Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

[marble flume]

The fact that my question is never answered speaks volumes, tbh

[final yacht]

It's tiring

[slow sky]

I wasted many cookies for that 300 gem UB clear

and never even said anything

[lunar sedge]

We don't even know the team that you said could do it without EX Kris

[spiral summit]

That team NEED EX Kris

And Kris is great anyway

[lunar sedge]

If it was known someone might have already tried and guided you but we don't

[slow sky]

its also always good to have alternatives even if u already have a busted water team

[inner heath]

from CS, monthly exchange, events, battle rally, trainer lodge, you have resources to ex 3-5 units/month
do you even pull 3 new units/month
after playing for 2-3 years you can just ex anyone and don't have to save resources

[slow sky]

having more than 1 water team could meant your more broken team can off-type a CSMM stage that you have issues clearing on-type

[hearty cedar]

Well i can speak from my experience that even a 100 gems could cause us a make or break situation. Like missing out on pity on such

I had 316 scout points on sstr rerun banner and he was about to leave 24hrs later. I had like 600 non-paid gems and I did 1 daily(100 paid gems) and got sstr at 317/400 scout points

So yes, 600 gems does make a huge difference

[final yacht]

I mean sure

[marble flume]

There are times where 600 gems can make the difference, but we don’t know if this is one of those times yet

[slow sky]

problem is he doesnt want to invest in EX-ing the char for the clear

if it's that important I'm pretty sure EX-ing a char for a clear is pretty acceptable

[hearty cedar]

Ye thats why I'm providing him a reason to ex

[marble flume]

Like, if they’re not going for anyone this month then 600 gems is not make-or-break here

[valid raft]

I'm pretty sure they're the extremely frugal type

[slow sky]

still, gems> 5 star PU/5 star tickets

they can just decide to not EX and not bother with the stage

[hearty cedar]

Why wouldn't they go for anyone when there are like 5 very very important and amazing banners(not including reruns)

Ex'ing is easy anyway

[stone scarab]

Lack of interest in any of the characters

[marble flume]

Because there are no must-pulls in this game and they may not care about anyone this month?

[spice basin]

We're not discussing pulling as a solution to an EBE, please y'all 😭 I understand the frustration but it's time to disengage, it's not going anywhere productive

[hearty cedar]

This game would have died if this sentiment was prevalent in the community

[slow sky]

never ever pull for EBE

[lunar sedge]

That what whales are for

[stone scarab]

The kits might be incredible but if you dont like the character you probably aren't pulling

[final yacht]

The other way around
They're talking about what would they pull if they got the gems

[hearty cedar]

We are discussing pulling in order to provide a reason to ex units so they can clear the actual ebe's and such

[final yacht]

And the answer is apparently nothing

[spice basin]

I am aware

[spice basin]

I'm referring to this specifically, there's no obligation to pull if you don't want the units - whatever the reason may be

[slow sky]

and uh, if he doesnt want to EX Kris, yet at the same time don't want to give up on the 600 gems, idk who else can provide an advise on how to go about it

[spiral summit]

Yeah that is a problem

[slow sky]

EBEs in general are always limited to certain chars

[spice basin]

Yeah I dunno 'bout that one, there is a line to draw there

[stone scarab]

Thats just the choice they have to make. And they've gotta make it for themselves at the end of the day

[final yacht]

Getting gems should be a very good reason to spend resources (other than gems ofc) imo

[spice basin]

I agree

[slow sky]

same for me

even UBs

if changing the LS can nett me the clear

[final yacht]

Especially if the resource is as common as

[slow sky]

so be it

i will change

[final yacht]

If it was candies I'd understand

[spice basin]

The resource in question is also EX through or , which is not scarce

[slow sky]

yea

[spice basin]

But it's up to them at the end of the day

[slow sky]

with the constant new lodge pairs every month

[final yacht]

Every other month right ? It's not every month iirc

[slow sky]

we are getting 20 PUs just from leveling up the lodge friendship levels every month

[hearty cedar]

Difference in context

[stone scarab]

Lodge pairs are one a month

[rotund oasis]

I EX'd a bunch of people this month 😮

[slow sky]

when I run out of limiteds to EX

[stone scarab]

Outside of the introduction where it was 9 in a month, its been 1 every month since

[slow sky]

i start EX-ing 5/5 general pools

[spice basin]

Do we consistently get a lodge unit per month?

[stone scarab]

Yes

[final yacht]

I dont think so

[slow sky]

so far ye

[rotund oasis]

we do

[final yacht]

Really

[slow sky]

its at least 1

[spice basin]

[hearty cedar]

Yes

[rotund oasis]

they haven't missed a month either.

[spice basin]

Damn

[slow sky]

altho it might be a limited unit

[hearty cedar]

1 every month

[inner heath]

lodge pairs are f2p pairs for how many months already

[stone scarab]

Hasn't been since last July at least

[slow sky]

most of the time are f2p/gen pools tho

yea

[hearty cedar]

Almost a year iirc

[spice basin]

Was the last limited batch Irida/Adaman?

[inner heath]

since irida/adaman

[spice basin]

Right

So nearing a year

[slow sky]

they probably got that backlash for those 2

so they decided to tone down on the limited for awhile

[final yacht]

Gloria Raihan Steven Irida Adaman Cynthia
That's it right

[stone scarab]

N and Marnie

[spice basin]

Marnie

[final yacht]

Oh yeah

[rotund oasis]

o/

[final yacht]

But lots of them were here since day 1 lodge

[slow sky]

yeap

[stone scarab]

3 of 8 limited were day 1 additions

[floral crypt]

The last limited additions were quite a while ago now

Haven't had one since Irida. Diantha feels overdue for it at this point.

Also Red but his best bet is Anniversary so nobody really "wants" to guess him on a non-Anniversary month

[hearty cedar]

Lodge red would absolutely suck

Every option is .......

[floral geode]

I mean, I already answered the question before

[final yacht]

You're the one talking not him

[floral geode]

I already have enough gems to pity one banner

problem is that I am trying to pity TWO banners

[hearty cedar]

Yolo

Lets move this to #poma-lounge

[spice basin]

Yeah I don't see how it's relevant here anymore

[floral geode]

well, I mainly went there because I am trying to get help beating the Ethan EBE without having to EX someone I would never use again after the EBE

[stone scarab]

And you've been told on multiple occasions now that it likely just is not possible

[inner heath]

**never use again **
you'll never know, also battle rally exists

[spice basin]

This is frankly not possible, I'm asking you to drop this discussion, it's becoming quite frustrating for everyone

[rotund oasis]

time to bully Palmer there ;_;

[hearty cedar]

Basically impossible but you are welcome to do the impossible

[slow sky]

Meanwhile I have EX'd chars that I hardly/never used but didn't even really cared about it

[floral geode]

sounds like you can afford to EX sync pairs left and right

[hearty cedar]

Why are we even hesitant of ex'ing units? We have no issues with powerups and spirits

[slow sky]

There is only really that many pairs that u will use in most situations

[floral geode]

you don't have issues with power up tickets, but I sure do

[slow sky]

Supports most of the time can cover multiple typings since they are there to buff the team and tank

[stable tundra]

guys please, Arch already put a warning

[floral geode]

okay, I'll stop now

[errant kite]

please do.

[valid raft]

What'd I miss

[final yacht]

Nothing

[hearty cedar]

Nothing important

[slow sky]

Palmer UB is odd

[river prawn]

Can't wait for Lucy UB next month

Foxanne time

[slow sky]

For some reason, when I tested Geeta, palmer will queue a move after Barry uses his TM

Resulting in an automatic fail in quad queue

[lunar sedge]

Something either ran out or reactive passive

[slow sky]

Even tho there was no wtz eff running out

[stable tundra]

Scadaman time

[slow sky]

Not sure what's the cause

[valid raft]

No, Giovanni time

[stable tundra]

who

[valid raft]

Variety and/or SS

[slow sky]

But Geeta at 3/5 probably works with NC hop

Since u can give her sync CD eff from her b move

[river prawn]

Zone conflicting

[slow sky]

Uh nop

I don't use fighting zone early stage

I even refreshed her poison zone before Rosa syncs

[warm haven]

NC Bede win
https://youtu.be/FI1BUOueVPU

it may be possible with 1/5 bede but i need deluxe cookies to test it

[hearty cedar]

Small doubt, wouldn't it have been better to use nate's sync as the 3rd sync instead of Gloria's? Like nate's sync + close combat should kill palmer. Or would it impact quad queuing?

[spiral summit]

No, Gloria Sync is way stronger there

[hearty cedar]

Oh ye normal zone removes the dragon zone. My bad

[spiral summit]

Remember he doesn’t have Dragon Zone bc of Palmer Normal Zone

[hearty cedar]

My bad

[spiral summit]

Np

I tried it early and it was very bad

I’m very happy about this bc it isn’t like NC Nate is carried by someone else

[hearty cedar]

Ye all 3 of them contributed

[random bronze]

damn so i did the math and I don't think i output enough

[spice basin]

The clears for this UB have been really interesting, nice to see a change in comps

[random bronze]

im like 3k dmg short

[hearty cedar]

Ngl, I would like to see someone clear anabel with nate + ss kris + sstr/cerena

I unfortunately dont have ss kris

[final yacht]

"change in comps"
Still uses the same dps

[spice basin]

[hearty cedar]

Only on the mid or sides included? Remember that we need to kill sides fast too

[low coral]

I'm not sure if that works with Tbolt Red

[spiral summit]

Dojo Gloria as a main dps

[low coral]

Cerena does, but pretty much anyone works with KriSS + Cerena vs Anabel

[hearty cedar]

True

[random bronze]

The sides die to articuno it's just the mid

maybe palmer is him

[hearty cedar]

Not enough nuke or something? Or is it bcuz nate takes one of the syncs away?

[random bronze]

either way im not getting the rolls for my damage

[hearty cedar]

Bear reminding us of its supremacy once again

[low coral]

Well, both

[hearty cedar]

Who are you using? Also, you can time your blizzards to deny a turn for palmer by killing the sides when they are about to make a move

[low coral]

Tbolt Red can carry the damage to some extent, but when you take away both Rebuff and someone to help with fast Cakewalk, it'll be much harder

[random bronze]

im doing that im still off by like a few thousand in damage

[hearty cedar]

Ww3 lucky skill?

I did it with hs1 on red

[low coral]

You generally want at least one of those things to truly help Red carry the damage

[hearty cedar]

Fair point

Well, my buddy felt left out with all the attention that victini got

[true lagoon]

is this possible without nc leaf

cuz im starting to notice a trend of my physical damage dealers being noticeably worse compared to special

[hearty cedar]

Probably possible with adaman

[true lagoon]

🚮

welp guess im not clearing

[hearty cedar]

Sun extension is the thing that's making me not run genesect + victini together

[true lagoon]

i know ny wallace and sstr can clear

[hearty cedar]

Sun extension is kinda too valuable

[true lagoon]

but 1/5 sst sucks

[hearty cedar]

You have ny wallace?

[true lagoon]

yeah

my issue is horrible physical attackers

[hearty cedar]

Any physical fire? Other than og hilda btw

[true lagoon]

literally my best physical fire is og hilda

[hearty cedar]

[true lagoon]

cant run silver cuz no sun extension

die of cringe

wait

actually

can silver work

[hearty cedar]

You can probably manage sun with 3 sun setters lol

Ye

Wallace sync will extend the sun

[true lagoon]

wait but does his sun overwrite field ex

[hearty cedar]

But no rebuff

[eternal yarrow]

My proof of not needing any quad queue at all, if you have this comp. Just need to time the 2nd mp use of Hop’s TM right after Regi sync.

[hearty cedar]

You need a rebuff

[true lagoon]

i have nc blue

[hearty cedar]

Or confusion or restrain etc

[true lagoon]

its just that sun probably will run out before silver can fully kill

[hearty cedar]

Then sun might not be enough

[true lagoon]

though i gave ny wallace cake

[hearty cedar]

You know....maybe maxie may work....

My intrusive thoughts are flowing out

Morty, genesect and maxie

[true lagoon]

so he should be able kill sides

[true lagoon]

i doubt maxie dps is enough for mid

[hearty cedar]

Genesect 2 shots sides so only mid is the problem

[true lagoon]

though i wouldnt be able to confirm cuz i dont have him

[hearty cedar]

Ye not enough

Bcuz we need a good physical dps or good physical nuke

[true lagoon]

and solar flare 5 is hardly a “nuke”

[hearty cedar]

Ye

Adaman is the way to go

Hold on, didnt ss gladion, ss roxie, geeta beat thorton?

[valid raft]

Uffff, Chase's passive is so annoying

[hearty cedar]

Whats wrong?

[valid raft]

It literally ruins quadqueueing

I can't even attempt a pre-sync clear on Thorton with him

[low coral]

Who are you running to try a pre-sync? You might not even need to tank with him

[valid raft]

Thorton

[low coral]

Who are you running, not who are you fighting

[valid raft]

SS May and NC Leaf

[low coral]

Tank with Leaf, she's able to

[valid raft]

It's more like the 1st two attacks are AoE

[low coral]

The main problem is more on damage output I believe

[valid raft]

Icy Wind and EQ

[low coral]

Since Chase is only there to accelerate sync and boost Leaf's sync

Runner did a similar pre-sync run, but he used Wallace over Chase

With only physical DPS and single target nukes, you'll have trouble turn skipping sides

Which is generally important for pre-syncs

[valid raft]

I'm also lacking HS1

But is it actually possible to pre-sync Thorton with my team?

[low coral]

I don't have NC Leaf to test, but I would lean towards no

Unlike the SS Hilda pre-sync runs, those at least still had some form of Special damage and AoE to wear down sides

Idk, maybe you can burst down Thorton fast enough and then you simply deal with sides, but idt the theory is in your favour

If you are going to try it, I think I would at least use a Staggering Chase

[valid raft]

Afflictor's Fervor, May's TM and potentially HS1, all of those allow me to sync on the 2nd turn

[low coral]

https://youtu.be/VRYn4F29yCw?si=_LG3Q50cFMfHf6Ua

[valid raft]

Stop trying to make SS N look good, he's supposed to be bad

[jade grotto]

How I'm supposed to presync palmer?

[low coral]

Well, that same video shows this as N's two turns move damage

And this as Red's single turn damage

[jade grotto]

I used champion hop and did like 20% damage

[low coral]

Check the clear sheets

Hop doing 20% means you're not setting up his nuke

[jade grotto]

I don't have the nuke, only dps

I don't want to 6ex 3/5 him just for the stage

[low coral]

Well, then don't use Hop as your nuke, you would have to run someone else

Someone like Rei

[jade grotto]

Don't have him, maybe I could run an off type nuke

Maybe the rats could do something

[valid raft]

You have Chase?

[jade grotto]

Yes but 1/5

[low coral]

1/5 is enough if Red and Ash got dupes

[jade grotto]

Red is 3/5 rolex

Ash is 1/5 but I can level up him I guess

[low coral]

And Ash? Ash's dupes are probably more important as I would rather nuke with Ash here

[valid raft]

My Chase is 3/5 and his X Sp. Atk. All: Team Smart Command absolutely helps Ash

[jade grotto]

Isn't red nuke better?

[low coral]

You got Kanto Circle for Ash here, he nukes AoE, and Palmer prevents Cakewalk setup unless you have teo units boosting it

Red usually does nuke better, but this enviroment favours Ash

[jade grotto]

I have NC red and irida too

[valid raft]

Ash also has TSR to give him 1 more damage guard

[true lagoon]

its hard to setup cakewalk and palmer has +4 def in the first cycle

so in this case he will nuke worse

[low coral]

How invested?

[jade grotto]

NC red 3/5 rolex, irida 3/5 no 6ex

[low coral]

Go for Ice team, it's the stronger one

[valid raft]

I wish MGA would last longer, otherwise team can actually pre-sync Palmer

It's only thanks to that MGA wearing off that I wasn't able to pre-sync

[low coral]

https://youtu.be/n_08sjgTLa0?si=CKiBt_dIZreoeKSV this uses 3/5 Chase, but as you can see, it's a huge overkill

1/5 will work just fine

[hearty cedar]

I dont know if this team is already in the doc or not but I tried this and it works and I think you probably have these units

Took me 4 attempts to get the flinch on turn 1

[low coral]

It is in the doc by Runner, yes

[hearty cedar]

Ooh

Should have seen it

[valid raft]

@low coral You think that 4/5 Chase is huge because of that one node granting crit shield whenever he uses his TM?

[hearty cedar]

He doesnt need crit shield

If you are having issues with quad queuing then just use his tm

[low coral]

For Thorton? Or in general?

[valid raft]

General

[low coral]

No

[valid raft]

Hmmmm ok

[low coral]

Well, for Thorton too lol

[valid raft]

But will it be usable for Palmer?

[low coral]

Doubt it

Mina can do it because she buffs the team's defenses

Chase only buffs his

maybe for a NC Leaf run?

If anything, I like 4/5 because it lets me run 68 energy

[covert marlin]

Chase doesn't heal you fast enough after a sync but a max move will surely kill without a protect shield

[true lagoon]

i have none of them but thanks for trying

[hearty cedar]

Mind showing me your roster?

[jade grotto]

Guess I have to wait for sprit Rolex for chase

Second sync isn't enough to kill the center but with sprint Rolex I should be able to reach 3rd sync

[low coral]

How does your roster look like?

Cynthia can go over Chase

SS N works as well

[jade grotto]

Cynthia is Rolex but her sync messes with ice zone

[low coral]

Not a problem

[candid crescent]

use ice wish after the sync

[low coral]

Check in-game replays, I have a run with that trio there

[jade grotto]

Yes I guess I can reset ice wish

[low coral]

Just follow it

[river prawn]

Irida and NC Red have Chase, SSA and NC Rosa as support options

For Palmer

[candid crescent]

I am trying to make 4/5 Paulo work in ice comp as well

It seems to miss in sliver of health

I'll try once I get ww3 on NCred

[jade grotto]

Don't know if without Kanto circle I could get the denial on second sync

[low coral]

Not a Support, but Sygna Suit N works too

[jade grotto]

But I guess I need to put an extra headstart somewhere, since aura Cynthia can only boost 1 sync action and NC red 1 too

[river prawn]

Could SS Silver work similarly to SS N

[jade grotto]

At this point since is permanent content I may wait for sprint Rolex on chase

[manic peak]

Finally after trying all day i had the lucky run with the red ash blue team.

[ancient sable]

Do we have any teams that can clear Palmer that don’t require quad queuing?

[marble flume]

Is there a specific reason quadqueue isn’t an option?

[ancient sable]

I can’t ever time it properly

[marble flume]

I’d recommend just practicing a lot more then, slow the game speed down if necessary

[ancient sable]

I’ve tried on different speeds, it’s just far too inconsistent to rely on

[marble flume]

You can look at the video guides for the teams and see if any don’t use quadqueue, but overall it’s just something you’ll have to practice more at until you can get it more consistent (assuming all your practice was done with teams that don’t inherently prevent quadqueue)

[shrewd marten]

When you see the swirly thingy of the sync buff begin the spam

You’ll get it about 60% of the time

[carmine oyster]

Not sure if there's a better channel to ask this

But anyone able to help me find out the best universally usable team I can make out of this?

[half smelt]

For the teams on blue rats, its first sync Blue, right?

And what are people using as Blues LS? Vigilance?

[carmine oyster]

This is what I'm currently using

[river prawn]

Probably sync accel skills

Vigilance won't matter against Palmer

[covert marlin]

Red Articuno, Cynthia Lucario, Silver Tyranitar, cannot go wrong with 3 MFs

[marble flume]

For general teambuilding we have our Teambuilding 101 in #1010307000346878062. It’s a great set of guidelines that’ll help you understand the whys and hows of teambuilding!

[eternal yacht]

Is Paulo good at dealing with Darach?

[river prawn]

Yes

[eternal yacht]

3/5

Ok but what supp does he want

[river prawn]

But need a 2nd damage dealer at least

[marble flume]

There are far better teams that can be made than just doing that

[eternal yacht]

Besides Bertha being there

[river prawn]

There are suportless clears with Paulo

Paulo, SS Diantha and NC Silver for example

[eternal yacht]

Who has the smoothest run?

Without accounting for NC Silver or Emmett

[river prawn]

Diantha then

[eternal yacht]

Does she need 5/5?

Cuz rock zone is gonna be weird

[covert marlin]

CS 2

[river prawn]

You have mpr at 3/5

[marble flume]

Ignore that

I thought they said SS Blue

My apologies

[covert marlin]

that's still a good LS if vigilance is not usable

[eternal yacht]

Man I gotta bite the bullet amd 3/5 her

[covert marlin]

otherwise headstart shenanigans

[carmine oyster]

Yeah that's how I've been building teams but I just frankly feel like there's something I'm missing which is why I asked

[river prawn]

I mean your pairs are very underleveled

[marble flume]

Let’s take this over to #poma-questions since this thread is for content-specific teambuilding

[ancient sable]

I think this is just too technical for me to get so I’ll just wait for a run that doesn’t require it. Sometimes they already queue a move before my sync goes off so idk what to do about that.

[shrewd marten]

There are some things that

No I’ll just be lazy

Field effects of run out

When sync

Then they queue before you

You no want accel and zone turn 1

[river prawn]

Yeah that ruins quad queue window

[shrewd marten]

Are you using accel turn 1

Show sample

[pine loom]

I need help with Lance stage

[ancient sable]

I’m not even sure what that means

[pine loom]

CSMM stage

[shrewd marten]

Just show me team ur using kek I explain example good

[true lagoon]

sorry i dont have access to my tracker image atm but you can skim through it

[half smelt]

So Blue is first sync, and Red second sync?

[true lagoon]

on who

[fading walrus]

@low coral what does your irida grid for the Palmer clear look like?

[ancient sable]

NC Rosa, NC Hop and Rei

[shrewd marten]

Oh so like hop right

He gives a lot of fighting zone right?

But if you fighting zone, and then it runs out just as you queue a sync move, it will make the enemy queue move

[half smelt]

Palmer. Cant finish it

[shrewd marten]

Therefore, you must time your zones to be not ending as you sync

[low coral]

I have like, 4 different Irida clears on Palmer but all of them run this

[fading walrus]

Uh, interesting

Lol

Based +5 ACC picker

[ancient sable]

Alright, I’ll keep that in mind but I think it’s just beyond me to do

[cosmic token]

Any ones you have video of?

[shrewd marten]

There are some videos if you copy their exact turn order then you can practice the quad queue

[low coral]

SS N and Chase I have recorded, Cynthia is in-game

[shrewd marten]

Honestly I’m a 40% myself

I’m just persistent

[fading walrus]

Oh yeah since I'm here, what about NC red @low coral

Sorry for the bother

[low coral]

I think I can cook a DeoS clear as well, but

[fading walrus]

Just the usual?

[low coral]

Palmer is breaking the quad for a reason I can't identify

Specifically the last one where he does Ancient Power, not sure if his Swag Bag breaks it

[cosmic token]

I just checked the grid. Don't have Irida expanded yet.

[fading walrus]

He just does that sometimes

[low coral]

Ik Move Gauge Refresh could break even when used by the enemy

But I can't see a clear passive that does it for Palmer

[fading walrus]

Well they do have mgr9

[low coral]

Oh, I didn't notice MGR9

Well, that's too bad

Idt I can do it with Deoxys + Ice core in that case

[fading walrus]

Mgr9 only sometimes does it tho

[true lagoon]

do i have any possible comps for any ub (i hate that theres no limiteds only filter)

[fading walrus]

Like, on my Geeta hop Rosa runs it would fuck up the quad 60-70% of times

[low coral]

Have you cleared any of them or do you need help with everyone?

[true lagoon]

i think the problem is just no move level on sst

or tech nukes in general

i havent been able to do any ive gotten close with diantha gordie and nc blue but mpr is refusing to work

[low coral]

Investing into Tbolt Red would be the best choice, yes

[half smelt]

Palmer is doable without quad queuing, right?

And is rosa hop rei easiest?

[true lagoon]

if you have rei and nc hop

[low coral]

Depends on your team

[true lagoon]

otherwise just practice it

it wont hurt

[true lagoon]

yea

[river prawn]

Offtype teams probably require it

Multiple times

[half smelt]

Going to have to 3/5 my rei. Fml

And exr my rosa

[true lagoon]

1/5 rei still works if nc hop is 3/5

[half smelt]

Yeah hop is 3/5

Do I have to exr rei?

[true lagoon]

if hes not 3/5 you have no real reason to sync with him

or well theres -3

but thats all it does pretty much

[half smelt]

So first sync rosa, second hop?

[jade grotto]

If you get headstart 1 or adrenaline 1 ls on Rolex chase and headstart 1 on irida I guess you could clear it without quad queue with Rolex NC 3/5 red Rolex chase and Irida 3/5

I guess if chase is 5/5 you don't need the extra headstart and grid for sync burst

[ancient sable]

I don’t have Chase period but thanks anyhow

[eternal yarrow]

I’m able to replicate successfully my clears without any quad queues, using 1/5 NCHop (EX), 3/5 SSACynthia (EX, caked), 3/5 Rei (EX, caked)

[ancient sable]

Okay, I’ll give it a try when I get Rei to 3/5. Thanks

[shrewd marten]

Like palmer into Barry queue just does that sometimes I don’t know why it’s inconsistent

Does swag bag just do that

[true lagoon]

maybe its like flinch insta queue

[half smelt]

Finally done. Costed me 2 candies and 2 cakes.

[cosmic token]

Ugh. I’m just gonna have to wait. Maybe this week I’ll work on raising my High Score.

[tawny oar]

Finally i beat palmer without quadqueue 😍😍😍

Thanks geeta my support

[fading walrus]

That team is really fun

[peak mist]

in the matchup chart, is there a reason why blue is S vs palmer?

cause i cant think of much outside of ash team that blue would be ran in there

[true lagoon]

basically why

[warm haven]

well, rats team is prob the best team for palmer

[true lagoon]

he still facilitates ash really well and has 2x rebuff vs mid

so its not like thats a bad matchup anyway

considering this is literally damage race the stage

[peak mist]

so him being able to facilitate one team is enough for S rank?

[warm haven]

Rebuff, def/spdeff debuff, fast spatk+crit buffs

he even adds damage

and even the defensive side is good to make your team survive the sync

[true lagoon]

i mean yeah hes still strong offensively

[true lagoon]

wait how lol

crits ignore stat changes right

or do you just mean b move heals

[peak mist]

he has +6 atk at sync

[warm haven]

yeah but im talking about atk debuffs

[peak mist]

so atk debuffs do matter

[true lagoon]

oh

[warm haven]

he also has +2 SMUN that with rng becomes a +4 SMUN burst

[true lagoon]

tm mpr

🚪 🚶🏾‍♂️

[warm haven]

not that he needs it

[true lagoon]

i always despise 1 mp mprs

they always feel worse than advertised

[warm haven]

for me 30% mpr is hell and 40% is heaven

[peak mist]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-rng-gif-26669814

1mp mprs be like

[true lagoon]

so true

[low coral]

For how the matchup chart works, yeah

I'm not sure what's the parameter for something not being S or C

But, most of the time, if you got a clear, you get S there

I personally wouldn't rank Blue very high on Palmer, but being able to facilitate Ash is a decent niche

Although Ash can work without him

[peak mist]

i was just assuming stuff without multiple teams would be A or something, least if its not the dps. alright

[low coral]

I would personally do that if it were up to me, yeah

[cold widget]

is it possible to clear take on hau with these?

[low coral]

Show your Alolan units

[cold widget]

I don't have a lot

[low coral]

Hmm, idt you got the roster for it

Like, in theory you do, but Hau is such a RNG nightmare that it's not worth doing it in years

Anyway, people talk about turn skipping Empoleon, how about we turn skip Snorlax's first move as well?

[shrewd marten]

i for some reason never thought of turn denialing

and i regret not doing that for my video now

fuck

[rotund oasis]

pats

the sides are a bit chonkey for it so... its better to just quadqueue like mad ;_;

[low coral]

Tbf, turn denying Snorlax is like

Ultra hard

But Empoleon is possible for multiple comps

[shrewd marten]

The ncleaf rei thing I figured out how to do (empoleon) AFTER I recorded the video

It just came to me randomly

[slow sky]

Meanwhile I had to do both ☠️

[shrewd marten]

Paaaaain

My brain took a vacation fr

[slow sky]

both of my comps wouldnt work without managing to do either lmao

[low coral]

Really liked doing this one

[shrewd marten]

truly roplame is the ncred man

i saw the comment that said he missed ash and i keked abnormally hard

[rotund oasis]

wait

SS Steven? :O?!

wow. only needs to TM Refresh on NC Red eh.

Oh they've got Skill Gears

[modest orchid]

Ok so I’m trying to do the Penny EBE and I saw a team with Kris & Gatr, BP Morty, Lodge Jasmine and I was wondering if a team of Kris, SS Morty, Whitney as the statuser would work

[stable tundra]

You can try the team first. Do note that you have to be wise with Whitney's rotation, because she is both the statuser and flinch bot in the same time

[modest orchid]

Ok

[low coral]

We don't have a single team beating every UB up to this point yet, right?

[warm haven]

Sadly not

I couldnt beat palmer with nc blue, sst red & nc silver

The fairy team got filtered by argenta

Same as the poison team

[low coral]

I think it's possible for Red / Irida / Cynthia then

Just gotta test Argenta out

[peak mist]

Irida could probably nuke till half bar for argenta

[warm haven]

Eeeeh

Red+ irida could beat thorton?

[low coral]

Well, this was my second try, and I missed a quad + Cynthia got frozen by a Blizzard

So it's 100% possible and not even that hard

I also had Defense Crush 2 on Irida, but idk if it was worth it

Prob was

[obsidian meadow]

Do Ethan/Penny have wise or sentry or something like that?

[low coral]

Ethan has Wise Entry x3, Penny doesn't

Also, yeah, this isn't even hard

[valid raft]

Ethan has weather and Wise Entry x3, Penny has fairy zone and Healthy Advantage

[true lagoon]

penny is a lot easier to deal with cuz she doesnt have damage multipliers in zone just the innate boost

meanwhile charging sun 9:

[valid raft]

Laughs in flinch

[true lagoon]

doesnt the f2p clear still need a lot of rng

[valid raft]

Maybe, but off-region requires you to have NC Blue

[obsidian meadow]

Thanks for the notes everyone, these are tricky!

[low coral]

K, so we got a team that beats ALL UBs now

[cosmic token]

I was thinking of x2 candy CHop but I think this week I’m gonna grind orbs to expand CRed and Irida. Probably my best bet since I can’t get the rats to win.

[valid raft]

https://tenor.com/view/irida-pokemon-legends-arceus-pokemon-legends-pokemon-arceus-gif-24751605

[valid raft]

Also ironic that one of the mediocre types in this game suddenly turns into this

[low coral]

Yeah, Irida was the first turning point, then NC Red came and the type did a total 180 compared to what it was for pretty much the entire life of the game

[cosmic token]

This is why I think Irida is better than Adaman. Adaman’s unga bunga in an already unga-bunga type. Irida spun a whole type around and CRed just hit the gas more.

[ancient sable]

Is there some RNG to Ash’s BMove? I was trying the 3/5 Rats + NC Blue Palmer clear. I did everything identically to the video but Ash’s BMove in the video hit for 250k while mine only did 150k. The gauge was full when I queued it and did NC Blue’s TM right before it too.

[true lagoon]

full off region? cuz i did it with sstr only

[low coral]

Outside of natural rolls, no

Were you in range for Ash's Pinch passives to activate? That gives him +2 SMUN

[ancient sable]

I don’t think the pinch was needed in the video but I’ll double check

Yeah, no pinch in the clear so idk

[valid raft]

Yeah, full off-region

[valid raft]

Does NC Blue have Satisfied Snicker gridded?

[true lagoon]

then i can see that

you need the attack debuffs so sst doesnt die

cuz even with +6 spdef he died to first sync

[ancient sable]

He does but the grids given have that

[valid raft]

Ethan's sync is physical

[true lagoon]

oh wait i was talking about penny for some reason

yeah ignore me im a goof

ethan was just ss kris and lmao

i had more issues with penny tbh

[valid raft]

Remove it

I was able to get Ash into critical HP range thanks to not gridding Satisfied Snicker

[ancient sable]

This is the one I’m trying to do: https://youtu.be/8NgKOXaUq_o?si=n4eTqSLGSR2jLgwL

[valid raft]

Well, I technically have my own clear using Chase

[ancient sable]

No Chase here

[valid raft]

Have you tried many times and couldn't get Ash down to critical HP?

[ancient sable]

I think Red goes down then and I need him to do a Max Move still

My SST Red is Field EX Role too

[valid raft]

Who's your first target?

[ancient sable]

Palmer

[valid raft]

I mean in your team

[ancient sable]

NC Blue

[valid raft]

Most of the time, I make Ash as the first target just for the sole reason of triggering his Initial Pinch Boost

[ancient sable]

I’ll just wait for an easier clear, this one is too RNG for my liking.

Finally got Palmer down on one run and then Ash’s sync didn’t KO the sides, so lost anyway

[shrewd marten]

She didn’t spin the type she’s just an amazing unit that would be good in any type

Like ncsilver is just sandstorm irida

But no aoe debuff so we sad

Ncred is the hammer that changed the type

[true lagoon]

Irida is a push in the right direction

Nc red was like a rocket ship

[shrewd marten]

Also comparing adaman and irida makes no sense because blah blah blah different niches blaaaaah

[crude marten]

you just want a clear right?

[shrewd marten]

They do not want to have to get many(or any) quad queue

And just clear it

[crude marten]

there are only one quad needed in my clear

but blue mpr rng

[ancient sable]

I don’t have any other teams that can do it on the sheet so

[crude marten]

only once

[true lagoon]

my gatekeep is not having move levels on sst

for like

every ub

its not even funny

[crude marten]

you can follow my rotation here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kU9PuZsML_Y

[shrewd marten]

I find that rei Riley doesn’t work if rei isn’t 3/5

Maybe I just suck

[true lagoon]

nah riley nuke just isnt good

his attack is already on the lower end and only brawn sync 5 on grid is not great

[ancient sable]

My Rei is 1/5 and only 1 Sprint candy

[shrewd marten]

I mean I did it 1/4

[covert marlin]

if either Adaman or Irida is the absolute top unit in their type, who cares if Irida is for a weaker and less saturated type?
you probably still want the strongest team possible

[shrewd marten]

But don’t do my clear

[covert marlin]

[shrewd marten]

Like just don’t do mine

[crude marten]

ash is running nuke build, red is max conductivity and para synergt, blue is mind games 2 and def/spdef down 2 on sync

that clear barely has any rng besides blue mpr proc

[true lagoon]

adaman is still the better unit overall imo

he has more utility that can counter stuff like ubs

[shrewd marten]

Eh

[true lagoon]

well its mainly rebuff

[shrewd marten]

Kek

Considering irida is literally GLUED to ncred

It’s not a factor

It just isn’t

[true lagoon]

i mean irida is a good standalone unit

[low coral]

Irida def has more utility than Adaman, Adaman is the one doing more damage by himself

[shrewd marten]

If you’re taking rebuffs into account

Basically the only content that really NEEEDS it is ubs and that one ebe trying to sell Rosa

So

Non factor

Cuz otherwise irida wins utility by many many metrics

And besides moot point cuz irida is closer to a support in nature

[ancient sable]

I’m not even sure what we’re arguing here

[shrewd marten]

And adaman is more selfish in nature

[true lagoon]

adaman vs iruda

which is a moot point imo

[shrewd marten]

It is

[covert marlin]

lowering defense up to 6, hits like a truck on his own, apply rebuff and sun, can even tank if wanted, basically gaugeless
that's "utility"

[shrewd marten]

So why say adaman is a better unit overall

[true lagoon]

but adaman is still stronger overall but only barely

[shrewd marten]

[true lagoon]

its really do you want more self output or do you want to boost your special attacking pairs

[shrewd marten]

It’s like saying ncblue is a better unit than ncleaf or ncred I can’t say it’s wrong but if you have the others you can clear other things

Just not a useful point to argue

[low coral]

I would say it's wrong

[shrewd marten]

The ncred man have cometh

[low coral]

Nah, jk, I wouldn't necessarily say it's wrong, but I wouldn't particularly agree

[shrewd marten]

Listen I’m the insane person who has a 150 maxed ncred and I never use it

Like ever

Only for cs

[low coral]

Imo, this game has more of a top 3 than a top 1

[shrewd marten]

I only use ncblue and ncleaf everywhere

[valid raft]

Well, this is extremely surprising

[shrewd marten]

I classify it in different categories

[shrewd marten]

Treeko did it at 1/5 I’m pretty sure

[true lagoon]

whats surprising

[shrewd marten]

But like why have a top unit list overall

[true lagoon]

3/5 rei shouldnt have problems even in double support

[valid raft]

2/5 Rei with only Superduper Effective

[true lagoon]

oh oar is 2/5?

[shrewd marten]

When I can put it in 3 different lists

[valid raft]

Also Super Desperate

[shrewd marten]

Even then it’s a bit awkward

I’d honestly go for 4 lists

[low coral]

Well, this game usually did have one unit that tended to stand out from the rest even regardless of role

[shrewd marten]

But that’s because I have a certain ncleaf bias

[low coral]

I just don't think it's the case atm

[true lagoon]

tbh nc leaf really took the flame on release cuz everyone saw b move and leer and shat on her for it

[shrewd marten]

Yah

Everyone said

No base damage move

[valid raft]

I said nothing

[shrewd marten]

Therefore shit

I remember the lg people saying that

And then the solos released

[true lagoon]

i mean leer is a 1 bar move to get more countdown

[low coral]

Well, I defended her, I always thought that argument was dumb like if Leaf would be bad on LG lol

[true lagoon]

it still works lol

[low coral]

While I said "just spam Leer and sync"

[shrewd marten]

I don’t say anything cuz I hate lg in general

I just said I don’t care

I had no stake in it I was just defending her

[ancient sable]

I’ll try that later on. Going to take a break for tonight. Is Mind Games absolutely necessary on NC Blue?

[shrewd marten]

Also I think borderline Omni debuff was really underrated on release

I’m not actually sure why though

[low coral]

I still wouldn't put Leaf quite on Red and Blue level, but just right below

Which still lands her on what, my overall top 5

[shrewd marten]

I would

[true lagoon]

eh

i dont think it was

[shrewd marten]

Mostly cuz I value her debuff utility and other bs way more than I kill real good (ncred)

[true lagoon]

everyone just saw her b move and said ew

[shrewd marten]

Wot

Why

[true lagoon]

cuz like i said earlier

no damage without rebuff???

which is really irrelevant in the grand scheme of things

but

[valid raft]

Should I try to record the clear of my 2/5 Rei?

[true lagoon]

it was datamine

[shrewd marten]

That’s a lg thing only tho

[low coral]

Debuff utility is generally great, I just think Red's damage is that dummy high lol

[shrewd marten]

Everything else it physically doesn’t matter

[true lagoon]

yeah which makes it even more silly to argue but again hindsight is 20/20

[shrewd marten]

Hm

Ok

[low coral]

Like, it reaches a point where the enemy simply can't react anyway

[shrewd marten]

Well I’m the kinda person who kinda hates using one team against everything

[true lagoon]

i gotta wonder why they only gave him 336 attack

[shrewd marten]

So the fact ncleaf is a splash type is amazing

Much better to me

[true lagoon]

you’d think he’d be at least 400s or high 300s

then again shitting smun out the ass is probably more than enough

[low coral]

Well, you do know I use Red outside of Irida cores quite a lot as well

But idt other people do as much

Because there's not much reason to

[shrewd marten]

I think it’s clear ncred irida is like

[valid raft]

I've taken over Ropalme's position as using the 3rd anni trio

[shrewd marten]

Why wouldn’t you

It’s just that good

[shrewd marten]

Never give up on them

[true lagoon]

is it better than ash sst core

i think i still havent seen a conclusive answer to that

[valid raft]

Ash also has Chase core

[low coral]

Well, Tbolt Red > Irida, but NC Red > Ash

[shrewd marten]

With ncleaf I’ve used adaman for drought alert 8 memes and that’s fun

I think irida will be better

If field ex

[low coral]

Idt you can get to a conclusive answer at all

[low coral]

Well, Chase is better on Ice teams than Electric ones lol

[shrewd marten]

That’s wild

[valid raft]

Chase is purely better in electric comp with Ash

[jade marsh]

nah

[shrewd marten]

He just has passion

It shouldn’t matter if electric

[low coral]

He's actually also better on Fire than Electric imo

[shrewd marten]

What fire team are you using without ncleaf

[crude marten]

theres still a room left to dps before he sync so not really necessary

[shrewd marten]

[true lagoon]

nc leaf ss red momento

[jade marsh]

because the gap between Chase and Aura Cyn and Blue on an ice comp is way bigger than NC Blue on an electric core

[low coral]

Or any special Fire even

[shrewd marten]

Eh why’s chase good with ncleaf passion doesn’t help her sync

[jade marsh]

it does

[true lagoon]

because ss red

[shrewd marten]

It does???

[jade marsh]

circles apply to sync

[shrewd marten]

That’s epic

[true lagoon]

also circle affects syncs

[low coral]

All of Leon, Wallace, SS Red, Anni N, etc. Love using Leaf + Chase

[valid raft]

Circle abilities apply to sync yeah

[shrewd marten]

I am madge I skipped him now

Fuuuuuuuuuu

[low coral]

Leaf's Sync is Fire Blast

[true lagoon]

i got ny wallace at least i have a circle unit

[valid raft]

Leaf is like SS Lyra

Special sync, physical DPS

[shrewd marten]

No I know that

I’m saying I didn’t know circle applied to syncs

[true lagoon]

+reading

[plucky swan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855438548684374045/1069103333429747752/image-2.png

[shrewd marten]

Wut

[valid raft]

Why'd you think Chase was included in the ice comp?

[shrewd marten]

That essay doesn’t say

It applies to sync

[true lagoon]

its literally in the description isnt it

[shrewd marten]

Both irida and ncred are special

Why wouldn’t it be better

[low coral]

It's one of the reasons why you don't bother with Haymaker on SS Red + Leaf

[true lagoon]

yeah it literally is

[low coral]

As the Circle + Rebuff makes it a far better option anyway than any Haymaker build

[valid raft]

It's mainly to boost Red

[true lagoon]

doesnt nc leaf make haymaker not worth anyway

[shrewd marten]

Why use ssred instead of like

Hilda

[true lagoon]

cuz of double rebuff

[true lagoon]

physical sync

[shrewd marten]

I forget everyone calls it searing shit

[true lagoon]

id call it that by accident

[low coral]

Hilda's a better unit still, but you would change cores

Hilda would prob run someone like SS Morty third

Chase is not worth it with her

[crude marten]

i still think fire is missing uber support

[valid raft]

Someone give me HS1 and let me try to pre-sync Thorton without SS Hilda

[valid raft]

And SS Morty isn't?

[crude marten]

not for damage

[shrewd marten]

That

Bro that doesn’t mean he isn’t Uber

[true lagoon]

the uber support for damage is nc leaf

[crude marten]

already did with wallace and rats

[true lagoon]

and i genuinely believe this

[shrewd marten]

Actually Trueee

I wanna make a list for support techs

[valid raft]

That's fair

[shrewd marten]

And irida and leaf are going on there

So is lyra now that I think about it

[crude marten]

well uber in terms of damage scaling ig

[low coral]

Lyra ain't an Uber unit

[true lagoon]

thats still nc leaf lol

omni debuffs and -2 rebuff + sun is really hard to beat

[shrewd marten]

Well now that every ub releases with unflappable but like before

[crude marten]

like if fire gets something like chase but physical circle and sun it’ll improve fire team a lot

[true lagoon]

isnt fire still mostly a lean towards special

[low coral]

Well, even before, she was never good on any UB outside of Argenta where she has a type advantage + beats part of the gimmick

[shrewd marten]

[valid raft]

If we get Hoenn Circle, then SC Zinnia stonks

[crude marten]

youre not taking out leaf

its leaf + hilda/wallace + x

[candid crescent]

anyone tried chase, mixred, adaman vs palmer?

[shrewd marten]

Well I think it’s a tad unfair to say bad on ultimate battle so therefore not s but this is endgame so

Meh

[candid crescent]

[valid raft]

Adaman will be hampered here

[shrewd marten]

In that case only 2 units s on the list

[shrewd marten]

He can cook

[valid raft]

I'd rather Bulurola than Chase

[true lagoon]

he can still nuke

[shrewd marten]

Oh you mean in the team

[candid crescent]

No Accel, no sprint Rolex

Bulu is literal bricked unit

[shrewd marten]

That it is not

[candid crescent]

[shrewd marten]

This is coming from your resident bulu hater btw

[low coral]

Well, which UB other than Argenta is she actually good?

[valid raft]

Who?

[shrewd marten]

No I’m agreeing she sucks on ubs

[low coral]

SS Lyra

[true lagoon]

man she needs defensive buffing so bad

[candid crescent]

Doesn't she perform vs thorton?

[shrewd marten]

I’m just saying it’s just one content

[true lagoon]

she just explodes to any special attack

[candid crescent]

No, she just wants more Accel

To beat palmer

[true lagoon]

oh for palmer sure

[valid raft]

IG she helps on Darach

[shrewd marten]

But this is endgame so I accept it makes sense

[low coral]

She's not so good on EBEs either, although a bit better than on UBs

[true lagoon]

for ub in general its a struggle to use her

[shrewd marten]

She cheats in Johto ebe

And a lot of people struggling on it

[true lagoon]

cuz my god they do not stop using special attacks

[candid crescent]

Well UBs are just mixed damage

[low coral]

Outside of Johto boosted ones, but every MF is good on boosted EBEs

[candid crescent]

You want both defensive spread

[true lagoon]

well if the gimmick is purely move damage then flinching would stop the gimmick

[fast berry]

Yo I was trying to use this team but I keep messing up with the timing of regi sync maxing and him creating the normal zone. You think you can help?

[shrewd marten]

Really Ethan is good on it

[true lagoon]

yes and thats what im saying

[shrewd marten]

(I jest)

[true lagoon]

shes terrible on the special side

[valid raft]

I have a video on that

[true lagoon]

even for argenta she needs mix red to not die

[candid crescent]

well even for palmer she suk

Who only hits 2x

[fast berry]

DM me the link

[candid crescent]

Coz the battle wants you to rush

When she has no Accel source

[shrewd marten]

I was extremely close with accerola rei and adaman

[candid crescent]

She's just not built for UBs

[shrewd marten]

If rei was not 1/5 it would work

[candid crescent]

It's rei

He's ontype with 2nd highest sync Accel

[valid raft]

https://youtu.be/y8zipuxMedg?si=H6tLv2ijhhwiE4Fa

[candid crescent]

In entire game

[shrewd marten]

Ok and?

[candid crescent]

The fact that bulu can't carry that is just

[shrewd marten]

Can just any old unit clear it with rei?

[valid raft]

If your Rei is 3/5, then you can definitely beat it

[shrewd marten]

2/5 is enough

For adaman

Also how is a support supposed to carry

On content designed for all out damage

[candid crescent]

Ditch bulu and run mix red to ramp faster
You'll sweep

[shrewd marten]

I’ve already beat it

[candid crescent]

Support still need to pull their weight
Especially in UBs

[shrewd marten]

Ehhhhhhhhh

That logic is so

Backwards

[candid crescent]

[shrewd marten]

It’s not like adaman can do 100k nuke without grassy terrain

[valid raft]

You know what I want for Ash's EXR? Sprint

[shrewd marten]

Against palmer

[shrewd marten]

It’s either that or tech so 50/50

[candid crescent]

Ye and there's mixred

For terrain

Who also Ramps

[shrewd marten]

Yeah just pay money

That’s a solid argument

[candid crescent]

I never said he's free

[shrewd marten]

You didn’t but it means that saying bulu just bad is like eh

Very usable

[candid crescent]

Bulu still like
Only 2 UBs

Even with factoring in palmer

Where she isn't carrying, it's adaman and rei

And other one is ontype

[shrewd marten]

I don’t understand how a support is supposed to carry

I use ncblue cerena kriss

[fast berry]

Wait so you didn't beat it?

[shrewd marten]

Is ncblue carrying? not really

[fast berry]

I just saw the video

[shrewd marten]

But is he pulling his weight?

Yes

[fast berry]

Man that's rough

[crude marten]

he is already sprint with pinch push

[candid crescent]

It depends on what you are fighting

If it's Anabel
He's deadweight

[crude marten]

they already planned ahead when balancing ash

[fast berry]

IG I do need nc hop

[shrewd marten]

It is Annabel

[candid crescent]

If it's thorton, he's the one carrying

[shrewd marten]

And no

He’s not dead fucking weight

It’s a 1/5 kris

The clear would be alot less comfortable without him

[candid crescent]

Kriss+cerena is free comp for Anabel, you can make may work as third slot

[shrewd marten]

This paradigm doesn’t make sense

It’s not all or nothing

[fast berry]

Hmm

[shrewd marten]

And no kriss cerena isn’t free if kris isn’t 3/5

[candid crescent]

[shrewd marten]

Try it

Go ahead

[candid crescent]

I mean, I don't even have the 2 MF supports
But doesn't change the fact that Kris+cerena has remained a free win

[shrewd marten]

At 3/5

At 3/5 you literally only need a countdown bot

[true lagoon]

without 3/5 kris you only get one extra refresh on rain

and no team stoic

probably the most important part cuz kris does not do physical well at all

[shrewd marten]

And also how does it make sense to say a support is supposed to carry

[true lagoon]

i mean nc blue is the closest we have but even then thats very dependent on who else you have

its more like

[shrewd marten]

That’s wut I mean

[true lagoon]

you need a good support or you have no chance

[shrewd marten]

Units are synergistic in nature

[true lagoon]

even if you have the other right units

[shrewd marten]

So it’s not, this support is carrying

It’s the team is running like a solid engine, which parts are contributing more or less

[true lagoon]

its carrying in the sense its almost mandatory i guess is the logic

but its still very arguable thats not the case

[candid crescent]

Psure you can run skyla for def up and still make it work

Tho I can't even confirm coz no MF support

[true lagoon]

ah yes skyla who does literally nothing for anabel

[shrewd marten]

I mean I can give it a try right now

It’s not Rolex cerena but if it’s truly so free I shouldn’t need it

[candid crescent]

It's cerena

She carries

Skyla can give def and potion you need

I can't see how it's not working

Unless you are going like 1/5 cerena

At that point it's just....all 3 1/5 MFs carrying each other

[shrewd marten]

3/5 duh

she cant do it at 1/54

that im confident in

rng/10

id need alot of flinches and potions for this

might be clearable but free? no way

doesnt show in screenshot for some reason but kriss is half hp and i have zero potions left so like

this clear requires probably a double flinch and 2-3 potion refresh

maybe more cuz cerena gotwoulve gotten low if not for le crit

im also just assuming the sidemons will not do any damage at all so theres that

point is, not free

[stone scarab]

NC Blue literally the second best support for the anabel fight btw

offensive debuffs, defensive buffs, Staggering 2, B Move, he can be a carry for sure

[crude marten]

red nc blue + any weather support can clear brw

maybe with few flinch rng

yeah blue is top tier in anabel but thats mainly because its where you can showcase his strong defensive points

[stone scarab]

I had a Cerena May NC Blue clear with bad RNG and a couple misplays like a week ago

[fast berry]

Yeah

Not sure how I'm gonna do Palmer

Don't have ash or nc hop