range

[spiral summit]

Nah, they looks at rats

[warm haven]

yeah but maybe the wanna counter the rats again

meanwhile ash + red = 3 DGN

[hearty cedar]

Rats should clear this depending on when he uses fissure

[shrewd marten]

Yeah but that’s stupid

Cuz the rats are the one people with excessive damage guard

[spiral summit]

I’ll try NC Blue + SST Red + Nemona

[shrewd marten]

If this is the way to counter it this isn’t the play

Ash has 2

Red has 1

That’s above average for strikers/damage dealer

[warm haven]

blue has initial guard too

[slate light]

and he can debuff attack, too

[hearty cedar]

Supp ex + dps = 1st endure gone
Ash's sync = 2nd endure gone
Ash's bmove = mid ded

It depends on when noland uses fissure

[river prawn]

It is his 1st move

So turn 1

[warm haven]

yeah

[slate light]

do we know that? or is it just the first move listed on the sheet

[warm haven]

i think he uses the second one right before sync

so by that time it doesnt matter if the support is dead

[hearty cedar]

Then sstr should protect blue with max guard

[slate light]

blue has initial guard so he doesn't need max guard right off the bat

[hearty cedar]

Ooh

I didnt know he had that

[spiral summit]

Bc he never need that until now

[warm haven]

dena knew what they were doing wit blue

[slate light]

if he can survive for long, he can put his funny passive to use for the flying mfs too

[hearty cedar]

Ye rats are gonna win, no problem

Poison can win too imo

Same with fairy

[warm haven]

yeah rosa is the one filtered here

[hearty cedar]

Nc rosa is kinda screwed

[warm haven]

unless you give her DGN

[snow spruce]

does any cookie have any form of a damage guard ?

[warm haven]

rosa, chase, elaine are out

[shrewd marten]

Is that a cookie

[warm haven]

no

damage guard next

as in max guard or nemona tm

there's no cookie for that

[snow spruce]

oh it means using someone elses max guard max move on Rosa ? ok

[warm haven]

yeah

[spiral summit]

I want to search pair have that and PoryphoneBot is dying

[slate light]

limits team comps somethin fierce

[warm haven]

if the second fissure comes right before noland sync 1 DGN may be enough if the team is strong

[sour elk]

I guess defeating him before +10 EQ would be the most sensible strat

[slate light]

yup

or just before sync, since that's sure crit too and he'll likely have +4 attack unless you can debuff him

[valid raft]

Just be glad he doesn't have hella bulky HP

[sour elk]

Palmer has twice as much HP and his fight lasts for about 3 sync cycles, maybe 4 if pulling shenanigans so I guess Noland will be 2-3 cycles long

[valid raft]

He's the literal definition of brute force

[final yacht]

what, damage guard ?

[spiral summit]

Yeah

[final yacht]

maybe i should add that to my utility doc

[valid raft]

The 2 HP thresholds are meant to cockblock NC Cheren's nuke

[hearty cedar]

Wait, the whole +10 pmun EQ stuff is from sides? Not from mid?

[snow spruce]

but he only gets sure crit for sync if he manages to KO your tank, right (with that second fissure) ? So if you can keep tank alive for 6 turns - then his sync wont be a crit, and should be tankable np

But overall - jsut presync him

[slate light]

yeye

[hearty cedar]

His dps alone should allow him to bypass the 1st endure tbh

[sour elk]

First threshold is about 50K, so it should reachable with Bleakwind before his sync, the next one is about 80K

So maybe something like Cheren and two sprint supports, syncing with Cheren 3rd

[spiral summit]

No, he has +10 PMUN after his Sync, while side mon has it after its move

[valid raft]

Next UB should have Impervious with stat buff multipliers and Rising Tide

[hearty cedar]

Cant believe that ssac is the best support for this ub lol

[sour elk]

Momentum 1 is a meme, I don't see how the fight could extend to 2nd and 3rd Noland sync if Fissure is a true OHKO

[final yacht]

P-Move & S-Move: Non-Maxed Stat ↑2

[warm haven]

Cheren's first sync will kill the sides and by sheer dps he can go through the 2 endures

[valid raft]

I wish Noland had at least 500k HP

[snow spruce]

She's been great in every UB except the Fire damage ones
Especially on Palmer (this is a Palmer type fight too)

[hearty cedar]

Cheren will destroy this ub. Problem is that most supports are useless in this ub if noland uses turn 1 fissure

[final yacht]

[warm haven]

yeah

[river prawn]

I'm going to try HPhoebe SLiza

[slate light]

hmmmm

i wonder if it'd even be worth syncing with blue, honestly

[spiral summit]

I wish have more Lucy’s UB level and sadly Maelmc’ll suffer from it

[valid raft]

Just ignore my masochism y'all

[sour elk]

Abbreviation Noland's PP is crazy btw

[final yacht]

ikr

[valid raft]

Actually, what would be worse for Noland?
Adrenaline or more HP?

[final yacht]

his variety tm

[warm haven]

[sour elk]

More HP, getting to his 2nd sync will be niche territory I think

[spiral summit]

Him and sidemon only have Fissure

[final yacht]

[warm haven]

no you were cooking there

[valid raft]

I'm guessing Noland is immune to disabling statuses

[final yacht]

ik his regular tm

[warm haven]

imagine if your regular UB heals almost half health

[final yacht]

but 40% hp on 260k isn't that much

[warm haven]

2 uses

[final yacht]

ok now we talkin'

[spiral summit]

Refresh Endure

[hearty cedar]

Are we just assuming that this stage cant be slept/frozen/flinched?

[final yacht]

his variety tm tho

he uses fissure
sides uses a move
he uses his tm
he syncs already followed by a +10PMUN earthquake

[spiral summit]

-3 Sync Cd and lower his own Def/SpDef

Now that a dmg rush

[low coral]

Deoxys-Attack is outclassing Deoxys-Defense even as a tank now

[final yacht]

deoxys defense has damage guard on tm

[hearty cedar]

^

[spiral summit]

Yes

[final yacht]

it's better than on protect itself since noland uses fissure turn 1 (apparently)

[sour elk]

It would be kinda lol if we could just flinch/sleep chain him with 260K hp

[hearty cedar]

Then we panicked for nothing

Knew dena wouldn't destroy anni skyla with this ub

[valid raft]

Just to confirm, Fissure doesn't ignore damage guard right?

[warm haven]

Ah yeah you can't use protect before fissure

[final yacht]

you're coping if you think he can be interrupted

[slate light]

i mean

he isn't immune to paralysis

[hearty cedar]

I heard that it only deals 50% hp

[final yacht]

yeah there's that but lol

[slate light]

have fun resetting for it tho

[valid raft]

With that amount of HP, I completely doubt he can be disabled

[low coral]

Fissure won't deal 50% to Damage Guard

It's either 100% or 0%

[final yacht]

^

[warm haven]

tho it kinda says that fissure is powered up

[valid raft]

I'm asking if it gets ignored or not

[valid raft]

Prolly chance

[low coral]

It's probably powered up by Piercing Gaze

[hearty cedar]

Hey, if we dont assume the multiplier values for units until release then why assume immunities before the stage is released. Especially when its not mentioned.

[valid raft]

Fissure is already OHKO when it lands, so why bother making it stronger?

[river prawn]

Because that happened before

I remeber Palmer and Lucy not having passives listed at first

[hearty cedar]

Like think about it, flying ub where anni skyla is useless and has turn 1 fissure?

[final yacht]

because he doesn't have resilience

[low coral]

They follow a pattern for how the stage is programmed

[final yacht]

resilience -> not immune
no resilience -> immune

[sour elk]

Yeah there is precedent

[final yacht]

that's how it's always been so far

[snow spruce]

yup

[hearty cedar]

I'm not saying he is stunnable. I'm saying lets not assume it for now

[low coral]

They have to explicity put some passives there to make it actually resistant rather than immune

Since immune is the default state

[final yacht]

We all are definitely assuming it

cope if you want

[valid raft]

Hmmmm, I didn't know about that

[low coral]

I mean, they actually would have to modify how the client interprets UB for that

Which I doubt they would do

Since it only changes how we read datamines

[river prawn]

Also why should it be tailored for Anni Skyla

[hearty cedar]

I sincerely don't think they'd make anni skyla that useless

[spiral summit]

Normally it is failed when try to use on pair have endure, but Piercing Blows helps ignore that

[low coral]

And it would also result in the other battles having to be modified

[final yacht]

she is that useless

(tbf she has an aoe tech nuke, she's not useless)

[low coral]

Which Absol would've datamined, most likely

[sour elk]

Fwiw I would be glad if he were stunnable, I love stun mechanics

[hearty cedar]

They dont tailor it to her per say, but its kinda unbelievable that they'd make her useless for this ub

[warm haven]

aoe nuke that gets crippled by 2 endures

[snow spruce]

They dont care about a pokefair from 2022 that much lmao
And she still provides a flying zone dmg boost

[valid raft]

She's weak besides setting flying zone and having massive nuke. She might as well be zone fodder for Cheren

[low coral]

Disarm is also good here, seeing as Noland keeps getting Attack buffs

[river prawn]

It is clear they had Fly in mind when designing this

[spiral summit]

Will he use EQ before Sync ?

[valid raft]

Does that mean bringing SS Ethan?

[low coral]

Skyla herself can confuse the enemy

[valid raft]

Ah yeah, Gobsmack

[warm haven]

SS Ethan + Anni Steven must be a confy clear

[spiral summit]

P Elesa

[low coral]

Hmm, idk, you do need a considerable damage output here that's not so reliant on nuking

[snow spruce]

dps race + avoid the early fissure is the strat here. And go for pre-sync
IMO you just ignore everything else

Even if a +4 EQ leaves your dps at 10% - its fine as long as you win

[low coral]

But probably, if you can pre-sync Lucy without falling to OHKOes, you probably can win vs Noland

[warm haven]

Anni steven will have zone + SEUN so he will destroy the mid

[river prawn]

Summer Liza should have an easy clear

[warm haven]

while ethan gets rid of the sides

Noland has really low hp too

[valid raft]

Max Guard Red

[sour elk]

Falkner, Anni Steven and NC Cheren seem like a good option too

[valid raft]

OG or V. Falkner?

[warm haven]

OG

[river prawn]

Depending on the rotation a support may not be favoured at all

[warm haven]

fly gaming

[river prawn]

If all he does before sync is fissure

And buffing

[sour elk]

Yeah for Fly memes

[hearty cedar]

If noland is immune to stunning
---ssac might be the best support

If noland is not immune to stunning
---this would be the most easiest and hilarious ub

[warm haven]

ssac is not THAT good for this

[valid raft]

There's no way that DeNA will stop their mean streak, especially with Nita

[warm haven]

you either save her sync for later or use her second DG for the EQ

[sour elk]

Her CDR would clutch I think, even with low HP I think ramp strats would be welcome

[hearty cedar]

Well he has low hp so her initial guard + sprint ex + intial guard after sync is definitely valuable

[snow spruce]

She is very good here. Her and SS Mina are the best probably

[river prawn]

Not SS Mina

[hearty cedar]

Ss mina is indeed good here lol

[low coral]

Mina won't be very good, probably, she only has one block

[river prawn]

She can't guard 2 fissures

[hearty cedar]

Crit shield and b protect

[snow spruce]

Isnt 1 aoe block enough ?

[low coral]

And idt first EQ is supposed to be that threatening, is it?

[snow spruce]

surviving 2-nd fissure isnt as important for a dps race

[warm haven]

nah

[hearty cedar]

If the 2nd fissure is just before his sync then we dont need to survive that, we only need to survive the turn 1 fissure

[hearty cedar]

Given how we survived nita's Eq, I'd say we should be fine

[warm haven]

@final yacht when does noland use his second fissure, after or before sync?

[snow spruce]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/finder

search for Max Guard ^^

[final yacht]

yes

(i don't know)

[warm haven]

[final yacht]

deduce whatever you want from this

[snow spruce]

wait BOTH Oleana and SS Roxie have max guard ^^
Poison is cooking

[sour elk]

Poison would be a bit hard pressed by EQ, but if they did Nita I believe in them

[low coral]

It's Caster who knew how to interpret turn order

[sour elk]

I wonder if Dahlia would rather use her Max Guard over Max Geyser

She might prefer to use Geyser along one of the Damage Guard on entry supports

[final yacht]

i'd assume x attack all is before or after the 1st sync

then it goes with only fissure and earthquake (4 and 5), and uses earthquake before or after the 2 sync

[snow spruce]

I hope the fissure is used turns 1 and 3 ^^

[final yacht]

[pliant jewel]

This for sure better not ever be added to Rally

[slate light]

pray for that one consumable that provides damage guard after every move used

[pliant jewel]

Red Bull: Allows the user to use the move Fly.

[final yacht]

[boreal abyss]

Not me reading all of this madness and chilling while having a nice spritz lmfao

[distant estuary]

Lol they actually devised a complete counter against the 3rd anniversary rats

Seems dena finally got tired of 3rd units being so good (save for SSA Cynthia)

[boreal abyss]

Looks like a good challenging stage

[final yacht]

I think I can beat it

not like palmer

(or well, i believe i have some palmer teams that can work now but it sucks so not now )

[boreal abyss]

And again, SSAC, the star that guides me to salvation, my sunshine

[snow spruce]

caked Cynthia is better than Ash nowadays, easily IMO

[final yacht]

he uses fissure on his 1st move
and 2nd
and 3rd

[boreal abyss]

Then my 4th move is a dogwow

[distant estuary]

That being said, another thing to add to list of reasons why it's not a bad idea to pull for masterfairs. It's not late to pull on NC Cheren as he seems to be designed for this

[boreal abyss]

Insta aoe kill

[distant estuary]

If you didn't pull SSA Cynthia rerun, kek

[boreal abyss]

[final yacht]

(technically you can survive that)

[boreal abyss]

Practically?

[final yacht]

just not alone

[boreal abyss]

Ah

[final yacht]

max guard to an ally

[boreal abyss]

Fair

[pliant jewel]

All the memeing for anti rat UB came to life this month

[final yacht]

or ss mina's protect

[low coral]

Tbolt Red still looks good here

Sync accel, good damage, and Max Guard

[boreal abyss]

What a scam fighting stage btw

Refund

Apologems

Where is my fighting move

[low coral]

Actually, I think 3rd anni trio as a team will most likely win vs Noland lol

[boreal abyss]

The return of the kings and queen

Time to rock clear sync up 14 with that juicy 306 atk

The battle of the ages

[final yacht]

sst red using max guard on ssac

[valid raft]

I think Noland can be pre-synced

Since his HP is hella low

[boreal abyss]

I think so too

I am so used to off type stuff that now I get to use super effective dmg

Probably should make things easier

Keyword: probably

[final yacht]

fissure

[valid raft]

Double Initial Guard + Max Guard

[stone scarab]

So what you're telling me is

I can frog it

[sour elk]

Frogs + Dahlia seem like they could

[snow spruce]

wait, team of SSA Cynthia + SST Red can let her survive THREE Fissures, right ? not counting whatever 3-rd pair has (another max guard?)

[stone scarab]

I was gonna go something like Cerena/SSA with someone with decent AOE as the third

[valid raft]

SST Red has Max Guard

[stone scarab]

I think that's their point

[snow spruce]

yeah thats what I meant. 2 initials + 1 max guard

[valid raft]

Ok

[sour elk]

Oh you meant singular frog, yeah that would be better actually

[final yacht]

Guys
I found the ultimate Fissure counter

[stone scarab]

Means you need Cynthia's Numbing Blow for Red's debuffing though. Or the third unit to para instead ig.