Champion Stadium

[old orchid]

Are you attempting hard or master mode

Just to make sure, are you using Gloria's max move right after using hee TM

[hushed burrow]

Csmm

And yes

[old orchid]

I would replace Blaine with a spdef buffer

[hushed burrow]

Alr

But I'm using glorialt?

[old orchid]

Yes? Is there something wrong?

You are not supposed to use Pyro Ball while in Flying mode

[supple reef]

at 3/5 glorialt can solo sustain the entire sync countdown in flying mode

[hushed burrow]

bounce is physical

[hushed burrow]

yea , but i was using half mp

oh wait u said buffer

i read debuffer

mb

[karmic zephyr]

I was about to brainstorm teams for next week and then I remembered I'm doing hard mode 😂

But doing this has actually helped me a lot

So always plan in advance!

[nocturne pawn]

kalos is considerably harder in comparison to johto so it helps to prepare

[karmic zephyr]

Mhm, will do that the week after!

[old orchid]

All her moves are physical, so i don't get what are you saying

[supple reef]

they thought you said a spdef debuffer, not a spdef buffer

[hushed burrow]

What can I use with Giacomo to do lance

Also what do the special parameters do?

[old orchid]

a tank and a gauge support at minimum

[hushed burrow]

I'm using colress with him to decrease def and para

[old orchid]

if you meant the parameter on R5, it's just gauge recharging faster

[hushed burrow]

I was asking for all of them

The % would be nice as well

[old orchid]

you can check this thread out

[hushed burrow]

Thanks

However it doesn't seem to cover all the parameters

[old orchid]

well some are really straight forward

Special damage reduction at start literally means Light Screen on entry

[hushed burrow]

No like physical Dmg increase

But by how much

Finally done

1.5k mm but eh

[old orchid]

https://x.com/pomatools/status/1533705563485478912 here

PoMaTools (@pomatools) on X

Round 3. Use physical attack moves against opponents with low Defense!
Physical Moves will get a x1.3 damage boost.

Twitter · Jun 6, 2022, 7:01 AM

[hushed burrow]

Thanks

[grand trout]

When was the last time we had kalos?

[sharp willow]

April

[idle warren]

Could this team work?

Ok well it worked so, nvm

[rapid osprey]

and now for the easy part

im thinking karen or will 1, the rest no strong opinion

[fading cradle]

kalos is tomorrow

i did not miss this stadium at all and i cannot wait for it to leave

[rapid osprey]

for the people who do themed csmm clears

has anyone done a 'all teams of the same pokemon'

[gleaming jolt]

It is possible

[clever bronze]

I’m still used to reset being at 2 am

[keen jasper]

Here we go

[rapid osprey]

i set a reminder alarm specifically so i didnt forget lmao

[keen jasper]

No half sync

[rapid osprey]

im so sorry

[keen jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-19787475173016375

[swift swan]

updated, kalos time babyyy

[keen jasper]

NVM

[clever bronze]

I booted up pmex at 11:53 pm

Had a bad day

Did rally at least

What was the coin in johto?

[rapid osprey]

strike

i get a week off of csmm to work on my medal

[fading cradle]

AND FUCK KALOS

[rapid osprey]

hello melissa dfjkdgfjhk

[fading cradle]

hi

fuck kalos

[rapid osprey]

do i usually go for 15 week 1

yes

am i going for 12 at best and more likely 9 for kalos

also yes

[fading cradle]

my kalos medal is incomplete from the last time kalos was around

i gotta finish it…i gotta

[rapid osprey]

wait

doesnt it

reset

[fading cradle]

I HATE KALOS CS

[fading cradle]

no

i still have my medal progress saved

[rapid osprey]

huh

i couldve sworn you had the group of weeks and if you didnt complete it it reset

til

[fading cradle]

nope it doesn’t

oh my god, the teams i used back in april. F

[rapid osprey]

dfjkdfgjh

oh how the turntables

when unova next cycles in i can show you the scuffed shit i cleared with way back when

[brisk oriole]

I thought you have cleared it within 10 min of reset

[fading cradle]

nah, afternoon isn’t my reset time period anyways

[brisk oriole]

Crush them this time round.

[fading cradle]

medal complete. and i stand by the fact that i hate electric weak siebold. and what is ghost weak wikstrom’s problem????

[undone ether]

i hate you Diantha 😦

[true bloom]

It's hard af

[keen jasper]

Ghost-weak Wikstrom? He has no problem as long as you have SSR Cynthia and SS Korrina

[keen jasper]

How much points?

3k or higher?

[stoic pawn]

3k

[true bloom]

Oh wow nice solo!

[stoic pawn]

Parameters, status and panels
Lucky skill is CS2.
Battle rule is 3rd.

[versed meteor]

Kalos, time to suffer

[trail smelt]

Could have sworn I had more trouble with rock weak Malva last time but oh well

Done

Ready for next week

[vernal badger]

I am struggling even without Master Mode lol

This shits so much harder than last Montag

[hushed burrow]

rip

why does he have so much hp 😭

also why does he have so many skills

[undone ether]

Water weak Siebold?

[hushed burrow]

ghost weak wikstor

why does drasna have buffed hp

even electric weak siebold

this kalos CS seems so annoying 😭

especially for me who doesnt have enough sync pairs for this

WHY DOES EVERYONE EXCEPT MALVA HAVE INCREASED HP

[clear breach]

Now I gotta wait next week 😞

[hushed burrow]

what team did u use?

why does everyone but malva have increased hp??

[undone ether]

Kalos is like, very hard considering the rest of the regional champion stadium....

so do your best 😦

[vernal badger]

Any help for round 4 wikstrom?

[supple reef]

you just need to debuff aggressively, he can’t do much if he doesn’t have raised stats. I can’t advise more than that without seeing a roster

[vernal badger]

What debuffs exactly

[supple reef]

all of them

he has Rising Tide and Smart Cookie so prioritizing defensive debuffs, but he also has offensive buffs

[vernal badger]

So I should lower sp def, lower atk and lower sp atk?

[supple reef]

He has both defensive entry skills, so 2 defense, 2 spdef, and depending on which form he uses his TM in either double that or 3 attack would be the minimum debuffs needed to shut down his multipliers. His first status move also gives him a 5-stat omnibuff

[hushed burrow]

ok but why do they have increased hp?

[supple reef]

because they’re base parameters, DeNA can do whatever they want with those

[vernal badger]

But how am I supposed to win against this

He already killed me when I lowered his stats then

[supple reef]

the round parameter does not change how you play the fight at all

[hushed burrow]

ok

[supple reef]

it’s debuff him and hit him hard regardless

[hushed burrow]

i thought the base stats were common for all

[supple reef]

Get him to sync in shield form, that cuts his offenses in half compared to blade form and should help keep you alive

[hushed burrow]

when does he go in shield form

[supple reef]

when he uses King’s Shield, so if you’re having trouble handling the sync you need to force him to use status moves ahead of when he usually does

[fading cradle]

none

[silver dirge]

Real helpful advice

[undone ether]

honestly, i was trying to clear him with ssr cynthia, sonia and summer gardenia

then just noticed the sides hitting sonia for some itchy damage.

i regrouped and used Arc Steven 1R, almost died on my 2nd attempt cuz got late on summer gardenia debuffing him like mad.

[vernal badger]

Okay idk what I did but I somehow beat him

Still thanks for the advice

Let's see if I can take on the champ

[undone ether]

gl~

anyways, i think i should rerun my anti Malva team

i tried to fight her, but forgot that Selene (Alkt) was a Special Attacker.. so i just couldn't do damage, i presync'd with her, and destroyed malva.
(Elio (alt) died though ooof)

[hushed burrow]

ur sync pairs survive????????

im not sure i can even do hard mode let alone master mode

[old orchid]

Kalos CS is on a whole different level

You must counter their gimmicks

[hushed burrow]

seems like anime level difficulty

after all megasgo crazy

[vernal badger]

Champion was easy

[hushed burrow]

well lets hope gloria alt can carry diantha

[fading cradle]

kalos cs is scaring me already

[stoic pawn]

Can SS Emmet & Eelektross defeat Siebold solo?
I tried …

[true bloom]

さすが

[keen jasper]

Well, Siebold's fight is attuned more towards to SST Red

[stoic pawn]

Yes.
SS Emmet is busy flinching with thunder fang.
And lacking of gauge and no margin of synchro move.

[sick inlet]

beautiful

[rapid osprey]

alr lets do medal math

wikstrom: ghost
malva: rock
drasna: dragon
siebold: electric
diantha: flying

so that leaves me with normal, fire, water, grass, ice, fighting, poison, ground, psychic, bug, dark, and steel, with next week being fighting, dark, psychic*, bug*, and steel

ofc its two weeks of rock weak when my rock roster is ass but

wikstrom can be ssr cyn; can pair with brycen for haze and then whatever +def supp depending on where i use other types

malva wants weather; could go arc cyn for ground or may for water

drasna needs -spdef, so sygna hilbert can go there; pairing with cyrus seems fine?

and siebold needs para which is easy; will prob go elesa since shes my elec strike ex

i wont be able to use blue bc i'll need to bring darach to clear crit shield on diantha, so that will be a wrinkle

or i could just pre-sync her

but

hm actually, maybe we go with a sygna red team for malva since fire doesnt really fit elsewhere?

ig next week on diantha fire isnt the worst but

oh. i have my types wrong lmao

wikstrom: ssr cyn, brycen, dawn [ghost, ice, grass]
malva: sygna red, redlax, lana [fire, normal, water]
drasna: sygna hilbert, cyrus, supp [bug, dragon, ?]
siebold: elesa, colress, supp [elec, steel, ?]
diantha: blue/darach [flying, ?, ?]

my options for raising both defenses are ssa cyn and bp olivia of my remaining types; does ssa cyn having imperv block slomo reducing other teammates' speed from siebold?

[fading cradle]

electric weak siebold making me wish i had nc blue, kalos stadium is evil

[rapid osprey]

real

its ok he'll re-cycle soon and then we'll have our boy,,,,,

😭

[fading cradle]

destroy kalos stadium

[vague solar]

Glad I have an easy run this week to fill out the type thingy

Ghost weak wikstrom would be a nightmare

• rock malva

[fading cradle]

i stand by the fact that i despise electric weak siebold

[sharp willow]

kalos be like that

[fading cradle]

take all of my suffering away and give it to the kalos e4

[sharp willow]

i at least enjoyed making Malva explode with Alt Selene, that was nice

[vague solar]

This is csmm right?

[fading cradle]

yeah

[vague solar]

Wait what makes siebold hard

[fading cradle]

idek what supports i have left for piers, his tm only raising his spatk by 2 ranks is painful

[fading cradle]

it’s just a lasting grudge i have against him from april

[vague solar]

Valid

[sharp willow]

being electric weak is basically a ticket to being really strong these days

for this fight specifically, he has naturally boosted offense stats, the highest HP possible and a dps increasing passive

[vague solar]

Oh gotcha, so its a stat diff

[sharp willow]

he hits real hard basically, yeah

[fading cradle]

man

he and wikstrom make me not want to do cs this week

and FUCK KALOS

[sharp willow]

bunch of other passives as well but i don't find most of those impactful at all, unless you're trying to off-type anyway

[vague solar]

Arc Lance off-type my beloved

[fading cradle]

secondary effects always happen whenever it’s the opponent but my volkner who literally has hostile environment can’t do shit 🫠🫠🫠

[sharp willow]

healthy advantage can be annoying off-type

[vague solar]

I bet gen pool Elesa + arc Steven could do something

Depends on the round tho

[fading cradle]

siebold really wants a status condition this week huh

[sharp willow]

he has damage reduction if you dont

[fading cradle]

paralyze him volkner. PARALYZE HIM.

🫠🫠🫠🫠

[sharp willow]

SS Piers doesn't really care though

piercing blows

[fading cradle]

i’m starting to think about raising ss piers’ move level but i only have enough coins for 1 strike candy

[sharp willow]

i would not recommend candying a character just for CS

[fading cradle]

i probably won’t candy piers until i have enough for 3/5, so for now i just gotta roll with 1/5 🫠

screw electric weak siebold!!!!!!!!

[gleaming jolt]

Try playing with (changing) your parameters Melissa, works for me when I am stuck in CSMM!

It's all rng bullshit

[fading cradle]

idek what to change them to

[gleaming jolt]

Like Replace Atk, Strength params with HP Params, Healing at beginning or something like that

[brisk oriole]

Siebold did be a menace for some time

[gleaming jolt]

I guess you can try replace Volkner for another electric DD and select the 150 points wtz param

[fading cradle]

my electric roster is kinda ass though ☠️ idk who else to substitute

[gleaming jolt]

Offtype?

Is siebold a physical attacker or special?

I would try debuffing his relative attack in that case

[rapid osprey]

mixed

[gleaming jolt]

[rapid osprey]

main is phys but has solid spec coverage

yeah 😔

[gleaming jolt]

Maybe debuffing his SpDed can help!

Mb AS Steven is already there!

[swift swan]

well hey, you got close

who syncs? if it's a 1/5 ss piers, then you're better off nuking with volkner

[fading cradle]

yeah it’s piers i’ll probably try with volkner then

[fading cradle]

woo

[brisk oriole]

Nice, now to sweep the rest of the stadium.

[fading cradle]

welp i’m onto wikstrom now for r3 :,D i’m already scared of this man, idek if this can cheese him like they did in previous ghost weak stages

[old orchid]

If the team couldn't pre sync you either adjust the params or bring a hazer in Irida's place

[swift swan]

volkner has a good nuke! and considering siebold has bulky HP, you'd want a tech nuker. ss piers can help handle the sides

i know strike nukes are valuable in CS where the sides can be a threat, but tech nukes are still very worth considering, especially since you brought two damage dealers, technically

[keen jasper]

Brave of you to take Siebold using special DDs

[thorny wind]

Does crit bypass this

[keen jasper]

Non't

[hushed burrow]

Yes

[thorny wind]

Perfect

[left storm]

Screens are ignored through crits yes

[thorny wind]

I cannot believe this worked

[left storm]

Rock weak Malva is a joke

17k base hp is pitful

[hushed burrow]

for me its still painful

do it with all parameters

[keen jasper]

I mean, which damage dealer did you use?

[left storm]

I soloed her with 1/5 "yet to get exr" SS diantha last rotation

[fading cradle]

trust me it wasn’t easy

[thorny wind]

I'm curious, were you able to save a vid or screenshot (params) for this? I have her but I was set on using Emmet because I rarely use him lol

[left storm]

I just bumped offence to max and resetted for no early attacks iirc

[thorny wind]

I guess this means no Flare Blitz ever

I tried eggmon duo but I got offed by one single Flare Blitz lmao. Only when I was using Elio I realized I can technically reset for it

[gleaming jolt]

Done!

[true bloom]

No electric striker for siebold?

[gleaming jolt]

I don't have anyone Exed yet

[true bloom]

[gleaming jolt]

ExR Iono is my only electric striker!

[true bloom]

Try with BP Sophocles, he's pretty neat.
I cleared 3k with him before but on prev CS

[gleaming jolt]

I know but since I never needed one after I got good off-typing pairs, I don't bother anymore!

And DC doesn't inspire me to invest in electric pairs!

[true bloom]

True, save your resources

[thorny wind]

CS done with my favorite Johto units: Ethan, Silver, and Cynthia

[hushed burrow]

there is an imposter among us

(HGSS doesnt count)

[thorny wind]

They all look trustworthy to me

[gleaming jolt]

Today I noticed that if we use the same character in the last battle, it displays only one of them!

In the Hall of Fame screen

[thorny wind]

Yep

It happened once and I was confused

[hushed burrow]

wdym

[left storm]

Yeah when you use MC for all the fights you can have a 1 character podium

[gleaming jolt]

Only NC Cheren showed up on the Hall of fame screen, Cheren and Lodge Cheren were replaced by Rei and Colress

[hushed burrow]

not sure what u mean

no mf for wikstrom

#justiceforwikstrom

[gleaming jolt]

I forgot to screenshot it!
And I don't wanna do the battle again for that!

This screen #1009554906568462476 message Yukure shared is Hall of Fame screen and it should display the last team against Champion, but in my case it displayed NC Cheren, Rei and Colress because I used the same character Cheren!

[hushed burrow]

ok that

[gleaming jolt]

I didn't even notice that I used MFs in other battles! Lol

That is my go to Ghost team

[fading cradle]

i still don’t wanna fight ghost weak wikstrom

kill me

[true bloom]

Eliooooo also nice clear with Ethan and Silver XD
Didn't know they could duo

[thorny wind]

It was kind of hard lol

[gleaming jolt]

That's close!

[thorny wind]

I thought this run was dead but that Aeroblast crit with +0 crit buff

[robust barn]

I'm doing something wrong on Diantha stage because she keeps beating me

[gleaming jolt]

What team are you using?

You need a speed and Def buffer like Skyla

For support

[fading cradle]

i ended up not even needing leaf’s sync 🧍‍♀️🧍‍♀️🧍‍♀️🧍‍♀️🧍‍♀️🧍‍♀️

[gleaming jolt]

Attacker with support ExR sync is always better than a support

But you synced with Irida only I think

Her dps is also nice anyways

[fading cradle]

🥴🥴🥴🥴 (kill electric weak siebold)

[keen jasper]

Because electric-weak too easy

[fading cradle]

that’s something i wouldn’t say knowing i had a grudge against his electric weak stage since april

[brisk oriole]

The revenge has been finished

[robust barn]

I'm using her, it's most likely the parameters (have been trying PreSync without success).
Will give a Post sync set-up a try

[swift swan]

what's your full team?

[final sundial]

So how long it took y'all to beat the hard stadium the first time ?

[old orchid]

Back when i was new i didn't touch the game mode until Johto CS's release because i was not confident with my current roster at that time, so probably around ~3 months for me to motivate myself to clear it for the first time. And no one was there to guide me through the basics

But it's not the same for you. Don't hesitate to ask here for help, helpers and other players will gladly help you out

[hushed burrow]

well after i got 3 really good pokefairs, they essentially carried me

so around 20 days after starting

[karmic zephyr]

About a month I'd say. But I only managed to do it with the help from people here. I had no clue how to build teams and Cobalt really helped me a lot to understand vital things about the game!

[final sundial]

Yeah I started 2 days ago I'm far from there, but I did just beat ho-oh 6

[karmic zephyr]

I definitely wouldn't expect to clear hard mode 2 days after I started! One step at a time! Clear story, do victory road, small steps!

[final sundial]

I did clear most of legendary story and all of vilain arc I'm currently working on getting all of my 5 stars gridded and at least 140 for now

[karmic zephyr]

I would totally advise you to go easy on your resources. They're plenty but not unlimited!

[final sundial]

For sure, also how important are type gears and how much should I invest in them ?

[karmic zephyr]

Not that important for a new player

[supple reef]

You can clear most content without gear at all. Unless you want to commit to the massive time slog that is maxing type gear, I’d just avoid it now and focus on skill gear instead for harder content

[final sundial]

Perfect cause I was grinding that shit a lot today

[hushed burrow]

The only time u should be grinding type gear imo is pm day

[hushed burrow]

Level 120 should be enough for the most part

[final sundial]

Including hard e4 ?

[fading cradle]

i only touched cs 5 months after i reinstalled the game since i was too cowardly to attempt it. by then my roster had only somewhat developed and i had no good team building skills so it did take a me a bit in each stage to win

[fading cradle]

yes, 120-125 should be enough, above that isn’t too much of a strength difference plus you’ll be able to save those level manuals for other sync pairs

[sick inlet]

Nop
You get 2 from your previous stages
(Idk if someone already answered)

[sick inlet]

This new name I love it

[toxic cobalt]

Takes as many manuals to get a unit from 120 to 130 as it does to get it from 1 to 120 or something like that

[toxic cobalt]

Don’t forget Skyla & Swanna

[final sundial]

I was actually looking into want Skyla was busted thx for the tips I kept reading Skyla but not the swanna part

[robust barn]

yup, it was the parameters

after making some changes with the suggestions from Arch's pin, was able to get it pre-sync

wasn't using any Techs, zones, I had a lot of free points for the taking and had a lot of points on Damage that was making me die too early!!

did it with Skyla, Nate (Sync nuke grid) and Redlax

[swift swan]

No way a Nate user

[analog fog]

looks like i cannot attach images, @stuck dagger

[stuck dagger]

omegaoof, no perms

maybe just describe what you did

what teams are you using, what move levels, what levels

[analog fog]

lv135 colress&klinklang, lv140 hop&zamazenta, lv140Elesa&Zebstrika vs Siebold, spatk down

move levels 1 1 2

[stuck dagger]

oof, there's your reason

[supple reef]

5/5 hop is free, go get that

[stuck dagger]

your pairs are just too weak, especially with those move levels
5/5 hop is free but the rest you;d need to play more

[analog fog]

ok, so basically a character’s link level is crucial, and you can’t do hard content without

[stuck dagger]

it depends on the pairs

generally i'd say the older the pair was first released, the more reliant they are on the move levels

[supple reef]

Hop just has so many important grid tiles locked behind 3/5 that having 1/5 only is a huge blow

[stuck dagger]

and yeah

especially for units like hop and elesa

those REALLY need 3/5

[analog fog]

yeah the damage is just too low

[stuck dagger]

but please dont go out of your way to get them to 3/5

it's not worth it

[analog fog]

but the game doesn’t tell you anywhere

[stuck dagger]

doesnt help the kalos cs is the hardest one

[supple reef]

other than hop of course which you can finish his legendary adventure right now and exchange the rest of the items

If the damage output is low, I'd recommend poison stalling or even offtyping instead

[analog fog]

i tried but the only thing that pierces elite four is my Serena&Zygarde

it’s just a paywall then

good to know

[stuck dagger]

or rather a playing wall

[supple reef]

it absolutely is not, 15k master mode, even in kalos, can be completed f2p with the right time and resource investments

[mellow linden]

CS doesn’t require any limited pairs

[stuck dagger]

Yep it doesn't

[analog fog]

it does require leveling up the moves, though, right?

[stuck dagger]

The problem is that he just has no investment even im his free pairs, but from there i can't really help him

[mellow linden]

Depends on the Sync Pair

[supple reef]

every f2p pair can have their move levels increased just through pulling them in tickets, or for story pairs the move candies from clearing event BCs

[mellow linden]

Nessa + Drednaw? Not really. Elesa + Zebstrika? Yeah, due to how her kit works

[supple reef]

if you're only at 2/5 Elesa with no limited electric type damage dealers, then you're just at offtyping at this point

[analog fog]

I’ve been playing for a week, so there’s no off-typing that really works better than that

considering i can use Serena in one slot only

[left storm]

And most of the gen pools will eventually end up being at 3/5 within a year of playing without needing to invest resources into them just by pulling tickets and banners

[left storm]

Stalling can clear 2 stages at 2k strength easily

You don't need to do 15k anyway

[supple reef]

Cyrus should be able to clear Drasna, right?
but poison stall is accessible with just BP pairs

[left storm]

As rewards past 10k are meager

[supple reef]

I believe this is just a hard mode clear unless I'm mistaken

[analog fog]

correct!

[left storm]

Ah

[supple reef]

do you have BP Erika?

[left storm]

Hard mode is pretty much clearable with bps yea

[analog fog]

what does BP stand for?

[left storm]

Battle Points

[supple reef]

she's a pair you can exchange Battle Point tickets for

[analog fog]

oh ok!

[supple reef]

also no need to ping me, I'm right here

[analog fog]

and sorry, i am used to reply to avoid confusion

[supple reef]

as long as you have a pair who inflicts bad poison, someone to debuff opponents' offenses, and someone to keep your team alive congrats you have a poison stall team

[left storm]

Here's where you check your progress

For BPs

You exchange them in the exchange -> BP menu

[analog fog]

and you get them how?

[supple reef]

daily region rotation primarily

[left storm]

Doing daily stages

Events

And so on

[analog fog]

alrighty! the league can wait

[left storm]

We get 2500~ battle points per month

[analog fog]

i just wish the game was more clear on the fact it’s basically endgame

[supple reef]

CS is very far from endgame

[left storm]

^

It's pretty much midgame

[supple reef]

it's like, your transition into midgame

[analog fog]

well it’s just after early game, 3 days

[left storm]

Yeah, it's easily accessible

[supple reef]

early game is a little bit longer than 3 days

[left storm]

Because technically it's clearable

Even on day 3

But you need knowledge and a good enough roster

Which isn't always something new players will have in the first week

[supple reef]

the free starting roster nowadays is good enough, because back in my day the LA pairs weren't available, tickets didn't exist, and half the scout pool hadn't been added yet

[left storm]

Yep

[analog fog]

idk! i really find myself walled by just damage numbers

[left storm]

Also BPs were much worse

It's just that Kalos is an especially unfortunate rotation to start on

Still, you're not missing out on much right now, you just need to gather more info on how the game works

And in a week or so you'll probably have already a better understanding of how the game goes

[analog fog]

but then again, i know how the system works

i am an engineer, studied the system with an expert, unlocked what there was to unlock, organized a team by requirements, by roles, followed a proper rotation

if the content walls you with that, it’s usually a wall that depends on builds or character roster

[toxic cobalt]

CS does not wall on rosters it walls on skill

Although you can brute force it with some pairs for sure

[analog fog]

i can’t agree on that!

[toxic cobalt]

Up to you what you agree with, but this is a very old and very well understood game format

[mellow linden]

Even for Kalos CS Hard Mode isn’t that bad

[left storm]

I mean, hard mode has really not that impressive of a stat load, you could record a try with a team you got close to winning with and send it here

[analog fog]

sure

[mellow linden]

Should be able to clear with mostly 3- and 4-stars just fine

[stuck dagger]

well maybe not send it but give an idea

[left storm]

Hard mode is made especially for "newer accounts"

[stuck dagger]

(he doesnt have the privs to send images here apparently)

[left storm]

Well discord also hugely limits amount of mb sent

[analog fog]

i will publish it on youtube

[left storm]

But streamable exists

Or yt

[toxic cobalt]

Just tell us the team

[analog fog]

it makes for good content

[mellow linden]

They somehow don’t have trainer role

[left storm]

@ mods

[mellow linden]

Fortunately there’s a mod right here who should be able to get that fixed for ya (or at least contact whoever can)

[analog fog]

i think that the onboarding bugged

gave me three trainer roles, then rolled back

[mellow linden]

Just in case a ping is needed

[hushed burrow]

I thought the trainer roles were given based on activity

[mellow linden]

Ace Trainer and Rising Star are

The regular Trainer role should be automatic upon joining server

But sometimes it bugs out

[hushed burrow]

Ah ok

[left storm]

Yeah it can happen

[analog fog]

yup

[hushed burrow]

He should just have to go to channels and roles to fix that

Just unselecting the options and reselecting should work

[hushed burrow]

At the top

[analog fog]

test

[hushed burrow]

On mobile atleast

[analog fog]

nope, activated everything

[stuck dagger]

poggers

[hushed burrow]

U do have the trainer roles btw

[mellow linden]

You have the role

Weird

[analog fog]

oh wait it’s fixed indeed

[hushed burrow]

I think u might need rising star for it

[stuck dagger]

he now has the role

[mellow linden]

Ah

[analog fog]

there you go then

[stuck dagger]

there we go

[hushed burrow]

Ncie

[mellow linden]

So the first thing I notice there

[stuck dagger]

oh god it's worse than i thought

[hushed burrow]

Or maybe it's for the lounge

[brisk oriole]

Now, to utilize the power of the veterans.

[hushed burrow]

Elesa just oofs herself

[mellow linden]

With a 2/5 Elesa you generally don’t wanna click Wild Charge, and you want to grid Inertia and have a Speed buffer on the team

[stuck dagger]

he put his tech on the first target when you should only do supports

[toxic cobalt]

Oof

[mellow linden]

Also yeah, Hop should be 1st target in Tactics

[hushed burrow]

He clearly just didn't change the tactics

[toxic cobalt]

1/5 Hop

[analog fog]

no, i have Zamazenta as a target

[mellow linden]

Also go 5/5 and 20/20 your Legendary Adventures pairs

[stuck dagger]

Ypur tactics priority is colress > hop > elesa

[mellow linden]

+legexchange

[frozen depot]

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• Trade the vouchers for copies of that pair (in the shop > legendary adventure tab)
• DO NOT TRADE the power-ups, use all 20 on the unlocked pair (in upgrade > potential tab)
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[analog fog]

don’t i?

[stuck dagger]

that means colress gets attacked first

look at the numbers next to the position names

[analog fog]

oh, right, i tried both

(to see if either worked)

they both tank because colress buffs his own defenses pretty high

[mellow linden]

Hop is a much better tank

[left storm]

Here's the problems

[stuck dagger]

hop is a better tank because he's of a role dedicated to tanking

[mellow linden]

They can’t EX their Hop without the event

[left storm]

Oh right

But 20/20

[mellow linden]

Not that they need him EX for just Hard Mode anyway

[left storm]

Still is huge

[toxic cobalt]

Please don’t tell new players to EX Hop.

[stuck dagger]

even without EX he still should get 5/5 Hop

[left storm]

I forgot event is needed to ex him

[mellow linden]

But yeah, already covered 5/5 and 20/20 Legendary Adventures pairs

[left storm]

My b

[hushed burrow]

Is it just because of the events?

[left storm]

(still a very stupid thing)

[left storm]

Yeah

[analog fog]

i know that Hop is a tank and ofc i tried Hop first

gets some free move if he tanks

[toxic cobalt]

Yeah they literally can’t do it

[analog fog]

still abysmal damage

[hushed burrow]

What makes something a good tank aside from the stats, cuz on the face of it it seems like colress is a good tank

[stuck dagger]

that's because hop isn't supposed to do damage

[left storm]

He also gets halved damage from full hp hit

[mellow linden]

Hop’s personal damage is irrelevant

[left storm]

^

[stuck dagger]

he's tank, tank, tank

[mellow linden]

90+% of Supports’ personal damage doesn’t matter

[stuck dagger]

more like 95%

no you dont count iono and eri

[toxic cobalt]

(Although Hop can do damage, suspect the buffs aren’t being used)

[hushed burrow]

I was just about to say eri xd

[analog fog]

yup! i am just saying that to justify switching the pair

[mellow linden]

You shouldn’t need to swap out Hop

[hushed burrow]

Most of the new supports seem to do decent Dmg

[stuck dagger]

there's no point to justify it because hop is just objectively superior

[mellow linden]

Just go 5/5 and 20/20 him with the stuff you got from Legendary Adventures

[stuck dagger]

at tanking

[mellow linden]

Follow this

[left storm]

Anyway, hop + elesa is fine

I'd probably either add a second electric unit over colress or switch him for Skyla for speed buffs and fill in defence and more potions maybe

[analog fog]

Skyla is a good idea!

[left storm]

Because of the fact elesa only had sync + spark for DPS

[hushed burrow]

Spark is decent for dps???

[left storm]

So you either increase your output through another electric unit (which are not common on new accounts usually) or dump in all on heals and sync

[left storm]

It's bad but for hard mode it's fine

[hushed burrow]

Id say hau might be better than elesa

[left storm]

I've beaten EBEs with spark DPS

[toxic cobalt]

This missed the best thing to do, which is to introduce disruption

[mellow linden]

It’s not great, but this is Hard Mode and Elesa can’t use Wild Charge at 2/5 or she’ll just die

[analog fog]

Colress should do that

[hushed burrow]

I feel like hau might just be a better option

[analog fog]

def down and paralysis

[mellow linden]

So gridding her for Inertia and having Sync be the main source of damage is the way to go with a 2/5 Elesa

[hushed burrow]

What about a 1/5 elesa cuz that's what I have :p

[left storm]

Sure, but what can a new account do to disrupt anyway, most of the sleepers need troublemaker or copies

[toxic cobalt]

Neither of those disrupt

[toxic cobalt]

No they don’t

[left storm]

Ok can I get a name then

[toxic cobalt]

Literally any sleeper

[left storm]

Aside Serena

[analog fog]

i agree, but still, the damage never reached a decent amount even with crit 3 atk 4 def -6 sync, which is weird

[left storm]

???

[hushed burrow]

What is disruption?

[left storm]

Are you really recommending to bring elio and melony with low copies and no ex

[mellow linden]

Stick with Hau or grab BP Sophocles until you get her at least 2/5

[mellow linden]

Did you grid Inertia and have her at +6 Speed?

[toxic cobalt]

Flinch sleep freeze, anything that makes the opponent miss its turns

[analog fog]

status effects that impair the opponent, it looks like

[hushed burrow]

Alr

[hushed burrow]

Can't para also do that?

And confusion?

[toxic cobalt]

What is this EX obsession

[left storm]

Because 45% sing accuracy sucks

[analog fog]

checking!

[toxic cobalt]

No, they don’t skip turns

[supple reef]

Para can make the opponent miss, but they still take their turn which is exactly what disruption intends to not do

[toxic cobalt]

Opponent still ticks down

[hushed burrow]

Ah

[left storm]

I'm still not really believing you're recommending 45% sing RNG to a newbie

[toxic cobalt]

I’m recommending 30% flinch

[left storm]

Yeesh

[toxic cobalt]

You literally only need one to work and you get the double sync

[hushed burrow]

Or quad queue right

[left storm]

One to work on a non buffing turn

To be precise

[toxic cobalt]

Yeah but Hop

[hushed burrow]

?

[hushed burrow]

U have 3 non buffing turns

[toxic cobalt]

Hop can prevent quadqueue because of his ability

[mellow linden]

Hop has a chance to mess up quadqueue due to Freevenge

[hushed burrow]

Ah

What if u sync with elesa

[mellow linden]

Doesn’t matter

[toxic cobalt]

Not to do with your sync, it’s the opponent hitting Hop

[left storm]

Hop has adrenaline for meager price of 149 orbs

[supple reef]

Hop's anti-quadqueue is a reactionary passive

[hushed burrow]

Ah ok

[left storm]

Like

[toxic cobalt]

Don’t grid hop for adrenaline lol why would you sync with him

[hushed burrow]

He doesn't have ex

[mellow linden]

Yeah, Adrenaline tile on Hop isn’t great unless he’s EXd

[hushed burrow]

So that would be useless

[analog fog]

can’t find the Inertia skill on the grid

[supple reef]

it's right next to a sync power tile in the top right

[left storm]

Well, still think recommending stagger is wrong

[mellow linden]

Yellow tile, specifically

[analog fog]

ok, it was up!

[mellow linden]

But probably not +6 Speed since your only source of Speed buffs is Fast-Track 2 and Electric weak Siebold can debuff Speed

Actually

[hushed burrow]

Blue tiles are stat buffs
Yellow are active stills / condtionals
Green and power buffs
Red are passive skills
Right?

[mellow linden]

Seeing as Elesa gets Critical Eye at 2/5, do you have Sonia, perchance?

[analog fog]

no, i don’t think so!

[mellow linden]

Ah, unfortunate

[hushed burrow]

Is Sonia gen pool?

[gleaming jolt]

Yes

[hushed burrow]

Why Sonia tho

[mellow linden]

She can provide some Attack buffs and counteract Siebold’s Speed debuffs (plus depending on Move Level can also further buff Speed with Spark Team Fast-Track)

Electric weak Siebold is basically designed for Sonia to do really well as the Support

[hushed burrow]

Hmm

[mellow linden]

I suppose Skyla can work as the tank anyway

Since Critical Eye can handle Elesa’s crit buffs

And X Attack her Attack buffs

[analog fog]

i deal cap 3000 and surf wipes my team

[analog fog]

yeah i have a similar rotation!

[toxic cobalt]

Go get that win then

Bring the barnacle down

[analog fog]

still not working!

[hushed burrow]

The fact that hop is doing more dmg

[hushed burrow]

Maybe u didn't grid hop

[analog fog]

checking!

[analog fog]

and there you go

[left storm]

Hop is definitely underrated damage wise

Esp with SEUN

[toxic cobalt]

Hop damage was killed by 2.5k

[left storm]

Nah

I used Kiawe DPS at 3k

If kiawe can DPS, so can hop

[toxic cobalt]

Uh yes he can dps but he doesn’t damage as support now

[left storm]

Wdym "doesn't damage as support"

[toxic cobalt]

Gets blocked by the ontype parameter

[left storm]

I mean sure

Not like you can easily do 3k offtype

After all

[left storm]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/14900/10501?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBggKDRMWGRocHyIkJSYnKg

Most based kiawe setup ever

Bro has NO flame charge tiles

3 of them isn't good chat

But hey it did cook fire weak aaron

[toxic cobalt]

But how does it compare to nuke Skyla?

[left storm]

She's ass

I actually used Kiawe as second choice

My initial pick as Marley

Because inertia native

Alas

She's dog shit

260 base atk, no atk tiles, no multiplier, no self setup, no debuffing

[toxic cobalt]

Gotta burn, that’s how I strike with Marley

[left storm]

Yeah that's all she does

Be a gimmick checker and anti gimmick with her shield

She deserved more

Another support people forget about the damage is ssblue

His sync is meh because of tax even with native

But his DPS is still great

[analog fog]

Happy ending: I won on a draw

My Zebstrika hit itself but the opponent counts as downed first

[brisk oriole]

[open solstice]

is there any decent water types here aside from ss kris and ss blue

that can at least beat an e4 stage? (good striker needed)

[old orchid]

SS Kris + May + Cyrus is a great Water core

[open solstice]

what about hilbert or nessa

[mellow linden]

Hilbert’s a Support, not a damage-dealer

Nessa’s good. If it’s high point value Master Mode she might want more Move Levels, but for just Hard Mode 1/5 is more than enough

[old orchid]

For supports their typings don't matter

[open solstice]

is nessa better than cyrus?

[mellow linden]

Given that you have SS Kris and she buffs special damage-dealers way more than physical ones, not really

Unless you need to use Cyrus elsewhere

[open solstice]

is any of the legendary adventures mon good for the e4?

the striker ones

[mellow linden]

They all range from decent to amazing

So depending on the stage and specific pair, yeah

Btw, if you just need Water for type medal then SS Kris supporting any special damage-dealer who isn’t reliant on Hail/Sun/Sandstorm will do the job just fine

Don’t need to force off-type if on-typing would be easier for you

[karmic zephyr]

For next week's Drasna, do I need a support that removes status conditions? Or a poison immune

[mellow linden]

She doesn’t do a teamwide Poison until right before she Syncs. Given how absurdly powerful Psychic is as a type, it’s unlikely you’d need anything other than maybe resetting if she gets an early Poison Tail Poison on your tank

Alternatively you can give your tank Antitoxin to stop both that and the Go Viral Toxic

[karmic zephyr]

Okay. That's good to know

I was gonna go with SS Steven. I'll see what I can do with that.

Here are the teams I brainstormed.

Wikstorm: NC Hop/Rei/SS Morty
Malva: NC Marnie/Oak/NC Bede
Drasna: SS Steven/ARC Steven/SC Steven
Diantha: Anni Lillie/SS Lear/Argenta
Siebold: ARC Cynthia/ Bertha/Chase

I know Chase doesn't necessarily work with Cynthia but my Cynthia is 3/5 so I think she'll be fine. We'll see how that goes

I have a feeling I left an important pair out but I can't remember who 😂

[fading cradle]

i have these teams, i did NOT cook 😭

[karmic zephyr]

Why not? They seem fine to me

[hushed burrow]

should a non pb giovanni be able to handle it?

[hushed burrow]

people have 5 CS teams wow, i just have one and roll with it

and change whenever i need

[mellow linden]

For Hard Mode and low-point value Master Mode yes. For high-point value Master Mode probably still yes as long as you have Psychic Terrain

[hushed burrow]

what is considered low value?

(i am not planning to do over 1.5k anyways)

[mellow linden]

CS demands 5 teams with zero overlapping Sync Pairs

[hushed burrow]

so i think i should be fine without psychic terrain

[mellow linden]

Low-point value is the 850 to ~1500 per stage range

[hushed burrow]

yea ik, but the only reason i see to have 5 teams is if u are preplanning

which im too dumb for

:p

[fading cradle]

all of us need 5 teams

[hushed burrow]

i mean i just change it everyround

cuz it saves in hall of fame regardless

[mellow linden]

Tbh as your roster size increases you’ll likely just have a team for each type anyway

And maybe a couple variants on some types to deal with specific gimmicks

But planning your CS teams, even just a little bit the day you do your clear, is really helpful because it means you’re far less likely to accidentally use a pair that another one of your teams would have gained significant benefits from

[fading cradle]

the teams? they might be fine. the stadium? kalos

[hushed burrow]

hmmm

[mellow linden]

It really doesn’t take a lot to plan your teams, either. Just make sure to read the stage gimmicks via the pomatools link in the pins and ensure your team(s) account for them

[hushed burrow]

i just have 18 teams for 18 types but i never use them cuz events require specific units for bonus anyways

and for CS

uhh

idk

[karmic zephyr]

Does mine look okay?

[hushed burrow]

alr so i should be good for next CS provided i can actually get done with this one

i have not even beat one of them

and i dont have MM unlocked

[mellow linden]

There can probably be improvements here and there, but at a glance I don’t see anything that would cause any of the teams to struggle

[hushed burrow]

ss blue trust

[karmic zephyr]

We will find out tomorrow. I feel confident with my pairs. Because I know their strength!

[karmic zephyr]

No. He's level 1. That's not him.

Planning in advance always helps me. So I can calculate who will be with who and who is left out

[fading cradle]

it’ll get easier once your roster develops. during my early cs days, i didn’t plan them ahead of time and just threw in whatever

[karmic zephyr]

Yes same.

But I found that to be very helpful.

And I feel like for a somewhat new player, my roster looks good!

[nocturne pawn]

doesnt psychic weak have slo-mo

[mellow linden]

Yeah

But whether that’ll be a problem can vary heavily

[nocturne pawn]

yeah i usually ran bianca lucian steven so it wasnt a problem

[timber maple]

I just pulled for zerena so that I could do the drasna champion stadium battle with 3k, but she still does very little damage. I'm using her and lucas (both caked), third slot is zinnia but she doesn't really do anything so I could swap her out for someone else if needed. I'm using the parameters which work fine for every other type, so I'm not sure why drasna's battle is so much more difficult than the rest of them. does she have some sort of gimmick I'm not aware of?

[supple reef]

Are you 1) countering Wise Entry 2, and 2) applying Restrain with Zerena before clicking Core Enforcer?

[brisk oriole]

Using an aoe spdef debuffer , like Lenora/Lucian, might help too.

[old orchid]

Zinnia is a deadweight and that means your team doesn't have a tank

[supple reef]

I did also miss the whole teambuilding issue to be completely fair, building a proper team would go a long way

[timber maple]

no and no

I didn't know how zerena worked

it worked with lenora and restrain, thank you

[vast dome]

not doing this week's stadium

[gleaming jolt]

Last minute rush is hectic!

Try doing it before resets

Days before reset

[fading cradle]

sigh, another week of kalos

[swift swan]

updated

[thorny wind]

Perma Field my beloved

[sharp willow]

Perma field

[fading cradle]

what’s wrong with bug weak siebold dude

[sharp willow]

Max HP + Sentry x2 when the best accessible bug type is Guzma

[fading cradle]

i have sc barry, ex + exr

but he’s 1/5 ☠️

[true bloom]

So Barry gonna be useless in Siebold?

[sharp willow]

Not useless

[true bloom]

[sharp willow]

But harder to make good use of

[true bloom]

Awwww I don't have special bug

[sharp willow]

Sentry x2 would effectively make it as though you're off typing Siebold with him, though you'd be able to use on type parameters the same

[thorny wind]

Sentry Entry

No SC Barry solo then

[sharp willow]

And compounded with his naturally high HP, that can prove problematic

[true bloom]

Hmmmm thinking if I should use Barry or not

[fading cradle]

same, barry is my best bug type damage dealer, i do have the resources to ex guzma though

siebold literally managed to get a sync move in on hard mode, i’m gonna hate this guy in master mode 😭

[sharp willow]

Burgh may prove a better choice for this week, even non EX

Though you'd want to amp him with supports a fair bit

[undone ether]

wooho permafield

[fading cradle]

no seriously what is this

could dena make me hate siebold more than i already do

[undone ether]

they have Sentry Entry x2

use Burgh o.o

[fading cradle]

never have i even invested in that guy

and FUCK SIEBOLD

[undone ether]

[paper summit]

well, a 1/5 pair on a stage that discourages physical moves is not gonna fare amazingly, let alone without being carried by other pairs that can actually boost damage other than just stats

so either use a special bug or just off type with an overall stronger team instead of constantly banging your head against a wall

[fading cradle]

if i had ss hilbert, my life would be so much easier rn

sigh, time to reorganize this entire team once i wake up

[grand trout]

Am i right in remembering Siebold has Sentry Entry x?

[undone ether]

youc an always check pomatools

[sharp willow]

You are

[keen jasper]

No half sync, lame

[brisk oriole]

Permanent Field Effect is always nice.

[brisk oriole]

Yes, x2.

[undone ether]

not quite sure where to use perma fields on though

fighting zone + unova circle
Dark Zone + No Status Buffs for Opponents
or Psychic Terrain hrm

definitely be using steel zone against Diantha though

[trail smelt]

Permanent field effect AKA signing your own death warrant LMAO

I used it on bug

[thorny wind]

If an E4 member is using WTZ, would be an idea to overwrite their own with permanent WTZ

[trail smelt]

Siebold

[thorny wind]

aka Malva

[trail smelt]

Poor Diantha never saw that Iron meteor coming

[thorny wind]

Oh wait

Malva is Dark Weak

[trail smelt]

Yeah

[thorny wind]

I guess Wikstrom or Siebold is the best

Siebold especially to combat Sentry Entry

Assuming the means is there anyway

[trail smelt]

Ready for next week. Hype for ShauntaLass’s debut

[gleaming jolt]

Offtype it!

[hushed burrow]

I forgot to do the previous week's cs

So now I lose 2 weeks of MM rewards inatead of just one

[thorny wind]

Question.

What does this actually do

[old orchid]

the effect of stat debuffs is boosted

[thorny wind]

So if -6 Def/SpD is 1.6 more dmg (I think), the multiplier is greater?

[stoic pawn]

easy

wow

[karmic zephyr]

Is there a reason why Starmie's hp won't go down?

(Siebold)

[unique sand]

Some champion

[hushed burrow]

diantha is one of the weaker champions

[true bloom]

He has Sentry Entry so damage from physical attack is reduced.

Yippie done XD

[karmic zephyr]

That's why I tried to pick a special damage dealer but it still won't work.

Istg it's always the bug weakness I'm struggling with

[gleaming jolt]

Burgh clear!!

[true bloom]

Hmmm maybe it's your parameters or if your unit is already properly invested or not?
Filling sync grid, lucky skill, etc

[true bloom]

Ikr first time I used him

He's not so bad cause he can also lower sp def XD

[gleaming jolt]

I will try to offtype Seibold whenever I do him!

[hushed burrow]

im gonna have to off type

my burgh and lusamine are 1/5

[true bloom]

Why

[hushed burrow]

and i have no guzma

[true bloom]

Ahhh rip yeah I would off type too if my Burgh only 1/5

[gleaming jolt]

Because I want to try SS Serena Offtype!!

Other than that I don't want to invest in Burgh for just one battle

[karmic zephyr]

I've been trying her and at 1/5 (not EX) she doesn't work for me.

If you make her work somehow, let me know!

[hushed burrow]

what stage are u doing?

[karmic zephyr]

Siebold

R4

[hushed burrow]

mm?

[karmic zephyr]

Yes

[hushed burrow]

whats the parametwr

[gleaming jolt]

You need to 3/5, ExR and Ex her, she is an old pair required investment

[karmic zephyr]

Probably that's the reason why I can't clear it but I don't think I've had problem with these parameters in the past

[hushed burrow]

why does the health show up as boosted tho?

[hushed burrow]

i think 3/5 and exr are enough u cant ex after exr :p

[hushed burrow]

whats the R4 parameter i odnt remember

[brisk oriole]

EX Noland needed Burgh's help.

[silver dirge]

You'll often need to change parameters depending on the stage you're facing; it's the most crucial part of MM

[brisk oriole]

PDR is set on both sides.

[hushed burrow]

ok

well idk why i was asking questions, im in no way suitable to help 😅

[karmic zephyr]

I'll figure it out. I'll try other special strikers

[clear breach]

OMG IM SO BLIND

HOW DID I NOT NOTICE THE ICE

Another stadium wasted

😞

I hate my semi colorblindness

[hushed burrow]

big rip

[karmic zephyr]

If I reset and try Siebold in any other round than 4, with a physical striker, do you think it will work?

the physical striker would be ARC Cynthia btw

[left storm]

SEx2 doesn't play around

Especially offtype

[vast dome]

Gonna not play Kalos because 1. taking studies seriously and 2. why are the requirements that specific

[left storm]

Because it's the latest CS

And cs is often too easy for most people

[vast dome]

I ignore the Gauntlet

Because I can't stand planning that much

Hey I just revealed one of my core character flaws

[left storm]

I don't do gauntlet past 11 much

Only for easy rotations

Because deluxe cookies are still a necessity

But I've never gone past 69

Btw, I'm very happy I exed krook

[hushed burrow]

i couldnt even do one stage of gauntlet

[left storm]

He's been a real joy to use

Took 3.5 years for a decent power trip unit to come by

[karmic zephyr]

ah it pains me to read this 😭 so what can I do?

[hushed burrow]

use sp atk

[karmic zephyr]

yeah but my special attackers are all too weak for this apparently

[left storm]

All the times I used 1/5 Marnie with it always ended up with me sighing from how pathetically weak she is

[left storm]

Stall

[karmic zephyr]

I tried and it didn't work

[left storm]

With who

[hushed burrow]

which?

cyrus is a good option

he does alot

[karmic zephyr]

The usual f2p team. Oak/Lucy/ Janine

[hushed burrow]

what does janine do?

i think just use lucy and two tanks

[karmic zephyr]

I tried multiple ones. SS Serena, SC Irida, SS Hilda

[hushed burrow]

try using cyrus and a rain setter

[karmic zephyr]

okay I'll try that

[hushed burrow]

or the dragon cyrus

[karmic zephyr]

I think I only have the dragon cyrus anyway

[hushed burrow]

i mean

the cyrus can do water dps and dragon dps

[karmic zephyr]

oh okay

[left storm]

All those 3 can poison but none has big buffing backbone

Sub one out for a good special tank

Actually

A mixed tank

Sides have EQ and bulldoze

[mellow linden]

BP Morty is kinda the Poison stall tank

[hushed burrow]

use lucy with a tank that can also maybe buff defense

(getting acumen and stoic on lucy might help as well)

[left storm]

Lucy + BP Morty + janine

Definitely should suffice

Mpr galore on Morty

[fading cradle]

oh man, i hate bug weak siebold. it’s definitely an offtype or a stall atp.

though if i stalled, isn’t lucy weak to ground 🥲

[left storm]

She is but with +6 Defs she should be fine

Also BP Erika exists

As alternative

[karmic zephyr]

Look at this. And it was such a good run

[left storm]

I don't get how are you not winning with 3 circles + 2 guaranteed flinches

[karmic zephyr]

Probably because of the parameters

Let me show you

[hushed burrow]

i thought lucy was weak to psychic

[left storm]

Holy shit I just realised I had no gear on

Rofl

[hushed burrow]

if u are having trouble dont select hp/sp def para

[fading cradle]

she is? i always thought she was weak to ground

it’s probably the ub brainrot

[karmic zephyr]

I never do anyway

[hushed burrow]

yea i just checked

she is psychic weak

[karmic zephyr]

very rng but beat them

SC Irida is just it

[gleaming jolt]

Try changing your parameters!

Low Attack high HP

[karmic zephyr]

one of the best pairs I own

And SS Lear B move is always one shot

[fading cradle]

debating who i should use to offtype siebold rn.

theres ss lysandre, nc cheren, and sc irida from my memory

and once again, fuck siebold!

[karmic zephyr]

I'll show you my video with Irida when it decides to upload

SS Lysandre is good but I feel like his setup is very specific

[fading cradle]

if i had a special support, istg

[karmic zephyr]

Do you have SS Brendan?

[mellow linden]

NC Cheren’s probably the best pick of those 3

[left storm]

You have 2 guaranteed flinches

How are you second syncing after thrm

[karmic zephyr]

I triple queue a lot. So even though I have the sync available sometimes, I don't wait and queue another move

[mellow linden]

Proper triple queue means waiting for Sync to be available before you queue more moves on your last set of actions before Sync is available

[fading cradle]

no ☠️

[fading cradle]

even at 1/5?

[mellow linden]

Probably, yeah

[gleaming jolt]

He can clear offtype at 1/5 too

Should be Exed and caked tho

Use a SpDef debuffer like Lodge Cheren to kill center easily

[hushed burrow]

or lucian, if u have gauge problem

[gleaming jolt]

He works too!

[fading cradle]

i was also thinking of using anni skyla for flying zone too

[gleaming jolt]

What will you do for Diantha ?

[hushed burrow]

debuffs atk, sp def, buffs speed, provides time for gauge to refill

pretty good overall

[hushed burrow]

diantha is steel this week no?

[gleaming jolt]

Oh my bad

I am living in the past

[fading cradle]

ah shit

idk which support to use though

most of my best ones are already on other teams

[hushed burrow]

maybe a def and spdef buffer

or a tank

[left storm]

You should save a use of her buddy move as third action to gain 2 turns so you can sync way earlier

[fading cradle]

well here’s all my supports, not sure who fits a team of lucian and nc cheren for siebold offtyping

[karmic zephyr]

You would be surprised by the things I *should * have done in my life but haven't 😂 but thanks for suggesting, as long as I cleared it, I'm okay. Will keep that in mind for next time!

[hushed burrow]

idk

probably ur best bet is a good tank/ sp def and def buffeer

[gleaming jolt]

A flincher like Skyla may buy you some time!

[gleaming jolt]

What's Seibold sync? Physical or special

I haven't watched any clear yet

[hushed burrow]

well the sides use aoe physcial

siebold is mixed

the sides are basically physical

so lucian helps more as well

using a rain setter could also be helpful

[gleaming jolt]

Melissa Oak is working great against him!

https://youtu.be/IZyVoA5-UZ0?t=470&si=JspTyMafJMvTH7-G

[karmic zephyr]

Finally done!

Other than Siebold, the others I cleared just fine! With maybe a couple resets

I feel good! First time Kalos master mode and 15k!

And after this run, Irida is the next pair I'll EX

And this was the first time I used my Deoxys too! He was surprisingly strong for 1/5!

Originally I used SC Steven with the Stevens but I realised that it doesn't really work for me

[fading cradle]

ss steven is basically a master fair disguised as a pokefair, we say

[karmic zephyr]

Are the other forms worth it or only attack?