Champion Stadium

[pure rain]

3/5

[old orchid]

so parameter issues then

you should use the pre sync set in the pins of this thread

[steel kelp]

Physical damage reduction watch

That or some def stuff

[mellow linden]

Yeah, if SC Barry under Zone is struggling then it’s a parameter or gameplay issue

Also, just in case, you aren’t required to run a monotype team and you’ll often get better synergy from multi-type teams

[undone ether]

haah. not having a decent special attacking rock ssync pair is pain

[steel kelp]

Who needs special rock when I got emmet and nc silver on my side

[undone ether]

dont have them both

[swift swan]

strong physical rock should still work

it'll only be as if you're offtyping

[steel kelp]

Although I could use Clue this week

[undone ether]

either SC Hilda or Diantha

problem, its Malva who can burn 😭

[north crown]

Safeguard:

[old orchid]

it's useless, because Rock weak Malva doesn't have Will o Wisp

[wide adder]

Oh man that’s satisfying

Decided to try some 3x support damage stuff this week to see what I could do without the support role

[rotund maple]

For red, if we are to use redlax/ss red/gordie for rebuff and sun, which selectable parameter should I choose? aka. does rebuff benefit from either status condition or stat lowering at all?

[old orchid]

no

[rotund maple]

ah kk, will just get the physical debuff then, special buff sounds dangerous against articuno XD

ty

[tired sleet]

Don’t underestimate Lodge Steven

He’ll probably be worse than the others but he can easily one shot stuff with nuke

[rotund maple]

Thank everyone for your help, barely managed to squeeze in 11k for the main event prize all those parameters helped a whole lot

P.s. highest I've gotten in all my csmm so far 🤣

[keen jasper]

Half sync again

Yay

[swift swan]

updated. tfw physical attack up parameter when all 4 E4s are physical oriented this week

[old orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-wizard-saruman-so-you-have-chosen-death-gif-24634148

[steel kelp]

Half sync with SS silver

It’s gaming time

Man I love SS silver and social security number

[hard notch]

Took me a second to get that joke lol

[trail smelt]

Surprisingly this week my ghost team had no trouble at all while my usual rock team stumbled a bit. Weird.

[paper summit]

your rock team is physical, Malva doesn't want that

[steel kelp]

It did not feel like malva had sentry entry x2

At least for me

Tho I was using nc silver and emmet

[paper summit]

SS Diantha already made it whatever before tbh, if you have Silver it's even more irrelevant

but those are pairs not everyone have so yeah

[old orchid]

Malva's HP is only 17k, that's why physical Rock still can brute force easily

[silver dirge]

Even Olivia tramples her with the right team/params

Imagine having an entry x2 gimmick and not causing turmoil, this was not your day queen

[trail smelt]

That’d explain that lol

Ready for next week

[steel kelp]

I get to do more dahlia shenanigans next week

[swift swan]

it's okay her theme causes turmoil enough

[main crow]

I used Grant/SS Brock on Malva before so you're correct Sentry entry x2 Malva is a joke

Her low base HP makes her such a non threat

[fast ruin]

Most of these teams are incredibly scuffed but it's fine I did it I am content with my point count

Also I still need to EX her (and she might be on the list for an ex role eventually I just forgot which one she has lol) but SSHilda is very fun so far

I just need a better support for those two which is definitely on the someday list

[steel kelp]

SS hilda is support

[fast ruin]

Ah right

Definitely need to grab that eventually then

[full mesa]

SSMorty is the best support for them.

And for fire types in general

I usually run SSSilver with Beartha. The rock weak stages are also weak against Stealth Rock terrain.

[brave halo]

OK here we go again, who's the intended pair for Malva, cause classic blue ain't it

[main crow]

Blue supposedly but like

Malva has such a low base hp you can pretty much brute force her with any of the accessible rock pair

[brave halo]

Yeah I got nothing for this, why did her Passive have to be x2

[silver dirge]

^ Classic Blue is even part special I don't know how you struggle with him, most definitely a parameter/team issue

[brave halo]

He just isn't doing good damage at all with it

[silver dirge]

+helpfaq

[frozen depot]

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[brave halo]

This is what I tried for it last, I've tried with gladion but I can't handle the sides cause they really needed to believe aoe sides was the smart move

[silver dirge]

1/5 so your sync isn't doing much at all. Go for Olivia instead, build around her. Bertha is fine for sandstorm you just need a support to set up Attack/Crit and ideally speed for her

Sonia Hilbert come to mind

[full mesa]

Also Stealth Rock terrain deals good damage

Don't sleep on it.

[brave halo]

I tried with emmet and the sync does nothing

[manic kiln]

1/5 just use olivia

[silver dirge]

1/5 physical sync against SE x2, no surprises there

[full mesa]

Even with 3/5 SSSilver I had to quadqueue twice.

[manic kiln]

1/5 strikers are very outdated tbh, you can make them work but their sync will always be bad

[brave halo]

Yeah olivia does nothing, malva hits way to hard

[silver dirge]

Then share your params or gameplay, you're doing something wrong because Olivia can definitely clear it. And before we go further, if you're just here to complain take that to #salt-channel, no one wants to see that

[silver dirge]

You don't need No Stat Reduction pick that up

[brave halo]

Uhh defense crush 9

[silver dirge]

Olivia can nuke without that

You've also got too much HP

Which is preventing you from clearing with the nuke

Swap No Status conditions with Interference

Pick up Strength 3 + No Stat Reduction, drop Max HP 8

You can get some flinches off Sonia to avoid the strong moves

[undone ether]

Arch, got any lodge steven clear against malva? O.o

[brave halo]

Yeah I don't have enough time, her sync immediately kills

[silver dirge]

She should not be syncing

[brave halo]

Well she is

[silver dirge]

Can you record?

[full mesa]

Sonia messes up the quadqueue

[brave halo]

Itd take too long to post

[silver dirge]

Adrenaline 1

Or just flinch/avoid a move before sync

[full mesa]

Do they run?

[brave halo]

That does nothing when they have tms

[silver dirge]

I can cook something up later

[full mesa]

Their best bet is to fish for status move on round 3 and quadqueue immediately

[silver dirge]

Huh?

[main crow]

I ran Lodge Steven/Emmet/Ingo earlier

[silver dirge]

It avoids the move you're about to get hit by and moves you up the action order

[full mesa]

Also Sonia's passive won't activate, making quadqueue possible

[brave halo]

But they still use the tm if they flinch, meaning no change in sync timing

[undone ether]

Move level for ingo and emmet?

[silver dirge]

No, it delays when they use that move

You get more turns for damage in

Since you can do your actions before they do

[full mesa]

You need fast fingers. Drop speed down to normal (not fast forward) and drop your games graphics to low if you can't queue

[undone ether]

Tbh I offtyped and just used bthunderbolt for 200k damage against Malva on r2

[main crow]

Both 3/5

[full mesa]

I used Zeus' rodents r3 against Siebold. Presync with 2 sync on half round baby

[undone ether]

Dangit. Ingo's at 2 and emmet at 1

Oh wells

[full mesa]

Did you need the extra tiles or not?

Because if not, 1/5 is plausible

[main crow]

Not really, rock slide aggravation may come in handy

But that's about it

[full mesa]

Rei, did you hear? Not really

[main crow]

Just quadque cus Steven nuke decimates anyway

And the sides don't have SEx2

[full mesa]

@undone ether sorry for the ping but here

[manic kiln]

Anyway 1/5 striker can still clear but you need heavy support, sentry entry who?

[full mesa]

You might be able to do it

[undone ether]

Hum ill raise lodge steven for the future then o/

[main crow]

My LSteven grid

[full mesa]

Ok. Nothing too crazy

[main crow]

Mine is EX but it's not necessary

[brave halo]

Yeah it still isn't enough

[undone ether]

Stealth rock before sync? Wokay

[full mesa]

Super preparation

[brave halo]

The sync is from +2 sync +6 atk

[main crow]

Steven NEEDS that stealth rock lol

[undone ether]

Wait a sec

[full mesa]

50% damage boost on sync

[main crow]

That's his innate multiplier

[brave halo]

And at least -3 defense

[silver dirge]

So you haven't changed the params

[full mesa]

Or it didn't crit

[brave halo]

I did

[full mesa]

Sync only have 80% crit rate

[main crow]

Also 2/5 ingo is fine since that has access to adrenaline 1

[brave halo]

I have no hp params active

[undone ether]

Ooof

[main crow]

So no need to quad

[full mesa]

Xaxaxaxaca

[main crow]

Oh oops lol

[silver dirge]

Is your Olivia EX?

[full mesa]

Illigal

[main crow]

Gimme a sec

[brave halo]

Ex 5

[full mesa]

MOOOOOODS

I caught him

[main crow]

I'm blind lmao

[full mesa]

I'm laughing so hard

[undone ether]

Ill save it for rock weak next time o/

[main crow]

He's a fun pair

I could record but I'm currently at a party atm

[undone ether]

Ts fine

[full mesa]

@brave halo It's only day 1. You can let it sit for a couple days and the check different clears (and f2p too) in yt. You don't have to complete it day 1 if you struggle. Focus on other content and don't lose time.

[manic kiln]

I cleared darach with lodge steven, he’s more than enough for CS

[undone ether]

Heavy support?

[manic kiln]

They have good enough pairs, just execution and team building/parameter issues most of the time

[manic kiln]

For what darach? 1/5 ncblue and 2/5 ssroxie

[brave halo]

Being day 1 means nothing to me

[undone ether]

Srsly though

[brave halo]

It's getting done today

[undone ether]

Smun+5 bthunder bolt to the face o.o

[undone ether]

Gl o/

[brave halo]

Literally she does too much, one flare blitz and sonia is dropped to half

At +2 def

Oh wait no I'm sorry +3 def

[full mesa]

That's ok. Sonia does Tm/potion/tm/sync

You have to fish for TMS on rounds 2 and 3

And quadqueue

[silver dirge]

What? No you don't

[manic kiln]

You probably stack too much HP or def

[undone ether]

Hp and Levels

[manic kiln]

With 2 supports just go for all offensive parameters

[full mesa]

Especially with those 2 supports

[undone ether]

I just want big numbers hehe 6 digit nukes lets go o/

[brave halo]

Ugh finally

Had to change sonia to acerola cause it was just not working with her

[fading cradle]

what’s recommended to bring in for siebold?

[brave halo]

......why is there a stat reflection

[undone ether]

is that Diantha one?

yeah got surprised about that one.

[grand harbor]

So guys i see the parameters guide

[brave halo]

That is so incredibly stupid, I'm already having trouble and lodge dawn can't handle it

[grand harbor]

But it sets up to 2500 point

So some ppl told me to try the 850 points guide

Where can i find it or which points do i skip?

[silver dirge]

Go to the first link, there's also an 850 set there

Change the tab

[grand harbor]

Thanks alot

[silver dirge]

But the most important thing is to understand what the parameters do and adjust them for your team

Eventually you'll get a hang of it and be able to do higher points

[grand harbor]

And what is packages tab?

[lunar meadow]

Woo, caked Hisui Zoroark!
Now I can pre-sync, even with post sync parameters haha

He has multipliers for having +def and +Sdef.
And I think takes less damage if he isn't status changed

[steel kelp]

I think it’s less about status change and more about the stance

[mellow linden]

Ghost weak Wikstrom doesn’t have any damage reduction passives

His gimmick is Tough Cookie/Smart Cookie and Rising Tide, he’s designed for SS Korrina

[fading cradle]

guys what do i do for diantha 🥲🥲🥲 my only poison units are plumeria, looker, and allister

(and whatever 3 or 4 star units i have ig)

[mellow linden]

I mean, if it’s Hard Mode or low point value Master Mode then really any on-type option will work just fine

Also Roxie, Lucy, and Koga are all good picks as well, don’t ignore your low-rarity options

[formal vigil]

Do you have koga invested him with allister and special support can easily handle diantha

[lunar meadow]

Oh, woops

[nocturne pawn]

poison stall

[fading cradle]

so koga and allister? and who’s a good support to have with them

[lunar meadow]

Ya, poison weak diantha is much easier than some of the other fights this week

[mellow linden]

Just about any Sp. Atk. + crit Support

[formal vigil]

What special attack crit buffers do you have?

[lunar meadow]

Who do you have that boosts special attack (and maybe sdef)

[nocturne pawn]

ss elesa

[fading cradle]

steel diantha was a lot easier for me 😭 i have too many steel type sync pairs

[steel kelp]

Poison is not in a bad place

[mellow linden]

Poison weak Diantha really isn’t that bad

[nocturne pawn]

the only passive diantha has is MH2

[steel kelp]

People just refuse to look at anything less than 5*

[mellow linden]

Her gimmick is like, Fairy Zone before Sync and that’s it

[nocturne pawn]

which isnt really bad

[nocturne pawn]

she doesnt even have multipliers for if

[lunar meadow]

Poison-weai CS fights have much lower poison resist than others do.

Makes toxic stall work, too

[grand harbor]

Tried 850 using sc barrybon seibold i tickle him 😂

[nocturne pawn]

which makes me think shes incomplete

[nocturne pawn]

did you status him

[fading cradle]

these are my rosters for support roles (i can’t use vfalkner or melony)

[mellow linden]

Well Siebold is now weak to Electric and has an entirely different gimmick than last week

[mellow linden]

Kiawe’s fine for Hard Mode

[grand harbor]

🤔 Didnt notice

[lunar meadow]

This week, you want to status effect his Barbaracle

[lunar meadow]

That's a big yikes.

[grand harbor]

And barry the one i got for revenge 🤣

[steel kelp]

We love healthy advantage

[fading cradle]

alright so koga, allister, and kiawe?

[grand harbor]

Okay so one question for this week who should i never leave for R4 as i always mess it up

[nocturne pawn]

who should i bully first

[nocturne pawn]

this week’s r4 is pretty harmless

for r2 avoid wikstrom and siebold

[steel kelp]

Do malva

[mellow linden]

Should work fine if it’s Hard Mode or low point value Master Mode

[fading cradle]

alright i’ll try it, do i have to raise koga to 5 stars? idk if i have enough resources to raise him to 5 stars

[mellow linden]

4-star potential is plenty, just make sure everyone is level 120

Higher is fine, but not necessary

You’ll wanna use Koga and Allister’s Trainer Moves at least once each, and make sure to Sync with Koga

[steel kelp]

Ready for takeoff

Time to see which one gets replaced next week

[swift swan]

The myth, anni skyla

[steel kelp]

Picked her from a select

Was not gonna wait until eos to get her also cause I’m doing unova max

She’s my next tech to 3/5

[mellow linden]

Iirc she gets TSE at 3/5, so you could absolutely roll with triple Skyla if you’re fine running A. Skyla as a zonebot

In fact, I’m probably gonna try that next week

[lunar meadow]

She's a nice 3/5ex

Since latias got a EXRole... Tornadus and Flygon should too

I can't imagine Flygon's EXRole mattering unless she gets support

[mellow linden]

Is Raihan’s Flygon female?

[steel kelp]

Watch they’ll give anni skyla an exr and not do a nonpaid rerun

[fading cradle]

alright, do i have to grid them? none of them are really gridded

[mellow linden]

Should be fine gridless until maybe 1500+ points per stage on Master Mode

[nocturne pawn]

i dont think it is but it doesnt really matter theres no gender diff

[fading cradle]

alright, should i attack with koga or allister?

[mellow linden]

Well I already said who would be best to Sync with

Both should be dealing damage on that team

[mellow linden]

Raihan and his Flygon are both dudes, btw (just googled it for Flygon)

Anyway, tried a fun team of Iono + C. Elesa + Lodge Volkner against Siebold today

[undone ether]

Lodge Volkner gamin 😄

i just went with The Xmas 2022 combo + SST Red

SST Red gets to do Haymaker + Cakewalk + still have access to his Max Move for E-Terrain

[fading cradle]

whew that did it, thanks for the help 🙏🙏

[mellow linden]

Congrats!

[undone ether]

https://vxtwitter.com/shioonigiri_san/status/1779824848774312137 the hell

[swift swan]

[left storm]

Yeah I mean

What's surprising about it

Rock weak malva is the lowest difficulty stage in all Kalos

Especially if you're running a solo sprint/field, you're gaining 200 free points

[nocturne pawn]

is wikstrom a 28k hp stage

[silver dirge]

yes

[nocturne pawn]

ok so hp 2 was a mistake

cuz now he has like 60k hp

and ssrc sync didn’t crit

amazing

[nocturne pawn]

bro i fucking hate wikstrom

[left storm]

Who are you using

[lunar meadow]

Lol, I pre-synced him with +12 str, +6 HP, and gradual healing

H-zoroark is a hell of a drug

[left storm]

Running victrier is highly encouraged

[keen jasper]

I managed to brute force Wikstrom in 4k pts. with Anni Lillie

[left storm]

100 points for stat ups + role points depending on comp + stage wants no buffs anyway

[left storm]

Post sync?

[keen jasper]

Pre-sync

[left storm]

Is she 3/5?

[keen jasper]

2/5 not EX and not EXR

[left storm]

Damn

Nice

[dusty blade]

this week?

[keen jasper]

But it required Super Prep triggers to OHKO the sides with her Moongeist Beam

[dusty blade]

video or it didnt happen

[keen jasper]

I have it on my channel

Not advertising

[dusty blade]

get him mods

[left storm]

I can recommend this

#1209457129979641886 message

For wikstrom

[keen jasper]

Selene Spirit Shackle DPS

[left storm]

Yeah

Hey

It works

[keen jasper]

All of them are easy this weak except for fucking Wikstrom

[dusty blade]

malva aint easy

[keen jasper]

I'll have to look at my video again on which params I used to to 4k pts. him

Should I be a crazy one and go to R2 Malva to see if SS Diantha can OHKO her at max HP in 4k pts.?

[undone ether]

i just used SS Korinna and delete all of his buffs.

[left storm]

If diantha is 3/5 that should be free

[dusty blade]

u alr crazy lmfao to do pts higher than 3k when u get no rewards

[keen jasper]

@swift swan Why do you forget about Malva on R2?

[keen jasper]

I've done that ever since I started it

[left storm]

I used to do 3k before we had increase

It's just a great sweet spot

[dusty blade]

thats my point 😭

[keen jasper]

Even before 3k pts., I'm already doing 4k pts.

[undone ether]

they're trying to do 4k points or more

[left storm]

3k means most units can still clear

[undone ether]

mostly becausse, we might get an upgrade in the future.

[left storm]

But 4k forces ontype

And meta units mostly

[keen jasper]

I might use Geeta for Diantha

[left storm]

Or just optimal strats

[keen jasper]

Because of that damned fairy zone

[undone ether]

or sleep tactics ooof

[left storm]

3k lets me do fire DPS kiawe

[silver dirge]

She didn't forget, Malva's moves are a lot weaker than the other two. Remove her sun and she hits pretty normal

[undone ether]

Variety Kiawe sheningans? 😮

[left storm]

No

[keen jasper]

Hmmmmm, ok

[left storm]

Hey he has cs3 and insult to injury

[keen jasper]

The most cursed thing, supports actually dealing damage

[left storm]

I had to humour it

I already used him like

3 times

As ghost dps

I had to try flame charge DPS

(it's much worse)

[keen jasper]

I'm actually kinda wishing I got NC Silver, but eh, 0.5 anni units shaft me

Except maybe Geeta

[left storm]

I like him a lot

He's really fun

[silver dirge]

I tried to do a support DPS run on Malva with Surging Sand 5 Roxanne

it failed quickly

[left storm]

Yeah no

[undone ether]

i skipped Silver. Geeta's kinda nice though

[left storm]

Roxanne is impossible to save

[silver dirge]

[left storm]

There's limits

Between feasible

And masochism

[undone ether]

used her with with Ball Guy and Emma 2R

[left storm]

Like, this week if I get no CS request

For malva

I'm doing onix nuke

[undone ether]

destroyed her before she could sync, with full HP and Levels.

[keen jasper]

Anyone tried 5/5 SS Diantha on Malva on R2?

[left storm]

I mean Geeta can solo poison weak and duo rock weak like nothing

[left storm]

I mean I soloed malva with 1/5 at 2.5k 6-8 months ago

How harder it can be

[keen jasper]

You know my usual stuff right?

[undone ether]

tbh... i'm thinking of doing this

[left storm]

Yeah, if it's 4k

I bet it's harder

But like

I bet it's easy as fuck

[undone ether]

i'd have to spend a support candy on him, and he becomes near impossible to kill

[left storm]

Because 17k base hp

[silver dirge]

SS Diantha can nuke really decently off-type on 4k, I don't see why ontype would be a problem even with SE x2

[left storm]

^

Just don't give malva max STR max hp

If possible

[keen jasper]

-7 energy at 3/5

[silver dirge]

You're not losing out points to Standard DR too

[left storm]

Yea

[undone ether]

you need 4/5 for +8

[left storm]

Those 300 points do a lot

[undone ether]

+6 is 3/5

[left storm]

Are you.

Candying for 2 energy.

[keen jasper]

Your energy on your Ball Guy grid is -7

[left storm]

🤢

[keen jasper]

And is showing 3/5 only

[undone ether]

yeah i'm cooking 😭

[undone ether]

i'm thinking about it

[left storm]

Yuck

Candy excess much.

[keen jasper]

I'm looking forward to the day we get someone with Meteor Beam for Malva

[left storm]

Buddy meteor beam seasonal when

Shiny starmie or nihilego

Idk

I love that move ffs

[keen jasper]

Imagine if that unit with Meteor Beam is similar to SS N

[left storm]

I wouldn't mind it

I like SSN

He's not op but he's very fun to use

[sharp willow]

he's my best ice damage dealer rn and like

sometimes i hate using him but most of the time he's fun

why is a 2 turn 90 accuracy move with no base kit acc buffs a thing though 😭

oh nvm he has an acc +5 tile.

even better.

[left storm]

I really need to 2/5 him for pinpoint entry 1 one of these days

[sharp willow]

yeah thats a consideration i've been having, but there's too many techs i want to candy to start with

[honest magnet]

so

i have problems again

I have 2 E4 left, Drasna and Siebold, and I have to beat them and Diantha with at least 2 new types from this list

i ain't seeing it

[sharp willow]

are those all the types you have left to complete your medal with?

well, anyway, Gladion should be a reasonable enough use on any of the 3 stages since his gimmick lets him do SE damage while still counting as a normal type for the medal, Skyla is a pretty good tank if you're willing to give her a bit of investment

[main crow]

@undone ether

Emmet and Ingo are grided with what is essentially their 1/5 and 2/5 respectively

[undone ether]

Noice 😮

emmet uses 4 bar moves? D:!?

[main crow]

Always has?

He has HTG5

[crimson wolf]

Trying to beat glacia but I can’t lower its HP faster

I don’t know why I chose Serena but the way that glacia just use icy wind, it just one hit kill two out of the 3 units. That’s why I have to user Serena for hypnosis.

[sharp willow]

for Diantha specifically Lucy should be quite good since she inflicts badly poisoned as a status condition and Diantha has a low resistance to that, you could also use Lillie since she also has the ability to heal the entire team on her sync move and try to stall Diantha out

[sharp willow]

could you share the parameters you've chosen for the fight

[main crow]

I mean ingo give team wide free move next so it's not really a trouble

And acid is like really cheap

[sharp willow]

you're 100 points over 3k, you could drop the strike / tech 3x damage parameters and surviving one icy wind should be fine, without losing any rewards

or exchange them for attack + 3 or something

[mellow linden]

Bring some form of weather to replace Hail, Fire weak Glacia gets a damage boost and a massive survivability boost if Hail is allowed to remain active

[swift swan]

All 4 E4s are physical this week but Wikstrom and Siebold have increased offenses

So that's what I pointed out to be especially dangerous

[crimson wolf]

It’s exactly 3k

[sharp willow]

yeah i included an extra parameter

i would still suggest switching those two for the attack up 3 parameter, it has significantly less of an impact considering you're using a strike and a tech on your team

[crimson wolf]

Ok

[signal plover]

i hated this stage so i’m going back to my ROOTS

[honest magnet]

yes

[rich needle]

The most expensive poison stall known to man

[signal plover]

deserved

[left storm]

Oleana could've likely just won if ran as DPS but we take a win as a win

[signal plover]

with 3k?

[sharp willow]

yeah

Oleana's kinda strong

[signal plover]

mine is 1/5 lol

idt her nuke woulda been enough to beat presync at 1/5 and wikstroms rising tide hits way too hard

3/5 perhaps

[sharp willow]

its still a power play nuke and a 200 BP DPS

[signal plover]

its not beating 3k wikstrom lol

its really not that strong at 1/5

[mellow linden]

I'd be surprised if Oleana + 2nd Poison damage-dealer + Support wasn't able to do the job for an off-type clear

[signal plover]

maybe another stage

ghost weak wikstrom is not easy

[sharp willow]

if i had Oleana i'd test but i'd also be surprised if she couldnt

[wary fulcrum]

Siebold hates me so much

[mellow linden]

What team are you running, is it Hard Mode or Master Mode, and if Master Mode what parameters are you running?

[peak stirrup]

What are some characters that work well with Geeta?

[keen jasper]

Literally any poison unit

The ones who massively benefit from her are Emma, Oleana and SS Roxie

[crimson wolf]

It’s still not working. She still doing one hit kill

I switch to 3+ attack up

[keen jasper]

Who?

[crimson wolf]

This

[keen jasper]

You're not replacing her hail

You don't have a weather replacer

Glacia wants you to bring a sun setter

[nocturne pawn]

is ice weak drasna supposed to be for ss N

speed and attack multipliers with a decreased resistance to paralysis

[sharp willow]

yeah, endurance passive too

[rotund maple]

Any recommendations or tips to parameters for this week? What to pick and what to avoid?

[nocturne pawn]

is toxic just to punish post syncer

[sharp willow]

🤷

[keen jasper]

I think that's for Melony

[nocturne pawn]

hm well sides are comparatively weaker

to other cs stages

so i think the idea is to just nuke mid with ss n

[sharp willow]

Malva is recommended for Round 2 since all 4 rounds have physical moves but Malva is the easiest to tank with that, pick whoever you're most confident with your team for round 3 bc thats half sync

[empty portal]

I can't see the parameter pin...can someone post the parameters for ne?

[keen jasper]

This one
#1009554906568462476 message

[iron mist]

Does everybody have the exact same CS at all times? Or is it randomized

[mellow linden]

It’s the same for everyone, it resets weekly

[iron mist]

Thank you as always

[mellow linden]

We just happen to have the Fire weak special CS going on right now too, so that’s why people are doing stages that aren’t part of Kalos CS

[iron mist]

Right, I gave up on that one at least for now. Gonna try to get 15k this week for normal CS though, just gotta figure out what order I should take them on and what teams I should use

Would 4* Roark be enough DPS to take on Malva?

I have him gridded and I gotta get CS2 but then after that I’m trying to figure out what buffers or debuffers to pair him with

[mellow linden]

Rock weak Malva has Sentry Entry x2, so physical Rock pairs might have a bit of a rough time

[iron mist]

This is unfortunately the rock pairs I’m working with

[mellow linden]

You can still give it a shot and there’s always off-typing as an option if need be

[iron mist]

Unless Olympia Ancient Power does a fair amount of DPS?

I have 1/5 EX Olympia if that might work better

[mellow linden]

Unfortunately no

[iron mist]

Alright I’ll probably have to look into off-typing then

Is there any people that would be easy to poison stall this week?

[mellow linden]

None that come to mind as outright easy to Poison stall, but while Diantha does set Fairy Zone right before she Syncs she also should be more susceptible to Poison stall like most Poison weak CS stages, so maybe her

Don’t worry if you have to drop the points below 15k total, the rewards difference between 12.5k and 15k is pretty minimal

It’s possible he’s just not using attack moves early

Since in Shield Forme he effectively has both Wise Entry x2 and Sentry Entry x2

[nocturne pawn]

no shield form is doubled defenses

you need to have him attack to leave shield form

aka not use move gauge boost turn 1

[mellow linden]

The only way to get him to leave Shield Forme is for him to use an attack move

There is no other way

[nocturne pawn]

no how aegislash works is that he will start in shield form and once he uses an attacking move he will leave shield form

[steel kelp]

Defog also doesn’t work against sentry/wise entry x2

[nocturne pawn]

and he can enter shield form again if he uses king’s shield post sync

[iron mist]

I have Geeta for Diantha, so that shouldn’t be any issue

Wondering if Ghetsis is considered good enough damage for Drasna, it felt like it cleared the sides well but didn’t have enough direct damage, but he was awkward to buff

I have Giovanni or 2/5 Allister for Wikstrom and considering using one of them or both, unsure which is the better option

It looks like I’ll probably off type Malva, so I gotta figure that out.

For Siebold I have some options, 3/5 Elesa & Zebstrika, 5/5 Poke Kid, or 1/5 Volkner.

Here’s my EX characters to see if that opens up any obvious/easy solutions or strategies

[mellow linden]

Can definitely try May + Cyrus against Malva

Should be a solid off-type clear

[steel kelp]

Ghetsis is fine for ice stages

[iron mist]

Who would be a good support to buff him?

[nocturne pawn]

ss elesa

[mellow linden]

Regarding Siebold, since you’re on Master Mode and don’t have to worry about type medal you can run Elesa + Volkner + appropriate Support

[silver dirge]

Pairs that are generally good at offtyping, Wikstrom doesn't really have any specific gimmicks to counter

Gotta be mindful of parameters however, because stacking that bulk will inflate his HP really quick

[keen jasper]

He has Rising Tide

[silver dirge]

I said specific

[nocturne pawn]

a haze unit is good

[iron mist]

Alright so that seems to solve my problems for 4/5 of the battles, now all that’s left is for wikstrom. Thanks a ton everyone

[nocturne pawn]

because he has multipliers for defense

[silver dirge]

Rising Tide is also not a problem if you just presync

[nocturne pawn]

and he will hit hard

[silver dirge]

But debuffing defense is good yeah

[nocturne pawn]

like enough to one shot a support from full

[keen jasper]

Both defensive stats because he has Sentry and Wise Entry 1

[nocturne pawn]

gyro ball is also very annoying cuz doubled power if your speed is raised

its 2

[keen jasper]

Ah 2

Even worse

[nocturne pawn]

so he starts with a 24% multiplier to his damage

[keen jasper]

The fight is attuned for SS Korrina IIRC

[nocturne pawn]

i think both ssrc and ss korrina

[keen jasper]

SSR Cynthia makes sense because of her Sundering passive

Also Wikstrom has lesser defensive debuff mitigation

Which means it's definitely made for SSR Cynthia and SS Korrina

[cinder summit]

Marley & Arcanine

‎ Type: ‎　‎　Weak:

Level 140 Stats:

HP: 783
ATK: 239 | DEF: 267
SPA: 238 | SPD: 243
SPE: 295

Acquisition:

General Pool

Alternates:

None

Sync Grid Recommendations:

Support Minimal (3/5)
‎　+ Flame Wheel / Flag Bearer
‎　+ Flamethrower / Hype Up
‎　+ Defensive Utility
‎　+ Sun Tank

Lucky Skill: Vigilance, Defense Crush 2, Mind Games 2

[drowsy sequoia]

Oh no my bad I just think this is botzone

[keen jasper]

Who?

[rich needle]

Prolly wikky

[keen jasper]

Yeah, Wikstrom is a nightmare to deal with without good units

Doesn't Leaf already trivialize Wikstrom's gimmick?

[nocturne pawn]

hes still bloated hp

28k and can go up to like 45k with params

[mellow linden]

Sounds like you have the wrong Damage Reduction 8 parameter(s) turned on

Is Standard Damage Reduction 8 on by mistake?

[grand harbor]

Trying to do wikstorm

But not doing well

What would u modify?

[mellow linden]

Is this Hard Mode or Master Mode, and what parameters are you running if Master Mode?

[grand harbor]

Mm

850 off type run

[silver dirge]

Send the actual parameters in-game

[fast ruin]

Would it help if you made Leaf tank instead

[fast ruin]

I don't really have any experience with leaf but Bugsy/Scyther can be a lil squishy for support standards sometimes

I'd also personally skip on the healing down (especially if you're using a character with potions) but that might just be a me thing defer to everyone else

[mellow linden]

What specifically is going wrong on your clears? Trying to figure out what the best way to proceed is

[mellow linden]

Healing Down generally isn’t a problem in most cases

[grand harbor]

🤔 His Sync move take out barry and leaf

[mellow linden]

How many times do you use your Sync Move before he Syncs?

[grand harbor]

1-2 times according to how his passive works

[mellow linden]

And he’s still surviving even when you Sync twice?

[grand harbor]

Yes

[mellow linden]

Try using someone with Haze instead of Bugsy and tank with Leaf, see how that goes

[left storm]

Any Phys unit

Literally any, better if poison

Geeta can work as solo dps, in poison teams and as enabler

[civic crater]

For decreased sync countdown, is Siebold or Malva the better option? These are my options:

I think EXing Elesa is probably my best choice here

[grand harbor]

Is there a way to search for haze using trainers?

Cant find it in pomatools or the gsme itself

[mellow linden]

Can use the /move command in #bot-zone iirc

[grand harbor]

Ss misty

Let's try her

Ss misty and ss blue did it

And Barry's build is really fun to use 😂

Do u think giovani bianca and elio can defeat final stage?

They could on 1500 😅

[civic crater]

Malva is Sentry Entry x2 right?

[paper summit]

yes

[civic crater]

Only special rock striker I have is Classic Blue which…isn’t really it so I guess I’m off typing lol

[lunar meadow]

Physical rock is fine

Just remove her sun.
And keep her sun gone.

[rich needle]

Isn’t he the only notable special rock

[paper summit]

yes, and with Hyper Beam so he's fine

also, rock weak Malva only sets sun once so you don't have to "keep it gone", just remove it the one time and you can forget about it

[left storm]

He's really good as special tho

His hyper beam is really nice

[civic crater]

I just off typed with Marnie, I’ve always been a little underwhelmed with Blue but maybe I’ve used him in the wrong places

[wary fulcrum]

Finally

I hate you siebold

[rain turret]

this week's 15k wasnt that hard, only wikstrom took a few tries

[nova imp]

Why does this team barely deal damage?

Exr on both units, I sync first with ss Hilda obviously

[mellow linden]

I don’t think it’s a lack of damage from your Sync Pairs, but rather that you’ve stacked too much Max HP

If you’re gonna off-type high point value Master Mode I’d recommend having both your damage-dealers be the same type so you can better abuse damage-boosting field effects

[nova imp]

Right? I don’t have another good dark damage dealer though

For fire, I have ss morty, but my team with him instead of Akari also performed badly

[mellow linden]

What was the team with SS Morty?

[nocturne pawn]

sidney is gen pool and physical

cant get much better than someone whos completely self sufficient and has a good nuke

[nova imp]

Same thing (bp clemont and ss Hilda)

[nova imp]

True, will he be a better replacement than ss Hilda thoughhh

[mellow linden]

Run a dual damage-dealer setup where the 2nd damage-dealer has a good Sync nuke

[nocturne pawn]

yes

[nova imp]

I don’t have ex on bp clemont

So no support ex

[nocturne pawn]

because he has a sync thats actually being boosted by akari

[nova imp]

That’s what bothers me

[nocturne pawn]

zone is equivalent to a sync buff anyway

[mellow linden]

I accidentally overlooked that both your SS Hilda and Akari are 1/5, so that will actually cause a damage problem since the Sync Moves are on the weaker end

[nocturne pawn]

slightly better actually because its miltiplicative

[mellow linden]

Run SS Morty + SS Hilda + a Fire Sync nuker and you should be golden

[nocturne pawn]

sidney can nuke mid and akari dpses

[nova imp]

I need to lower defense

No?

[nocturne pawn]

do you think morty can take the boosted attacks cuz iron head hurts a lot

[nova imp]

Morty can

The thing that deals a lot of damage

Is brutal swing

Ss Hilda is weak to dark

[mellow linden]

It’s not required to lower his Defense, he just deals boosted damage when his Defense and Sp. Def. are raised

[nocturne pawn]

yeah thats what i thought

[mellow linden]

Depending on what your 2nd Fire damage-dealer is you may be able to just burn him down before he becomes any sort of significant issue

[nova imp]

These are my only other fire types though

there’s ss red but I kinda don’t like using him

[mellow linden]

Regular Hilda has a good Sync nuke

[nova imp]

I mean if ss red is better why not

[sharp willow]

You could go the sleep chain route with Serena if you were so inclined

[nova imp]

But I never really won anything with him

he always disappoints dunno how to explain

[nova imp]

That can work as well

[mellow linden]

Again

[steel kelp]

He’s 1/5

[sharp willow]

You're missing a lot of his sync damage but his regular damage should be sufficient enough in a dual dps comp

[nova imp]

Hm I’ll try

Worst case scenario I’ll do 14.5K

[mellow linden]

Your regular Hilda needs grid adjustments (grid her for Sync nuke and Critical Eye) and you should be doing 2nd Sync onwards with her since she’s your Sync nuker. You’re also gonna want to quadqueue so that you can Sync twice before the opponent can Sync

[nova imp]

Isn’t it better to sync with her on her 3rd and onwards? Ss morty and ss Hilda have support ex

[mellow linden]

You need to KO Wikstrom before he can Sync

You can’t afford to do 2 Syncs that are for getting Sync buffs

[sharp willow]

As you've experienced, hes killing you with his first sync

I would just ignore syncing with SS Morty in favor of getting Base Hilda's in

[mellow linden]

Yeah, I think the best way to handle Syncs is SS Hilda -> regular Hilda

[nova imp]

alright then

[grand trout]

Y'all talking how malva is weak even with sentry entry meanwhile my clue sync deals less than 1k damage 🫠

Tbf i have physical reduction

[sharp willow]

Yeah that sounds accurate

[nocturne pawn]

thats normal

i just brute forced with ss diantha

[rotund maple]

Is it advisable to poison stall Winstrom r4 or should I look for something else?

[steel kelp]

Any pair whose main damaging move and sync are different is weird

[nocturne pawn]

ssrc ss lyra nc leaf moment

[grand trout]

Brendan too, right

[steel kelp]

Yep

Although he doesn’t suffer as much since he maxes both offensive stats and crit with tm

[nocturne pawn]

not crit

but he is instant 6/6

[rotund maple]

stuck on r3 siebold atm, getting flattened by its sync even with most of the power and attack booster turned off, any tips?

[cold tusk]

champion silver b move eats right through malva even with x2 defense

on 3k

[undone ether]

nice.

[old orchid]

What team are you using?

[undone ether]

how' the gauge in R2?

[rotund maple]

This one is the latest attempt

[lunar meadow]

Indeed

[cold tusk]

just spamming t moves and trick or treat and then ghost zone and insta deleted all 3

[old orchid]

Change Sycamore to an EX support

[cold tusk]

with cyn sync

[undone ether]

EXR Cynthia? xD

[cold tusk]

yes

[rotund maple]

Tried that, support tend to survive well, the dps evaporates on sync and surf

[cold tusk]

i exred her for this very reason

[undone ether]

hum is your Fall Allister 1/5? or higher?

[cold tusk]

1/5

he died

but got both trick or treat off on center

[old orchid]

With Sophocles you should be able to deny Siebold's moves

Mind sharing your params here?

[undone ether]

so he'ss just there for Ghost Rebuff

[cold tusk]

yes

[undone ether]

i see.

[cold tusk]

costime irida for the master paasive

[undone ether]

next time i suppose.

i used Giratina as well

but with SS Korinna and SS Blue

[cold tusk]

interesting did u exr giratia

[undone ether]

ye

[old orchid]

When your problem is taking too much dmg, take dmg up params off

Power on Hit params are usually free params

[undone ether]

if you're sync nuking with Soph, i'd drop the Physical Damage Reduction.

[old orchid]

Half Ally Healing is good here too

[rotund maple]

Sync nuking with ss steven

[old orchid]

Sophocles is not nuking here

[rotund maple]

Sopho was mostly for the para

[old orchid]

Please try to be more helpful

[rotund maple]

But with the 3 turns, by the time sopho can Para the enemy team, I get hit by sync

And ss steven always get ohko on sync

🤣

So can't seem to deny with sopho well

[old orchid]

You don't have anyone to debuff Siebold's def

Replace Sycamore with Sonia, she helps with debuffing and generate gauge because Siebold has Slow-mo

[rotund maple]

Ah, will try that, ty.

[woeful wolf]

Is Nemona worth 3/5? Been hesitant to use my 2 sprint candy because im not sure what the future holds in terms of new units or reruns. So just currently holding on to them

[swift swan]

this question is more suitable for #1217072266878124122 . check the pins about who to candy

[tulip python]

Alright what on earth; red basically one shots my squad even with sunny day

[rotund maple]

Ugh, still can't clear siebold on r3... this parameter is crazy hard 🤣 siebold just requires too many things at once within the few turns before sync...

Not even sure what else to remove from the points 😂

[old orchid]

If you can record gameplay, it will help us to figure out what went wrong

You don't have any good Electric dmg dealers? Like Hau or 3/5 Elesa?

[rotund maple]

Tried hau, lacks a crit boost for him, and... without crit, he dies at siebold's 2nd sync

Discharge does too little damage and needed to survive to 4th sync for hau to kill siebold alone

Elesa is at 1/5 sadly

Tried swapping around the roles, with Barry Para and tanking and bugscy for the crit boost and def debuff, but Barry dies very quickly to razor shell 😂

Think adding troublemaker 1 to hau may help to drop the need for a pair just for the paralysis?

Instead of cs2?

[undone ether]

what team are you running againsst NC Red?

[old orchid]

Troublemaker does not affect paralysis chance. Because it only works on status moves like Thunder Wave

Do you have Volkner?

[rotund maple]

Sadly no

[old orchid]

No one to setup paralysis either?

I meant terrain

[rotund maple]

Only have psychic normal and dragon zone/terrain setters, none for elec

[full mesa]

No Volkner?

He's in gen pool

[rotund maple]

Nope, gen pool is surprisingly large 😂

[full mesa]

Honestly, it actually evolved yo hugepool.

[tulip python]

Had to do some reworking but managed to clear it

Had to use SS Cynth and Acerola

With Moltres

[undone ether]

nice

[tulip python]

And then change the strat to crush the annoying glaceon

Who uses blizzard

Then focus on the rest

[old orchid]

Let's get back to Sonia SS Steven Sophocles team. If your Sonia is 2/5 at least, grid HE1 so Sophocles doesn't need to click Nuzzle

[sweet umbra]

Clutch is real!

[tulip python]

God help us if there is a fairy weak Special Staidum

[keen jasper]

NC Silver CS

[tulip python]

Clearly I hate Glacia and Moleyne

[rotund maple]

Sonia is... 1/5 😂

[undone ether]

We still dont have a stadium for NC Calem (Dark), so it might be his special stadium.

[tulip python]

Wouldn’t that be fighting tho

[keen jasper]

No

[tulip python]

Since dark is weak to fight primarily

[sweet umbra]

or bug or fairy

[tulip python]

Bug is horror

I have like 3 good pairs lol

[keen jasper]

Man, I hate resetting for Super Prep trigger because I also have to worry about Brutal Swing too

[rotund maple]

Maybe it's better to try my hand at wikstrom for r3 instead and punt siebold to r4 so it have a bit more setup time?

[keen jasper]

I am doing R3 Wikstrom

[undone ether]

i off-typed NC Red fight. SS Lyra + Mix Red + Adaman .-.
Unlimited Flinch Works.

[keen jasper]

Ew, SS Lyra

[undone ether]

Infinite Field Effects, might as well.

[keen jasper]

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[undone ether]

easy enough, i'd swap SS Lyra for Mix Red, Holiday Sycamore and Adaman ❤️

[keen jasper]

Sentry x3 bruh, why Adaman?

Unless he's for rebuff only

[undone ether]

you kidding? Mix Red would demolish w/e you put in front of him, nuke and B Move

[keen jasper]

Yeah

[undone ether]

with Grass Rebuff

and Sun Noes

*Nodes

[keen jasper]

But still I like to see the Lyrabi havers suffer

Make it happen DeNA

[undone ether]

we got SC Selene now too.

Unlimited Flinch Works

[keen jasper]

Only ST

And not similar to Lyrabi

[tulip python]

Is that what Adaman is for, flinching as well?? lol

[undone ether]

Adaman's there for sync nukes.

[tulip python]

Glacia and Molyene are the worst tho

Why. Is. The. Floating. Head Tanky.

[undone ether]

Ooof.

Glacia got Moltres + SS Red

[paper summit]

because that's just standard for fire weak stages

[keen jasper]

I on-typed the entire special CS

[undone ether]

SS morty + Moltres + SS Red

[keen jasper]

I managed to save NC Leaf for Red

[paper summit]

all of them but 1 are on the higher end of bulk

[keen jasper]

Her sync did 695k+

[sweet umbra]

Done with this week's CS 15k. Only Wikstrom was done with a limited pair since already did it with non-limited in week 1

[tulip python]

I wish Silver wasn’t a complete glass cannon

He’s beast for sunlight

Or was till Moltres

[keen jasper]

Ok, 4k Wikstrom done

[undone ether]

For Molayne i used Challenger Gloria, Variety Kiawe and SS Kris

get burned + pokey trap'd o/

[keen jasper]

Geez, RNG for Super Prep trigger and hoping to RNG that Wikstrom doesn't do Brutal Swing is, well... Brutal

Should I ban myself?

[silver dirge]

[tulip python]

Challenger Gloria?

That the one with her Rabbit

[undone ether]

yes

-2 Fire Rebuff, makes Variety Kiawe's nuke be like NC Leaf's nuke

[tulip python]

Oh

Neat

What was Kiwawe’s variety

[undone ether]

Arcanine

Tech

AoE Debuffer + AoE Burn + AoE Bind

[keen jasper]

Challenger? Who's that? All I know is Gloria (Alt. 2)

[calm marsh]

Can anyone do Cynthia’s Shadow Forge -> Sync ?

Sync before Shadow Forge recast

[keen jasper]

JK

[calm marsh]

Idk actually, bc i remember before i could do it

But now i cant

[silver dirge]

Like click Shadow Force and sync while she's in the 2-turn action?

[calm marsh]

Yes

[silver dirge]

Idt so

[calm marsh]

Wait no

Shadow Forge -> Sync -> Shadow Forge recast

[old orchid]

You can't, when in the Shadow Force phase she is unable to do any other action

[calm marsh]

Oh, i find the problem, she has GH

[calm marsh]

No, i meant when she in Shadow Force phase, press Sync before Shadow Force automatic recast

[old orchid]

[calm marsh]

Guess i cant use SC Lillie when i want do it anymore

[left storm]

Yeah gradual healing fucks with some queues

Like sleep chaining different mons with single target sleep

If you have regen they queue before you can click sing again on NC Rosa for example

[old orchid]

Wait you meant others' sync, not Cynthia's sync

[calm marsh]

Yes

So her Shadow Force can benefit from Sync Buff

I used it mostly to kill sidemon ~~1%HP ~~

[sinful heron]

Okay so NCR is proving a nightmare, how the hell do I blitz him with this?

Current params are my usual:
Perma dualscreens
Atk/SpAtk 1
Def/SpDef 1
No interference
Sync Buff
HP 2
No stat drops
Half heals
Power up on hit 1 and 2
Gradual Healing
Special Damage Reduction
Standard Reduction
-2 max gauge
Strength 1, 2, 3 and 6

Managed to slog through the rest but I really regret not keeping Victini back for this

[grand trout]

Why gladion?

[sinful heron]

My other physical options for second dps are equally as shit

It's Gladion, Flint or maybe an eggmon

Or some shoddy double edge SSR thing

[grand trout]

Have you Tried just silver as dps, and replacing gladion with a tech or supporter that'll enable silver?

For example, a def debuffer or a fire rebuffer

[sinful heron]

I don't really have any bc all the support stuff got gutted by params

[grand trout]

Wdym by gutted

[sinful heron]

I don't really have room to swap params

And that cuts def drops out of the equation

[grand trout]

Ah i see. How about rebuff?

[sinful heron]

Rebuff is basically just Gordie and I'm not sure that'd be enough

[old orchid]

It's more than enough

Gordie also has Max Flare to burst

[sinful heron]

I need a proper DPS option bc the current double DPS doesn't kill Red before he syncs

[old orchid]

Try SS Morty first sync + max flare on side to deny it

[sinful heron]

And Gordie doesn't provide any supplemental damage to offset it, and rebuff isn't that good.

[old orchid]

What params are you using?

[sinful heron]

Listed them in the post

[old orchid]

Wdym? Rebuffs are broken

Do not pick def up

[sinful heron]

Basically just a massive presync build

[old orchid]

Burn doesn't help much

Pick no status instead

[grand trout]

Yeah j was gonna suggest pick other conditions other than no stat drops

[sinful heron]

I don't have anything left to pick up that isn't as crippling

I can do no def up

No stat drop is stuck unfortunately

[grand trout]

If you replace gladion with a suport you can pick techx3 and no status to replace no stat drop

[sinful heron]

No status got added to remove the def up

[old orchid]

Remove that + do this. You can even take off some strength to pick atk up ones up

[sinful heron]

If I want stat drops, I have to take atk 3 as well and bluntly that will kill people when he drops a blizzard, morty or no

[old orchid]

Gordie is better than a support tbh

[grand trout]

Oh yeah ik, im just suggesting how he can recomp params

[old orchid]

All good

[sinful heron]

So I tried this

Gordie died to a blizzard halfway to my second sync

From full with no crit and 5 or max spdef

[grand trout]

That's how it is

Just reset and hope red doesn't blizzard

[old orchid]

Did you take tech x3?

[sinful heron]

No

Also looking at these numbers

Is rebuff literally just 10%

Because it's barely increasing damage

[grand trout]

Um im not sure

I think it's more than that

[old orchid]

2 lowered rebuffs are 50%

[sinful heron]

Gordie throws up two and it's hitting for like 2k more than it was when I was using gladion

[grand trout]

Did you apply rebuff twice

Oh

[old orchid]

Gordie is not supposed to a dps

[sinful heron]

This is Silver hitting.

[old orchid]

Did you deny the left side after first sync

[grand trout]

Is your crit maxed

[sinful heron]

No because I tried and bluntly I need the max move to deny red's sync

They constantly queue before my sync goes off

[old orchid]

No you don't, just bank on Silver's sync

If you can do quad queue, no need to deny the left side

[sinful heron]

He doesn't get to it, the comp makes quadqueue not a thing

They always queue before the sync happens

[old orchid]

Then max move on side then

[grand trout]

How?

[old orchid]

Probably sun running out

[sinful heron]

Permafield

It's probably posthaste on gordie

They usually blizzard move 3 and he can scrape a survive there

Or some aoe

[old orchid]

Don't tank with him and pray for no aoe when you are close to sync

[sinful heron]

Morty is tanking lmao

[old orchid]

Nonetheless, try max move on left side

Right after first sync

[sinful heron]

I've done it now

It ended up being just "use it to deny the sync" bc silver was chipping too lightly

[old orchid]

gg i guess

[sinful heron]

Normally he's just there as a nuke while hilda blows the stage up

[grand trout]

Imo it boils down to params at this point

[old orchid]

yeah too many strength params + HP2

i don't have much issue with Silver

[sinful heron]

Tbh I can never find any other params that work and hit 3k

[old orchid]

the pins can help you with that

[grand trout]

I sound crazy but

[sinful heron]

The pins is where I got most of this

[grand trout]

Half hp works for me

[sinful heron]

Granted that was back in like 2.5k and I had to kitbash the last 500

[grand trout]

I'd rather play at a disadvantage than give an opponent an advantage

[sinful heron]

Bc the 300 didn't get added for ages

[grand trout]

I see you @silver dirge

[sinful heron]

But the params usually work

Except for my shit types, like bug, steel and electric

[grand trout]

Yeah just try experimenting with a new one just this once

[sinful heron]

Probably will

[grand trout]

Good luck!

[sinful heron]

Maybe I need to stop trying for field so much...

[old orchid]

i personally add more attacks, because i usually run bulky supps

[grand trout]

Yeah that too

[sinful heron]

I don't really have enough bulky supps

[grand trout]

If blizzards kill you anyways

Why not add more atk

[old orchid]

i'm the opposite of Arch, i'm not a half HP truther

[sinful heron]

Plus I have an awkward tendency to have plug and play teams for standard CSMM

[grand trout]

Tbh same

[sinful heron]

60% of the time, it works all the time

[lunar meadow]

I have premade teams for all csmm

[sinful heron]

The rest of the time I have to do some severe malarkey to make something work

[grand trout]

Oh you meant teams not params

[lunar meadow]

It works 100 % of the time

[grand trout]

Nvm lol

[sinful heron]

Usually steel or electric

But that's just a team issue as much as a param thing

[grand trout]

I find constructing new teams every werk to be part of the fun

[sinful heron]

Like my Electric team is like

Elesa/Nemona/Sonia

[lunar meadow]

I'll sometimes go challenges, like f2p or ask people to suggest mons to build around

[main crow]

SS Morty is fairly bulky so offensive params isn't much of a threat to him

[sinful heron]

Bc usually I need the double blast from nemona and the sprint bc Sonia breaks quadqueues a lot

[grand trout]

Agreed

[lunar meadow]

I always just do mono-type for my first clear though

[grand trout]

I suggest up your atk and remove hp

[old orchid]

you can give Sonia Adrenaline to fix that

giving terrain benefits Elesa more

just reset when she is sniped by a nat crit

[sinful heron]

Nemona actually benefits the team a lot more

[old orchid]

outside of her damage burst twice, is it?

[sinful heron]

Two bursts and the sprint to remove sonia malarkey is really all it needs

[old orchid]

[sinful heron]

Plus being able to max her speed means there's some semblance of gauge generation

[grand trout]

That's an interesting viewpoint

[sinful heron]

Rather than having to burn a potion or wait on sonia

[old orchid]

well Sonia is already a gauge support

if your Nemona is 3/5 she nukes really well

[sinful heron]

Yeha but the mga is on potion, which she needs second cycle

And her speed up is laughably awful

[old orchid]

i never see any gauge issue from her

you are supposed to click TM at first turns anyway

[silver dirge]

I run max offense + half HP so

[sinful heron]

Wild charge is 3, thunder punch is 2, and sonia is the most reliable paralyzer

[lunar meadow]

Yamper provides enough speed for gauge support.

She does not provide good speed for speed multipliers

[old orchid]

i should join max offense church

[sinful heron]

Which half the elec stages require

[old orchid]

i usually dont take atk up 3

[lunar meadow]

I pre-synced every fight with post sync parameters this week.

I hate pre-sync params

[grand trout]

Gakon

Gakon

Join us

And halve your hp

[old orchid]

max offense? sure
half hp? im still considering

[sinful heron]

I mean tbf I used my presync params for the special csmm and I ended up postsyncing like three stages lmao

[old orchid]

but more bulk for funny numbers

[grand trout]

Half hp is funny and satisfyinh when you use units that can heal

Like elaine