Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

[stone scarab]

yeah, issue is surviving to that point

thats almost a whole second sync cycle you would need to live through to get to that point

[valid raft]

Whomst?

[stone scarab]

you

[tawdry bone]

Which UB would be the easiest?
Here's My units 🔥

[stone scarab]

you need to live to get 4 syncs off to kill, thats not realistic in this fight

[north chasm]

move levels are really important

showing them all 1/5 wont help much

[valid raft]

That's the point of SS Mina's TM MPR

[north chasm]

but if you have champion leaf, thorton is extremely easy

[stone scarab]

you dont live even with the crit shield

again

[valid raft]

If you can show us their move levels, I think we can help more

[tawdry bone]

One second goat

[stone scarab]

PMUN boosted Giga Impact is killing you. Doesnt matter if it crits or not

[valid raft]

Again, Max Guard with Red

[stone scarab]

that is one use

[true lagoon]

thats just damage loss

[valid raft]

And SS Mina's B Move?

[stone scarab]

he doesnt stop getting PMUN or using the move

[true lagoon]

damage you cant afford to lose anyway

[stone scarab]

you are going to die

[valid raft]

Have you checked SST Red's damage above?

[north chasm]

damage guard next only halves damage of max moves

[spiral summit]

Giga Impact into Rock Slide

[true lagoon]

thats with 4 sync buffs wholly unrealistic

[stone scarab]

even if you manage to survive the rock slide im pretty sure he just goes back to using Giga Impact again

and by that point you have lost all your damage guard

[spiral summit]

Yes

[valid raft]

Not even with 2 support EX units?

[stone scarab]

thats a third sync with no sync acceleration to speak of

[final yacht]

is ColdKnightSky anyone from here

[valid raft]

I mean, your only source of sync acceleration is Red

[true lagoon]

how are you getting sst to sync

[stone scarab]

yes that is my point

[valid raft]

WDYM?

[stone scarab]

by the time youre using your third sync, Palmer has Synced, used Max Strike and has probably already queued Giga Impact

even if by some miracle you manage to survive to that

you are not getting a fourth

[spiral summit]

Only thing can denied enemy turn is killing side

[valid raft]

You still have Blue's B Move anyways

[stone scarab]

healing doesnt matter when giga impact is one shotting you

it doesnt need to crit to do that

[valid raft]

I told you I'm using Max Guard

[stone scarab]

again

[spiral summit]

Idt he can survive +4 PMUN Rock Slide

[valid raft]

Wait

[stone scarab]

you are out of damage guard by that point

[valid raft]

Oh you mean 2nd

Hmmmmm

[stone scarab]

this fight is just built differently to the average ultimate battle

playing defensive is not going to cut it

[random bronze]

legit wtf even is this

[stone scarab]

its a damage race

[spiral summit]

If you still survive after Max Strike and Max Guard your sup, you still die to Rock Slide after that

[valid raft]

Is that assumed the enemy is fully debuffed, your side fully buffed and with crit shield?

[spiral summit]

The team is NC Blue-SST Ref-SS Mina right ?

[valid raft]

Yeah

[spiral summit]

How can you debuff Def and Speed for Red ?

Enemy will just buff them

Red can’t debuff that fast

[valid raft]

Blue has defense debuff on sync in grid, enemy only has +2 speed throughout the entire fight. NC Blue and SS Mina have Defense Crush

[spiral summit]

Even NC Serena has trouble at debuff

[valid raft]

The only thing I don't know is how many TM MPR's on SS Mina you need

[tawdry bone]

Updated pic

[spiral summit]

Do you think that matter ?

Bc only post Sync is dangerous

And you only get like 3 turn to do something

[covert marlin]

with rats and zapdos, you can clear Thorton/ Darach/Palmer
Darach would be piece of cake

Thorton is the most annoying

[stone scarab]

you would probably need higher investment but you have the pieces for an Argenta clear

Adaman SS Acerola Mix Red

[final yacht]

lmao someone cleared with non-ex Rei

[valid raft]

SS Mina's TM gives crit shield

[velvet raven]

Which team should I use

For the new Palmer UB

[spiral summit]

And it only matter to eat Sync and Max Strike

[true lagoon]

bea wont have enough damage at all

[valid raft]

You saw my calcs above on SST Red's sync right?

[spiral summit]

Idt you can survive +4 Sync Buff Giga Impact

[true lagoon]

probably try the first but im not sure if that works without chase

[stone scarab]

again

[velvet raven]

I saw another clear use her so I wasn’t sure

[true lagoon]

with nc hop most likely

[stone scarab]

that requires living through the sync, the max strike and the post-sync giga impact to get the first sync off

[true lagoon]

double support bea isnt close to enough

[stone scarab]

and you need two of those

[velvet raven]

I got NC Hop too it’s just that he is 1/5

[spiral summit]

And you need really good DC2 Rng too

[true lagoon]

1/5 is iffy

[final yacht]

man

[true lagoon]

cuz i think you’re also nuking with him

[covert marlin]

rats is the easier team

[spiral summit]

[lunar sedge]

Oops all Reis!

[covert marlin]

basically you let Ash tank sync for +2 boost and nuke

[final yacht]

I'm keeping all 4 since none of them is strictly less investment than any other

[final yacht]

Oops all NC Rosa / NC Hop / Rei!*

[valid raft]

With 2 units having DC2, I'd say that's pretty good odds

[random bronze]

how can i increase the dmg output on this team

[stone scarab]

omg im famous

[random bronze]

im off by a little bit

[valid raft]

Against who?

[covert marlin]

Do you have other tanks like NC Rosa?

[random bronze]

palmer

[stone scarab]

a different support would be the best way to do it, SSA Cynthia isnt doing too much with that team

[random bronze]

nope sadly

[covert marlin]

does Red and Irida have weathered warrior 3?

[valid raft]

Probably an extremely dumb question, but does Piercing Blows ignore master passives?

I'm pretty sure it does, right?

[covert marlin]

it should ignore

[spiral summit]

Well you can test it

[tawdry bone]

Zapdos > chase?

[covert marlin]

zapdos is fine, better fail safe than Chase since he has better heall

[spiral summit]

Zapdos is better for survival, chase is more offensive

[low coral]

Have you checked the in-game replay?

[tawdry bone]

Oh!

[random bronze]

i put crit strike 2 on irida

[final yacht]

So many teams already

[random bronze]

that actually gets me more damage

[final yacht]

Yet it feels like only 5 units actually work

[valid raft]

What a shitter

[random bronze]

because i need yo ko the empoleon before it uses sp atk

[tawdry bone]

Shout out to the mix I guess

[low coral]

NC Red, Ash, Rei, Hop?

[valid raft]

That's 4

[spiral summit]

How many Rei ?
Yes

[stone scarab]

theres Gladion and Wally too

[final yacht]

Dunno man, at least 2 I think

2 that DON'T use EX rei

[stone scarab]

EXless Rei jumpscare omg

[spiral summit]

There is one imposter

[low coral]

Btw, does this count as dual Support + Rei?

[final yacht]

16/23 use rei

that's

ridiculous

[spiral summit]

Oh hey, maybe 17/24 now

[low coral]

I could do more Hop over Rei, but Rei's so much more fun

[valid raft]

BTW, when are you gonna post your SSA Cynthia/Rei/NC Rosa clear?

[spiral summit]

I didn’t record it

[valid raft]

Using a different team?

[final yacht]

The one that don't are using

• fairy team
• rats
• ice team
• hop

[spiral summit]

No, i just clear it for 300 gem

[valid raft]

I see

[valid raft]

Where unicorn?

[final yacht]

so the meta is Rei / Hop / Irida + NC Red / Ash + SST Red / SS Mina + SS Gladion + SS Wally

what unicorn

[valid raft]

SC Diantha

[spiral summit]

Let me do NC Rosa-Rei-SSA Cynthia real quick

[final yacht]

every team with diantha either has hop or rei

[random bronze]

im cooked none of my other supports would work 💀

[lunar sedge]

Neat a SSA/CHop/Riley clear
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/U2ZUi3CoAduAnvgT/?mibextid=oFDknk

[final yacht]

hop

currently best i can do is candy irida twice and do ssac irida ncred

and candy ncred once too

[low coral]

There was that ultra invested Water clear, but idt anyone recorded it or know who did it

[final yacht]

yeah i saw it

[valid raft]

Welp, anyways, Imma wait for NC Blue + SS Mina clear

[final yacht]

double frog + lyss

[low coral]

Everyone 5/5 with 70 energy grids

[valid raft]

Kanto and Kalos keeps on winning

[final yacht]

It's a job for @\Tai

[stone scarab]

i was almost gonna consider that but i think im gonna pass after all

[valid raft]

You know what'd be a really funny for Palmer?

Using Topsy-Turvy on him

[final yacht]

eh

[low coral]

Well, people did try that already

[lunar sedge]

Maybe we'll get an even stronger pair one day to make that gimmick actually possible to be brought 😶‍🌫️

[low coral]

This is as far as they went

[spiral summit]

[valid raft]

What move level is their SS Mina?

[low coral]

Must be 3/5 at least due to Fairy Kingdom

[final yacht]

Would someone with the units record this one ? unless 4/5 gloria is needed

[valid raft]

Must not have Sync Wall then

[low coral]

Bruh

No way you think they lasted until 4 sync countdown post-sync without crit shield

[low coral]

It shouldn't

Unless the extra BP from the dupe was necessary

Or two more energy

[final yacht]

that's a lot of people trying to beat Palmer

[covert marlin]

4/5 Gloria has +2 attack from Max, I assume they would use that doesn't look at their grid

[low coral]

That's 3/5

4/5 is Dashing Team 9 + Soften Up

[floral geode]

Meanwhile, I am just trying to beat Ethan EBE without having to EX someone JUST for that

[covert marlin]

yeah 4/5 is just soften up

[random bronze]

fuck palmer i get so close but i cant survive max move

[eternal yarrow]

these Ultimate Battles makes my FOMO on Master Fairs and ground-breaking PFs stronger. Maybe they will even release one where Anni-Steven would even be the MVP (like flying-weak enemy all using Aoe debuffs) lol

[distant estuary]

What the fuck why does none of the teams have bea

What does palmer have

[lunar sedge]

Stop that we don't need Looker/Hau EBE gimmick in UBs

[random bronze]

bea doesnt dish enough damage out

[stone scarab]

her setup is pretty slow and her damage isnt so good that it makes up for that

[lunar sedge]

Presync or die

[distant estuary]

☠️

[lunar sedge]

He has piercing blows and clutch critical

[distant estuary]

There goes my cheese plan, now I have to wait for a fighting masterfair...

[random bronze]

nah fr cause i get sooo close ffs

[distant estuary]

NC Silver felt tailormade for Darach, maybe there'll be one in June for palmer? (I do not have Rei)

[lunar sedge]

Do you have Rei?

[distant estuary]

feels like I'm out of luck...

[lunar sedge]

Also you can always rats + Zapdos

[random bronze]

darach is easy tho

[lunar sedge]

If you have them that is

[distant estuary]

I have them, so I can try that out

What does NRG mean though? Increased energy in sync grid ?

[hearty cedar]

Quad queuing when Regigigas is about to sync is sometimes unfair given how it doesnt even give us a chance to quad queue sometimes

[stone scarab]

if it isnt letting you quad queue its probably because a field effect expired right as your sync was about to go off

probably Ice Zone or Hail if i had to guess

[broken crag]

i recall seeing someone say you have to time bounce

to avoid the sides

[final yacht]

lmao

[floral geode]

Any ideas on how to improve my Ethan EBE team?

[broken crag]

found it

nvm msg links acting up

[stone scarab]

at some point youre either gonna have to EX your main damage dealer, or give up on the gems

[floral geode]

How about neither, though?

[stone scarab]

i dont think neither is an option

if it consistently isnt working for you like this, those are your options

[floral geode]

I mean, I heard someone claim that a non-EX'd Kris can win

That means it is possible, I just don't know how

[hearty cedar]

No, i timed them perfectly

[hearty cedar]

Get either geeta or nc.silver

Geeta can beat that stage with f2p units

[floral geode]

But I don't like Geeta

[broken crag]

you might as well get her for a MF field poison masterfair

[floral geode]

and I don't care enough for NC Silver to grab him over someone I actually want

[marble flume]

Please do not try and tell people to scout for Sync Pairs for EBEs

[spice basin]

We do not need to recommend pulling a unit

For an EBE

[floral geode]

Thank you, Arch and Cobalt

[hearty cedar]

Look at the units he have

[marble flume]

I fail to see why that's relevant

[final yacht]

spending gems to get less gems

🧠

[hearty cedar]

Ik we dont need to recommend pulling new units but sometimes its good to know

[marble flume]

It's 600 gems at most, you are losing 2400+ gems by scouting a pair specifically for an EBE

[spice basin]

It's good to know that the unit designed to beat the stage can beat the stage?

[hearty cedar]

Thats silver's ebe not geeta's

[stone scarab]

i fail to see how thats relevant

[hearty cedar]

I was just letting him know

[floral geode]

Yeah, and I don't care enough for NC Silver to grab him over someone I actually want

[stone scarab]

recommending pulling for a character to beat an event is never good advice

[lunar sedge]

With the same team?

[floral geode]

I don't know what the team was, actually

[lunar sedge]

Cus Kris here gotta take a while to set up

Bruh

[spice basin]

I'll be real with you, people claim a lot of things, so take them with a grain of salt if it's not direct, clear-cut advice to you

[stone scarab]

id also recommend just

[spice basin]

I have yet to see an accessible clear with a non EX Kris

[stone scarab]

check the pins, see if you can field any of the teams in the EBE clears doc

[floral geode]

I am trying to remember who made that claim so I can ask them what the team was

[lunar sedge]

I'm gonna assume the non ex clear claim most likely gets hard carried by another DPS

[final yacht]

maybe it was refering to ss kris too

[lunar sedge]

Or specific supports that let's her live long enough

[floral geode]

Rip, can't field ANY of the teams in the doc

[marble flume]

As much as I really don't wanna start this song and dance again, are you even going for anyone this month where that 300-600 gems is guaranteed to be the only way you reach 400 scout points before they leave?

[floral geode]

Even the most accessible one requires me to EX both Kris and BP Morty

[spice basin]

Well there's your answer

[inner heath]

the simplest way is to ex kris, she's still a great unit, can be used in many modes, I already said any invesment is good invesment, there will be contents where they can be used again, you gonna face these battles again in rally, also future johto ebe & battle challenges, look at units like OG Hau still doing great
you're playing the game for 2-3 years, at this point people can just ex whoever they want whenever they want to progress further, it's just for 1 unit, it's not going to harm your resources in the long run
I can't see a non ex kris clearing this at all, the rng will be too much for you, even with ex you still need rng to be on your side, unless your pair her with sskris but you don't have her
and for your earlier claim that you have another johto water (eusine) and he's better than kris, but he's not archie is also a worse dps than kris so I don't see how exing her is a bad invesment

[true lagoon]

that clear is also very rng cuz it relies on good flinches so you dont get slammed by charging sun 9 fire moves

[true lagoon]

yeah speaking from personal experience archie is hella washed

eusine 2/5 is not much better than archie

arguably worse cuz he needs someone else to rain

[north chasm]

you’re telling me palmer might do the rumbling

[candid crescent]

Cleared it, just had to replace my bracelet with pal candice one @low coral

Can do it with CS2 on red

[low coral]

Nice

[covert marlin]

finally got a Geeta, NC Silver and NC Hop clear
I knew it was possible

[jade marsh]

So close 😭

SP 3 or 150 Rei should do it

[hearty cedar]

Nice ||now do it with victini if possible||

[hearty cedar]

Can you save adaman's bmove till the sides go down?

[jade marsh]

No

You need it to debuff

It’s 1/5 Rei

[hearty cedar]

Use enfeeble 2

[jade marsh]

You don’t get sun then

[hearty cedar]

Are you gonna nuke with adaman?

[jade marsh]

Yes

It’s 1/5 rei

[hearty cedar]

1/5 rei has innate inertia

[jade marsh]

I know

[hearty cedar]

Grid only has brawn sync 5 for the nuke

[jade marsh]

And it isn’t enough

[stone scarab]

youre comparing that to Adaman nuke

[hearty cedar]

Ooh

[jade marsh]

Adaman nuked more than him there

So shifting to rei would only make me need more damage

[hearty cedar]

Ik, I'm trying to see if I can shuffle few syncs

Ssac -> adaman -> rei like that

[jade marsh]

Nah

That would do less damage than adaman x2

[dim lance]

Finally my misery is over

I had to candy and cake Red

To get rid of the rest

But oh well

[covert marlin]

try using SS Acerola instead of Cynth?

[hearty cedar]

Pretty sure this is a new team. Gratz

[jade marsh]

I could try full grass

[dim lance]

It's not

[low coral]

That's Thorton

[dim lance]

Just that my sst red is only 1/5

[low coral]

Not Palmer

[dim lance]

Unlike the 3/5ers

[hearty cedar]

Oh i mistook it for palmer

[hearty cedar]

Then what will you do for sides

[jade marsh]

I’ll see

I’ve already cleared i’m trying to find new clears

[hearty cedar]

Do you have mix red?

[jade marsh]

No

[low coral]

For this battle specifically, Victor or Sonia may be better than Mix Red

[peak mist]

Is Palmer sync surecrit or something?

Or am I being really unlucky with Bea being crit every time?

[low coral]

Palmer has Clutch Critical

[stone scarab]

his entire battle is guaranteed crit

[peak mist]

Bleh. And vigilance doesn’t stop the crit so how’s Bea supposed to live

[stone scarab]

yeah thats the whole point of the fight

you dont

[valid raft]

You don't, this fight defines the phrase "brute force"

Unless you do what I said and use NC Blue + SS Mina

[spiral summit]

@valid raft

I love the voice when speed up

[sour elk]

Still surprised that Rei can clear with 2 supp

[fathom salmon]

I used this team, too! Your fight was much, much cleaner than mine, though.

[hearty cedar]

Ppl have cleared this ub with rosa, bea and hop but surprisingly no one used buzzma yet

[hearty cedar]

Isnt that ss roxie's theme

[peak mist]

Riley’s nuke not strong enough

Gets to half hp on him then dies

I don’t see how I’m gonna do this if my best syncs aren’t getting him below half health

[final yacht]

If riley works it sure isn't with double support lol

[peak mist]

I was trying to do triple sprint sync there to see how big the nuke would be. It’s disappointing

[covert marlin]

Riley only works as a sprinter, secondary dps at best

[stone scarab]

Yeah he's not gonna be a sole DPS

Your only reasonable sole DPSes for this fight are like, NC Hop and Rei

[lapis flint]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAIGNqJGueo

Didn't see a Dojo Gloria clear yet. As a 5/5 owner, I fixed that

[final yacht]

dojo gloria clear more like hop clear with a 2nd dps lol

[onyx cedar]

hop is 1/5 tho

both MFs are 1/5

[peak mist]

you guys got any ideas since frogs (cerena nuke) + sstred (debuffs) got me nowhere?

not having chop or rei sucks

https://tenor.com/view/gon-freecss-wondering-thinking-gif-13705323

ive thought bout using geeta for pure debuff spam but if red didnt help cerena get the stats low enough, idt geeta would either. and geeta and sstred conflict statuses.

[hearty cedar]

You'll need a tech nuker if you are using riley

[peak mist]

i dont own any tech fighting nukes idt so its kinda a dead end i think atp

[broken crag]

when in doubt use rats

[true lagoon]

if you’d be willing to 3/5 nc red irida nc red can do it

[true lagoon]

wont work without chase

[broken crag]

i didnt use chase

i used nc blue

[peak mist]

im not gonna use my strike candy till i finish pulling nc silver and play around with him

[peak mist]

i dont have ash

[true lagoon]

well they dont have ash anyway i just noticed so

[peak mist]

so unless theres a sstred+ncblue+1 that wont help

[high shale]

How to beat Palmer

[hearty cedar]

Wow. Simply wow. This could have saved me all the time I wasted trying to quad queue with rosa

I'm sad my fire team wont be able to beat this stage while the ice and electric teams can

[covert marlin]

how close is NCerena nuke? is she cake?

[peak mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009557516369281075/1215935760172056596/IMG_3628.png?ex=65fe8f6c&is=65ec1a6c&hm=46dc17a7a4bf048392cc64ea3726c6fad4f272711e1663e3b769bb238ea092db& not even close

[spiral summit]

When you learn it, it very consistent because it is just a double quad queue

[final yacht]

serena calem lyss cleared

[spiral summit]

That team is very expensive right ?

[hearty cedar]

It is

5/5 ss lysandre

[spiral summit]

I heard that all use 70 Energy

[hearty cedar]

I can quad queue almost every unit except nc rosa lol. It took me like 18 tries for 3 quad queues(i tried to do it with different teams)

[covert marlin]

is that already under rain nuke?

[hearty cedar]

Lysandre does. But serena and calem are fine with 60 energy iirc

[covert marlin]

just use adrenaline for Rosa
screw her quad queue

[peak mist]

yea the second terrain eff was an expiring rain

[hearty cedar]

That's what I did. Replaced ww3 on nc.red for hs1

[tawdry bone]

Cooking or cooked?

[true lagoon]

thats literally the team everyone uses

[stone scarab]

literally just my team in the doc

[tawdry bone]

I briefly remembered it 🗣

[humble gyro]

this battle uses so much NG

[humble gyro]

140 1/5 Rei can handle it?

[final yacht]

yes

[high shale]

I don’t have rei, how can I beat Palmer, it’s max move always kills even with no normal zone -6 attack

[lunar sedge]

There's a 3/5 Chop

It's manageable

[high shale]

How

Is it even possible without rei

[lunar sedge]

Yes

[high shale]

How

[lunar sedge]

Pairs that have sync acceleration

Either sprint ex or passives

[peak mist]

do you have nc rosa? iirc pins had a rosa, riley, hop team

[hearty cedar]

You literally won before you even started

[high shale]

I do

[peak mist]

check the pinned doc then

should be a team u can copy + vids to follow

[tawdry bone]

Sync rosa first?

[lunar sedge]

Is your NC Hop 3/5?

He absolutely needs the multiplier

[hearty cedar]

If you have rosa and 3/5 nc.hop then you can use riley as your budget option

Keldeo works too

Riley is a budget option while keldeo is an older unit that you may have

[modest orchid]

I know they’re all horribly difficult, but which is the most forgiving UB?

[lunar sedge]

Rosa don't need the 3/5 btw

[hearty cedar]

Darach

And argenta

Heck, I'd say its argenta

[lunar sedge]

Mine is 1/5 and she helps out just fine

[humble gyro]

this is stupid

always get OHKO by the sync move

[hearty cedar]

Offtyping is somehow easier than non rei runs

[modest orchid]

Most Argenta runs use SS Acerola, is that a req or just strongly recommended?

Or am I getting em mixed up

[high shale]

Here’s the problem, my hop isn’t 3/5

[hearty cedar]

She is not required at all

In fact, bulky supports like ssac, ss morty, nc.blue are kinda better

But they come with their own challenges

[lunar sedge]

Then you either have to consider using off type teams or invest your NC Hop

[hearty cedar]

Ss morty + oleana can stall out argenta if necessary

[high shale]

And like everything there is either rei or 3/5 of stuff I don’t have 3/5

[hearty cedar]

Can you do offtype then?

[high shale]

And candy coins are very scarce nowadays

[high shale]

No, I don’t have chase

[modest orchid]

Thank you for your guidance, I’m gonna make it a mid term goal to beat Argenta

[hearty cedar]

3/5 ss wally + 3/5 ss gladion + 5/5 ss mina works and i think this team can work even if mina is at 3/5

[high shale]

Don’t have 5/5 mina, only 1/5 gladion and Mina, and I don’t have Wally

[modest orchid]

I have 2/5 Mix Red and 3/5 SS Morty I’ll look up some more runs to see what I should expect

[hearty cedar]

Do you have any 4yr anni birds?

[high shale]

And again, candies are really hard to get now

[modest orchid]

Red

[hearty cedar]

More than enough

Have irida?

[modest orchid]

Nope unfortunately I wasn’t playing when she released

[hearty cedar]

What about nc.blue?

[valid raft]

I actually got it, but I'm not gonna complete it yet

[modest orchid]

No I only got on 4th anni because I love Articuno and didn’t wanna miss it, I didn’t have gems for Blue too

[hearty cedar]

Zygarde?

[modest orchid]

Yes

[hearty cedar]

Ok

[modest orchid]

Should I EX role Zygarde

[hearty cedar]

Morty, nc.red, zygarde time

Sunny day when you start the battle

When argenta gets down to yellow hp, use sunny day and she'll get rid of the rebuffs from nc red

This can be taken care of in 2 forms. Either spam zerena sync until argenta reaches yellow hp and then use red's sync (or) spam red's sync and when argenta's hp becomes yellow then use zerena's 1000 waves before using red's moves and sync moves every turn

[hearty cedar]

Your wish

[modest orchid]

My red is 1/3, does that make it impossible?

1/5*

I really love the bird so I’m not opposed to using candy on it

[hearty cedar]

You'll need max investment on that bird for that team to work(3/5 exr)

[fading walrus]

Man I'm so pissed, for some reason Palmer can queue after empoleons buffs even if I'm queueing up a sync?

Why's that a thing

[hearty cedar]

Exactly

It messed up so many of my runs

I was gauging my 2/5 ss wally, 3/5 ss gladion and 3/5 penny

[fading walrus]

Why can he do that tho

So annoying

[hearty cedar]

Ik that 3/5 wally is required but it was just an experiment but then palmer just syncs up immediately

[hearty cedar]

He hacking the game

[cosmic token]

I just need to take time away from him. Grind some orbs back up and kick his ass later.

[fading walrus]

I already beat him

I'm just trying to get a cleaner W for the submission

[modest orchid]

Does it need to set the hail or just a standard DPS grid?

[tawdry bone]

Tried twice

Lost twice

I suck

[cosmic token]

Nice

[shrewd marten]

Empoleons buff timing is so fucky

I kinda hate it

[plush gale]

More like She ain't gonna cut it 🥲

[true lagoon]

like son like father

impatient as fuck

[velvet raven]

Bro didn’t even get a chance to sync

[shrewd marten]

Well it is rats

More specifically it’s ash

He’s by far the best in this fight imo

[velvet raven]

Fr

[true lagoon]

hows he better than rei

[shrewd marten]

B go brr

[cosmic token]

I can't even get these 3 to work.
What are their Potentials, Grids + expansions? and gears?

[velvet raven]

I used the team in pins, follow the video. It’s very precise

Also I did use skill gears but nothing insane

[cosmic token]

Thanks

[velvet raven]

One thing which made it easier though is right after Red syncs use his max move instead of his regular move though it shouldn’t matter too much

[cosmic token]

Okay

[velvet raven]

Also NC Blue doesn’t “need” CS2 on the document

Mind games 2 works better imo

[humble gyro]

Who’s syncing? Red?

[cosmic token]

Thanks

[velvet raven]

I synced with NC blue, then red, then ash

[humble gyro]

Kk

[velvet raven]

Use red’s sync to set up electric terrain

Since when he syncs the terrain will most likely not be active

[humble gyro]

Wow the max move destroyed me

OHKO everyone

All the rats

[velvet raven]

Yeah it’s insane

[humble gyro]

How do you kill the guy before the max move?

[fading walrus]

Hard focus

Mix of spread DPS + high ST Nuke

[final yacht]

@spiral summit you sure about these grids

[fading walrus]

Welp I guess I'll have to accept

That I can't get EVERY quad queue

And one unit will die at the end

Zzzz

I could've optioned but I wanted to avoid flinch on hop

So I buffed Geeta up

To guarantee double spin into poison was a W

Did I really include the previous fight

Welp guess I'm reediting that

[low coral]

Nah, Rei > NC Hop > NC Red > Ash > SS Gladion

[shrewd marten]

Ss gladion on the list is kinda crazy

But also I was more judging in like

Just in general ish

Cuz ash can cheat far more damage than he should

Rei is just a fair fighter

(He’s a lot better than I’m making him sound lmfao )

[sour elk]

where would SC Diantha fit in that list?

[final yacht]

low

she can only be used as a 2nd dps

[shrewd marten]

Also I realize

Rei is alot better for me

Cuz ncleaf is physical moves

Kek

[sour elk]

https://youtu.be/XpoQ34U-Mpg?si=i2KzMFZVdRyVM5tc

[final yacht]

still waiting for someone to clear with units i have lol

[shrewd marten]

you got ncrosa and rei and ncleaf?

im working on it

[final yacht]

if i had rei i would already be done

[shrewd marten]

that is fair

most people arent insane like me

(rei is still 1/5)

[sour elk]

I finally recorded a cleaner vid but the quality is bad haha

[shrewd marten]

but wot do you have

[final yacht]

my fighting roster isn't good since sc diantha carried me from day 1 of playing

[shrewd marten]

you have rosa and diantha?

[final yacht]

yeah

[shrewd marten]

thonk

i cant replicate cuz my diantha 1/5 hm

[sour elk]

But SC Diantha came in clutch, 220K sync and 30K dps with secret sword

[shrewd marten]

[velvet raven]

Does SC Diantha or NC Hop do more dmg

[fading walrus]

30k DPS is really low

[shrewd marten]

thats actually a crazy statement

[final yacht]

So far all clears i've seen require either

• Rei
• NC Hop
• Frogs + Lyss
• 3rd anni Rats
• Irida + NC Red
• That one very specific fairy team
• Geeta with specific partners

I've got none of that

or well, not at high enough move level for the ones i do

[shrewd marten]

youre missing so many specific good things

youre probably gonna need to frankenstein clear it

[final yacht]

i have 1/5 irida, 2/5 ncred and 1/5 lyss

[shrewd marten]

im doing it with rei ncleaf for now

because i have problems

[velvet raven]

Has anyone tried using a crit defense pair for the max move

[shrewd marten]

i think im close to actually doing it

[velvet raven]

Like Jasmine and steelix

[fading walrus]

SS Gladion + SS mina

Yes

[velvet raven]

Ah

[fading walrus]

Any other option won't cut it

[velvet raven]

Forgot she does that

Mines 1/5

[shrewd marten]

think sslgadion still carries

[velvet raven]

Too many of my supports are 1/5 but oh well

[peak mist]

wait there’s an ss gladion clear…? I wonder if I can Frankenstein something together with him then…

Hmmm…

[final yacht]

spoiler no you can't

[peak mist]

Oof.

[final yacht]

requires 5/5 wally and mina

[shrewd marten]

i think gladion needs sswally

why 5/5 doh

[peak mist]

What’s the Geeta clear?

Who she need

[shrewd marten]

probably roxie and firends lol

[final yacht]

no

there's this one

[shrewd marten]

thatas crazy

[peak mist]

Chop being there kills it for me rip

[final yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009557516369281075/1216000548277456997/Screenshot_20240309-093141390_1.jpg?ex=65fecbc2&is=65ec56c2&hm=c3621016b27e67128d53e256dd0fb28a42f70a1bfc2c0492fb7a4cf297b95d09&

and this one

[peak mist]

WHAT

Must know the Gloria grid

[shrewd marten]

4/5

awoo

[final yacht]

mina doesn't require 5/5 actually

[peak mist]

Replicatable clear spotted if 4/5 tiles not needed

[final yacht]

but wally does

[vale pivot]

Is Gloria alt fighting type good?

[peak mist]

-2 rebuff is silly shit

[shrewd marten]

y

[gentle wharf]

1/5 doesn’t have the same kick

[final yacht]

big nuke, head start and zone extension

[gentle wharf]

Also that clear needs ridiculously fine timing with Bounce to dodge the Snorlax

[vale pivot]

Nothing I try makes that regigas faint

[peak mist]

Do we know the Gloria grid here I don’t see it ingame

[final yacht]

no

[peak mist]

[final yacht]

but if i were to guess, something like that

[small basin]

couldnt someone with gloria just copy the grid

[final yacht]

maybe power reserve

[peak mist]

gloralt ssac riley got to half hp... with a 1/5 gloralt... hm. im just at the "random bullshit go" stage of trying shit but my phones lagging like hell rn so i think i gotta let it cool off

[ebon matrix]

This was quite challenging, I am saving my two sprint candies for a future MF so I could not 3/5 Rai and making it work was quite hard

[peak mist]

question, if im using riley to rush syncs as well as nuke, is it better to have him use max move at start for countdown + quad queue, or use it after his sync for super syncer...

[shrewd marten]

i

cant

wuad

1queue

with 100% accuracy

i want

to die

ITS SO FUCKING CLOSE

BUT I

OSDFIJSDOJOISD

[peak mist]

ive gotten decent at quad queueing off cynthia and riley syncs so far

but the audio glitching out is really killing my mind

[shrewd marten]

its not that i cant quad queue its that it MUST happen at certain intervals

it MUST happen

and i REALLY want relic nostolgia to hit exactly attack buff

so when i get that but not the quad queue

or vice verse

death

[peak mist]

haha, the wonders of +4 atk > +6 atk...

[ebon matrix]

Yeah, queing Rosa is so annoying tbh

[peak mist]

teams that need that are the worst to work with imo

[shrewd marten]

its not rosa

because i need to use adrenaline

cuz bla blabla

basically its rei

and hes 1/5

i will not acndy cuz loss aversion

[peak mist]

you can technically quad queue rosa sync with tm, but i hear the timing is weird

[shrewd marten]

so i am instead suffering

i give her adrenaline

dont care

kek

[peak mist]

same, lol.

hell, my cynthia has hs1 AND adrenaline for diff builds

[ebon matrix]

What team are you using? Because if you have CHop as well, my team was exactly that and if you cake Rei it’s quite easy to do

[peak mist]

i just like having adrenaline there on units that i dont wanna fuck around with quad queue with

its interesting that you can use rileys max move to turn a 2 turn sync into a 1 turn sync, btw. i find that VERY interesting.

to a point where im tempted to grab adren on riley too so he can do it off his own sync

[ebon matrix]

I wasted a lot of time trying out different compositions, but once I narrowed it down, I managed to get it at my second try

[shrewd marten]

no

im not doing it the right way

im doing it the ncleaf way

[slate light]

[shrewd marten]

i can probably do it with like rei ssac riley

but

no

[shrewd marten]

honestly i expected this clear to work

whoever said that it had 2 supports got jokerd on

[slate light]

plot twist, rei is 1/5

[shrewd marten]

is he fr?

[slate light]

yes

[shrewd marten]

damn

holy crap thats good

1/5 rei is truly the carry of all time i take it all back

[peak mist]

its starting to feel like i might not clear this till i get silver but uh

im in a catch 22 here on that

[slate light]

i had to pull out all the stops to make it work

but 1/5 rei can do it

[peak mist]

cause theres a chance i might MISS silver without these gems

[shrewd marten]

well i think i can definitely do it

but

no im doing ncleaf

i am stubborn

[ebon matrix]

Way too hard, I gave up after like 5 attempts with that team

[shrewd marten]

and in pai

[slate light]

it needs HS1 on cynthia and rosa, sp3 on rei, some skill gear, good inputs and a little hope

[shrewd marten]

oh superpowered

ur so right

[ebon matrix]

Damn, that’s the guu right there

[peak mist]

my next multi comes on the 11th, so if i cant do it with my current box i have another chance then. cause im just rolling down on silver till i get him, even if it comes down to paid gems on the final day.

[ebon matrix]

People use silver?

[peak mist]

i might be able to triple dps successfully with him, theoretically.

got some theoretical teams i could try with him

[shrewd marten]

tkoptsdraufj

]ioUSDFJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ
I AM

[ebon matrix]

I guess he’s a sprint as well

[slate light]

[shrewd marten]

i lost it ok

[peak mist]

palmer fight really shines light on sprints

[shrewd marten]

HURGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[slate light]

Sprints >>>> F*eld

[shrewd marten]

ok you know what

treeko youre so smart

im gonna copy you

super powered 3 on rei

fuck it

[slate light]

thank u

want the grids for the ladies too?

[shrewd marten]

im doing it with ncleaf

[slate light]

or well, just rosa in that attempt

[shrewd marten]

this is crit 2 rei

its beatable

and like

i really want stoic

but like

the chance for a tm refresh in ode to glory

is too spicy

so im relying on relic nostolgia rng

[slate light]

true enough lmao, the tile that gives another stack of pmun helped out though i did get a cheeky Ode refresh

[shrewd marten]

i do have that as well

[ebon matrix]

Can Fireblitz kill the side empoleon? May be easier that way, gives you plenty of time

[shrewd marten]

oh wait i have an idea

i can get rid of teeter dance refresh

and get team stoic

[ebon matrix]

You probably still die to sink

[stone scarab]

Forgive me if im wrong but isnt stoic kinda unhelpful

[shrewd marten]

i do not

no

because rosa survives

just barely

[stone scarab]

Guaranteed crit + crits bypass defense buffs

[shrewd marten]

and i cannot afford to use potions

wait what?

he bypasses defense buffs?

[stone scarab]

Yes

[shrewd marten]

then why do i die only sometimes

[slate light]

crits do, yeah

[stone scarab]

Damage roll

[peak mist]

i have a dumb question guys

[shrewd marten]

so

[ebon matrix]

Rolls

[shrewd marten]

its damage roll dependent

lovely

[peak mist]

does jasmine make the max move and sync livable? og jasmine

she was crit def field right

[stone scarab]

She can help you survive them

You do not survive them meaningfully

[fading walrus]

But she offers nothing else

[shrewd marten]

alright then gotcha

will take off stooic and just pray to the lords above

[slate light]

tough cookie ssa dps was

interesting

[shrewd marten]

kek

but also does attack debuff work

cuz attack debuff doesnt work in msg

[fossil fjord]

no

[stone scarab]

Only to a certain point

[peak mist]

so even if i did ncblue, sstred, jasmine, i would still not live much longer?

[shrewd marten]

wudyua mean certain point

[stone scarab]

Dropping his already boosted attack is meaningful

Dropping it below base is not

[shrewd marten]

ah i see

[slate light]

targets maxed is a very effective, uh

clean up tool

[fossil fjord]

crit also bypasses debuffs tho

[stone scarab]

That is my point

[fossil fjord]

Or is masters different?

[shrewd marten]

ok well since he buffs his attack to +4 ish

or is it 5

[fading walrus]

You need to neuter his buffs

[shrewd marten]

it is worthwhile

[stone scarab]

But if you debuff a boosted attack stat that debuff isn't ignored

[shrewd marten]

ncrosa

drop his attack

i belive in you

[fossil fjord]

Ah ok removing his buffs

[fading walrus]

Geeta unironically pretty good with all her debuffs

[peak mist]

ok, new plan: sstred, ncblue, and add cerena for debuffing shenanigans.

[fading walrus]

-3 RNG debuffs and -3 def on buddy

While also dealing bonkers damage AoE

[broken crag]

rats for lucy next month

run immunity on all

[peak mist]

zygarde gonna almost solo lucy

[broken crag]

[slate light]

if i can bs palmer today

i'm sure i can bs lucy too

[fading walrus]

Lucy is free

[broken crag]

seems like upcoming seasonal adaman is designed for lucy

[fading walrus]

She's squishy as hell

[peak mist]

yea lucys gonna be free gems

[fading walrus]

Not really

[peak mist]

adaman isnt needed at all

[fading walrus]

No speed debuffs

[broken crag]

[peak mist]

when a like 2 year old unit is gonna be able to dismantle lucy

[fading walrus]

Courtney fucking demolishes Lucy

[slate light]

courtney/maxie/ss ace god comp inc?

[fading walrus]

Lol

[broken crag]

oh sht less than 400k hp

[peak mist]

i honestly am not gonna be surprised if courtney + zygarde duos the stage

[cosmic token]

This was one idea I had for when Lucy comes.

[peak mist]

[shrewd marten]

bro i want to kill sopmeone

[slate light]

maybe lucy battle will coincide with her ex upgrade

[shrewd marten]

i got ncleaf didnt crit her sync

and i got perfect queue

[broken crag]

whats lyras function?

[shrewd marten]

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[cosmic token]

Rebuff and Potions.

[slate light]

rebuff and quicker buffs for zerena i think

[marble flume]

UBs have been designed around 2+ pairs in the past, it's reasonable to say SC Adaman is one of the pairs the fight is designed for

[broken crag]

wait she has ground rebuff?

[slate light]

does sc lyra buff crit?

[broken crag]

hmm might pull

[shrewd marten]

isnt adaman literally just i will smack you with big damage

oh \

[peak mist]

ground rebuff isnt needed at all for lucy

[shrewd marten]

tecvhnically he burns himself

so antitoxin is unnecessary

[broken crag]

still would be useful outside ub

[shrewd marten]

thats how he counters lucy

[slate light]

unnecessary perhaps but funny

[peak mist]

shes free even in rallys boosted shit

i swear if this works though for palmer fight im gonna be screaming in here when im done

over the fact i didnt try this sooner

How did reds sync not do more on -6 def -6 speed -2 rebuff excuse me what

now im just bamboozled

[shrewd marten]

has anyone done it with rei riley rosa yet

[peak mist]

i think thats like the first team in the pins.

[low coral]

[shrewd marten]

figures

[shrewd marten]

YO SSN THATS HYPE

[fading walrus]

Goddamn

[low coral]

I didn't win

[shrewd marten]

youre damn close tho

i believe

[fading walrus]

Man I really wish I could buy a new phone

[low coral]

Yeah, that's like

[fading walrus]

All this irida action

I'm missing

[low coral]

5/5 Red + 5/5 Irida would win just out of more dupes, not even grid energy lol

[shrewd marten]

sidenote

why is ncblue s tier

i feel like hes just not

hes only good in ONE team

and it more says about the rat cuz all he do is rebuff

[vivid elbow]

Can Ethan Part 2 be beat with only Geeta and no other MFs that are boosted?

[velvet raven]

Flinches + debuff + special attackers

[shrewd marten]

nice flinch on palmer

[peak mist]

pretty sure yeah, SE9 rockslide is goated

[low coral]

The person doing the matchup chart mostly sees if a unit can clear or not, idt it really says much about the actual matchup

[velvet raven]

Oh I thought you meant in general

Yeah Palmer no flinch

[shrewd marten]

bro of course i know hes good just in general

[vivid elbow]

SE9?

[shrewd marten]

how come ash is A for 90% of them then?

he cleare everything already didnt he?

[low coral]

Idk, Zerena is S vs Thorton and Tbolt Red + Ash is A

[shrewd marten]

wait

guys

irida is c on darach

i feel like

thats a problem

KEK

[vivid elbow]

Apparently I need to candy her then

[peak mist]

https://tenor.com/view/warlock-fireball-dungeons-and-dragons-dnd-bart-gif-22745924

[shrewd marten]

rating is just arbitrary i suppose

[low coral]

Idt you really need SDE9 on Geeta for that EBE

But it def would make it trivial

[shrewd marten]

genuinely like why would irida not just have the exact same rating as ncred for everything that isnt thorton

tho ive seen a clear for irida in thorton so kek there

[low coral]

Oh, really? I'm actually curious to see that one

[vivid elbow]

Is there a way I could create a team with Geeta using these sync pairs to beat Ethan 2 or any other suggestions?

[low coral]

Is it using SS Silver or something?

[shrewd marten]

it used elaine

but you know

replay glitch

[low coral]

And who's the third?

[shrewd marten]

ncred

they get like4 or 5 sync buffs before thorton gets a chance to sync

and then it lags out every time

[low coral]

Oh, it might not have been a win then lol since some replay glitches were a loss

[shrewd marten]

so im just sad

oh really?

[low coral]

But I think I remember that and it looked like they could win

[shrewd marten]

i think so as well

but we'll never know

thanks dena form aking a broken replay button

[low coral]

But yeah, Irida should've been an easy S for most stages except for Thorton while Red just S everything

[shrewd marten]

cant find the clear with simple google search

sadge

moral of the story is rating is useless

[low coral]

Also, dang, someone was cooking on Thorton

[true lagoon]

how does this even clear

restrain doesnt get cleared immediately?

surprised nc silver has enough to finish him off

[shrewd marten]

ALRIGHT

GOT IT

I AM FREE FROM MY OWN PRISON

She has now cleared every UB have a nice day

unironically though she isnt bad in this team at all 100k damage on her sync move and can reduce the defense very hard thanks to rei

[true lagoon]

someone already did this

like

10 hours ago

[shrewd marten]

then im just late

[true lagoon]

just a little

[shrewd marten]

damn me for actually sleeping

but also wheres it in the doc

oh i found it

i have mild blind

[low coral]

Silver actually missed the crit on his 8 Sync Buff Sync Move

But it did work

[shrewd marten]

it is 8 sync buff so

[true lagoon]

wow

[fading walrus]

#not even close

[shrewd marten]

oh actually our clears were different

they used chop i used 1/5 rei

therefore im still sending it

[true lagoon]

its barely any different

at most shes just acting as a secondary debuffer/dps

[vivid elbow]

I am free from Ethan Part 2

[random bronze]

no way

[crude marten]

did they do it post second sync?

[true lagoon]

he has +2 crit

so probably

elaine cracked fr fr

[crude marten]

did elaine have anti crit

[true lagoon]

shes 5/5

so yeah

still thats cool

[crude marten]

oooh that makes sense

yup

[low coral]

Yes

That's when Zerena fell

[shrewd marten]

Erm

Why’s doing it with rei and Riley harder

Is all the clears want 3/5?

[crude marten]

very impressive clear

elaine is built different

[low coral]

https://youtu.be/ZirycOlToJ4?si=3JyarQx2ChGWq8ZZ how many syncs do you guys want?

[true lagoon]

37

[peak mist]

...huh.
this makes me wonder if redlax + riley + (MF) would work for me... do yall think thatd have a chance at all?

[floral crypt]

NC Rosa Riley Redlax maybe...

Oh wait, the only Riley clear needs both Fighting Rebuff and Zone.

[peak mist]

well, i know sstred and ncerena both have failed me so far

[stable tundra]

Finally a team i can replicate

[peak mist]

the fact i dont have dupes on ncred prob really is hurting my chances at this

[low coral]

I had put that into the in-game replays for a while, Gakon

Yeah, NC Red with dupes is pretty great at carrying any UB

[crude marten]

this stage is 100% made for rei

[stable tundra]

I just woke up, i know nothing of this

[peak mist]

i used my 1/5 red on argenta, but i dont think i can do that in palmer land.

[low coral]

The gap in Sync from non-gridded Red and gridded is too big

Especially if he's cakeless as well

[floral crypt]

In other news I did 1/5 SC Steven 3/5 EXR SSA Cynthia and 4/5 EX Rei after an hour

No cake on Rei (still waiting to 5/5 him for the Latias solo steal)

[crude marten]

any other working comps besides electric ice fairy and water

[peak mist]

i assume theres not a world where psychic takes control of the fight... but i might try it for sake of seeing what happens...

yea that went nowhere

[shrewd marten]

How do you put things in the replay intentionally

[peak mist]

you dont, limited slots

best bet is being in the first batch i think

no clue what criteria it uses to bump people out tho

[shrewd marten]

Hm

On a unrelated note adaman ssacer and rei works

It just probably needs insult to injury

Which I lack

[crude marten]

well rei is a big carry here

[shrewd marten]

He do

But unlike other ubs I don’t think you can say you just need a bot for the third slot

[peak mist]

rei + ssac/chop/ncrosa +1 dps is generally a win from what it seems, to some degree

[crude marten]

he opens up a flexible options for sure

[shrewd marten]

Like how annabel can be done with basically a countdown bot

When cerena and kriss

The third needs to be something powerful

also mine is 1/5

[low coral]

You don't, the game has been putting tons of replays of mine the last few months tho

[stable tundra]

Is the latest clear alway pushed to the most bottom of replay? Because i haven't seen any talk of Penny here

[shrewd marten]

I wish I could be like you

[low coral]

On Palmer himself I got three replays in, although two of them got replaced by a same comp, more dupes version

[shrewd marten]

Ohhhh more dupes

I’m never getting on then lmfao

Dena promoting more dupes that’s crazy

[stable tundra]

Also the NC Rosa NC Red Irida comp banking on 2 TM MPR1 proc from Rosa is wild