runner did full fire on darach
#Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles
frozen meteor
oh shit
spiral summit
Really scare Rika passive will ruin quad queue
But turn out her passive only ruin quad 1 time
frozen meteor
this will back fire if you dont have access to speed debuffs
Oleanna has debuff btw
Easiest lucy battle of my life
crude marten
yeah she does 
crude marten
i thought youre doingn triple offense
crude marten
darach is possible though if you want to try 
crude marten
<a:bup_bup_bup:1084459674344095756>
clod carry 
frozen meteor
darach is possible though if you want to try <:DawnNom:632438643935674381>
Next week when I ex oleanna
silver spruce
I’ve had decent success with Paulo tanking Darach to enable SS Diantha
final yacht
jujube is her french name lol
rotund oasis
Whose the one on the right?
stable tundra
it's literally the team in the video above
fading walrus
jujube is her french name lol
It's jp
final yacht
well it's french too 
fading walrus
Because French took the JP name 1:1
fading walrus
it's literally the team in the video above
Yeah I wanted to highlight it
The max move damage
rotund oasis
Dang. They manage to survive the max move? Kewl
fast pendant
It's a specific scenario, but expected to happen with Belle
fast pendant
Since you need atk debuffs and replace zone alongside belle's defensive profile
Circle doesn't have any effect on max moves
fading walrus
Dang. They manage to survive the max move? Kewl
And a rock slide after it
valid raft
Circle doesn't have any effect on max moves
Well, I kinda expect it for when Palmer attacks
On Giga Impact and Rock Slide
fading walrus
Ofc you can't say she's a Palmer cheat code, but she can definitely help weaker archetypes
Especially for rally
fast pendant
Giga impact for the dmg shown is possibly survivable for some specific comps
fading walrus
Yeah, especially if Master passives are involved
fast pendant
Master passive gets ignored by PB
low coral
Palmer ignores Master Passives
fading walrus
Aw
valid raft
Yeah, especially if Master passives are involved
I thought Piercing Blows ignores MF passives?
low coral
It's only debuffs and field effects that works
valid raft
Well MF passives are, after all, "passives"
And PB ignores "passives"
Also, can anyone test Bellelba + NC Nate + Volo to see how much mitigation they'll receive?
fast pendant
I think Belle, NC Rosa and Steven can clear Palmer post sync
low coral
Gonna go with DeoA still?
fast pendant
Yeah
low coral
Idk if the Rock Slide is survivable for him
valid raft
But can anyone try what I said?
rotund oasis
Im patiently waiting for Leon UB. Even got ss hau too lol
valid raft
Awaiting SST Red solo on Leon 
fading walrus
Imma clear with Geeta first to keep her be in every UB successfully 
fading walrus
Awaiting SST Red solo on Leon <:GladionSip:1208936502399344650>
Idk, 600k sounds hard to solo || ||
sour elk
Idk if the Rock Slide is survivable for him
I wonder if he would need to, SS Steven can pre-max Palmer with a barely functioning Lana and no ramp abuse besides Rosa's EXR, with Lana doing like 1/5 of Steven's damage
warm haven
I think Belle, NC Rosa and Steven can clear Palmer post sync
Without removing zone?
sour elk
With an extra turn skip from Headstarts, he might not need to see Rock Slide if he can survive the max but that might be dicey
low coral
I wonder if he would need to, SS Steven can pre-max Palmer with a barely functio...
Wdym barely functioning Lana
sour elk
2/5 Lana without Propulsion, Headstart, Weird Might or Furious Brain
low coral
I wouldn't say that's barely functioning
You're still damaging sides for a turn skip and, of course, you got Terrain
fast pendant
I don't think Cris got turn skip in hos
sour elk
Steven denied Empoleon on turn 6 with 1 sync and 1 Psychoboost (around 101K damage), if I had targeted Empoleon on turn 5 too, I wouldn't have needed Lana's output at all to deny Empoleon on the same turn
But I'm worried about Belle needing to sync to apply terrain since she doesn't further accelerate countdown
I guess with Headstart 3 round skip it would even out to Rosa's sprint effect, but I worry that Belle's terrain might not last until Steven's 2nd sync
warm haven
you kinda dont need as much sync accel because with bell you're gaining extra turns post max.
sour elk
I just worry about terrain maintenance next to NC Rosa since Belle can only apply it one time
But if SS Steven can tank Rockslide it might be enough gas
By syncing with Rosa first and then Belle, Steven would sync by turn 7 which is sadly after Empoleon's move triggering sync, but it would open a denial opportunity on Snorlax and probably Empoleon afterwards
If only Belle had Max Countdown 2 max mindstorm 
hearty cedar
Mix blue is goood
1/5, forgot to give lucky skills, lvl 150 ex'd, no ex role, no grid investment at all
shrewd marten
1/5, forgot to give lucky skills, lvl 150 ex'd, no ex role, no grid investment a...
I’m ngl ncleaf probably did all the work
Blue was just chilling
hearty cedar
Tbh, blue only took care of the sides
But mine is still 1/5 with almost no investment so I can't blame him
fading walrus
It's still a 5* field fire unit with debuffs, max flare bomb and great gauge
shrewd marten
Does beleba do anything special beyond crit shield
regal jacinth
There is a Way to beat Palmer with Rei & Decidueye, But, Whithout supports with Head Start ? I dont have much deluxe cookies 
sour elk
Which supports do you have? There might be a way since Rei in particular has a lot of potential partners
regal jacinth
SS Cynthia 1/5 and others not so good.
I tried with SS Cynthia and SC Steven, but Gigas max move me before finish.
That timing its really annoying
'Btw, SS Cynthia with Speed EX too, but isn't enough yet
low coral
Does beleba do anything special beyond crit shield
Well, supports that give screens with reliable defenses and heal in general already are rare
Even beyond the crit shield
I can't remember any, most of them lack at least one of those aspects
silver spruce
SS Cynthia 1/5 and others not so good.
I tried with SS Cynthia and SC Steven, bu...
Is Rei ex roled and do you have SC diantha?
regal jacinth
Is Rei ex roled and do you have SC diantha?
Rex Ex oled to.
I have her but only 1/5
shrewd marten
go to battle rally channel
because i have no idea what the emo guy is
well i have some ideas but what battle who knows
urban sapphire
Where is the challenge
Channel'
sour elk
SS Cynthia 1/5 and others not so good.
I tried with SS Cynthia and SC Steven, bu...
Ohh that sounds tight but it might be possible with Cynthia and Steven, what move level is your Rei?
shrewd marten
#1009564564821639379
regal jacinth
Ohh that sounds tight but it might be possible with Cynthia and Steven, what mov...
3/5
sour elk
Okay, I think it should be doable, I'll try to experiment a bit and see if I can help
silver spruce
I don’t suppose Cynthia is exroled?
regal jacinth
Okay, I think it should be doable, I'll try to experiment a bit and see if I can...
Thx, I think i lack 1sync and one move to finish idk
regal jacinth
I don’t suppose Cynthia is exroled?
SS Cynthia 1/5 Exroled - Rei 3/5 Exroled - SC Steven 1/5
sour elk
okay, I recorded a clear, strat might not be perfect but it seems good enough to be guaranteed
My cynthia and Steven are a bit more invested but I used blank grid/no Lucky skill on both
oh lol I didn't even click Triple Arrow Barrage before Rei's 2nd sync, I think my finger slipped but it could've been pre-sync probably
regal jacinth
Thx, i'll try that.
rotund oasis
My cynthia and Steven are a bit more invested but I used blank grid/no Lucky ski...
dat intense tapping can be heard lol.
sour elk
oops I forgot to turn off mic, yeah I'm a frenzy tapper, over 11 clicks per second and I still miss far too much 
crude current
would blue (mix), leaf (champion), and morty (sygna) make for a good team? or would it need a more focused DPS?
blue and leaf are 1/5 but morty is 5/5
stable tundra
#916852389347196958 is the right channel for team crafting
unless you are asking about the team against a specific content
crude current
oops wrong channel ty
left crow
@stone scarab rip
novel fog
I don't think this team is capable of beating Thorton
stable tundra
that's right, the team's dmg is low
novel fog
If Cerena is 3/5 she might want some help with taking the sides down fast enough before stealth rock goes up
Better to swap cCalem over ncRosa imo
left crow
If Cerena is 3/5 she might want some help with taking the sides down fast enough...
She is
rotund oasis
https://youtu.be/W7_WpoUMlpM there we go
novel fog
me need SS Morty 
rotund oasis
badly gridded tbh
cloud badge
Is there a video of Cerena & Archie and Ss Kris with grid & Skill Gears shown?
Against Darach
There’s a team in replay I want to try
stable tundra
there is no video clear showing the details afaik
fading walrus
That bandana looks awful tbh
45 spa is really really bad
You're better off running type gear
stable tundra
the passives are not really good either
cloud badge
So this bandanna is bad only? I could reroll
stable tundra
ideally you should reroll other pieces too
night stream
Anything that is not >70 SpAtk on a bandanna should be rerolled
Unless godlike passives
hearty cedar
<@403032251329282063> rip
Replace nc.calem with someone else. Like nc.marnie, nc.red, nc.nate etc
shrewd marten
How did it have so little damage
silver spruce
I’m ready for Leon. Piers about to cook
clear walrus
Can any of the ultimate battles be auto’d?
jade marsh
Can any of the ultimate battles be auto’d?
Never happening
Outside of the glaring issues with how AI figures out what to queue, the 1 move queue per turn would just break you
marble flume
I don't think you could even auto most high-point value CS stages
frozen meteor
@swift scarab the fairy rival dream team
Splat
BRING ME LEON
Wait
Leon IS weak to fairy right?
leaden dagger
Scale of 1 to 10, how dead am i before attempting?
low coral
Scale of 1 to 10, how dead am i before attempting?
The only possible roadblock is Cerena's investment level
Otherwise it's a clear
sour elk
Leon IS weak to fairy right?
He uses electric-weak Charizard rather than Dragapult
modest orchid
Do we know the gimmicks of Leon’s UB? Is it going to be a rats exclusive clear?
marble flume
I doubt it’ll be exclusively OPikachus to clear
sour elk
He needs to be statused, sides deal constant AoE sleep, demands a field effect like Darach, has high offensive stats
sour elk
Electric techs will likely do well
modest orchid
I didnt mean literally, more like how Anabel REALLY incentivizes Cerena
warm haven
electric has actually good pairs besides rats and zapdos
marble flume
I’ll be trying a C. Elesa + SS Roxie + NC Blue clear, personally
shrewd marten
I’ll be going in with ncleaf probably
Wonder how I’ll get around the gimmick without sstr but
That’s a problem for future me
sour elk
I'll do some SS Steven variant 
shrewd marten
Is there a wacky fire type that paralyzes
sour elk
You can burn him, any status would work I think
sour elk
Unbeatable force Vs unbeatable object
shrewd marten
It’ll all be on ssmorty to tank sun boosted stuff that leon throws at me
While Leon does zero damage
But I believe
modest orchid
Leon doesn’t seem to have aged well unfort
silver spruce
While Leon does zero damage
Variety Kiawe would be decent too. Instant debuffs and willo wisp extend range
leaden dagger
OK what am I doing wrong here? Why is this team not an auto win?
warm haven
Argenta has two "bars" of hp, before and after 50%. Both times you have to override the rain and apply rebuff so save adamans bmove and one use of sunny day for the second bar
leaden dagger
That I knew of, I've been keeping the stuff pretty fine, but the sync just decimates
Like first one isn't a problem, but then she gets a second one and suddenly I'm taking half health
mental jasper
I assume you overwrote rain on the 50% hydro pump?
leaden dagger
There was no rain during the sync
I couldn't get rid of the rain in time for the hydro pump cause she was super low by that previous sync
mental jasper
once she hits 50% she sets infinite rain and immediately fires rain boosted hydro pump so you have to predict it, otherwise spread your rebuffs from adaman so you can reapply after your presumably adaman sync
mental jasper
adaman's 3/5 grid doesn't really give him anything of note for sustainability other than multipliers, I'll try a 1/5 grid on my 3/5 and make sure the team just stays alive long enough
mental jasper
sun on sync is base
warm haven
ah true
mental jasper
sun extension is nice but that team should be making it to at least second half reliably
yeah a 3/5 adaman with a 1/5 grid can clear there
was also using grass guard acerola oops (I was only crit on the last liquidation)
leaden dagger
OK I think I understand why, I synced with mix red first over adaman
The setting sun from adaman was what let me keep things alive
mental jasper
yeah red never synced for me, it was acerola once then straight adaman
leaden dagger
I synced with him much later than before when the terrain was dwindling
Plus the -6 spdef made it a good hit anyway
shrewd marten
adaman's 3/5 grid doesn't really give him anything of note for sustainability ot...
Wtfdym 3/5 has drought alert and makes his nuke gargantuan
It’s a huge overall boost
mental jasper
anything of note for sustainability being the key words
and sure enough the team has no problems staying alive as long as you run vigilance acerola
mental jasper
yeah you should not be wiping at 53% hp
leaden dagger
But lol, of course the ones I actually cannot complete are the very first posted ones
mental jasper
I still need to do palmer, lucy and thorton myself, don't have the patience to get the quadqueues for palmer and haven't attempted the other 2 yet lol
leaden dagger
Tmk it's expected to have nc leaf, but then I see this
mental jasper
well could be because rats, they clear somewhere between a lot and everything with investment
stone scarab
there are several team comps that can clear it without Leaf
without any fire type at all, even
leaden dagger
fast pendant
how does it have 2 sync buffs when you have 4
marble flume
It’s even worse if that was Thorton’s 3rd Sync
Because if that was Thorton’s 3rd Sync that means you have massive queueing problems
fast pendant
it got it 2nd sync and you just got your 3rd
so there's a huge queueing issue already
marble flume
Yeah, there’s queueing problems already, but they’re even worse queueing problems if it was Thorton’s 3rd
mental jasper
did zapdos not sync because there isn't a second stage of rebuff?
marble flume
Wait
mental jasper
I think that's a straight 4 syncs
marble flume
Is NC Blue not EX or something?
fast pendant
marble flume
Because afaik that’s the only reason why you wouldn’t Sync with NC Blue
If he’s EX then there’s no excuse
mental jasper
idk even non ex nc blue might want to sync because that's still increasing damage output beyond the standard sync buff, just slightly less obvious
grave pendant
If he’s EX then there’s no excuse
He is EX, I notice that outfit
marble flume
Yeah, there’s still Sync incentive without EX, but it’s at least an understandable thought process to not Sync if he isn’t EX
But if he’s EX then there’s zero reason why you wouldn’t 1st Sync with him
mental jasper
still, make sure you're getting first sync in with him for support ex
leaden dagger
It's actually even gettingbworse
mental jasper
I think recommended grids run ice guard + vigilance tile? unless move level is an issue
leaden dagger
All 3/5
warm haven
You dont need ice guard if you run Electrorepulsion 3
marble flume
But he's weak to ice and gets decimated
That has no bearing on Syncing with him
warm haven
Some people just tank with sst red tho
mental jasper
You dont need ice guard if you run Electrorepulsion 3
this too, he's got more options for damage reduction than I remembered
marble flume
Type weakness is irrelevant to the impact an EX NC Blue’s Sync would have
warm haven
It's actually even gettingbworse
from what i see thorton has his def raised, didnt you paralyzed them?
marble flume
I can only assume that Thorton got flinched and recovered before SST Red used Max Move
warm haven
yeah
leaden dagger
Yeah still nothing
And that was the first sync
It's actively gotten worse
....oh....
mental jasper
has any palmer team survived the max move or do you have to kill pre-max move
mental jasper
oh I can almost replicate that mina clear... only 3/5 dahlia so no max countdown 2 but I have +6 energy unlocked for the full team already so that can maybe be useful
I am nowhere near invested enough for that bellelba clear, only 1/5 oleana and ss roxies with no exs on the team to speak of
dim lance
Anabel can do it too
But unless the other unit can change zone or has DG
Someone is probably gonna die
mental jasper
I was trying the damage race with Rei earlier and I'll probably stick with that in the end, but having other options to fall back on when suffering from quadqueue skill issue is nice for sure
true lagoon
Wonder how I’ll get around the gimmick without sstr but
any status works
rich heron
left crow
Any fire types?
Oh sorry i just saw this now
I have leon, anNi, victini (but 1/5), ss red
frozen meteor
A crit crunch literally sent blue from 100% to endure proc at max def min attack
I hate this game
Flying guard kinda made darach hit like a wet noodle
Still
Goddamn
Heat wave double burn is so real i am traumatized i need status immune on vlyra
frozen meteor
Emolga...
Well at least she can support at 1/5 agaist Leon
Light Screen and debuff
urban sapphire
🤔
So trying to finish the ultimate battles
But getting wiped in 2 attacks
What is the catch to these matches?
So am trying anabel
I set rain what else?
And trying to deal dmg with gloria
valid raft
Have you read the gimmicks of the fight?
urban sapphire
Yes she endures
Permanent fields
And more dmg reduction when stats are raised
valid raft
What's your team?
fast pendant
can you show your units
fast pendant
I don't think you can beat with your current ones
UB are super endgame so you need quite the invested units for most stages
and mostly premium ones
Argenta, Darach and Lucy are easier so they're more accessible, but still needs some invested teams to beat it
low coral
Am bored till CS refresh what to do then
Lucy's the easiest UB, you might have a shot vs her
Since your Ground roster isn't terrible
urban sapphire
Let me try then
low coral
For her, remember that Antitoxin is a Lucky Skill
modest orchid
Am bored till CS refresh what to do then
Are you able to reset to do it again for funsies? (I.e. do you have MM unlocked)
Might be fun to try the battles again with some different units if you really want to play this game instead of do other things
hearty cedar
Oh sorry i just saw this now
I have leon, anNi, victini (but 1/5), ss red
Use victini + nc.serena
Use serena's nuke and water shuriken till thorton drops to 60%. Use victini's searing shot as well
After 60%, spam v-create from victini and either brutal swing or water shuriken(water shuriken should only be used to deal with the sides) with greninja and use the dark sync nuke on thorton using nc.serena
hearty cedar
Got bored so I thought I might as well give ghetsis a win against a UB
urban sapphire
Are you able to reset to do it again for funsies? (I.e. do you have MM unlocked)
Next week
hearty cedar
I just love field ex on strikers and techs, anyone with field ex anni may here?
I need advice on her
fading walrus
Mine is only 1/5
cosmic token
I just love field ex on strikers and techs, anyone with field ex anni may here?
She can be fun.
rotund oasis
woohoo, Anni May 3/5 o/
gentle wharf
So many Techs I wanna candy but so few in my inventory lol
runic sundial
One can only imagine having tech candy
cosmic token
One can only imagine having tech candy
Tech Pairs are like a drunk bar fight when it comes to candies.
sour elk
I've been trying to defeat Palmer with SS Mina, Oleana and Geeta but I'm struggling
I think three consecutive syncs with 3/5 EXR Oleana should just about defeat Regigigas, after SS Mina taking first sync
but it depends on Mina getting TM MPR, and right now I'm needing to use 1 Blooming Mortal Spin before first sync to complete the -3 with Headstart 1 on SS Mina and Oleana's TM
I think I need Headstart on Geeta too, to preserve Blooming Mortal Spin mp then I think it should be possible 
true lagoon
i was gonna say maybe try hs1 instead of an offensive skill
cuz iirc cs2 gets heavily diluted cuz of the pmun spam
sour elk
sadly I ran out of deluxe cookies
true lagoon
rip
sour elk
so I'm patiently waiting for next gauntlet season
true lagoon
it should definitely work
crude marten
any reason using mina if youre planning to take him out before max?
sour elk
I intend Mina to block Max and Rockslide
crude marten
ah
sour elk
Iit's possible to survive max with green health HP by using her Protect and changing zone, but I need TM MPR to also block crit on the Rock Slide, and I'm hoping I survive that
i haven't gotten that far into the fight yet haha
getting the TM mpr is annoying because it's late into the fight
I need to turn on the percentage toggle
left crow
Use victini + nc.serena
Use serena's nuke and water shuriken till thorton drops...
Isn't victini too frail to withstand attacks
stable tundra
that's a working team, i beat Thorton with it
is Victini 3/5?
or are all of them 3/5?
stable tundra
according to the candy tierlist, Victini is higher than Lance
hearty cedar
Isn't victini too frail to withstand attacks
With ss morty, she can live, especially with support ex role
gentle wharf
So does Bellelba shut down Palmer’s Crit ?
covert marlin
yes, should be
gentle wharf
Sweet, alright gonna try a dumb team vs Palmer lol
gentle wharf
Hmm nope didn’t work
gentle wharf
Yeah I tried Cerena + Geeta + Bellelba, but not enough firepower and even without Crit terrain boost still hurts lol
left crow
With ss morty, she can live, especially with support ex role
Ss morty ncserena and ss hilda won't work though
I need status change
stable tundra
try NC Rosa, NC Serena and SS Hilda
you can try without 3/5 Hilda first
and nuke with Cerena if she is 3/5
left crow
I'm sorry but they hit too hard
hearty cedar
Use ice guard on nc.rosa
stable tundra
you shoud pick Team Stoic
Runner used this grid on Rosa and Cerena: https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=010102064800&s0=3&l0=150&r0=6&p0=0&a0=15010101&t0=44444&x0=true&g0=AAECAwQFBgcKDRAaHB4hIyQl&v1=013003065800&s1=3&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=15010101&t1=4444&x1=true&g1=AAECAwQFBggLDh0gIyksLi8&v2=000403049400&s2=5&l2=150&r2=6&p2=0&a2=13010602&t2=44444&g2=AAECAwQFDA8SFRYXGigxNDU
hearty cedar
I'm sorry but they hit too hard
Here's a proof that nc.rosa would work, i had ice zone and did like 5 syncs + this dark black outrage
I got like 3 potion mpr's
Try ice guard on rosa
stable tundra
3/5 for max efficiency
left crow
I also tried aNni instead of ncerena for max passives
stable tundra
Anni N can't replace Cerena
left crow
He also can't survive long 😦
stable tundra
i thought you said Rosa and Cerena were 3/5
left crow
No
hearty cedar
Anni N is better used with cerena instead of replacing her with him
left crow
Ncerena is 2/5
hearty cedar
Let me try morty + anni N + nc.rosa
left crow
I think i might get a supoort candy though
hearty cedar
Let me try morty + anni N + nc.rosa
Nvm, the nuke setup will take forever
stable tundra
then you can't beat Thorton for now
left crow
I was planning on using it on elaine but not beating this really bugs me
left crow
Should i wait until ncrosa is 3/5?
hearty cedar
Beating ultimate battles without 3/5 is hard, especially offtyping them
hearty cedar
Should i wait until ncrosa is 3/5?
Yes
hearty cedar
Nc.blue and nc.rosa are used in clearing every ub so its a good investment
stable tundra
Cerena also wants 3/5
hearty cedar
Didnt you say your nc.serena was at 2/5?
stable tundra
Ncerena is 2/5
left crow
My ncrosa is 2/5
left crow
<:RoxanneThis:661024696346607635>
I was hacked 
hearty cedar
3/5 nc.serena + 2/5 nc.rosa + 1/5 ss hilda
This is the team you just used?
left crow
Yes
hearty cedar
Oh ok, then you just need to candy rosa a bit more for potion spamming
left crow
Is potion mpr locked behind 3/5
hearty cedar
Most of it is, yes
hearty cedar
Check some yt vids for more ideas
hearty cedar
Did you clear argenta?
stable tundra
you can note down important things
hearty cedar
1 more candy on rosa should be enough
left crow
Did you clear argenta?
Yup! Via trial and error lol
I think i used bulurola, mixred, and ncerena
stable tundra
make sure everyone has Vigilance
left crow
Ohh
stable tundra
that team cant clear before the second sync
left crow
And i was cursing because of dire hit...
Btw i have a concern
Triple axel + icicle crash gives heavy damage to my tank, how to mitigate it
stable tundra
buff defenses and debuff defenses
it's advised to build gears to improve this team
left crow
Sorry gakon but like this is the ub i haven't cleared yet so I'm a bit persistent
stable tundra
you can give it a try
hearty cedar
I just tried that team
With ungridded hilda
Without vigilance its definitely a pain
Heck, using nc.nate over ss hilda is way easier
Problem with this team is that we need a good chunk of potion mpr's, like 3-4 minimum
left crow
I will put vigilance then
hearty cedar
Triple axel + icicle crash gives heavy damage to my tank, how to mitigate it
Use ice guard as your tank's lucky skill
hearty cedar
Put it on your tank
left crow
Use ice guard as your tank's lucky skill
Ooh that's a thought
stable tundra
Use ice guard as your tank's lucky skill
Rosa will die to crit moves
left crow
I think a solution is hope for burn to proc
stable tundra
burn will not help
hearty cedar
Rosa will die to crit moves
Most of the pain is in getting the mid to 60%. After that its a smooth sailing
stable tundra
i dont think so
hearty cedar
I did 2 syncs when thorton was at 2 count
So the 3rd sync will be at thorton's 5 count after a sync
4th sync at his 2 count again
Try to fish for a flinch with serena to do the 5th sync
stable tundra
i did the team before, and Cerena clutched with flinch
this was with 3/5 Hilda btw
hearty cedar
Sides will die to searing shot spam
stable tundra
Ice Guard Rosa as well
stable tundra
yeah
hearty cedar
Flinch is kinda needed here
stable tundra
from 60% onwards Cerena will enter dark mode
left crow
Most of the pain is in getting the mid to 60%. After that its a smooth sailing
Funny thing
I made thorton reach 60% with cerena, ncalem and ss morty
Until thorton syncs and they all die
stable tundra
is Calem 3/5 and do you have NC Blue?
left crow
Fucking dire hittrr
hearty cedar
I'd say that using this team is harder than using nc.nate over ss hilda, thats for sure
stable tundra
You better hope that serena debuffs his atk and sp.atk lol
looks like crit ruined the plan
left crow
is Calem 3/5 and do you have NC Blue?
Yes to calem being 3, no to having ncblue
I know the compendium has frogs and blue but i don't have the latter
stable tundra
hearty cedar
she's at -6 both
You got critted huh, what numer sync was that? Throton's 3rd sync?
stable tundra
just give everyone Vigilance
left crow
I'm not sure i think it was second
stable tundra
if you cant kill them fast
left crow
just give everyone Vigilance
Even so, that team wouldn't clear methinks
stable tundra
2 crit buffs mean 50% crit on sync already
left crow
Everyone needs a status change and I can apply rebuff twice only
hearty cedar
With 1/5 victini, you are pretty much offtyping the stage so you need to kill the stage before his 2nd sync, maybe its ok till 2 syncs + 3 moves but thats about it
silver spruce
I just love field ex on strikers and techs, anyone with field ex anni may here?
A little late but I have a max invested on her. (5/5 EXR +10) if you still need advice on her.
hearty cedar
I have her at 1/5
I don't mind investing in her if her field ex is better than ss lana's terrain setting capability
Bcuz so far, I'm loving field ex role units(nc.nate, sstr, ss morty)
silver spruce
You have SS Brendan?
hearty cedar
Nope
silver spruce
Mays multipliers are smarty pants and devestation.
The issue is she buffs slowly by herself and her debuffs are limited to -1 until post mega
The. She gets -2
hearty cedar
Ye thats the issue, she is kinda helpless in nuke management if we don't use ss brendan
Thats why I never invested in her
silver spruce
She works with mallow and the like
I had Brendan before I pulled her which helped a lot
I love her 4/5,5/5 grid though
hearty cedar
I want to know if field ex anni may is better than ss lana in terms of PT management or not
Most likely no right?
silver spruce
If you have Anni Steven I adore using them to ramp with propulsion
hearty cedar
I have both rosa and steven
silver spruce
Lana is extended everytine. May gets the extension once
May will do better damage but it’s single target
I personally prefer her over Lana, but both are really good
spice swift
So thoughts on Leon
valid raft
Besides paralyze, I think Oleana or some other Venom Drench unit can shut down Leon's buffs after he syncs
gentle wharf
Poison eh
rotund oasis
hrm i kinda want to run SS Morty 3R + NC Leaf for that sun hrm.
not sure what the sides will be though hmm.
Mix Blue 1 or Variety Kiawe 3
left crow
@hearty cedar omg i have 20 support coins all along
left crow
Noooo
wary hemlock
is this UB?
stable tundra
That's photoshopped
wary hemlock
oh
stable tundra
And that's for Pasio Stadium, not an UB
wary hemlock
pasio stadium?
stable tundra
Check #1009554906568462476 pins for infographic. This month we are getting Fairy weak stadium with NC Nate
wary hemlock
oh ok thanks
onyx cedar
those stages are the ones you get to fight in the NC events
the only one that didn't get a stage has been Blue
I just added all of them to not bother on doing that later on
pine sonnet
Looking at the doc for Thorton because I' ve got him for Rally round 10. Just making sure I'm not missing anything - I'm looking for consistent status and defense debuffs?
true lagoon
Looking at the doc for Thorton because I' ve got him for Rally round 10. Just ma...
negative status change but sides have friend care so every time they use an item it immediately procs resilience if you use flinch sleep or freeze
silver spruce
Ideally Thorton will want rebuff
true lagoon
rebuff is the intended method
pine sonnet
Would poison get cured ever?
silver spruce
You need to use special attacks on Articuno and Sides, after 60% use physical moves
silver spruce
Would poison get cured ever?
You need a status change, not a status condition
pine sonnet
Oop +reading
true lagoon
Would poison get cured ever?
status doesnt get cleansed but he wants status change not condition
pine sonnet
But rebuff won't get cleared?
silver spruce
You're looking for Rebuff, No Evasion, Confusion, or Restrain
pine sonnet
You need to use special attacks on Articuno and Sides, after 60% use physical mo...
What makes this part happen? I'm not seeing it on the doc
silver spruce
What makes this part happen? I'm not seeing it on the doc
Its his passives
pine sonnet
Obnoxious lmao
true lagoon
What makes this part happen? I'm not seeing it on the doc
he starts with tripled physical defense then swaps to special defense at 60%
pine sonnet
I'm using NC Leaf so I guess it's finally nice that she's mixed?
true lagoon
well she was designed for the stage
silver spruce
Leaf is the intended unit
pine sonnet
Oh that helps
silver spruce
Yup use a decent support and you should be ok
left crow
Can i use ssteven for thorton
valid raft
You can, but who's gonna be your physical DD?
craggy wind
valid raft
Is he 3/5 and EXR?
left crow
You can, but who's gonna be your physical DD?
Zen headbutt gaming
valid raft
I actually hate Sycamore's Team Shout so much
raven wharf
How do I do triple johto mission for ssmorty event
modest orchid
I’ll play around with some comps you have there and see if I can figure something out. Idk how important getting rid of the sand is like if it has to be done immediately or if you can hold off
modest orchid
How do I do triple johto mission for ssmorty event
Do you have Dauntless on Silver?
modest orchid
Ok so you’re probably better off going a physical route. Do you have the means to grid Silver and Supp Bugsy?
modest orchid
I don’t either and I ended up managing. If no one helps you before like 1 I’ll sit down and try to figure something out unfortunately I have plans in a few mins
hearty cedar
How do I do triple johto mission for ssmorty event
Silver + ethan + falkner
I used ss morty instead of falkner but falkner should be good enough
modest orchid
I used ss morty instead of falkner but falkner should be good enough
The sand on entry doesn’t matter too much I guess? That was the big hang up for me on trying to figure out a good comp. Shoehorning Pryce in to get rid of sand until first sync would definitely make things harder lol
raven wharf
Btw
hearty cedar
The sand on entry doesn’t matter too much I guess? That was the big hang up for ...
Just get rid of it with silver's sync
raven wharf
Sync with falkner for supp ex or silver for sun
modest orchid
Just get rid of it with silver's sync
Yes im wondering if the sand on entry has enough impact that that’s not enough. Obviously if it’s no problem making it until first sync then you wouldn’t bother but if the passives boosted by sand are just insane and you’re going to be crippled/wiped in 3 turns with sand up then you couldn’t do it lol
hearty cedar
Only took 1 sync, didnt even get to the 2nd sync
modest orchid
Ig they aren’t usually that brutal unless it’s EBE+
short gate
Is it reasonably possible to beat darach without using damage fields?
stone scarab
yes
you need a field effect, but things like Weather, Terrain and Zoones work fine to that effect
short gate
Ohh
stone scarab
damage fields help with dealing with the gradual healing he gets after he uses his TM but you can work fine without them
hearty cedar
Well rei is like the most preferred unit for that ub so it's a given you'd win lol
Gratz on slaying that demon
modest orchid
Ye this works very well
Seems like the biggest thing is Excadrill not using High Horsepower before you can get the sun going
hearty cedar
It absolutely doesnt matter
This stage is easy af
Just sync with silver
And go brr
You dont even need to grid falkner and no need for falkner sync
modest orchid
No it does matter it does 80% to Falkner in the sand and without Ethan being gridded, no EX or PB on Silver you need Falkner alive lol
modest orchid
They don’t have silver EX’d
modest orchid
It’s doable without either
hearty cedar
Ik
modest orchid
You just need to not get hit with high horsepower
hearty cedar
Let me try by using support ex after clearing all my grids
modest orchid
I still think syncing with silver is the play even without EX
But ig you can’t really test that since you do have him EX’d lol
hearty cedar
No grids at all, just used silver sync
My silver is ex'd but ex isnt required at all
We get more than enough turns to kill the stage even without the ex on silver
Used fly on turn 3 to dodge high horsepower(pretty sure I could have tanked it)
modest orchid
HHP does like 80-90% to non EX’d Falkner in sand
Once Sun is up doesn’t really matter what they do but you can’t take High Horsepower + any other move if HHP is used in sand
lol whatever the case though if they try they’ll get it with their units
I bet it would be pretty easy with Bugsy too, at least in my runs Ethan isn’t contributing much lol
But then you’d really not want to be hit
hearty cedar
Maybe
modest orchid
I just tried with Bugsy over ungridded Ethan and it was easier
I’ll record a run with it here in a few
Falkner went down before first sync and the other two still managed to pull it out with a single target sync from Silver
crude current
I thought this team would be enough for Anabel but she still kicking my ass. I almost have enough tokens to get Eusine to 3/5 - will it be enough?
Unfortunately no adrenaline on Kris
grave pendant
I thought this team would be enough for Anabel but she still kicking my ass. I a...
Iirc, Dahlia’s debuffing is not fast enough for Anabel.
Have you checked the pins for teams that cleared?
grave pendant
Every Dahlia team I’ve seen in the pins has someone else who can debuff with her 
true lagoon
Dahlia is -2 per turn is she not
no its not enough
if eusine was 5/5 this could work but as it is right now no
crude current
OK I'll try once more when Eusine hits 5/5, I was gonna pull on the banner with Silver anyways. Thank you!
grave pendant
if eusine was 5/5 this could work but as it is right now no
Disarm 9 I’m assuming, right?
true lagoon
yes
grave pendant
true lagoon
ss kris not having any debuff is kinda what kills the comp
if she did debuff reliably it would probably be doable albeit very difficult
but its not happening rn
crude current
Really wish Brine did more. Occasionally getting DEF up is a nice treat but not enough
sour elk
Has anyone cleared Lucy with Jacq? Not saying he couldn't but I'd like to see how he plays with bulkier sides and two thresholds
true lagoon
hes definitely done it but the 2 thresholds is annoying
cuz hes all about burst and thats exactly what lucy doesnt like
modest orchid
Why would they have designed Anabel that -2 per turn isn’t enough lol that’s ridiculous to think about
true lagoon
Why would they have designed Anabel that -2 per turn isn’t enough lol that’s rid...
because nc serena is -5
shes constantly getting buffed every time they attack and eusine’s flinch isnt reliable
silver spruce
Why would they have designed Anabel that -2 per turn isn’t enough lol that’s rid...
The bigger issue is that you want to use muddy water for the damage but after three uses you have capped spdef drops. But then have to use razor leaf to drop defense which is bad for damage. Easy pickings is nice but is not reliable for offensive debuffs which you want if facing Entei
stable tundra
Has anyone cleared Lucy with Jacq? Not saying he couldn't but I'd like to see ho...
There is a team involving him and SS Lana iirc
hearty cedar
Did no one realize penny has this? Cant we use this to clear palmer ub?
hearty cedar
Penny doing penny things
stable tundra
having crit shield is not enough
if that was enough, there would be more options than just SS Mina and Bellelba
hearty cedar
She can also debuff palmer's stats
Feels like could do the job
Atleast a bit with ss glad and ss wally
Wally with sprint ex should be good enough
-2 rebuff from penny and -1 rebuff from wally should be enough to turn deny the sides
stable tundra
that team's already proven to work
hearty cedar
I see, i didnt know
fading walrus
^
solar stirrup
Anyone know a team that can clear all ubs?
low coral
NC Red / Irida / Aura Cynthia or Chase
SS Mina / Oleana / Roxie
Tbolt Red / NC Blue / NC Silver
SS Gladion / SS Mina / SS Wally, for now, can
But I think Leon might stop them
warm haven
There's SS Mina + NC Serena + Dahlia too
low coral
Although that one may struggle with Leon too
warm haven
Yeah
crude marten
iirc leon will break non status comp
unless somehow they can bruteforce robust passive
low coral
iirc leon will break non status comp
Yeah, no status gives Leon crit immunity + 50% multiplier to moves, Sync, and Max
crude marten
true lagoon
so leon is the tornadus of ub
true lagoon
i mean that in the sense that hes a gatekeeper for full clears
low coral
Well, depends
Some comps are already gated by Anabel
Prob some may be by Palmer too
Idk if Thorton would gate anyone, but possibly too
Rip, I did Darach with Grusha / SS N / Irida, but forgot to screenshot
hearty cedar
Upload those clears if you have time(darach and lucy)
crude current
My closest attempt at completing the UB. Any tips on approaching the fight, or do I need to get Morty and Hilda move level up before trying again
low coral
Debuff more
hearty cedar
You didnt spam enough leer's
crude current
Is the idea to spam Leer with Leaf? I've been going Leer 》 Trainer 》 Flare Blitz spam with the occasional Potion
hearty cedar
Want me to try that team without any grids on morty and victini? Mine are ex roled tho
low coral
Make at least Thorton have negative stats, then you can use Flare Blitz to keep the debuffs down
I can see Thorton is using a Tough Sync 3 Sync Move
crude current
Want me to try that team without any grids on morty and victini? Mine are ex rol...
My Morty ans Hilda has EX role
low coral
So yes, open up with more Leers
crude current
So yes, open up with more Leers
How many at least? Or just the full 6?
hearty cedar
Is the idea to spam Leer with Leaf? I've been going Leer 》 Trainer 》 Flare Blitz...
You spam tm -> 3 leer's -> then flare blitz
Yes you wont use flare blitz till turn 5
low coral
Especially as Leaf's DPS won't contribute much at the start
crude current
Ahh
low coral
Only post-60%
hearty cedar
That way, you can save a sunny day too
crude current
And she still will get all the other debuffs with each Leer?
hearty cedar
Tho that doesn't matter now that morty has field ex
shrewd marten
Her leer is super powerful
hearty cedar
And she still will get all the other debuffs with each Leer?
Yes all 4
shrewd marten
She has a yugioh passive for it
And since her flare blitz is only a debuff doubler
Not debuffing them enough to be negative is such a waste
hearty cedar
3 leer's = all opponent has -3
1 flare blitz = -6 on that opponent
crude current
I didn't think to use Leer more than once lmao
She really is an incredible debuffer
crude current
She has a yugioh passive for it
Is this referring to the wall of text lmao
shrewd marten
Is this referring to the wall of text lmao
Well her sky illuminating blaze lowers 3 other stats and rebuffs upon using leer so I’d say it’s pretty yugioh esque
Lotta effects from one thing
crude current
Love that ☆
Could this team potentially do any of the other UBs or would that be pushing my luck lol
shrewd marten
I mean you have a 3/5 ncleaf
That’s your biggest opening to other ubs
Idk if you can do Lucy with 1/5 ssmorty but maybe
She’s pretty dang easy
crude current
She needs speed reduction, right? As long as I give antitoxin to whatever team can do that sounds like it should be fine
crude current
AH
shrewd marten
So you can slap on any speed debuffer and ncleaf will solar immunize you for basically the whole fight with proper timing
crude current
I see
shrewd marten
We have the doc in the pins so you can control f for pairs you have
hearty cedar
wtf that was so much easier tysm
Gratz
hearty cedar
Could this team potentially do any of the other UBs or would that be pushing my ...
That team can kill thorton, darach, argenta, lucy
However you may need 3/5 on all(depends). Darach should be easy enough
You dont need speed debuffer against Lucy, her ub is just that easy
shrewd marten
It makes life easier tho
I can do it without speed debuff but still easier with it
valid raft
Is the idea to spam Leer with Leaf? I've been going Leer 》 Trainer 》 Flare Blitz...
You have to use Leer twice to at least make Thorton have -1 defense buff
crude current
You dont need speed debuffer against Lucy, her ub is just that easy
I literally almost did it without any speed debuffs lol but I need just a small boost - only Nidoking left on 60%
crude current
That team can kill thorton, darach, argenta, lucy
However you may need 3/5 on a...
Darach is up next 🎯
crude current
I literally almost did it without any speed debuffs lol but I need just a small ...
Ran out of steam near the end Rock Slide OHKO'ed Victini
low coral
https://youtu.be/38-i6OEbcy4
Oh, nice, I was planning on trying that exact comp
valid raft
Where's my pre-sync Chase clear 
low coral
Against who? Thorton?
valid raft
Yes
gentle wharf
SS Mina / Oleana / Roxie
Wait this beat Palmer?
fast pendant
yes
gentle wharf
Huh I didn’t see it in the docs
crude kite
what’s the lowest level a sync pair should be for an ultimate battle? im thinking about trying to clear them at one point but idk where to start
stable tundra
when you are able to beat some UBs, levelling won't be an issue at all
the biggest issues comes from owning pairs who are capable of clearing, and most of them are PF and MF
crude kite
the biggest issues comes from owning pairs who are capable of clearing, and most...
yeahhhh, ive heard, a lot of people say it’s like the ubs are tailored to be defeated by certain sync pairs 🥲🥲 that’s why i haven’t even touched one ub yet
stable tundra
don't worry about beating them rn, they last for 976 years
gentle wharf
Can someone point me to the SS Mina/Oleana/SS Roxie vs Palmer clear post?
gentle wharf
Thankees
Oh geez that is some crazy expensive investments lol
Not liking how there’s also skill gear up there haha
Yeah that’s a bust
hearty cedar
I literally almost did it without any speed debuffs lol but I need just a small ...
I usually dont kill lucy, i try to chip the sides after lucy hits 40% bcuz she dies easily anyway
gentle wharf
Oh shoot I forgot what Leon needs
valid raft
Oh shoot I forgot what Leon needs
Status ailments
valid raft
Also field
gentle wharf
Any field?
valid raft
Also Leon buffs himself and his team's offensive stats when he syncs
valid raft
Any field?
Yes
valid raft
That can work, tho there are enemies with Inferno
stable tundra
Sides also put all allies to sleep
valid raft
NVM, only Leon has Inferno
valid raft
Not sure which unit this is asking for
Clearly a terrain that will certainly shock them
gentle wharf
Oh right electric weak lol
low coral
Any field?
Any field that works on the enemy side
Can't be ones that only works on yours
valid raft
Imagine if enemies had their own circle
hearty cedar
Oh shoot I forgot what Leon needs
Any field + any status
He removes both of them at 60% so we need to apply it again
hearty cedar
Any field that works on the enemy side
Think we can use the fire team on leon despite leon using fire moves?
I used fire weak genesect against darach in sun and his heat waves are not a bother, so leon's stage should be fine right? Especially if we remove the sun before he syncs
river prawn
As long as he is statused
low coral
Leon's pressure on Fire-weaks should be much higher than Darach's
That being said, Fire team should do fine
low coral
You don't want to ignore it
Especially on a Fire unit
Since he gets 50% on moves, Sync, and Max without status
If you add sun to it
crude marten
i think i worded that badly , you still have to inflict status but if you miss one burn or two the damage still goes in due to piercinng blows
gentle wharf
Could be useful
crude marten
since they will cleanse a few times
low coral
Eh, Blue Flare's not the strongest move either, but his Noble Roar should do decent
crude marten
Eh, Blue Flare's not the strongest move either, but his Noble Roar should do dec...
decent damage with leaf but yeah
getting strike rolex would definitely improve his performance on leon
low coral
I think his performance will be pretty average in the end, Leon's not a particularly good or terrible matchup for him
Piercing Blows sounds pretty small to really make a difference on Fire teams
crude marten
i just think strike tech is a good combo there due to bloated sides
low coral
But helps with bad RNG
crude marten
of course unit with extend range helps a lot as well
low coral
But yeah, high single target DPS with AoE nuke or Extend Range with Single Target should do good
gentle wharf
Does he have permanent sun?
low coral
Best Fire option I think will be Blue + Leaf
crude marten
Does he have permanent sun?
leon doesnt set sun
crude marten
lucy’s side was already kinda annoying with 200k hp
and leon’s casually adding 100k to his sides
low coral
Yeah, that's 2x bulkier than the bulkiest EBE mid ever iirc
crude marten
you can blame the rats for this kind of balance
hearty cedar
anni n is solid options for leon
Probably gonna be zekrom's 2nd ub clear(first one is darach but zapdos and sstr puts in a lot of work)
hearty cedar
Although Hostile Enviroment's pretty expensive on Leaf
I typically use this grid for most stages anyway
hearty cedar
i just think strike tech is a good combo there due to bloated sides
Of course
low coral
Probably gonna be zekrom's 2nd ub clear(first one is darach but zapdos and sstr ...
NC Blue + Tbolt Red is a duo clear vs Darach
valid raft
What's gonna be the F2P strat for Leon?
low coral
I mean in the literal sense
Not that they put a lot of work
You can just run no third, a 2 units team
hearty cedar
Ye
hearty cedar
What's gonna be the F2P strat for Leon?
Pokefairs allowed?
low coral
What's gonna be the F2P strat for Leon?
You ain't gonna F2P that
low coral
The most F2P is prob gonna be running SS Hau
hearty cedar
Ss hau + volkner should be good enough
silver spruce
Still need a good defensive support
fair sorrel
Oh wait Leon UB this reset
I need to prepare my team since it’s about to come this reset.
kind wasp
Does unaffected by field effect mean a damage field or wtz?
kind wasp
Im going to try this since I dont have SSTR or NC Blue 
roxie has strike cake but idt it matters, and I could give ss morty field cake but idk
By next monday I should be able to afford a cake for both anni skyla and ss morty but I also wanted to cake wally 
fast pendant
You might have a bit of trouble reapplying status condition
final yacht
Ash spams Thunder it should be fine
fast pendant
Against one target, sure
true lagoon
NC Leaf has Team Solar Immunity
isnt that a bad thing cuz leon is mostly fire
true lagoon
Does unaffected by field effect mean a damage field or wtz?
any field effect affecting the enemy side
kind wasp
any field effect affecting the enemy side
So wtz works?
kind wasp
You might have a bit of trouble reapplying status condition
Probably, but its only if I knock out leon right?
final yacht
at 60% mid and when sides use a trainer move
kind wasp
agile wave
1/5 morty is so insane bruh 
slate light
this will probably be fine for leon 
river prawn
I'll take the easy route and bring Geeta
broken crag
ash sst red and nc blue ezy clear
solar stirrup
1/5 morty is so insane bruh <:LucasFLOOSHED:778475360190464011>
you can clear with that comp?
fast pendant
#1128052735967764621
rotund oasis
Heh. Almost 1k hp o.o
stable tundra
he also needs to be statused
raven wharf
Should be fine
Blue can status
And red can do once too
Leon only removes status when he's about to die right
stable tundra
he cleanses a few times
raven wharf
Only twice no?
stable tundra
- When he reaches 60% HP threshold
- When sides use a X item all
lone bramble
Once at 60% and mid cleanses sides after getting KOd
raven wharf
I bring volkner instead of sspiers?
I can also bring max move grid for sstred
For 4 et instead of 3
raven wharf
Alright
stable tundra
Piers' attacks and Red's B Move ignores Robust Physique anyway, or you can grid Thunder Shock HE4
raven wharf
Sleep destroyed me
raven wharf
Piers' attacks and Red's B Move ignores Robust Physique anyway, or you can grid ...
Won't red's nuke failed?
stable tundra
aim to paralyze him before the nuke
stable tundra
Sleep destroyed me
time your ET
stable tundra
the mistake of having Electric weakness
proud marten
seems duoable
raven wharf
Ncblue keeps dying early for me
Heatwave takes red and Piers to 50%
Sparkling aria chips away blue's hp
Flare blitz+max move finishes him off
proud marten
electrorepulsion?
stable tundra
try to keep all of them statused
raven wharf
One sec
They were all statused
Leon flare blitz bought him to yellow health
Like 60%
Then died to max move
crude marten
yeah leon hits hard
inner heath
1/5 is enough by the way
orchid bridge
Leon max move is scary, had to change up my grid a bit
low coral
Honestly, Leon can be pretty tough to off-type
crude marten
for sure
rotund oasis
Freakin hell
exotic dome
I did not realize that once you bring Leon to 60% hp he removes terrain and butterfree put all my team to sleep
crude marten
orchid bridge
This battle with a sprint and field boost will be "What you don't have SST Red?" Good luck
rotund oasis
Its going to be nasty if its Normal, Hard and VH with all of him.
agile wave
"u can't use sleep in electric terrain"
Leon: Then just get rid of it 