Champion Stadium

[fading cradle]

you can also try switching who you do r2, the strongest team should always be used for half sync

[misty yacht]

I finally did it, with champion cheren and 2,2k

[peak lark]

could i use sycamore as a primary attacker?

nvm

i proved my theory

[supple reef]

could and should have very opposite answers. I cleared 3k Bertha round 1 this week with Sycamore as my only damage source (it was a poison stall) so it is possible, but he'll be outdamaged by any legitimate damage dealer

[peak lark]

its all good

ran with two buffers to boost his speed and attack, and just slammed back horn leech over and over

sycamore literally couldn't die

[supple reef]

he unfortunately still gets one-shot by a sync eventually on 3k parameters

[peak lark]

ah yeah, but i had boosted his speed, so i slipped out in time

i just got to attack more

also i have reached a block on me clearing the current champion

i dont really have any good electric types

[mellow linden]

Hau + Raichu should be more than enough for Hard Mode

Don’t ignore your 3- and 4-stars, they generally range from decent to amazing

[swift swan]

Sir this is champion stadium channel

[lean lion]

My bad Nov

Was too excited lmao

[swift swan]

Ahaha no worries

[mellow linden]

If the mods are okay with it you should keep it to bring levity to the server

[lean lion]

Already deleted it oops

[mellow linden]

Nah, that’s the right call

Haven’t received any mod approval

[maiden sequoia]

Idk how to beat Aaron
Any tips or characters that can help me??

[old orchid]

Can you candy Hau to 2/5 at least?

[maiden sequoia]

Hmm
I think I can

[old orchid]

Then you can use Redlax Hau and Volkner

Grid Hau for Inertia tile

[maiden sequoia]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I can do that❗❗

[fading cradle]

if you can, try to flinch aaron with volkner’s thunder fang before he uses heal order. it’ll save you the pain lol

[keen jasper]

No flinch, only accept your fate

[fading cradle]

or that too and bear the pain

[keen jasper]

And then your nuker just one shots from full

[maiden sequoia]

[mighty pollen]

So I need some help with champion stadium

So I want to be able to score all 15000 points so I can get more champion spirits

Since there’s nowhere else to get them outside of monthly trades

[old orchid]

+helpfaq

[frozen depot]

Help our Helpers here provide you with better assistance by following these steps:

1. Fill out this roster tracker https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker/ using this video guide : https://imgur.com/a/2ONrAcl
2. Tell us what stage you're doing, this includes also the round and your parameters if it's on Master Mode.
3. Footage is important, show screenshots of your team or gameplay where it fails, every detail helps.
4. Specific notes on what happened during the fight and what steps you did are appreciated as well.

[boreal quest]

anyway i can try to beat lucian round 2 with these 3? the earthquake spam was the hardest to deal with for me

[fading cradle]

hmmmm lucian has a passive that makes him stronger against special attacks so using agatha and allister will be a little harder

could u show ur ghost roster?

allister is also weak to ground so there’s that too

[mellow linden]

You don’t need to run a monotype team

And in fact if you’re doing CS Hard Mode for the first time you should be actively avoiding monotype teams

[fading cradle]

yes, good team synergy can be made from units of different types

[mellow linden]

And oftentimes (especially early on) multitype teams have better synergy than monotype teams

[fading cradle]

who would be better for steel weak bertha tomorrow, 2/5 ex raihan or 1/5 summer tate (not ex, no exr)?

[old orchid]

The sides have Wise Entry x3 so the team needs a good defensive core and/or disruption

Tate is weak to Ground so try to pre sync her

[lean lion]

Presyncing is also kinda tricky since Bertha has HS1

[fading cradle]

right i just saw that, that’s gonna be annoying

[fading cradle]

got it, so have tate as my damage dealer?

[lean lion]

Same thing

WE x 3 to deal with

[fading cradle]

no wonder people said steel weak bertha was hard 😭

flint should be no problem, aaron? not sure if i can 3k him, i still ex’ed bertha solely for him though

lucian is TANKY on the special side but good thing im hitting him on the physical side with sc barry 😎

[lean lion]

3/5 Bertha can 3k in ground zone no problem

[fading cradle]

oh nice, my bertha is 5/5

just gotta hope i can queue the moves right

[old orchid]

Bertha should be good against Aaron. She alone counters all of his gimmicks

[boreal quest]

my ghost roster is really underdeveloped lol,i dont have a real dps so i had to make do

[old orchid]

If this is hard mode you can bring a decent physical offtype dmg dealer

[boreal quest]

i considered scream tail and nemona, but i wanted to save them for cynthia since i also have no good fighting dps

[old orchid]

Solgaleo is a decent Fighting atker thanks to its Focus Blast

You dont have any other options?

[boreal quest]

oh yeah i forgot about sogaleo,lemme pull up my fighting roster

i have sogaleo and these i think

[fading cradle]

is your solgaleo 5/5?

[boreal quest]

i prolly should have done flint r2 in retrospect

[fading cradle]

solgaleo should be able to take on cynthia fine

[boreal quest]

it should be

[fading cradle]

wally and bea could also work since you’re on hard mode

[boreal quest]

id try that out,ty!

[cinder summit]

Bea & Sirfetch'd

<:GRID_SYNC:967786997982830712> __Sync Tiles:__

(2) Worthy Foe Meteor Assault: Power +25
(3) Worthy Foe Meteor Assault: Power +25
(2) Worthy Foe Meteor Assault: Power +25
(3) Worthy Foe Meteor Assault: Power +25
(3) Worthy Foe Meteor Assault: Power +25
(3) Worthy Foe Meteor Assault: Power +25

<:GRID_MOVE:967786997265629195> __Move Tiles:__

(1) X Speed: MP Refresh 2 - Has a chance (30%) of restoring one MP of the user's move when that move is successful.

‎

(2) Hold Strong!: MP Refresh 2 - Has a chance (30%) of restoring one MP of the user's move when that move is successful.
(2) Meteor Assault: Move Gauge Refresh 1 - Has a chance (20%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.
(2) X Attack: MP Refresh 2 - Has a chance (30%) of restoring one MP of the user's move when that move is successful.
(2) X Speed: MP Refresh 2 - Has a chance (30%) of restoring one MP of the user's move when that move is successful.

‎

(3) Meteor Assault: Critical Charge 9 - Charges the user's move gauge by one when it lands a critical hit.
(3) Meteor Assault: Critical Clock 1 - Has a chance (20%) of reducing the user's sync move countdown by one when the user lands a critical hit.

<:GRID_PASSIVE:967786997215264808> __Passive Tiles:__

(1) Nervous Energy 1 - Raises the user's Speed by 1 stat rank when it is confused, flinching, or trapped.

‎

(2) Agile Entry 1 - Raises the user's evasiveness by 1 stat rank when it enters a battle.
(2) Critical Ferocity 2 - Has a chance (30%) of raising the user's Attack by one stat rank when its move is a critical hit.

‎

(3) Inertia - The more user's Speed is raised, the more it powers up the user's sync move.
(3) On the Run 3 - Raises the user's evasiveness by 3 stat ranks the first time it is in a pinch each battle.
(3) Sharp Entry 1 - Raises the user's critical-hit rate by 1 stat rank when it enters a battle.
(3) Soften Up 1 - Critical hits land more easily when the user attacks with a sync move.

[fading cradle]

i don’t know shit about bea so pls forgive me since gen pool NEVER wants to give me her

[nocturne pawn]

damn she doesnt get inertia at 2/5

[fading cradle]

best of luck you can always come back here if you’re struggling

[old orchid]

Bea is enough, even without Inertia

tho you still want to bring an accuracy buffer

[boreal quest]

whoa scream tail made a huge difference lol
i'm thinking aaron round 3 and bertha for round 4,would that be ok?

[fading cradle]

should be fine as long as you aren’t doing bertha r3

aaron is particularly very painful, if you have someone like volkner or anyone who can flinch, it might be a good idea to bring them along to deny aaron his heal order

[boreal quest]

and for aaron would archie and kyogre work? i plan to use them with base volkner

[old orchid]

should be okay ig

[toxic cobalt]

Novel idea for sure give it a go

[fading cradle]

yeah sounds solid enough, definitely give it a try

[boreal quest]

ty all! i'd give it a try

[mighty pollen]

I’m confused on how this works

How does filtering my roster on a website supposed to translate to the game itself?

[toxic cobalt]

Helps us know what pairs you have and what move levels they are

[fading cradle]

with the tracker, is it ALWAYS supposed to be that slow when loading the image? ive tried to use it a few times and waited for minutes and it never gives me an image

[mighty pollen]

So how do I transfer it here then?

[toxic cobalt]

Just send the final image

Tracker can be slow but check your browser download settings

[mighty pollen]

Download settings?..yeah I’ll just screenshot it and just send it instead

[toxic cobalt]

That works!

[mighty pollen]

First 10

Last 7

[undone ether]

uh

[toxic cobalt]

You should be able to show only obtiens units

[mighty pollen]

I don’t how to show it in 1 screenshot

[undone ether]

does these buttons not wwork for you?

[toxic cobalt]

Some nice limiteds there

[old orchid]

if you can, inputting correct move level also helps

but please use the Image button to make everyone in the same image

[mighty pollen]

I don’t have that button

What section is it under?

[undone ether]

iirc under this one.

just make sure to turn this on for your sync pairs.

[mighty pollen]

Okay surely I’m doing something wrong. I hit image and it didn’t convert all of my sync pairs.

[old orchid]

how so?

did you get the image at the bottom of site?

[mighty pollen]

It didn’t send me any image

[old orchid]

have you checked the bottom part?

when it's done generating it should be there

[undone ether]

it takes a bit. just scroll down.

[mighty pollen]

I gotta start over

[old orchid]

you don't need to reset the whole progress

just click Image again

[mighty pollen]

I’m trying to give each sync pair their proper move levels, but each time I do it to actually try it, the sync pairs vanish

[undone ether]

hold tap on their move levels/rarity

[mighty pollen]

So here’s my image except for 5 sync pairs and for some reason, it just doesn’t want me to do the move levels

[undone ether]

you didnt press right?

[mighty pollen]

Nope

Is there a way I just tap on a sync pair and it doesn’t vanish?

[undone ether]

right click or bust 😭
it can be finnicky on mobile devices so if you're scrolling, scroll up/down on the sides.

liek this area here

[mighty pollen]

Okay

Can we mark who’s EX’d and who isn’t?

@undone ether Don’t mean to ping, but just in case

[undone ether]

you can

[mighty pollen]

How do I do that?

[undone ether]

you have to holdtap on their rarity.

if they're 3stars, andd capable to 6star EX, you have to cycle your options

holdtap release, holdtap release etcetc

[mighty pollen]

I hate that this takes too long

[undone ether]

tbh, i think its better to organize your stuff on a computer 😭

[mighty pollen]

I don’t have a computer on me

[fading cradle]

JUST READ THE PASTEBIN AND RILEY’S EVENT IS RERUNNING?????

I CAN GET HIM TO 5/5 AND NO LONGER STRUGGLE WITH FIGHTING WEAK STAGES???????

pls tell me im not reading it wrong

[lean lion]

We were talking about a rerun just last week. Nice!

[trail smelt]

Did we have special stadium red before?

I forgot what the weakness is

[gleaming jolt]

Fire iirc

[trail smelt]

Thanks

[old orchid]

this seems to be a new set of weakness

cuz Olivia and Bertha don't have a Fire weak stage

(i have no clue)

[trail smelt]

Yeah i was wondering why Olivia and Bertha were there

[fading cradle]

could be steel

[old orchid]

oh yeah it's Steel

Steel weak Glacia and Bertha...

[trail smelt]

Yikes lol

[swift swan]

updated

[fading cradle]

in other terms, avoid lucian r2, let’s go 😍

[mighty pollen]

Finished up @undone ether

[undone ether]

what's that last line doing? o-oo;

[mighty pollen]

What do you mean?

That’s how they filtered it

This is what they originally gave me

[mighty pollen]

So I changed it to this

[undone ether]

well good luck, new week just started o.o

[swift swan]

disgusting

[fading cradle]

haven’t tried master mode yet, wondering how these teams would work

also what’s summer tate’s gimmick? about to sigh in disappointment when he doesn’t do too much damage with flash cannon before bertha can sync and then i look one second later and bertha’s dead 💀

[old orchid]

Doom Desires every other turn if you use his pokemon moves

[swift swan]

those teams should 3k with ease

[fading cradle]

a few of my damage dealers (sc barry and summer tate) are 1/5, would they still be okay

[old orchid]

the next region is Hoenn

[fading cradle]

oh that’s funny

that is really funny

[swift swan]

with the proper support it should still be fine

[trail smelt]

Still no Paldea eh

[trail smelt]

Of course this week and next week has Ground, Dragon, and Steel weaknesses haha. Gotta promote Arc Suits.

… wait

4/5 weaknesses are the same

Only Rock weak is swapped for Electric weak

[faint haven]

"I don't have the Arc Fairs yet, but"

(Totally not using this to guess the Arc Fair banners priority )

[vestal notch]

aaa help I can't do 15k CS XD

[lean lion]

Which stage are you stuck on?

[vestal notch]

I didn't do any

can't do any xD

I'm saving Zygard for Cynthia for sure

[lean lion]

How about the other types? What does your roster look like? Send it here and we can try to figure out teams

[vestal notch]

hmm I have a bunch

I posted them in #poma-questions

wait

I'm a returning player soooo

[lean lion]

Can you pleased filter for the 5 types and send that?

It's easier to look through the pairs that say

*way

[vestal notch]

alr

amma finish one Aaron attempt

using Hippo Garchomp and Torterra

[old orchid]

If you haven't unlocked master mode yet better not try to repeat types

[vestal notch]

I already did

[lean lion]

They're trying to 15k

[vestal notch]

I'm trying to 15k but

I'm dealing literally no damage

[old orchid]

Oh uh

[vestal notch]

nah Mega Chomp's earthquake is dealing like 1k to Drapion after

[old orchid]

Mb then

[vestal notch]

sync

crit +6 attack

[old orchid]

What params are you running

[vestal notch]

I'll show u, I think the params are the issue

[lean lion]

You're not maxing Cynthia's stats on that team. You need to bring an offensive physical support to max her atk

[vestal notch]

if I try to send params here it'll be like 5 screens auugh, isn't there a simplified mode?

here are my pairs for the CS this week (no Dragons cuz Zygard is gonna do the job there I assume)

And here's my supports

pretty sure Escavalier Accelgor for Lucian

[gleaming jolt]

Done!

Two monotype teams!

If I had another Steel striker, it could have been 3! I did tried Colress first instead of Riley but the team was lacking some damage!

[trail smelt]

Selene Alt finally showed her stuff haha, all it took was using a proper team

Ready for next week… though technically ground and maybe steel team are gonna see some changes

[gleaming jolt]

Almost the same weakness for next week!

[trail smelt]

Yep

Only rock weak is switched for electric weak

[gleaming jolt]

DeNA want you to pull!

[vestal notch]

omg I cleared my first 3K CS, but it was really close

welp, one down 4 more to go auugh

Any tip for the others?

[abstract ocean]

Around what general power level should I be at for being able to clear hard lvl1 for the first time? I'm pretty new and even having issues with the average clears 🐴

[vestal notch]

oh crap I keep forgetting that Diamond Storm is physical

[swift swan]

once you're done with the main story you can attempt it

[swift swan]

well be careful with bertha, she has head start

aaron iirc wants status change (but if you pick up gradual healing, it turns off acute senses so it should be fine)

[vestal notch]

hmm

[nocturne pawn]

just use bertha

[vestal notch]

I have Bertha

with whom should I use it? and what parameters hmm

Should I make Aaron tankier?

like go max bulk on his parameters?

[nocturne pawn]

no

[vestal notch]

hmm

[swift swan]

don't go max bulk unless you have a good nuker

[vestal notch]

ah

Berthe Cynthia and?

I got WW3 Cynthia

[swift swan]

Well if you have courtney for ground zone, that's the team i often use

what move level is cynthia?

[vestal notch]

3/5

bertha 2/5

[swift swan]

good

if there's no ground zone, just a physical support is fine

[vestal notch]

ground zone as in?

O I have Courtney

but not EXed

[swift swan]

bertha/courtney/cynthia can work, i typically tank with bertha

not a conventional team considering there is no support so it might be iffy

[vestal notch]

Supp Sync pair take x3 dmg incoming

free 150

[swift swan]

but this works fine too

[vestal notch]

amma try with this setup

[swift swan]

it's only 100 pts i'm afraid

[vestal notch]

ye but I managed to free Tech and Strike x3 dmg

for that

so worth

oh

forgot the can't change weather thingy

nope didn't work :x

I don't deal enough dmg

[swift swan]

hmmm what params are you running

[vestal notch]

how do I display them? cuz taking screenshots is going to be a bit too much

what params do u suggest

[vestal notch]

couldn't find a simpler way to do it XD

[swift swan]

don't take defense

and max HP

aaron's base HP is almost 29k as it is

get strength

[vestal notch]

okay

I'm trying to do bertha now

I go back to Aaron later

I'm trying to give her sync Cooldown - so I can nuke her with Zacian

gonna use head start against her ig

nah I get immediately nuked with her sync

even at max defense

I literally got Steelix and Zamazenta supporting Zacian

nah amma do normal CS

[boreal quest]

for this week you only need to avoid lucian on r2 right? i might have to offtype 2 or 3 of the members lol

[mellow linden]

Jasmine + Hop on the same team is redundant and completely destroys your move gauge

[vestal notch]

hmm

what do I put

[mellow linden]

A gauge Support if you’re running Gloria + Zacian

[vestal notch]

amma do 2750

[mellow linden]

Instead of Jasmine, I mean

[vestal notch]

3000 just too much

hmm like who?

Cynthia and Lucario?

I usually run her with Bea

my Zam isn't EX yet

[mellow linden]

Then you may want to replace Hop with a different Attack + crit Support and adjust the 3rd slot accordingly

[vestal notch]

hmm gotchu

[vestal notch]

here's my supps

I'm open to suggetions cuz it's been ages since I last played

[mellow linden]

Sonia + Yamper’s a great pick

[vestal notch]

instead of Hop and what about Jasmine?

[mellow linden]

Though you do need to be careful of Ground weakness

So if that’s not something you wanna risk then Hilbert + Samurott instead

[vestal notch]

hmm if she starts with earthquake Zacian immediately oofs

what about Snorlax?

[mellow linden]

Sure, he can work for the 3rd team member

[vestal notch]

I'll give it a try

sadly not 3k cuz that's a bit too much :x

[mellow linden]

If you’re just coming back after a long break it’d be better to ease into it anyway, especially for a region like Sinnoh

[vestal notch]

I think the last time I played was at the release of both Greninjas

nah but

Zacian keeps dropping to earthquake at like 80% HP

and she insta uses EQ even if I try using pots xD

okay I did it but not the most pleasant experience xD

now how do I support Olivia

[mellow linden]

She needs at minimum an Attack buffer, depending on if she’s doing 1st Sync and how she’s gridded you may need a Speed and/or crit buffer as well

[vestal notch]

nah bruh first turn I press rain dance and boost def with Skyla and he still one shots her with Flare Blitz

under rain

he one shots Swanna xD

ye I need speed buffers for Olivia but I need rain in this matchup vs Flint

I think I should take a different approach with Diancie, but she's not EX and still 1/5...

I'm running Inertia doggo

[mellow linden]

Sandstorm works too and lets Olivia use her Sand Blaster tile

[vestal notch]

I need Sandstorm for Aaron

Don't wanna use up Bertha

[mellow linden]

Acerola exists

[vestal notch]

oh right

almost, didn't crit the Houndoom

doable

done, Olivia's nuke

[full mesa]

Nice

[grand trout]

How much does additional effects round add to base chances?

[mellow linden]

It’s basically On a Roll 1/Swag Bag 1/Hostile Envrionment 1/Aggravation 1. I forget if it stacks additively or multiplicatively with those passives, though

[grand trout]

Let's say we take twister

So it has a 30% chance to flinch independently, correct? From 20%

[mellow linden]

If the starting point is 20% (with no passives) the parameter makes it 40%, On a Roll and its kin multiply the chance by (N + 1), where N is the number on the passive

[grand trout]

I don't think araihan has OAR activr

Which makes a 77% chance of flinching at least one

Why is it I've gone through many with no flinches from either three

[mellow linden]

RNG is RNG

[vestal notch]

13 500 points

For my first attempt I'll call it a W

Especially since it's Sinnoh

[grand trout]

Not bad! What params did you use?

[vestal notch]

Mostly offensive

Have them as much dmg

But make them less tanky

[grand trout]

Is there an infographic for pasio cs yet

[karmic zephyr]

Hi, if someone could please help me make teams for the stadium, I would appreciate that!

[toxic cobalt]

Do you have all the legendary adventures pairs? I only see Hop

[mellow linden]

Have you cleared any of the fights already, and if so which ones?

[karmic zephyr]

the what? I have what you see haha

[karmic zephyr]

none of the 4

[mellow linden]

And yeah, make sure to get all the Legendary Adventures pairs and 5/5 20/20 them if you haven’t

+legexchange

[frozen depot]

When completing a Legendary Adventure in the Main Story section, you will be awarded a sync pair, 4 vouchers and 20 power-ups (usable on that pair only)

• Trade the vouchers for copies of that pair (in the shop > legendary adventure tab)
• DO NOT TRADE the power-ups, use all 20 on the unlocked pair (in upgrade > potential tab)
  https://i.imgur.com/gGHPQjd.png
  For more beginner infos, check our #1010307000346878062.

[karmic zephyr]

oh those

Do I need those? I didn't realise

[mellow linden]

They’re free and range from decent to amazing

Zero reason to not get them

[karmic zephyr]

Can I not clear Stadium without them? Is there a reason why you guys tell me to have them?

[mellow linden]

Standard procedure, if it looks like someone doesn’t have them on their roster we remind them

[karmic zephyr]

oh okay

Do I need someone specific for the stadium? I see they are a few

[fading cradle]

not anyone specific

you can clear as long as your teams have good synergy

[karmic zephyr]

You see I followed this advice because my Hop/Zamazenta are 5

[fading cradle]

lvl 120-125 is also the recommended lvl for champion stadium

[karmic zephyr]

Okay so just tell me which pokemon to level and I will!

[mellow linden]

Do the same for all of them when you get them

[karmic zephyr]

Okay, so assuming I have all the legendary ones, can you help me make some teams?

My Marnie clears everything so I suppose it won't be hard to unlock them

[mellow linden]

Anyway, can build a team around:

• Noland for Lucian.
• MC + Solgaleo or Valerie + Mawile for Bertha.
• SS Lysandre or NC Marnie for Aaron (I’d personally recommend off-typing in this instance specifically since your Ground options aren’t particularly notable).
• Gordie for Flint (if Gordie doesn’t work you could try off-typing with Hugh).
• Cyrus for Cynthia.

And probably be fine. Make sure to follow the Teambuilding 101 guidelines, and try to include 9-12 different types (as in, the type of the Sync Move) across your 5 teams.

[karmic zephyr]

Okay, so you're saying I should focus on these ones particularly

and find supports for them

[mellow linden]

Yes, those are suggestions for damage-dealers to build teams around

When it comes to Hard Mode I prefer to just offer damage-dealer suggestions so as to provide an opportunity to hone teambuilding skills in an environment that isn’t too punishing for failure

One final bit of advice: you have a whole week to clear this, so don’t feel pressured to do it all today, especially if you’re planning on going for 1 or more of the Arc Suit banners that’ll be coming up over the next few days

If you’re struggling with your current ability to invest in Sync Pairs you can always wait a day or 2 for more resource income before heading back in

[karmic zephyr]

Okay, that's good advice

Can I ask,why did you pick Noland instead of Guzma or Lusamine?

I already tried Lusamine and 2 random supports and it didn't work 😂

[mellow linden]

Because Bug weak Lucian takes greatly reduced damage from special moves, and since your Guzma is only 2/5 he lacks access to the tiles in his Sync Grid that would let him stand above the potential of a 3/5 Noland

[karmic zephyr]

Right, because you guys told me 2-3 stars do a lot

[fading cradle]

some 3-4 star pairs can outperform 5 star pairs when invested in so don’t ignore them

[karmic zephyr]

Mhm, Steel told me that yeah

[thorny wind]

Raihan triggered his MPR twice. Why can't that MPR luck go to DC

[stray cipher]

These are my units, if its possivle can someobe help me get 10k - 15k in cs

[mellow linden]

How new are you to Master Mode?

[stray cipher]

i recently downloaded rhe game last week but before that ive played many master mode weeks

Before last week the last time i played this game was like a year ago

So ive done mm but i dont know how to choose parameters

[mellow linden]

We have some parameter recommendations in the pinned messages here

[stray cipher]

Ok thanjs

can u help me still with team comps tho

[mellow linden]

I’d recommend coming up with some possible teams on your own 1st to see if you’re able to accomplish your goal on your own, we have a link to all this week’s stages’ stats and passives so you can know what gimmicks you need to account for

If you’re stumped we can work from there

[stray cipher]

ok thanks

[fading cradle]

can a 1/5 summer tate clear bertha with 3k?

[mellow linden]

I’m inclined to say no because the sides have Wise Entry x3 for Steel weak Bertha

[fading cradle]

oh wtf i didnt even know

i have mc and solgaleo, just no pb

when is the free anni lillie available?

[mellow linden]

I’m actually not sure on that one

[thorny wind]

2 resets from now iirc, but will take 10 resets to get all upgrade

[mellow linden]

Could always try off-type or Poison stall

[thorny wind]

Will have to double check on that tho

[fading cradle]

yeah i think off typing is my best bet, all my steel units are special or weak to ground

all my good off typers are special attackers, wow

[mellow linden]

It do be like that sometimes

[fading cradle]

yeah, think i gotta accept the L and lower the points, oh well!

[hollow horizon]

the pain is almost euphoric, sam

[mellow linden]

Oof

[lethal flame]

Okay so I haven’t started a long time ago and I am really stuck on the Elite 4

I managed to beat one or two member two weeks ago but this one feels unbeatable

[mellow linden]

Can you show your roster?

[lethal flame]

And it’s so complicated type wise I feel I have like 70 Fire and Water units and then close to none

[mellow linden]

Also is this Hard Mode or Master Mode?

[lethal flame]

I don’t know regular mode I guess

I will screen my 4 and 5 starts units brb

[mellow linden]

I assume Hard Mode then, against the Sinnoh Elite 4

[lethal flame]

Yeah that’s right

That’s what I have right now

[mellow linden]

Can try building a team around:

• Olivia for Flint.
• Noland for Lucian.
• MC + Solgaleo or K. Grimsley for Bertha.
• Gladion for Aaron.
• Cyrus for Cynthia.
• Kris as an alternative if you need to off-type a stage.

And probably be fine. Make sure to follow the Teambuilding 101 guidelines and make sure you're dealing with the specific stage gimmicks (we have a link to the pomatools page showing all their stats and important passives in the pins), and try to use 9-12 different types (that's the type of the Sync Move the pair starts battle with, so Gladion will count as Normal regardless of the type he shifts to) across your 5 teams

[lethal flame]

I will check for the good debuffer and such and I will try and do my best, thanks for the help

[valid ivy]

is it reasonable to beat 15k mm using 3/5 offtypes

[trail smelt]

Depends on the unit

[valid ivy]

cynthia and flint i think i can 3k reasonably

[trail smelt]

There’s a stark difference between 3/5 NC Red and 3/5 Red haha

[valid ivy]

i have 3/5 nc red

actually lemme judt chrkc my units snd list whats notable

2/5 nc marnie 2/5 ss kris 3/5 nc red 1/5 ss lyra 1/5 red vebasaur 1/5 nc bede 1/5 nemona scream tail 1/5 sc steven

also i could use raihan duraladon but idk if hes good enough

red can probablt steamroll 3k right

and i do have candies to use

[mellow linden]

Is there a particular reason you want to off-type?

[valid ivy]

because i dont have the units to ontype

[mellow linden]

You started during 4th anniversary at the latest, I highly doubt you’re unable to on-type

[valid ivy]

i stopped playing the game for a while

started again recently

[mellow linden]

Could show your roster just to be safe

[valid ivy]

griund bug steel

ignore the team i was using that was for an event

[mellow linden]

Guzma or Bugsy + Noland or Lusamine team for Bug, K. Grimsley team for Steel, Courtney + Bertha team for Ground

Those at the very least have high odds of being able to succeed

[valid ivy]

all presync?

[mellow linden]

Probably

[valid ivy]

can red substitute for one of the trams

[mellow linden]

Might be a bit of a challenge since outside of Aaron they take greatly reduced damage from special moves, but you probably could

[valid ivy]

alr thanks

csn u give a short summary of what those units u mentioned do

[mellow linden]

Guzma or Bugsy you grid for Sync nuke, Noland or Lusamine you’d use regular move damage for (Fury Cutter for Noland, Lunge for Lusamine), K. Grimsley is a fairly straightforward damage-dealer for the most part but has the somewhat gimmicky Metal Burst for a potential very strong attack if utilized properly, Bertha has a good Sync nuke and sets Sandstorm/applies Trapped, Courtney has Ground Zone

[valid ivy]

alr thanks, woulf sc steven be used for any of them to nuke?

[mellow linden]

He can be a teammate for K. Grimsley, but since you’re using dual damage-dealer teams with the others he can’t fit since you need a Support to help with offensive buffs

[valid ivy]

would those would be garticuno and ss kris ?

[mellow linden]

NC Bede sure, not SS Kris since she buffs special damage-dealers and all those teams are physical

[valid ivy]

would sonia work?

basic sonia

[mellow linden]

What Move Level is she?

[valid ivy]

3

[mellow linden]

Then yes

[valid ivy]

ok thanks

is this her right grid?

[lethal flame]

(Beat Flint it was tough as hell)

[mellow linden]

You got her most important grid tiles, so yeah, likely fine. Maybe change out some Potion tiles to get Spark Team Fast-Track if you have gauge issues

[stray cipher]

@mellow linden 12.5k done 🙂

[mellow linden]

Congrats!

[stray cipher]

Ty

I got lucky since i only have 6 different zones and 4 of them were in here

[lethal flame]

I need to grind the type level up books, otherwise I will never be able to do shit. I tried a team built around Lusamine with the alolan skill and support syncs with her but she gets one shot by Lucian Dual Sync attack AOE

It’s frustrating to do so little damage at +6SpA though

[mellow linden]

Bug weak Lucian has doubled base Sp. Def., you want to use physical moves

Also Theme Skills are always secondary to proper team synergy

Level 120 is enough for CS Hard Mode, you just need to ensure you’re respecting the various stage gimmicks

[lethal flame]

Well I can’t get Noland to more than level 130 and even him with +6Atk does pretty close to nothing in damages it’s outrageous

[mellow linden]

Are you making sure to get him to +3 critical rate as well?

Also, again, level 120 is enough

[lethal flame]

Wouldn’t +6Atk be better than +3 Critical ? Since Crit hits ignore the attack buff

[mellow linden]

Critical hits ignore negative ranks in Attack

You always want +4 to +6 in the respective offensive stat and +3 critical rate on your damage-dealer

[lethal flame]

Oh so that’s not like in traditionnal Pokémon games

[mellow linden]

No, the main series works that way too

Critical hits have always worked that way, they ignore negative stat ranks from the attacker and positive stat ranks from the defenser

[lethal flame]

Okay so I need to get a Pair that can tank hits and buff critical hit rate

[mellow linden]

+101

[frozen depot]

> Teambuilding 101
Make sure you've done the Victory Road tutorial for an introduction to the game's teambuilding & gameplay.

1. Build your team around a damage dealer that hits the stage's weakness (or off-type if they're strong enough). This can be a / striker or a tech. Read the unit's kit carefully - moves & passives - to see what they can buff themselves. Ideally you want to be at +3 critical-hit rate and +6 attack or special attack depending on the unit. Damage dealers should be slot 3 in tactics

2. Choose a support to put in slot 1 tactics so it takes the damage. Your support should cover the buffs and damage dealer needs they cannot max by themselves reliably - critical hit rate and SpAtk/Atk being the main ones. If your damage dealer is self-sufficient, you can look at defensive, healing or other utility supports instead.

3. The 3rd slot is flexible and depends on your other two pairs. You could take a tech focusing on utility such as debuffs or field effects to enhance your damage dealer, or another support that covers a team need like defenses, healing or boost gauge speed for demanding damaging moves. If your team allows it, you can even pick a 2nd damage dealer! It's important to experiment & remember that a successful team needs to manage gauge properly for triple queueing and buffing your damage dealier efficiently so they can start attacking as soon as possible!

See the image below for a visual guide. And check out #1010307000346878062 or the bot commands pinned in #bot-zone for more information on Triple Queue & other game information!

[mellow linden]

I highly recommend you check that out

[lethal flame]

But is Lucian protected against crits or smth ? Even at +3 crit I never seem to crit

[old orchid]

Sync moves have innate -1 crit

[supple reef]

No CS fight has critical hit defense unless you enable that Master Mode parameter

[lethal flame]

Okay so I am just really unlucky

[mellow linden]

+3 crit should be crit for all regular moves, but the supereffective graphic overrides the critical hit graphic

So a supereffective critical hit will look the same as a regular supereffective hit, even though the critical hit is still doing more damage

[cold kestrel]

Should I off type bug and ground? Not sure if it makes a difference but I’m using ingo on my rock team

[fading cradle]

bertha works for aaron since she counters all of his gimmicks but im not sure how a 2/5 bertha performs

cobalt has some suggestions for bug weak lucian in this message here #1009554906568462476 message

[mellow linden]

Guzma needs 3/5 for Sync nuke, so if you wanna on-type Lucian it’s pick 2 of Bugsy, Noland, and Lusamine

If you do Noland + Lusamine you’ll need to grid Noland for Sync nuke

[lethal flame]

So we need two of them to work ? like Noland + Lusamine + support unit ?

With Lusamine my damage are okay Lunge deals 2k each turn but that giraffe is way too tanky

Should I even focus it ?

But my issue is I don’t have any unit that will give buff and tank the damages

Is there a resistance type of gimmick ? Or only the super effective one

[mellow linden]

I was assuming Master Mode for the dual damage-dealer setup

For Hard Mode you don’t need as much

[mellow linden]

No type resistances, that’s why I recommended an off-type option in case you were having trouble on-typing

[mellow linden]

Always focus down the center opponent (or whichever opponent has the Sync Move) 1st

[lethal flame]

Well maybe I should try another damage dealer yeah because my insect option are really weak

It must seem so trivial for experienced players but Jesus it’s hard, how can I deal 2k on each attack and i can’t get that Giraffe even to half hp

[fading cradle]

sinnoh stadium sadly do be like that, it’s one of the harder stadiums you can always off type lucian if you have stronger off type damage dealers than damage dealers in your bug roster

[lethal flame]

I thought I had but yeah no I don’t think Silver is going to get the job done

My units are all and all just weak, seem legit I started playing like 7 days ago, but I have no more gems because Marnie cost me everything (and I didn’t get her), and the CS seems like an unbeatable entity

But every message here make it look like it shouldn’t be that hard so that’s frustrating because i am like yeah i don’t understand what i am missing

[swift swan]

What team are you running?

[lethal flame]

I was trying with Lusamine Lillie and Phoebe but I will try again some other time I beat Bertha it’s enough for today

[swift swan]

Hmmm what move level is Lusamine

[lethal flame]

1 sadly, Roland might be a safer choice but he just doesn’t do as much damage

[lost gulch]

does the last cs type implies a raifort unit on oct?

[zealous karma]

It certainly could but we don’t know

[swift swan]

yeah 1/5 Lusamine isn't gonna do much

you're better off with an invested Bugsy or Noland

[boreal quest]

given my bug,ground and rock roster which one is the worst? i plan to offtype 2 out of these 3
as for decent-ish offtype dps i only have nemona and ss steven so

[toxic cobalt]

You might be able to do something with Olivia

[boreal quest]

she's only 1/5 so i'm hesitant, my best bet would just to offtype it ig

[swift swan]

ground is in a terrible state

[nimble shell]

Why are they asking for phy bug?

I don't rmb we have more than 5 phy bug DPS

Gotta beat the absurd line up with absurd team

Is there a list for best phy and sp off type team out there?

Ig better keep that in note for next time they try to fk me over on lear debut with special steel stage

[nocturne pawn]

do you have raihan or summer tate

[nimble shell]

Nope

[lethal flame]

All my homies hate Lucian

[tough pine]

Can someone pls help me with the master mode?

Like the best combination of bonus point to use

[undone ether]

Check the pins

+pins

[frozen depot]

See below on how to check channel pins!
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/957144362624634931/1214245497754091570/Pin.mp4?ex=65f8693e&is=65e5f43e&hm=b9d9e7a1a428377ebb0ef122514359d2405dd3f4e0775c17f2146eb06ca90a67&

[tough pine]

Thank you

[terse pulsar]

I’m struggling with the steel type 3k this week, trying to toxic stall instead with Erika and misty, not sure on a third I’ve tried sycamore but I can’t beat it- any tips ?

[old orchid]

You need a physical tank

Because Bertha team uses physical attacks

[terse pulsar]

Who would you advise, I’ve got a good variety

[old orchid]

Skyla is a good one for example

Just look for who buffs defense + has recovery

[terse pulsar]

Will give that a go thanks very much

[keen jasper]

Steel, ground and dragon-weak. Huh...

[supple reef]

in case that wasn’t enough, next week also has steel, ground, and dragon weak

[pine schooner]

Happy with these lineups, not sure if I can actually go above 10k with the units I have (side note, Courtney is an absolute unit nuking out drapion)

[fading cradle]

ayeeeee nice job, that’s pretty solid 👹 dw, one day you’ll be able to go above 10k

[pine schooner]

The more weeks go by, the more units I’ll be able to EX so that’s nice for me

[frosty pilot]

it seems that you've only been playing for a month and a half so for that level of progress 10k is a good score

also true

[pine schooner]

wait how’d you— oh right discord 😂

[frosty pilot]

i looked at your units and make a rough guess

[pine schooner]

Steven gave it away ig

[frosty pilot]

LA units were my main carry through the main story and the first 3 months of the game

and your MFs line up too

[pine schooner]

The dude just does so much at 1/5 while not being Mf at all

[frosty pilot]

theres a reason why hes so high on the banner prio chart

[pine schooner]

He’s been very helpful in my BR runs too

(Only found out after three weeks not to use the apple cup)

[frosty pilot]

i only got 3 MFs but each could lead their own offtype team to 3k for one stadium

sst red for electric, ssa cynthia for fighting and nc rosa for psychic

[pine schooner]

Ooo I really wish I’d have joined back when Ash got released

[frosty pilot]

same

[pine schooner]

Now I’ll have to wait for the 8th anniv for Liko

[frosty pilot]

that guy is the bane of UBs

[pine schooner]

[frosty pilot]

if the game even sees it's eigth

anyways yeah good CS score, the champ spirits will be handy ig

[pine schooner]

thanks thanks, good luck with your anniv pulls this week

[frosty pilot]

🙏 thanks too

[blazing perch]

Could I do 2k on Bertha with these pairs?

[lean lion]

Hop, K Grimsley and Colress should be good enough for 2k

[blazing perch]

I will give it a go

[blazing perch]

Grimsley gets 1 shot

[fading cradle]

why are almost all the steel units weak to ground like 😭😭😭😭

no wonder steel weak bertha is a pain

[blazing perch]

I maybe should oftype her v

[fading cradle]

atp, if your steel units are weak to ground and keep getting one shotted, i’d offtype as well. ive been struggling too since all my steel units are special attackers and weak to ground ☠️

[blazing perch]

Maybe gloria can do it

[lean lion]

Don't use Grimsley's TM at the start. Use Hop's TMs (+1 MPR) to max his stats. Grimsley debuffs his defenses by 6 on TM. Without the debuffs, he can tank Bertha's EQ.

[blazing perch]

I don’t use his tm he gets 1 shot with +6 defence

[lean lion]

Do you have tech pairs x3 damage param picked by any chance?

[blazing perch]

Nope

I haven’t even got 2k points I’m using like 1500

[lean lion]

Did you level up Grimsley to 120?

[blazing perch]

135

[lean lion]

Send your params

Definitely shouldn't be getting one shot

Maybe Bertha got a lucky crit or does it happen each time?

[blazing perch]

I’m newbie maybe I’m doing something wrong with params

[lean lion]

There's presets in the pinned messages of this channel

[blazing perch]

I’m sending the params I was using

[lean lion]

You can try to clear with the 1500 preset first. Then add points as you get more confident.

[blazing perch]

I believe my grimsley is just weak

[lean lion]

Pick strike x3 damage instead of atk 1 and sync buff 5 instead of atk 3

[mellow linden]

Avoid -Sync Countdown parameters

[lean lion]

Oh missed this, this as well

[mellow linden]

Also, the 50-point Physical Damage Reduction and 50-point Special Damage Reduction parameters just set Reflect & Light Screen, which are ignored by critical hits

Meaning that with competent teambuilding they’re a free 100 points total

[blazing perch]

Yeah still learning I’m gonna check the pinned presets too

But I need some team comp tips

[mellow linden]

Make sure to level 120 your K. Grimsley and grid his Haymaker & Insult to Injury tiles

If you don’t want to play around Metal Burst then ignore his Trainer Move and let your Support handle his Attack & crit buffs

[blazing perch]

I will try it and see what’s better thanks

[blazing perch]

He is still getting 1 shot

[mellow linden]

By what specifically?

[blazing perch]

By the opponents sync

With +6 defence btw

[lethal flame]

Is Para any good ? Lucian keep hitting through it

[mellow linden]

You’re probably gonna need to turn off Interference Immunity and try to flinch to buy you more turns or try off-typing/Poison stall

[fading cradle]

wait so for kgrimsley vs bertha, do u want to touch his tm at all?

i have his iron head grid on

[mellow linden]

Don’t rely on it, most opponents have mitigation and so it’s mainly only good for activating specific damage modifiers or disabling certain enemy passives

[lethal flame]

Okay so not a good start

[mellow linden]

Depends, if you don’t want to use Metal Burst then it’s not necessarily something you wanna use

[blazing perch]

Can I use someone else except grimsley cause he keeps dying

[fading cradle]

got it, and should i just restart the battle if hop’s mpr for his tm doesn’t happen?

[mellow linden]

You might be able to try Gloria and have Colress be the Sync nuker (you’d need to turn off No Status Conditions if you do that)

[mellow linden]

Yeah

[fading cradle]

i actually haven’t thought of gloria. does she need move levels though?

[mellow linden]

For basic 2k she might be alright on this stage specifically

Especially if the enemy ends up Syncing

Which reminds me

[mellow linden]

If he keeps getting KOed by Sync and you can’t KO before enemy Sync then you may want to try post-Sync parameters instead

[blazing perch]

That’s what I’m using but don’t know why grimsley feels so weak

[fading cradle]

post sync 💩💩💩💩 i’ll go test it out then

[mellow linden]

The parameters you showed us looked more akin to a pre-Sync setup

Did you adjust to one of the post-Sync options in the pins?

[frosty pilot]

CS is heavily oriented towards pre-sync DPS clears

[blazing perch]

Yeap the 1500 one

[mellow linden]

How close is the center getting to KOed by the time they Sync?

[blazing perch]

He is like 70% hp

[mellow linden]

Are you focusing on the center first?

[blazing perch]

Yeah

I’m buffing defence and attack I’m lowering defence and then atta k

Attack

[mellow linden]

Are you making sure to triple queue?

[blazing perch]

Lowering enemy’s def*

Yeah but when I get hit by sync the grimsley gets 1 shot the corless like 30% and hop 60-70% hp

[mellow linden]

Who are you Syncing with?

[blazing perch]

Grimsley

[mellow linden]

And he’s gridded for Haymaker?

[blazing perch]

I get to sync just 1 time before I die

Yeah

[mellow linden]

Hmm

Could you show your other Support pairs?

[blazing perch]

Sure

[fading cradle]

once i flinch bertha with iron head, should i try to also flinch the sides?

[mellow linden]

You might need to do so, idk for sure though

[mellow linden]

One last question real quick, how new are you to Master Mode?

[blazing perch]

I know the really simple things like if I have special strike I don’t choose special reduction etc etc…I always was doing like 1k each stage and let it there but now I want to go for 8-10k cause I think I have the pairs for it

[mellow linden]

Ok

So at this point you may want to consider off-type or Poison stall for this stage

[blazing perch]

I’m aiming for more champion spirit and 10k is enough for me I think

[blazing perch]

U wanna see my tech pairs? And my strike pairs?

[mellow linden]

Sure

[fading cradle]

gauge is still super slow think i might consider lowering down the points at this rate

[mellow linden]

Could try off-type or Poison stall

Or wait and see if the new Lillie alt arriving tomorrow helps you

[fading cradle]

right, alright i’ll see if i can wait that out

im doing bertha r1 so it might be a while before i move on then

[blazing perch]

There’s all of them minus the supports I send earlier

[mellow linden]

Oh, you have SS Giovanni

Might be able to revamp the team comp around him

With him + Skyla + Colress

You’d need to wait on Colress’ Defense debuffs and instead do Thunder Wave and 3 Mirror Shots to buff SS Giovanni’s crit

Skyla 1st Sync for Support EX

[blazing perch]

I will try it

[blazing perch]

Didn’t work 😅

[mellow linden]

Did you make sure to use SS Giovanni’s Max Move after Skyla’s Sync?

[lethal flame]

Is there any info on what Lucian does ? His Giraffe is healing on every hit for 1.8k I don’t understand why psychic and zen headbutt would heal it

[fading cradle]

if he used his tm, it applies gradual healing to him

[lethal flame]

Okay that sucks

Jesus wtf is this fight I get Pinsir to +6atk, +3 crit, giraffe to -6def and I still can’t get it to half health

Honestly Lucian just looks unfair

[mellow linden]

You can always try off-typing if you’re struggling with Noland

Alternatively you could grid Noland’s Inertia tile and try a dual damage-dealer setup with him + Lusamine

Also, are you making sure to triple queue?

[lethal flame]

What does that mean ?

[mellow linden]

+triplequeue

[frozen depot]

In Pokemon Masters, the battles revolve around using your Sync Move as fast as possible.
Using moves will reduce its cooldown, which is also the case for the opponent!
This is why you always want all your pairs on the field to have moves queue'd.
Have 3 ally moves in between each 1 enemy move, even at the start!
After 9 moves, you can wait to queue your Sync.

See this quick footage for how to Triple Queue :
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/928038965129392151/1126108077519802378/5www4z.mp4

For more beginner infos, check our #1010307000346878062.

[lethal flame]

Maybe I should give Bugsy a try but I won’t be able to 5 star him

Yeah I always queue for everyone

[mellow linden]

Can try off-typing or the Noland/Lusamine dual damage-dealer setup then (the latter would need you to grid Noland’s Inertia tile from his Sync Grid)

[lethal flame]

I’ll try grinding it when I can farm more dual sphere

Off typing doesn’t work I don’t have any good enough units

[mellow linden]

You have several

Absolute minimum you have SS Lyra in general or Kris + Feraligatr under Rain

Either would be plenty for Hard Mode

[lethal flame]

I already used SS Lyra 😬

But that did the trick

I looked at who I had that could heal and lower def and Kiawe looked really interesting and he did amazing

[mellow linden]

Sometimes it’s just about a simple team adjustment, yeah

[lethal flame]

Well all I could do was try different recipes

It felt like a real accomplishment compared to Bertha and Flint

Now Aaron is left and he is scary

[mellow linden]

I’m gonna give you a tip right now

You have Bertha + Hippowdown, who hard counters Aaron’s gimmicks

So you can bring her as a member of the team (and she can even do a good bit of damage with her Sync Move if desired)

[lethal flame]

Yeah Bertha looked like a good option

Gladion doesn’t do close to enough damages i might need a full buff support like Lillie but she looks really weak

[mellow linden]

A combination of Gladion & Bertha along with a Support who can buff Attack and at least +1 crit (since Bertha handles +2 crit via her Trainer Move) should work fine

Gladion can switch to Ground and deal solid damage with regular moves while Bertha can Sync nuke

You just need to make sure Bertha uses Sand Tomb fairly early in the fight to disable Acute Senses

[lethal flame]

Should I use stealth rock ?

[mellow linden]

If you can find a turn to use it sure, but the main things you need are to keep Sandstorm active and to inflict Trapped status on the center

[lethal flame]

These are my support units

[mellow linden]

What Move Level is Sonia?

[blazing perch]

Skyla is already used unfortunately

[mellow linden]

Ah

Then you might just wanna off-type or Poison stall

[blazing perch]

Which team is good for poison stall?

[lethal flame]

1 😬

[mellow linden]

Poison stall teams consist of a Poison inflictor (ideally Bad Poison from Toxic or Poison Fang), a debuffer (Janine + Ariados is the premier option due to Venom Drench, but others work), and a tank

[mellow linden]

Ok, just wanted to check. If Hop is still available he can probably work

[blazing perch]

From my roster which pairs are good for poison stall

[mellow linden]

The most common picks for the Poison inflictor are Lucy and BP Erika (or SS Leaf if you have her)

[lethal flame]

Hop and Zamazenta ? He carried me through Bertha

[mellow linden]

So one of them + Janine + a good tank (ideally physical) would work

[mellow linden]

In that case, if your Hilbert is 3/5 grid his Critical Squad tile and use him, otherwise try Maylene

[blazing perch]

Let me give it a go

[mellow linden]

If need be Bertha can act as a tank on the team

[blazing perch]

What about emma ss leaf and a tank?

[mellow linden]

Emma cannot act as the debuffer in Poison stall and SS Leaf is handling the Poison infliction

Poison stall is not about your Sync Pairs dealing direct damage, it’s about outlasting the opponent as they die to DoT

And Poison stall has its own set of parameters

[blazing perch]

I feel like janine is gonna die fast cause she is 3 star I know I can make her 5 but still she feels weak I will give it a go

Is hop good for tank?

[mellow linden]

Hop can work as the tank if you’re not gonna use him elsewhere

Janine should have way more longevity than you’d think because your team’s defenses will be boosted and the opponents will have their offenses lowered

[blazing perch]

Ok let me check how it will go

[mellow linden]

Plus you’ll be using Poison stall parameters that don’t increase the opponents’ offenses at all (or if they do it’ll be very little)

[blazing perch]

Is there a specific grid for janine!

?

[mellow linden]

She doesn’t need grid for Poison stall

[blazing perch]

Ok

[blazing perch]

So about the poison stall I only manage to kill the center then I die

I poison them I debuff them all but the left and right don’t take dmg from poison

[mellow linden]

What do you mean “don’t take damage from Poison”

Did you actually inflict Poison on them via SS Leaf’s Razor Leaf -> Venomous 4 activating?

[blazing perch]

Yeah but only the center one got dmg and the right 20% the left one didn’t get poison dmg even though it was poisoned

[mellow linden]

Well they need to take action to take Poison damage

If the left side acted and didn’t take poison damage then they were never Poisoned

[blazing perch]

The left and right don’t act that’s what I’m saying only the right acts 1 time then it’s only the middle that acts and when the middle dies I’m too low and I die after I get hit from one of the remaining ones

[mellow linden]

Do you have BP Morty, perchance?

Actually, 1st, what parameters are you running?

Please show me them

[fading cradle]

i’m interested in trying poison stall, what units are typically used for stalling?

[mellow linden]

A basic overview of Poison stall teams

[fading cradle]

i see. not sure if i have anyone who knows toxic. i have koga for poison fang

[blazing perch]

I’m running the poison stall from pin comments

Basically it’s max hp up for the enemy

[mellow linden]

Then do you have BP Morty?

[blazing perch]

Yeah but not 3/5

[mellow linden]

Do you have Vigilance Lucky Skill on all your team members?

You might be going down to crits

[blazing perch]

No I don’t think I have on all of them

[mellow linden]

Try adding that then

[blazing perch]

Let me try again to see if I can get closer to win

[fading cradle]

trying this team for poison stall (will raise janine’s level), haven’t resorted to off typing since all my good off typers that are available are all special attackers ☠️

should i make any adjustments?

[mellow linden]

Looks fine at a glance

Make sure everyone has Vigilance

If possible

[fading cradle]

should koga be able to poison them first few turns? bro did NOT poison bertha 3 queues into the battle

[mellow linden]

If he doesn’t Poison the center by the 2nd Poison Fang then definitely reset

If you don’t wanna rely on the 50% chance you can use Lucy and grid her for Hostile Environment

Lucy also has Wrap for more DoT

[fading cradle]

nice, i’ll try that out. what kind of grid should i use on bp morty? i still have his aggravation grid on

[mellow linden]

Synchro Healing (or whatever the new name for it is) + Potion tiles

[fading cradle]

does the synchro healing only work the first time after morty syncs or does it work every time he syncs?

[mellow linden]

Every time

He has the good Synchro Healing

[fading cradle]

oh that’s pretty cool

[supple reef]

there is a separate passive for Initial Synchro Healing, it will have 1st at the beginning and it only belongs to 4 sync pairs

[fading cradle]

how should i grid lucy?

[mellow linden]

Hostile Environment is the important tile, if you want you can grab Pokey Trap and otherwise it doesn’t really matter

Maybe some Wrap accuracy tiles for less RNG

[fading cradle]

that poison stall strategy actually is kinda crazy lmfao. managed to 2.6k this stage

[supple reef]

I feel like 3k should be very within reach for any poison stall team

[fading cradle]

i just didn’t know what other params to add on, so i only 2.6ked her

i can probably restart and try to do her 3k since i did her r1

[supple reef]

You probably didn’t go full defense full damage reduction, you can also do things like 3x strike damage for some chip points

[fading cradle]

oh you’re right maybe so

[fading cradle]

these were the params i had on (ignore aaron since i cant fight bertha again for now)

[supple reef]

I’d swap off interference immunity and add those two parameters at the top, add gradual healing at start, and probably strength up 2?

You could also maybe get away with half HP at start

[chrome sparrow]

What are the best parameters for the E4 rn? Returning player and my brain is tiny

[supple reef]

which also segways into my next point, Sycamore is actually a sneaky good poison stall tank

[mellow linden]

We have some Master Mode parameter recommendations in the pins

[fading cradle]

wdym by 2 parameters at the top?

[supple reef]

the attack and sync cd 50 pointers

[fading cradle]

is he? i was a little afraid of using him since bertha is more physical and sycamore is better at special tanking

[mellow linden]

I’d avoid using -Sync Countdown parameters on Poison stall

Because that applies to all Syncs and not just the 1st

[supple reef]

1 cd is totally reasonable to handle, I don’t like more than that though

[supple reef]

he actually might need ontype, his horn leeches might not heal him for enough would be what I’m worried about

gradual healing definitely needs to be added to close the gap on poison stall, you should never be in jeopardy of dying and you aren’t doing damage so the gradual healing heals nothing

[chrome sparrow]

aaa I don't remember the rotation at all it's been so long

[mellow linden]

Unless Ingo has a status change he can apply that I’m forgetting you don’t have a way to deal with Aaron’s Acute Senses on that team

[fading cradle]

oh that’s a good point, gradual healing doesn’t heal all the damage from badly poison damage right?

[chrome sparrow]

That sign can't stop me because I can't read

Okay that sign stopped me, wtf is acute senses

[supple reef]

Bad poison will continue to ramp through gradual healing

[mellow linden]

Reduced damage taken unless affected by a status change

[fading cradle]

got it, might try bertha’s fight again then and see if i can get a higher number of points

[mellow linden]

Which I remembered that Gradual Healing counts as (I keep forgetting that)

[chrome sparrow]

I hate it here

[mellow linden]

So as long as you grab that point parameter your current team is fine, my bad for forgetting that earlier

[chrome sparrow]

Errr so what should this team be to stop acute senses

[mellow linden]

Just grab the “opponents get Gradual Healing” from your point parameters

I made a mistake and forgot that Gradual Healing counts as a status change to disable it

If you grab that then your current team is fine

[supple reef]

You’ll have full damage for 8 attacks per opponent but after that acute senses will kick back in

[mellow linden]

8 attacks should be plenty of time

With that team especially

[chrome sparrow]

Okay then I'm having a skill issue, do you know what my rotation should be? Managing sandstorm and ground zone with the mega is hurting my tiny brain

[supple reef]

Definitely for the sides, I’d be only slightly worried about mid but Courtney can sync

[mellow linden]

Field effects have a 45-second timer that will usually last a full 3 cycles (3 moves from your team, 1 move from opponent team)

[chrome sparrow]

Sandstorm affects Cynthia and Ingo buffs

[mellow linden]

For Sandstorm you can have Ingo act as the last of your team’s actions for your 1st cycle and wait until your 2nd cycle to apply Courtney’s Ground Zone

[chrome sparrow]

How long has it been since Ash came out?

[mellow linden]

Roughly 2 years at this point, he is unlikely to ever rerun

[fading cradle]

could this team 3k aaron

[chrome sparrow]

Are you sure the passive healing thingy turns his defense off? Cynthia's sync just did 400 damage

[mellow linden]

Sounds like you turned on Physical Damage Reduction 8 by mistake

The 100-point Physical Damage Reduction 8, 100-point Special Damage Reduction 8, and 300-point Standard Damage Reduction 8 reduce physical, special, and non-supereffective damage respectively by 80%

[chrome sparrow]

[mellow linden]

Could you show your parameters

[chrome sparrow]

I should sync with cynth first and then courtney right?

[mellow linden]

I’d argue Ingo 1st Sync might be best since he’s EX, but either one between him 1st Cynthia 2nd or Cynthia 1st Courtney 2nd is probably fine

[chrome sparrow]

Aren't all of them EX?

[mellow linden]

Yes

But they have different effects from their EXs

[chrome sparrow]

Ah is the support ex buff bigger than mega chomp?

[mellow linden]

Ingo’s means you get 2 Sync buffs (stackable +50% damage buff) instead of 1 the 1st time he Syncs, yes

[chrome sparrow]

Oh wtf I legit didn't know courtneys camerupt mega'd

Okay one down, thankyou for your aid

IIRC my steel team is braindead so that'll be comfy at least

Is Solg or 1/5 Gloria better ln the left slot?

[mellow linden]

Probably about equal since Gloria is 1/5

[chrome sparrow]

I'll do Gloria for the galar vibes then

Will this be okay for bugs

Wait now I don't have excadrill to help archeops for the rock weak one

[blazing perch]

Can you send me a video with the tactic I can’t seem to do it with the same team

[mellow linden]

I’d recommend an Attack + crit Support instead so SC Emmet doesn’t have to spend as many turns setting up his buffs

[blazing perch]

@mellow linden why I feel like my poison stall team is not doing poison dmg 😂

Like the rounds go and go and the enemy don’t lose hp except the middle one

And at the end I die after many rounds don’t know what I’m doing wrong

[mellow linden]

What’s the full team?

[blazing perch]

Same as melissa

Morty

Janine

Lucy

[mellow linden]

Unless you can 3/5 your BP Morty he won’t be the best option

[blazing perch]

He is 3/5

I just got him to 3/5

With synchro healing

[mellow linden]

Ah, ok

[blazing perch]

And everything

[supple reef]

You’re inflicting bad poison and don’t have the no status conditions parameter set?

[blazing perch]

But still lose

I only have the max hp param from pinned comments for poison stall

1.5 k points

[mellow linden]

Make sure you’re inflicting Poison & Trapped on everything with Lucy, make sure everyone has Vigilance, make sure you’re triple queueing, and only Sync with BP Morty

And make sure your BP Morty has his Potion tiles as well

[blazing perch]

That’s what I’m doing 😅

[mellow linden]

Are you able to record a run then?

Or show your full parameters in-game?

[blazing perch]

Except the vigilance

[supple reef]

Remember, your main objective with poison stall is not to win, it’s to not lose

[blazing perch]

Yeah give me a min I will show the param

[mellow linden]

Get Vigilance on everyone, you might just be losing to crits

Because iirc Bertha gives the whole enemy side +1 crit eventually, which means 50% crit chance

And crits ignore all the debuffs they have and all the buffs you have

[blazing perch]

I will try and give vigilance to all

[mellow linden]

You can add more parameters to increase your score with Poison stall if you want, btw

[fading cradle]

i venom drenched with janine until everyone’s stats were as low as they could get

[mellow linden]

All the damage reduction & Damage Reduction 8 parameters, all the Max HP parameters, and all the Defense & Sp. Def. ^ parameters

Because your team’s direct damage from attack moves doesn’t matter on Poison stall

[fading cradle]

i have a video of my parameters for 2.6k

i managed to beat bertha with poison stall without relying on trap from lucy

you might just be missing vigilance

[blazing perch]

I put vigilance to all let’s see now I put some more param too

[blazing perch]

Let me test now with vigilance

[supple reef]

full hp full defense full damage reduction crit reduction gradual healing should get you most of the way to 3k

[fading cradle]

do i really wanna restart the stadium just for this, i already did bertha r1 and haven’t fought anyone else yet

[supple reef]

If you hit 2.6k consistently, then that’s 13k which is pretty respectable

[fading cradle]

not bad, that’s pretty solid i’d say

i was thinking of fighting aaron r2, wondering if 4/5 courtney, 5/5 bertha ex and 3/5 aaron ex can clear 3k

[supple reef]

That’s most of the rewards, if you 3k the others then you only miss the 15k reward and it’s up to you to decide whether that 15k reward is worth your sanity

[supple reef]

Probably? It needs to take Gradual Healing to counter Acute Senses though (or is AS on status change?)

[mellow linden]

Gradual Healing is a status change, but Bertha handles that via Sand Tomb anyway

Ground weak Aaron was designed for Bertha

[supple reef]

yeah idk why I thought it was a status condition tbh

[fading cradle]

here are my parameters, i dont recall if bertha or courtney lowers important stats so i don’t have the no stat reduction param on

i need ~500 more points i believe to equal 3k?

[supple reef]

You can probably squeeze out some extra HP parameters (Courtney’s multipliers are on lowered stats) but I am also notorious for running more HP than I need to in CSMM

[blazing perch]

I did it easy now the vigilance was the issue

I did it for 2,3k I think and before I was trying 1,5k

Thanks guys for helping me

Should I offtype flint?

[mellow linden]

You can give Selene a try and see if it works

[blazing perch]

With which supports

[mellow linden]

She’s largely self-sufficient, so maybe just a Support to finish her Sp. Atk. buffs and if you have someone else that sets a circle they’d be a good 3rd team member

[blazing perch]

Is this team to random?

Or maybe I change falkner with a defence buff support

[supple reef]

is there a line here to sleepchain Flint?

replacing Falkner with a fast sleeper and gridding FT9 on Brendan

[blazing perch]

Something like elio?

[supple reef]

Elio has accuracy problems so anyone but him actually

[blazing perch]

Or melony

Serena?

[supple reef]

Melony can actually hit 100% accurate Sings with TM1, Elio’s are only 90%

Serena can also work with the added benefit of not needing to grid TM1, you do however need to continue targeting the right enemies as Go Viral 9 is not a get out of jail free card

[blazing perch]

Should I try with both?

[supple reef]

Your team needs to be a sleeper, a damage source, and your sleep chainer. Here, Brendan acts as your sleep chainer thanks to Fast Track 9 proccing off of any attack he uses, so your queue is sleep, damage dealer, dragon breath, and only start requeueing once you see the damage from dragon breath

targets rotate center-right-left iirc

[blazing perch]

I’m newbie so I will give it a go to see how it works

[supple reef]

you have room to do 1 turn of setup with everyone since Serena needs the accuracy buffs unless TM1 is gridded, so resetting for an X item is fine. Once everyone goes through their X items the battle standardizes pretty quickly and when you’re in the rhythm it doesn’t change until the opponents all die

[blazing perch]

Grid for serena?

[supple reef]

doesn’t need one

[blazing perch]

Ok let’s see

[supple reef]

I can also record that in an hourish as a reference, I have all the pairs for that clear and I’d probably just record it on 0MM to show a feel for the battle flow and so that I can upload it straight to Discord lol, just lmk

[mellow linden]

Ah, wait

You need someone to get rid of Sun

Totally forgot, my apologies

[supple reef]

sleep chaining would also get rid of the sun unless it’s infinite, but iirc that’s the Cynthia parameter this week

[blazing perch]

Tried with both serena and melony and lost

Plus I don’t do much dmg with selena

[fading cradle]

yeah fuck aaron, im not 3king that, gauge is too slow

[mellow linden]

If the point value is low enough Olivia might end up being better

[blazing perch]

I’m aiming for 1.5-2k

[formal vigil]

do you happen to have a 2/5 olivia that stage hase wise entry x2 so you need physical attckers

[mellow linden]

Can try Olivia then, make sure to grid Inertia and Stone Edge Amped Up on her (and Sand Blaster if you’re using Sandstorm)

[blazing perch]

Is olivia Kukui acerola good?

[supple reef]

There’s not really a dedicated tank there - you don’t need both Olivia and Kukui

any attack/crit up support would be better than Kukui

[blazing perch]

What about Olivia acerola and blue exeggutor

[supple reef]

Blue’s much more sun-focused

Kiawe?

Sonia is also good in that slot

[blazing perch]

I have both kiawe and Sonia

But not 3/5

If needed

[supple reef]

I think base would suffice on either

my instinct is giving a slight nod to Sonia because of defense debuffs

[fading cradle]

lowered the points down by 1k+ and im still getting wrecked, i hate you aaron

[terse pulsar]

what team are you running @fading cradle

[fading cradle]

i ran courtney, bertha, and aaron. already finished the entire stadium now but i only 1.6ked aaron

[lethal flame]

Just beat Aaron, Lucky Skills were CLUTCH

[mellow linden]

Congrats!

[lethal flame]

Helio made Cynthia the easiest one of them all lmao

Only eleven types but it’s not easy with a new account, kinda proud

[lethal flame]

I said Helio I meant Cyrus it’s his French name

[mellow linden]

Congrats on your clear!

And 9-12 types is generally the sweet spot for your 1st week on a given region’s Hard Mode, so you’re on track to unlock Master Mode for Sinnoh CS the next time it runs (unfortunately next week we move to Hoenn)

[lethal flame]

Well I hope Hoenn is easier than that but still a good feeling

[mellow linden]

It varies

Some consider it easier, others harder

[lethal flame]

And thank you it’s mostly thanks to you that I managed to do it

[mellow linden]

Glad I could help!

[lethal flame]

The Bertha strat worked really well

[mellow linden]

Bertha is a pretty easy pick for Ground weak Aaron since that fight was specifically designed for her to shine

[lethal flame]

Managed to get lucky skill sand surge on Gladion, and Lucky skill no poison on Bertha because her getting poisoned ruined my runs

But every of these 4 fights made Cynthia look so trivial

[mellow linden]

It can definitely feel like that on occasion. This week happened to be a particularly rough combination for Sinnoh

[lethal flame]

Yeah Lucian made me go insane lmao

[fading cradle]

12.6k csmm clear, not bad i guess (fuck aaron fuck aaron fuck aaron fuck aaron)

think i got more points poison stalling bertha than on typing aaron and lucian

[spice ridge]

Is there any F2P guide for the current CSMM?

Bertha is brutal

[mellow linden]

Poison stall is probably the most accessible option

[spice ridge]

3k for Bertha? What were your parameters?

[spice ridge]

Cool thanks. I tried with Solgaleo and kept getting rekt every single time

[fading cradle]

i 2.6ked her

i poisoned stalled her

[spice ridge]

Ahh alright. I guess without std dmg reduction

[fading cradle]

i had that param on, poison stall is about staying alive and letting the poison kill everyone

you don’t directly do damage with poison stall params

[spice ridge]

Ok I’ll try it out. Thanks

[fading cradle]

i also added the strike pairs take more damage since no one in my team is a strike pair

[harsh hollow]

First time actually playing the last battle in a champion stadium, which one should i pick?

[fading cradle]

i think that depends on your team

[fading cradle]

that’s a pretty killer team, might as well go with anything bc i think zerena will destroy regardless