he still has a clear
#Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles
true lagoon
fading walrus
Chase just been outshining blue for Palmer
true lagoon
but its far easier with chase
chilly dawn
I mean I don't have him so I wouldn't know
stone scarab
yeah its not really that great, you can't flinch, his defensive utility isn't particularly helpful because palmer will just murder you after a sync
fading walrus
Yeah
chilly dawn
my only pikachus are the 3* ones
true lagoon
3/5 sst was enough to get me darach and thorton
fading walrus
I just made do with Geeta + chop on day 2 and called it a day
true lagoon
i dont like the weather based ones
chilly dawn
same
true lagoon
cuz id have to double support and post sync
chilly dawn
anabel is a nightmare
true lagoon
if i ever get around to candying variety lyra anabel is pretty free
fading walrus
The stage is 200% made for him
chilly dawn
Even in rally with a fuckload of buffs, I still have to fully change my team to handle anabel
true lagoon
cuz fake tears + impeding strike and nc blue
fading walrus
Palmer is still worse than Anabel in rally
stone scarab
also doesn't manage Anabel iirc
chilly dawn
yeah I think SSAC/Rei is The Team for Palmer
true lagoon
also doesn't manage Anabel iirc
because you explode without removing the sun
stone scarab
Palmer vs Anabel in rally is like, what combo do you got
chilly dawn
idk palmer in rally depends how much you boost stack
stone scarab
like, anything that has Sprint on it i'm taking Palmer over Anabel any day
chilly dawn
if you have like seven or eight, he's kinda free
free-er than most anyway bc he has no damage thresholds
true lagoon
yeah thats just overspending
chilly dawn
I spend that like, round 1 on the scope lmao
chilly dawn
almost entirely to see if I need to build for Anabel or not
chilly dawn
I've had her come up as all three at least three times now
fading walrus
In hard she's free
chilly dawn
it's awful
chilly dawn
my only properly good debuff techs are nc leaf and nc serena
and neither is really useful there
random debuffs are horrific in the anabel fight
fading walrus
I won her with DPS Ssleaf in hard
Lol
NC Serena isn't useful Vs anabel
Also uhhh
stone scarab
literal dedicated counter right there
chilly dawn
I pushed her to 150 and nicked a grid from here for her, she still had nowhere near the damage
fading walrus
As the first person in this discord that cooked an NC leaf clear on Anabel...
She's not bad either
chilly dawn
she's not terrible but the random debuffs bites
fading walrus
I pushed her to 150 and nicked a grid from here for her, she still had nowhere n...
Mine is 1/5 and in rally can still do it
chilly dawn
as opposed to having something to cut hard into the defensive buffs
fading walrus
In the effective ub she can't but her debuffs and rebuffs means she just needs a secondary to win
Like og kris
chilly dawn
tried those, lost on not being able to keep the cycles up bc too much gauge use and not enough gauge gen
chilly dawn
that was og kris and may
fading walrus
NC Serena gauge heavy?
chilly dawn
no, but 3/2/2 with bugger-all gauge support doesn't work
fading walrus
Serena maxes team speed...?
chilly dawn
Eventually
fading walrus
And may has like, racing rain 2/4?
chilly dawn
it's not enough to carry the team apparently
I tried them in a few bids for the original UB and they just did not work
fading walrus
Plus, NC Serena alone is always positive on gauge unless you're speed negative because her animation takes eons
fading walrus
I tried them in a few bids for the original UB and they just did not work
Well no shit, no supports
chilly dawn
iirc the may one managed to kill entei but the sides took about 5 damage and wiped in three hits
fading walrus
Anabel without supports is extremely harsh
chilly dawn
Well no shit, no supports
what do you think SS Kris was doing, wall decoration?
fading walrus
that was og kris and may
"og kris"
chilly dawn
it was SS Kris/NC Serena/Other
fading walrus
chilly dawn
I rotated through both OG Kris, May, NC Calem and a few other options in the "other" slot
nothing worked really
fading walrus
Sskris 1/5 cerena og kris can do it
I did it myself
It's not terribly RNG either
stone scarab
i did it with Cerena Kris NC Calem on my first win
fading walrus
Just needs minor staggering luck
fading walrus
i did it with Cerena Kris NC Calem on my first win
Sskris?
stone scarab
ye
fading walrus
And was cerena 3/5?
stone scarab
yes
fading walrus
Because yeah...
chilly dawn
I've never seen staggering proc
fading walrus
Between 1/5 and 3/5
chilly dawn
at all
fading walrus
There's an abyss
stone scarab
SS Kris/NC Serena at 3/5 can carry basically any third through that fight
fading walrus
Ye
stone scarab
1/5 Serena needs like, a competent second DPS but her 3/5 is basically completely fine
fading walrus
With any rain setter + good support
fading walrus
1/5 Serena needs like, a competent second DPS but her 3/5 is basically completel...
Yeah 3/5 plays Anabel like a fiddle
Her nuke two shots her
Lol
chilly dawn
Mine barely hits threshold lmao
fading walrus
Meanwhile at 1)5 she does 1/4-1/5th
chilly dawn
or on the occasions where you do kill middle, the sides gut you before you can kill them
anabel's sides are genuinely worse to handle than some of the middle units in other UBs
fading walrus
Mostly arcanine
You can even denial ninetales easily
Fuck arcanine and dauntless
stone scarab
yeah arcanine is annoying
I usually struggle more with Ninetales though bc i basically full focus the Entei whenever i fight the stage
and then giga impact kinda hurts
chilly dawn
yeah that's what gets me. If I don't kill entei before second sync, that's an autowipe
if I do kill entei in time, the sides are buffed to shit and are going to twoshot everyone
genuinely debating trying NC Serena/NC Leaf/SS Kris
leaf will probably never click flare blitz
stone scarab
You could queue it right after Anabel's first sync and then use rain dance immediately after
And then Leaf can use flare blitz fine
stone scarab
Because it is capable of learning them and the game doesn't care about the main series stat spreads for designing mons
true lagoon
evidently cuz they gave arcanine hyper beam
chilly dawn
because arcanine is a gen 1 fire type and Fire was Special in gen 1
...that is a more logical explanation than the truth, I feel
jade marsh
It can be and i intend to do it, i just have LG to deal with
shrewd marten
I did 3/5 geeta ncleaf ssmorty with zero speed debuff
Literally the only gimmick you need to worry about is poison
I forgor to reply to the part where caster was saying Lucy is eezzzz
lyric grove
Palmer is really restrictive because he's a ticking time bomb
so damage has to be fast and big at the same time
left crow
I DID IT
boreal abyss
Palmer is really restrictive because he's a ticking time bomb
Probably one of my fav UBs because of that, I find it original
Really pushes us to go with aggressive teams
left crow
Can anyone survive his max move
warm haven
SS Mina can make the team survive it
left crow
Via b protect?
lyric grove
Probably one of my fav UBs because of that, I find it original
Yeah I'll admit I've never really seen anything like that in my time I've played the game.
I hate restrictions in general but at least this one is really obvious what direction to take
warm haven
Via b protect?
that helps too but mainly because fairy zone to override normal zone + crit shield
warm haven
Crit shield won't do shit
crit shield is not a passive so PB doesnt bypass it
dim lance
1st comp to clean all UBs without MFs
left crow
Oooh
dim lance
And fourth comp overall
boreal abyss
Yeah I'll admit I've never really seen anything like that in my time I've played...
I agree with you, very straightforward to understand
boreal abyss
https://youtu.be/tF74WCTt7lk?si=kPHuSXtpM77WQxPi
Hats off, crazy stuff
That's another thing to put in the watchlist rn while preparing lunch haha
lyric grove
But palmer has PB right
That only bypasses abilities
chilly dawn
Well I think it also bypasses endure but yeah
stone scarab
Yeah, it bypasses a lot of effects but crit shield is not one
lyric grove
Oh yeah
jade grotto
left crow
Yey
At this point my only undone UB is Thorton
Can the frogs possibly clear thorton if ever?
rotund oasis
there's this one @left crow
rotund oasis
you can check the spreadsheet then.
left crow
I checked yeah but none of these i can replicate
Welll i can replicate anything with ssteven but mine is 1/5
From what i see, thorton needs weather override and status change (ie rebuff)
rotund oasis
Dont think you need Weather Override, just drop his defenses and mixed nuker.
rotund oasis
you could always try.
If you do get it, record it for the spreadsheet.
left crow
Oh yeah i have like 2 original runs lol
One for darach and one for argenta
Thing is i don't know where to upload them if ever
rotund oasis
if you have a google account (or you're on an android device), you will have a Google account which can allow you to upload vids on Youtube using that Google account.
left crow
I'll try but I'm kinda bad at recording so preemptive apologies
left crow
3/5
left crow
Wtf thorton is physical I've been bamboozled
left crow
Ah i see, gonna take a while for me then
I saw people clear it using ground units like vgio, cynthia, bertha etc. i think it's just a matter of patience
fading walrus
Lucy is also easy to offtype
valid raft
So, the scoring in the matchup charts has changed huh?
@final yacht Who made the change?
valid raft
What's the reason for the change?
final yacht
fast pendant
gentle mural
<:minastare:1189829350351196201>
Time for Brendan to shine 
shrewd marten
Which abuser of sun caused this change
fading walrus
Just deal 100k damage per turn 4Head
shrewd marten
fast pendant
none, the only clears with fire type are with nc leaf
who have b fire blitz followed by rain dance to prevent anabel to be in sun
you cannot abuse sun vs anabel
spice swift
Why do most the UB clears require Luke
valid raft
Who now?
fast pendant
they don't require
spice swift
Darach shows Iona/NCR/Iri
Idk if NCB works if 3.5
Similarly for Articuno I see two of the three for quite a few team
But not exactly the three
fast pendant
that's becaus it's pratically the same thing
changing supp doesn't mean all the others don't work
shrewd marten
Then why give it .5 points
Bruh moment
I mean I know basically no one looks at the score thing but still
onyx cedar
the only way C Leaf abuses sun is to sync after Entei and then other queue the weather change afterwards
or the B Flare Blitz after Entei sync too
shrewd marten
Yeah so the metric sucks
final yacht
feel free to dm rafa about it
true lagoon
or the B Flare Blitz after Entei sync too
so its like ss mina soft countering argenta’s rain
true lagoon
oh so its rather abusing it yourself then removing it?
fast pendant
it's not abusing it, leaf just brings sun up with first b fb regardless
and you immediatly change
true lagoon
well thats a weird metric then
fast pendant
you just time so you b fb while sun is already up so you don't need to change to rain twice
low coral
oh so its rather abusing it yourself then removing it?
B Flare Blitz setting sun is only a downside there
If you could, you would just remove that effect for the battle, it's not about abusing it
kind wasp
<:minastare:1189829350351196201>
Try and abuse sun, she’ll abuse u
warm haven
well nc leaf can abuse anabele's sun syncing right after her
But that's the only unit that can abuse it
fast pendant
you would need to delay your sync for 2 turns or just be very behind in it
which I'm sure would catch up to you later in the fight
amber zodiac
So apparently, one thing to make Lucy was easier is to have a poison immunity team?
I'm hearing around that it's the biggest threat from her battle and that she's the easiest yet otherwise.
fast pendant
Yep
amber zodiac
What would you recommend?
chilly dawn
antitoxin is a lucky skill
this one trick singlehandedly makes Lucy's fight infinitely less problematic
amber zodiac
About Darach, I can usually take out the sides with ease, but then he himself becomes the bigger issue.
Especially with that healing.
fast pendant
what team are you using
amber zodiac
Damage dealers are NC Silver and Sygna Diantha.
Both EX, Diantha is 3/5.
Tried 3/5 NC Blue as a support this time.
fast pendant
are you running out of zone?
amber zodiac
It can be a problem because it doesn't always refill.
But it seems that the issue with this team is that Darach becomes more annoying when he's alone. Unless it happens to be unrelated.
fast pendant
more so after he syncs
but if you run out of wtz his defenses wll be trippled
so if you're running out, you would better have a unit that can comfotarbly have it up all the time
amber zodiac
What's that?
fast pendant
wtz? weather, terrain or zone
amber zodiac
Oh, mhm...
Maybe I could wait until Silver's standstorm disappear before using zone for the first time.
fast pendant
does your silver have ex role?
amber zodiac
Not yet.
fast pendant
any other supps you usually use?
amber zodiac
He's sprint, so he wouldn't recreate the sandstorm.
Mmm...
Any weather? Because there's Sygna Kris at 3/5 with rain.
fast pendant
nc calem perhaps
amber zodiac
Yeah, 3/5 too.
amber zodiac
I was hesitant to use 5* candies, but then I saw how little Master Fair supports there were and went "screw it, I have enough for all I have"
fast pendant
does your calem have head start?
amber zodiac
If it's a lucky skill, most likely not.
But between how less annoying it is to unlock and the fact that you can now save several per unit and switch them, I no longer have reasons to be wary about them.
It's definitely something I'm gonna have to consider more, at least with units I use a lot.
fast pendant
do you have sst red?
amber zodiac
From 3rd anni? Yes, but 1/5 and no other upgrades.
I have upgraded a bunch of Tech Master fairs to 3/5 with candies, but it was a little costly and I'm hesitant to do more.
fast pendant
which ones
fast pendant
got SS Morty?
amber zodiac
Yeah, but if I bring a weather setter, it might have to wait until Silver's standstorm is done.
So maybe Calem with Dark zone might be a better choice.
Sandstorm does a lot of damage.
fast pendant
you don't need to set sun early on, wait till sand is running out
which should be enough to kill the sides
silver spruce
Bertha may be able to tank long enough for silver and diantha to kill darach
fading walrus
I think that unless you're aiming for a speedrun kill
It's better to run a sand setter alongside silver over rock zone
Ofc unless you can fit both
final yacht
at this rate i might just close submissions temporarily lol
stable tundra
I will help with that once i finish adding LG14 teams into repository and update porybot 
spiral summit
valid raft
Over 100 runs on Lucy LMFAO
frozen meteor
valid raft
I wonder if I can do another pre-sync clear, prolly not
valid raft
Skinny is the UB CC
shrewd marten
I’m sorry what does that mean
valid raft
UB content creator
chilly dawn
ngl I tried argenta with mixred/adaman/ss acerola and it couldn't do crap
might need to shift red out
low coral
You can even pre-sync Argenta with that team
I'm not sure how you can ever fail outside of just not using Razor Leaf with Adaman on each bar
And even with that, I think you could legit brute force Argenta's second half without it
shrewd marten
I did that team first try with Erika
Brain afk
Wasn’t presync since sserika isn’t as good as mix red obviously but still
hoary fern
For reference
Lucky skills used: Vigilance on New Year's Lisia and Sygna Suit Aura Cynthia, Crit Strike 2 on Fall Roxanne, both cakeable units are caked
New Year's Lisia's mainly there for AoE poison immunity, and oops, her dps is higher, but it's not AoE
lunar sedge
ngl I tried argenta with mixred/adaman/ss acerola and it couldn't do crap
Isn't this team like the argenta hard counter
tbh either Adaman or Bulu alone are already hard counter
wary hemlock
tbf as long as the team is equipped with antitoxin, almost any team could clear
drowsy mulch
Hello, wich support you guys recommend here to beat Lucy?
Or is it Impossible with this team
warm haven
that's like the best duo against lucy 
Melony i think its your best option, psyduck is great too
drowsy mulch
Melony i think its your best option, psyduck is great too
Thank you, ill try with Melony
Courtney needs antitoxin?
warm haven
Nope, safeguards protects her from the poison.
drowsy mulch
Nice, thank you again
drowsy mulch
Nope, safeguards protects her from the poison.
I dont know why, but she always kills Melony easy
warm haven
are you debuffing her speed asap? she hits harder if her speed is raised
drowsy mulch
Yes, but I don't think it's enough, I don't know
warm haven
Well if you have cookies you can give antitoxin to blue and courtney and that battle will be easy
Or you can use SS Morty with friend mend and natural remedy
drowsy mulch
Well if you have cookies you can give antitoxin to blue and courtney and that ba...
NC blue or Bluestoise?
warm haven
Bluestoise 
drowsy mulch
Ok ill try, thank you
drowsy mulch
Bluestoise <:SidneyYippee:992636893810409472>
Did It yayy
warm haven
congrats!
leaden dagger
Does anyone remember how the striaton challenge stage works?
Nevermind crisis averted
true lagoon
Does anyone remember how the striaton challenge stage works?
wise entry x2 and accuracy debuffs i think
leaden dagger
true lagoon
its for sc 2022
leaden dagger
Well funny how I had ssgladion for this and took a while
leaden dagger
Accelgor
peak mist
Any bets on his weakness while we wait for info?
peak mist
It’s a shame they already used rock weak 
spice basin
Electric is the only charizard weakness left yeah? That hasn't had an UB yet
peak mist
Good thing I have 3/5r sst then if so
peak mist
its going to be built around Ash. >_>
If it’s around ash then everyone’s screwed except 3anni players. So I doubt it
Even if he would prob answer it if it’s special it’s either like sshau or one of the other special electrics or a future one (we’ve seen them focus on a future unit before)
lunar sedge
Water and rock are take so really I could only think of electric
slate bison
but there is always Red stonks, unless they come up with some serious gimmicks to neuter him 
valid raft
Imagine having Ash 
slate bison
peak mist
It’s been long enough since his arrival for dena to just pretend ash doesn’t exist with balancing imo
rotund oasis
Imagine having Ash <:AshGoodGrief:994484066399305838>
like 3x Sentry Entry? .-.
valid raft
warm haven
like 3x Sentry Entry? .-.
red also debuffs sp.def and paralyses
and if you can't do that in the electric weak UB ash is doomed too
shrewd marten
red also debuffs sp.def and paralyses <:TabithaHehe:998042781375275158>
sstr would not actually be that useful if he was literally a stat debuffer only
he could get carried by ash if he isnt neutered but lets be real the ub will be designed around both the rats, or at least theyre both usable
100%
peak mist
If it’s around ash then I’m bringing ss hilbert to cheese the ash side 100%
And I’d also call bullshit in that case cause it really seems bad idea to theme a permanent content after a character we will never be offered again
I do expect a 1m+ stat line tho bc of rats
My first attempt will probably be ncblue, sstred, whatever third to try to answer whatever gimmick he has
craggy wind
Electric Leon, easy
Probably comes with rebuff gimmick to favor NC Blue
Maybe he shakes off paralysis every move like Argenta
And sides bring an irrelevant terrain
low coral
Idt it'll be rebuff gimmick
We already got multiple UBs with that
It may be anti-Fire weak, since I assume Leon will apply Fire damage field
warm haven
I think it could be debuff related, like his battle tower alt
like him having debuffs passives and increasing his damage if any of your stat is lowered
fast pendant
Themes: Use Electric Terrain! Attack while inflicting status conditions!
Rule 1: The first time Charizard’s HP reaches 60% or lower, it endures with that HP.
Rule 2: When the opponent is not affected by a field effect, its Defense and Sp. Def are tripled.
Rule 3: When the opponent is not affected by a status condition, its attacks are powered up.
stable tundra
SST Red oriented stage lol
warm haven
so it's tailormade for red after all
rotund oasis
Themes: Use Electric Terrain! Attack while inflicting status conditions!
Rule 1:...
does he get healed though?
low coral
crude marten
Themes: Use Electric Terrain! Attack while inflicting status conditions!
Rule 1:...
so a bit mixed of darach and thorton
rotund oasis
Fire Damaage Zone on your side.
Get Burned
Get Sleep'd
rotund oasis
ewwww
warm haven
Red Tax
fast pendant
that's avarage to low
low coral
rotund oasis
okay so he does clear WTZ hmm
spice basin
Oh damn they really did make one for the rats
warm haven
yeah but for a battle that needs 100% WTZ time active it's gonna be rough
rotund oasis
what was Fainting Cleanse, was thaat Lillie's base passsive?
spice basin
How much HP does Darach have?
fast pendant
if you account for healing darach has much more
low coral
Sides got Friend Mend 9, so watch out for that
valid raft
Imagine if SST Red solos the fight 
spice basin
Ah
low coral
Imagine if SST Red solos the fight <:GladionSip:1208936502399344650>
Only thing stopping this I believe is Leon's high BP moves
Otherwise, it sounds reasonable as long as he's not one shot due to his heals
rotund oasis
Definitely needs ye old Zapdos for this battle.
warm haven
uuh he also has sure crit
valid raft
So like Lucy then
warm haven
yeah but lucy had 0 atk
fast pendant
I'm more curious when does Leon use his max move
rotund oasis
uh why does Leon say he can make you sleep?
crude marten
sides have 300k hp 
low coral
I don't see freeze, sleep, and flinch immunity, but idt that's a good sign
Since I don't see Resilience either
crude marten
they dont clear rebuff though
low coral
So Leon's most likely immune again and immunity is just the standard now
fast pendant
Lapras puts you asleep if they hit
final yacht
Oh it literally just got added ok
warm haven
butterfree also has that sleep passive
rotund oasis
Hmmm.
rotund oasis
I think i'm going with SS Lyra, Zapdos and SST Red .-.
iff they dont have flinch resistance, might as well.
rotund oasis
yep.
warm haven
i think this UB will be as strong as thorton
final yacht
It's definitely worse than Thorton lol
crude marten
its a mix between darach and thorton yeah
warm haven
well it doesnt have to be ET specificaly
low coral
iff they dont have flinch resistance, might as well.
They're prob immune
Well, Eterrain had the advantage of compressing Sleep immunity AoE
warm haven
but ET also makes you inmune to sleep so its the best option
final yacht
Ig you can go full wide awake LS
warm haven
yeah
rotund oasis
They're prob immune
guess we'll wait.
low coral
I think that happened before
warm haven
Ig you can go full wide awake LS
then you explode due to sure crit sync/aoe
crude marten
yeah its likely immune
low coral
Since they just consider sleep/freeze/flinch immunity default now
warm haven
i think this is the UB that stops Red + Irida + SSAC
but they can beat it with zapdos
low coral
Huh, really?
I think you just tank with Irida, no?
It's not like surviving a Fire UB is a new thing for them
stable tundra
How do you counter sleep with them? 
low coral
Irida can grid immunity
warm haven
I was thinking about Robust Physique but i just remembered that red has piercing blows on his bmove
stable tundra
But there are aoe moves
low coral
Red and Cyn prob just LS it
low coral
I was thinking about Robust Physique but i just remembered that red has piercing...
And Cynthia paralyzes
warm haven
aah true, nvm then
chilly dawn
did you get to half bar?
Just about, the sides died but sun ran out and Acerola died to second sync, after which it was just oneshots bc perma rain.
low coral
Gladion / Mina / Wally, no
low coral
It's wild how SS Hau can't paralyze either
warm haven
SS Hau is basically a fairy pair
rotund oasis
burn is easy enough with NC Blue's BMove
(then again, NC Blue gets burned easily)
the bigger problem is the sides, so Charged Immunity should stop the burn + sleep
Ash and NC Blue gets Wide Awake.
rotund oasis
it does? hum
low coral
Wonder if this can be done via duo eggmon
rotund oasis
considering their base stats, eggmons will likely die.
warm haven
i was wondering the same
rotund oasis
eggmon's would want like 400% stats just to compete tbh.
low coral
considering their base stats, eggmons will likely die.
The point is more so getting sync countdown and defensive buffs for Red
Well, both Ice comps and the Electric one look safe
"Electric" since it's only partially
Poison should keep up as well
Since both Oleana and Roxie got status, as well as the Geeta variant doing it every time
crude marten
geeta can also remove damage field if thats even relevant
low coral
Oh yeah, that's true, she's a pretty good counter here all around
rotund oasis
he only does Fire damage zone once but. hmm
low coral
Damage Field still do quite a lot of damage
rotund oasis
he only does it before he syncs a 2nd one right?
low coral
It's pretty annoying when you let Thorton set it up
Luckily, Leon doesn't max his targets
So the Max Move damage itself will only affect mid
rotund oasis
So NC Blue is taking all of that
calm sand
yea
low coral
I'm more curious when does Leon use his max move
I think it's Charizard's second move
Palmer had Max Strike as Move 4, the same slot as his Giga Impact
And that happened right after sync, before Giga Impact
Leon has it as Move 2
So Fire Damage Field is pretty much undeniable without Geeta
final yacht
where's our court change cinderace
hearty cedar
Can leon get burned?
final yacht
yes
TIL friend mend works if the target is all allies, not just 1
since lapras and butterfree have it
hearty cedar
I'll take my chances with he4 providing 50% chance for burn
low coral
leon's infos have been added
Resistance 8 to stuns?
final yacht
anabel wasn't specified to be lessen sleep/flinch/freeze 8 either
lunar sedge
does leon need strictly ET? 
final yacht
no but it's the easiest
valid raft
What if EXR SS Morty 
low coral
anabel wasn't specified to be lessen sleep/flinch/freeze 8 either
Yeah, but I think it's close to impossible for that to happen on top of no Resilience, as well as Anabel happening before immunity was the standard
stable storm
I heard we know what ub leon does
stable storm
I heard we know what ub leon does
can anyone send the link?
valid raft
Darach, except in exchange for gradual regen, Leon has Robust Physique
true lagoon
isnt leon UB just darach stage but redone
stable storm
same hp?
low coral
Uh
lunar sedge
oh wait does Leon have thorton gimmick? the special first half and physical second half?
final yacht
darach but way harder lol
true lagoon
darach but way harder lol
cheers
valid raft
oh wait does Leon have thorton gimmick? the special first half and physical seco...
Darach
stable storm
does he have higher stats?
low coral
Leon is as much Darach as Argenta is Thorton, so I wouldn't say so
true lagoon
got sst and ss hau so lets see how badly it’ll go
stable storm
darach but way harder lol
rats make him easier ngl
final yacht
argenta and thorton aren't similar at all tho???
final yacht
they share no gimmick 
stable storm
they share rebuff gimmick
low coral
? They do share the status change requirement
final yacht
...thorton requires a status change?
low coral
Like how Leon and Darach only really share the field effect one
true lagoon
...thorton requires a status change?
yes
final yacht
oh yeah i forgor
chilly dawn
So Leon needs what, field and status?
stable storm
yes
true lagoon
tripled defenses otherwise
valid raft
Argenta hits harder under rain while Thorton hits harder with defense buffs
stable storm
do we know his stats?
final yacht
Like how Leon and Darach only really share the field effect one
well it's more that
darach only has the field effect stuff
while leon has other things on top of it
valid raft
do we know his stats?
It's in the docs
valid raft
darach only has the field effect stuff
Doesn't he also have gradual regen?
true lagoon
does he use gmax wildfire
true lagoon
Doesn't he also have gradual regen?
yes
final yacht
grad heal isn't that important imo
river prawn
does he use gmax wildfire
Yes
true lagoon
and thats what makes him very frustrating without a 5/5 ss diantha
final yacht
it's a little annoyance nothing more
true lagoon
grad heal isn't that important imo
haa
valid raft
I wonder if fairy comp can do this ub
Mina has mitigations and the AoEs are mostly special so maybe
stable storm
...why do I always forget where the docs are
valid raft
SSA Cynthia can do Anabel, but not as first target
final yacht
as always
low coral
I wonder if fairy comp can do this ub
Not the standard one
Swaping Wally for someone should do the job
spice basin
They're lacking status 
valid raft
I'm guessing Volo
low coral
I think they could even survive the damage boost
Since the special mitigation for Fairy is almost Ice level
But the no crit will be really annoying
Especially for such bulky sides too
Possibly grindable, but would have to test
valid raft
Hmmm, I guess pray for Volo to use Inferno on Leon?
low coral
Mina / Gladion is a solid core all around, no need for the third to be also Fairy
spice basin
This UB is going to break the streak for a couple of comps that have cleared everything so far 
true lagoon
wait does leon have robust physique
low coral
Yeah, prob Ice/Electric/Poison will keep them while the others will drop
low coral
wait does leon have robust physique
Yes
valid raft
The only fairy units who can status are Perena and Volo's B Move if it's Inferno
final yacht
they looked at tornadus and said "what if we made it worse"
river prawn
Poison comp stays safe
final yacht
ok, 102 submissions to add, let's do this 
low coral
Ice I think is the safest for now
For upcoming ones
At least I don't see a particularly uncoverable gimmick?
Unless they actually go the way of no WTZ being the counter
Possibly Flying-weak
final yacht
WTZ: def & spd x10
stable storm
what would be the third with ss glad and mina
stable storm
WTZ: def & spd x10
ice,fairy, electric, poison guard 5
final yacht
Unironically? Pal Serena if you absolutely want a fairy
stable storm
could sst red unironically work as the third in that comp?
low coral
I mean, SST Red would work as third for any comp here lol
It's literally a stage made for him
final yacht
any comp? Alright
Strike Porygon Strike Snorlax
low coral
bet
warm haven
At least I don't see a particularly uncoverable gimmick?
what gimmick blue + red + silver dont cover?
final yacht
robust physic with lithe
low coral
Not any particular, I just find it a less powerful comp overall than the Ice one, so more vulnerable to a stat check of some kind
warm haven
robust physic with lithe <:TabithaHehe:998042781375275158>
red still has piercing blows dps tho
low coral
Ice also has the advantage of having both hyper offensive and hyper defensive support options
final yacht
red still has piercing blows dps tho
red relies on his sync a lot
you're not beating an UB with just volt tackle dps
warm haven
yeye
low coral
As both Cynthia and Chase are keeping up and should still for Leon
warm haven
Not any particular, I just find it a less powerful comp overall than the Ice one...
idk, blue can tank anything with ET
final yacht
i forgot how time consuming and exhausting updating the doc is
i added 5 runs i already want to stop lmfao
low coral
idk, blue can tank anything with ET
It's not like Ice is any frail lol
Even is better vs early bursts in comparison
warm haven
I feel like the only way to stop that team is removing constantly ET and/or rebuff
low coral
While the damage is way, way higher
warm haven
Silver sync accel straight up replicates cynthia's sync accel while providing a bigger physical boost
so i don see what they could miss that the ice team dont have, except for a slightly different support
low coral
While the damage is way, way higher
.
There's not a world where Tbolt Red + NC Silver can replicate NC Red + Irida damage
warm haven
I havent done the calcs but in any case, what stages does that make a difference?
like both clear palmer
low coral
None, but that's not what I said at all
I said it that I find it less vulnerable
Not that it already can't do something
warm haven
right, but idt it's still way more damage, they seem to me very close if they can end stages almost as fast
low coral
But it's not almost as fast
Ice has multiple turns left for Palmer
Red / Silver is down to the very last move
boreal abyss
Gonna duo it when it’s out for once
Sounds a very engaging stage
No idea if I will have in time the resources to ex role koko despite not being that much excited for striker for some reason
warm haven
Ice has multiple turns left for Palmer
in your video the clear ends with palmer preparing his max move
low coral
Could be optimized further, damage was also into a way more comfortable range, since the Ice Beam was much more overkill, on top of the Chase variant still not even having Sync ready
As well as Palmer in particular being a stage that doesn't promote Cynthia's B Move, as it's heavy on TM usage
warm haven
Well red was nerfed too, they have speed buffs and way more defense buffs. And that's more than the 4 SMUN from cynthia
low coral
Ig, but stat buffs sound way more standard than not attacking to me
silver spruce
Sounds like classic elesa stocks are rising
low coral
For Leon?
boreal abyss
Seems so
true lagoon
Sounds like classic elesa stocks are rising
yeah stonks rising until you remember she has no damage until shes 5/5
lavish marsh
When Leon reaches 40% health, does it remove any rebuff too?
lavish marsh
Yeah but with the rats, I'd like to keep the -2 rebuff for its entirety
boreal abyss
I thin nc blue ss hau should duo it with much ease
crude marten
Yeah but with the rats, I'd like to keep the -2 rebuff for its entirety
he doesnt remove rebuff
boreal abyss
I’ll try and see if I can ex role hau in time to make it easier
He is 5/5 70 energies already, just missing the cake 😋
true lagoon
its only field and status
true lagoon
Do they hate sun or something
i mean presumably they will use fire moves
true lagoon
i mean you can try but i doubt it's gonna be fun
shrewd marten
I mean
The weather is fine
It’s just that Dena made it widespread so they also punish it
true lagoon
sun sucks in lg too lol
me when like 7 las have fire moves
and moltres is literally the sun arena
valid raft
it's really not a good weather in this game
Then why do- I don't wanna say a lot, but plenty of them with sun extension?
valid raft
Technically 5 with SS Morty's EXR
valid raft
Well, I meant sun extension in general
shrewd marten
Cuz you can then add Wallace to the list
valid raft
You can technically
shrewd marten
It’s a cringe exception
low coral
Leon is less punishing for sun than Argenta for rain I believe
shrewd marten
Because no other ub is that much of a fuck you to a gimmick
Like ffs argenta can let hers run out for free
If you use ssmina
That’s how insane they turbobuffed anabel
true lagoon
isnt argenta raging rain 5
valid raft
She has Shower Power 9
true lagoon
oh
well thats a huge difference
if she had raging rain like anabel has charging sun then it would be a whole different story
but only sync multiplier is like whatever
valid raft
Anabel doesn't have Sunscreen, but Argenta has Rain Gear 5
true lagoon
Anabel doesn't have Sunscreen, but Argenta has Rain Gear 5
yeah cuz she has fluid fort which is worse
valid raft
if she had raging rain like anabel has charging sun then it would be a whole dif...
Argenta also has Raging Rain IIRC
low coral
The deal is that you can afford to remove rain from Argenta with Rain Dance
Removing sun from Anabel with Sunny Day is suicidal
valid raft
Mainly because Argenta has no AoE moves
If Argenta had AoE moves, then it would've been a different story
low coral
No
true lagoon
well sides on anabel also use primarily fire
low coral
Anabel gets what, 50k back for moving in the sun?
true lagoon
Or was it 100k?
it should be 1/8th
true lagoon
gradual healing is how much again
it could be 6.25% then yeah
anabel has like 900k hp right
valid raft
924k
So she regains 57750 HP
Also @final yacht , why is Anabel's defensive debuff mitigations listed as 5 instead of 3?
low coral
Yeah, just that pretty much makes you do net 0 damage on her under sun, often net negative
final yacht
Also <@293075173136007169> , why is Anabel's defensive debuff mitigations listed...
she has def mitigs of 3?
didnt know
is it the same for sides
valid raft
Don't remember
final yacht
yeah it is
valid raft
Hmmmm, ok
Also, Leon has Sudden Sprint 3 like Lucy, clearly meant to encourage using SST Red because he has Shocking Slowdown 9
And Leon raises his allies' attack and special attack after he syncs, meant to encourage using NC Blue with Satisfied Snicker and Overwhelm as counters to it
Now, what else?
marble flume
All I know is C. Elesa time
lavish marsh
I just get to reenact the Masters 8. That's it lol
final yacht
Also, Leon has Sudden Sprint 3 like Lucy, clearly meant to encourage using SST R...
where do you see sudden sprint
oh that's what i put on the doc lol, nah it's a mistake
valid raft
Hmmm ok
rotund oasis
I just get to reenact the Masters 8. That's it lol
tbh, i'm going full nuke mode Ash while SST Red just drops E-Terrain.
lavish marsh
I'm saving the B Thunderbolt. Not because it helps to end the fight quick. But because it's stupid thematic lol
oak pine
Is there any ultimates I can beat with my current roster? Assume I can 20/20 or EX anyone shown and level to 140
I've gotten REALLY close to Lucy, but I can't clean up the sides in time even if Seviper goes down since no AoE sync on the team used (SC Lyra, Courtney, SC Steven)
stable tundra
You can check the pins for confirmed clears (and the clears at waiting tab too) to see if you can replicate any
shrewd marten
Any generically strong team with anti toxin wins
eternal yacht
Does Leon's UB really not have reslilience?
Cause if he's not immune to sleep or flinch, he could be cheesed by SS Lyra and SS Cyrus
spice basin
I don't see Resilience, Wide Awake, Unflappable or Anti Freeze in the passive list
rotund oasis
Its probably like argenta tbh cannot be flinched or something
We'll have to test when it goes online.
spice swift
What's Leon weak to
rotund oasis
Electric
spice swift
Oh cool, so I presume NC Blue will be useful
warm haven
prob that's the new standard for UBs, they dont have resilience but they have flinch/freeze/sleep inmunity
final yacht
Does Leon's UB really not have reslilience?
now people will stop asking
(probably immune/immune/8/immune)
spice basin
now people will stop asking <:SeleneLul:611382187711004672>
Suspicious
final yacht
nah it's like palmer and lucy and anabel and... all of them really
it's not in the pastebin
final yacht
trap too is unknown* but it's prob 9
slate bison
wdym trap is unknown?
final yacht
oh yeah i forgor
valid raft
Oh cool, so I presume NC Blue will be useful
Leon gives his team +3 offensive stats every time he syncs, so I think NC Blue is a must
rich heron
Recovers status condition after 60% hp
lavish marsh
I think that can be easily afflicted multiple times. Not just NC Blue but also Ash
rich heron
Yes
thin canyon
for the ss roxie oleana ss mina anabel clear team is 4/5 required on ss roxie or would 3/5 be okay?
sour elk
Leon's UB looks like Darach + Lucy, gimmick seems to be keeping up a field and slapping everybody with wide awake
shrewd marten
Why wide awake
sour elk
Sides spam aoe sleep
final yacht
sides sleep you on every move
final yacht
"move on opp: sleep"
shrewd marten
How did yall forgor
final yacht
only e terrain yes
shrewd marten
"move on opp: sleep"
I seeeeee
eternal yacht
I don't see Resilience, Wide Awake, Unflappable or Anti Freeze in the passive li...
Did Argenta had the unflappable and wide awake passives before she was released?
sour elk
Leon also needs to be statused, but I guess he can easily be para'd
shrewd marten
Literally just volkner
shrewd marten
Tho ud probably need more uptime
eternal yacht
Leon was designed for SST Red
shrewd marten
Ye
eternal yacht
He even has Charged Immunity to counter sleep
spice basin
Did Argenta had the unflappable and wide awake passives before she was released?
Mael said they weren't in the pastebin, so it's highly likely that's the case here too
loud adder
for the ss roxie oleana ss mina anabel clear team is 4/5 required on ss roxie or...
Venomous Sync All and the speed buffs seem very important for the clear. Give it a shot and see how things go first before you candy her though.
shrewd marten
Charged immunity isn’t necessary
eternal yacht
Mael said they weren't in the pastebin, so it's highly likely that's the case he...
So we didn't knew she had the passive until we fought her?
Or it's different
spice basin
I believe so
final yacht
yeah we didn't know
eternal yacht
Cause I want to know if we just get Argenta 2.0
low coral
He even has Charged Immunity to counter sleep
Do you mean burn?
eternal yacht
yeah we didn't know
If so then it's probably immune to flinch/sleep
final yacht
yes
low coral
Electric Terrain already breaks sleep
shrewd marten
Do you mean burn?
I mean if red is getting hit by inferno
There’s a problem
A biiiig problem
eternal yacht
Electric Terrain already breaks sleep
Right
final yacht
heat wave burn
eternal yacht
I always forget that lol
final yacht
final yacht
it always happens
sour elk
Given Leon's low HP and high offensive stats, it might be a DPS race similar to Palmer
shrewd marten
It does
sour elk
Dude has a max move too
final yacht
ask lg players how many times they got burned by tornadus
shrewd marten
But id reset instead of that
sour elk
Leon's UB has some aspects of every other UB
eternal yacht
I'm not sure if pre-sync is required because of the 60% endure messing with that
It might be like Anabel or Thorton
valid raft
IIRC, Anabel can be pre-synced
shrewd marten
Cerena has done it ye
eternal yacht
IIRC, Anabel can be pre-synced
She can? Interesting
sour elk
He doesn't have sure crit so his sync + max won't hurt as much as Palmer, but he has 71% offensive stat over palmer
low coral
Anabel has above normal offenses
sour elk
Although he does apply sure crit
valid raft
She can? Interesting
And Thorton is done already
low coral
Leon should have higher offenses than Normal, but not gatekeep sync like Palmer
Leon's Max Move is not nearly as powerful
low coral
Yeah, Palmer's Max is under Zone, +4 Sync Buffs, likely with Attack buffs, and with targets maxed
sour elk
Oh right, I was missing the extra sync buffs from Palmer
warm haven
Yeah presync Leon is more of a flex instead of a requirement
low coral
Leon's on move 2, without sun, and targets minimized
warm haven
But theres a lot of good electric units, he will have a lot of pf clears
if not a FTP clear
low coral
I doubt F2P
valid raft
Yes, it's 1/16 of your max HP
low coral
Who are the free Electrics?
valid raft
Hau, Elesa, Volkner
low coral
Elesa
eternal yacht
if not a FTP clear
I don't think FTP is possible
low coral
But Elesa and Sophocles may suffer from recoil on UBs
sour elk
Sophocles
eternal yacht
Volkner can set terrain but like Leon's offenses are too high
warm haven
the problem would be the support imo
sour elk
I hope Leon can be flinched
eternal yacht
If it's like Argenta, then he probably can't
low coral
Also, Volkner's kinda bad as a unit
eternal yacht
He want flinch but if he can't flinch he just does nothing
sour elk
It's kinda funny that dena gave him Standfast 9, as if recoil from doing say, 400 dmg, would dent his 600K HP pool
valid raft
Oh yeah Clemont, the general pool unit I accidentally +10 energy'd 
sour elk
I kinda wanna see Leon's Charizard faint from recoil now
warm haven
Clemont should deal good damage against leon
the only problem is keeping the ET, volkner needs a lot of rng for that
shrewd marten
Also, Volkner's kinda bad as a unit
If we can flinch he will be probably very strong
If not well
Pray for eterrain refresh ig
sour elk
I wonder if he'll be more difficult than Anabel
river prawn
Definitely not
shrewd marten
Palmer jumpscare
sour elk
Ok good, I'm glad to have Anabel final boss
shrewd marten
I wonder if thorton was originally made to be harder
Palmer is harder than Annabel
sour elk
Is he really
shrewd marten
Yes
low coral
You can def argue for both sides
sour elk
I guess my roster just has a better matchup Vs Palmer
shrewd marten
I mean if you have chop or rei
low coral
Like, UBs already are hard to cheese
shrewd marten
Palmer is infinitely easier
low coral
Palmer is even more anti-cheese than the rest
Since Palmer doesn't really have a weakness
sour elk
I do have Rei, but I find it easier to clear Palmer without Rei than Anabel without Cerena for example
low coral
You either beat him fast enough or you lose
shrewd marten
I mean maybe?
low coral
There's not much you can slot between turns to change the outcome of the battle
warm haven
the thing is, you just need a really strong team
eternal yacht
You either beat him fast enough or you lose
Sometimes you can tank the sync but you never survive the max move
shrewd marten
Annabel is you need a strong weather changer
warm haven
with anabel youre more limited because of the weather and debuff condition
warm haven
There are quite a lot of them these days
how many
eternal yacht
Anni Raihan is very good for Anabel since debuffs and sandstorm
warm haven
if the weather is not for the team then you're basically 2v3 anabel
stone scarab
SS Kris, Irida, NC Silver, Anni Raihan, Dahlia are the ones off the top of my head
eternal yacht
Irida is probably the best counter to her, though Ice teams need to watch out
shrewd marten
Oh right silver
eternal yacht
Dahlia is also an amazing counter
warm haven
then you're limited to on-type with few units or the strongest duos lile blue or nc red
warm haven
palmer lets you form whatever team you like
shrewd marten
That’s generous
stone scarab
oh wait add SS Mina to that list
shrewd marten
oh wait add SS Mina to that list
Ah how could I forget lmfao
stone scarab
Palmer is just "can you do "x" damage before he can take an action post-sync"
warm haven
because rei and/or chop trivialize palmer
loud adder
Is NC Blue a necessity for the Leon UB or can I use my other supports like KriSS as well?
With SST Red, that is.
valid raft
Well, you'll have to deal with his buffs if you let him sync
+3 attack and special attack to the enemy team every time Leon syncs
low coral
With SST Red, that is.
Leon is trivial with Tbolt Red
marble flume
The potential is there for the 3rd team member to debuff the offensive stats, so I don’t think it’ll be a problem if a Support other than 3/5 NC Blue is used
valid raft
Well, you also need someone to inflict a negative status change
low coral
There's no need for Status Change, yeah
low coral
A second paralyzer may be good, but you can always Thunder Shock anyway
marble flume
Cures it once at 60% HP it looks like
low coral
Sides have Friend Mend
river prawn
Do sides have friend mend 9?
marble flume
Ah
low coral
But their TM come later
river prawn
Thought so
low coral
And this is not a battle you're gonna flinch anyway
valid raft
It's definitely possible to pre-sync Leon right?
I know Ash's Bunderbolt with enough SpMUN stacks can OHKO him from 60%
And with enough Sp. Def. debuffs
low coral
Yes, very easily
warm haven
Idt even ash is necessary to presync Leon
silver spruce
Here’s hoping SS Hau with EX R and classic elesa will counter the gimmick enough
warm haven
Ah btw Leon cures sides when fainted so if they're not dead it's necessary to paralyze them again
marble flume
I’ll be trying C. Elesa + SS Roxie, personally
valid raft
loud adder
The potential is there for the 3rd team member to debuff the offensive stats, so...
SS Roxie or NC Leaf should work, then.
valid raft
I don't think Ash even needs SpMUN at all
slate light
i'm going to be just using nc blue, ash and probably ss roxie with an overdrive grid and calling it a day
broken crag