Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

[drowsy mulch]

Ill try

Thank you so much

[pine loom]

I hope it helps ya

[jovial monolith]

anyone have any help for this?: #1009557516369281075 message

[silver spruce]

3/5 SS Mina is the key without ss gladion. Zinfogel did a clear you could try

[jovial monolith]

alr, tysm!

[sullen ember]

Praise the Flinch Gods ™️

[shrewd marten]

@pliant jewel i submitted but

where do i find the uh

f2p button

or is there no f2p button

[pliant jewel]

I’m remote so I’ll look later

[echo atlas]

Will it be possible to use the Palmer to defeat the Palmer?

[final yacht]

Really not

He's already so hard

And Palmer sucks against UBs

[echo atlas]

F

Is there anyone who protects from crit besides Jasmine?

Well yea the Mina I don't have

[warm haven]

It's better to focus on damage. Very few pairs will resist palmers sync, even less the max move after

[echo atlas]

So you'd say

Better to burst 500k+ before 1st sync

Huh

[warm haven]

yes

NC Hop is the best candidate

[echo atlas]

Yea don't have him either

Probably Cynthia Riley Sirfetch'd

[fossil fjord]

Not enough damage, sadly

[low coral]

Sirfetch'd sets up way too slowly

[warm haven]

Grusha clear on Thorton
https://youtu.be/G4qiiQr3Ouw

@pliant jewel i think you would be interested in Grusha gameplay

[sour elk]

I wonder if SC Diantha, Rei and either SSA Cynthia/NC Rosa will have enough damage to clear Palmer

[true lagoon]

its possible but she needs 3 different stats maxed for full nuke

[sour elk]

I'll give it a shot, on that front NC Rosa can easily max her defenses and top her speed

[crude marten]

if all 3/5 and rosa rei is rolex its a strong maybe

[sour elk]

Sadly I just picked up 1/5 Rei, so I'll have him EXR but I suspect I might not cut it

Diantha is 3/5 so I hope she can do enough

[grave pendant]

Hey same here

I was gonna ask what y’all were planning for Palmer’s UB

[shrewd marten]

I will try a ncleaf clear

That’s what I’m gonna do

And probably fail since I only have long type units

[stone scarab]

I'm going for a supportless clear still

[shrewd marten]

Realistically I have a lot of fighting options so ye

[crude marten]

nc leaf would be a challenge for sure

since her debuff gets countered by swagbag early on

you have to slot another debuffer so she can max out powerplay

[shrewd marten]

Swag bag ancient power is kinda mean

[tawdry bone]

Whos the easiest ult battle?

[stone scarab]

it really depends on who you own

because different stages have different requirements

[valid raft]

Gimmick-wise, Darach assuming you have good uptime on your fields

[stone scarab]

Darach is the easiest in terms of raw stats, but his stage requires constant upkeep of field effects which can prove more awkward to actually play against than any of the other stages

[valid raft]

Not to mention he also gain gradual regen after his 1st sync

[round latch]

Hi are there any successful teams for take on ethan/penny part 2 without the pre anni units?

[stone scarab]

yeah, the pinned Extreme Battle document has teams for them

"Extreme Battle and Battle Challenge repository"

[round latch]

oh theres a video link as well in the sheet nice thnks

[tawdry bone]

Ah damn I'd send you who I have but I don't wanna flood lol

[stone scarab]

Filling out the tracker and filtering the image to limited pairs only would probably work

+tracker

[plucky swan]

Link : https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker/
Use this video guide to properly filter your pairs : https://imgur.com/a/2ONrAcl
Fill your pairs > Turn Visibility only for "Have" > Filter by Type then Role > Turn On "Separators" > Print with "Image" button

[shrewd marten]

theyve been done f2p

[formal crescent]

Hyper Beam sucks in the Hau extreme battle

I can put noivern to sleep beforehand, sure...if im lucky

[shrewd marten]

Are you using zinfogel clear

[formal crescent]

Yes. Maybe i need to rewatch it

[formal crescent]

I'll take it!

[formal crescent]

Augh I'm looking at the F2P Penny and Ethan clears and my Kris is only 2/5 😔

[shrewd marten]

Rip

[novel fog]

Is Thorton possible with this ?

[crude marten]

yes

its been done before

[novel fog]

Wtf are you serious?

Is there a video ?

How relevant is Mix Red's 4/5

I'm honestly surprised but mad at the same time, I wasted over 10 hours trying to beat him with my MFs team

[crude marten]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dTDmGba_sg

[crude marten]

well this was pre grid update so it barely has any effect

[novel fog]

Ah great

[novel fog]

Ty

[crude marten]

this team clears 3 ultimate battles btw

thorton, darach, argenta obviously

[novel fog]

Darach too?

I thought it's impossible cause they're all flying weak ?

Argenta was mad easy, didn't even use a video for it

[crude marten]

its been done but not recorded probably

saw someone did it in less than a week he dropped

[novel fog]

Aight, I guess flying guard is needed ?

[crude marten]

perhaps

[novel fog]

My grid is actually better than this SS Acerola's grid, I have 4 extra energy which allows me to get Adrenaline1

[shrewd marten]

Darach just isn’t that strong

[novel fog]

And some other stuff

Gonna try Thorton first, ty

I DONT EVEN HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT STEALTH ROCK WITH THIS TEAM 🤩🤩🤩🤩

[fading walrus]

Argenta imo

She's stallable ffs

[gentle wharf]

Aren’t they all stallable

My vote goes to Darach

[warm haven]

If you dont have rocks Darach is a hell

But you can get post 3 sync Argenta and her conditions are easy to get so imo she's the easiest

[gentle wharf]

Rocks are the worst for Darach lol

All Darach really needs is WTZ and we got a bajillion of those. The rest are a LOT more restrictive in team building

[warm haven]

i mean stealth rocks

Only the strongest tech nukers can ignore the 40k gradual healing

[fading walrus]

No they are not lol

[fading walrus]

Two high DPS units works fine two

[echo atlas]

I used lodge Steven for Darach and it worked so fine

Pretty sure that now with nc Silver it can be a breeze

[novel fog]

I'm trying to follow this video to beat Thorton but it seems like my SS Acerola is taking way too much damage from double-edge than his does, I'm using the grid from pins cause this guy doesn't show his grid

[crude marten]

might be skill gear dif

[novel fog]

She is taking like twice as much damage

[fading walrus]

Likely

That and maybe some passive you're lacking

Is she 150?

[novel fog]

No way I'm lacking anything, I even have 4 extra energy so I gridded her with Adrenaline 1

[fading walrus]

Are her theme skills maxed

[novel fog]

All are 150, yes

Yes

[fading walrus]

Of all of the 3?

[novel fog]

Yes

[fading walrus]

Then it might be skill gear and grid

If not

[novel fog]

Should I take like 30-35 extra defense over Adrenaline 1 ?

[fading walrus]

Just record and post it here so we can compare

[novel fog]

I'm failing quad queues too but that ain't what makes the difference

His Acerola dies after Thorton's second sync due to surviving the move prior to that thanks to the enduring effect

[crude marten]

this is his acerola grid

[novel fog]

Tho Adrenaline can make it so I sync before he does

Here's mine

[fading walrus]

Sunscreen 1 might add to the difference

[novel fog]

is there a big difference?

I'm running ss1

[fading walrus]

Mhhhhh

You are losing like 30 def

[novel fog]

Getting flinched over and over drove me crazy so I picked grassy tenacity, it's not necessary tho

[fading walrus]

Which can be a pretty substantial difference

[crude marten]

did you get crit by any chance

[novel fog]

Oh really

[novel fog]

She has Vigilance

[crude marten]

oh

maybe she should run ice guard

[novel fog]

It's that stupid double edge

[crude marten]

yeah but they spam ice more than normal

taking less ice damage = better for the long run

[novel fog]

Ah that makes sense, lemme see if i have candies

cookies* mb

[crude marten]

his acerola is dead anyway post sync

[novel fog]

😃

[novel fog]

Yes but if he had something like HS1 or Adrenaline he could just sync before Thorton

[crude marten]

hes definitely running either hs/adrenaline or guard cookie

[novel fog]

Oh, that's not Vigilance :o

[fading walrus]

I think it's better to cook your own clears most times

Than trying to copy others 1:1

Tbfh

[crude marten]

true

[novel fog]

I can't cook.

Not on this game

[fading walrus]

Cooking clears yourself is definitely a skill you should develop

[crude marten]

you can copy but tweak it a bit

[fading walrus]

^

[crude marten]

play it around and adjust it to your prefered playstyle

[novel fog]

But what can even be changed in order to make it

[stable tundra]

They used HS1 on Acerola and CS2 on the other two. They definitely used better skill gears too

[fading walrus]

Skill gear is indeed huge

[novel fog]

I'm running Adrenaline on her grid so it should be just fine

[fading walrus]

Even just additive 3+3% or a couple of grassy terrain DRs make a lot of difference

[novel fog]

I'll change grassy tenacity

Which cookies give Type Guards again ?

Took 25 defense and 10 hp

Over Grassy Tenacity

This is my gear

Not the best theme skills but I do have some nice perks

[stable tundra]

The passives are good but the stats are 🚮

[crude marten]

wait what

that doesnt affect anything

[stable tundra]

Wait

Yeah

[crude marten]

[stable tundra]

Your team cant benefit from gears at all

[novel fog]

Do I have to match the theme skills😩😩😩😩

[crude marten]

yes

[novel fog]

Is there a way to roll them without rolling the passives

[crude marten]

just run normal grass gear if you have it

[novel fog]

I do not

I have high levelled ice

Or fairy

[crude marten]

well worth to try

[novel fog]

I tried Ice before

I don't think there's too much difference

Do the pieces I'm running at the moment basically not contributing at all?

Is it the same as not running any gears?

[stable tundra]

Basically yes

[crude marten]

yep

[jade marsh]

Guys it’s real

[valid raft]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-alola-pokemon-gladion-gladion-pokemon-gif-14920401264322460212

[crude marten]

first fully f2p ultimate battle?

so this confimed argenta is the weakest ub rn

[pine loom]

I thought it's Darach

[crude marten]

no fully f2p clear on darach so

[forest root]

Yeah I’m pretty sure most of the UBs require the current meta units

[jade marsh]

I think darach can be done but it’s worse

[crude marten]

darach hits harder and the gradual healing makes it tough to stall

[stable tundra]

there is NC Blue, SS Leaf, Bertha team on Darach as the only stall clear

[jade marsh]

darach f2p isn't a stall clear

well it is but till the final 3rd

[crude marten]

well not fully stall but chip damage

[jade marsh]

yeah

[crude marten]

sandstorm still works no?

[jade marsh]

yes

[crude marten]

only damage field doesnt

[high harbor]

Im trying the h-jasmine, gordie and ss diantha team on darach, but its too dependant on potions refreshs

[forest thistle]

Wait are any of the UBs stall-able ? I have oleana, what else do I need ?

[stable tundra]

only Argenta and Darach UB can be stalled

but both require specific pairs

[low coral]

They also tend to go for the semi-stall route instead of full stall

[left crow]

Wait why are people saying ethan can be flinch chained

Doesn't he get the shield after an instance

[stable tundra]

that shield (Resilience) lasts for 45 seconds, after that you can flinch him again

[left crow]

Would he put up that again?

[true lagoon]

you can time flinches to the point where he gets to act very infrequently basically neutering his gimmick

[grizzled portal]

Don't forget you also flinch the sides

If you know turn order

[forest thistle]

which pairs ?

is it the roxie / oleana comps

[low coral]

Roxie / Oleana can't be considered stall at all

[forest thistle]

which stall comps then

[low coral]

Dark showed Bertha / Sycamore / Gladion on Argenta

[forest thistle]

oh interesting i just assumed that wasn't stall

[low coral]

Darach had Elaine / Cynthia / SS Leaf

As well as NC Blue / SS Leaf / Bertha

[low coral]

They all do feature one pair that keeps doing DPS at least, which leans them into semi-stall rather than hard stall, but the main source of damage still is the passive one

[crude marten]

someone did bertha/ss leaf on argenta too but i forgot the third

[forest thistle]

regular cynthia ?

[crude marten]

yeah

[forest thistle]

have no idea who elaine is

interesting

[crude marten]

she has infinite sand if you keep syncing with her

but 5/5 grid i think?

unless dust kicker is on 4/5

[crude marten]

the new eevee pokefair

[low coral]

Dust Kicker is 4/5

5/5 is Sand Alert

[forest thistle]

i guess ss leaf is used over oleana because of the potions

[low coral]

Yeah, Leaf still debuffs offenses, but she has Potion and AoE regen

[forest thistle]

Hau part 2, any alternative team suggestions ? Not sure how to best utilise ss mina, do I sync with her every single time to avoid para

[grizzled portal]

I'd use SS Acerola instead of lillie clefairy and mina instead of lillie comfey

Personally

[forest thistle]

SS acerola ?

Don’t have

[grizzled portal]

Oh mb

I only saw the top of og acerola's head and assumed it was ss

[forest thistle]

All g weird crop

[grizzled portal]

[forest thistle]

What about anabel and mina

[small basin]

You're tanking with SS mina and not comfey right?

[forest thistle]

Yeah that’s just how the thing is set up

[small basin]

Ah ok

[forest thistle]

I haven’t tried this exact team but yes I’d be tanking with mina

[small basin]

That team looks like it should be fine

Mina's a fantastic backbone for this EBE

[forest thistle]

Do I aim middle or

Am I eliminating sides first

Also if I don’t sync with ss mina I immediately compromise para immunity

[small basin]

You can alternate between syncs

Since she has extention 5 it lasts for 2 sync cycles

So sync mina first for supp EX then comfey, rinse and repeat

[forest thistle]

it lasts 2 cycles ?? i thought it was like 1.5

[small basin]

Nah it's really only 1 and a half if your move animations are really long

Like b moves that debuff

[forest thistle]

the timer system for zone is so weird

everyone runs clearheaded right

yeah they'd have to

[small basin]

Could probably drop TSE actually for quick cure and stalwart, tbh i kinda forget everything hau does but having sp def drop immunity might be better than +1 crit for everyone

[forest thistle]

ss lillie relies on lillie for crit next which is kinda annoying

do i eliminate sides or middle first

[pseudo frost]

Guys, how do I beat hau, Ethan and that girl ???

For extreme challenge

This is my roster

[forest thistle]

is there any video proof of this ? because I honestly don't believe it

[stable tundra]

i dont think you can beat any of EBE with your current roster
also remember to upgrade Giovanni to 5/5

[cloud badge]

All it took to win this was to make TL Lillie EX + good flinch rng + switch back to Acuity
This EBE is awful still

[pseudo frost]

Can't I do anything?

[cloud badge]

Unfortunately not
With how ridiculous this EBE is

[stable tundra]

yeah, important units of yours are lacking necessary investments

[pseudo frost]

Then how do I improve them?

How can I get the investments?

[stable tundra]

please turn off ping when reply to me

are you confident on your luck for getting 3/5 of general pool units before EBEs leave?

[pseudo frost]

No

[stable tundra]

sometimes you have to accept the truth that you cant beat a content

[pseudo frost]

Hmm okay

[spice basin]

EBEs are very restrictive, even for veterans quite often, don't worry 'bout it too much

[small basin]

I could be wrong but im pretty sure extension 5 doubles it

WTZ lasts 45 seconds and E5 adds another 45

[forest thistle]

well it's either a massive skill issue on my end or false

[small basin]

[forest thistle]

i can send a video ig ?

[small basin]

What grids do you have for clef and comfey?

[stable tundra]

a gameplay of yours will help a lot

[spice basin]

Slightly more than double actually, 50 seconds on top of 45 seconds base

[forest thistle]

i'll send a video

my current issue is i'm actually just straight up dying lmao

ss mina gets hit with that late hyper beam and everyone is so weak they die to next sync

[small basin]

Instead of clefairy you could maybe try elio for sleep

Actually nah cuz then you'd lose sure crits on comfey

[cloud badge]

I’d suggest to powerup Lodge Lillie + raise potential

[stable tundra]

[forest thistle]

video is processing now on google drive one sec

fucking typo lmao

[fading walrus]

Well that...explains a lot

[forest thistle]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZFcdj_z5s85Et3rfIlQAjOvEVcl8j8Ga/view?usp=drivesdk

i fucked up at the end lmao but i don't think my sync would have killed anyways

i think the trap ran out on middle but not entirely sure

i couldn't see the trap logo

Another attempt. Might need EX on lodge Lillie and I’m not willing to do that for 300 gems

oh i should make lodge lillie 5/5

[cloud badge]

You dont need EX on TL Lillie

5/5 is v good itself

[forest thistle]

i might not but if i had ex on this attempt i'd have won i guess

[cloud badge]

Hmm why are you targeting Kommo-o first?

[forest thistle]

cuz that's what zinfogel does

presumably to avoid para, but i guess i technically don't need to worry about that

[valid raft]

I think mainly because Clanging Scales really hurts

[forest thistle]

can someone watch this and tell me why fairy zone extension 5 doesn't last 2 sync cycles ?

[valid raft]

Move animation

Most likely

[forest thistle]

these aren't even long animations right? how is 2 cycles even possible

[valid raft]

And different performances on different devices

Not sure

[forest thistle]

if device performance has anything to do with it that would be insane, this is a normal ass iphone lmao

[spice basin]

Device performance can make a difference iirc

[forest thistle]

anything else i'm doing wrong in this run ?

[spice basin]

I had a watch of the run, WTZ times look normal to me - it's mostly just animations taking a while

[forest thistle]

wtz?

[spice basin]

Weather/terrain/zone

[forest thistle]

alright, i'm gonna rule out 2 cycle extension then

seems out of my control

[spice basin]

Mhm

[valid raft]

Just reapply it with SS Mina and kill Hau immediately

[forest thistle]

?

[valid raft]

After reapplying fairy zone with SS Mina, kill Hau with Lodge Lillie's sync

[forest thistle]

this is all a given, do you mean don't target sides?

this is sort of like telling me to win the stage

[spice basin]

Yeah I'm not too sure how that's helping either

[pseudo frost]

I am stressing it this time just to get any and every gems that I can get cause I wanna guarantee the silver banner

But it's fine I guess

[spice basin]

That's understandable, have you completed all the permanent content?

[forest thistle]

my account started in 2022 and i'm getting my ass kicked on this hau EBE, don't worry about them too much

[spice basin]

#bot-zone message See here

[pseudo frost]

On my way to do the last 10 chapters in PML cause I forgot they aren't completed

[pseudo frost]

Well, I started around 3 months before 4th Anni so, I see your point

I haven't even done the legendary bosses !!

Oh and I haven't beat the champion stadium

Any team suggestions for that?

[forest thistle]

#1009554906568462476 this is the ebe/ub thread

[spice basin]

Send your roster over in the linked thread and we should be able to help you out

[forest thistle]

@stable tundra any ideas

[stable tundra]

i havent watched the gameplay yet, sorry but it seems others have pointed many things out already

[forest thistle]

it's all good, you asked for the gameplay

nothing has really been pointed out though i'm afraid

outside of the fact that 2 cycle extension won't work cause move animations

[pseudo frost]

Done

[stable tundra]

in normal gameplay without using tricks, WTZ with Extension 5 will end right before the second sync

so it's nothing wrong

i dont think you can use skipping animation trick here

[forest thistle]

it runs out early enough to leave me vulnerable to paralysis

and i'm playing it what i would consider perfect, not sure what else i can do

though the main issue is actually just dying to dire hit + sync rn lmao

i guess i have to kill middle before that no matter what

i'll ignore kommo-o and see how it goes

[crude marten]

enemy dies also takes out zone duration

dazzling beam debuff on lillie as well

[forest thistle]

yeah i'm also getting debuffed by the enemy almost every turn too

this ebe has been my worst matchup since like looker EBE

[valid raft]

Really? I managed to do Looker with gen pool units

Roxanne/May/Jasmine

[forest thistle]

relax buddy i did it with the exact same comp, it was complete aids

don't lie

shit took me so long lmao

like this hau ebe is technically doable with all free units as well, doesn't mean it's not a pain in the ass

#archive-stage-clears message

[novel fog]

😞😞😞😞

Should I just run my highest level gear

or keep rolling

[fading walrus]

Do you have 0 grass gear?

[grave pendant]

#1009557516369281075 message

[exotic trail]

I actually ended up pulling geeta so its cool

now I can't beat ethan pt 2

even if I have nemona put dmg guard next on geeta to help set up

ssa cynthia is one hit ko'd as well

[shrewd marten]

I have clear on spreadsheet

Madge

[exotic trail]

madge?

??

[shrewd marten]

It’s f2p clear go copy it

[exotic trail]

um

[shrewd marten]

But if you have nemona then that’s a lot easier

[exotic trail]

which clear are you referencing

[exotic trail]

she is also ex and 2/5

really? you want me to ex kris and bp morty?

[shrewd marten]

If have kriss and sslyra

Very easy

Sskris

If no sslyra use bpmorty

With nemona

[exotic trail]

nemona, bp morty and?

yknow idk if 300 gems is worth wasting ex resources on two niche pairs

[valid raft]

Did you actually want Geeta?

[exotic trail]

yeah

[shrewd marten]

Kris

Niche

[exotic trail]

she made me go to pity but

yeah

[shrewd marten]

[valid raft]

Hopefully you didn't regret it

[exotic trail]

same reason I got Nemona. I like Paldea

[shrewd marten]

Bp morty is also not really niche

[exotic trail]

look at my profile

[shrewd marten]

But if you don’t want to you don’t want to

Cuz you can just nemona

[exotic trail]

sometimes I whale

it doesn't matter

[valid raft]

I see

[exotic trail]

nemona and who tho

[shrewd marten]

Idk who you have

[exotic trail]

one sec

[grave pendant]

Geeta’s a guy btw

[exotic trail]

'la primera'?

[spiral summit]

[exotic trail]

so there r my pairs

[shrewd marten]

?

[exotic trail]

who do I put with nemona

[shrewd marten]

@grave pendant are you thinking of grusha lmfao?

[grizzled portal]

Grusha is a guy?

[fading walrus]

Grusha is indeed a guy

And Geeta is female

[spice basin]

[shrewd marten]

Annie did the reading thing

[grizzled portal]

I was just messing around don't take me seriously

[shrewd marten]

Ok but seriously

I guess

[grave pendant]

CRYING I JUST PUT IT TOGETHER

[shrewd marten]

Aw man that gives me aids but I’d go irida bp morty for flinches and nemona

If irida gets oneshot I’d try Bertha

[grizzled portal]

I was looking at their roster

[shrewd marten]

But there is a lack of ex Johto supports you have

[spiral summit]

2/5 Nemona cant deal enough

[grizzled portal]

Not many weather control units unfortunately

[shrewd marten]

I did it with sslyra

But that’s the cheat code of all time

[grizzled portal]

Always has been

[grave pendant]

More like ADHD kicked in

[shrewd marten]

[grave pendant]

And tbf, the letter spelling on both ends are the same

[shrewd marten]

She doesn’t fully reed the wurds dues she

[grave pendant]

That’s what ADHD is, my guy

[shrewd marten]

I did the thing

[grave pendant]

You see the thing, but your brain sees differently than what your eyes do

[shrewd marten]

It was funni

[shrewd marten]

Did you notice the funni

For me I have a higher chance of noticing the errors but I’ll do the fast read every now and then

[novel fog]

Sadly yeah

[exotic trail]

so

can I have some help?

ethan pt 2?

[valid raft]

I tried to pre-sync Thorton, but failed

[fading walrus]

Geeta pretty much wrecks him

Just change the weather

[novel fog]

Sounds pretty impossible to me

[valid raft]

Well, there's a team that has done it

[novel fog]

Really? :o

What is it

[valid raft]

SS Morty/NC Leaf/SS Hilda

[novel fog]

Ah, makes sense

[valid raft]

I'm trying to do it without SS Hilda

[shrewd marten]

Ncrosa too

[novel fog]

That's a lot less sun uptime, how is that possible ?

[valid raft]

Drought Alert

And Solar Sync

[novel fog]

Oh I get it

[valid raft]

Too bad Solar Sync isn't Solarize

[shrewd marten]

Sad

[valid raft]

If my Chase had HS1, then I can do this

[shrewd marten]

Use the cookies

[novel fog]

What a bad LG to miss man 😭 I regret it so much

[valid raft]

I have no more HS1 cookies

[shrewd marten]

Then use the 3*

[valid raft]

I wasted 2 of them to clear Hau's EB

No more deluxe cookies

[shrewd marten]

That is crazy

[novel fog]

What team did u use

[shrewd marten]

I’m hoarding some

[valid raft]

Oh how I'd give to have another LG right now

[valid raft]

SS Acerola/Mina/NC Leaf

[novel fog]

Ah yeah then HS1 makes sense

[valid raft]

Because Quick Tempo wears off by turn 3

[shrewd marten]

I did it with kantrio

[warm haven]

Is there a team that has cleared all UBs?

[shrewd marten]

Muahaha

[valid raft]

Not sure

[shrewd marten]

Ncred team probs

Cuz it’s static and boring

[warm haven]

Iirc irida couldn't beat Thorton

[shrewd marten]

That’s just not true I saw it in the glitched replay

[valid raft]

Without HS1, I cannot sync with Leaf

[shrewd marten]

I went for long fight cuz ncblue is better than accerola

[novel fog]

Do you guys happen to have Adaman, SS Acerola and Mix Red 😫😞🙏🏽

[shrewd marten]

Heh

[valid raft]

It seems my attempt for pre-sync Thorton will come later

[novel fog]

I can't beat stupid ass Thorton

[valid raft]

Tosakinto or SPLgum, pick

[novel fog]

Who???

Wtf

[shrewd marten]

Those are channels

They do the thing

Copy the vid

Profit

[fading walrus]

I'm pretty sure I remember a NY Wallace team also presyncing thorton btw

Maybe I misremember

[novel fog]

If they're chinese they probably sweat this game and has access to HS1/Ice Guard

[valid raft]

Can someone try Chase/SS May/NC Leaf on Thorton? With Chase having hS1

[spice basin]

I've done it with NY Wallace + SS Hilda

[valid raft]

I wanna see if this team can pre-sync clear Thorton

[novel fog]

NY Wallace is an amazing pair

[valid raft]

||Because I'm somehow triggered with SS Hilda||

[novel fog]

I only got like half of the things you mentioned here

So I can't help you sadly, sorry

[warm haven]

Have you tried NC Bede?

[valid raft]

Nein

[spice basin]

Everyone has access to HS1/Ice Guard

[novel fog]

Everyone seems to be chinese then

Nah I'm kidding but

This is what I got

Clearheaded anyone?

[valid raft]

Farm villa

[novel fog]

What is the best strategy for that

Hall 5 and reset ?

Or all the way to 30?

[valid raft]

Hall 20 and beyond has the 3* cookies

[novel fog]

But you can pick cookies as the bonus reward after every couple halls

[valid raft]

Those are only for the lower rarity

[novel fog]

They tend to give like 1-4

Ah shit

then it's gonna take me forever

Why is the new training area so bad for that purpose

Someone has to speak to DeNa about it, I get like 4 cookies with 300+ stamina

[warm haven]

Have you ever done gauntlet?

[novel fog]

Mhm

[warm haven]

I got a lot of cookies from that

[novel fog]

But it's not up rn

[warm haven]

Nope

[novel fog]

I just did not bother to do the last one

Which I regret

[warm haven]

Well I think it's coming next month

[novel fog]

On april?

[warm haven]

Still don't worry too much about UBs, they stay forever and are intended for veterans

[grave pendant]

Farm Lucky Skill area dude

[novel fog]

IT SUCKS SO BAD

[grave pendant]

It’s better than nothing :T

[novel fog]

It gives lucky scrolls, not cookies

[valid raft]

It gives cookies too

Just at a very low quantity

[novel fog]

Would you spend 300 stamina for 5 cookies at max ?

[grave pendant]

That is not the output my dude

[novel fog]

Gonna burn 300 stamina tomorrow just for you then

I bet 14k paid gems 🥰

I'll be back to Thorton for now

[formal crescent]

Is it possible to F2P Penny and Ethan with 2/5 EX Kris?

[rich heron]

3/5 u need Ig

[final yacht]

Wow I didn't check for a while

[shrewd marten]

Oh my god

[novel fog]

Drop those Thorton clears 😩

[final yacht]

@warm haven you never put rolex on your nc blue

[jade marsh]

I’ll add 1 more later

[final yacht]

Ok imma add it in 2 weeks

[jade marsh]

But it’s a 0 limited

[shrewd marten]

What are you doing

What stage I mean

[jade marsh]

It’s Argenta, i already did it i just need to make a video

Though i think i can do darach too

[jade marsh]

.

[shrewd marten]

Gladion is crazy

[true lagoon]

could this clear with 3/5 on everyone

[jade marsh]

For what stage?

[true lagoon]

anabel sorry

[jade marsh]

It should

[true lagoon]

whee only 4 tech candies

[jade marsh]

If you want

There’s a chance may can work instead of gloria

[warm haven]

what, i thought he had it

sorry then

[final yacht]

it's been a while dw dw

[jade marsh]

But gloria would probs be more consistent

[true lagoon]

wont i not have enough debuffs

cuz lyra has spdef and speed guaranteed but may debuffs are inconsistent

[jade marsh]

Hmm true

Does gloria debuff offensive stats?

[true lagoon]

no

only def and speed from grid

[jade marsh]

It might be better to fit one of those in instead

Because anabel hits hard

Even sunless

[final yacht]

i'm seeing a pattern

[true lagoon]

oops all neo champion

[final yacht]

ropalme using ssac and cred
runner using crosa and cerena

[shrewd marten]

That’s like their thing

Like every time something comes out I expect roplame to do things with ncred

[fast pendant]

For some reason Rosa had a bad grade against Thorton

So I had to go fix that

[fading walrus]

Wtf that sounds weird

[true lagoon]

wouldnt rosa wreck thorton lol

[fading walrus]

Indeed

[crude marten]

oh deoxys is runners?

saw the clear from in game replay

was wondering if you could do a full psychic team

[fast pendant]

I think so, yes, I was trying just now, will give some more runs when I have the time

[crude marten]

nice

[low coral]

Couldn't help it but hey, NC Red + NC Silver is a core I'm legit proud of getting as much out of as I did, as Silver's matchup vs Thorton is quite annoying

[shrewd marten]

To me ncred is your unit now

[shrewd marten]

The clear no one is surprised by I’m sure

Ncleaf got burned and I was tilted so didn’t bother resetting

Had to give sslyra a lucky skill for the first time

[fossil fjord]

Fire-types being able to be burned is so cursed lol

[low coral]

A person actually came to my comment section even to say they were disappointed Ash kinda disappeared from my channel post-NC Red, so I might do an Ash clear vs Palmer as well

[shrewd marten]

Insert the woody meme

[warm haven]

How's the Palmer planning?

Im starting to think that rats are the only pairs to beat Palmer offtype

[low coral]

I plan on doing
Rei / Hop / Cynthia
NC Red / Irida / Chase
Tbolt Red / Ash / Chase

As my first clears

Then, try to figure out what more can burst through

NC Rosa / SS Lana / SS Steven might be an option

[warm haven]

Nice

[silver spruce]

I'm kinda sad I won't be able to get a non MF clear for palmer

[warm haven]

My main team will be NC Bede / NC Hop / Rei

[silver spruce]

I don't think anything woud live long enough

[warm haven]

but i will try to use NC Silver somehow

[warm haven]

just wait for 2025 summer pairs

[silver spruce]

I think Rei and Riley might be enough but the support will need be amazing

Maybe Elaine?

[jade marsh]

Elaine is too slow for palmer

[fast pendant]

I would drop supp

SC Steven maybe

[jade marsh]

Triple strike is better yeah

Or triple tech or some combo

Just no support

[fast pendant]

Well if the supp doesn't offer any offensive pressure at least

[warm haven]

Do you think steven can tank palmer?

[fast pendant]

Yes

Anyone can

[jade marsh]

Everyone can tank the first 6 moves

[low coral]

You only need to tank two Ancient Power crits

You can even use that to abuse Power Reserves mechanics

[jade marsh]

I plan on doing that

Or trying

[low coral]

Solgaleo + Riley may be the go to accesible duo

As Solgaleo will have that PR5 Focus Blast

And Solgaleo can 100% tank the Ancient Powers as it has Endurance

[silver spruce]

You think the two turns that Riley and Solgaleo need to set up will be detrimental?

[broken crag]

i am ready

[sour elk]

I feel like maybe Diantha or Hop will be necessary, would I be wrong to assume the fight vs Palmer would only allow 3-4 ally syncs before total party wipe?

I was doing some rough calculations in Pomatools gainst a fighting weak 83 defense target with 3-4 sync buffs, Diantha's sync was seemingly doing like 200-250k

And also doing rough calculations for DPS with Rei and Diantha, I think they would clear but barely and relying on Diantha nuking out nearly half of Palmer's HP in the last moments

If no support is needed to tank I might try out SC Steven in SSA/NC Rosa's spot

[stable tundra]

Palmer uses Swag Bag Ancient Power twice and Diantha's innate multiplier is already slow to setup

So i dont think she is a good choice compared to Rei, Riley or even Solgaleo

Wait Solgaleo has Brainteaser too

[silver spruce]

Cynthia would set up diantha immediately though

[shrewd marten]

Wot

How

[stable tundra]

Diantha's innate sync is Relentless, but yeah Cynthia will setup Brute Wits immediately

Inertia tho, that still takes time

[silver spruce]

Diantha's innate is towering force

[stable tundra]

Wait

[silver spruce]

Buff defense spdef and speed and you cap her

[crude drum]

<:CATEGORY_SPECIAL:967450752098390077> <:TYPE_FIGHTING:967452396034883635> <:GROUP_SYNC:967457975612637265> Shining Valor Fighting Beam

Power: 200
Target: An opponent
Effect Tag: -
Deals damage based on the target's Defense rather than Sp. Def. The more the user's Defense is raised, the greater the power of this attack.

Sync Pairs with Move:

Diantha (Special Costume) & Keldeo

[stable tundra]

I have been lied for years

[valid raft]

So literally SSA Cynthia + NC Rosa can help her fully set up

[silver spruce]

It's why cynthia is amazing for her

[valid raft]

And NC Rosa has a chance to complete Diantha's Sp. Atk. buff

[slate bison]

more like you bamboozled yourself

[sour elk]

Rosa also tops her speed since she won't max it on her own in a timely matter

But the main thing I was driving at is that I suspect a fighting tech nuke might be required

Or triple damage dealer shenanigans maybe

[valid raft]

Actually, it seems that SC Steven is better than Rosa

4 sync buffs with Rosa is 254k, 2 sync buffs with SC Steven is 256k

[silver spruce]

I mean she is spamming secret sword after her tm so like +4ish speed before her sync?

[sour elk]

Steven Rei Diantha

[valid raft]

SC Steven buffs speed anyways

[sour elk]

But I fear Diantha wouldn't max her defenses on her own

[silver spruce]

It's the same debacle

[sour elk]

Hopefully PMUN for Rei can make up for it

[silver spruce]

You can get close though

Stacking PMUN for B Triple Arrows would hel[

help

[sour elk]

I feel Rosa is looking good between rebuff, appropriate Diantha buffs and constant PMUN/SMUN stream

[valid raft]

Rosa would somewhat help that

[silver spruce]

Is that using CS2 or SP3?

[valid raft]

CS2

[sour elk]

Problem I see with SSA is that her zone might run out before Diantha's sync but she has ramp to make up for it and maybe cram another sync

[fossil surge]

i assume palmer is fighting weak cuz regigigas, is he dropping soon?

[sour elk]

This Friday iirc

[fossil surge]

neat

i might actually be able to do this one too

do we have the info on him as of now?

[silver spruce]

You die if you can't presync

[fossil surge]

ah.

[sour elk]

I was also thinking maybe if Diantha fishes for some Aura Sphere Staggering early on maybe condition nullification might run out in time for Rei to flinch again and buy more time

[valid raft]

Unflappable

[sour elk]

But Palmer has extension and I don't know if it would last the whole fight

[valid raft]

And immune to statuses that disables their pokemon moves

[sour elk]

Lmao why even give him the extension if he is flat out immune to everything lol

[valid raft]

Probably for the other statuses

[warm haven]

Yeah no turn denial

[sour elk]

That's tough then, are we looking at 3 ally syncs max?

[warm haven]

4-5 with accel

[slate bison]

there is a reason we have been memeing with Regigigas and super saiyan hair

[valid raft]

SSA Cynthia + Rosa + Rei will get syncs in before Palmer's 1st sync

[lone bramble]

My Darach clear got added to the sheet. Let's go soo freaking happy. Thanks a lot Mael!

[valid raft]

Assuming that Rosa and SSA Cynthia has HS1 and you quadqueue Rosa's TM after she syncs

[warm haven]

Idt rei has enough damage for Palmer. And cynthia's zone will desapear after 3-4 turns

[valid raft]

Well, you sync with NC Rosa first before SSA Cynthia

And they have sprint role anyways

The point of Palmer is to showcase sprint units

[slate bison]

I'd rather use sprints that are doing real damage when they sync

[valid raft]

You mean Riley + Rei?

[slate bison]

on that particular battle that is, it's a race after all

[sour elk]

We have 7 turns to queue right? So if the sync cycles were 1, 2, 2 and 3 turns long (Cynthia > Rei> Diantha > Diantha) we couldn't fit the 4th one, but Im probably counting wrong

[valid raft]

#1009557516369281075 message

You're off by 1 turn

[warm haven]

Fear me Palmer

[silver spruce]

What about Argenta Rei Riley?

She's got super sync for Riley to Max Bomb

[sour elk]

I'm considering Diantha so no triple sprint, I kinda doubt Rei can do enough on his own even if thta team can fit 4

[valid raft]

#1009557516369281075 message

[sour elk]

And 5 syncs seem out the question

[warm haven]

Yeah

[valid raft]

https://tenor.com/view/jumpscare-rei-arceus-legends-pokemon-gif-24685175

[valid raft]

No SEUN, 0 defense debuffs and 5 stacks of PMUN

[slate bison]

you forgot the sync buffs

[valid raft]

5 sync buffs

Assuming you can quadqueue it after he syncs

[slate bison]

funny how that sync + the bmove would only take a bit more than half of Palmer's HP

but of course that's ignoring whatever damage you did prior

[valid raft]

Why TF is NC Rosa's TM MPR only 20%

https://tenor.com/view/unova-pokemon-gen5-pokemon-rosa-gif-19244926

[warm haven]

where are you getting the 5 PMUN from?

[valid raft]

I'm just assuming from NC Rosa

[warm haven]

Right

[valid raft]

Now that I think about it, it's supposed to be 4 instead of 5

[warm haven]

I may save Rei's TM until the last moment

4/5 Rei seems nice with Mighty Command 9

[valid raft]

You're gonna use HS1 for him instead?

[warm haven]

yes

[slate bison]

it's 5/5

[warm haven]

oh right

[valid raft]

Anyone practicing how to quadqueue Rosa's TM?

[stable tundra]

its like a normal quadqueue

[valid raft]

Nah, it's hella delayed

[stable tundra]

then skill issue

[sour elk]

That still doesn't look like enough, that's a bit over half and Rei won't stack +5 PMUN if he's attacking every turn

[stable tundra]

i do quad queue with her TM just fine

its the only move you can quad reliably

[sour elk]

I doubt Rei can clock 250K with pure DPS prior to that

[valid raft]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=009103044800&s0=3&l0=150&r0=6&p0=0&a0=15010101&t0=44444&x0=true&g0=AAECAwQFBggLDQ4PGiUmKCot&v1=029000072401&s1=3&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=13016403&t1=4444&x1=true&g1=AAECAwQFDxEUHiEiJSgpLC8yMzU&v2=010102064800&s2=3&l2=150&r2=6&p2=0&a2=15010101&t2=44444&x2=true&g2=AAECAwQFBggKCwwNExQXJikrLA

[jovial monolith]

besides the clears in pins, are there any other f2p ways to clear the penny and ethan ebe!

*?

i don't have enough 4* powerups go get both bp morty and lodge jasmine to 5*

[valid raft]

Ethan might be significantly harder because there are only 2 Johto units that sets up weather that isn't sun

[forest thistle]

This EBE was forged in the depths of hell

[valid raft]

https://tenor.com/view/hau-pokemon-usum-pokemon-ultra-sun-hau-pokemon-gif-26631091

[jovial monolith]

fun !!!

[clever widget]

Simply #1042081299881541692 message

[jovial monolith]

yeah i wanna do that one

the issue is: i don't have the 4* powerups to do that

the only unit i was planning to pull on this month was sc irida and she arrives the same time the ebes leave

is there a part 2 clear using the rat bird team?

i have exr on red and blue but no 5/5 so i can't expans grid for some tiles

dk which are necessary

[clever widget]

The repository in the pins has a bluerat team

[valid raft]

You can still use my team

[jovial monolith]

for penny?

[clever widget]

~~Oh sorry i thought you meant hau ~~

[jovial monolith]

i don't have cynthia :(

[jovial monolith]

oh i might try that for how if i can't pull off the accessible team

nws

i remember using a similar team for the lillie lunala ebe a while back and was pleasantly surprised by lodge lillie

[forest thistle]

Holy shit finally

[small basin]

Congrats

[forest thistle]

I had to do a grid cap unlock on ss mina to get team sharp entry 1

Just for that slight dps boost

[forest thistle]

Thank you, I’m not looking forward to the UBs

I don’t think my roster is good enough for any of them anyways, tho I saw a f2p argenta clear

[lone bramble]

Am I getting this right? For Thorton I need a rebuff, a special damage dealer to bring mid to 60% and then a physical damage dealer to take out the rest of the hp bar?

[valid raft]

https://tenor.com/view/you-are-correct-sir-hades-hercules-thats-right-gif-17484286

[lone bramble]

And one application of rebuff is enough? Don't need another for later in the fight?

[valid raft]

Yes

[true lagoon]

sst red already trivializes penny

[lone bramble]

Tysm!

[true lagoon]

aoe paralysis disables HA8 which is the main issue anyway

and he has party grad healing to neutralize stealth rocks too

[jovial monolith]

oh dope

[jovial monolith]

ok penny done

@valid raft hi sorry for ping, but is the main purpose of irida in this clear to provide hail rather than some other dps? https://youtu.be/wvFl45-3XSo?si=9LCUhR2KTFd69zzn

i'm trying to brainstorm a way to do something similar using the weather pairs i have

[valid raft]

Her hail also provides somw chip damage and she also helps with Cakewalk for SST Red. She also makes your team not take damage from hail

[left crow]

Thanks @true lagoon

[valid raft]

[jovial monolith]

notedo, tysm!

[true lagoon]

oh you did end up using lyra… how is your team almost dead

[left crow]

Because i cant quadqueue that fast lol

Sides used GI for kriss

[jovial monolith]

is there any lucky skill that slows the opponent?

[olive hull]

Must be nice to have pulled the win buttons

[left crow]

I can't beat argenta with this, is it a v much a skill issue

If so, any tips?

[stable tundra]

Ropal did the same clear, do you use the same lucky skill, grid and move rotation like on the video?

[left crow]

I dontt know that exists, lemme check ut out

[valid raft]

But this is better
Off by one

[echo atlas]

Piercing boows ignores endurance sadly

[olive hull]

Wait the Ethan battle is more bs. Literally no boosted rock types? So transparently pay2win

[valid raft]

It has Wise Entry x3

[olive hull]

No weather setters either? Just evil...

[valid raft]

The only boosted one is SS Kris

[olive hull]

Which i don't have because I didn't have 37k×3 gems when they first came out to get them all

[spice basin]

There's teams in the pins see if you can replicate something there

[olive hull]

Looks more like one team SSKris is basically required otherwise

[valid raft]

You can try to use off-region weather setters lik Irida and stuff

[olive hull]

Bertha kinda helped but just didn't quite cinch it

[valid raft]

Does she have a guard ability?

[olive hull]

No

Ugh. And this is still part 1. It's within reach but still crazy hard

[novel fog]

Whats the thing with Sabrina

Aho should work good against her

[valid raft]

#1128052735967764621

[novel fog]

ty

[low heart]

Help

[jade marsh]

you aren't limited to special regions so you can use anyone

the missions only matter for round 2 so you can just throw your best team at it

[low heart]

I'll just use random

Gonna use this

[jade marsh]

you should have some better units that go well with nate

[low heart]

Ive so many teams

[jade marsh]

Skyla should be miles better than viola there

[jade marsh]

Unova boost + defence buffs it's a physical stage

this isn't a stage that locks out units

you can use anyone

Skyla + Nate + any unit with status should do it

for the third slot Colress would be ideal if you have him

[low heart]

Haillll

Is so annoying

I don't him

[shrewd marten]

???

[rotund oasis]

Avalug

[low heart]

I need to bring an fire type

[high harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1dkDnCLe0U I've been trying this team, but I dont have the dmg, I wonder if its the lack of gears, though rng on potion refresh is also a very matter on this team

just cuz I dont have stupid NC blue

can I replace ss diantha with sst red and have similar results?

[floral geode]

...I still need to do the Ethan EBE... 😦

[forest root]

Same lmao

[novel fog]

Y'all are too stressed about 600 gems, I can't clear that either

Just accept that, it's not that bad

[floral geode]

but the 600 gems

[valid raft]

Yeah, I had to lose 300 gems once on the initial Ethan EB clear

[lunar sedge]

I had too miss out too during Looker EBE

It's not really a big deal by the end of the day

[valid raft]

How close were you to beating him?

[lunar sedge]

gosh it's been so long I don't exactly remember

[valid raft]

I was able to beat him only thanks to Jasmine

[lunar sedge]

I did p1

But p2 was another story

[valid raft]

Jasmine carries part 2 tho

[lunar sedge]

Was it a double support comp? With an on-region tank

[valid raft]

Yeah, Roxanne

And May as my damage dealer

[lunar sedge]

Ah makes sense

I do remember using May and Roxanne but can't remember who the third was

[valid raft]

Well, Jasmine carries hard even if she's weak to water

Her TM is really vital

[lunar sedge]

Yeah I know, I'm hoping the EBE would come back now at some point

So I can try that out, and a sweet little revenge

[valid raft]

Oh please, you have better units now, you know you're easily going to destroy it

[floral geode]

man, I can't even beat P1 of the Ethan EBE

I was hoping people would be able to help me now

now that a lot of time has passed

[lunar sedge]

I literally have the unit made for it now lmao but that would not be as satisfying if you asked me

[floral geode]

Infact, who even can I use for the Ethan EBE?

Don't have NC Silver and have no interest in ever getting NC Silver, so that's not an option

So who to use instead?

[valid raft]

An off-region weather setter

[floral geode]

...oh jeez...will they survive the first enemy sync, though?

[valid raft]

My Irida did

[floral geode]

I hope my Irida will, too

But who to pair her up with?

[valid raft]

Use OG Kris

Fight has Wise Entry x3

[floral geode]

Okay, and who would be support? HJasmine?

[valid raft]

I guess even if she's weak to ground, Irida must be protected tho

[floral geode]

Hmm...SC Jasmine is electric weak instead...

[jovial monolith]

if anyone clears the ethan ebe using sst red and nc blue supported by a weather setter here, can they lmk? i wanna hold off a bit before investing in bp morty the 20 4* pus

[low coral]

Do you have Ash?

[jovial monolith]

ye

3/5 ex

[low coral]

https://youtu.be/iZnRmXicJ6w?si=X7ob_uMTAk1n1tyP

[final yacht]

I am not doing the grades, not even looking at them

[jovial monolith]

...no way they brute forced this too

tysm!

do you happen to know what blue's lucky skill is?

[valid raft]

Finally, another off-region clear

[low coral]

Fire Guard

[warm haven]

I got Palmer in the rally and could test some teams

Kantrio ofc destroys him, even better than my fighting team

[rotund oasis]

100% boost vs 100% boost? 😮

[warm haven]

they told me that 100% vs VH UB is like the original UB so i used that for the fighting team

No boost kantrio took 75% of Palmers HP so i asumed they could clear the base UB

[fading walrus]

Yeah you wanna use only one boost

If you do that's 1:1

[warm haven]

Then its all good

[fading walrus]

Kinda wanna see a recording of it

[crude marten]

kantrio as in 4th anni or?

[warm haven]

I was experimenting with a grid but this is what I got

[crude marten]

oh rats

i think rat team can clear

[warm haven]

Yeah

The most impressive thing actually is that with blue's debuff rats can actually do a post sync clear

[spice basin]

Huh, no boosts?

[crude marten]

khaku used initial boost

its the same as facing ub

[warm haven]

Actually it's with no boost

[crude marten]

oh lol

theyre guaranteed clear thenn

we overestimate palmer probably

[warm haven]

Nah, it's kanto rats

and palmer doesnt have any strong gimmick

Im not sure if the ice team can clear it

[crude marten]

ice definitely can do it with chase

[fading walrus]

It's not THAT weird tbh

But post sync is awkward

Because Palmer sets zone which fucks over zoners

[jovial monolith]

ty!

[warm haven]

True

[crude marten]

how many sync buff was this

4?

[fading walrus]

Anyway, ash is definitely key for electr in that UB

[warm haven]

yeah

[fading walrus]

Tbolt actually gets quite hard countered

[crude marten]

did you sync with red or just ash

[warm haven]

All HS1, Blue -> Red -> Ash

[fading walrus]

Thing is

With boost

[crude marten]

yeah im actually thinking if its better to just sync with ash lol

[fading walrus]

Sides might still fuck up the team a bit

[crude marten]

bring chase in

[warm haven]

Yeah, It's better to just sync with ash

[valid raft]

Having Chase would definitely help

[crude marten]

chase offers more accel and roughly only missing 10% boost for ash

[valid raft]

But he offers more SpMUN stacks

[fading walrus]

Chase also gives huge circle for buddy and sync to destroy mid

Plus MUNs

[warm haven]

Eh, the thing is that rebuff > circle

[fading walrus]

MUNs on buddy tbolt are huge tho

[warm haven]

Can chase give a burst of +4 SMUN

[valid raft]

You're goung to replace SST Red actually

[fading walrus]

^

[warm haven]

oh

[fading walrus]

Not double rebuff

[valid raft]

NC Blue/Ash/Chase is the ideal team

[warm haven]

then you loose ET

[crude marten]

huh?

[fading walrus]

Double rebuff + MUNs > terrain + rebuff

[fast pendant]

I would rather replace Blue

[crude marten]

^

[fading walrus]

Imo