Champion Stadium

[idle warren]

R1 😭

Tbf I havent tried the other e4

Kinda avoiding phoebe till i get the spatk buff because I dont have a lot of dark units

[lean lion]

Look through your supports for someone who can buff physical defense and speed

If you mean the R2 param that buffs special moves, be aware that it also buffs Phoebe's moves so you'll want a good tank

[idle warren]

Oh I didnt think of that…

[idle warren]

Unless Lyra and Hilbert do this when they evolve

I dont have anyone that fits those capabilities

Oh wait

Tina can

But shes not very tanky

She also has atk down

[lean lion]

Dont ignore your 3 and 4 star pairs. They're serviceable for CS.

[fading cradle]

would exing barry be worth it? he does okay for the most part on 3k but i feel like he could be so much better. yeah i’m still stuck on sidney btw

[idle warren]

I only have 40 spirits atm

Oh wait u werent talking to me mb

[idle warren]

Ill try using tina then

[lean lion]

Melissa is asking for herself dw

[idle warren]

Actually skyla can do the same thing but better so ill use her

[lean lion]

can you candy and grid her?

[idle warren]

I mightve already gridded her

Let me see

[lean lion]

Send params just in case, EXing for one stage isnt worth it

[idle warren]

I have not

Also I only have 2 3* move candies

Not sure how to get more

[lean lion]

3/5 and gridded is enough

[idle warren]

Even if those are my last candies? Are they hard to get?

[lean lion]

Not really and Skyla is a nice early game investement anyway. You'll get plenty more.

[idle warren]

Alr, ty

[sick inlet]

Skyla was best f2p support for so long

She's a bank of potions

[idle warren]

Yeah nah I think I have to go down to below 2k points to beat him

Barry cant mega fast enough

[lean lion]

What's the team? Also, what's the issue? Are you dying too quickly or not enough damage?

[idle warren]

So he can only do 2 spiral megahorns

If I could squeeze in a third then id win

[fading cradle]

team is nanu, aaron, and sc barry. i do last before sidney summons dark zone and syncs, barry does almost enough damage to kill sides but sidney is at 50% hp when he wipes my team

[idle warren]

I have pretty much the same issue

[lean lion]

Try these params

[lean lion]

You can take away str 1 for half ally mp, and str 2 for half ally hp at start. Use Heal order first turn, buff Barry with one MPR, then spam def order post sync. Also try to quad queue to squeeze in another sync if possible. But taking away 300 points worth of strength should already make a difference.

[near coral]

Man I'm struggling to think of where to even start. Got no decent options for any of the four with their weaknesses and the one that should be decent, dragon, the two I have tried do so little it's kind of embarrassing (They were free so kind of can't be shocked but... oof)

[lean lion]

You can send your teams here and someone will help you out

[fading cradle]

not enough damage. i did successfully quadqueue but no damage is an issue

[near coral]

I think I'll need to find a way to either screenshot everything or a site that makes it easier to do that

[idle warren]

Thank you 😭

[near coral]

Zinnia and Cyrus are really flopping against Drake

[lean lion]

You can replace Nanu with another damage dealer, I'm thinking Noland gridded for Fury Cutter damage.

You'll need Aaron's TMs here though so switch Half mp to str 1 again. Also, maybe remove more bulk for atk (150). But then survival may become an issue.

[idle warren]

I had to learn that barry can just use his bmove right after syncing

[lean lion]

Nicely done!!

[idle warren]

Ty! Now on to phoebe

[lean lion]

My phone is nearly dead or I'd send params

[fading cradle]

what should a grid for noland look like then? (and take ur time, charge ur phone)

[near coral]

Is it sync pairs tracker for the list of characters to show off? As in, what I have and the like?

[lean lion]

he can also flinch if you wanna make use of that, but its only 20%

[lean lion]

You can do that if you'd like. We'll recommend damage dealers for each stage, and you can build around those.

[near coral]

Was thinking that might be easier and less headache of figuring out to take screenshots then transferring said screenshots to pc

Might be a while though

[fading cradle]

yeah i dont trust a 20% flinch rate lmao

[lean lion]

Tracker wpuld be perfect. Make sure to sort by role, makes pairs a lot easier to look through

[near coral]

20% = 0% for you. 20% = 100% for enemy

[fading cradle]

i’m starting to really consider exing barry. he’s my main bug damage dealer anyways so he’s the one i often use for bug weak stages

[near coral]

I'll be a while to sort it out then. Probably going to be a lot of screenshots for each role type

[lean lion]

Try your best. If you have to do that as a last resort, thats fine too. There's also stalling if youre hesitant to commit resources to Barry.

[lean lion]

You should use this if possible https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker/

[near coral]

That's the one I'm using

[lean lion]

oh, so it'll all fit in one picture

there'll be an option to sort by role

[fading cradle]

yeah i’m pretty willing to. i really like barry’s ex colors

also does noland need a lucky skill?

[lean lion]

CS2

also, you only use Fury Cutter from turn 1 till the end

[true bloom]

He's pretty good even at 1/5
I cleared Sidney 3k with him XD

[lean lion]

do not switch moves

[fading cradle]

i’m struggling man, barry can ko sides but it’s not enough to ko sidney

is your barry ex?

[true bloom]

Yuppp and caked

[fading cradle]

aw man, i dont have cake resources

[true bloom]

😭

[fading cradle]

i have enough to ex him at the least

[brittle steppe]

I am new to champion stadium master mode any tips?

If i max 3k points i cannot do it

I just follow the guide here

For on and off type sync only

Pre sync and post sync

Whats the difference maker between pre sync and post sync

Is it mainly for dmg dealers that need to sync move first

[idle warren]

This could do the trick right

2.5k

[lean lion]

You should start with a lower point total to acquaint yourself with the mode, ideally 850 pts, the pins has a preset

[idle warren]

Karen has no grid btw

[lean lion]

2/5 Karen is iffy but give it a try, 2.5k may be possible

[idle warren]

Alr

[brittle steppe]

I just follow this for 2.5k

But what does pre and post sync mean

[fading cradle]

pre sync you try to kill the middle pair before they sync. post sync is after they sync

[lean lion]

presync means KOing the enemy before the can sync, this is usually done by giving enemies low bulk so you can KO quickly.

[brittle steppe]

Ohhh

[fading cradle]

you probably need a bulky team for post sync

[lean lion]

did you try with Noland? any difference?

[fading cradle]

i havent done the fight yet, i have some classes soon so i’m waiting until after i’m done

[idle warren]

Wow okay I think I have to off type phoebe lol

Karen does no damage

[lean lion]

She need 3/5 to be good, yeah

[fading cradle]

i recently exed karen, how much of a difference does that make? i remember i had to off type phoebe last time she was dark weak

[lean lion]

I still havent EXd Karen but I believe 3/5 EX is the investement threshold for 3k CSMM. That or pair her with broken supps/techs.

[brittle steppe]

I can’t 2.5k even…

What points should i aim for

At least

Is there like a beginner point

Which one should i pick

[lean lion]

Like I said earlier, start with 850 per stage

[manic mica]

Congrats! I'm sorry but the way you said caked made me think of something else instantly

[brittle steppe]

Which should i pick

[lean lion]

4250 points gets you all the important rewards

[mellow linden]

4250 total (850 per stage) gets you all the important rewards with little to no difficulty increase compared to Hard Mode

So that’s generally the starting point if you’re new to Master Mode

[brittle steppe]

What should i pick

[mellow linden]

There’s a link to parameter recommendations for various point values in the pinned messages

[fading cradle]

hmmm i have her paired with leaf and lucian. though in a team like that, idk if leaf or karen wants 1st sync

[lean lion]

Karen for the mega

[mellow linden]

The 1st link in the 1st pinned message, specifically

[vague solar]

Arc Steven is busted, just 3k’d the red fight in the special stadium with him at 1/5

[sick inlet]

Steven can solo anything from today bar Phoebe

I mean I bet it we tried hard enough we could

[lean lion]

Ghost Guard Steven ftw

[sick inlet]

If he can live long enough to take sides out

He can clear

Just perma flinch mid

[royal flicker]

Is he solo?

[vague solar]

No unfort 😭 lemme get the team rq

Courtney to overwrite ice zone and ghestis to spam noble roar

[sick inlet]

Steven can solo any of the 5 steel stages though, comfortably, i think maybe even at 1/5

But he can easily enable any team too so use him like that

[near coral]

I see Pheromosa's Endurance straight up is a lie

No hits taken until Sync Move then got one tapped

[vague solar]

Syncs go through endure i think

[lean lion]

sync ignores endurance

[near coral]

Would have been nice to know in the passive

[vague solar]

Except for Hugh

Hugh is special and gets to endure syncs too

Because he’s awesome like that

[near coral]

Either way, was somehow able to figure out a team to beat Drake. I think Sidney should be close, need a bit more oomph to take out that stupid Shiftry

Then I need to figure out how I'm beating either Glacia or Phoebe... whoever is left gets a nice beatdown by either Arc Steven or Arc Cynthia

[sick inlet]

This is the first time I learn this information

[true bloom]

Thankies xD and me being confused not being a native English speaker

[manic mica]

it's something very inappropriate, I'd rather not talk about it for obvious reasons

[lean lion]

I think you survived a sync at 1% hp by chance

[vague solar]

His passive gives him a full heal the first time he dies, even by syncs

[mellow linden]

That’s different from the Enduring effect

[vague solar]

Oh true

[near coral]

I think I'm relying on good ol fashioned rng to get the Sidney clear...

[mellow linden]

Can always Poison stall if you’re struggling with an offense-oriented clear

[near coral]

I am beginning to think it's rigged and only triggers when it's too late

[mellow linden]

It’s not rigged

[near coral]

Out of all attempts, only time I got a single special defence down that wasn't before Sidney sync moved he immediately used Special Defence

[manic mica]

That's just RNG.

[mellow linden]

Unless you’ve gotten grid tiles to boost the chance Bug Buzz only has a 10% chance to debuff Sp. Def.

[manic mica]

Yeah , I wouldn't rely solely on that for sp def drops.

[mellow linden]

If you’re relying on that 10% chance then you’d be better off trying something else

[fading cradle]

man

bug weak sidney is next on my hate list after electric weak siebold and steel weak bertha

this non ex barry is seriously not doing the job

[manic mica]

This looks non quad queue , I'm not too sure but is it impossible to quad queue with Barry?

[fading cradle]

i quadqueued the first sync

aaron fainting ruined my queue

[mellow linden]

Noland is basically contributing nothing but move queues if he’s stuck at only +2 Attack and +1 crit

[near coral]

I do have more than just 10% from the sync grid but it's funny the only time it procs is before Pheromosa dies or if it procs early, instant special def up

[vague solar]

Stupid idea, but what if you swap Noland for Ghestis?

[near coral]

Ghetsis is good for weakening the opponent. Helped me last week

[manic mica]

He would be benefitting even less and just eating gauge with no purpose.

[vague solar]

No dps but the double drop from noble roar is really nice for tanking

[fading cradle]

nope

that’s too much gauge

aaron isn’t exactly a gauge support so that’s just tons of gauge down the drain

[lean lion]

You need Aaron's TMs to max Noland's stats

[near coral]

Thing with Kyurem and Ghetsis was I just spammed Noble Roar. That attack and special attack drop made the difference with last week's stadium

[lean lion]

Max his stats

[manic mica]

Melissa you are running Pre Sync params right

[fading cradle]

does he need mp refresh for that? bc i havent gotten that, maybe it’s bad rng

[fading cradle]

yep

[lean lion]

Yeah you need mpr gridded. And to remove half ally mp if you still have that picked.

[sick inlet]

Overall sydney is the most annoying Hoenn elite four.
He wants fairies and bug, he is always mixed attacking, paras you, zones you, evasions you
You name it

[manic mica]

I feel like you should try post sync and bring a defensive support with healing instead of Noland but I'm no pro.

[fading cradle]

his flying weak stage was easy and his fairy weak stage i only won bc of rng. bug weak sidney is fueling my hatred

[near coral]

The trouble I'm going to have is who I even use for Glacia or Phoebe since bleh...

One of them is going to get nuked, problem is I need to handle one of them in the first place

[fading cradle]

i dont have that picked. so i’m just assuming it’s bad rng?

[manic mica]

If you have Riley , you can use him and a support who can max his attack (without max move) and maybe boost his crit faster too. For the last slot , maybe a debuffer or a special def support. For Glacia.

[near coral]

Yeah. 5/5 Riley so that's fine. Probably need a tank to handle the attacks, probably Dusknoir if I'm honest

[lean lion]

If yes, then yeah bad rng

[lean lion]

Mpr is gridded right? You'll need 2 mprs

Also, try these params, I really think these will do the trick

[near coral]

Finally got Sidney out of the road. For some reason on that attempt the enemy was spamming Snarl like it was no-one business

[fading cradle]

i’m pretty sure it is. do i start with heal order from aaron?

[lean lion]

You can try resetting for TM or Feint Attack, if not just start with Heal Order

[fading cradle]

man fuck this, now i’m starting to fail quadqueue again

burn bug weak sidney

[lean lion]

It's alright, you got this!

[fading cradle]

fuck you sidney fuck you sidney fuck you sidney fuck you sidney

he’s about to pull my last straw and make me ex barry. i’m sick of this

[near coral]

So yeah... Drake and Sidney were my biggest trouble makers. Riley and Lillie basically mowed down Glacia's team and Arc Steven handled Phoebe by himself basically

[lean lion]

Barry 2nd sync + Fury Cutter is enough to clear here. You're very close.

If Aaron is alive you can even thrown in Attack Order

[fading cradle]

rng ofc has to work against me and queue fucking seed bomb after iron tail. you think you’re really funny, sidney fuck you

[near coral]

Know that feeling

[fading cradle]

i’m not sure if the gauge can support that, sometimes it’s on life support ☠️

[near coral]

To think though I was struggling on what people consider the easy mode while others over here are doing 3k challenges

[fading cradle]

okay last straw pulled, barry is getting exed idc anymore. i just want those sides gone too

i absolutely hate being rng reliant too and only hoping sidney doesn’t queue snarl or seed bomb and aaron gets mp3

[manic mica]

Darn

[lean lion]

Is Noland doing noticeable damage?

[fading cradle]

he’s doing decent damage, but atp, damage from barry isn’t satisfying me and rng is against me

[lean lion]

One last attempt, go back to Nanu, switch atk 1 for Atk 3 and remove tech x3

[manic mica]

I feel like "hit 5 times" is kinda awful to activate b move for barry

Then again , never deactivating megahorn would've been broken.

[fading cradle]

too late

[near coral]

Having clearheaded was basically a requirement to make Zinnia actually usable. Otherwise she is utter deadweight I find

[fading cradle]

those resources will come back to me eventually

[lean lion]

Yeah no point malding

[manic mica]

Why does he look like a news reporter in the snow

[lean lion]

You'll use him for longer than today anyway

[fading cradle]

hey i think he looks cool

[manic mica]

I'm not saying he's bad

I love his design

[near coral]

Honestly though my teams for Drake and Sidney could have been better but eh... it worked and I needed the badges

[manic mica]

It's just funny lmao

[fading cradle]

goofy special costume

[manic mica]

If it works , it works

If he ever reruns , I'm picking him up

He's like my only favourite bug unit I've seen thus far

sorry went off topic

[fading cradle]

never fucking mind, how many move levels does sc barry need

[near coral]

For me I've accepted master mode is out of my league

3 turn sync move, all the buffs they get and debuffs we suffer? Not even remotely close to ready

[manic mica]

No way EX and it's still not working.

Try a few times

[fading cradle]

the plus side is i have a stronger bug type damage dealer for future bug weak stages. bug weak grimsley it is SO over for you when unova comes back

[manic mica]

I just can't wait to Face Koga

I'll show him Evasiveness

[fading cradle]

i didnt crit somehow

this rng actually hates me

[manic mica]

20% chance unfort

[lean lion]

It do be like that always sometimes

[fading cradle]

fire and flying weak koga when i show him my overkill fire and flying teams

[manic mica]

love when my move that's supposed to deal 50k does 3k thx to 80% sync crit

[manic mica]

Fire and flying weak Koga when he sees Arc Cynthia

[fading cradle]

crit rate 3: 0% crit rate 3 for enemy: 90%

[near coral]

If it's not 100%, it's 0%

Unless it's the enemy in which case it's 200%

[fading cradle]

sometimes more

[manic mica]

You mean 0 for enemy = 90%

[fading cradle]

oh my mistake you are absolutely right

are you fucking kidding me

does sc barry need move levels or some shit???????? bc now 1/5 is not even cutting it

idk why some say he’s fine at 1/5

[lean lion]

Did you miss crit again?

[fading cradle]

i wasnt even keeping track of that but the rng was in my favor and i still lost

[manic mica]

Yeah it feels like way less damage

[fading cradle]

i’m not entirely convinced by the sc barry is fine at 1/5 statement

[manic mica]

Here's my pov

What if Your teammates were Arc Steve and Redlax

not the best but defo better

[left storm]

Guzma clears

Barry should too

[lean lion]

Bugsy clears too

[fading cradle]

2/5

that mf aint clearing shit

[lean lion]

Barry can't be worse

[fading cradle]

no redlax, steven was already used

[manic mica]

Where's that Unemployed Tuesday afternoon player doing 5k Sidney with Wulfric

[left storm]

Exactly

[manic mica]

I was saying that hypothetically.

[fading cradle]

sidney makes me wanna throw him off the edge of ever grande city

first sync and barry crit the sides but not sidney

[lean lion]

Just give it a few more tries you're almost there

[left storm]

Bring a SEUP, PMUN or second bug dps

[manic mica]

Good luck , you'll get there

[fading cradle]

is that bug dps happening

[manic mica]

im honestly happy within 2 weeks of playing I'm being able to 15k any CS content easily especially the likes of hoenn

[fading cradle]

i really don’t want to replace barry

[manic mica]

Guzma 2/5 , can he work?

[fading cradle]

haha nope

[left storm]

I see that lusamine

[fading cradle]

he loves 5/5 from what i know

[left storm]

Absolutely not

Needs 3/5

[fading cradle]

she’s actually helpful????? i hate using her bc she’s paper frail

[manic mica]

Thought so

[left storm]

She's paper but she will still add some dps

Also what are those gears

[fading cradle]

i dont use gears

those are kind of just leftovers

gears are too complex for my understanding so i dont bother with them

[left storm]

Well that's just making it harder for no reason

Bug gears here would just make it much less annoying

Not even skill gear

Just basic type gear

Would be decent

[fading cradle]

oh my god, i’m gonna break the nearest object

how does that side queue swift so quickly

[idle warren]

who's stronger vs drake, zinnia or cyrus?

[lean lion]

Cyrus

[left storm]

Og Zinnia sucks

Never use her if it's not for clout or the stage is really easy

[idle warren]

alr ty

[fading cradle]

i give up

[idle warren]

Good team?

This is 2550

[lean lion]

Honestly, just take a break. You can try this or a different strat later.

[fading cradle]

barry’s second sync failed to crit at 2% hp and cost me the fight

[lean lion]

Sidney is freaking annoying that's for sure

[fading cradle]

this didn’t happen once but fucking TWICE.

[fading cradle]

idk this is seriously demotivating me to even finish the stadium

i dont wanna go back to the time i had to lower points

[lean lion]

You won't have to

[idle warren]

starting to feel like i should replace raihan

should i use lear for sync countdown reduction?

cyrus is definitely doing the damage but blue has to sync first

[lean lion]

You can replace with with a sp def debuffer or someone with Dragon zone

[idle warren]

dont think i have any dragon zone users :/

[lean lion]

Is Cyrus gridded?

[idle warren]

yeah but i dont have his event tiles

[fading cradle]

is there a cyrus grid for spatial rend without the expansion?

[idle warren]

uhhh

[fading cradle]

poryphone bot is down and i dont wanna scroll through the document

[idle warren]

as in the move right

not sync move

yeah there is

[fading cradle]

oh wait there is one

[lean lion]

Are you having trouble surviving or not dealing enough damage? Cause this team should work for 2.5k

[idle warren]

surviving

cant survive the sync move is the issue

[fading cradle]

it looks pretty similar to the non expanded hydro pump grid, maybe you can grid your cyrus to that if you haven’t already

[lean lion]

Then maybe replace Blue for someone with potions and crit buffs for Cyrus

[idle warren]

ill try, i have the rend tiles but i had to improvise a bit

[idle warren]

alr ill try this too, ty both

even though im using cyrus

should i just clear the rain

[snow shell]

Literal protagonist shit right there

[idle warren]

replaced blue for hop

i can kill drake and kingdra but the other two kill me afterwards

ughhhh

[idle warren]

yeah this is not beatable for me rn

[fading cradle]

who got that one bugsy noland bug weak sidney clear

i havent touched him since like an hour ago, but i literally want to know how f2p units managed to 3k sidney while my sc barry can’t

[lean lion]

I've cleared Sidney with Bugsy Noland

Let me look for it

[sharp willow]

Lot of trial and error, id think

Noland having access to Staggering does help, id imagine

[fading cradle]

what does staggering do again?

[lean lion]

#1208860837947899965 message

This was during last Hoenn rotation. With supp EX this is easier.

[sharp willow]

Its a flinch chance

For Noland, a 20% chance to flinch on any attack used

[lean lion]

And yeah, you either need to land a flinch after mid dies or pray Bugsy can dodge one move with +6 eva

[fading cradle]

20% doesn’t sound entirely too better 😭

[fading cradle]

were any of those units ex?

[lean lion]

Nope all non-ex level 120

[sharp willow]

Its better than 0%, and you want to just use Fury Cutter with noland to build up its power anyway

[fading cradle]

would non ex hop or ex aaron be better? too bad aaron only has one heal order though

[fading cradle]

wait do you also remember ur params for that clear

[lean lion]

They're at the end of the vid

[fading cradle]

i feel like this sidney battle is just 100% rng at this rate which clearly hasn’t been working in my favor (2 crit fails from sc barry…)

[lean lion]

EX Aaron ofc, but you'll need to quad queue

Hop has Adr but not EXd unfortunately

Cause he can also tank Phys moves pretty well

[fading cradle]

he only gets adrenaline when exed?

[lean lion]

Nah but what's the point in syncing with him if not EX

[fading cradle]

true, damn

does bugsy have a grid?

[lean lion]

Yeah, both gridded

Wait my Bugsy grid is still the same

[fading cradle]

thanks 👹 though i’ll probably try this later since sidney made me fume way too much earlier

[lean lion]

Only the first day of reset, take your time

[fading cradle]

though i just did a test run with sc barry still in the place of bugsy and turned off half ally hp and interference immunity, the flinch from noland does seem to help a little, just need better rng

[lean lion]

I honestly think you should stick to SC Barry, but you can try the Bugsy clear if you're having a tough time with Barry

[idle warren]

Congrats on beating it

[lean lion]

Here you go, did the run with supp EX

don't mind the enthusiasm, I'm just your local Bugsy/Noland salesman

@fading cradle

[fading cradle]

would it matter if i changed my tactics a little too? i had them move in barry-aaron-noland, would switching them around be any different

[lean lion]

Unless you're going for flinches to get to 2nd sync, it doesn't really matter

But it's good to let Noland go last just in case

[fading cradle]

alright then

i’m just hoping for good rng when i attempt this again

but in my case, i always have to sync with barry first right

[lean lion]

Yup

No Quarter is crucial

Hold up

Since you're syncing with Barry anyway, maybe swap to Hop. You might wanna give him a try, may be an easier time surviving.

[fading cradle]

so do i switch out aaron?

[lean lion]

If you think staying alive is a problem

Potions could help with that

Hop also has Healthy Benefits do he tanks the first move with ease

[fading cradle]

here’s my grid for hop, idk when the last time i used him was so it kind of just looks like this

[lean lion]

This is good

Pick up Wise Entry on the top left corner and you're good

[fading cradle]

can’t thank you enough trout 😭

[lean lion]

Well done!!

[idle warren]

yay

[lean lion]

Noland got the killing blow?

[sharp willow]

That looks like Barry did

[lean lion]

Oh right the CS2 proc is still there

[fading cradle]

barry

but noland got a lucky flinch right around a snarl before dark wish

[lean lion]

Very happy for you

[weak sleet]

What steel pairs are best against red? I was thinking mawile for steel zone? Please ping me. The old battles I'll probably off type.

[lean lion]

Although I was hoping to turn someone into a Bugsy/Noland believer

oh well next time

[fading cradle]

i’m convinced by your video, but it’s safe to say i’m a noland believer now lol

[covert badger]

ngl even with sc barry 1/5 sydney was still beating my ass 💀

[weak sleet]

This is for the special stadium

[fading cradle]

you should have seen me earlier man

[lean lion]

AS Steven. Pair him with a steel zone setter and another damage dealer. This is assuming you don't need him elsewhere.

[fading cradle]

the struggle was real

[sharp willow]

The fight is designed in such a way that Special Costume Selene is the main counter

[lean lion]

Then I have succeeded

[covert badger]

i actually have a noland that is EX'd because my bug roster was so bad before 3/5 guzma 💀

[fading cradle]

believe in noland

[weak sleet]

And probably pair her with arc Steven and maybe mawile for extra zone?

I was just going to use like zygarde, adaman, or Iridia for the other stages.

[sharp willow]

Id probably go for a traditional damage dealer over Palentines Marnie. Selene's zone should be sufficient for the entire fight

[covert badger]

on type stadium yippee

marshall is my best fighting type tank :)

[fading cradle]

drake against drake is so real

[sharp willow]

If youre intending to do offtype for the other stages, then Anni 2024 Lillie or SS Lear would work

[covert badger]

i wish drake had potions hed be such a good f2p support

[fading cradle]

hmmmm

this is r4. drake got cheesed by nate, lance, and morty in r3

[weak sleet]

Thank you! And I'm going to guess it seems Glacia is the most logical option for round 2 because of reduced special damage and Olivia for round 3 because of increased special damage?

[sharp willow]

I would just avoid Glacia round 3

The rest dont really use much in the way of special attacks, so you dont need to be too scared

Special Damage reduction isnt too big a deal, it mostly will just mess up your quadqueue

[lean lion]

Leaf might be able to tank, but it'll be better if you brought someone with sp def and crit buffs. Phoebe hits hard with Shadow Ball.

[fading cradle]

ah shit we can’t quadqueue this r4 right

[lean lion]

You can. The note is from last week ig

[weak sleet]

Thank you!

[fading cradle]

ah alright phew

here's all my supports, can't use ss morty or hop

[lean lion]

Leaf seems to be the best option. Just remember you need to also debuff their sp atk. It'll be a challenge to manage all the buffing and debuffing.

Karen needs a lot of hand holding smh

[fading cradle]

fr like why 🥲

if this doesn’t work, i might switch to that team tony suggested the last time dark weak phoebe was here

[sharp willow]

You'll also probably want to get a staggering proc or two with Leaf ideally

We've already gone over how helpful those can be but yeah

[lean lion]

The stall team?

[fading cradle]

as in the grid tile?

[sharp willow]

Yeah, you'll want to get that to activate once or twice ideally

Its a 30% chance iirc so not too unreasonable at least

[fading cradle]

hmm what can i change this grid to? this is one i use for critical squad and all ramped up

[lean lion]

Remove Adr since Leaf isn't syncing

[fading cradle]

hmmmm karen is doing pretty good damage but it’s not enough to ko phoebe

[sharp willow]

hm, what does your parameter set look like right now

[sharp willow]

hmm, if you're willing to play a bit riskier you could try replacing Strength Up 2 with HP Down 5, you've got a decent amount of flinching on that team already so if you can get the items out of the way early it'll buy you more time, and just lower the bulk the stage has a little as well

[fading cradle]

oh wtf that made me realize i had too many params on 💀

i took away strength 1, strength 2, and attack 3

[blazing perch]

Am I cooked or can sc Barry 3k ?

[fading cradle]

he should be able to (from experience)

he, noland, and hop can 3k sidney, just gotta be lucky with rng

[silver dirge]

Melissa on her way to do 4k cs on hoenn already damn

[fading cradle]

oops!

[fading cradle]

yeah i cant really figure out what to do

do i tackle with leaf first to try to flinch or use her tm???? idk which moves to queue for her

[rapid osprey]

ok. steel special stadium

i presume for field effects you want to do lillie for infinite steel zone

[sharp willow]

Any one of the steel zone setters would be pretty good for that, Lillie would certainly work

[rapid osprey]

i only have lillie lmao

[sharp willow]

Fair

[rapid osprey]

im thinking loosely arc steven for champ and lillie for round 1; are there any other super obvious choices?

i also keep meaning to invest molayne the rest of the way but then getting distracted

special dmg reduction doesnt really help or hinder anyone since theyre all either mono phys or mixed (thorton and colress, for no reason); added effects makes me think maybe one of the flinch comps w/ molayne but

ok +spec can be either olivia or grimsley since they have 0 spec on their comps

oh wait no grimsley has snarl. olivia it is

ok. r1 grimsley, r2 glacia, r3 olivia, r4 bertha

berthas added effects arent fun but

if i pack darach for defog to control red's zone (and atk) i can slot ssa cyn in somewhere; i figure she probably makes the most sense alongside poppy for bulk?

[sharp willow]

if you're using SSA Cynthia you most likely won't need to run Darach at the same time, she will overwrite Red's zone herself

unless you mean in another fight

[rapid osprey]

yeah sorry if that wasnt clear

she was my first thought for overwriting red's zone with her sync, but darach i think does that better bc he doesnt overlap with stevens def buffs

i have vigi on poppy from gauntlet 15 against regirock

so giving poppy +6/+6 to defenses helps a lot

[sharp willow]

Darach would also let you take an extra parameter or two for free points, like the critical shield

[rapid osprey]

ye

[sharp willow]

I wouldn't worry too much about Poppy's bulk realistically, in CS runs your main DPS typically isn't the one you're worrying about getting hit

unless the stage happens to use a lot of AOEs like Glacia does, that is

[rapid osprey]

fair. how does poppy/ssa cyn against r4 bertha sound? team staring contest nullifies the added flinch chance off rock slide; eq isnt exactly nice but twave controls defense

so just pack someone to help with atk, cynthia tanks, and it feels like i can hike up the params p high without too much issue

[sharp willow]

I mean, it's worth a shot at least. Poppy shouldn't struggle too much with dealing damage

[rapid osprey]

o7

[sharp willow]

sides might prove an issue since she can only attack every other turn, so maybe keep that in mind with who you pick as the third though

[rapid osprey]

true... none of the steels are particularly cheap gauge-wise but

i was thinking colress for glacia since his sync can control her +acc, but maybe bringing him to get -6def on sides for best oneshot odds makes more sense

[sharp willow]

i think Colress's accuracy debuffing is probably too slow to really keep Glacia in check unless you're spamming mirror shot, and i'd probably recommend off-typing Glacia with your roster anyway

[rapid osprey]

oh really?

[sharp willow]

She wants you to be using special damage and with Steel Types that ends up being a rarity

[rapid osprey]

true lmao

[sharp willow]

so just bring whatever big strong special damage dealer you have for her fight and focus your steel types on the other stages imo

[rapid osprey]

technically, thorton has special sync... but its also thorton lmao

[sharp willow]

yeah thorton's setup kinda sucks, and his sync is the only damage he's gonna be doing for that

[rapid osprey]

yeah

rip

if only magnezone were more available

but yeah in that case, maybe i do glacia first for field effects, bring sygna red and and a sun setter and go full nuke

[sharp willow]

once again, it's worth a shot

[rapid osprey]

he can mostly-reliably crit through special shield at least

[thorny wind]

Sync did not crit

[lean lion]

The problem is no matter how you queue moves at the start Karen doesn't get max sp atk debuffs until like turn 5.

[sharp willow]

when you're that close, it should be doable with a couple more attempts i'd think

[thorny wind]

Yep at least I finally got how to do it

[sharp willow]

nice

[rapid osprey]

hm, i think i still want perma field for lillie zone

[fading cradle]

karen really needs her hand held, huh

[rapid osprey]

wait

do you not have the second satisfied snarl

so that her snarl does -2 at a time

her snarl is so good

i presume you're opening with an ex supp sync from leaf, 3 snarls into supp sync from leaf gives you +2, her tm should be able to max you from there to have +6/-6 on her first sync

[lean lion]

Even then, Karen needs to use TM twice and Dire Hit + once. Leaf isn't syncing and gives +1 crit with TM. In this case to save a Karen turn, Melissa would need 2-3 Leaf TM MPR to max Karen's sp atk.

[rapid osprey]

why isnt leaf syncing

[lean lion]

Karen needs first sync for mega

Maybe the play is replacing Lucian with someone to help with sp atk debuffs

[rapid osprey]

does she? leaf has adrenaline so you can get your first karen sync before phoebe syncs

[fading cradle]

i’m thinking of replacing lucian yeah

[rapid osprey]

if the +def is what youre worried about

[fading cradle]

cool he has gauge refresh when using growl but still

[lean lion]

Won't be enough damage since Karen is basically just sitting there for the entire fight. One sync won't be nearly enough to clear.

[rapid osprey]

shes... using snarl and her tms??

[old orchid]

Wait where is the ghost zone removal

[lean lion]

Where's the damage?

[fading cradle]

i’m trying to presync phoebe sooooo

haven’t thought of removing zone

[lean lion]

She has ~39k hp here

[old orchid]

I don't think Karen can do that without zone or rebuff enhancer

[fading cradle]

i have no dark zone setter either

[rapid osprey]

-6spatk -6spdef (presumbaly from growl) devastation + sync power flux with +2 sync buff seems like pretty solid damage

[lean lion]

Fr? 3/5 EX won't be enough?

[old orchid]

Yeah

[lean lion]

Alright I'm gonna check hold on

[old orchid]

Unless you go for ultra offensive

[rapid osprey]

this is presuming leaf is ex tho

maybe melissa doesnt have ex leaf in which case i get it a bit more

[old orchid]

I would go for post sync route if i were you, with the same team but replace Lucian with Darach and sync with Leaf first

Darach helps soften up Phoebe's sync

[rapid osprey]

true, -atk and no zone

plus his team +speed helps with phoebes gauge for dark pulse

[fading cradle]

i do

[lean lion]

That'd be ~25k on 2nd sync, 2 Sync buffs, -6 sp def and sp atk

[rapid osprey]

and thats with +6spatk and +3crit on houndoom right

[lean lion]

Yup

[rapid osprey]

hm

thats so much lower than i wouldve thought

[lean lion]

Oh no wait

This'll work if you can quad queue Dark Pulse. Sync + Dark Pulse will do about 37k damage. Depending on params, that might be enough.

[fading cradle]

does darach need a grid?

[old orchid]

Idts

[thorny wind]

[rapid osprey]

ok im not sure why my numbers are so different other than just assuming im bad at using the calculator

oh wait i forgot to put in banettes stats

[old orchid]

You need to apply post parameter enemies' defense

[rapid osprey]

thats why lmao

ok yeah there we go. her lowest value goes up to 33k if you take off gauge cap but

yeah if you can quadqueue for dark pulse you can def clear 39k and presync by syncing with leaf first

[lean lion]

Phoebe has 42k, so there's a chance this is enough

[rapid osprey]

oh its 42 not 39?

[lean lion]

Yup, 42k hp, 111 sp def

[rapid osprey]

gotcha

... wait

111?

isnt she base 78 and she only has sentry entry x2

[old orchid]

not to mention the 6.25% healing from Gradual Healing

[lean lion]

Yup at mac str most stages have 114. I took away the 100 pt str in these params.

[rapid osprey]

oh right. params

[old orchid]

that is after strength params applied

[rapid osprey]

im dumb lol

[old orchid]

hi dumb lol

[rapid osprey]

like fwiw

i think gakon is right

and you should just post-sync

but

[fading cradle]

wonder if i can just use that off type team again if nothing works out

[rapid osprey]

i do think karen can presync

[old orchid]

just offtype when the ontype dd fails you

save your sanity for LG!!!

[rapid osprey]

anyway speak of special syncers

i sure do favor phys strikers for ex huh

og cyn, arc cyn, kris, brendan, elesa, bp valerie, noland, and ssr cyn vs sygna red, blue, karen, giovanni, zinnia, cyrus

and zinnia doesnt really count

[lean lion]

Giovanni and Cyrus have pretty decent f2p strike nukes

[rapid osprey]

for sure

[lean lion]

Enough for Stadium

[rapid osprey]

im more just looking at my offtype options for glacia

bc no steel special units

and man. it really is just sygna red

[lean lion]

Anni Lillie doesn't care about SEx2

[old orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/team-skull-lillie-lillie-pokemon-lillie-sm-gif-19362328

[rapid osprey]

hm. you think glacia 1 for permanent field effects and lillie zone going brrr is the move?

[lean lion]

Yup

Lillie got this

[rapid osprey]

damn

ok

so then grimsley can be r2 with solgaleo for imperv + +6acc from tm

[lean lion]

Mine is EXRd but on a full team with supp EX it shouldn't matter, also perma wtz so..

Grimsley and MC Solgaleo will struggle with guage unless you bring a good guage supp

[old orchid]

i duo'ed with Solgaleo and Registeel

[rapid osprey]

i dont mean use grimsleys steel unit i mean use solgaleo for the grimsley fight

[lean lion]

Oh my bad

Then yeah that works

[rapid osprey]

ur good

my only steel ex is arc steven who i'm earmarking for red but im also not too worried about actually dealing damage, mostly just about making it to 11-12k for the candy coin (and extra spirits if i can swing it)

[fading cradle]

alright trying ontype post sync, not sure how to get the other 400 points

[lean lion]

Unless you really need the flinches, I'd pick Interference Immunity, Tech x 3 dmg and both power on hit params.

The tech x3 damage doesn't affect sync moves and Phoebe's regular moves are ST

If you need the flinches, go def 1

[pearl canyon]

ash my offtype goat

[old orchid]

wait the x3 param doesn't affect sync move?

[lean lion]

Yup

[old orchid]

i have been lied to for years!!!!

[pearl canyon]

(technically his endure wasnt needed im just bad at tapping on the opponents to set the right target but it let me play bad and win)

[old orchid]

i would still take power on hit

[pearl canyon]

this could have been drastically easier if i had thought ahead at all but we take em

[fading cradle]

damn so close, maybe i’ll take defense 1

[lean lion]

A couple flinches and you had it

Yeah go with def

[fading cradle]

yeah, i noticed karen could have flinched a few times when the “banette won’t flinch” message popped up like twice

[rapid osprey]

if you're using bite then yeah

she has solid flinch chance

[sharp willow]

dark pulse or bite both have quite solid flinch rates

[rapid osprey]

oh right dark pulse does flinch

[lean lion]

If you wanna increase survivability even more, you could start by spamming Snarl thrice since Karen isn't doing any meaningful damage until sync anyway

[rapid osprey]

yeah you want -spatk asap, the +6spatk doesnt do much for snarl bc its aoe debuffed anyway

[fading cradle]

how will i max out her stats then?

[rapid osprey]

so the stat reduction helps more

[lean lion]

After debuffing sp atk

You don't need the buffs until Karen sync

[rapid osprey]

her tm boosts her spatk more if her hp is lower, so if shes taken a hit or two she can maybe use a bonus attack pre-sync

[fading cradle]

wait who’s debuffing spdef again, i wasnt keeping track 💀

[lean lion]

Typo

I meant sp atk

So Karen goes Snarl x 3, TM, TM, Dire Hit, Sync

[rapid osprey]

you should only need to tm once if youre still using leaf for supp sync first

[lean lion]

Oo right

[rapid osprey]

so tm dire hit and an extra snarl if you really want but

[rapid osprey]

ok. 12k is approx 2.5 per stage

[fading cradle]

if i fail to quadqueue but have adrenaline 1 on leaf, can i still squeeze in a second sync?

[rapid osprey]

the quadqueue iirc is for the dark pulse after your second sync

[lean lion]

Yes. Adr removes the need for qq

[fading cradle]

:/

the flinch rate is being atrocious

[lean lion]

Now that you're syncing with Leaf you can pick half ally mp instead of max hp 2 or strength 1, unless you need the potions

[fading cradle]

i definitely need potions

[lean lion]

Then nvm

[fading cradle]

idk man

this just isn’t enough

i dont want to keep relying on flinch if the rate is less than 50%

[lean lion]

Half ally mp would mean you need to fish for potion MPR if needed, but removing that hp param will go a long way towards making Phoebe easier to KO

If Karen is gridded for Dark Pulse Aggravation, she has 50% flinch chance

[fading cradle]

thanks for everyone that helped me here

[lean lion]

Half ally mp worked? It did, nice!!

[fading cradle]

that’s another hoenn 15k clear documented

[swift swan]

[manic mica]

Congrats!

[fading cradle]

next week’s champion is poison weak…?

[mellow linden]

Keep in mind that Poison weak usually means more vulnerable to Poison stall

So worst case scenario you have that

[fading cradle]

i’m going with an offtype team so if that doesn’t work, i’m gonna have to poison stall

[rapid osprey]

currently at 9200/10000 for bertha; pomatools isnt working for me to use that for an easy view so what are ppls thoughts to add to these?

• max hp 2/4/6/8
• standard dmg reduction
• spec shield/dmg reduction
• half mp
• sync buff +50%
• int immunity

colress has ground guard; poppy and cyn have vigi

oh and this is r4

[old orchid]

Ground Guard does not protect him from sync, keep that in mind

also the team seems struggle with gauge sometimes

[rapid osprey]

isnt her sync rock? if i misread that oof

[old orchid]

i don't think getting max hp is a good idea personally

all Bertha stages have Ground sync

[rapid osprey]

yeah that tracks. rip me lmao

[old orchid]

you should replace Colress with a defense debuffer that has light gauge, like Kukui. 3/5 Kukui also has flinch

[rapid osprey]

couldve used colress earlier

sadly bc i had colress penciled in here i used kukui already

[old orchid]

personally i would use a mix of strength/atk params, Cynthia is quite bulky

[rapid osprey]

i can say rip and finish to reset and swap them maybe?

[old orchid]

well there is Nanu

[rapid osprey]

.... can nanu survive??

[old orchid]

or you can just focus on flinch, as Poppy lowers def by herself

[rapid osprey]

my nanu has 0 investment atm

[old orchid]

you can try

[rapid osprey]

tbh calling this a misplay and finishing with 0 on the last 2 to reset and swap colress and kukui is prob the move

[lean lion]

You can still clear this

[old orchid]

or do this

[lean lion]

Don't need to reset

[rapid osprey]

im trying to get to 12 which would be my highest ever

so i am Not confident

[old orchid]

yes, that's why you shouldn't reset

[rapid osprey]

but ive already gotten 7.5 from the first 3, i can just do that again

but be better kitted/informed for bertha

[lean lion]

We're assuring you this is winnable without resetting

But in the end it's upto you

[rapid osprey]

its not that i dont trust yall so much as i dont trust my own skill lmao

[rapid osprey]

also, in general max hp feels like the most free if you have glass cannons bc theyre dealing crazy damage anyway. is my understanding of that wrong?

like, atk/str params would make the sync/eq hit poppy harder who is least able to take the hit

[manic mica]

If I'm not wrong , Bertha has the highest HP of any CS opponent

[old orchid]

max hp doesn't mean you always win, especially when the opponents have gigantic HP

you also picked Sync Buff 5 which is counterproductive

reducing their bulk allows dmg dealers to clear faster and easier

[manic mica]

Try to take some offensive params and lower the HP params imo

[lean lion]

And like you said, Poppy is still only surviving a couple hits even when you've stacked hp instead of offensive params

[old orchid]

this is the way

[rapid osprey]

gotcha. so going heavy on str is riskier in terms of dmg taken by your glass cannon but faster so less dmg overall

o7 i think i get it

[old orchid]

it's generally recommended to try to clear stages as quick as possible

only use max HP params when you are fully aware of your comps' strength

like ontype Arc Suit Cynthia with Arc Steven + third

[manic mica]

Max HP is only if you can nuke the enemy really hard and just destroy them

[lean lion]

Or outlive them through bulk/sustain

[rapid osprey]

ok. so all str params gets me to 9600

i cant take gauge or terrain bc of poppy and cyn respectively

power up on hit?

[lean lion]

All of those are free points for this team

[manic mica]

That's basically free if you're pre syncing

[old orchid]

i remember recommending you using a light gauge flinch bot earlier

[manic mica]

Nanu?

[rapid osprey]

yep, im checking through for who to swap colress to now

[old orchid]

a speed buffer is also fine

[rapid osprey]

oh right

int

take off int

lmao

crit would ignore phys shield right?

[manic mica]

Yes

[old orchid]

yes, the 50 pts one

[manic mica]

It's just basically a reflect

[lean lion]

Both 50 point DRs are ignored by crits

[rapid osprey]

solid

ok so for astonish flinchers i have sawyer, acerola, and bp morty

bp morty overlaps too much with cynthia

so acerola?

using a flincher on a trio is always weird to me (and i dont think this team has a guaranteed post turn passive to proc) but

[old orchid]

none of the mentioned options helps with gauge

i don't really want to recommend you Nanu one more time

[rapid osprey]

how does nanu help with gauge. thats what i dont understand

like. my understanding of nanu is: hes bad dont use him

[manic mica]

X Speed

[manic mica]

Nanu is a decent flincher and has light gauge support.

[lean lion]

Screech: Charging Infliction from grid

[rapid osprey]

ahhhh he has charging infliction

ok

alright. ill try it. does he need potential boosted?

[old orchid]

at 4* he has good speed stat with self +4 speed

that's enough to carry gauge

[rapid osprey]

gotcha. thats what i was missing from seeing how he slotted in here

[lean lion]

Charging Infliction helps too yeah?

[old orchid]

yup

[rapid osprey]

ok. poppy can presync bertha... but not sides

i think if i can time cynthias bmove well enough i can use it to take out one of them, then its just praying on the flinch

o7 ty gakon and trout

ill prob reset and rerun it so i can have record of better-designed teams but

at least i can clear 12 the first time through

[fading cradle]

fire

[manic mica]

Congrats

[lean lion]

well done!

[fading cradle]

next week is the last week of hoenn (thank god), what’s after hoenn? johto?

[manic mica]

Pretty sure yea

[lean lion]

last time it was Johto after Hoenn but there's no fixed order

[fading cradle]

oh so dena can just change up the order bc they feel like it?

[manic mica]

Yes

But so far from the time I've started , I've seen it going in backwards order so it's most likely Johto I believe

[lean lion]

all of them are gonna feel a lot easier after Hoenn though, so there's that

[manic mica]

goes back to sinnoh bc of NC Lucas and Dawn

[fading cradle]

i was hoping this month would be johto bc i needed a break after sinnoh but dena said nope fuck you, hoenn time!

i managed to 15k every week of hoenn (except the first week since i didn’t have the medal completed), next week better not break my streak

[lean lion]

you've already 3kd all stages except poison weak Wallace

you'll be fine

[fading cradle]

my poison roster is atrocious as well so i’m offtyping wallace. hopefully it does me good

i’m offtyping drake with the team i used to 3k ice weak drake last time

[manic mica]

Is it back to Week 2 Weaknesses for Next week?

[fading cradle]

pretty much except phoebe is weak to ghost instead of dark

[lean lion]

highly recommend Poison Stalling if you want funny clear

[fading cradle]

oh that would be funny lol

[lean lion]

its hilariously easy

[fading cradle]

i still gotta learn astro’s 3k poison stall ways

[manic mica]

Lmao ,

Oak has been a godsend

[fading cradle]

the last time i poison stalled a stage in csmm was steel weak bertha and that wasn’t even a 3k

[lean lion]

[manic mica]

There's this other thing that can counter Poison Weak Wallace

It's called "Almighty Rending Earthquake"

I'm gonna be honest , I never thought 15k was possible on my second week of master mode and second week of ever attempting a CS. It was definitely mostly because of Anni units , they just ruin everything and I'm happy I'm able to keep it consistent and thanks to the helpers I've learned a lot of methods to the point I don't need much to no help at all. So thanks to all the helpers

[rapid osprey]

oh also

we're getting galar and paldea added at Some point

so that will also interrupt the expected cycle

[lean lion]

You did a lot of work yourself and thats commendable!

you should be proud!

[rapid osprey]

but for the most part the pattern would say its hoenn -> johto -> kalos

and then back to unova

[fading cradle]

i swear i hear explosions every time kalos cs is brought up

kalos brings me war flashbacks

[rapid osprey]

which i know bc those are now my only missing medals lmao

[fading cradle]

kalos was so hard i couldn’t finish the medal 😭

[rapid osprey]

i had unova from way back when and all the rest i have done since returning

[rapid osprey]

oh shit

fear.jpg....

was it diantha or the e4 themselves?

[fading cradle]

i had trouble with siebold a lot (curses to you electric weak siebold!)

and fairy weak drasna

[fading cradle]

but yeah that’s something to be really proud of! it’s not every day some new csmm players are able to 15k on their second week of attempting cs, so it’s definitely something to flex

[rapid osprey]

peeponotes

[manic mica]

Thank you! , I'm trying my best to do everything on my own and learn from self experience , which can lead to banging my head on the wall because stupid lady (Bertha) has too much HP , too much HP , too much bulk , too much HP , too much damage and too much HP. Small rant but it's definitely warranted.

[rapid osprey]

(see: me. i have been doing csmm and this special stadium 12k is my new highest i am terrified of 15k)

[fading cradle]

my first cs clear was kalos but i wasnt able to actually 15k a stadium until alola (which was 3 months later since unova and kanto were in between kalos and alola)

[manic mica]

Thank you! I don't really like to flex but maybe just this one time , I can

[fading cradle]

which bertha are we referring (steel weak bertha is absolute pain)

[manic mica]

Steel weak in the special stadium

[fading cradle]

oh for real

[rapid osprey]

i mean im a gen4bestgen so im biased but

[fading cradle]

idk if her steel weak stage or ice weak stage are more painful

[rapid osprey]

between aaron in the electric stadium and bertha here

[fading cradle]

i think she’s my personal nemesis in sinnoh stadium instead of electric weak aaron

[rapid osprey]

sinnoh e4 too strong ilu sinnoh

[manic mica]

There's an Ice Weak

[fading cradle]

aaron doesn’t really hit too hard but if you aren’t able to stop his heal order, he’ll just ko your team from there

[rapid osprey]

i love my s tier e4+champ and starters

[rapid osprey]

his gradual healing heals for SO MUCH

[manic mica]

pal Candice and SS N , please rerun pls

[fading cradle]

aaron is actually TROLLING man 😭

[rapid osprey]

look

bugs got so much disrespect

[manic mica]

Idc about Sentry Entry , I AM GOING TO ARC CYNTHIA

[rapid osprey]

he had to put some fear into our hearts

[lean lion]

until then keep an eye out for 3/5 Hala

[manic mica]

if only our heal order did shit

[rapid osprey]

got one too many 'oh vespiquen is double weak to rock honk shoo' and went sicko mode on us all

[fading cradle]

this just screams “you have to replace me with a different weather asap!”

[rapid osprey]

now if only they can revamp flint to match cynthia bertha lucian and aaron lmao

[fading cradle]

aaron’s heal order as an opponent: 👹

aaron’s heal order as a playable character: ☹️

[rapid osprey]

i had a loose idea of like. what if we have it wrong and its not all champions for arc suits and we get arc suit karen for dark and arc suit flint for fire

imagine. flint and infernape not only being usable but being Good....

[manic mica]

3/5 Hala with Sync Multipliers? Yeah , can be a good option until then. I'm just hoping for a really good Ice unit to rerun or my Favourite Units SS Roxie or Oleana (Oleana will let me have two stalls and SS Roxie is hella cool)

[rapid osprey]

im still sad we dont have a flint/magmortar yet but

[manic mica]

I've noticed how often I go off topic. I went from 3/5 Hala to Poison stalling with Oleana in 2 sentences.

[fading cradle]

flint deserved better smh

[rapid osprey]

ill take arc suit flint instead

[fading cradle]

new year flint and magmortar to match his buddy 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

[rapid osprey]

TRUE

boyfriends real

[rapid osprey]

wait no galaxy brain. to be a perfect counterpart hes summer flint with magmortar full grill dad mode to complement formal wintery volkner

[sick inlet]

While I personally dislike poison stall, I hate to admit that it's one of the best ways to cheese clears.
You can literally do it with 2 units by themselves, let alone 3 tanky ones. (I mean possible to solo poison stall but that's annoying)

[lean lion]

Solo with?

[sick inlet]

I want arc flint with mega infernape.
Dena
Make it happen.

[sick inlet]

SS Leaf can solo some stages with enough mpr

[lean lion]

Do you think Oak got it?

[manic mica]

Oak doesn't have badly poison I'm pretty sure

[sick inlet]

I am sure there is someone else that can too, like Variety Pokeball if he actually poisons? Idk his kit but I know he's a menace

[manic mica]

I should be sure , I use oak for a living

[sick inlet]

Oak isn't thaaaaaat great
He probably duos at best

[lean lion]

Duo is no big deal

[sick inlet]

Then again, I am not a stall specialist - because i hate it

[manic mica]

I really want Oleana just for stalling

[lean lion]

Solo stall on the other hand?

[manic mica]

Oleana + any half decent support can duo I'm pretty sure

[sick inlet]

I did a few SS Leaf stall solos and I hated myself

[manic mica]

3k?

[sick inlet]

Yes

[manic mica]

Ah ok

[sick inlet]

Anything I solo is +3k

[manic mica]

I actually tried Bugsy Sync after finishing this week and I actually did 3.5k

Ngl , I had a lot of attitude about bugsy beforehand

[rapid osprey]

i was humbled by bugsy's performance in bug dc

[sick inlet]

All older units are actually a bit decent to use after expansions

[rapid osprey]

he had no reason to be dealing that much damage

[sick inlet]

Respect Hapu.

[manic mica]

I really need 2 4* supp candies for BP Barry , this month felt very bland in terms of events

[rapid osprey]

also, just got jasmine to 100 so i have an additional steel unit (ignore that i forgot about needing steels and got skyla to 3/5 instead of saving 500 to get jasmine to 3/5. its fine)

[manic mica]

Do units get expansion if they get EX ?

[sick inlet]

If I go back to doing 3v3 clears, Hapu gonna be on my ground weak stages, I assure it

They usually get the ex with the expansion

[manic mica]

That's kinda what I meant but thanks

[sick inlet]

If you mean EXing a unit makes it expanded

No

[manic mica]

Nah not that

[sick inlet]

But when Dena decided to give them EX capabilities, they get expansions

[manic mica]

Yes that's what I meant

[rapid osprey]

the pmex day addition is usually one unit getting ex and one unit getting grid upgrade

so like this month alakazam already has ex but is getting grid boost

oak/mew didnt get any grid change last month but thats also a very funky grid to begin with

doesnt look like gardenia got an expansion either

so yeah expansion and ex seem separate

[sick inlet]

There are some units that get them together
Some others already have expansions with no EX and vice versa

[fading cradle]

my poison stall team is bp morty, janine, and lucy

dunno how to 3k that

[mellow linden]

You’d basically take the 2.5k parameters and fill the gap with parameters that give as few offensive boosts to the opponents as you can manage

[rapid osprey]

ok. so rerunning it, i dont think i can make it to 13.5 so i'll just repeat 12

r1 glacia w/ colress lillie lodge cyn
r2 grimsley w/ jasmine solgaleo rika
r3 olivia w/ bp falkner grimsley hop
r4 bertha w/ kukui poppy and ssa cyn
r5 red w/ darach arc steven and third slot doesnt super matter

hm actually colress can give lillie her +1 crit so maybe someone other than lodge cyn

maybe we pack leaf? she doesnt max spdef but she lets me take off the tiles for colress and lillie to max their own def and atk

[north gulch]

Whats the strat for bertha on the special stadium i die on the first sync

[mellow linden]

There’s a variety of options, such as:

• Do 1st Sync with an EXd Sprint pair (or EXd pair of another role that has Sprint EX role unlocked) to match the faster Sync from the opponent.
• Have a team that’s able to burst the center down before they Sync even with it being faster.
• Switch to a post-Sync strategy (+ parameters if Master Mode).
• Poison stall.
• Possibly others I’m not thinking of.

[north gulch]

Thanks im gonna try to offtype with 3 damage dealers

[mellow linden]

Triple damage-dealer teams are rarely good

They often have little to no synergy and many times multiple of them eat tons of gauge

[north gulch]

True i cant keep the gauge up

Maybe 2 and a defense debuffer

[mellow linden]

+101

[frozen depot]

> Teambuilding 101
Make sure you've done the Victory Road tutorial for an introduction to the game's teambuilding & gameplay.

1. Build your team around a damage dealer that hits the stage's weakness (or off-type if they're strong enough). This can be a / striker or a tech. Read the unit's kit carefully - moves & passives - to see what they can buff themselves. Ideally you want to be at +3 critical-hit rate and +6 attack or special attack depending on the unit. Damage dealers should be slot 3 in tactics

2. Choose a support to put in slot 1 tactics so it takes the damage. Your support should cover the buffs and damage dealer needs they cannot max by themselves reliably - critical hit rate and SpAtk/Atk being the main ones. If your damage dealer is self-sufficient, you can look at defensive, healing or other utility supports instead.

3. The 3rd slot is flexible and depends on your other two pairs. You could take a tech focusing on utility such as debuffs or field effects to enhance your damage dealer, or another support that covers a team need like defenses, healing or boost gauge speed for demanding damaging moves. If your team allows it, you can even pick a 2nd damage dealer! It's important to experiment & remember that a successful team needs to manage gauge properly for triple queueing and buffing your damage dealier efficiently so they can start attacking as soon as possible!

See the image below for a visual guide. And check out #1010307000346878062 or the bot commands pinned in #bot-zone for more information on Triple Queue & other game information!

[mellow linden]

Read that

Just slapping together 2 random damage-dealers + a debuffer is not going to make a good team if the damage-dealers aren’t getting any of their needed buffs

[north gulch]

well i was trying to burst them before they sync but i still dont do enough dmg

I have nc red and nc marnie that basically buff themselves

[mellow linden]

NC Red and NC Marnie don’t have much synergy

You’d likely be better off switching to a post-Sync strategy/parameter set unless you have some very powerful high-synergy teams

[mellow linden]

Also another thing to mention is that the sides on Steel weak Bertha have tripled base Sp. Def., and there is no way to get around that

[north gulch]

Ok im gonna try something else then

How about nc red with skyla and a random hail setter

For post sync

[mellow linden]

The sides will be taking 1/3 damage with no way to get around it

Because they have tripled base Sp. Def.

If you don’t have any strong physical options then you want to strongly consider Poison stall

[fading cradle]

steel weak bertha doesn’t set weather either, does she?

[mellow linden]

Nope

[fading cradle]

if no, then there’s no reason a hail setter should be there, hail doesn’t power up ice type moves anyways

[mellow linden]

If their NC Red is 3/5 and gridded for it then he can get boosts from Hail, but if he’s 1/5 or not gridded for it then you’re correct

[fading cradle]

so he gets a hail boost tile at 3/5?

[mellow linden]

Yeah

[fading cradle]

ah i didnt know that, can red set hail on his own or does he need someone to set hail for him?

[sharp willow]

He has a grid tile that lets him set hail on his first sync I believe, but most of the time he'd want an external source

[north gulch]

Well i do have 3/5 nc red but i thought weather also gives some attack boost on its own
Also I’m more worried about the center than the sides but i could try my strongest physical which is prob red and pikachu 1/5

[fading cradle]

so apparently red does get a boost from hail if he’s 3/5 but even so, the sides for steel weak bertha have wise entry x3

[mellow linden]

The only weathers that innately boost moves are Sun and Rain boosting Fire and Water moves respectively.

Hail and Sandstorm provide no benefits unless the Sync Pair has a damage modifier passive that requires it

[north gulch]

Ok good to know

[empty portal]

Any Pasio Special Stadium clears posted anywhere?

[old orchid]

You can search for clears posted here or in #1010274591601598555

Do note that you can not search in threads on mobile

[median kindle]

Who are some good sync pair to pair with alder and volcarona?

[old orchid]

a bulky support that supplies gauge and a zone setter/eraser to override Sidney's zone

[median kindle]

Any examples?

[lean lion]

Look through your supports for someone who buffs defense and speed

[median kindle]

What does speed do tbh

I never really noticed anything

[old orchid]

it makes gauge recharge faster to ensure you do triple queue every time

which is crucial for slow pairs

[median kindle]

Would blue and blastoise be good?

Nvm I just found out Steven had a weakness to water

[old orchid]

support typing does not matter

[median kindle]

Skyla has defense and speed

[old orchid]

SS Blue is an excellent choice, especially if he is 2/5 for speed buffs

Skyla is another good option

[median kindle]

What would a good zone setter be?

[old orchid]

anyone that overrides Dark Zone

preferably a Bug Zone setter, because of the obvious reason

[median kindle]

Which sync pairs are bug zone

[cinder summit]

Conditions:

1: 3* Min Rarity | All Pairs (Limited Included) | Any Zone‎

------------------------------

Akari & Samurott
‎　⤷Mutual Understanding!, Master Crafter Ceaseless Edge
Arc Suit Cynthia & Garchomp
‎　⤷Myth Archeologist
Avery & Slowking
‎　⤷Elegant Psychic Beam
Blue (Classic) & Charizard
‎　⤷Burning Rivalry Fire Beam
Calem (Champion) & Greninja
‎　⤷Transformational Double Team
Courtney & Camerupt
‎　⤷Ground Wish
‎　⤷Earthen Opening Sync
Elio (Alt.) & Stakataka
‎　⤷Rock Zone Extension 3
Gardenia (Summer 2024) & Dhelmise
‎　⤷I-I’m Not Afraid!, Courageous Strides Ghost Beam
‎　⤷Steel Zone Extension 5, Ghost Zone Extension 3
Geeta & Glimmora
‎　⤷Blooming Mortal Spin, Top Champion’s Guidance Mortal Spin
‎　⤷Top Champion’s Pressure

‎

Giovanni & Rhydon
‎　⤷Remembering the Past Ground Impact
Gladion & Weavile
‎　⤷See More of the World Ice Impact
‎　⤷Arctic Arrival
Grusha & Cetitan
‎　⤷Let’s Cool Down!
Hop (Champion) & Zapdos
‎　⤷Triumphant Research!
‎　⤷Brawling Opening Sync
Ingo (Special Costume) & Accelgor
‎　⤷Bug Wish
Irida & Glaceon
‎　⤷Ice Wish
‎　⤷Arctic Arrival
Iris (Fall 2022) & Naganadel
‎　⤷Poison Wish
Leaf & Blastoise
‎　⤷Kaboom Kaboom Water Beam
Lillie (Special Costume) & Polteageist
‎　⤷It’s Teatime!
Lucas & Dialga
‎　⤷Dragon Wish
‎　⤷Dragon Zone Extension 3

‎

Marnie & Scrafty
‎　⤷We Aren’t Givin’ Up Dark Impact
‎　⤷Debut: Dark Zone
Marnie (Palentine's 2022) & Mawile
‎　⤷Steel Wish
Nemona & Lycanroc
‎　⤷Happy to Go All Out Rock Impact
‎　⤷Debut: Rock Zone
Palmer & Regigigas
‎　⤷Normal Wish
Rika & Clodsire
‎　⤷Rampant Mud Slap
‎　⤷Ground Zone Extension 5
Selene & Umbreon
‎　⤷S-Move: Dark Zone
Selene (Special Costume) & Scizor
‎　⤷Steel Wish, Crushing Red Justice Steel Impact
‎　⤷Steel Zone Extension 3
Silver & Crobat
‎　⤷Believe in You More Flying Beam
‎　⤷Landing Pad
Skyla (Anniversary 2022) & Tornadus
‎　⤷Flying Wish
‎　⤷Flying Zone Extension 3

‎

Sygna Suit Cynthia (Aura) & Lucario
‎　⤷Cynthia’s Aura
Sygna Suit Cynthia (Renegade) & Giratina
‎　⤷Ghost Wish
Sygna Suit Cyrus & Darkrai
‎　⤷Dark Wish
‎　⤷Dark Zone Extension 3
Sygna Suit Diantha & Diancie
‎　⤷Rock Wish
‎　⤷Rock Zone Extension 3
Sygna Suit Hau & Tapu Koko
‎　⤷Fairy Wish
Sygna Suit Mina & Tapu Fini
‎　⤷Fairy Zone Debut & Extension 5, Fairy Kingdom
Sygna Suit Piers & Toxtricity
‎　⤷The Show Begins!
Sygna Suit Roxie & Toxtricity
‎　⤷Amped and Vibed, Poison Zone Extension 2, 1st S-Move: Poison Zone
Sygna Suit Wally & Gardevoir
‎　⤷Fairy Wish
‎　⤷Fairy Zone Extension 3

‎

Thorton & Magnezone
‎　⤷One Hundred Percent Steel Beam
Victor & Spectrier
‎　⤷Night Dash Ghost Beam
‎　⤷Debut: Ghost Zone
Viola (Holiday 2023) & Vivillon
‎　⤷Bug Wish, Mystical Icy Snow Dance Bug Beam
Volo & Togepi
‎　⤷Masterful Metronome, Ruin Enthusiast Merchant Dazzling Gleam
Wallace (New Year's 2024) & Blacephalon
‎　⤷Burning Elegant Fire Beam

[old orchid]

just find someone who does not cast Dark Zone here

[median kindle]

I chose arc Cynthia

I tried doing a 3k but it didn’t work

[lean lion]

If you're just starting out in MM, it's highly recommended to go for the 850 pt preset in pins of this channel.

You can attempt higher points once you're familiar with the mode

[median kindle]

I typically did 2.5k in the past and had no issue

But I was hoping I’d be able to knock on eventually

[vague solar]

Hit 12.5k woo

[lean lion]

Team is Alder Skyla AS Cynthia vs Sidney right?

AS Cynthia is kinda wasted here since she won't do any meaningful damage with standard reduction. And she's way too good to be a zone bot.

[fading cradle]

that kris carry damn

[vague solar]

Her 3/5 grid is insane LOL

[sick inlet]

Everything can be a zone setter if they have zones

Me: Stares at Giratina intensively

[calm marsh]

V Thorton

[sick inlet]

Well
He sucks at setting because you need his sync

Idk who made his kit but Field with no way to set zone even once bruh

(if not EX'd)

[gleaming jolt]

It was annoying!

[lunar meadow]

"optimize" bertha and red were hard

[median kindle]

Is 15k really hard to hit?

[fast bough]

How do I know when my roster’s ready for higher than 4.5k runs?

[left storm]

Start by trying to add 2-300 points per stage

[fast bough]

Ah, alr

[left storm]

Even more if you have a particularly strong team

[fast bough]

Well, so far my best units are Arc Cynthia, Arc Lance, Arc Steven, SS Lear, SS Nemona, and Solgaleo Lillie I think

[vague solar]

You could probably squeeze out a 2.5k battle with Arc Steven/Lillie/Lear

[left storm]

I think saving one for each stage will easily net you 1500-2000 points per stage if you want to (they can easily beat even 3-4k stages at 1/5)

[vague solar]

Would need like the perma field parameter but still

[left storm]

Not really

If stage is their type weak lear, Steven, Cynthia, lance, nemona easily destroy with basically no help whatsoever

[fast bough]

Ah, okay, I’ll try that. Apparently the Arc Suits and SS Lear are some of the best units in the game, and SS Nemona’s very high up there, so I thought they’d be able to do at LEAST higher stages than what I’m currently doing. Just didn’t want to end up beating my head against the wall cuz I accidentally went too high in difficulty

[left storm]

Can always downsize

Pick a range, try couple times, lower by 100-200, try again

Until you win

[fast bough]

Ahh, yeah, makes sense

[vague solar]

Oh true yeah, forgot about the event stadium I was thinking the weekly one

3k with arc Steven is mad easy with the event

[fast bough]

What params do I use? Still very confused on how to optimize these things-