Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

[final yacht]

There was a frog team earlier too

dk if it's still here

with 5/5 lyssandre

[broken crag]

is there some grids to change? cuz im getting my ass kicked by the sides

im running vigiliance on rosa (gonna switch to HS) cs2 on the rest

[rotund oasis]

Tai gonna be like "GIVE!"

[slow sky]

think need heavy investment iirc

so maybe need those 100k grid expansion

[gentle wharf]

WAIT WHAT

FINALLY

A TEAM I CAN USE

[low coral]

Well, it's a quite hard team

[uncut saffron]

[gentle wharf]

I forgot GloriAlt2 has a fighting move LMAO

[low coral]

You'll need to time Bounce later on

As you'll use Fighting Gloria, but use Bounce to dodge multiple moves from Snorlax

[gentle wharf]

Well as long as there’s hope really

Oh that is a terrible time lol

[earnest panther]

Brb. I'm cooking rn.

[warm haven]

Is there a pf only clear?

[valid raft]

Depends, but if you're gonna use Adrenaline on Rosa, then your damage dealer must have HS1

[final yacht]

there's a no-mf team

[valid raft]

If you can quadqueue Rosa's TM, then you don't need Adrenaline on her

[broken crag]

didnt work out quadqueing

[slow sky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmkXpVoQ5vo
This was my run, took me a lot of resets cos Hop refused to frigging crit on me on like 4 of the battles when I managed to do perfect quad queues

[broken crag]

so im thinking off ad 1

i got 2 strikers tho

its the side thats mainly cheesing me as i cant kill them off after i focus palmer

[slow sky]

NC Hop: SP 3
SC Diantha: HS 1
NC Rosa: HS 1
their LS

due to how shit this UB was, had to switch Hop's LS for max dmg output

normally I dont even bother

[floral geode]

Man, I still can't beat Ethan EBE

[rotund oasis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2Buf1l28Qg&lc=Ugzt2VnfW2l5e7pg9bt4AaABAg oh oky. this guy has gridss as well 😮

[final yacht]

i mean

[rotund oasis]

i had a different grid setup though ;-;

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=000002002500&s0=3&l0=140&r0=5&p0=0&a0=13010602&t0=11111&g0=AAECAwQFBggKDA8QHSAjJCYoKw&v1=026400002500&s1=3&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=13010602&t1=44444&g1=AAECAwQFBgkKCwwOERQVFhclJigrLC0&v2=002103014500&s2=3&l2=150&r2=6&p2=0&a2=15010301&t2=44444&g2=AAECAwQFCw0aHCYoKissLS4v

[final yacht]

yours is more expensive on orbs lol

[rotund oasis]

i guess

[broken crag]

whats the +2 NRG

[rotund oasis]

his NC Blue is -6

[final yacht]

energy cap raised by 2

[rotund oasis]

and his Ash wasn't fully grid

[broken crag]

is it necessary to raise the grid cap

[rotund oasis]

its enough for his run though.

[final yacht]

no

just don't pick hostile environment it's fine

[broken crag]

rip wasted candy on nc hop and rei for nothing

just gonna use rats and bird

[gentle wharf]

Man looking at that Geeta clear it’s impossible for me with my crappy timing on Bounce haha

[rotund oasis]

i too used a candy + 2 cakes for this fight....

[slow sky]

ended up not using the candied unit at all?

[broken crag]

until i clear this i aint eating

[rotund oasis]

rest for a while after an hour or two.

[slow sky]

ngl i was raging before I cleared

i got Hop playing punk on me 4 times

[broken crag]

candied ash

6 candies used

4 wasted

[slow sky]

that's not even including the failed quad queues

[broken crag]

lets try rats

[crude marten]

at least fighting beats electric clear this time

[broken crag]

im really beginning to hate this once a month UB thing

unnecessary stress once a month

[crude marten]

you dont have to rush it though

[slow sky]

the good thing abt this is they dont expire

[humble gyro]

same

[broken crag]

the exlcamation mark

[slow sky]

unlike ebes

[broken crag]

is annoying

[earnest panther]

I'm getting palmer to 20% hp. This is miserable as I expected.

[humble gyro]

any way to do this without 3/5 rei?

[broken crag]

dena needs to sell one time use apple cup for UB. id buy it tbh

[rotund oasis]

if we do get uh,

Lucy. its not gonna be as tough

[spiral summit]

500 gem for apple cup

[floral geode]

...do I really really REALLY have to EX Kris JUST to be able to beat the Ethan EBE?

[spiral summit]

[slow sky]

well, looks like Leaf probably cant help for this

[broken crag]

worthy sacrifice to fund this game

[crude marten]

great investment id say

[rotund oasis]

i mean, i know someone beaat that Ethan EBE without EX Kris, but its rough. 😮

[crude marten]

shes a good pair

[slow sky]

unless I thought of a way to down that stupid Barry somehow

[floral geode]

I mean, I really don't wanna EX someone who I would only use for the EBE and then nothing else

[broken crag]

for lucy its just not get poisoned and no multipliers right?

[floral geode]

I literally tried myself, and it feels impossible

[crude marten]

i meaaan you can use her in gauntlet and cs

[broken crag]

oh sht keep forgetting to turn off mention

[crude marten]

kris is a such a strong physical water

[rotund oasis]

basically yeah. still an UB though, so you need to beat her before her 2nd sync. 😮

[slow sky]

2nd sync looks wayyyyy more manageable than this old man

[floral geode]

I mean, I never have a reason to use Kris in CS because I can just use ArchieMay instead

[broken crag]

the only 2nd i survived was argenta on +2 crit thank rng

that prob cursed me for this fight

[floral geode]

and LG is a slog that I dislike playing in the first place

[hearty cedar]

Not anabel iirc

[slow sky]

Hop cant for Thorton

[crude marten]

hop did both

[slow sky]

unless u have a solid spec type when he turns phy-resistant

i think

[crude marten]

thorton and anabel

[slow sky]

I did use hop for Anabel

def possible

altho u might go insane in the process

had a recorded run

[crude marten]

[floral geode]

So yeah, what else could I use Kris for if not for CS or LG?

[hearty cedar]

Even with og wally?

[slow sky]

not too sure

[crude marten]

well hes not running with og wally

[slow sky]

i never tested Hop on Thorton

[low coral]

Well, you gotta choose between investing into your pairs to have an easier time winning or just try to compensate it via teambuilding and skill

You won't get easy wins without investing into your units

[slow sky]

maybe just a OP special type will suffice for Thorton's case

[floral geode]

Well, my options are extremely limited in general

[river prawn]

Just 300 gems

[hearty cedar]

Ngl, i kinda feel sad for exr'ing riley but it was a necessary investment

[gentle mural]

Extreme Battles are called such for a reason, they're expecting you to have heavily invested units

[slow sky]

if I didnt manage to get SC Diantha to work i might actually consider this as a choice

[slate light]

hmm i think i'll need to come back once rei's got a couple of move levels under his belt

[slow sky]

altho I do intend to Rolex him somewhere down the line

[hearty cedar]

She worked? With rei or something?

[slow sky]

NC Hop

needed abit of finesse

[hearty cedar]

How???

[gentle mural]

Battle Rally points though

[hearty cedar]

She didnt work for me

[slow sky]

cos had to time someone getting knocked out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmkXpVoQ5vo

my run

[rotund oasis]

next time. i want NC Hop, but with EX Role 🙂

[broken crag]

anyone knw why did he run cs2 on zapdos instead of addrenalone 1

[slow sky]

SC Diantha had HS 1 with NC Rosa tho

[slate light]

squeeze damage everywhere, i guess

[rotund oasis]

^

[slow sky]

maximum chip damage

[low coral]

Probably because they didn't bother changing

[slow sky]

every bit helps for Palmer tbh

since Vigilance is garbage here

[broken crag]

hmm fair point gonna add cs 2

[floral geode]

and I do mean limited

[low coral]

No, Adrenaline is better if you got it lol

[slow sky]

its either they help with head start 1 or some LS that boost damage output

[low coral]

It's just that the person doing the run just didn't want to change from CS2 to something

Not because it's better

[slow sky]

as long as its not vigi its probably better due to Palmer with his cheating passives

[final yacht]

i mean

adrenaline 1 when you don't have any other form of sync countdown lowering

is pretty useless

[low coral]

It removes the necessity for quad, mostly

[final yacht]

unless units like sonia and all that do stuff on taking hits but that's not blue's case

so if you know how to quad might as well cs2

passive on blue doesn't really matter for palmer

[earnest panther]

LETS GO!

[inner heath]

Just ex her, ex is the cheapest way to clear ebe or any hard contents, you can’t expect to clear using budget team and also without investment. Any investment is good for long term considering all the game modes right now, you’ll never know when you need a specific unit/region/type… she can be used in rally, future ebe, battle challenge with johto theme…
If you feel like it’s not worth then skip 300 gems, several others have talked about this already

[hearty cedar]

Oooh you targetted empoleon till you got to your 3rd sync huh. Nice plan

[slow sky]

EX-ing an unit to get 300/600 gems? I will definitely do it

[rotund oasis]

3/5 rei? ;o

[earnest panther]

Ye

[rotund oasis]

nice

[slow sky]

I start targetting it after 2nd sync yeah

[earnest panther]

I had to ko empoleon when they're about to use spatk all for quadqueueing

You also need to quadqueue ode to glory on NCRosa's sync

[rotund oasis]

man. well at least my EX Role units are growing ;_;

[hearty cedar]

I'm kinda sad that I didnt see your run sooner lol

[earnest panther]

ScSteven my beloved

[slow sky]

u probably cleared before me

I was raging pretty hard prior to this

[hearty cedar]

I think i did

[slow sky]

I had 4 runs where Hop did not crit on sync

not counting those that I failed quad queues

if Hop wasnt playing games with me I might have cleared an hour earlier or more

[gentle wharf]

Between Rei and CHop which one is more important to beat Palmer?

[slow sky]

(Quad queueing with NCRosa is pretty annoying ngl)

[hearty cedar]

Very very difficult

[slow sky]

i also slowed my battle at the end

[hearty cedar]

I only managed to do it once and fortunately I cleared palmer on that very battle

[slow sky]

in case that stupid ball of fat flinched any of my team

[crude marten]

pro tip just mashed the button

[slow sky]

there was once i fast fwd and he flinch my team

[hearty cedar]

My first quad queue from rosa took me like 5-6 attempts

[slow sky]

ended up losing a turn and getting wiped

[rotund oasis]

I had my phone, connected to a laptop... JUST so i can MASH MY MOUSE on it.

:<

that's how desperate i was

[slow sky]

not 100% success rate

[rotund oasis]

true

[lunar sedge]

Quad is so annoying if ur using a phone with non optimized OS

[stone scarab]

Its Rei

[slow sky]

Rei is the ideal unit there

[stone scarab]

Rei is clearing this as a solo damage dealer, i dont think ive seen Hop do that here

[slow sky]

altho pairing Hop with Rei will make the battle immensely easier probs

[lunar sedge]

It absolutely trivialized it

[stone scarab]

sure does

[rotund oasis]

I actually tried uh

[hearty cedar]

Rei is more important but both are very important

[rotund oasis]

NC Hop + SST Red (SPD Down grid) + NC Rosa

[stone scarab]

i literally forgot to give my Rei a sync grid for my clear and my only issue was that Im not able to quadqueue consistently with Rei yet

[gentle wharf]

Thanks

[final yacht]

meh, hop needs lots of support, rei can clear with a variety of stuff

[stone scarab]

so i just sent him Adrenaline 1

[rotund oasis]

Sync Nuke + 7PMUN Bmove for NC Hop was about 50% of his max hp 😦

can't wait for his Strike EX Role ❤️

[hearty cedar]

Speed lowering is easy with hop so we don't need sstr's help with that. Or is this for ensuring sides get rekt afterwards from hop's sync?

[plush gale]

Hey Guys If you know this Turns out Geeta was Possible

[rotund oasis]

he needs to land his BMove which is difficult.

[hearty cedar]

Who? Hop's bmove?

[rotund oasis]

with SST Red, you can -6 SP.DEF, -6DEF and -6SPD consistently

[hearty cedar]

It never misses

[rotund oasis]

Hop's BMove

[lunar sedge]

Tfw he only does single target damage

Maybe strike RolEX wouldn't be so bad on him

[hearty cedar]

True. I was referring to the speed lowering grid

[rotund oasis]

ah for NC Hop

[hearty cedar]

Hop needs a field ex not a strike one

[lunar sedge]

Oh for sure

[hearty cedar]

Strike will also be great but field will be better

[lunar sedge]

I want field more for him

It'll be fun

[dusk notch]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[true lagoon]

Rei is stupid good

[earnest panther]

Ok the team i used isn't on the clears list.

Nice.

[true lagoon]

cuz oar1 def drops with good dps and strong as hell aoe b move

[hearty cedar]

Field ex nc.hop will be like another geeta when it comes to zone management

[rotund oasis]

i tried this, but no dice.

if i had to try it again, i'd grab Adrenaline.

[lunar sedge]

Who are you using?

[hearty cedar]

That's literally the grid most ppl use to kill palmer

[rotund oasis]

SST Red + NC Rosa

[inner heath]

I used the same team, but all 1/5 yeah but it’s not on the doc

[hearty cedar]

What team did you use?

[hearty cedar]

What was your team?

[rotund oasis]

uh the one that beat palmer?

[gentle wharf]

Yes but it needs a 4/5 GloriAlt2 and ridiculous Bounce timing

[hearty cedar]

They said their teams were not in the list, thats why i asked

[gentle wharf]

Hmm when did Rei and Akari show up last time

Did they ever rerun yet

[hearty cedar]

Only selects

[lunar sedge]

Oh SST
I don't have him so not too familiar with his acceleration play

[gentle wharf]

Ah not the free games one

[hearty cedar]

They never rerun

[rotund oasis]

SST Red can -3 Sync Countdown when he uses his BMove

[floral geode]

But that's 600 gems, not 300

Since it's Part 1 and 2

[true lagoon]

man you dont need every source of gems possible

[rotund oasis]

so you could do something like Max Move immediately -> Queue up 2 moves fromm your sync pairs, and then use SST Red's TM afterwardss.

[inner heath]

And does it make a different, absolutely not

[true lagoon]

if you arent willing to invest in your units then accept that fact and move on

[lunar sedge]

I assure you Kris carries Johto gen pool

[true lagoon]

i dont know why this is still a problem to you

[true lagoon]

she does

cuz everything else is fucking trash

[lunar sedge]

So the ex is still worth

[rotund oasis]

essentially, you do it initially,

[slow sky]

i would EX for 600 gems

[rotund oasis]

before Palmer makes a move.

[slow sky]

lol

[lunar sedge]

No wonder feraligatr hunches like that

[true galleon]

damnit

if only zone lasted til sync

[lunar sedge]

Time your zone

[earnest panther]

You know what's funny? I gave
Ncrosa, Bea, ScDiantha, and ScSteven headstart 1 for this UB alone..... and then Rei SP3.

I was trying so many things

[true galleon]

i think i need hs 1 on both chop and riley for faster sync

[hearty cedar]

Well she does have a massive nuke with endurance and pretty much full self sufficiency. She destroyed like 500 or 600 strength HS battle without rain back in the day. She is gooood for ex

[lunar sedge]

Chop don't need HS1

He already has a built in one

[true galleon]

another one

[lunar sedge]

To even out the countdown at the start?

[true galleon]

yeah

[true lagoon]

yeah but im saying johto gen pool is garbage

[true galleon]

next month ig

[lunar sedge]

I mean that could work but I personally went with SP3 chop and HS1 riley

[true galleon]

didn't farm gauntlet last time

[hearty cedar]

Always has been no wonder silver have issues with finding partners for his circle

[floral geode]

I mean, if I want enough gems for 2 pities instead of only 1

[true lagoon]

when your best on region partner is unironically a sub 300 attack strike thats pretty hilariously bad

[hearty cedar]

Best gen 2 general pool:- og kris or og jasmine

Best gen 2 free unit:- og silver

Best gen 2 pokefair unit:- ss morty imo, you could argue for eusine

Best seasonal for gen 2:- holi jasmine

Best masterfair for gen 2:- ss silver or ss lyra

[left crow]

I have hop, ncrosa, and...sc diantha? Can i do palmer?

[true lagoon]

600 gems will not be making or breaking that

[lunar sedge]

Where's Lyrapuff

[true lagoon]

spending habits will

stop losing your shit over one ebe because people have given you the options you just dont want to do them

[floral geode]

Because I need the gems, but still don't wanna EX someone JUST for the EBE and nothing else

[lunar sedge]

I would say Karen is pretty good too on the special dps side of things

[true lagoon]

it would be fine if you wouldnt complain about it

[stone scarab]

@final yacht quick thing about the doc, the Gladion Mina Wally team has the wrong candy count for the Palmer clear, says 8 when it should be 10

[true lagoon]

shes a good water type as a whole

[slow sky]

I cleared with that team, NC rosa is rolex tho, all 3/5

[hearty cedar]

She is a pain unfortunately...used her(2/5) till 26th feb 2024 for my fairy stages

[floral geode]

So I am stuck between a rock and a hard place

[hearty cedar]

They probably thought it was a 3/5 ss mina, not 5/5

[floral geode]

Maybe, but as I said, I never really have a reason to use her if I can just use ArchieMay instead...

That's the big problem

[stone scarab]

nah it said 5/5, it was a typo

[lunar sedge]

I assure you there's no harm in ex Kris

[slow sky]

then it depends on how badly u need that gems then, if you refuse to EX her to get a clear, ig you probably dont need it that bad

[left crow]

Mine is also Rolex but only hop is 3/5

[lunar sedge]

She's not just a good water but literally one of the only two good Johto gen pool

[kind stag]

so how bad is palmer

[inner heath]

it's just a game it's not that serious stressing over 600 gems and 20 PU

[hearty cedar]

Sc diantha can do it. I initially couldnt so i replaced her with fully invested riley but ye with rosa + nc.hop this ub can be cleared

[true lagoon]

whos the other one

cuz i assume you dont mean karen

[left crow]

I'll try, thanks y'all

[lunar sedge]

Karen pretty good imo she has carried me through things

[inner heath]

karen is good tho, 1 f2p clear for the ebe

[stone scarab]

Karen is fine post PB

[floral geode]

Yeah, Karen is good tbh

I have her EX'd

[left crow]

Doesn't ethan fave wisex3

[true lagoon]

yes

[hearty cedar]

One thing. After your 2nd sync(1st sync is rosa, 2nd sync is hop) you'll quad queue and attack empoleon till it dies to deny palmer a turn and then you'll kill palmer with your 3rd sync. After that, spam attacks on snorlax while praying not to get flinched

[broken crag]

after 3 hours of rage and stress im fking done, kept failing one of the 3 quqd queues

[lunar sedge]

She can do Penny EBE

[true lagoon]

against penny

[spiral summit]

Hell for who don’t have strong pair

[true lagoon]

toxic chance 3 on bite

[kind stag]

Thank you

[broken crag]

2x tech and 2x yellow candy wasted on rei and hop

for nothing

[lunar sedge]

Just duo with silver

[left crow]

Wait karen can poison!

This is news

[true lagoon]

yes

[blazing forge]

so how's the new ebe? didnt try yet

[lunar sedge]

HE sacred fire

Does the job fine

[blazing forge]

ultimate battle i mean

[hearty cedar]

This is why I say the rats team is the strongest despite having chase and tech ex for the ice team. That plot armor bmove is just unbelievable

[fading walrus]

On my way to fit Geeta on every UB clear

[true lagoon]

pretty awful if you dont have the super busted units

[stone scarab]

depends on your team

[gentle wharf]

Palmer is really annoying lol

[blazing forge]

what's the go to team rn?

[slow sky]

really a kill-or-be-killed scenario, need really fast dps/dmg output

[floral geode]

Also, if we're talking specifically Johto, I also have another different Water-type sync pair from Johto who relies on rain who is ALSO better than Kris...problem is that he's Special Strike instead of Physical Strike

[stone scarab]

rei champ hop champ rosa

[spice basin]

I see I'm keeping things accessible & resource friendly for everyone

[left crow]

If I can't beat palmer I'll get rei from the scout earluer

[broken crag]

looking back so much candy i dumped for this stupid ube when i couldve just candied ash from the start and saved me pain

[stone scarab]

as you should bestie

[broken crag]

[fading walrus]

Chop really struggles with sides later, Rei can't nuke mid fast enough

Kinda annoying

[hearty cedar]

WOW

[fading walrus]

Riley does very well for a freebie but you really need to stack a fuckton on the other two units

[true lagoon]

who?

[lunar sedge]

Eusine

[stone scarab]

Eusine, prob

[true lagoon]

i wouldnt really say eusine is better than a 3/5 kris especially not at 1/5

[fading walrus]

She's so based

[floral geode]

Eusine, yeah

[true lagoon]

low attack striker really needs to be carried by multipliers which he just doesnt have at that move level

[inner heath]

your eusine is 2/5

[floral geode]

True, that is also a problem

[hearty cedar]

Can relate with the pain. I dont have zapdos so I had to rely on my fighting team so dual candied hop and used the role cake on riley

[true lagoon]

yeah for eusine its 3/5 or bust

[floral geode]

But at least he is EX'd

[left crow]

I exed kris for Ethan ebe

Seeing her ex colors, I don't regret it

[hearty cedar]

Ngl, i might try it. I'd have killed the empoleon first and then taken down snorlax ngl even though it meant that snorlax will g.impact my rosa

[true lagoon]

ive had kris ex’d for a long time now but shes been very useful for these ebes in particular

[solemn bison]

Dumb that the fighting team can't beat Palmer

[true lagoon]

granted i also had options to like trivialize both but i needed dps from somewhere you know

[true lagoon]

who?

[left crow]

I would've used Ariana but eq

[true lagoon]

because they definitely can

[stone scarab]

gonna need you to elaborate more on this bc there are several that have

[low coral]

The output for Ice is quite considerably higher even with B Thunderbolt though

[hearty cedar]

Dm me the grids, I'll try this

[hearty cedar]

Ye i know

[solemn bison]

I have 3/5 cynthia and hop, 1/5 rei. Unflappable on them seems to make it impossible

[earnest panther]

Chop carried

[true lagoon]

it uses mighty friend on tm

[earnest panther]

[hearty cedar]

I need ex role on ash so badly

Tech ex

[low coral]

There's a Geeta clear up, although a different one

[broken crag]

whats the ice team comp

[spiral summit]

No fire team yet, but make sense

[true lagoon]

irida nc red chase probably

[stone scarab]

i got it reasonably easily with Rei Hop Rosa, same move levels but Rosa doesnt need it really

[low coral]

Irida + NC Red is the core, the support is generally one of Chase, Blue, and Cynthia

[true lagoon]

doesnt chase get a slightly higher peak for move damage or is that with blue

[floral geode]

Hrrrmmm...only 620 and 94 , though...

[low coral]

Chase gets a much higher damage in general

[lunar sedge]

To add to this Rosa 1/5 is fine for this

[low coral]

Blue's advantages are defensive

[true lagoon]

thats a lot more than me

[plush gale]

Here's my Playthrough https://youtu.be/HubFgxWK4rY?si=tyNqH-vHgZcj_nYU

[hearty cedar]

More than enough. Use 5 + 15 combo

[floral geode]

I wish there were more ways to get power-up tickets tbh

[true lagoon]

right

[stone scarab]

yeah rosa doesnt need her grid for it

[true lagoon]

cs is already enough

[broken crag]

nc blue truly #1 support

[true lagoon]

like you get 130 or so every week thats a lot

[stone scarab]

TM MPR is nice if you dont mind a 20% chance but i got it done with a potion grid that didnt use a single potion

[honest depot]

Maybe it’s because I don’t have Rei but is this the hardest UB? I feel like it’s at least #2 in difficulty

[true lagoon]

always has been quite possibly always will be

[floral geode]

130 or so is not enough imo

I have a constant drought of , yet I have more than I know how to spend them

[broken crag]

[low coral]

I would put Palmer at the top, yes

[lunar sedge]

Very yeah since the UB asks for presync clear

[true lagoon]

is it because hes more restrictive than anabel

[warm haven]

Same

[floral geode]

I wish I could exchange my excess for

[honest depot]

Yeah I thought so, this shit is shnasty

[true lagoon]

everyone has an excess of spirits its not a unique problem unless u started like yesterday

[low coral]

Well, Palmer is output check

[warm haven]

He's not as strong as i though but his options are very limited even without gimmicks

[honest depot]

I think it’s because you can’t just tank like crazy and clear with slow dps teams like every other UB

[low coral]

You can't really cheese him, you either will beat him flat or not

[honest depot]

Which greatly limits the pool of units that can clear

[floral geode]

Then why did DeNa do nothing to solve this problem?

[low coral]

Anabel you can still try to cheese via flinch, sleep, etc.

[true lagoon]

because its not a problem

[stone scarab]

Because it probably isn't a problem to them

[honest depot]

Also no flinch was so fucking rough for this fight in particular

[true lagoon]

like honestly sure you probably will run out of stuff to use them on

but you would much rather have them than not

[low coral]

Palmer is just pretty much no RNG involved, it's all on teambuilding and gameplay skill

[true lagoon]

cuz at the end of the day they are still a time gated resource

[marsh furnace]

The problem is the one shot max strike aoe

[honest depot]

Hehe my run relied on blue getting MP refresh twice

[marsh furnace]

Destroyed my rats

[broken crag]

well atleast lucy wont be so bad

next month i guess

[low coral]

You can bring RNG, but all RNG will be something added by the player

[stone scarab]

Lucy will be a nice breather compared to this for sure

[honest depot]

Yeah true

[low coral]

Palmer himself doesn't have random crits you have to avoid, secondary effects on moves like burn, etc.

At most you might get side flinched by Rock Slide extremely late into the battle

[stone scarab]

Yeah, I got double flinched by that late into the battle on one of my runs

[broken crag]

turns out with dmg guard u still get flinched

kinda sucks but i synced with ash

[crude marten]

anabel is much more restrictive if you ask me

[valid raft]

Palmer requires to be brute forced, Anabel requires massive amounts of debuffing

And replacing weather

[true lagoon]

i guess i was basing it off of available team comps

[inner heath]

I still find anabel the hardest, assuming you have all the required units

[true lagoon]

but honestly forcing a pre sync is really hard for this kind of fight

[gentle wharf]

It’s funny looking at my entire roster

[crude marten]

rip flinch, freeze, sleep though

[gentle wharf]

I don’t really have a team to GOTTA KILL FAST LMAO

[crude marten]

the only tools they gave you is sync accel

[gentle wharf]

They’re all basically slow and steady ones

[crude marten]

which kinda sucks but it is what it is

[true lagoon]

well palmer is a rei shill

and he is sprint

[gentle wharf]

What’s Rei’s EXR?

[final yacht]

strike

[gentle wharf]

Man

[slow sky]

LOL

i managed to make Leaf work for Palmer as well!

[final yacht]

i feel like palmer's way more restrictive
you can do anabel with lots of combinations of stats debuff and weather removal/replacing
palmer is just, do you have rei ? if not you have to use very specific combinations of op pairs

[true lagoon]

how is that bad lol

sides are pretty ass here

[slow sky]

[true lagoon]

well

[slow sky]

LMFAO

[true lagoon]

more ass than usual anyway

cuz rock slide is hella cringe

[slow sky]

NC Leaf :5 UB: 0

[true lagoon]

tbh she might have been a little underrated at release

[rotund oasis]

wtf?

[slow sky]

[rotund oasis]

how'd you sync'd? lol

[lunar sedge]

She was already dogged at before release lol

[slow sky]

she is more of a support/secondary dmg tho

[rotund oasis]

who synced rather, NC Rosa -> twice with NC Hop?

[slow sky]

NC rosa, NC hop x 2

same tactic as the team I used with SC Diantha

[true lagoon]

was it “oh she does no damage without rebuff”

[slow sky]

Knock Barry out for the extra move cycle

[final yacht]

so what is leaf doing lol

that sc steven wouldn't do

[slow sky]

Debuff/secondary dmg

and burn

[rotund oasis]

where do you get the -1 SPD though? NC Hop somewhere?

[final yacht]

"burn" lol

[true lagoon]

he drops spdef and def

built into his kit

[slow sky]

Hop's B move

[true lagoon]

im pretty sure its innate

[crude drum]

Hop (Champion) & Zapdos

<:CATEGORY_PHYSICAL:967450751980949625> <:TYPE_FIGHTING:967452396034883635> Thunderous Kick

Gauge: 4 | Power: 140 | Accuracy: 100 | Uses: -
Target: An opponent
Effect Tag: -
Lowers the target's Defense by 1 stat rank.

<:CATEGORY_STATUS:967450751955771402> Dire Hit All +

Gauge: - | Power: - | Accuracy: - | Uses: 2
Target: All allies
Effect Tag: -
Raises the critical-hit rate of all allied sync pairs by 2 stat ranks.

<:CATEGORY_PHYSICAL:967450751980949625> <:TYPE_FIGHTING:967452396034883635> Roaring Thunderous Kick

Gauge: - | Power: 200 | Accuracy: - | Uses: -
Target: An opponent
Effect Tag: Quick Move, Sure Hit
Activation Condition: When your team's sync move countdown is reduced by 6 while this move is deactivated.
Deactivation Condition: When this move is used.
Never misses. Ignores passive skills that would reduce the damage of this attack. Ignores passive skills that would protect the target against a critical hit. Ignores the target's Enduring effect. Lowers the target's Defense and Speed by 3 stat ranks.

<:CATEGORY_STATUS:967450751955771402> Triumphant Research!

Gauge: - | Power: - | Accuracy: - | Uses: 2
Target: Allied side
Effect Tag: -
Turns the field of play's zone into a Fighting Zone. (A Fighting Zone powers up Fighting-type attacks.) Raises the user's Speed by 3 stat ranks. Lowers the user's Sp. Def by 1 stat rank.

<:CATEGORY_PHYSICAL:967450751980949625> <:TYPE_FIGHTING:967452396034883635> <:CONDITION_SYNC:967453032939925614> Strongest Professor Thunderous Kick

Power: 200
Target: An opponent
Effect Tag: -
The more the target's Defense is lowered, the greater the power of this attack.

[lunar sedge]

That yeah iirc

[slow sky]

cos after Palmer gets taken out

the B move cd is already up

so I just straightaway went to B move that ball of fat

[lunar sedge]

And generally not being as amazing the the other two from what I know

Spoiler alert : ||she's still amazing||

[slow sky]

my Leaf is gridded really for disrupting the enemies

[forest root]

FINALLY

[true lagoon]

dont bully the panda

uh

how did everyone else die

[slow sky]

i only recgonis this panda

[lunar sedge]

Is that bugscyther?

[slow sky]

https://tenor.com/view/pacham-panda-kawaii-gif-19167062

[true lagoon]

yes

has to be

[forest root]

Yeah it is

[true lagoon]

cuz -5 def lmfao

[forest root]

And everyone else died due to my incompetence

[true lagoon]

well at least you won

[slow sky]

a clear's a clear

u got the gems

that's the important part

[forest root]

Endurance came in clutch

[lunar sedge]

Based Bugsy clear

[nova tapir]

aint no way leaf is there yet again

[slow sky]

[final yacht]

she's very replacable lol

[slow sky]

yup

[nova tapir]

ofc but its just funny

[slow sky]

but she works as a secondary dps and entire team debuff

leer'd thrice before self buffing and proceeding to attack

[nova tapir]

maybe she debuffs spelling too

[slow sky]

also, she can give "Head start 1 effect" via grid so u can give her CS2 as a secondary dps

[fading walrus]

Empoleon was debuffed so I wanted to guarantee the guaranteed kill

[fading walrus]

Can I get a link?

[low coral]

It was in-game

Not sure if still up

[fading walrus]

Ahhh i see

I'll check

[fading walrus]

Ohhhh

Interesting

I did use altglo Vs him in rally, but she's 1/5 so....

[hearty cedar]

Ngl, I wanna try that team but quad queuing with rosa is such a pain

[fading walrus]

Never had problems with it

• Geeta propulsion compensates if you really mess up

[hearty cedar]

You can actually quad queue with rosa? It took me like 5 attempts to do it once

[plush gale]

I found it and it was possible My Geeta is on 2 / 5 though

[fading walrus]

I do it on the vid

I never messed it up

[hearty cedar]

Give tips then

[fading walrus]

https://youtu.be/84t3VrcCOb0?si=xXI3peNiVJfOFZ2h

@hearty cedar here grids and gear btw

[covert marlin]

quadqueue is super annoying, should have some QoL on that

[hearty cedar]

This is geeta's grid right?

[fading walrus]

Nope

[true lagoon]

she uses mighty friend

i said that already lol

[spiral summit]

Not close enough

[fading walrus]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/29500/97000?s=3&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFCQoNDxATFhklKCos

I used this

It's suboptimal AF but I didn't want to change a grid I had already setupped

For other clears

I actually want to kinda do a better clear to submit now ngl

[spiral summit]

[novel fog]

Any Adaman clears against Palmer?

[covert marlin]

I should be able to clear but after clearing Palmer, I targeted wrong side

need Silver mpr for propulsion and Geeta mpr on her TM

[spiral summit]

Pre-Sync

[novel fog]

Is Rei that busted 😫

[true lagoon]

for this ub yes

cuz he has sync accel def drops and good dps with b move burst

all of which are wanted for palmer

[novel fog]

I regret picking SS Diantha from the select banner

[crude marten]

well outside this ub he is even better

guaranteed flinch every sync cycle

[slow sky]

my clears are all pre-sync, but need to kill one of the sides at a specific timing for that turn denial

[warm haven]

Yes

[slow sky]

since idh Rei

lul

[low coral]

Idt Rei's very good for UBs tbh

[slow sky]

oshit

I think i submitted an entry but forgot to add the theme levels of the pair

ahhhhhhhh

My leaf's theme levels are all at 1 on the link

☠️

[muted star]

uhhh

[crude marten]

well he doesnt really have any special gimmicks to counter ubs but aoe damage is still something

[muted star]

how do i do damage to palmer

[crude marten]

like he isnt gladion level of dd

or silvers level of utility

but hes still neat

[slow sky]

@final yacht mb I submitted duplicate entries as 1 of them has the theme levels of leaf at the wrong level(lv 1)

[floral crypt]

Do we recon this can beat Palmer somehow?

[slow sky]

the correct 1 is the 1 with the maxed theme level

[floral crypt]

All 3/5

[crude marten]

you lack nuker

no wally?

[floral crypt]

Don't have him + wanted to invent something new

[crude marten]

fairy team already cleared btw

[floral crypt]

I know

I saw it

[crude marten]

idt you can replace wally

[low coral]

Penny is a very huge damage loss compared to Wally

It won't work

[spiral summit]

SS Wally is a nuker in that team

[spice basin]

You need Wally's tech nuke

[muted star]

im using ACynthia, 1/5 Rei and 3/5 SCDiantha and I swear i barely do damage

[floral crypt]

Kind of figured but I wanted to try it

😦

[rotund oasis]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/shkqDcQ2_do oh this guy is cooking o_O

[valid raft]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-korean-gamer-gif-20887482

This is the difference with no CS2

[covert marlin]

grid for super powered 3 if you haven't

[inner heath]

roll for better gears

[valid raft]

3 words:
Out of cookies

[covert marlin]

then farm cookies

[valid raft]

No LG

And I realized villa is a bad place to farm cookies

When is the next LG coming?

[rotund oasis]

lol Super Ppowered 3 rofl

[covert marlin]

try using SC Steven instead of Lucario if you haven't

I find SC Steven better than relying on SSA Cynt

[hearty cedar]

Pretty impressive ngl

[valid raft]

Don't have

[hearty cedar]

Well you can beat it if you use mina's tm just before palmer's sybc

Bcuz it has crit shield

[valid raft]

And I'm currently waiting for my next sprint candy

Because I'm 3 away from my next one

[hearty cedar]

Also, you'll need synchro healing which is at 5/5 for mina

[kind stag]

No way it can't be that bad, right?

[hearty cedar]

It is that bad

Unless it's 5/5 ss mina

You can win easily with 5/5 ss mina, like way too easily

[valid raft]

Ask Arch

[kind stag]

RIGHT???

[kind stag]

oh hey it's not that bad

Nvm SS hau

it is that bad then

[low coral]

It's not easily, Mina barely has clears lol

She's pretty much locked to the Gladion + Wally comp, with them doing most of the work

[hearty cedar]

Koko with 2 clears so far iirc. Could also do argenta imo so 3 clears

[hearty cedar]

When I said easily, I was referring to that comp only. Also, doesnt she have like 2 or 3 prior clears with ss roxie and oleana?

Penny has a clear against thorton

[stone scarab]

They mean specifically vs Palmer

[hearty cedar]

Same

Mina 5/5 is used to keep the other 2 alive thats it

[stone scarab]

She performs significantly better against other UBs, Argenta excluded for fairly obvious reasons, but Palmer is awkward since he wants hyper offense and Mina isnt the best at enabling that

[low coral]

Yeah, Mina isn't a good pair for Palmer, she just has one comp she works at

[crude marten]

i feel like mina is only better in anabel for fairy comp

[stone scarab]

You can live the Max Move with her crit shield but after that you have Rock Slide and Giga Impact with PMUN to deal with and even with the crit shield those are hurting

[lunar sedge]

Got my NC Rosa/Chop/Riley run recorded

uploading in a bit

[true galleon]

finally

[hearty cedar]

Riley really came in handy

[raven wharf]

Is it possible to do hau ebe with a 1/5 non ex SSGladion

My alola supports are shit

[stone scarab]

It should be

[hearty cedar]

You would slaughter that stage with 1/5 ss gladion

[stone scarab]

Gladion removes a lot of what makes the stage as aggravating as it is just by existing and his B Move is a huge nuke when set up right, even 1/5 non EX he shouldn't have too much issue

[rich heron]

Finally after so many tries

[raven wharf]

This fine?

[rich heron]

Red survived Palmer's sync lol

Without protect

[stone scarab]

Maybe someone who can lower spatk over Lucian since it lets you get Gladions B Move set up faster

[hearty cedar]

Yep. If it isnt then use any 2 alola units

[modest orchid]

Is SC Diantha too slow for Palmer?

[true lagoon]

not too slow but needs to be supplemented by nc hop

[eternal yacht]

https://youtu.be/3HAEmuV_UI8?si=O0g-uwUl-BFvt2g9
Palmer's UB with 2/5 EX R Rei

[slow sky]

SC Diantha really is there as a secondary dps tbh

[modest orchid]

She’s fine for everything but UB still so I’m still feeling like she was a good investment lol, thank y’all

[slow sky]

Palmer has a really strict time limit so yeah

otherwise she would have worked fine

[modest orchid]

Yeah that’s fair I saw you needed to presync and had a real good feeling she was too slow lol

[kind stag]

Me with 0/5 sc steven

[crude marten]

well good news his banner is up right now

[slow sky]

[kind stag]

Saving for irida

[raven wharf]

Just a tad bit strong

[novel fog]

He's cracked

[lunar sedge]

https://youtu.be/NGA554Oxolk?si=Jg0Nv0cuZvST8VGV

[valid raft]

#1009557516369281075 message

[sour elk]

Nah, her 200K sync is clutch for this fight

#1203526331732594799 message

I came really close to clearing with her but I was let down by Rei dying to sync

I can probably force the W with better rng, role cake for Rei or more defensive gear

But I'm at work rn so I'll get to that at some point

[modest orchid]

I don’t have Rei either but that’s good to know

[raven wharf]

So uh

Is new palmer ebe basically just bring chop or rei?

[covert marlin]

if no Rei, you need NC Hop, but at that point, you can just use Riley who just has better team synergy

since Riley is also a sprint

[raven wharf]

Shitt

I should start grinding riley event

Man is still 1/5

[modest orchid]

Is Riley a pretty good free unit? I’ve seen him used a lot

[low coral]

You can also bring some of the big offensive units

Mainly Ice and Electric units

Or, if you have an excessive amount of investment, a Water comp can work

[covert marlin]

budget Rei, not really strong but enough for this UB since he can force 3 syncs on Regi

[low coral]

You can also do a Fairy specifically team that's basically the only non-hyper offensive approach that still is good

[raven wharf]

Ain't not way I can cheese another ebe with ncblue+sstred

[low coral]

You mainly want to have Ash on the third slot if doing that

[modest orchid]

Is SST Red the best unit in the game? Lol

[low coral]

You could argue he is

[raven wharf]

Never mind

I skipped Ash for ssac

Slight regret

[low coral]

I wouldn't say the game has a clear number 1 atm

Well, can you do an Ice approach?

[raven wharf]

Uhh

1/5 irida+3/5 sssilver

Doubt

Unless 5/5 sshilbert has something good

[low coral]

Ice approach is also known as a NC Red approach, just to be clear lol

[raven wharf]

Lol

I skipped ncred for ncblue

That sacrifice I don't regret

[valid raft]

Anyone tried SC Guzma for Palmer yet?

[warm haven]

me

dont try it

[valid raft]

https://tenor.com/view/guzma-guzmán-you-stupid-pokémon-gif-24445135

[jaunty coral]

What if i have both and i still can't beat it.

Rei just dies on sync

And chop has like 1.5 hp After the Sync and everyone dies to max move

[blazing forge]

even with sst red ash and nc blue im not able to clear it. one hit away and i die from max move

wonder what im doing wrong

[grave pendant]

If it’s only one hit from winning, could just be an RNG thing. Otherwise, I’d recommend you to a clear video in the pins.

[eternal yarrow]

Now i realize why they all kept saying quad queue quad queue lol

[blazing forge]

i tried searching for runs in the pins but couldn't find any, ig they haven't been updated yet?

[true lagoon]

its almost necessary considering you need to presync essentially

[broken crag]

how do you guys quad queue on 3 speed i had to run it at 1x speed to queue up successfully

💀

[true lagoon]

on who

[broken crag]

for palmer

[true lagoon]

most units its regular time nc rosa is wacky cuz of the form change

[true lagoon]

on which unit

[broken crag]

in general

[eternal yarrow]

Well for my run, i was able to do 3 syncs, then survived the enemy sync

[true lagoon]

the same as any other quad

[slow sky]

i always switch it to 1x speed during quad queue moment

then change back

[true lagoon]

its no different in palmer

[slow sky]

[true lagoon]

lower speed can help with consistency

[wary hemlock]

i swear which nutcase designed palmer ultimate

this is impossible

[true lagoon]

but palmer has nothing that would stop a quad

[grave pendant]

Oh which battle is this?

[true lagoon]

palmer’s ub

im not surprised the sheet’s not updated yet

it literally just came out today

[hearty cedar]

Tbf, this is the only ub that puts this much emphasis on quad queueing especially if you dont have rei. No rei means quad queue or die

[true lagoon]

well rei has adrenaline 3

quad just squeezes more damage in

[grave pendant]

Could always check the Pending submissions

[hearty cedar]

His bmove is the main attraction here

[stone scarab]

the sheet is also updated at least as far as my run is included on it

[hearty cedar]

Not his sprint ex

[wary hemlock]

sc diantha is no go?

[stone scarab]

nah both are important

[wary hemlock]

i tried her but her nuke isnt doing enough

[hearty cedar]

She can win only if you have rosa + 3/5 nc.hop

Or 3/5 rei

[stone scarab]

because Rei is able to help cut half a sync cycle off of a run just by himself

so with a bit of outside help (nc Rosa Sprint role for instance) you can get an entire sync cycle shaved off and that is kinda huge

[eternal yarrow]

Wait, i just did SC Dianthia with Anni Cynthia and Rei (all 3/5)

[wary hemlock]

this whole mvp is always rei

[hearty cedar]

Eh

[wary hemlock]

rarely see a team comp without rei

[hearty cedar]

Hop is almost as mvp as rei too tbh

Geeta + rosa + hop wins

[true lagoon]

nah its definitely meant for rei

[slow sky]

[wary hemlock]

meanwhile ssa cynthia

[hearty cedar]

It is indeed meant for rei

[slow sky]

yup its meant for Rei

[true lagoon]

he has less resistance to def debuffs which rei can do reliably

[slow sky]

NC Hop u need to finesse your way to make it work

[true lagoon]

hop is very good too because of fighting zone but not as paramount to clear

[spiral summit]

The only thing isn’t favor Rei is anti flinch

[true lagoon]

uh

[hearty cedar]

Problem is not regigigas but the sides

Time your attacks perfectly if you are only using ST moves and ST nuke or die

[wary hemlock]

i seen a fairy clear which was interesting (penny , ss gladion and ss wally)

[hearty cedar]

Yep works

Ss mina instead of penny works too

[broken crag]

that was my problem initially the sides would be left with >50% hp and i ran out of fighting zone

aoe hits hard

when they werent debuffed

[hearty cedar]

I killed gigas in my 2nd attempt with rosa, keldeo and hop...then i found out that the sides have aoe crit moves

[broken crag]

i didnt expect they could deal >90% of your entire hp

[valid raft]

4/5 Chase is hella useful for Palmer

Crit Shield on TM at 4/5

[broken crag]

does clutch critcal bypass crit shield?

[stone scarab]

No

[broken crag]

[valid raft]

It only bypasses passives that protects against crits

[stone scarab]

Crit Shield is the one reliable way to prevent him from critting

[valid raft]

It says nothing about ignoring field

[broken crag]

i see

[stone scarab]

But the problem is that even if you manage to live the Max Move he starts using PMUN boosted Rock Slides and Giga Impacts, with permanent normal zone

So even if you live the max move you're on a very strict timer to not die

[valid raft]

That's why SS Mina is god for Palmer

[stone scarab]

I really wouldn't rate her that highly

She has a comp she works with well already that happens to be able to output enough to kill just after the max move

And she helps them not die to that

[valid raft]

She gives crit shield multiple times, one of them being on her sync

[stone scarab]

Sure

But the crits aren't the biggest issue

The PMUN boosted Rock Slide and zone boosted Giga Impact are what id call the biggest issue

[north chasm]

surprised this team isn't on the sheet but i think it's the strongest one. anyways yeah damageless clear lmao https://youtu.be/AogtZAhI9ww?si=5vo6VoIlg65kjogn

[stone scarab]

The crits just ensure you don't live to see those 99% of the time

[north chasm]

i'll make a funny thumbnail at some point

[valid raft]

B Move

[stone scarab]

You kinda need to use that to live the max move

[valid raft]

Unless you replace the zone with her

[stone scarab]

Even with replacing the zone

[north chasm]

video is processing so quality is poopy rn

[valid raft]

And so triggers Sync Wall at the same time

[stone scarab]

It is a 4 sync buff Targets Maxed Max Strike

You're underrating how hard that hits even without critting

[valid raft]

Is this assumed with max buffs and debuffs?

[stone scarab]

Reasonable levels of buffs and debuffs

[novel fog]

Don't let this guy make decisions

Are there any clears with SC Diantha yet

[low coral]

Getting 5 syncs in vs Palmer

[true lagoon]

is palmer the first enemy to use moves up next

[stone scarab]

+2 attack on Palmer, +4 or 5 defenses is probably what is reasonable for that team comp

Because afaik the only attack debuffing that team has is Wally's B Move and he only does -4

[spice basin]

Which team

[stone scarab]

Your team

[valid raft]

Well, I wasn't referring to that team

[spice basin]

Oh

[stone scarab]

Any other team with Mina is likely to just not have the offensive power to work at all

[spice basin]

There's literally just one comp Mina works in

[stone scarab]

It is a damage race

Mina does not help much in a damage race

[spice basin]

Indeed

[valid raft]

SS Mina + NC Blue + Damage Dealer

[spice basin]

Who is your damage dealer?

Mina dies to the Giga Impact straight after max so you don't have much time

[valid raft]

Potentially SST Red

[stone scarab]

You're not outputting enough damage with any damage dealer and that team, im gonna be 100% honest

[valid raft]

Who says Mina is the tank?

[low coral]

Red struggles to get Cakewalk here

[novel fog]

Arch do you think I could run the same team u used but replace SS Wally with Penny or some strong nuker ?

[spice basin]

Anyone will die to the Giga Impact lmao

[low coral]

Tbolt is not an ideal damage dealer alone vs Palmer

[spice basin]

Definitely not Penny

[stone scarab]

The giga impact is almost as much of a nuke as the max strike is

[novel fog]

Like 3/5 SS Mina, 3/5 SS Gladion and something like Adaman

Also 3/5

[spice basin]

You'd have to try it but I'm doubtful

[valid raft]

Well, if you live the Max Strike, then you can use Mina's B Move

[true lagoon]

does sstr really need -6 def to nuke well

[spice basin]

You can't live the Max move without mina's B Move

[stone scarab]

Again, you kinda need the B Move to live the Max Strike to begin with

[spice basin]

There's a very small chance Mina will live herself but everyone else will go down

[valid raft]

Have you tested NC Blue + SS Mina? I know I can't because I don't have SS Mina

[lone bramble]

Arch is there any chance to take down Palmer with 1/5 Rei, Rosa + a 3rd?

[true lagoon]

that seems like too much defense

also crits bypass attack drops

[spice basin]

It is

[true lagoon]

so it wouldnt help anyway

[stone scarab]

You can but it would need like an NC Hop

[kind stag]

So it's a damage race

[valid raft]

Why do you think I said SS Mina?

[spice basin]

This is how much health Gladion survives with After -4 attack debuffs, Max Guard, replace Normal Zone, +4 or 5 defenses, Crit Shield

There is no way your DD survives without damage guard

[true lagoon]

well still the issue is i dont think you have enough dps with double support

[stone scarab]

Riley maybe could work but I have my doubt without higher move levels on Rei

[covert marlin]

what do you have for the third slot?

[true lagoon]

and you’re playing with 4 sync buffs +3 pmun boosted 4 bar moves

[spice basin]

The only working clear I've seen with Rosa and Rei at 1/5 is SC Steven iirc

[stone scarab]

NC Hop should work with move levels

[spice basin]

Oh yeah Hop would work ofc

[stone scarab]

My Rosa was 3/5 but I didnt use her grid at all

[spice basin]

Sorry I should've clarified as the sole DD **

[stone scarab]

Fair

[valid raft]

I mean, with SST Red, you have 2 sources of damage guard

[true lagoon]

then you lose paralysis and def drops by extension its not worth losing that

[stone scarab]

Also known as Delaying the Inevitable.

[valid raft]

Discharge

[true lagoon]

unreliable its basically a coin flip

[valid raft]

Even with HE2?

[stone scarab]

45% chance per use per target

[true lagoon]

it gets halved

[covert marlin]

I'm pretty sure you can try to stack +10 PMUN next on Rei after NC Rosa first sync and sync with Rei, and stack with NC Rosa and SC Steven again

[true lagoon]

this

[stone scarab]

Not unreliable but not reliable

[covert marlin]

which should work

[true lagoon]

id rather just not deal with coin flip odds when you have a superior option

[valid raft]

I know, but Blue is almost always going to spam Discharge

[true lagoon]

shrug

[spice basin]

I really don't think SST Red works as the sole damage dealer, DPS is whatever & nuke needs time to set up

[stone scarab]

Even with that though, Palmer buffs his defense to +4 pre sync

[true lagoon]

it’ll happen eventually but its not fun to rng that early enough

[spice basin]

You're losing your accel cos you want to survive the max move just to delay death

[covert marlin]

SST Red doesn't have enough burst damage, he is more dps than quick burst

you need Ash

[stone scarab]

Setting up his nuke is a nightmare in general on the stage

[warm haven]

thank you i didnt know where to put red

[stone scarab]

Because two uses of swag bag 9 ancient power and 4 TMs to deal with

[valid raft]

Who said anything about using sync acceleration? SS Mina will sync anyways after Palmer does his first

[spice basin]

What

[stone scarab]

Again, damage race

[valid raft]

How ridiculous would it sound to say to give both NC Blue and SS Mina Defense Crush?

[true lagoon]

the issue here is that both ss mina and blue are too defensive

[slow sky]

yup

[true lagoon]

even by themselves

[spice basin]

You just don't have enough firepower, nor supports enabling it

[stone scarab]

This fight is just not tuned to defensive playb

[spice basin]

It's just delaying the inevitable

[warm haven]

Blue is more ofensive, it's just that only works with electric teams vs palmer

[stone scarab]

Mina works on her one comp because she already synergises with the comp used offensively incredibly

[valid raft]

How much speed buffs does Palmer get before his 1st sync?

2?

[slow sky]

yus

from ancient powers

[spice basin]

Precisely, that comp fits together like a glove so you have room for her defensive capability

[true lagoon]

he is still defensively oriented as a support

[slow sky]

if u dont knock out the sides its 2

[stone scarab]

And it just happens that said team needs a little more time than most to get the fight dead

[true lagoon]

thats why he works so well for the other ubs

but palmer is the antithesis of long and drawn out

[warm haven]

-2 rebuffs is a permanent ET

and he still has spatk buffs, SMUN and def/spdef drops

[spice basin]

One more turn, one failed quad and the rock slide annihilates everyone

That's literally how much wiggle room you've got

[warm haven]

i mean, he's the best at defensive play but he's still great offensively

[stone scarab]

Yep

[valid raft]

Thinking of something like this:
https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=002103014500&s0=3&l0=150&r0=6&p0=0&a0=18040702&t0=44444&g0=AAECAwQFBggLDQ4QESYpKy0&v1=000002002500&s1=3&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=13010602&t1=44444&x1=true&g1=AAECAwQFBggLDRAdICMlKSwt&v2=003401078800&s2=3&l2=140&r2=6&p2=0&a2=18040702&t2=44444&g2=AAECAwQFGRwdHyAiJCcqLC4xMw

[true lagoon]

yes but its not enough

[stone scarab]

I can tell you outright that team is not going to succeed, but feel free to try it when you can if you so wish.

[valid raft]

Like I said, no SS Mina

I would love to tho

And, for a bit of RNG fun, SS Mina has TM MPR

[true lagoon]

if ss mina was replaced by another electric it probably could work but double support seems like a really poor choice overall for palmer

[spice basin]

I have minimal faith in that team so I won't be trying it

[valid raft]

I'm awaiting a JP content creator with this team

[stone scarab]

Double support works for big on type damage dealers, Red is not on type and not able to set up his big damage well

[true lagoon]

i mean i doubt even tosakinto will use ss mina here

shes just not what this fight wants

[vestal mantle]

What lucky skills for NCRed, Irida and NCRosa?

[stone scarab]

gonna need to be a bit more specific

[vestal mantle]

What lucky skills should I put on them?
I can’t seem to emulate the replays

[stone scarab]

which fight

[true lagoon]

check the pinned sheet

[vestal mantle]

Palmer

[stone scarab]

also yeah, this

but damage boosting stuff on Red and Irida, Adrenaline on Rosa is what i would go with

[vestal mantle]

I took out the sides but died to Palmer’s big move after his sync

[true lagoon]

yeah you shouldnt let him do max

ideally he shouldnt sync at all

but bare minimum is not letting him max

[valid raft]

I'm doing sync CD math in my mind currently

[final yacht]

20 teams against Palmer, and yet not a single one I can use

[true lagoon]

i have a team for anabel but no tech candies

dont feel too bad lol

[covert marlin]

it's fine, maybe 5th anni units can help you clear

[final yacht]

it's not even a candy issue for me

[covert marlin]

[final yacht]

i don't have the units

[true lagoon]

if anything having a team but not the move levels is worse cuz u know it can do it but u cant

and then for darach its the hell that is rock zone mpr

[random bronze]

i get so close with this team but im missing like 5k damage each time

[true lagoon]

with ss diantha

(eughalfiehcka)

[broken crag]

didnt someone clear it with rats

[valid raft]

Actually, why do I bother with Max Conductivity?

[true lagoon]

yes but it was ash chase sstr

aka hyperoffense

[final yacht]

someone didn't feel like changing LS

[stone scarab]

the optimal strategy for this fight, tbf

[true lagoon]

i mean it is optimal

but i think they assumed it wasnt

[final yacht]

@spiral summit tactic order on scteven / rei / ncleaf?

[true lagoon]

probably sc steven tanking

dont trust nc leaf to

[valid raft]

4 sync buffs, fully debuffed and all multipliers active

[final yacht]

yeah i think it's steven leaf rei

[random bronze]

i get super close with this team im always missing like 5k damage

[final yacht]

still asking to be sure

[spiral summit]

NC Leaf -> SC Steven -> Rei

[final yacht]

kk

[valid raft]

5th sync buff