Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

[solar stirrup]

Wouldn't the hp scaling need to be lower

[stable storm]

Imagine fairy ub is related to dropping our stats

[chilly dawn]

So's Electric, look where that got us.

... And Ice.

There's a few types that just rely on a couple of busted gits

... Watch them do a UB for Normal where they gut SE damage on a passive or something.

[snow spruce]

we've never had ANY fight in this game where an enemy was 'weak" to Normal damage, right ? It always been one of 17 weaknesses
Or did I forget something?
Giving an enemy x2 weakness to Normal dmg would destroy the point of Normal type (increased base BP, but never SE)

I'm not sure how this would work mechanically
Would it just be an UB that doesnt take SE damage from anything (meaning Normal nominally has an advantage due to their higher move/sync BPs)?

[cloud badge]

Wtf is this all support team

Also does Argenta battle need a 3/5 Adaman?

[proud marten]

looks like there's a couple adaman clears at 1 ex on the sheet

[lunar sedge]

All support?

Oleana is tech

She does however have support EXR

[valid raft]

Looks like a clear skinny would make

[exotic dome]

nope, no 5/5 oleana

[low coral]

Not remotely comparable

Electric's roster is far better than Poison's

Even if you remove the very top ones, you still got SS Hau, N, SS Piers, Iono, Chase, etc.

[chilly dawn]

ok Electric may have been a bad call, I forgot most of those existed

(and N? Good?)

but I think we're running very low on actually capable types by now

We've had what, Ice/Electric/Ground/Rock/Water/Grass/Fire/Fighting? Psychic's probably capable of a decent UB, Ghost probably can too

[hearty cedar]

Yes, Zekrom is indeed good it's just that ash is just that damn good

Ghost type is decent now thanks to irida and ssrc now having aoe sync

Ssrc having strike ex will let Marshadow users not care about the sides

I'd say ground could still use some help

[chilly dawn]

Though I wonder who we get next anyway.

assuming they stick with just facility bosses etc

that leaves another 14 UBs

though 5 of the facility heads aren't in yet (4 come anni bc lbr Morgan will be joining her sisters on the BP ticket)

[hearty cedar]

Iirc, in the acacia song, portraits of chateauline sisters and subway bosses and few more were shown

If they consider them all as facility bosses then ingo/emmet could also come as ubs

[chilly dawn]

Yeah I'm thinking the full list is:
Hoenn: Lucy/Anabel done, Noland left, Greta/Tucker/Spenser/Brandon unadded
Sinnoh: Darach/Thorton/Argenta/Palmer done, Dahlia left
Unova: Ingo/Emmet left
Kalos: Nita done, Evelyn/Dana left, Morgan unadded
Alola: Red/Blue left
Galar: Leon done
Paldea: Nemona? left

[hearty cedar]

We still have 2 sisters for ubs(3 if you include all)

[stable tundra]

i think they will follow the rally artwork

[chilly dawn]

I'm mostly counting Nemona bc she's on the front of Battle Rally and everyone else on there has a ub iirc

though MR would be odd

[hearty cedar]

This might be me coping but I feel like the next one is Noland

[chilly dawn]

but yeah I think adding MR isn't too farfetched in hindsight

red was always gonna happen

[stable tundra]

he is a boss in a battle facility afterall

it does make sense

[low coral]

Now they just have to worry about attacking more than three times!

[chilly dawn]

idk

the background makes me think mt silver red

oh right I forgot one

Hoenn: Lucy/Anabel done, Noland left, Greta/Tucker/Spenser/Brandon unadded
Sinnoh: Darach/Thorton/Argenta/Palmer done, Dahlia left
Unova: Ingo/Emmet left, Benga unadded
Kalos: Nita done, Evelyn/Dana left, Morgan unadded
Alola: Red/Blue left
Galar: Leon done
Paldea: Nemona left

[hearty cedar]

Red as a ub is a highly sus choice for me

[chilly dawn]

idk

[stable tundra]

he is a Battle Legend in the Battle Tree

[chilly dawn]

he's the boss of the battle tree in Alola

[hearty cedar]

He's marketed heavily as a MC in this game who also got a nc. Who knows

[chilly dawn]

and also the superboss of gen 2

[hearty cedar]

I mean, wally and cynthia were also there....

[chilly dawn]

I'd argue he's perfectly entitled to be there

Cynthia might make it too tbh

Red and Cynthia are the closest things Pokemon has really had to superbosses

[stable tundra]

they are not Battle Legend tho, but they might join the UB roster eventually

[chilly dawn]

(Mt Silver and Undella Town)

[hearty cedar]

He is entitled to become a ub. Its just that, dena promoted him as a MC so its junda hard to picture for newer players

[chilly dawn]

Fair

Could go either way

[hearty cedar]

Ye

Safest choices are noland, sisters and subros

[chilly dawn]

Dahlia.

y'know, the last of the sinnoh frontier brains without a UB

[hearty cedar]

Pretty sure they'll give 1st priority to noland over dahlia

[chilly dawn]

Probably tbh

I'd also bet that the other hoenn brains will be sooner than later

same with Benga

[stable tundra]

both Noland and Dahlia are candidates for Flying weak UB

they have to repeat types after they have done with 17 weaknesses

[hearty cedar]

I personally feel like the next ub will probably be dragon weak

[chilly dawn]

Yeah I think we'll get one per type minimum but some of the bigger ones will double up

[hearty cedar]

Or psychic at best

[chilly dawn]

Also idk with Dahlia being Flying weak

How many UBs other than Leon have been with non-legendary Pokemon?

and the only legend Dahlia uses is Zapdos.

[hearty cedar]

Darach

With birb

[stable tundra]

Lucy

with snake

[chilly dawn]

Oh right those two

[hearty cedar]

Snek ub is funny

[chilly dawn]

and tbh they might do ludicolo bc Ice and Rock are already covered weaknesses.

[boreal abyss]

Y’all are not ready for Mega Ray sweep in UB

Steven gonna kick us

[hearty cedar]

Weak to flying....yeah they are gonna postpone it for a while since we just got cheren

If ghost ub arrives with the difficulty and requirements of nita ub then most ppl will be screwed

[boreal abyss]

I gotta rely on SSRC and SC Irida, otherwise next choice is Fantina lmao

[hearty cedar]

Same

Or I'll have to go back to my trusty fire team

[boreal abyss]

Dark types I have no MF so gotta be off type

[stable tundra]

i have SS Korrina and EVictor

[hearty cedar]

Nita ub single handedly ended my nc.nate run

[boreal abyss]

Dark weak UB is my demise, unless tred can break the 4th wall and win like always

[hearty cedar]

Marnie exists but we may be asked to set a dmg field which will be either annoying or next to impossible for most ppl(without akari)

[chilly dawn]

Banking back to Noland/sisters/sub bros...
Ingo uses Haxorus as his other mon to Excadrill in multis, adds Chandy for singles.
Emmet uses Eelektross for multis, adds Chandy and Hax for doubles.
Noland can use literally anything from gens 1-3 basically, his team was random so he might genuinely get MPinsir or Ninjask.
Evelyn uses the dogs and Latios, so probably Latios?
Dana uses the birds and the regis, so probably Regice to give us idk, Steel weak

[boreal abyss]

Forgot I have a 3/5 ex role akari

Thank you for that

Very based

[hearty cedar]

Imagine, 550k hp emmet ub, Eelektross, ground weak, with cresselia's passive that reduces ground dmg to basically nothing

[chilly dawn]

My money for the next one is none of those though

[hearty cedar]

Ontyping will be a nightmare

[chilly dawn]

I think we're getting Psychic weak Nemona and Pawmot.

[boreal abyss]

I think our ground weak is Lucy only

[chilly dawn]

yeah the issue is a lot of typings are kinda out the window

[boreal abyss]

Psychic is gonna be uhm, interesting lol

[chilly dawn]

like Evelyn uses the dogs and Latios

[hearty cedar]

You are safe then, given how palmer ub asked for rei's speciality, they'll probably ask us to set dmg field multiple times for dark ub which will be a pain for sure

[chilly dawn]

Water/Ground/Rock/Electric/Grass have already had UBs

Suicune and Entei have already appeared

[boreal abyss]

Fire too

[chilly dawn]

yeah but none of Entei/Suicune/Raikou are weak to fire

[boreal abyss]

And ice

[hearty cedar]

Who can forget the infamous thorton

[chilly dawn]

the legendary dogs' weaknesses are all already used

[boreal abyss]

So like, they are either gonna repeat stuff or boh

Just like find other stuff

[chilly dawn]

Repeat, probably

[hearty cedar]

Aaah that logic huh, so no raikou anytime soon

[chilly dawn]

Or Evelyn uses Latios

which is the other mon she uses

and Ghost/Dark/Dragon/Bug are all types still on the table

[hearty cedar]

If red can be a ub then why not N? Will be perfect for dragon weak ub

[chilly dawn]

Maybe?

Red's in there more for being a superboss and on the battle rally page imo

[hearty cedar]

Bcuz atm, to get a dragon weak ub, our choices are either latis or regular mons like haxorus/hydreigon

[chilly dawn]

N might make it, same boat as Cynthia

[boreal abyss]

Like so far they are doing Battle Facility Foe

Does he have an alt with that?

[chilly dawn]

Not yet

[low coral]

Btw, I heard you guys like sync acceleration

[boreal abyss]

Then no N for now

[stable tundra]

Victor's time to shine

[chilly dawn]

But also there's no Red alt with facility foe, and he's on the rally homepage, so I reckon he's getting one anyway

[stable tundra]

is your Redlax 5/5?

[boreal abyss]

[low coral]

Yes

[hearty cedar]

Lol so true

[chilly dawn]

which'll open up a different category to this malarkey

[low coral]

Although not full energy capped, I miscalced my orbs

[chilly dawn]

(probably "superbosses")

[stable tundra]

i see, did you use any of the new tiles?

[boreal abyss]

Probably for the tree thing gakon said which is true

Alola super boss

[chilly dawn]

I was thinking Mt Silver

[boreal abyss]

Oh

[chilly dawn]

bc that very much is superboss Red

[boreal abyss]

Mhm

[low coral]

Yes, the defensive ones, Mighty Friend 9, and just using as a new path to old tiles too

[chilly dawn]

but that in turn opens up like, Cynthia

[hearty cedar]

My 3/5 c.red is still collecting dust

[chilly dawn]

(Undella Town counts I think)

[boreal abyss]

Cynthia has battle facility foe skill in giratina

So we might fight giratina

Soon tm

[chilly dawn]

even better

ghost/dark/dragon are still UBs we have to have

[hearty cedar]

Wait what? Really?

[boreal abyss]

Yessir

My queen

[stable tundra]

we all forgot about Driftveil World Tournament

PWT

[hearty cedar]

Then it better be weak to dark, if its ghost then we cant use ghost zone

[boreal abyss]

What a goated location

PWT

[chilly dawn]

yeah the PWT I was kinda discounting bc that just opens it up to "every champion, GL and E4"

[hearty cedar]

I was trying my best to not consider it given how even gym leaders can appear there

[chilly dawn]

which... If it runs long enough

but probably going to be a "when they run out of frontier brains et al"

[stable tundra]

but it's a battle facility

[hearty cedar]

PMEX is PWT2

[stable tundra]

and i only considered champions there

[boreal abyss]

Tho we got like battle Leon with zard, not dragapult which still makes sense

So in case we get ssrc with chomp

You know why

[hearty cedar]

Well you are indeed correct, like said above, if ub's continue to exist for a long while then we may see characters from pwt

[chilly dawn]

yeah if UBs keep going for a long while they might resort to PWT

but I think we're gonna see all the frontier brains, chatelaines and the like first

[boreal abyss]

Can’t wait to see the missing hoenn ones

[stable tundra]

i think they would move to Battle Tree opponents then the MC/rivals

[hearty cedar]

Well swsh was drastically marketed with zard as his winning mon + leonzard was the 1st masterfair ever so he can get a pass

[chilly dawn]

tbh I can see them doing the Hoenn frontier brains as one big two-part event.

[boreal abyss]

Yeah that’s why i find it fair

But heck fighting giratina or mega ray would make ubs much more scary lol

[chilly dawn]

bc it's just what, Spenser/Brandon/Greta/Tucker?

I could see that being a 2 part event

[hearty cedar]

Ultimate battles are a good way to give ppl some exposure of who these characters are cuz a lot of players havent even seen them before more than once

[boreal abyss]

I think it’s just them 4 yeah

[chilly dawn]

yeah Lucy, Noland and Anabel are already in

so just those four

[warm haven]

mega ray will be the easiest UB

[boreal abyss]

[hearty cedar]

I genuinely think that there's a ray hater among the devs so mega ray ub will be easy

[chilly dawn]

Sinnoh's brains are all in, Unova's missing Benga, Kalos is missing Morgan

[boreal abyss]

Benga heck yeah

[chilly dawn]

though Morgan will be added to BP at anni

[boreal abyss]

Great memories

Love the music in that facility

[hearty cedar]

Benga with who tho? Volcarona maybe? Bcuz alder aint coming to ubs

[boreal abyss]

He had latios too right?

[hearty cedar]

Yep

[boreal abyss]

But probably volca

[hearty cedar]

He has legends

[chilly dawn]

Volcarona, one of the latis

[boreal abyss]

We got staraptor as UB

[chilly dawn]

maybe dragonite or garchomp

[boreal abyss]

The bravest of all the birds

[chilly dawn]

his team is Latios/Garchomp/Volc in B2, Latias/Dnite/Volc in W2

[boreal abyss]

Had B2 here so makes sense

[hearty cedar]

Benga was a force to be reckoned with with a semi decent team

Will be good as a ub

[chilly dawn]

bc the middle member is the shiny egg he gives you

[boreal abyss]

His facility was hella long but I was vibing with that music

[chilly dawn]

tbh I think he'll have volcarona or latias

[hearty cedar]

Areas 1-6 were a cakewalk, the challenge begun from area 7

Volcarona most likely

[boreal abyss]

Eh I was fighting everyone each time

[hearty cedar]

Me too

[chilly dawn]

bc if Evelyn gets one without repeats from a mon she's used, that's either something from her first team, or Latios.

[boreal abyss]

Because i was young and didn’t know what to do

So I assumed fighting everyone would have been the answer to everything

[chilly dawn]

and her first team is... Primeape/Persian/Lumineon/Pachirisu

[hearty cedar]

Morgana with mesprit, ghost weak

[chilly dawn]

so either she gets raikou and a second ground weak UB

[hearty cedar]

Could happen

[chilly dawn]

or she gets Latios

and I think Latios is more likely bc we're gonna struggle for some types

gotta get Bug weak in somewhere.

[hearty cedar]

Imagine dena pulling fluid fortification gimmick once again on us in a ub

[boreal abyss]

No more please haha

Anabel was enough

With her almost 1 mil Hp

[chilly dawn]

Noland rocks up with fluid fortification/speedster's sync/inertia/fast track 9 Ninjask.

plus probably other BS

give him all of the fast, fluid fort on top

[hearty cedar]

Bug weak ub will probably ask for genesect

[chilly dawn]

Probably

rebuff and hits hard

and now AoE too

[hearty cedar]

Could proc speed debuffs

[chilly dawn]

yeah

[hearty cedar]

To setup cakewalk

[boreal abyss]

Tripping strike 1 SC Barry hell yeah

We are so back

[chilly dawn]

plus ripple effect metal sound

and also atm

how many other good Bugs are there?

VNoland?

[boreal abyss]

SS Hilbert SC Barry SC Emmet

[chilly dawn]

Viviola?

[hearty cedar]

Thats it ig

[chilly dawn]

SS Hilbert was already counted

[hearty cedar]

Sc emmet will probably be good enough

[chilly dawn]

SC Emmet will probably be ok

[boreal abyss]

Noland viola

And then the goat mega beedrill

[chilly dawn]

Base or alts

[hearty cedar]

We all know that viola's passives will be hard countered in a ub

[boreal abyss]

Clearly the optimal choice

[chilly dawn]

tbh the bit I'm more scared for is

Bug-weak

Bug has access to a lot of debuffsa

[hearty cedar]

I'm looking forward to seeing nc.red's and nc.cheren's team clearing future ubs

[chilly dawn]

they could give us fluid fort on Bug-weak Latias

bc Latias was the original fluid fort

now it's back

and it's pissed

[hearty cedar]

5/5 genesect for bug weak ub

[boreal abyss]

Once that you get NC Bianca, no fluid fort can scare you anymore

Slap her and g into the g

[stable tundra]

Her team has Swords of Justice and Latias

[chilly dawn]

Imagine having the budget for that

[hearty cedar]

Nc bianca is like a safety net to our sanity

[chilly dawn]

yeah Morgan will probably get like, Virizion

for the UB at least

[hearty cedar]

Dabbo, upload your bianca runs, spread her greatness

[chilly dawn]

bc otherwise who's gonna be the Poison-weak one?

[boreal abyss]

Flying weak UB? Anni Steven time to clear sync up 14 on them enemies?

Ah

I dunno I thought it was unnecessary

[chilly dawn]

like Poison-weak is just Grass and Fairy

[boreal abyss]

Shall I record one?

[hearty cedar]

Imagine, flying weak ub needs you to cancel out all weather or you get destroyed

[chilly dawn]

and there's not been any Fairies in facility battle teams

[hearty cedar]

Yes sir, if you have time and patience that is

[boreal abyss]

Ah the run is very easy

[chilly dawn]

I doubt it'll be cancel weather

but I do think they will force Defog.

[boreal abyss]

I was running the wrong stuff lmfao

[low coral]

And one more

7 sync buffs before enemy sync

[hearty cedar]

Record as many as possible so ppl can watch her clears at one place. Right now bianca's clears are all over the channels

[boreal abyss]

Like staggering on unflappable suicune lmfso

[boreal abyss]

That’s insane

[chilly dawn]

like, imagine actually having to run Defog for a UB

[stone scarab]

they could always give Noland a poison weak mon

[chilly dawn]

bc otherwise, perma crit shield and a damage field or something.

Probably tbh

[stone scarab]

he doesn't have anything set to him really

[hearty cedar]

Lets be honest, palmer had no shot against this team. Rosa would have been better for this ub instead of chase

[chilly dawn]

but they tend to stick with either their Main Mon, or a legendary

[low coral]

Obv, but that wasn't the point

[hearty cedar]

Darach and lisia:- our time has come

[low coral]

I already did Rei / Rosa / Red I believe

[chilly dawn]

and tell me it's not the sort of bullshit they'd pull in a UB

[stone scarab]

darach or lisia for an UB would be a painful choice

[chilly dawn]

they absolutely would do a UB that expects Defog

[boreal abyss]

Guess imma go give a record to Argenta with Rosa Bianca Steven then

[stone scarab]

or bp falkner

[boreal abyss]

I’ll be back

[chilly dawn]

make it like, perma crit shield and damage field.

[stone scarab]

bp falkner may well be the best choice

[hearty cedar]

Unfortunately, they already pulled the crit shield BS with regirock LA so they will do that at some point in ub with even more requirements

[chilly dawn]

Yup

I reckon they'll throw in damage field too to stop piercing blows cheese

[hearty cedar]

have fun

[stone scarab]

piercing blows doesnt mess with crit shield

it isnt a passive

[chilly dawn]

oh right lmao

[hearty cedar]

Geeta can remove dmg field right? so it shouldn't be a problem

[chilly dawn]

there's something that can negate it iirc

Yeah but perma crit shield in a UB is gonna be Problem

[low coral]

Also, the one time they could make Kukui's sync innate effect and Brick Break useful and they make them not remove crit shield

[chilly dawn]

yeah lmao

[stone scarab]

it really do be like that

[hearty cedar]

Nothing goes past crit shield except defog which removes it

[chilly dawn]

ah well

but yeah... I reckon they'd probably stick Noland with flying

[hearty cedar]

Am I missing something? Why did kukui come into the convo?

[chilly dawn]

Kukui's sync breaks screens

iirc

[stone scarab]

his sync breaks reflect and light screen

[hearty cedar]

Aaaah yes

[stone scarab]

bc of the Z Moves main game effect

[chilly dawn]

but crit shield is not a screen because ???

[hearty cedar]

Bcuz it doesnt exist in the main game(not counting passives)

[chilly dawn]

still though

[low coral]

They gave up on having a multiplier for Kukui's sync for that

[chilly dawn]

zones don't exist in main game, they're still cleared like other field effects

[hearty cedar]

P.blows should have gone through crit shield

[stone scarab]

still not a passive

[chilly dawn]

they absolutely can lump their new PoMa stuff in to existing boxes

[hearty cedar]

Ik

[chilly dawn]

they just chose not to

and it's not like Brick Break is all that widespread

I think it's on like, Brawly and some eggmons

[hearty cedar]

Defog time

It's only a matter of time

A ub WILL come out with crit shield

We even got bellelba recently with crit shield so dena didnt forget about it yet

[low coral]

Piercing Blows not beating crit shield is fine in cases they want a Pblows immune effect

But it should be more easily removed besides Defog

[hearty cedar]

Is it just me or does jp yt'ers actually value nc.nate more than the en community does?

[low coral]

Summer Hilda also got it, and it would be an ok buff

[low coral]

Idts

It sounds pretty standard

You sometimes see a higher CS focus on some JP tubers

Which might give that impression

[hearty cedar]

They were mostly talking about nate's, silver's and bianca's circle shenanigans

Hold on

I just realised that nate's best team is now with bianca

[low coral]

But we did brought up that core here, quite a decent time ago

[hearty cedar]

1.6x from the circle and has innate DZ

[hearty cedar]

No, its just my stupid brain realising it now

[chilly dawn]

Ok so... Assuming these are the upcoming UBs, which types do you all think/hope/fear they'd be weak to?
Ingo & Haxorus
Emmet & Chandelure
Nemona & Pawmot
Evelyn & Latios
Dana & Regice (could also be Regirock or Registeel)
Noland and (Mega) Pinsir

[low coral]

It's not the most resilient, but the damage output is absurd

[hearty cedar]

Haxorus or any other dragon is gonna be a dragon ub

[chilly dawn]

yeah Hax is probably Dragon

[hearty cedar]

Rosa tanking should be fine

[chilly dawn]

Latios I think would be Bug

simply bc where the frack else is Bug going

also forgot Noland, added

[hearty cedar]

I dont think chandelure will be a ub but if it is then probably ghost weak

[chilly dawn]

I put Chandy for Emmet bc the only mons he's used are Archeops, Eelektross, Haxorus and Chandy

though actually

Emmet and Eelektross

[hearty cedar]

If bug weak ub asks for a rebuff AND a field effect then safe to say that most bugs are screwed

[chilly dawn]

I think Bug is gonna be rebuff and fluid fort.

[hearty cedar]

How many ubs do we have that ask for rebuff?

[chilly dawn]

Debuffs are kinda Bug's thing

[hearty cedar]

Thorton and argenta?

[silver spruce]

Argenta can be cleared without rebuffs

Thornton is a bit harder

[stable tundra]

I think Bug is more centered in trap/paralysis and/or zone

Or even rebuff because i can see the stage is designed for SS Hilbert

[hearty cedar]

Ubs are starting to ask for more and more gimmicks at the same time

Lets be honest, nita ub also kinda asks for atk debuffs

[warm haven]

She may ask for normal guard even

[hearty cedar]

You mean dmg guard

[warm haven]

Dena really said nope you're not stalling this hyper beam

[hearty cedar]

They really are spamming memebeam and meme impact these days

[boreal abyss]

i love that when i record argenta gets an innate aggro 1 on waterfall turn 1

that's my 6th flinch in a row

letsgoski let's go

it's the only way of doing it

🤙

[hearty cedar]

Argenta was supposed to be scary....but we treat her as a meme

[boreal abyss]

when the real difficulty is to get past turn 1

[hearty cedar]

Imagine argenta not having flinch immunity

[stone scarab]

Shed probably end up harder if it were like that

[chilly dawn]

genuinely Argenta was rough for me

[stone scarab]

Because if she didn't, she'd have resilience

And that means you cant use the other interferences

[boreal abyss]

7th flinch in a row? no waying?

only at argenta's enterprises

[hearty cedar]

Man, no matter how many times I look at it, your yt pfp is just too damn cute

[boreal abyss]

free flinches for everyone

sign in for one today

special offer

[hearty cedar]

Signed in

[boreal abyss]

boh that waterfall is the only menace of the battle i swear lmfao

[hearty cedar]

Now you are building up excitement

I'll watch it as soon as you upload it

[boreal abyss]

8th!!!!!

unbelievable hahahah

can we reach 10 flinches in 10 tries turn 1 chat?

[hearty cedar]

Argenta if she was a real person:- you must be hacking

[hearty cedar]

Yes sir!!!

[boreal abyss]

incredibly based miss on draco meteor turn 1

[stone scarab]

[chilly dawn]

Zone, maybe, but I think stat drops are a more central part of Bug than trap/para

[boreal abyss]

Ok draco meteors missing but proving weather wipe aside

Got everything, gonna show and such after dinner

I want my sushi first

[hearty cedar]

Ping me after you uploaded the run

[boreal abyss]

If I don't fall asleep after dinner yes

[mighty plover]

mf about to get sleep chained

[boreal abyss]

Almost

https://youtu.be/mdRYp8v7ow0?si=O8WcluSERftD7Xg2

[boreal abyss]

@hearty cedar enjoy

[mighty plover]

Curse you Dabbo 😡

[boreal abyss]

😭

Don’t think it’s needed to send stuff in the doc ig

[boreal abyss]

Wanted to have a final hit with Dragon Ascent but miscalculated the dmg from the other teammates lmfao 😅 things that happens

[boreal abyss]

Now i can go back to sleep lmfao, night buddy ❤️

[mighty plover]

Goodnight pal

[shrewd marten]

That final sync damage gave me depression

[boreal abyss]

Wdym, 6k after like 8 or 9 syncs isn't good?

It is what it is, doing it just to assert dominance on Argenta

[shrewd marten]

[crude marten]

snek clear

[boreal abyss]

A real one

[boreal abyss]

Changed Steven's outfit too for the occasion

Can you believe it's Rayquaza doing actual damage in the team?

[crude marten]

always has been

[spiral summit]

~~I still want Dena buff him more 50 Attack ~~

[crude marten]

ill take +100

[boreal abyss]

+100 should be the minimum

Now I am very satisfied of every clear with Mr Steven, he is gonna appear next time for whenever a weather is back up

[fervent mulch]

sprint or tech could give him some

[boreal abyss]

Unironically tech would give him th best spread on stats

[hearty cedar]

this is what we've been waiting for!!!

[warm haven]

He has good dps it's just his sync that's useless

[final yacht]

???????????????????????????????????

[exotic dome]

Bonjour

[final yacht]

ah someone has been submitting tosakinto's clears

When you submit multiple clears from the same video, put timestamps

It's already annoying enough to update the doc don't make it more tedious

[valid raft]

I thought it'd be skinny clears

[boreal abyss]

And to think that I have graced you with the NC Bianca Steven stuff vs Argenta lmfao

[final yacht]

nah send them

i'm complaining but i also don't want people to restrain themself lol

[boreal abyss]

And i don't want to cause stress to others

I'll do it soon, no pressure

[sweet fractal]

I cant seem to defeat UB nita, her earthquake after first sync just 1 hit red pikachu... any help?

my team consist of Irida, red pikachu and bluedos

[silver spruce]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonMasters/comments/1decic1/ultimate_battle_vs_nita_showcase_irida_sst_red_nc/?share_id=AvdJli_qT6vxTV4SH_5JN&utm_content=2&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

That should work for you assuming ex role and 3/5

looks like the flinched nita with blue post sync to negate eq

[violet tundra]

if i wanna use melony with nc red and irida to beat nita, does she need to be exed

also what are other good supports for that battle/duo OTHER THAN NC BLUE PLZ

[fervent mulch]

If it is a documented clear and they sync with her maybe, otherwise you would likely sync with red if you want to try for yourself

[stable tundra]

there are 1/5 EX Redlax and 1/5 EXR SSA Cynthia clears

[violet tundra]

i dont have either of those but i do wonder how exactly those benefit ncred and irida.....makes me wonder if i actually Can make it work with ss blue lol

is it just about lowering speed?

bc if its just that, irida takes care of that

[shrewd marten]

Ncblue is tanky as heck

[stable tundra]

no, you need a good tank

[shrewd marten]

And reduces their offenses

Ssblue isn’t anywhere near that strong

[stable tundra]

please check the pins to see which clears you can replicate

[violet tundra]

i know im looking at the list
im just trying to see if i can figure out a clear on my own

[stable tundra]

no hurt trying ideas out then

[violet tundra]

i wonder if grusha will work....

[stable tundra]

Grusha already has 2 clears

at 3/5 and 4/5

[violet tundra]

bc he lowers enemy offense
ik
but would he work with nc red and irida specifically

[stable tundra]

yes?

the 2 clears were with NC Red and Irida

[violet tundra]

ok cool
i would have to sacrifice my single support candy and general candy to him to get to 3/5 but
ohhh!!!

i thought it was with other units lol

[stable tundra]

make sure the other 2 are 3/5 too

[stable tundra]

there is no 1/5 *Grusha clear yet, but you can give it a try

[violet tundra]

they are indeed at 3/5

lemme go watch some of the clear vids

someone managed to clear with an eggmon zamn

i wonder if i should try recording my own attempts in case i win...

[stable tundra]

that would be a cool addition to the doc

please do it if you are able to

[low coral]

Rip, real close with this one

But I couldn't keep Garchomp debuffed

And Hippowdon's Sandstorm MP being infinite is also annoying, although it can be dealt with

[shrewd marten]

Da meex red

[stable storm]

why is it infinite

Why.

[stable tundra]

Because they want to make you suffer

[stable storm]

we already do that to ourselves enough by playing poma

[shrewd marten]

It’s not even 2 uses?

It just has infinite quick move?

Breh

[stable tundra]

[shrewd marten]

Nita giga cring

But also if hippo has infinite

[stable storm]

Nita is the youngest chanteline btw. Imagine the older ones

[shrewd marten]

Does that mean ur intended to use a hail spammer

[stable tundra]

No, you are supposed to kill it before it has a chance

[shrewd marten]

Cuz irida isn’t a spammer

[stable storm]

you are intended to stun and kill it very quickly

[shrewd marten]

She has juuust enough

That’s cringe

Dps race with 15 gimmicks baby

[silver spruce]

Hisui wardens role exs when

They really want it

[stable tundra]

blame NC Red for being Ice type

[stable storm]

you mean clan leader?

[silver spruce]

Yes

[stable storm]

probably Anni or anni bait if I were to guess

[shrewd marten]

I mean adaman exist

And grass was ezzz

But this

[stable tundra]

But he cant sync every other turn

[stable storm]

ice is like top 1 comp rn

or top 2 depending on who you ask

[stable tundra]

NC Red is in a whole different level

[silver spruce]

Gotta use ss Erika and get infinite sunny day MPR

[stable tundra]

Than Adaman

[stable storm]

grass is competing for number 5

[stable tundra]

I give up 🚶‍♂️

[silver spruce]

Haha

[stable storm]

I gave up Nita

[silver spruce]

I’m amazed Adaman and mixed red made it that far in a clear tbh

[stable storm]

if only ss hau was poison weak not ground

[silver spruce]

I still have trouble using Hau on Leon tbh

[shrewd marten]

Nah mixed red the feckin money unit

I expect better

U gotta pay good cash for him

[stable tundra]

It's funny that Mixue can't keep up to his level in terms of power

That's why he keeps losing

[stable storm]

no para is a bit annoying

[silver spruce]

Red getting offensive debuffs and a more defensive base kit definitely help him compared to blue

[stable storm]

if only ss hau was poison weak and not ground weak. He could probably make defeating Nita a good bit easier for a lot of people

[shrewd marten]

Red got shitton of utility

Blue got mixed damage (haha)

And we all know mixed damage is a giga meme

[silver spruce]

He also competes in a more competitive type. Fire is a lot stronger than grass

[shrewd marten]

Honestly I don’t rly think so?

Like he’s competing for striker fire

And like best one is still sshilda innit

Or maybe ny Wallace

[stable tundra]

Agreed

[shrewd marten]

Not that ehyre bad just that if ur competing with fire the one you don’t wanna compete with is ssmorty and ncleaf

You don’t win against them

[stable storm]

grass has better offensive units than fire pretty sure

[shrewd marten]

But since blue no utility

[stable tundra]

[shrewd marten]

He’s just best stuck

Beat

[stable storm]

pure offense

[shrewd marten]

Stick

[shrewd marten]

Who he competing with then

[stable storm]

Blue gives a decent amount of utility

[shrewd marten]

Fire wise

Cuz obviously mix red just slots nicely next to accerola and adaman

[silver spruce]

Grass has Adaman ss Lyra and mixed red as best

[stable tundra]

The aforementioned 2 and even SS Red with EXR methinks

[shrewd marten]

Soosy

Mix blue can’t be that bad

[stable tundra]

He is not

[silver spruce]

Compared to blue Wallace leaf ss hilda Gloria alt ss May and even silver

[shrewd marten]

Bro ain’t no way

[stable tundra]

It's just there are better options

[shrewd marten]

Ur comparing to silver

[silver spruce]

Mixed blue is good just has more options go against

[shrewd marten]

We’re comparing top tier

[stable tundra]

Comparing him to Silver is a bit harsh

[shrewd marten]

Not mid tier

Otherwise grass we use brendan

Erika

[silver spruce]

Silver has one of the best accessible syncs in the game

[shrewd marten]

Sc Rosa

U forgor that one

[silver spruce]

Solar flare 14 and inertia

[shrewd marten]

Erika has the strongest grass dps for f2p

It’s just silly to compare like that

[silver spruce]

Erika is to clunky

[shrewd marten]

And silver isn’t?

The second sun runs out he’s buttcheeks

[silver spruce]

Silver basically sets up and spams move of choice

[shrewd marten]

And you might say he sets infinite sun

But he doesn’t set it up for his sync

So like

[silver spruce]

Erika doesn’t refresh sun besides MPR and her only attack is a two turn without it

[shrewd marten]

Just sit her next to adaman

Or ncleaf

[silver spruce]

Then I can say the same with silver

[shrewd marten]

You can

[silver spruce]

Use him with leaf

[shrewd marten]

But he’s less effective than ss red

[silver spruce]

Nah

Ss red is ass

[shrewd marten]

Ain’t no way

[silver spruce]

He’s even clunkier than Erika

Need to sync to max his stats

[stable tundra]

Let's go to #916852389347196958 everyone

[silver spruce]

Blast burn is ok DPS but not a good sync

[low coral]

No one does that lol

If you want Haymaker, you use Kabu, otherwise, just use Chase and ignore Haymaker

[silver spruce]

Agreed but that is again why I didn’t list him in the good fire pairs

[valid raft]

What RNG was needed?

[low coral]

Still though, comparing to Silver is non-sense

Or even Erika

Gloria as well is not particularly great either outside of LG

[silver spruce]

To each their own. I didn’t mention Erika though

[low coral]

You did mention he's clunkier than Erika

Anyway, I def think this can work, I just need to get Garchomp debuffed

[valid raft]

Trip Up LS when

[shrewd marten]

Can meex red tank or he’s not a bulk boi

[low coral]

If he gets to tank, Acerola went down, and if Acerola goes down, you can barely debuff Speed

So it doesn't matter

[low coral]

Also, yes, I just had it use 4 times in a single battle

[shrewd marten]

Wow

[silver spruce]

What's the sync rotation for that clear?

[low coral]

Acerola, Red, Adaman, Adaman, then I'm not sure if the ideal is Acerola or Adaman

[silver spruce]

are you using the max move inbetween the adaman syncs?

[tawdry sail]

Doesn't matter what I watch, still cannot beat Nita despite having all the tools necessary. I guess it's a skill issue since I don't have the proper skill gear

[silver spruce]

what are you using?

[tawdry sail]

I've used NC Red/NC Blue and Irida countless times but can't seem to figure out what to do before getting wiped

[silver spruce]

all 3/5 and ex role red?

[tawdry sail]

Yep

[silver spruce]

I had the same issue

the thing that finally clicked was timing my ice beam freezes to buy turns

the issue with blue is his pralysis gets in the way sometimes

[tawdry sail]

Yeah I didn't grid Hostile Environment for that reason

But yeah timing appears to be an issue for me

[low coral]

Let's go

[silver spruce]

Cheeky discombobulate

[low coral]

Also, looks like Razor Leaf > Leaf Blade

[shrewd marten]

pogggggg

nice job

[shrewd marten]

adaman's b move is razor leaf :3

[shut trellis]

does the ub doc have extra energy grids for ub capable pairs?

I'm busy going through pages with the word energy for extra energy grids and I'm on page 19

max sync orbs

[stable tundra]

No unless they specify +X E

[tawdry sail]

Think another problem I'm having is keeping the speed debuffed, I feel like Irida just doesn't do it quick enough. So I've tried Champ Cheren to the same result and no luck

[stable storm]

gratz

[sweet fractal]

Im still doing this UB, but i noticed irida’s ice wish should be right away 1 turn before nita’s 2nd sync cause any attack during sandstorm wipes pikachu

[tawdry sail]

Tried Pika once and didn't work, probably not going to bother again

[low coral]

With the Ice team, which grids were you using?

Particularly the Irida one

[tawdry sail]

Used the standard Hail Alert and Ice Zone Extention one from the doc. Running Super Powered 3 as LS

[tawdry sail]

Finally beat it... got timely flinches to delay turns and was able to get the sand turns eliminated thanks to Irida

[spark isle]

I'm having trouble with Nita anybody could help me?

That are EXed

My limited units roaster

[stable tundra]

no Irida or NC Cheren? you are cooked

[uncut drum]

Maybe SS Hau could help? He can drop -2 speed aoe every turn so maybe you can make a team around him

He has Champion Blue and SS Morty which can both help him live

[stable tundra]

Ground weakness does hinder him, so we haven't seen any confirmed clear with him

[shrewd marten]

Almost everything is 1/5

[uncut drum]

That didn't stop Oleana from clearing, and Hau has strike EX R to take care of sides. Besides Hau's bulk is decent

Champion Blue to provide rebuffs and offensive debuffs, Hau for damage and speed and Morty to remove sandstorm

[shrewd marten]

I find it doubtful just sshau damage is enough

I’ve never heard anything insane about his damage

[uncut drum]

His sync does good damage, especially when powered up by Champion Blue's rebuffs

[shrewd marten]

Blud you’ve done this ub right?

The damage requirement is hard even for ncred

[uncut drum]

NC Red has a different problem

[shrewd marten]

If his damage isn’t tippy top tier and he’s the only one damaging

It’s pretty rough

[uncut drum]

It's difficult to chain freezes

[uncut drum]

True, but I wouldn't rule it out if it's EX R

[shrewd marten]

That’s really not like

A big detriment

[shrewd marten]

Sure? Like idk does he have adaman damage

[uncut drum]

I see 3/5 Adaman so maybe he could work?

[shrewd marten]

Well yes that’s what I’m saying does he have adaman damage

[uncut drum]

But Adaman doesn't deal with sides well

[shrewd marten]

I’ve never seen his damage compared to that tier

[shrewd marten]

That’s what mix red is for

[uncut drum]

Would he even survive? Guess he could try Mix Red - NC Blue - Adaman trio and after sync with Blue basically only sync with Adaman

[shrewd marten]

Wut

It was adaman bulu mix red

Ain’t no way ur doin a no support clear

[uncut drum]

NC Blue is Zapdos

[shrewd marten]

I have brain fuck

[uncut drum]

How he survives without NC Blue

Actually no since none of them debuff speed

[shrewd marten]

Das why bulu

I mean maybe morty ncred hau

[spark isle]

My closest clear was eggmon lapras , NC Red amd NC blue i got everyone below 1/3 of health

[stable tundra]

did you follow the video?

[spark isle]

Not really haven't seen the video

I mostly use in game stuff

Such as clear we can see there

[stable tundra]

alright so you can watch the video proof

i'm sure you followed the exact move rotation

so the issue could be skill gears

[sweet fractal]

i cant kill the sides with pikachu ugh

[sweet fractal]

Need help, how to kill the sides 🙄

[covert marlin]

did you have to use the last sync to kill middle, maybe you could have saved it for the left one since that one has sandstorm

[sweet fractal]

Yes Pikachu’s 2nd sync killed the middle, but without the last sync the middle got too much hp

[rotund oasis]

Try to kill the hippo immediately after mid goes down.

[stable tundra]

Have you checked the video proof in the video doc? If you haven't, i recommend looking into it and try to replicate their skill gear set

For hard difficulty content like this having good skill gears is crucial and they might matter a lot in a vast majority of clears

[pliant jewel]

Might also be flinch rng if you flinch at the wrong time it could spell the end of the run

[sweet fractal]

it’s impossible ughh been trying so many times..

[sweet fractal]

After million tries FINALLY 😤

bluedos' flinch came clutch after pikachu's 3rd sync killing hippowdon

[solar stirrup]

impossible huh

[sweet fractal]

Definitely the most difficult UB so far

[slow sky]

It definitely is

[fervent mulch]

I haven't kept too much with the EBE clears but is this the first one where the rats did not clear it?

[rotund oasis]

the side are kinda chonkey 😭

[stable tundra]

SST Red still managed to get a few clears

This is their first successful attempt to stop the 2 rats

[fervent mulch]

We need to find a way to stop SSTRed now

[low coral]

Ash already hadn't done Ghetsis way back then

[fervent mulch]

what was ghetsis' gimmick?

[shrewd marten]

Wise entry 3 or touch skin 8

It was something like that

[fervent mulch]

I see

tough skin 8 sounds right

[stable tundra]

SS N's EBE right? Iirc that stage also asks for speed debuffs

[gentle wharf]

Hmm

Noland

Flying weak?

[warm haven]

prob

[clever widget]

Pinsir UB would be interesting

[warm haven]

as we just got cheren

[warm haven]

4000 atk fury cutter

[low coral]

Well, Noland can use almost every Pokémon from gens 1 and 2 lol

[gentle wharf]

Endless powerup fury cutter

Even if we prevent him from attacking it keeps rising

And it’s AoE

[warm haven]

nah if he actually has it prob the requirement for the UB is to deny him

[stable tundra]

Psychic? Flying?

or even Fairy?

[gentle wharf]

Freaking Machamp

[crude marten]

psychic maybe?

[jade marsh]

Battle Villa stage return

[gentle wharf]

Oh man just remembered lol

Anyway damage medals… huh

I see Rising Star, Ace Trainer, Gym Leader, Elite Four, and Champion medals

[hearty cedar]

Probably psychic. They'll take time to make a flying weak ub tailored to cheren later

I love how we eliminated fairy weakness

[valid raft]

Fairy would most likely require Sp. Atk. debuffs like how Nita was for speed

[low coral]

LMAO

You guys won't believe what Noland has

[legend_theme_6060_001] The opponent’s Fissure and Earthquake are
powered up! Avoid getting hit by attacks!

[valid raft]

Oh, they want us to use Fly

Wonderful

[crude marten]

fissure?

[valid raft]

So it is catered to NC Cheren

[crude marten]

is it flying weak confirmed?

[warm haven]

wtffffff

[low coral]

[legend_rule_6060_001] The total number of moves Machamp needs
to use before it can unleash a sync move is
reduced by 1 each time it uses a sync move.
[legend_rule_6060_002] The opponent ignores the endure effect and
your allies’ passive skills that reduce
damage.
[legend_rule_6060_003] The first time Machamp’s HP reaches 80%
and 50% or lower, it endures with that HP.

[warm haven]

let us use our own fissure at least

[low coral]

Palmer 2.0

[valid raft]

Ah yes, Piercing Blows

It's also conveniently SS Ethan's rerun

[warm haven]

yeah its another palmer but with two endures

[valid raft]

With his EXR

And Cheren is still active

[stable tundra]

I thought they would tone down the difficulty after Nita bs

[valid raft]

Fissure is ST right?

[stable tundra]

Yes

[valid raft]

[legend_rule_6060_001] The total number of moves Machamp needs
to use before it can unleash a sync move is
reduced by 1 each time it uses a sync move.

What does this mean?

[stable tundra]

The sync countdown cap is lowered

[valid raft]

Ah

[crude marten]

isnt it that old solgaleo mechanics

[low coral]

It might start with 6 countdown, for example

[stable tundra]

6 to 5 after his first sync

[crude marten]

coop

[low coral]

The next is 5

Then 4

Etc

Until it literally only uses syncs

[valid raft]

Ah

[crude marten]

iirc they implemented way back for solgaleo event

[gentle wharf]

wtf Fissure

[valid raft]

So starting at Noland's 7th sync cycle, he can use a sync move every turn

[river prawn]

Good thing SLiza has protect

[crude marten]

is this their way to counter defensive approach like ssmina

[valid raft]

It's probably made towards Cheren more

[river prawn]

Ofc

But I am already looking for alternatives

[valid raft]

@low coral What's the disabling status looking?

[low coral]

As in flinch and stuff?

[stable tundra]

Will Dmg Guard Next protect the tank from OHKO move? We will find out

[valid raft]

Yeah

[low coral]

Idk

[valid raft]

Also, Fissure is guaranteed OHKO right?

[hearty cedar]

Yep

[valid raft]

And Noland ignores endure too

[warm haven]

and vigilance

[gentle wharf]

Fissure is single target right

[rotund oasis]

i wonder what HP they've got.

[stable tundra]

[gentle wharf]

Phew

So evading tanks…

[stable tundra]

All UBs have Piercing Gaze so far

[gentle wharf]

… Falkner?

[river prawn]

HPhoebe

[gentle wharf]

Oh I didn’t mean normal evasion haha

I meant uh

Dodge moves

Like Fly and Phantom Force

… LODGE ACEROLA’S TIME TO SHINE

[stable tundra]

[crude marten]

hopefully another stunnable ub

[valid raft]

https://tenor.com/view/mighty-eagle-stand-proud-hero-angry-birds-mighty-eagly-angry-birds-gif-12144330268119527809

[valid raft]

That'd mean that it's also tailor-made for Valkner

[crude marten]

not necessarily but he’ll be great there if so

[stable tundra]

Until you realize that you can't skip Fissure

[valid raft]

Is that even possible?

[stable tundra]

What i meant is that Noland won't stop using Fissure, even after recovering from stun

Not sure if that's the case

[valid raft]

Rotation immediately changes when you disable an opponent

[hearty cedar]

We have a good chance of it given how anni skyla is a flinch goddess

[crude marten]

depends on how the fight balance

[boreal abyss]

Flying weak?

Sky high Rayquaza, time to shine once more

[crude marten]

[hearty cedar]

Anni Steven's time to shine

[boreal abyss]

UBs won't stop catching Ls from Steven Stone

No wae

[valid raft]

Crit EQ

[boreal abyss]

We livin

No fear

I endured worse stuff

[hearty cedar]

We are living in post nita ub. We aint scared of that

[valid raft]

If Anni Steven didn't have Weather Wipe 9, then he would've been useless and I can see the Anni Steven lovers cope and seethe

[boreal abyss]

But this is not your universe so get Anni Steven'd

Jokes aside

I'll look at Noland later

[valid raft]

Also Cheren counters the speed gimmick of Nita so OFC you lived

[hearty cedar]

[valid raft]

Now I'm waiting for a UB with free move next every turn that always spams 4-gauge moves

[hearty cedar]

They'll introduce aoe protect user to go with that ub. And it'll be 2 uses. And most of us will not have it therefore we'll suffer

[low coral]

Mina already has AoE Protect, even if it's once

[valid raft]

Also adding Extend Range too

[hearty cedar]

Dena will do better than that and will ask us to pull a new aoe protect user, dw

[valid raft]

B Move Wide Guard with AoE protect and protects from AoE moves

[snow spruce]

so what is Nolands other gimmicks ? Like the damage reducing or damage boosting passives ?

Does dmg guard also negate Fissure?

@low coral for the Irida-Red-Cynthia team:
if you need to survive 1 Fissure in this fight - would it make sense to hold off Cynthias sync for later (right before the Fissure), since Mega-evolving will give her another dmg guard?

[low coral]

If necessary, yeah

Red 1st Sync is about as good

[hearty cedar]

I think this is the end of the poison team run

EQ getting powered up is unfair

Does noland have sure crit like palmer?

[warm haven]

bro dena is desperate

The details are already in the pastebin
https://pastebin.com/j7AmVH5t

he has really low hp at least

and it looks like he can't be interrupted

ngl we'll prob have the first UB solo with this one

thanks to cheren

[boreal abyss]

Battle looks interesting

[chilly dawn]

Ok what the fuck fuck

You need omnidrops?

[crude marten]

oh sides are way weaker this time

idt you can stun then

[chilly dawn]

You can

[final yacht]

No resilience means immunity to stun

Unflapp Antifreeze and Wide Awake never are in the pastebin

[chilly dawn]

I think they might want you to be flinchspamming these bc how else are you facing off piercing gaze fissure

[final yacht]

Fly

Bounce

Phantom Force

[chilly dawn]

Fairly sure piercing gaze ignores those?

[final yacht]

Shadow Force

Idt so

It's easy to test

[chilly dawn]

Piercing is "Your moves always hit"

[final yacht]

Except in certain circumstances

Probably

[chilly dawn]

So I feel like they might want you to be flinching this one

[final yacht]

Lemme check yk what

Im telling you they're immune to stun

[chilly dawn]

Iirc the text isn't circumstances, it's just "Your moves never miss"

And normally, yeah

But given all the BS they pull here? They might be angling to push for flinches

[warm haven]

Protect should work too

[chilly dawn]

Ok having googled, they do work

Bc fly etc cause it to fail rather than miss

[crude marten]

flinch would be too op considering their hp

[boreal abyss]

^

[crude marten]

idt you can stun but we’ll see

[boreal abyss]

I agree

[warm haven]

Yeah

[chilly dawn]

I mean I still have concerns about this damage rush

Like Good Form and all stats +2 on 80% and 50%?

Does NC Cheren even have omnidrops?

[warm haven]

Kill is the best omnidrop

[chilly dawn]

Fair but still

It's gonna be hard

[warm haven]

Nah you're not tanking this anyways so focus on damage

[chilly dawn]

Especially with how shitty using the DnS moves is in PoMa

[warm haven]

This is basically palmer but you need a way to evade fissure

[boreal abyss]

Ohko moves, who would have thought

[chilly dawn]

I feel like half the clears will be "If they Fissure, reset"

[warm haven]

ok dena it's time to implement revival blessing

[warm haven]

UBs are scripted, and it looks like noland starts with fissure lol

[boreal abyss]

He starts with it? Hahaha

[chilly dawn]

Oh lmao

[boreal abyss]

Now that's fun

[chilly dawn]

So yeah you are just doomed unless you have DnS on your hit taker

[river prawn]

Hmm Guard should protect against Fissure

You could go the route of hyper offense with SLiza NC Cheren

[boreal abyss]

True that I have Celesteela too

[final yacht]

I just have Celesteela lol

My best flying nuker is lodge Serena

[river prawn]

Yea also no NC Cheren

But it will be doable I think

[boreal abyss]

We will find our ways

Also remind me y'all

[chilly dawn]

Yeah I think NC Cheren is gonna be hard required but also he ain't gonna want to hit take

[boreal abyss]

Does my queen aura cyn has initial guard?

[stable storm]

what is Nolan doing?

[boreal abyss]

Asking for a friend

[river prawn]

Twice

On sync too

[crude marten]

yes

[chilly dawn]

All of the drugs

[final yacht]

Fissure

[crude marten]

[boreal abyss]

This is the part where I praise her like alwyss

God bless you Cynthia

[stable storm]

what is dns

[chilly dawn]

Piercing Gaze Fissure, Build Up with 5 stats +2 on 80% and 50%,Momentum

[chilly dawn]

Dodge and Strike

[stable storm]

what's momentum

[river prawn]

Also may be HPhoebe time to shine, she can dodge the instakills and ignores the attack raises

[chilly dawn]

Momentum is -1 max CD after you sync

[stable storm]

can nolan be stunned?

[final yacht]

That's adrenaline

Oh wait every sync

[chilly dawn]

No, Momentum stacks.

[river prawn]

Probably no stun

[final yacht]

Ah yes this one

[stable storm]

how bulky is nolan

[final yacht]

I remember now

[final yacht]

Not

[chilly dawn]

So 6 to start, second is 5, etc

[boreal abyss]

260k hp

Around those numbers

[final yacht]

200k hp sides have 70k

I'll update the doc soon

[stable storm]

I wonder if ss glad, hau and a damage guard unit can do nolan

[chilly dawn]

I feel like they're going to have cut the flinch immunity and you're expected to bring NC Cheren/ASkyla or some malarkey

[stable storm]

so he's more lethal, less bulky palmer with endure?

[warm haven]

Finally it's time for Anabel to shine

[chilly dawn]

2 endures

But yes

[river prawn]

There are no damage reducing passives so it's just a race

[chilly dawn]

80% and 50%

[stable storm]

also when does he click fissure?

[chilly dawn]

Immediately

[boreal abyss]

It seems turn 1

[wary hemlock]

gg

[chilly dawn]

So you need DnS or initial guard

[wary hemlock]

u can use falkner fly to avoid lol

[boreal abyss]

Or you just fly away

With the power of friendship

[chilly dawn]

You need omni debuffs to get around Good Form assblasting you