#Champion Stadium

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lean lion
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This is your last battle before the champion (Wallace) right?

blazing perch
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Yeap

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This my support roster

lean lion
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Try Sonia

Just noticed Argenta. Go with her instead.

blazing perch
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Ok so I don’t think the pre sync works cause n takes 2 turns to attack

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But still does like 8k when attacks

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Is this good? Maybe for hail to get rid of sandstorm

lean lion
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Yeah, try this. Level Candice to 120, use Hail as your first move.

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I'm honestly not too sure on whether N can clear this. If it doesn't work, you can look into off typing or stalling.

old orchid
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The team has enougu bulk to take one sync, and you can use Argenta's Max Guard to nullify dmg once

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Do you have Hala as backup plan?

lean lion
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2/5

blazing perch
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Yeap 2/5

lean lion
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Would Hala work for 2.5k?

old orchid
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Should be. Haymaker is unlocked at 2/5

blazing perch
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So I try with this team on pre sync preset then if I lose try hala?

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Should I grid candice?

lean lion
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No, all she needs is level 120

blazing perch
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Ok

blazing perch
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Yeap didn’t work so about hala what’s the strat?

old orchid
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Replace Argenta with a gauge and defensive support

blazing perch
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I feel like n can’t do it he attacks so slow

old orchid
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Yes because his attack takes 2 turns

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You can win with him by using post sync with adjustment to the support

blazing perch
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Should I try poison stall with morty janine Lucy?

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Then on reset I try with better supports cause I used them already

lean lion
# blazing perch Should I try poison stall with morty janine Lucy?

Try what Gakon suggested first.

Use the on-type post sync params. Replace tech x 3 dmg for Interference Immunity and Physical Dmg Reduction for Special Damage Reduction.

And instead of Argenta bring either Sonia, Hop, BP Morty or Skyla (someone who can buff team defense and has potions).

blazing perch
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Should I replace dawn? Or someone?

old orchid
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should not matter because of SS Lyra

blazing perch
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Post or pre?

old orchid
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you can figure it out by yourself

blazing perch
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Ok thanks for the tips and help guys

fading cradle
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GeetaTired i really should have been around during 4th anni huh

old orchid
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you can replace Candice with Winona

fading cradle
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she is

lean lion
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You should reach 2nd sync before enemy in that case

fading cradle
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idek anymore, i dont even wanna try anymore atp, idk if im using the wrong moves or what, i cant reach the second sync in time

lean lion
fading cradle
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is there any grid i should be following for winona?

old orchid
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Air Slash MGR + Aggravation should be enough

fading cradle
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dude i cant fucking time anything right, i didn’t even make it to the second sync

lean lion
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Can you show Leaf's grid?

swift swan
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adrenaline is crucial if you can't quadqueue

lean lion
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Also, you can save one of Leaf's TMs for after her sync if guage is too slow

fading cradle
lean lion
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Do you need the potion MPRs?

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If not you can replace them and Ramped Up for Tackle MGR and Staggering

old orchid
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how is your Hala's grid?

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also, i think that you haven't posted your params here, they might be the problem too

fading cradle
fading cradle
lean lion
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Swap Hala's grid to this

old orchid
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melissa's is 3/5 so she can take sync tiles

lean lion
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I remembered 2/5 from roster ss my bad

old orchid
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for SEUN

keen jasper
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I'd use Hala as a DPS while Candice nukes

fading cradle
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i sync with leaf first so i can only hope i make it to the 2nd sync NanuLMFAO

old orchid
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syncing with Leaf first is the good choice

lean lion
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What's your move order to start?

fading cradle
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and idk what moves to queue either since i use everyone’s tms right off the bat (except the weather changer)

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rain dance -> leaf tm -> hala tm

old orchid
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for Hala it's Dire Hit once, then start attacking while Leaf uses her TM

keen jasper
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Why Winona? Maybe the weather and flinch, but Candice might do more

old orchid
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grid Berserk Bunch 1 to cover for atk buffs on Hala until he uses his TM before his sync

keen jasper
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Especially because Hala has multipliers under hail

old orchid
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that could work, but the strat requires investments on Candice

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4* and full grid at leasy

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least

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if melissa can afford it, it's not a bad option

fading cradle
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i dont even remember what grid i have on candice

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and what grid can i run on leaf for berserk bunch?

lean lion
old orchid
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i haven't thought about that

lean lion
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They can manage guage with the correct move order

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I don't think the damage is lacking. Just that queuing consistently is a problem.

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Something like:

Rain - Leaf Tm - Hala TM

Air Slash - Tackle - Dire Hit+

Winona TM - Tackle - Ice Hammer

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Having Leaf's and Winona's TMs for later will let Hala use gauge for 2nd sync cycle.

fading cradle
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there’s also the sides and their damn earthquake spam

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sigh, i wasnt lying when i said 15king this stupid stadium is gonna be impossible since this week tackles all of my weaker rosters

swift swan
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ice hammer can't twoshot sides?

fading cradle
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im focusing more on trying to ko drake

swift swan
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Hala's nuke isn't enough to KO Drake post support EX?

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see if his nuke + 1 ice hammer is enough to KO

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so that hala can spend his turns ice hammering sides (if gauge allows, that is)

fading cradle
swift swan
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uhh

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is it because you can't triplequeue consistently

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with Leaf's adrenaline you should make it to 2nd sync just fine, given that your triplequeue is consistent

fading cradle
lean lion
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Are you running Winona or Candice?

swift swan
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they both have similar speeds HMMMM Winona can help with flinch, while Candice can help with DPS (her DPS is shit but at least it's there)

fading cradle
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oh yeah sometimes this stupid queue on the right happens 🗿 im done with this damn fight i hate this

toxic cobalt
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That's an odd queue order. You should have air slash last

fading cradle
lean lion
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Just move Winona to 3rd

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Same moves queued but Winona goes 3rd

fading cradle
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well this was the closest i got LanceShrug stupid old man still managed to sync

lean lion
fading cradle
lean lion
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3k MM is kinda RNG reliant, no arguments there. Especially the tougher regions.

fading cradle
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yeah true, idk why i have my expectations set up so high knowing 3/5 of the battles this week are weak to my weaker rosters. sighhhhh smh

lean lion
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Its alright. Try again after a break. If it gets too much, no harm in lowering the pts a little. Your sanity is worth it.

swift swan
sick inlet
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Hmmm

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If there is struggle with quadqueing
Should use rain in the second turn cycle instead of first

lean lion
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Leaf is gridded for Adr. They're having issues triple queing consistently and not making it to 2nd sync.

worn tusk
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Is drake r4 hard

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Ive been having trouble off type and on typing with ghetsis

nocturne pawn
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do you have hala

worn tusk
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yeah

nocturne pawn
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what move level

worn tusk
nocturne pawn
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can you ex him

worn tusk
rapid osprey
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ok. i need ex for arc cyn sooner rather than later. so.

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trying to figure out where that poison unit fits tho... eugh

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not drake bc i want to set hail

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maybe on glacia?

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maybe oak/nido tanks glacia?

nocturne pawn
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glacia also wants a weather change

wheat dragon
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huh...interesting

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thought this would be an easy 15k week for once but im having a liiiiitle difficulty

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pretty sure I have the power, even if my units are a bit old

lean lion
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which fight are you struggling with?

wheat dragon
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Current obstacles: Fairy weak Sidney and Ice weak Drake

lean lion
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maybe you need to tweak you parameters

wheat dragon
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probably

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For Sidney they take out my fairy tanks before dianth cn clear

lean lion
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What's the team and params?

wheat dragon
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team: Gardiantha, Lodge Lillie, Sycamore

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Clef Lillie also occasionlly replacess the non diantha units above

old orchid
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i would replace Sycamore

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he and Diantha fight for first sync

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you don't need to build monotype teams

lean lion
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yeah, you basically need to reset if Sidney throws Close Combat

wheat dragon
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yeah CC HURTS

wheat dragon
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but yeah i figured as much

old orchid
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theme skills don't matter at all

wheat dragon
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it would have been nice to just slap ss dawn up there for the easy defense

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but dark weak x.x

old orchid
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do you have any Fairy Zone setter?

wheat dragon
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no

old orchid
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then bring a spdef debuffer

wheat dragon
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i brought sc jasmine once

old orchid
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she doesn't buff defense

wheat dragon
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correct

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the physical side wore her down

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but she does get to 3x sp.d

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wait, you said sp.d debuffer

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okay uhh...lets see

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how is lenora?

old orchid
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do you have Lucian?

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he has atk debuffs, as well as speed buffs for the whole team

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which is appreciated by Diantha

wheat dragon
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never used him but he's 2/5, will tht be enough?

rapid osprey
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its not the end of the world but man i always forget how trash my ice roster is until i have to actually use said ice roster

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lucian is so fun

wheat dragon
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wait he's dark weak

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ummm

lean lion
rapid osprey
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flint is a terrible unit so that the other 3 members of the sinnoh e4 could have amazing kits

graceful smelt
wheat dragon
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ahh thats the other thing

lean lion
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If you want send your ice units and we can try to come up with something

wheat dragon
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oh boy i cant wait to bring hail to counter sandstorm

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wait why is glacia have a weakness warning

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iron head inbound

rapid osprey
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sides have steel

keen jasper
rapid osprey
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candice blech

wheat dragon
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my ice striker is summer steven

keen jasper
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I recommend Candice as the nuker and Hala to DPS the sides

wheat dragon
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which is a problem because if center flinches, the sides attack

rapid osprey
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i love u sinnoh i hate you early pmex sinnoh units who got absolutely atrocious kits

wheat dragon
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with steel

keen jasper
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Hala can also weaken Drake

rapid osprey
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woooooof

swift swan
fading cradle
keen jasper
swift swan
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it still won't help if Hala needs to spam ice hammer every other turn

lean lion
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one of her TMs uses 3 guage if queue at the wrong time

keen jasper
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Yeah

fast bough
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I’m struggling pretty hard with finding out how to do Master Mode of the stadium. Is there any way I can do it with this current roster? (if it wasn’t obvious, I’m very new)

old orchid
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you should show us your pairs' move level next time

fast bough
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Oh, oops-

old orchid
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you can start looking at your roster and choose a dmg dealer for each round

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stage info can be found in the pins here, you can use it to choose the most suited options

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Hoenn CS is one of the hardest region, so i highly recommend studying the opponents carefully

fast bough
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Ah crap

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The main thing that confuses me is the options for how to nerf you for more points. Is there any, like, guidelines for what to pick for certain strategies?

old orchid
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yes, the pins also have guide for that

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starting with 850 pts is a good idea, since you can get all meaningful rewards with 5 850 pts battles

fast bough
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Alright. How do I access the pins on mobile?

gleaming jolt
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+pins

fast bough
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Thank you

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Did the move levels this time. Can any of these on type anything?

old orchid
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Glacia: Silver/Blaine duo
Sidney: SS Nemona
Drake: may have to offtype
Phoebe: same to Drake
Wallace: SS Erika

fast bough
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Can Arc Lance/Arc Cynthia off type either of those 2?

old orchid
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yes, easily

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each of them can carry a team on their own

fast bough
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Alr. Just one last question; what pre-sets are recommended for each of those fights?

old orchid
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it depends on your playstyle and the team itself

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for example, if you team does not have much bulk, better aim for pre sync (clear the battle before opponent' first sync) set

fast bough
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OHH, that’s what that means, okay

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I guess it’ll mostly depend on how good my supports are (I hope pulling for Rika was a good call, cuz I like her, and I need supports)

fast bough
old orchid
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Sorry, i should have said more clearly. I meant 5 battles with 850 pts

fast bough
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That’s what I did, yeah

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OH, wait

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I read the message wrong 🤣

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My bad

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Thought there was supposed to be a comma between the 5 and the 850

gleaming jolt
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If you didn't find it much challenging, next you can try with slightly more score like 1000 per stage!

fast bough
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Glacia was decently annoying since she spams AoE moves a lot, and my teams aren’t exactly equipped to deal with so many Blizzards to the face, but the rest of them weren’t too bad since I had broken units for all the rest of them

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Plus Lucky Skills have been kicking my ass, cuz I don’t get how Villa works and they keep not being what I need for the units (I’ve been reading the Sync Grid/Lucky Skills/Tier List Google Doc cuz my friend sent me it as a good way of understanding those mechanics)

gleaming jolt
half pumice
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Can anyone help with Glacia?
I've only started playing a few weeks ago as a F2P and I'm getting my teeth kicked in by all her blizzards + her huge HP pool and self heals

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I can do about 3k damage per attack (with recoil) using Hilda, F2P Oak and Blaine but she just keeps outlasting me since my heals run out by the time her sidekicks die
If I had Red I probably could've done this but I chose Blue instead

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Brother, Glacia was half HP and she just does one blizzard after 2nd Sync and one taps me

old orchid
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Is Hilda gridded at all?

half pumice
old orchid
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With Standfast 9 gridded the recoil damage should be neglectable

manic mica
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Would 15K CSMM be possible?

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Arcyn is EXR

lean lion
manic mica
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For Dark I poisoned stalled

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And Ice I just swept with Arc Cyn

lean lion
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Oh

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That's really good

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Go with SS Nemona vs Sidney

And Silver vs Glacia

manic mica
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Glacia is where I had trouble

lean lion
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Try building a team around Silver + Blaine

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Where did you use Arc Steven?

manic mica
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Poison Stall

lean lion
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You can definitely put him to better use

manic mica
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I wasn't surviving at 3k for long enough and Lucy/Janine died followed by the support. Arc Stevens Triage Tank and Potion+ Sync Move Healing helped me outlive

lean lion
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It may even be possible to off type Glacia with Steven + Anni Lillie. Maybe.

manic mica
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Maybe I haven't fully gotten the concept of poison stalling.

lean lion
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Colress or *someone to change weather would be better

manic mica
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Hmm alright

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And for the poison stall , which should I be going for as support?

lean lion
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Can you candy BP Morty to 3/5?

manic mica
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Nope

old orchid
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A good defensive tank with recovery, like 3/5 Skyla for example

manic mica
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Plus I've seen her mostly go for shadow ball.

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I forgot , is her sync special or phy?

old orchid
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Phoebe? Physical

lean lion
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Stage has both Phys and special moves

manic mica
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Yea ok got it

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C Bede?

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But he can't heal

old orchid
manic mica
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I could try 2/5 skyla

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Or wait

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Hop?

old orchid
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Hop is more like an offensive support, you can try him but it might take a lot of attempts because his recovery is not strong as Skyla's

manic mica
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What if I go for a special tank with great recovery and use round 4 param

lean lion
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R4 param will wear off around your first sync, but you can give it a go

manic mica
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Hmm

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I'll mess around with everything for a bit

pine schooner
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But I’m stuck with not being able to 3k Wallace since I don’t have an invested SS Erika (not ex’d either)

lean lion
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You can try Erika + Mallow with a physical buffer/guage support

pine schooner
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I’ll go try aaron out, thanks!

pine schooner
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Did it guyss 14k!!

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I might try 15k next week once I have enough EX units

fading cradle
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i might copy that team for wallace LMFAO

lean lion
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1/5

lean lion
fading cradle
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1/5?

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hmmm LucianScheme

pine schooner
pine schooner
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lance melts the side mons pretty quick, and nukes milotic nicely with b move after first sync

manic mica
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Or should I replace Colress with a Weather Changer.

lean lion
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Infinite Steel Zone would help out a lot

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Go with a weather changer yeah

manic mica
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Alr ty

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Sorry for the ping btw

lean lion
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It's fine, I don't mind SquirtleThumbsUp

left storm
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I fugged up and forgot to grab raging rain 5 to shoot The Strongest Razor Leaf™

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Could've hit for 120k instead

blazing perch
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Guys are there any presets for 3k?

lean lion
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check pins

old orchid
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Check the last pins, in particular

lean lion
blazing perch
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Ok thanks

gleaming jolt
turbid geyser
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….ok what in the world man this stage is offtype AND has sentry entry 2

keen jasper
gleaming jolt
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Rei's sure flinch with B move helped!
Also NC Rosa's confusion in that Round params hit on opponents more frequently!

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That was the easiest run in all 5 thanks to 3rd round params!
It is the only one which is pre sync!

Others are post sync

grand trout
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Does rock drake require weather manipulation like dragon and ice?

gleaming jolt
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Drake sets sandstorm on entry and sync

grand trout
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Im asking about rock drake

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Which is next week

gleaming jolt
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Oh mb

manic mica
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Why is my Steven boosting only 2 stages of crit instead of 3?

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Nvm

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I'm dumb IrisDerp

keen jasper
manic mica
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Took longer than needed but 3k Glacia off type Glacia done

manic mica
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Can't seem to do poison stall unfortunately

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I think it's more of a param problem tbh

blazing perch
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Guys is there any chance I do 3k with this roster?

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On glacia

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I only need drake and glacia btw the other ones I can do 3k

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Those are my supports

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Actually my whole roster

rain turret
gleaming jolt
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Cuz they are a new player! SerenaSip

old orchid
lean lion
manic mica
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sorry for the continuous ping

swift swan
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what round is this?

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R3 will double the chance of their sp def drops

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well 40% still isn't much tbf

lean lion
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I believe it is R3

lean lion
manic mica
lean lion
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What team are you running rn?

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And is this R3 or 4?

manic mica
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R3

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Oak , Lucy , Janine

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Haven't tried it tho

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His Potent Toxin, Mini potion MPR and protect help his survivability and damage alot

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And his poison sting also heals him if the opponent is poisoned

swift swan
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poison stall? sure then

manic mica
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After a lot of tries , finally got it.

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Rest hopefully should b a breeze

lean lion
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Nice!

manic mica
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1.5 hours to get the perfect RNG. I am burnt out but I can't believe I was able to do this. Second attempt 15k CSMM , (my love for oak and Nidorino has increased substantially)

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Thanks everyone Trout , Gakon , Nov for all the help aswell.

nocturne pawn
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the fact you beat lucy before 15k hoenn is kinda funny

fading cradle
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i need to know the params for that poison stall team

nocturne pawn
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big if true

fading cradle
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maybe i should move drake to r4, hes still giving me a headache 🫠

manic mica
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Why did Hard Sinnoh feel harder than this tho

fading cradle
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does the support have to be oak though

manic mica
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I used him since he was my best sp def tank

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With recovery

manic mica
fading cradle
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ohhh i might have to consider then. last time i poison stalled, i used bp morty as my support

manic mica
fading cradle
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i have him 3/5 non ex, so i’ll probably use him

manic mica
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He has infinite passive recovery in his grid which also helped

fading cradle
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i might copy some of your drake team too ngl, but i dont have arc suit cynthia 🤡 not sure who to bring in to change weather

manic mica
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Don't copy my team if you had arc cyn

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I used melony and Morgan to just stall turns

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With Max Resonance and Protect

fading cradle
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ah i see

fading cradle
nocturne pawn
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can you ex him

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cuz haymaker + super prep should be able to wipe sides and chunk him hard

fading cradle
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don’t have enough spirits

nocturne pawn
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that used to be my go to for ice

nocturne pawn
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wise entry x2 stage so ghetsis isnt too good here

fading cradle
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yeah sadly VolknerDed i’ll probably have him ex’ed by the time ice weak drake returns but i have a few other candidates i wanted to ex so 🫠🫠🫠

lean lion
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Also nice thinking by bringing Oak

manic mica
manic mica
lean lion
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Idk what to tell you. This isn't an easy CS by any measure.

manic mica
lean lion
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Sinnoh and Hoenn are considered the 2 most difficult CS regions

manic mica
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Oh nice

lean lion
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Did you grid Oak for the clear?

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His grid has some nice stuff for Stalling

manic mica
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Potent Toxin , Mini potion MPR , TM MPR , Hit Poisoned Opponent and Heal , Special Damage Reduction Field Duration Increase

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Those were the ones I got I believe

lean lion
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Perfect

manic mica
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I got 6 MPR's on TM

fading cradle
manic mica
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I realized I didn't get persisting barrier 3

fading cradle
blazing perch
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Or maybe u have 3/5 arc cynth and nuke?

manic mica
blazing perch
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My Cynthia is 2/5 can’t clear it fast enough

blazing perch
blazing perch
manic mica
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Actually no

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I reset until he does X Speed All I believe

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And then I use Max Move the next turn

lean lion
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Note that you'll have an easier time vs Drake if you bring a Defense buffer. All of Drake's moves are physical. Arc Cynthia can brute force the stage regardless, but survival would be way easier with a physical tank.

blazing perch
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I tried with arc cynth hop and melony still losing

lean lion
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Is damage or surviving the issue?

manic mica
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My strat was just buffing it's offenses to the max with no defense and then using Damage Guard Next to live and let Arc Cyn sweep

blazing perch
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Kind of both

manic mica
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Also my Cyn is EXR'd

blazing perch
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Mine too

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But still 2/5

lean lion
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1/5 Cynthia is enough for the stage

blazing perch
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Then I’m doing something wrong

lean lion
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and reset the run if they spam Earthquake too many times in a row

old orchid
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Power on hit 1 and 2 are usually free params in pre sync and quick post sync context

blazing perch
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Does anyone have a replay to show me the start I die after couple turns by flygon

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Strat*

lean lion
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Which round is this?

blazing perch
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When flygon is like 30-40% hp

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Alone

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He already sync once

lean lion
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No, I mean what round are you fighting Drake on?

blazing perch
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3rd

lean lion
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Okay that could be the problem

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are you getting flinched a lot?

blazing perch
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Only like 1 time

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I feel like Cynthia doesn’t do enough dmg to clear fast

lean lion
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I'll try it out give me a few mins

blazing perch
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Sure thanks

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You can suggest me other supports too if melony is the problem etc

lean lion
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Can you send a screenshot of your available supports and techs?

blazing perch
old orchid
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You have enough pairs to comfortably ontype Drake

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SS N + Candice + a support, Candice wants to be gridded with Inertia at least

blazing perch
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I didn’t send the strikers

pearl canyon
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12550 on my first master mode, im pretty happy given the scuffed-ness of my teams

lean lion
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What move level is Hala?

blazing perch
blazing perch
pearl canyon
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only one there that isnt 1/5 is ss steven is the thing

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oh and hilda

old orchid
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2/5 Hala, should be good enough if you don't wanna grid Candice

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As you can nuke with him instead

blazing perch
old orchid
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Grid Haymaker, sync with support first then quad queue to ensure you sync twice before enemies' first sync

blazing perch
old orchid
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You need to lock the team first

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Which support would you use

blazing perch
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Is this good?

lean lion
#

Candice instead of Melony to replace Sandstorm

old orchid
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And a gauge support instead of Hop

blazing perch
#

Let me check

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Dunno what’s the filter so I used both acceleration and charge

lean lion
#

Someone who can recharge guage and/or buff team speed

blazing perch
#

Oh what about this then

lean lion
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Give it a go

lean lion
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Ping was a mistake Gakon oops

blazing perch
#

Still need to figure the params for 3k

lean lion
#

You can figure it out. Try using these pointers #1009554906568462476 message to add 500 points to the 2.5k on-type presync (more damage) preset

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Send the params you pick here if you want, someone will go over them

blazing perch
#

Don’t think I can do it with the team I picked but anyway

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Couldn’t even do 2,5k points pre sync

lean lion
#

Are you planning on poison stalling another stage?

blazing perch
#

Maybe glacia cause mix blue ss Hilda is not working

lean lion
#

SS Hilda can handle Glacia

blazing perch
#

Not mine 😂

lean lion
#

It's a tough fight in general with all the AoE spam, but you can get through

blazing perch
#

She is 1/5 not exed

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I clear pretty fast the sides but still die

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I manage to do 2,5k

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But not 3

lean lion
#

SS Hilda Mix Blue + a Special support can 3k

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And given that you have these options available for Glacia. I highly recommend poison stalling Drake and getting it over with.

blazing perch
#

Are you sure if all are 1/5 not ex can 3k?

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I almost lose to 2,5k

lean lion
#

You have a really good support on your roster that'll basically guarantee the win

blazing perch
#

Arc stev?

manic mica
#

I was thinking chase

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Kanto Analysis will help blue a lot

lean lion
#

Sync accel. And Kanto circle will make Glacia's moves easier to tank

manic mica
#

off topic , I really wish I could spend 5k paid on support banner and pick chase , I love his kit

blazing perch
blazing perch
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I need post sync or pre sync?

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I think I did it pre sync with 2,5k

lean lion
#

This is R3 right? Do Glacia here and move Drake to R4

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Presync

blazing perch
#

Ok I will try and tell you what are the problems after 😂

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Blue and hilda die from blizzard

wheat dragon
#

bah, still a little stuck on round 3

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tried shifting from sidney r3 to drake

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Very close but not cigar

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Maybe Lana with Wide Gaurd would help?

blazing perch
lean lion
#

Params can be tweaked a little but tbh you are going to have to reset for good move RNG. If they spam Blizzard - Icy Wind, just reset. You want them to use either TMs or single target moves.

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This Glacia stage in particular has buffed offenses, so she's meant to hit hard unfortunately

lean lion
# blazing perch

Use these + standard reduction and strength 6

Also just to make sure, you are using Blue's max move at the start right?

blazing perch
lean lion
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Use Chase's TMs to make sure you sync twice with Hilda before Glacia

lean lion
blazing perch
blazing perch
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If they blizzard 1 time

manic mica
#

Like Trout said , try to keep resetting for better RNG to where they use only TM , X items or Single Target moves until they reach sync , by which it should be easy

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If not dead

blazing perch
#

I will try couple resets but I think the team is weak even if I get once attacked they die

lean lion
#

Given the setup it may even be possible to replace atk 3 and hp 2 for hp 4 to make Glacia's attacks more tolerable

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Hilda and Blue should be able to do enough damage

blazing perch
lean lion
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use V-Create

blazing perch
#

That’s what I’m using but even when I double sync when glacia sync I lose only chase stays alive

lean lion
#

Mid isnt dying even with 2 Hilda syncs?

royal flicker
#

Any suggestion? I like to try off type. What should I add to get 3k?

blazing perch
lean lion
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Even then, it should be enough

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did you replace the atk param for hp like I said?

blazing perch
#

If I ex her and cake her will it make any difference cause I wanted to ex her cause I don’t have any decent fire for ex except her

blazing perch
lean lion
#

the other option is to go back to atk, make them less tanky and pray for good move RNG

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Hilda is not a bad unit to EX and cake. I wouldnt recommend doing it for one stage. But you can if you want.

blazing perch
#

I have like 4 of her cake

lean lion
#

although im pretty sure we can figure this out without investing more in Hilda

blazing perch
#

Support cake

lean lion
#

How many EXd supports do you have?

blazing perch
#

Not many

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Let me check

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Only 3

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Skyla ss brendan and arc steven

lean lion
#
  • with a physical damage dealer
royal flicker
#

I see

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even with 2.5k?

lean lion
lean lion
royal flicker
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do you think poison stall will work?

lean lion
#

yeah

blazing perch
royal flicker
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These are my only dark so, i dont have a choice

lean lion
lean lion
rigid flint
#

@wild scaffold show your parameters here

wild scaffold
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Sharing parameters

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Like sending4-5 screenshot?

sharp willow
#

yeah

wild scaffold
sharp willow
#

i see one issue already, defense parameters are often a bad idea

wild scaffold
#

I have defense 3 UP

sharp willow
#

with your current team, you could remove both of those and take "no weather, terrain or zone"

wild scaffold
#

Good idea

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I like using a fixed parameter so I dont need to invest time thinking

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But I will do that thx

sharp willow
#

you can also take the 50 point special damage reduction for a free 50 points, as that is bypassed entirely by crits

nocturne pawn
#

i tend to avoid defense like the plague since it gets multiplied by strength

nocturne pawn
#

yea

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since defense affects base stats and strength adds levels which adds to base stats

sharp willow
#

defense just weighs into the damage formula to a much greater extent than attack does, so taking a lot of it can kill your damage output pretty heavily

nocturne pawn
#

it gets annoying real fast

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isnt it raw divided by defense

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for damage calcs

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then multiplied by like .85-1.1

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for damage rolls

wild scaffold
#

Down to 30% not bad

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Restarting

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Wow I didn’t knew def parameters was that of a big deal

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No wonder I had struggled a little in pass CS

karmic zephyr
#

What's the maximum number of points you guys think I can get with this roster? Cause I don't know which score to aim for

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I got 6k on Monday

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But I feel like I could've done more

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wait I just realised the glitch at the end

old orchid
#

no one knows until you try, let's start with brainstorming teams first

karmic zephyr
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yeah but the thing is, I don't want to aim for 3k and do nothing

karmic zephyr
old orchid
#

that works, helpers can give you feedback on improvements

karmic zephyr
#

yeah I'd like that

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and you see my roster

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the last few pairs that don't show up are lillie anniversary 5/5

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cynthia exr 1/5

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and viktor spectrier 3/5

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and I'll show you what I used to clear it

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I got exactly 6k and 2.5k alone were from Phoebe

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so we already know that team is broken

old orchid
#

Glacia can be improved with an actual tank instead of Acerola

karmic zephyr
#

like who? Why did I do Acerola on that team? I think I had a reason

old orchid
#

same with Sidney

old orchid
karmic zephyr
#

someone who buffs my special def

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let me see who i have. give me a min

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Starmie Misty

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or Melony Lapras

old orchid
#

good options, i also recommend Event Oak personally

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anyway, move to Sidney team, replacing one of the sup with BP Valerie would help a lot

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especially if you are able to double candy her

karmic zephyr
#

with Mawile?

old orchid
#

yes

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the Sylveon one is not worth using

karmic zephyr
#

okay so I can do Wally, Valerie, Torterra

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and in glacia team, replace Acerola

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I also recall you saying I should have used SS Erika for another team

old orchid
#

SS Erika is great on Wallace, because she is literally ontype

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and there is a perma field effect param this week so her sun permanently stays

karmic zephyr
#

okay so if I use her on Wallace, who do I replace in the Glacia team?

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I mean who do I replace her for

old orchid
#

a sun setter, ofc

karmic zephyr
#

hmm do I have another?

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let me search

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if I use Gordie Coalossal and gigantamax him?

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and then I have Blaine Rapidash

old orchid
#

Blaine has on demand sun, that's enough

karmic zephyr
#

okay so resetting

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and let's see

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if I go for 10k, how many do I need per round?

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2.5?

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no

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2

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I know the presets on the pins yeah, I use those

old orchid
#

that depends on the team, try to experiment with params to achieve maximum possible points

karmic zephyr
#

you mean 3k on each? damn

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okay

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that's ambitious

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okay so for sidney I'm going for on type pre sync

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I'm scared

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I feel like I clicked way too many parameters

lean lion
#

Just give it a try. You'll be fine!

old orchid
#

i didn't tell you to aim for 3k points

karmic zephyr
#

nope, I die instantly

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I can't

old orchid
#

what are the params? and is Valerie still 1/5?

karmic zephyr
#

yes still 1/5

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the params were the 2.5k preset + some random ones to reach 3k

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but it's obvious I can't

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I could try the 2k preset

old orchid
#

3k requires good understanding of your pairs and enemies, as well some gameplay mechanics

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just try your best for now, don't go for the hardest challenge while being underprepared

wheat dragon
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bouncing from here and damage challenge

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same issue for the last few days, Round 3

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Drake and sidney remain

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slightly inaccurate sync list

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for sidney: been using Diantha as a striker, but not being able to deal enough damage before succumbing

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tried using Devestation, tried using Lucian, tried using Lenora, no dice

swift swan
#

3/5 Diantha can't beat Sidney? RHmm

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what are the parameters you're using?

wheat dragon
#

i tried on type pre sync and post sync templates, with additions into strength/power on hit to hit 3k marks

swift swan
#

hmm, on type presync sounds right

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how's her nuke with max devastation

wheat dragon
#

can kill sides but not sol

grand steppe
#

what was the team?

wheat dragon
#

ive tried several

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diantha lillie (clef) lillie (comfey), diantha Viola (masq) SC Jasmine, Diantha lillie (clef) Sycamore (xerneas)....

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someone reccomended lucian once so i tried that out, didnt snag it either

grand steppe
#

and who was syncing first? was it a suppEX or Diantha?

wheat dragon
#

diantha

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i used to do the supports first, but i felt i wasnt getting the damage i needed

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especially since diantha has the mega tax

swift swan
#

i would try picking up all the attack and removing some strength

fading cradle
#

drake kept pissing me off r1 so i fought sidney instead 🤡

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which 100 point damage reduction should i choose for this team?

manic mica
lean lion
#

Yeah don't need to pick either

manic mica
#

This team already has massive damage output

fading cradle
#

fr? bc glacia obliterated this team bc of her damn aoe moves, idk if it’s a param issue

lean lion
#

Just reset if she spams AOE too much

lean lion
#

And try not giving them any Atk params

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3/5 Hilda will obliterate the stage no problem. Just need good move RNG.

manic mica
#

Order should be something like:
X Speed All
Psychic
Draining Kiss
Icy Wind
Draining Kiss
Hail
Sync Move

fading cradle
grand steppe
manic mica
lean lion
wheat dragon
lean lion
#

The Power on hit params are pretty much free points. Giving Glacia atk is way worse (she has buffed offenses to begin with)

grand steppe
#

Don't tank with ssElesa.

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I'm using a 2/5 diantha, I got pretty close by utilizing flinch.

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also the only dark move i think is brutal swing

fading cradle
#

oh it really was the rng luck haha, they somehow survived 2 icy winds. thanks for the help 🫡

lean lion
#

Nice!

fading cradle
#

could this team 3k ☠️ idk if they’re be gauge issues or anything

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hell i forgot if phoebe utilizes special or physical attacks

wheat dragon
lean lion
#

Make sure to grid Karen for Dark Pulse aggravation. It'll help a lot to deal with sides once mid goes down.

fading cradle
lean lion
#

I'd say use it to tank moves you're having a tough time living. You don't have to use it, but if you need to, you can. Note that you'll have to quad queue off Max Move to not mess with sync countdown.

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Max guard

swift swan
#

make sure Karen is gridded for nuke and she's at max gauges when she syncs. debuff sp atk as much as possible for her sync

fading cradle
lean lion
wheat dragon
lean lion
#

Tbf Aurochs makes it look easy

fading cradle
#

their f2p runs always look easy

fading cradle
lean lion
#

Melissa I think running 2 poison stall teams is also an option for you if needed

fading cradle
#

i WAS thinking of running a poison stall team with janine, bp morty, and lucy for drake since im sick of him, but how would i make two poison stall teams then

lean lion
#

Try this first. Just letting you know it is an option.

fading cradle
lean lion
#

You'll need both flinch and sing so can't pick Interference Immunity and no status. Replace them with atk3.

For the last 50pts I think you'll have to go with strike or tech x3 dmg. Phoebe has no AOE moves till mid goes down, at which point you can stun lock the sides so it should be a problem.

fading cradle
#

dude i can’t reach the second sync in time

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i cant quadqueue to save my life

gleaming jolt
#

Do you have someone to offtype?

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Like two DDs and a support?

fading cradle
#

i do have a lot of strong off typers left but i wanna try to use this team a few more times before i resort to off typing

lean lion
#

You can use flinch to make it to 2nd sync

fading cradle
#

does this mean i have to focus on the sides too

lean lion
#

You just need to flinch/sleep them once after first sync to make it. Just make sure to queue the move last.

gleaming jolt
fading cradle
lean lion
#

Not necessarily, but you can for eg. put left to sleep after your first sync which will allow you to make it to 2nd sync

lean lion
swift swan
fading cradle
#

okay now all of a sudden my sings are failing

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this is starting to get annoying now, ive restarted this fight like 3 times already

gleaming jolt
#

That's rng!
It happens a lot to me

lean lion
#

Resetting is part of 3k mm unfortunately

fading cradle
#

curse the rng ffs, that’s the reason why glacia obliterated my otherwise overkill fire team the first time

lean lion
#

You don't need to, but you can give Melony Troublemaker if you wanna guarantee that sing lands

fading cradle
#

DUDE. I CANT QUADQUEUE

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how am i so bad at quadqueing

lean lion
#

Are you trying to time it or button mashing?

fading cradle
#

button mashing ☠️

fading cradle
lean lion
#

3* crunchy cookie

#

If you're button mashing it's better to do it at 1x or 2x speed iirc (maybe someone can correct me)

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It's better to time it at max battle speed

fading cradle
#

at the fastest speed? i usually failed at triple queuing at the fastest speed

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also what grid should i put on melony? i just realized

lean lion
#

Yes cause it's better to time it at fastest speed

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If you're mashing do it on slower speed

fading cradle
#

i’ll probably do it at the slower speed then

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well, slowest speed

lean lion
#

Go with this

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@fading cradle A few changes, my bad

fading cradle
#

well fun fact even at the slowest speed, i still failed to triple queue, hella pathetic

#

quadqueue*

lean lion
#

What round is this?

fading cradle
#

3

#

i swear the god

#

the ONE time i was able to quadqueue, i accidentally used dark pulse on one of the sides

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now im starting to wonder if syncing with melony first for sync buff would be any different

old orchid
#

wow Phoebe has thick HP

#

you can try using Darach or a zone setter to override her Ghost Zone, and aim for post sync

fading cradle
#

who should i replace with darach then, lucian? im not sure if darach debuffs anything but attack and that wasn’t quite what i was going for

old orchid
#

Phoebe's sync is physical so it helps, and she occasionally uses physical attacks

#

Defog also allows you to get free 150 pts from crit shield

fading cradle
#

she has a physical sync? huh, i was focusing more on the special side since most of her regular attacks are special

lean lion
#

Would Melony's max move help survive sync at all Gakon?

fading cradle
#

atp i might just off type, this is too annoying

#

unsurprisingly the two elite four members giving me a headache are weak to my weaker rosters, why am i not surprised

lean lion
#

Which fights do you have remaining and what's your plan for them?

#

We could look into making 2 stall teams

fading cradle
#

i do want to poison stall drake bc fuck him but dont i have to replace weather for him

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and i have tons of powerful damage dealers left in case i need to off type

lean lion
#

Wouldn't matter if you stall

old orchid
#

it's been a long while since my last time using her in CSMM

fading cradle
lean lion
#

For Phoebe you can use Astro's team

For Drake you can try poison setter + atk debuffer + potion tank

fading cradle
#

what was astro’s team again?

lean lion
#

Oak Lucy Janine

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Phoebe R3

fading cradle
#

should you always sync with oak?

manic mica
#

It doesn't matter

#

Although for Safety , I had endure on sync on Janine and synced with her once just in case but it never got to that point

#

Although you need MPR on TM at the start. For +6 sp def.

fading cradle
#

do you have vigilance on oak?

manic mica
#

Yes

fading cradle
#

#

i hate this so damn much

manic mica
#

Are you using my grid?

fading cradle
#

i switched to bp morty

manic mica
#

Cuz the passive healing should b way more than enough

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Yeah cuz Oak gives Passive healing

#

Idk much about Morty tbh

lean lion
fading cradle
#

leaf? i’ll try her then

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but which param should i turn on in the place of half ally hp

lean lion
#

No, I mean using Morty for Phoebe is fine if you have Leaf for Drake

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With Morty half hp shouldn't be a problem. He's gridded?

fading cradle
#

oh yeah leaf if available, i’ll use her for drake then

lean lion
#

You need potion MPR

fading cradle
#

ig i’ll leave half ally hp on, idk when the right time to use potions is though

lean lion
#

Use Morty's TMs then use Potion on him if First Aid 4 doesn't proc by then

fading cradle
#

i cannot be making this shit up oh my god i actually might throw a desk off a skyscraper at this point

undone ether
#

Offtype gaming?

fading cradle
lean lion
#

Did you get potion MPRs?

fading cradle
lean lion
#

No I mean in the run

fading cradle
#

like once

lean lion
#

Did you get any mprs?

#

You'll need to fish for potion MPR

#

Retry a few times, any strat you go with will involve RNG so resetting is inevitable

fading cradle
#

sigh, atp i’m starting to think even off typing will save my sanity more by like 1%

lean lion
#

Yup

manic mica
#

Fyi , it took me almost 6 hrs for all 5 battles..

swift swan
#

Typical Hoenn experience

fading cradle
#

fuck hoenn, gives me another reason to shit on hoenn when arguing about my rival about whether unova or hoenn is better

left storm
#

Are you using stall parameters?

fading cradle
fading cradle
left storm
fading cradle
blazing perch
#

Can’t beat drake I’m so mad

left storm
#

Drake is indeed one of the toughest

#

Imo

blazing perch
#

I tried everything

#

I guess I will settle down to 14k I can’t 3k him

#

Maybe I can offtype with arc Steven and ani lilie but I have to reset

left storm
#

I mean why

#

What's the problem with those two

blazing perch
#

I already used them that’s what I mean

#

I tried with arc Cynthia to offtype but can’t

#

I tried with nc cheren too

left storm
#

Cheren shouldn't struggle too much as long as you remove sand

blazing perch
left storm
#

Again, anyone who removes sand

#
  • any suitable cheren enhancer
blazing perch
#

I will try a couple more teams

left storm
#

Sskris and dahlia are great premium options even at 1/5 to gapfill cheren and remove sand

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Another option could be just having an exed BP candice

fading cradle
#

does drake have wise entry 2 or something

left storm
#

Sand superiority

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Iirc

#

So 20/30% higher stats in sand

#

Iirc

#

Oh nvm

#

Just wise entry x2

#

Then yeah prob better off with a Phys unit

fading cradle
#

yeah pomatools said so

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i was about to considering brute forcing drake with on off typer but tons of my off typers are special

#

only physical off typers i have available rn are nc silver and nc nate

left storm
#

I mean units like NC red, irida or exed BP candice can probably make it with Dana

fading cradle
#

yeah i got none of that lmfao

left storm
#

Also with good enough enhancers, any Phys ice can do it too, like Hala, summer Steven or holeon

#

I even won with Wulfric once

fading cradle
#

i tried hala but his 4 gauge move is just killing me

#

slow gauge doesn’t help either

signal panther
#

@manic mica ^

manic mica
#

not bad we can work with that give me one sec

#

are u trying for the 18 types or no?

#

@signal panther

signal panther
#

Does it do anything?

manic mica
#

well it unlocks master mode

#

but its way harder

signal panther
#

If I get gems id gladly take it. Only if it's possible

fading cradle
#

using all 18 types for the type medal unlocks master mode. you should be able to fill it out within 2 weeks

manic mica
#

yeah

signal panther
#

Do you think id be able to do that?

fading cradle
manic mica
#

i mean its possible but it will take time

signal panther
#

Then sure. Ill have something to work for

manic mica
#

mhm u get a lot of champion spirit

#

okay so lets see here

#

have u beaten a champion stadium b4

signal panther
#

I did beat one of the elite 4

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But that's it. The other pokemon just get wrecked

manic mica
signal panther
manic mica
#

is there a button that says hall of fame

signal panther
#

I guess no never beat a champ before

manic mica
fading cradle
#

oh so you never fully beat one stadium?

signal panther
#

No im not in Hall of fame

#

It's locked

manic mica
#

Oh alright

#

so yeah this may take awhile

signal panther
#

I think I also locked out steven too I that one fight I beat

#

I hope that didn't mess it up

fading cradle
#

you can’t use a sync pair again in the stadium once you use them

signal panther
#

Yeah I noticed that too late

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These three are locked

manic mica
#

oh no

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im ngl those were ur best bets

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but

#

we can still make it work dw

fading cradle
#

champion stadium needs you to build 5 teams

signal panther
#

Can I reset that manually or do I have to wait for the next reset

fading cradle
#

next week

signal panther
#

I see

fading cradle
#

i dont think you can reset in hard mode

manic mica
#

ok

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im gonna do some work and see what we can do for u alright @signal panther

signal panther
#

That's extremely nice thank you!

manic mica
#

yup

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@signal panther would it be possible if u can send ss of each type

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in order

signal panther
#

Yes any more Filter? Or just type?

manic mica
#

Just type would work

signal panther
#

One second

manic mica
#

Yup

signal panther
#

Do you mean by type like strike tech support etc?

manic mica
#

no, by their element

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like grass

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water

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fire

#

fairy

signal panther
#

Oh yeah yeah my bad one second

manic mica
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your fine dw

signal panther
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Like this?

manic mica
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yup thats good

fading cradle
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do you have a filter to only show 5 stars? it’ll be useful if you turn that off too

manic mica
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yeah

signal panther
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I think yes

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Yeah i did

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Lemme redo

manic mica
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vs Phoebe - Karen Elio Lucian

vs Glacia - AS Cynthia Leaf Acerola

vs Sidney - Emma Maylene Roxanne

vs Drake - Riley AS Steven Candice

vs Wallace - AS Lance Erika (Leafeon) SS Mina

You can fight them in any order. Just don't do Drake R3 and try to do Glacia R2.

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I would say that however Steven is already used.

fading cradle
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wait they already beat one battle if three sync pairs are unusable

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who did you beat already?

manic mica
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Most likely Drake or Glacia.

signal panther
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Phoebe

manic mica
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Oh.

signal panther
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Don't ask me why lmao

manic mica
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Actually, you dodged a bullet. She is pretty hard it took me awhile.

fading cradle
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yeah so definitely try glacia r2. you want to bring in a weather setter to replace hail

manic mica
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Mhm.

signal panther
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Should I build those teams now for them?

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Like put them together?

fading cradle
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you could try base hilda + blaine + some support for glacia

manic mica
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Filter to this, remove other filters though.

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Whatever pops up let us know.

signal panther
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This is for sunny

fading cradle
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blaine or anni raihan could be good, i’d save ss erika for wallace since he also needs you to change weather

manic mica
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Alright, try Raihan. Start with your team, for the tactics, make your support first, Raihan second and your damage dealer last.

signal panther
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One second

manic mica
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Don’t use the Dynamax too early though, that is how you get the sunny effect.

signal panther
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Who else should I put next to blaine and raihan?

manic mica
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No, use Raihan first, you need support.

fading cradle
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yeah replace blaine with raihan

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and some support to help buff your damage dealer

manic mica
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Raihan has his TM, raises SpA by four rank stats.

signal panther
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It says raihan is tech. Is that correct then? Will I still get dynamax without ex?

manic mica
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You need defense.

fading cradle
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better be careful though bc if you don’t replace glacia’s hail, she’ll be a complete monster with her aoe moves

signal panther
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Just to understand correctly: I want sunny but I don't want to use Dyna too early even though it gives sunny? That's confuses me a bit

manic mica
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Mhm.

manic mica
signal panther
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So do I use sandstorm or what do I do

manic mica
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You need to replace it with sunny.

signal panther
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Ah I see. Will she only do hail once in the battle?

fading cradle
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i thought glacia summoned hail the moment she enters battle?

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she’ll also summon hail when she syncs

manic mica
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If I’m correct, she uses it when sync.

fading cradle
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glacia has a passive that summons hail when she enters battle

signal panther
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So every time I use flare it will turn to sunny?

fading cradle
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that’s already dangerous enough and probably screams for weather to be changed asap

signal panther
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I mean raihan has sandstorm without dynamax

manic mica