Champion Stadium

[left storm]

She tanks and chip even without crit tbh

[grand steppe]

let bianca tank. She's got Weird Shield.

[lunar meadow]

I use her as a tank, but she isn't really chipping without crit lol

[left storm]

Also Drasna is mostly special, Sabrina is kinda whatever

[grand steppe]

esp since she's not getting crit buffs.

[noble plaza]

Ah ok

[left storm]

My Bianca does 2-3k through light screen Vs max STR lol

[noble plaza]

I would crit buff but I want flinch too

[grand steppe]

you can also turn on Supp x3 damage and reduce bulk with that change

[noble plaza]

I have Ciovanni but he's not EX'd

[left storm]

You don't really NEED flinch

[rich needle]

“Chipping”

[noble plaza]

Drasna hits hard on 15k and I don't want to get poisoned

[left storm]

I mean 3k is 1/15 of max STR Drasna

It's not little

[noble plaza]

Wdym?

[rich needle]

It means I use hp

[grand steppe]

The Slo-mo is pretty bad. Doing this on Round 1 is probably recommended.

[left storm]

Why are you not running super freebie

[grand steppe]

I just used HS grid

[left storm]

It literally makes the stage a joke

[grand steppe]

mods bad at helping

this is also like my 3rd time using caitlin, since her launch

[left storm]

Damn

I've used her before her pb as tank in LA

Quite a lot

After PB she's really good on psychic weak

Like, really really good

[peak stirrup]

Should I be using special vs wikstrom?

[grand steppe]

Wikstrom just needs to be in sword forme to deal more damage

he has rising tide tho

[peak stirrup]

SSRC did quite little damage on a crit.
Might have to lower his defense and spdef

[keen jasper]

If you have SS Korrina or Event Victor, then it should easily counter his main gimmick

[full mesa]

SSBlue/SSRCynnthia/Event Victor. That was my team.

[peak stirrup]

I cleared it eventually but messed up using SS Calem forgetting I need him for dark team. Oh well.
Short sync absolutely killing me

[rich needle]

I saw that and was like is there secret caitlin tech I don’t know about

To not use super freebie

[rain turret]

yes

[left storm]

Hard gaem

(these two fucking suck)

[mortal dirge]

I gotta try that team cause I’m struggling hard

[pure haven]

wondering who should I avoid for half-sync

[rotund lagoon]

If you’re struggling, I’m sure there’s better options than what they tried. What do you have?

[pure haven]

iirc gradual healing negates acute senses right?

[steel kelp]

Yes

[pure haven]

nice

[versed meteor]

Ah yes kalos the biggest nonsense in this game

[left storm]

More like biggest punching bag

[left storm]

Yeah don't use those 3 lol

Post your ghost types

We can help

[mortal dirge]

And cofagrigus

[rotund lagoon]

Anni Lillie and Victor, plus a gauge Support.

That’s one option anyway

Or could do SSR Cynthia for the debuffing and another ghost damage dealer

[lunar meadow]

H-zoroark makes ghost stages as easy as every other stage 🥰

[mortal dirge]

I get OHKO from sync

At +6 Def

[rotund lagoon]

SSR Cynthia would be better for this then. Try her and NY Dawn

[left storm]

You should try killing before sync

[shell orchid]

I think team building went well this time around, but checking in just to verify (hard)

[noble plaza]

thank you!

[mortal dirge]

No way…

[sharp willow]

its easier than it sounds, trust me

[verbal karma]

Any ideas what I am doing wrong here?

(it's R4)

[mellow linden]

You’re not reliably dealing with Acute Senses on that team

Flinch is too volatile to be enough

[verbal karma]

oh, I have Interference Immunity on

so I can't even rely on flinches

[mellow linden]

I’d also recommend running a dedicated Sp. Atk. + crit Support if possible, since that allows Karen to get Devastation maxed by her 1st Sync

[mellow linden]

Turn it off

Wait

Are you using Gradual Healing parameter?

Because that would actually deal with Acute Senses for you

[verbal karma]

What to replace it with then?

[mellow linden]

Nevermind, you have Gradual Healing

So Acute Senses isn’t the issue

I think it’s probably down to Karen having to spend too many turns on self-buffs

[verbal karma]

The issue is that everything is hitting me too hard

[mellow linden]

What Supports do you have still available?

[verbal karma]

out of those supports, Janine is sadly the only support who can poison

and the Egg Umbreon handles Dark Zone

[mellow linden]

Are you particularly set on using Karen?

[verbal karma]

I mean, do you see a better option here?

[mellow linden]

Could just try “ol’ reliable” and do Nessa + Masked Royal/Sidney + Support

And then do like SS Blue as the Support

[grand steppe]

Does that Umbreon have Snarl?

[mellow linden]

Bite

[grand steppe]

I just ex’d my karen for this, but I used ZoroN to do double snarl.

[verbal karma]

damn, that team is also taking too much damage from everything 😦

[mellow linden]

Just try running parameters that give the opponents less damage then

[verbal karma]

well, can't forget that it's R4...

[mellow linden]

Malva’s already getting a significant damage boost from the round parameter, you might just have to deal with it and run post-Sync for less raw damage or something

[left storm]

Or use a better dark striker and support combo

Or offtype

[mellow linden]

Worst case scenario just turn it to Hard Mode, finish the run, and reset to place Malva on a different round or something

[verbal karma]

what would be your suggestion then?

[grand steppe]

wait there was no one countering Acute Senses there.

[mellow linden]

Gradual Healing param

[left storm]

Is your royale exed? If so that's a free win

[mellow linden]

I made the same initial mistake, but point parameters have them covered on this

[grand steppe]

Oh yeah.

I'm used to the UB version 😛

[left storm]

Malva has 21k hp so royale can easily kill the stage

[grand steppe]

are you trying to pre-sync +12 str or something?

[left storm]

Even without zone

[mellow linden]

That is in fact exactly what they’re doing

[verbal karma]

nope, not EX'd

[mellow linden]

I think you’re gonna have to either run different parameters, off-type/Poison stall, or just beat Malva on Hard Mode/a lower point value for now and reset to place her on a different round for another run

Because you’re running like, max offensive params on round 4, Malva is basically a death ray

[left storm]

Why not

You've been playing for years how come you got so many exless good gen pools

[mellow linden]

I don’t think any resources need to be spent in this instance

[left storm]

I mean

Royale or Sidney are so nice I always think either one is a great investment for csmm clears

But still, R4 malva is indeed half suicide

[mellow linden]

Yeah, when the primary issue ATM is that they’re running max offensive parameters on Malva Round 4, I think there’s avenues that can be explored before resource expenditure enters the equation

[left storm]

The best option is either running endure speedrunning or maximum optimal stall

Or resetting with 0 points on malva

Max STR malva is definitely annoying but without ex and decent dark units I think it's gonna be hard

[mellow linden]

Honestly I’d be surprised if switching up to post-Sync parameters with like, Sidney + Nessa + SS Blue (or Masked Royal + Nessa + an Attack & crit Support) didn’t at least get real close to a win

[rotund maple]

why does it feel this new stadium is harder than johto

[sharp willow]

Because it is

[undone ether]

Because Kalos is really difficult at 15k

[sharp willow]

Statistically Kalos is far stronger than Johto CS

[rotund maple]

oh XD

so its not just me then XD

[mellow linden]

Kalos is the most recent CS region, so it’s a lot harder than Johto (which was the 2nd CS region)

[rich needle]

the power of gimmicks

[mellow linden]

Honestly yeah

[mortal dirge]

Wow I still can’t get Wilkstrom done, any more ideas? First time this is happening

I wish I had Gourgeist

[tired sleet]

What’s your Ghost Attacking Roster?

[toxic cobalt]

This is kinda obscene

Guess you gotta presync him or debuff greatly

[undone ether]

who?

[sharp willow]

ghost weak Wikstrom

[undone ether]

oh

[sharp willow]

and yeah he kinda fuckin sucks unless you have a pair that can steal or remove buffs

fortunately we have a Victrier that can do that and be on type

[undone ether]

I went with SS Korinna and Giratina Post sync. ❤️

100k with Giratina, just forgot to use Ghost Zone before sync :x

[grand steppe]

Most CS stages have sides do buffs, Wikstrom's stage doesn't have sides that buff.

[verbal karma]

tfw neither Masked Royale nor Sidney are EX'd for me

Was considering EXing Sidney at one point, but...can't forget about the possibility of a different sync pair needing the EX more

[swift swan]

do they really need it? run them together, destroys dark-weak content just fine given the proper grid

[verbal karma]

...wait, Masked Royale and Sidney together?

I guess I should just...drop Nessa then?

[toxic cobalt]

Any combination of 2

[verbal karma]

well, I am currently using Sidney/Nessa/SS Blue and not only does that team ALSO get their shit kicked in by R4 Malva, but they also cause move gauge problems

[swift swan]

probably because malva is fully special and r4 boosts special attacks

malva also has strong 3 bar moves

either deny it with sleep/flinch or you reset until she only spams hex and TMs until you can take her down

[left storm]

Average johto hp pool is 17-21k hp

Average Kalos hp pool is 24-27k

Plus Kalos has a lot of sync multipliers, entries and some zones

It's still very manageable tho

If you have invested freebies

[left storm]

Or you kill him before he gets actually scary

[verbal karma]

...okay, actually tried post-sync this time, and

yeah no, neither Nessa nor Sidney are able to survive Malva's sync

[undone ether]

what's your params?

[verbal karma]

on-type post-sync

I don't even see anything that could cause that to happen tbh

[keen jasper]

Max HP instead of Power on Hit

[verbal karma]

that's what I have already

[keen jasper]

And also Max HP instead of Atk./Sp. Atk. Up

[verbal karma]

the only Atk/Sp Atk Up that I have on is the very first one

and only because I can't find anything to replace it with

[keen jasper]

Replace your max HP

[verbal karma]

?

but you just told me to have Max HP on

[keen jasper]

[verbal karma]

right there

[keen jasper]

What I mean is, why do you have the max HP parameter instead of Power on Hit?

[verbal karma]

oh

because Malva already hits extremely hard as is

I don't need her to hit even harder

[keen jasper]

What's your team again?

[verbal karma]

Sidney/Nessa/SS Blue

Was able to figure out how to get around the MG problem

[keen jasper]

I don't have SS Blue

Also, what round is this?

[verbal karma]

R4

[keen jasper]

In other words, you doomed yourself

And also physical damage dealers instead of special too

[verbal karma]

I was originally gonna use Karen for this

But that didn't work either

Support would die within 3 attacks at the latest

[keen jasper]

Karen can help mitigate Malva's damage

With Snarl + Satisfied Snarl

[undone ether]

Dont run Defense parameters.

Unless you're gonna be running a Poison Stall Team

Your team doesnt run any Weather, Zone or Terrain right?

[keen jasper]

They've already said their team

[undone ether]

then free points, drop Gradual Healing or something

[verbal karma]

actually, my Karen team DOES run zone

my originally planned team was BP Janine/Karen/Egg Umbreon

[mellow linden]

If they drop Gradual Healing then they’d need to make sure their team can deal with Acute Senses, fyi

Anyway, at this point I think the least stressful option here is to just do Malva on Hard Mode or a lower point value, reset, and do another run where you place her on a round other than 4

Probably just slap the Wikstrom fight on Round 4 or something

[keen jasper]

How many fucking times did Victor's max move not crit on fucking Wikstrom

[keen jasper]

Fucking finally, got 4k pts. on Wikstrom thanks to Anni Lillie

[toxic cobalt]

@swift swan is the pin meant to say drasna and Malva?

[swift swan]

My consideration is that Drasna and Siebold have higher offensive stats than normal

Though Siebold only has 1 special move

Tbf drasna, siebold, malva all have special moves. Wikstrom is your safest bet R4 lol

[undone ether]

o right, but they've got Sidney on their team.

[mellow linden]

True, it's just something to keep in mind

[silver dirge]

This is the big problem

[undone ether]

I think they really should just clear her at 0 points, and just reset for a better Round Parameters (like R1 or something against Malva)

That R4 Param does not benefit their team at all.

(Unless they can do Karen + acute senses 4)

[mellow linden]

Well Gradual Healing would disable it

But I do agree that resetting and trying Malva on a different round is probably the best (or at least the least stressful) option rn

[verbal karma]

there are no better round parameters for me, sadly

since all the other round parameters are already occupied

so even if I were to just reset it, I would still end up with R4 Malva anyway

[undone ether]

you could always look at people's Round Parameters and see what they're running

[verbal karma]

where did they post them?

[undone ether]

check #1010274591601598555

[mellow linden]

Are they actually required to be the way they are, or are you just trying to force them again?

Half-Sync is the only round parameter that has a universal impact, and Round 4’s impact is only in terms of who to avoid that round

Faster gauge and Sync buff enhancement are far less impactful, and you likely don’t need to care about them at all

I’d be very surprised if you couldn’t afford to run Malva on Round 1 or 3, especially if you were previously doing Wikstrom on one of those rounds

[verbal karma]

I did Wikstrom on R1 since my best Ghost attackers cost a lot of MG

and the R1 gimmick would mitigate that

R2 is locked to Siebold because of Ash

[grand trout]

I used my battle rally points to ex ss piers

For Siebold

[verbal karma]

Oh

[grand trout]

I am not disappointed

Fuck yeah ss piers

[verbal karma]

Ash is my go-to for Electric-weak halfsync CS stages

[grand trout]

I have sstred

[verbal karma]

I don't

[grand trout]

I just wanna mix it up sometimes, y'know

[verbal karma]

Fair

[mellow linden]

Just Malva round 1 and Wikstrom round 4, heavy gauge usage can be mitigated with proper Supports

[verbal karma]

Hmmmmmmmmmm...what would be proper support for SC Irida and SSR Cynthia then?

[mellow linden]

Crit + gauge Support

[grand trout]

+1 for cynthia for wikstrom

[mellow linden]

Only +1 crit is required if need be

[grand trout]

In my experience, phantom force allows ssrc to dodge the sides once wikstrom goes dowm

[mellow linden]

It’s also worth noting that SC Irida is a lot less gauge intensive than she seems at a glance

Especially if she’s using Dire Hit+ once

[verbal karma]

hrrrmmm...now I feel stupid for having picked R1 Wikstrom...but at the same time, I really do not want to reset either

[mellow linden]

Maybe you can off-type or Poison stall, idk

Or just run a lower point value

Dropping down to 2k is basically zero change in final rewards

[verbal karma]

hmm...well, I do not need the full 15k, only enough points to get all the , sooooooo...maybe I can drop, like, 500 points somehow

[manic mica]

Hey I was wondering if I could have assistance with the dark and psychic champion stadium? It's geniuenly just with what units to use

[steel kelp]

Why bother getting tickets if you are t using them

[manic mica]

What do you mean

[mellow linden]

They’re talking to someone else

[mellow linden]

I assume this is Hard Mode?

[manic mica]

OH SORRY.

[manic mica]

Yes hard mode level 1 so it's not even like it should be difficult 😭

[mellow linden]

So Drasna you can just run a team built around Giovanni. Could you show me your Dark type Sync Pairs (ideally via screenshots from the Move Level menu)?

[manic mica]

Of course!

I tried building a team around giovani and it didn't go well

[mellow linden]

What team did you use?

[manic mica]

It's so naked

[manic mica]

Ignore the items btq

[mellow linden]

Akari is basically a free win against Hard Mode Malva with any well-built team

[manic mica]

I tried with

[mellow linden]

Are you triple queueing?

[manic mica]

Grimsley and incin

[mellow linden]

Ah

[manic mica]

Yes

....was that wrong?

[mellow linden]

Well that Akari team had no Support

You should be triple queueing though, so good on that

[manic mica]

Yes! I remembered that

[mellow linden]

Anyway, try Akari + Skyla + 3rd teammate

[manic mica]

What do you suggest?

Ohhh

Does the 3rd matter?

[mellow linden]

You don’t need to run a monotype team

[mellow linden]

Ideally run someone to help type medal progress

[manic mica]

I used incin for like the speed boost

[steel kelp]

Shouldn’t be running monotype period if you still got medal

[manic mica]

Correct but I'm NAKED

Pike in terms of dark types

[manic mica]

So anything?

I was thinking gimsley for like his boosts + flinch?

Wait why skyler?

[mellow linden]

Grimsley won’t help the team much and wouldn’t fill out type medal

[steel kelp]

Have you read the teambuilding guide

[mellow linden]

Skyla’s a good tank and helps with move gauge upkeep

[manic mica]

Yes I remember it roughly

I'll experiment a bit that'll be on me to do I just need an outline, can I ask for psychic too?

[mellow linden]

As for the Giovanni team, did you make sure to:

1. Use Giovanni’s Trainer Move twice?
2. Use Sabrina’s Trainer Move twice targeting Giovanni?

[manic mica]

Yes and yes

I end up like Poison smacked or don't even like end up knocking down the first mon

[mellow linden]

Restart the fight if you get Poisoned

[manic mica]

Oh damn so keep up the one I was using ?

[mellow linden]

Additional question: do you have Bianca?

[cinder summit]

Bianca & Musharna

Acquisition:

General Pool
Ticket Scout
Ticket Scout (Unova)

Alternates:

None

[mellow linden]

Just in case a picture is needed

[manic mica]

What pokemon does she have

[mellow linden]

Musharna, as indicated in the above bot command

[manic mica]

Perfect

Sorry my discord lagged I didn't see it!

[mellow linden]

It happens

[manic mica]

Yes!

I have her

[mellow linden]

Then try a team of Bianca, Giovanni, and MC + Torchic, and tank with Bianca

[manic mica]

Oh sweet?

Should I star up MC

[mellow linden]

They won’t be tanking, so base potential is fine for now. Just level 120

[manic mica]

OKIE

Thank you so much*

!

[mellow linden]

For the upcoming Champion fight I want you to really focus on a few things:

1. Putting together a team on your own using the Teambuilding 101 guidelines.
2. Making sure to run a multi-type team (the type of the Sync Moves) to help fill out type medal.

Even if you don’t have much in the way of Ground Sync Pairs, depending on your full roster you can likely run a damage-dealer that doesn’t hit super-effective damage

[manic mica]

Ohhh

I will!

That's perfect thank you so much.

I'll take note of it

Noted!

[verbal karma]

ugh

now I am struggling with Diantha

all of her attacks deal entirely too much damage

each and every single last one of her attacks AT LEAST removes half of my support's health bar

Who to even pick at this point?

[zinc island]

Do you have courtney?

[lean lion]

Replace Kiawe with Sonia. This team shouldn't have any problems honestly. But you might be taking too much damage because of Ramming Speed on Diantha. You can try bringing Tina/Flareon or Courtney to debuff speed.

[zinc island]

Also always use the pin to boost your support's hp since the other units aren't supposed to be hit.

[lean lion]

Most of their moves are physical so Sonia will take them well. Only move that's super effective against her is Left's Bulldoze.

[verbal karma]

...shit, Sonia will make quadqueing literally impossible due to her passive...

[formal vigil]

Could try nc rosa instead of kiawe

[verbal karma]

wouldn't she die even faster?

[lean lion]

Or Leaf too, with Adr gridded so no quad queue required

Rosa can take hits like a champ no pun intended

[formal vigil]

She shouldn't since she bulky as hell plus can sleep

[verbal karma]

...err...there is one problem with that

Cynthia is syncing

[zinc island]

I don't think you should use cynthia

Because you need to set sandstorm for her to do good damage

[verbal karma]

Bertha is setting the sandstorm

[zinc island]

And that makes the left side kind of useless sibce bertha does not do much damage

I think cynthia and courtney is a better combo for quick fights

May i see your parameters?

[verbal karma]

Bertha also does Sand Tomb and Stealth Rock, actually

[zinc island]

Those are good for stalling

Something you don't wanna do in CS

Unless its poison stall

[verbal karma]

Actually, Stealth Rock does a shitload of damage

[shell orchid]

I'm having problems with Siebold

[full mesa]

What else do you have for elec type?

[shell orchid]

Not much at all

[zinc island]

Give defense and special def 1 and interference immunity, then take out attack and special attack 3

[formal vigil]

do you happen to have any 4 star strike candies ?

[shell orchid]

I don't think so

[full mesa]

Hau can do it.

Check for candies and use another support instead of Maylene. One that buffs spa/crit.

Aaron is a nice choice for tank.

Volkner is more of a support/debuffer rather than a striker/burst unit.

You can also try with Clement and stall with heal if possible.

[shell orchid]

The only support I see for that is Sabrina, but I'm going for type medal as well

[verbal karma]

...Diantha still does too much damage, sadly...

[full mesa]

Yep. That should be your target

[full mesa]

How many fights have you completed till now? Which type are you still missing?

Have you figured out already your other teams?

[shell orchid]

This is round 4, and yes

[full mesa]

Ok. Which types are you still missing?

[nocturne pawn]

[full mesa]

You can always try to raise Hau's and Clement's levels to 120 and try to clear with them.

Actually Clement won't work.

Do you make sure to paralyze mid before hitting with sync?

[shell orchid]

Fire, steel, and one other that I can't remember

[full mesa]

How do you cover fire?

[shell orchid]

No I have steel what am I saying

[full mesa]

Or is it for next week?

[shell orchid]

I'm missing three types any way, so I'm missing fire rn

[full mesa]

You can't get all 18 types in first week. That's why we need 2 weeks.

Anyway. Do you know about npc's passives?

[verbal karma]

...okay, no, this isn't working out either, sadly...

[shell orchid]

No

[verbal karma]

Certainly doesn't help that my Ground-type options are...extremely limited...

[nocturne pawn]

uh

do you have someone besides kiawe

[steel kelp]

Cynthia

[nocturne pawn]

cuz he cant take hits well

[full mesa]

Go to pins, go to poma tools link. Select the region and then the battle. On skills you'll see all the passives the npcs have and what they do. For example, in this specific battle the enemy needs to suffer status condition (burn, sleep, freeze, paralyzed, poison, badly poison) in order for you to deal damage. Otherwise they cut off a huge percentage. Maybe that's the reason you can't win. If the enemy isn't paralyzed, Volkner won't do much damage with sync nor moves.

[steel kelp]

[formal vigil]

try sonia or nc rosa instead of kiawe

[steel kelp]

didn’t someone already this

[shell orchid]

Oh yea I knew about that. Should I hold off on sync until para?

[full mesa]

No. You should aim to para as fast as possible. Since you don't use a support ex, your on type striker will always sync. So you need to paralyze as fast as turn 3 and always sync with elec striker. Also you need to maximize their boosts (+3 crit and +6 att or spa or as high as you can) before first sync.

[full mesa]

If you quadqueue, Volkner should sync twice while mid is paralyzed and have +3 crit and +4/6 att in best case scenarios.

[full mesa]

Have you tried Hilbert? He can max out Cynthia by round 2. Also has flinch and endure.

[shell orchid]

I probably shouldn't have used two of my four EXs on the same team

[full mesa]

No time to dread the past. That's why you do CS. To ex as many units as possible.

[verbal karma]

Wait, wouldn't he die even faster than Kiawe?

[full mesa]

Why?

[formal vigil]

not if you flinch

[steel kelp]

Kiawe is slower than hilbert anyway

[full mesa]

If you aim for good rng, he won't receive a single attack for 3 turns + flinch.

[verbal karma]

Less HP and less defense

[steel kelp]

You probably had to waste turns with Cynthia buffing herself

[verbal karma]

Something I can't really rely on due to how rarely it happens...

[verbal karma]

I aim for something more consistent

[nocturne pawn]

40% flinch isnt that bad

[formal vigil]

he does have endure too if things go pear shaped

[verbal karma]

...yeah, true...

[steel kelp]

[verbal karma]

I mean, with the original settings, Stomp and Thunder Fang removed 50% of Kiawe's HP...hell, Stomp still does that

Not sure if Endure will help much

[mellow linden]

It’s probably best to just replace Kiawe with Sonia

[steel kelp]

They’re gonna bring up how bad sonia is

[nocturne pawn]

kiawe has paper defense

[cinder summit]

Kiawe & Marowak

‎ Type: ‎　‎　Weak:

Level 140 Stats:

HP: 603
ATK: 273 | DEF: 273
SPA: 185 | SPD: 229
SPE: 227

Acquisition:

General Pool
Ticket Scout
Ticket Scout (Alola)

Alternates:

Kiawe & Arcanine

Sync Grid Recommendations:

Potion Minimal (2/5)
‎　+ Critical Healing (3/5)
‎　+ Unfortuitous / MGR (3/5)

Lucky Skill: Trainer Cookie, Vigilance, Healthy Healing, Adrenaline 1

[verbal karma]

Sadly, Sonia makes quadqueing impossible...

[keen jasper]

Have you tried to turn deny the left side with Cynthia?

[steel kelp]

Kiawe lyra tier defenses

[nocturne pawn]

273 is bad

[full mesa]

Anyway, you can try to para mid and buff Volkner with Maylene and Aaron. Reset until you can get para in the first 3 turns and at least +3 crit and +4/6 att before first sync. Mac out att by round 4, raise your defenses with Aaron, lower their defense with rock smash and sync a second type with Volkner before they sync (quadqueue). Make sure you need to apply elec terrain some time on rounds 2 or 3 and rounds 5 or 6.

[verbal karma]

wdym

[mellow linden]

If you’re worried about quadqueue then reset for X Speed All as 3rd opponent action

[cinder summit]

Hilbert & Samurott

‎ Type: ‎　‎　Weak:

Level 140 Stats:

HP: 690
ATK: 257 | DEF: 238
SPA: 170 | SPD: 238
SPE: 288

Acquisition:

General Pool
Ticket Scout
Ticket Scout (Unova)

Alternates:

Sygna Suit Hilbert & Genesect
Hilbert (Fall 2020) & Mightyena

Sync Grid Recommendations:

Support Minimal (3/5)
‎　+ Full Tank
‎　+ Waterfall Aggravation / Shielded Squad
‎　+ Waterfall Aggravation / Vigilance
‎　+ Aqua Tail Defense Crush

Lucky Skill: Healthy Healing, Wise Entry 2, Defense Crush 2, Vigilance
(if not picked on grid)

[mellow linden]

Kiawe ruins quadqueue anyway

[keen jasper]

It's exaclty what I mean

[nocturne pawn]

ok it is actually slightly worse

[mellow linden]

So you’re not losing out by running Sonia over Kiawe

[nocturne pawn]

but he has team huddle

[keen jasper]

Kill the left side with Cynthia's sync

And gain an extra turn

[nocturne pawn]

so if he gets into endure range he buffs defense

[steel kelp]

Kiawe also can’t buff the team for his life

[verbal karma]

He actually does not, funnily enough

[nocturne pawn]

yeah she has inertia right

[formal vigil]

no

[nocturne pawn]

so kiawe buffing that is rng

[verbal karma]

and I feel like that's because of the sandstorm

[nocturne pawn]

she doesnt?

[formal vigil]

ramming speed

[nocturne pawn]

was it ramming speed

[full mesa]

He can if you get 4 mpr and spend 6 turns.

[steel kelp]

[mellow linden]

I guess the animations work out to make Quick Tempo run out at a better time

[steel kelp]

4 mpr

[nocturne pawn]

sandstorm would also ruin quad if you dont reapply it

[verbal karma]

I actually do reapply

[nocturne pawn]

well

[mellow linden]

Regardless, you can just reset for X Speed All as the 3rd opponent action when running Sonia

[nocturne pawn]

if you’re that stuck

[keen jasper]

Try to turn deny with Cynthia

[nocturne pawn]

aaron

[mellow linden]

And then you can quadqueue just fine

[nocturne pawn]

50% flinch with 1 bar defense buffs

[full mesa]

Kiawe does a little bit of everything. Just too little.

[verbal karma]

I...already used Aaron...

[nocturne pawn]

other supports then?

[mellow linden]

Alternatively if you have any Adrenaline Lucky Cookies you can give 1 to Sonia

And then you won’t even need to quadqueue

[verbal karma]

Here are the ones that buff Atk

Since that's what Cynthia needs

[nocturne pawn]

ss acerola

just remember to put sand back when she syncs

also would help with dps a lot

[mellow linden]

Does SS Acerola even set Sun on Sync?

[nocturne pawn]

nope

[steel kelp]

No

[verbal karma]

Oh, I already do that, dw

[nocturne pawn]

i mean cynthia

[steel kelp]

Only terrain

[mellow linden]

Ah

[formal vigil]

just grassy terrian 3/5 only though

[nocturne pawn]

well we dont need it

its for fast buffing

cuz she can do +3 crit with tm and +4 attack before first sync via b move

setting sun actually isnt even needed

[mellow linden]

1 X Attack from Cynthia means maxed Haymaker if Cynthia’s Syncing 1st

[keen jasper]

Well, I don't think anything will wear off when Cynthia syncs, so no point in turn denying

[nocturne pawn]

yeah setting sun would actually be more annoying

so just ignore it

[verbal karma]

Okay, Bulurola, got it, will try that

[shell orchid]

I switched to this team for reasons unknown to mankind and it went well

It felt like more skill issue on my part

[full mesa]

This team is similar to the previous you were using. Since it worked, all's well.

Onto the champion now

[shell orchid]

I meant to include the "I lost but it went better" part but I forgot
I forgot to set up electric terrain after the first ran out

[full mesa]

...

Try again.

[verbal karma]

Welp, Bulurola lives for longer, but still not long enough

[mellow linden]

If you have BP Sophocles you may be better off running him instead of Volkner and using the 3rd slot to set a status (to negate Healthy Advantage)

So something like Aaron + BP Sophocles + Flannery or other status inflictor

[mellow linden]

Idk if you beat Malva on 3k or not, but if you lowered the points so you can 3k her on a different round in another run you can just beat Diantha on Hard Mode since you have to 3k her on the 2nd run anyway

[lean lion]

This is what I originally recommended..but they need the quad queue which Sonia disrupts

[mellow linden]

Can just reset so the opponent uses X Speed All as the 3rd action if using Sonia

Or if an Adrenaline Lucky Cookie is available that can just be put on Sonia to eliminate the need for quadqueue entirely

[lean lion]

Yeah even gridding Leaf for Adr could work but they're syncing with Cynthia first

[mellow linden]

Heck, don’t even have to reset for Sonia’s MP Refresh on a Cynthia + Bertha + Sonia team if they’re willing to use X Attack once on Cynthia

[lean lion]

I think Cynthia's damage should be enough even without supp EX to presync right?

It's only 30k hp with max str

[mellow linden]

Even if pre-Sync isn’t doable Sonia should provide more than enough survivability to run post-Sync parameters

So quadqueue may not even be necessary when using Sonia in this case

Heck, if Cynthia’s Sync can KO one of the sides (on 1st Sync) then you can just do a turn denial on the left by smacking them with Cynthia’s Sync Move and not have to quadqueue anyway

Alternatively a Tackle Staggering grid can be run on Sonia and turn denial can be performed via that to eliminate the need for quadqueue

There’s a myriad of ways to go about this

[keen jasper]

They don't want the RNG way\

[mellow linden]

Well at this point it seems like some level of RNG is gonna be required regardless

Given that the complaint is too much damage from opponents

And there doesn’t seem to be any desire to adjust parameters

Heck, Ground weak Diantha is kinda RNG anyway since she can just decide to double Head Smash on any given attempt

[keen jasper]

So true

[lean lion]

Don't think Cynthia can OHKO side on first sync. Will do about 9-11k damage. But can be denied if chipped a little before sync.

[shell orchid]

Aaron keeps dying, and when he doesn't, torchic dies to surf + sync

[full mesa]

Can't you beat mid before they sync?

[shell orchid]

Not in my wildest dreams. Maybe if wild charge didn't have recoil

[full mesa]

Do you have a unit that apply badly poison? And one that can lower att and spa?

Maybe stall is the way.

[silver dirge]

1/5 Volkner as your damage dealer? Do you not have a better option?

[full mesa]

They have Hau 4*

[swift swan]

Yeah 1/5 Volkner's not good for damage

[full mesa]

Togedemaru 4*

[swift swan]

Candy Hau to 3/5, use a nuke grid

BP sophocles is another good one

[full mesa]

They don't have

Candies

[swift swan]

OG Soph is a bit hard to use, the innate nuke multiplier is shit

[full mesa]

They have Clemont too

Maybe something along the lines of Aaron/Clemont/status condition and aim for stall?

[swift swan]

What move level is clemont

[shell orchid]

1/5

[swift swan]

Ehhh

Just as bad

I'd offtype personally. Just make sure you status Siebold, iirc it's one of his gimmicks

[shell orchid]

I was about to ask if off type is possible

Cool

[keen jasper]

The fight is clearly tuned for SST Red

[full mesa]

As long as you status them, then yes.

[shell orchid]

I used Geeta and that went quickly

[mellow linden]

I think Sonia is also accounted for in his gimmicks.

• Healthy Advantage (Sonia’s Spark HE1 tile).
• Tough Cookie and Stoic 9 passives (Sonia’s Defense Crush 9).
• Slow-Mo 9 (Sonia’s Team Swift Reaction).

[keen jasper]

Well, 2/3 of them Red can counter, but Team Swift Reaction I can definitely understand

[shell orchid]

Diantha went much better

[nocturne pawn]

i love limited units

[keen jasper]

Now do higher points

[nocturne pawn]

no

1/5 oleana and geeta cant do more than 3k

[full mesa]

How many medals?

[shell orchid]

15

[full mesa]

Nice. 3 more next week.

[verbal karma]

I sadly did not beat Malva on 3k

That means Diantha has to be beaten on 3k

[mellow linden]

Are you gonna reset and do a 2nd run later?

[verbal karma]

...not really

14.5k is enough for me, but it should not get any lower than that

[mellow linden]

In that case, a few ways you could work around Sonia’s quadqueue issues:

• If Sonia is Syncing, an available Adrenaline Lucky Cookie would be good.
• Regardless of whether or not Sonia is Syncing you can just reset until the opponent uses X Speed All as their 3rd action.
• You can grid Sonia with Tackle Staggering and use turn denial to negate the need for quadqueue.
• You could straight up just switch to post-Sync parameters and not have to worry about quadqueue at all since Sonia + Bertha will provide a ton of physical bulk to the team.

[verbal karma]

...I might have to try and go with post-sync then...

[mellow linden]

I mean, it’s not really that hard to do the RNG options, especially since using Cynthia’s X Attack once means you don’t need to rely on any other RNG since Sonia + Bertha will max crit and Defense with no MP Refreshes

Well, no other RNG except Ground weak Diantha’s innate “hope for no Head Smash spam”

[verbal karma]

nope

post-syncing did NOT work

of course it wouldn't work

it never works for me

[verbal karma]

sadly, that's exactly what she loves to spam

problem with post-syncing is...mainly the fact that Cynthia does little to no damage

even when she's fully buffed

Cynthia only does damage worth a damn when it's presync, but presync has the problem of supports dying way too damn quickly

so no matter what I choose, I always lose

[lunar meadow]

Post sync is always the easiest method imo

I've always done it post sync||, since I stopped having to toxic stall lol||

[nocturne pawn]

how

[verbal karma]

I don't know how, she just...does

she is fully buffed

AND has sandstorm on her side

and it critted

and yet

doesn't even remove 1/4 of Diantha's HP bar

[nocturne pawn]

this sounds like you turned on physical damage reduction 8

[verbal karma]

I did not, though

that's the thing

[nocturne pawn]

then i dont know what you did

[verbal karma]

I don't know either

[nocturne pawn]

did you take defense?

[verbal karma]

I mean, I took post-sync

[mellow linden]

“Post-Sync is impossible”

[nocturne pawn]

did you take defense

[mellow linden]

Pieces of RNG in my favor:

• 1 Potion MP Refresh (possibly unnecessary).
• Not many Head Smashes.

[nocturne pawn]

because thats really the only explanation

[verbal karma]

I mean, if Post-Sync takes defense, then I took defense as well

[mellow linden]

Grabbing grids and parameters. My Cynthia is EX, so I Synced with Sonia then Bertha

[nocturne pawn]

dont

[nocturne pawn]

yeah dont

[mellow linden]

That’s way too much Defense

[nocturne pawn]

take defense

for post sync

yeah that was absolutely why

[mellow linden]

You grabbed all the defense up ones, no wonder you have a hard time

[verbal karma]

...which defense ups should I replace with what?

[mellow linden]

Anyway, grabbing grids and parameters for what I ran

[nocturne pawn]

hp

[mellow linden]

Grids (my Cynthia didn’t Sync due to aforementioned reasons, so it’ll be even easier for you):

Grabbing parameters now, gimme a sec

[verbal karma]

...wait, I already have HP on?

[sharp willow]

Remove defense up 5 for attack up 5, HP for power on hit 2, defense up 3 for power on hit 1, defense up 1 for attack up 1

If she's hitting hard enough that you're getting one shot anyway then you won't mind if she hits harder

And with that she will be significantly easier to kill

[mellow linden]

Round Parameter: Sync Buff Enhancement

Point parameters:

• Physical Damage Reduction (50 points).
• Special Damage Reduction (50 points).
• Attack and Sp. Atk. ^ 1 (50 points).
• Strength ^ 1 (100 points).
• Sync Buff ^ 5 (100 points).
• Max HP ^ 2 (100 points).
• Ally Healing Down 5 (100 points).
• Special Damage Reduction 8 (100 points).
• Gradual Healing at Start (150 points).
• Strength ^ 2 (200 points).
• Max HP ^ 4 (200 points).
• Strength ^ 3 (300 points).
• Ally Move Gauge Max -2 (300 points).
• Max HP ^ 6 (300 points).
• Standard Damage Reduction 8 (300 points).
• Strength ^ 6 (600 points).

[nocturne pawn]

im really confused since sonia shouldnt really be having trouble tanking

[mellow linden]

I used X Attack once on Cynthia to negate the need for Sonia to get an MP Refresh

Also my Bertha failed to crit her 1st Sync, so that combined with the fact that I did Sonia -> Bertha for Syncs due to my Cynthia being EX means it should be even easier for you

You may need to slightly adjust Cynthia’s grid since I think I increased her energy cap, btw

Or really just run a regular grid since you’re actually Syncing with her in your clear

Anyway, the biggest issue was for sure the fact that you basically doubled the opponents’ base Defense with the parameters you were using

Outside of maybe the 50-point one, never grab Defense and Sp. Def. ^ parameters unless you’re Poison stalling

I’m 90+% sure we discussed this before

[rotund lagoon]

Can confirm

[verbal karma]

...this is still not working out

Sonia takes too much damage while Cynthia doesn't deal enough damage

[mellow linden]

Did you use the exact parameters I laid out?

As in, the exact ones, no changes?

[verbal karma]

Yes

[mellow linden]

And what’s your Cynthia’s grid?

[verbal karma]

This

and yet, her sync still hits like a wet towel

[rich needle]

Why are the right things not use

[rich needle]

I’m staring at unused powerboost grid

[nocturne pawn]

bro why is this bot giving did not respond

[mellow linden]

So you ignored the grid I showed earlier

[rich needle]

I’m sorry what taiyo

[mellow linden]

And are using a quite frankly not very good grid

[nocturne pawn]

also yes why are you not using sde5

[rich needle]

Always use powerboost tile

Just do

[nocturne pawn]

porybot isnt working

i was trying to check what she has

[mellow linden]

No wonder your Cynthia has damage issues, you’ve ignored most of her damage tiles in favor of niche or worthless tiles

[rich needle]

Is that haymaker on the right

[mellow linden]

If you actually grid Cynthia right Earthquake’s damage is pretty solid

[mellow linden]

Haymaker and Sand Blaster are gridded on their grid, but all of the regular move modifiers are absent

[verbal karma]

My apologies, I simply didn't see it...

...okay, now I checked and...

[rich needle]

No surging sand

Crying

[mellow linden]

Even if I hadn’t you should have recognized the flaws with your grid

[nocturne pawn]

if you expanded her energy cap you could get ramming speed too

or maybe surging sand 2 isnt worth

[verbal karma]

...I don't see any flaws?

[rich needle]

Sharp entry not useful

[rich needle]

Not getting powerboost tile bro

[mellow linden]

You didn’t take a single damage tile outside of Sync tiles

[rich needle]

The only one that you can ignore is fierce entry

[verbal karma]

What powerboost tile?

[rich needle]

I

Wut

[mellow linden]

And you wonder why her damage is bad outside of her Sync

[nocturne pawn]

how is it not

[verbal karma]

Well, yeah, because I am trying to sync nuke

[rich needle]

Cuz you need sandstorm anyway

Press the tm button

Bam

[nocturne pawn]

attack buff where

[rich needle]

X attack

[mellow linden]

That doesn’t mean you ignore Earthquake’s damage entirely

[nocturne pawn]

well yeah you probably could drop it

[rich needle]

[mellow linden]

In what world is Sand Screen doing more for you than Superduper Effective 5?!

[verbal karma]

No, you misunderstood: her sync damage is ALSO bad

[nocturne pawn]

thats just not true

[verbal karma]

That one, I missed, ngl

[nocturne pawn]

whole reason why she got haymaker and sand blaster is to make her sync not hot garbage

[mellow linden]

You missed literally every damage modifier except her Sync tiles

[verbal karma]

How is it not true if it literally happened to me?

[mellow linden]

Literally all of them

[rich needle]

Because

You used it wrong

[nocturne pawn]

because your parameters are bad

[verbal karma]

But I used Cobalt's parameters?

[rich needle]

As someone who has maxie and Giovanni

But chooses to use Cynthia

I can tell you you’re doing it wrong

[mellow linden]

I think in this case it’s overinflated expectations if you think Cynthia’s Sync is bad

[verbal karma]

...man, I am tired

I should prolly go to sleep and try again tomorrow with a fresh head

Good night

[rich needle]

No cap I wanna tell everyone globally just take the damn power boost grids

All of them

Even if they’re a lil meh just take em

[verbal karma]

Okay, hold on, before I truly go to sleep

Is this a good sync nuke grid?

Or can I change even more?

[rich needle]

Plonk

Let’s see

You can still change some stuff

[nocturne pawn]

get ramming speed

[mellow linden]

I think my Cynthia has energy cap increase, but Fierce Entry is eating like half of that

[steel kelp]

Hold on

Lemme copy and see

I haven’t uncapped my Cynthia yet

[rich needle]

Me neither

Haven’t touched it in so long

[nocturne pawn]

sand shelter isnt useful

[rich needle]

I should prolly ditch the soothing sand but meh

It works so I don’t change it

[steel kelp]

Ye cobalt

You did extra energy

[mellow linden]

Yeah, I mentioned that at some point in my initial overview of that clear

But good to be certain

[steel kelp]

Probably shouldn’t use the extension but it’s funny and it works

[rich needle]

Mmm sand alert is juicy

But 10 energy is not

And also do I really wanna candy for it

[mellow linden]

Tbf I didn’t even Sync with my Cynthia because she’s EX, so the grid I used was doable without Sync BP/modifier tiles (and probably even with if some adjustments were made)

[rich needle]

Their Cynthia isn’t ex?

That’s

[steel kelp]

Oh I meant sand alert

[rich needle]

Ew

[steel kelp]

Nope

[mellow linden]

Didn’t think I had Sand Alert on there

Lemme re-check

[steel kelp]

You don’t

I meant I probably shouldn’t run it but it’s funny

[mellow linden]

Ah

[rich needle]

I want a ground unit with sand alert

Why don’t they exist

At base kit or 3/5

[mellow linden]

Doesn’t V. Giovanni do that?

[rich needle]

Well

Variety is also cringe

[steel kelp]

It’s rare to have anyone with extended wtz

[rich needle]

I don’t feel it’s that rare anymore

Most has it now

[steel kelp]

True

[rich needle]

But for some reason sandstorm is like rock only screw ground

[steel kelp]

looks at dahlia with 2

[rich needle]

Extendo burrito

[mellow linden]

Tbf Ground does have Bertha

[rich needle]

I want Extendo tho

[mellow linden]

Who’s close enough to extension in most content

[rich needle]

But Extendo is just comfy

like she looks here

Ah yes Bertha alt

With rhyperior

That uses earthquake and not rock blast

[mellow linden]

Maybe Bertha will get Sand Alert in 2 years when she’s given a Power Boost

[rich needle]

Pog champ

[calm marsh]

[rich needle]

I would be so hype for that

Hello pykuo

[calm marsh]

Hello

[mellow linden]

Anyway, I’ll probably end up having to do 2 CS runs next week because SC Selene arrives on the last day of Steel weak Diantha

[verbal karma]

Finally, Ramming Speed

[nocturne pawn]

you still dont need sand shelter

[verbal karma]

I just had to...unlock cap 🥲

[rich needle]

Shush sand shelter is comfy

[nocturne pawn]

i dont know why you’re so insistent on taking it

[rich needle]

Why do you hate surging sand tho

You keep swerving away from it

[steel kelp]

just run nc silver

[verbal karma]

I don't have NC Silver

[rich needle]

Death

[nocturne pawn]

why is that an issue

[verbal karma]

Not on purpose, I swear

[nocturne pawn]

bertha has sandstorm as a move

oh wait

ok wrong thing

[verbal karma]

I was responding to Huey

[rich needle]

Btw is surging sand move or sync move both

[nocturne pawn]

yeah its a joke

but like

as a whole

[nocturne pawn]

move

[verbal karma]

Oh

[nocturne pawn]

anyway

you dont need sand shelter

sand chip is pretty inconsequential

[rich needle]

Let me take it

Oh wait yall@pre sync nevermind

Let it chip

[verbal karma]

Anyway, now I really really REALLY need to sleep, for realsies this time, I have work tomorrow 🥹

[rich needle]

Ok since when was wulfric such a bastard

He almost oneshot fantina with just brutal swing

[mellow linden]

You mean Wikstrom?

[rich needle]

Fuck

Yes wikki

Mmm I know my params are borked but still

That’s intense

[mellow linden]

Blade Forme has like 40-50% boosted offenses compared to the baseline

So that probably explains why he hits so hard

[rich needle]

Hrm

Guess I’ll need to debuff attack this time

One Uber broken support coming right up

Is there one that’s not just ncblue

The filter isn’t good with passives

[crystal notch]

well...there's always dawn

[mellow linden]

I personally ended up running NY Clair + SC Irida + SSR Cynthia, depending on how much damage your team throws out you may not need as much bulk from the Support

[crystal notch]

have you considered sleep or flinch stall kirb

[rich needle]

Ssrc is my only limited ghost

I could

I just prefer not to

It’s like cheating

[steel kelp]

When the game cheats you cheat back

[rich needle]

Also I just noticed the whopping 135 defense on fantina

Yeah I can’t use her here lol

[crystal notch]

well, only so many broken tier supports around

[steel kelp]

It’s why they gave us apple cup in rally

[rich needle]

I could use ncblue here it wouldn’t hurt me that much

I just reserve that for panic

Fantina noooooo

Made of literal paper rip

[undone ether]

that presync?

[rich needle]

Today i learned he uses kings shield wow

That’s cool

[rich needle]

Kinda sorta not really

It’s technically post sync but it’s a lot stronger than most

Cuz I don’t optimize

Too lazy

[undone ether]

he buffs himself a bit. 😭

[rich needle]

For reference I have power on hit

Which is bad

But I’m lazy

[undone ether]

lulz.

i did use Giratina

but with SS Korinna to kill any stat ups he has.

So SS Blue is the tank, and he was living with 1 HP .-.;

[rich needle]

My best ghost damage other than ssrc is

I guess alister?

Idk

[mellow linden]

Could try Shauntal if you’re Syncing with Cynthia

[undone ether]

Giratina did like 100k damage without GZ, 25k/50k on the sides.

[rich needle]

I try sslead first

[rich needle]

Wat the heck

How much defensive params do I have lmfao

Well I have defense up 3

And 1

[old orchid]

[rich needle]

Listen gakon

[undone ether]

yikes .-.

[rich needle]

I’ve used this preset for literally years

I’m lazy

[mellow linden]

Don’t make me have this discussion with you now

[rich needle]

Listen if I can clear it like this it makes it ok

[old orchid]

[rich needle]

I’m having a good time

[old orchid]

i'm speechless

[mellow linden]

If it works it works, but you’ll probably have an easier time making an adjustment to that in the future

[rich needle]

Probably but again lazy

Like if I ever REALLY struggle I change it

It’s happened maybe

5 times in the past year

[undone ether]

@rich needle like so o.o

[rich needle]

Oh my goodness

So jelly lol

[undone ether]

Full HP and Full Levels.

[rich needle]

Secret hard mode, just don’t ever check params cuz you clear anyway

I do my csmm every week shush

[calm marsh]

[undone ether]

oh huh GZ was up .-.;

[rich needle]

considering it sher innate nuke

it would be really insane if her damage was that high without it

@old orchid I’m not coping see

[undone ether]

wait whata 😮

[rich needle]

ssleaf moment

[undone ether]

death by poison D:?

[rich needle]

yee

[old orchid]

[rich needle]

it really wasnt that hard

and thus the defense+3 param lives another day

[old orchid]

kill it with fire

🔥

[rich needle]

bro i presynced by accident

akari ncmarnie nccalem is too powerfujl

xd

post sync fraud feels bad

this is why i dont change params

[rich needle]

i finished it

#1185097439179448361

[thin knot]

Can ss may lead a fire on type team? If so who would work well on the team? I don’t have Morty or leaf…

[mellow linden]

If you’re running a team built around SS May then it’d be her + a Sun setter + an appropriate Support (the Sun setter may not be necessary if it’s on-type, depends on the stage and, if Master Mode, point value)

[thin knot]

Would Geordie be a good enough sun setter? Since he has rebuff too? Or would it be better with someone more consistent?

[mellow linden]

Fire Rebuff effectively replaces Sun unless the stage requires some form of weather to be set, so Gordie’s fine

[verbal karma]

Nope, it's still not working

Aside from Cynthia's sync not dealing enough damage no matter what, Sonia gets KO'd by the Head Smash that is guaranteed to follow after the enemy sync

and the moment she is gone, everything else falls apart

[undone ether]

are you up against Head Smashing Diantha?

presync or post sync? o.o?

[toxic cobalt]

Why does Siebold hit so hard!

[silver dirge]

He's a Tough Cookie

[toxic cobalt]

He truly is

Those def buffs and doing more for him than atk does

[silver dirge]

Indeed

[verbal karma]

Cobalt's params

[verbal karma]

and yes

[left storm]

Just use event victor+ any remotely decent standalone ground freebie with a decent enough support

[verbal karma]

???

[left storm]

Like, I think you can easily manage event victor+clay+Sonia

[verbal karma]

...how?

[left storm]

Ground max move goes brrrr

[verbal karma]

But you said Event Victor

[left storm]

Yes.

[verbal karma]

Event Victor is Spectrier

[left storm]

Yes.

[verbal karma]

Spectrier doesn't have ground moves

[left storm]

I'm not gonna comment further

Go check his kit

[verbal karma]

Oh, nevermind, I misremembered

[left storm]

His DPS is abysmal

But max move is pretty great

Just needs a secondary ground

[verbal karma]

Hmm...can't pair him with Cynthia because she needs sandstorm...

[left storm]

I recommend it because he can cast damage guard on himself while maxxing which is really good

And you can run OPP entry ↑3

For free

[verbal karma]

Hmm...who to pair Horse Victor with?

[left storm]

Courtney, easily

[manic mica]

@mellow linden sorry to ping I just wanted to thank you for all the help! I absolutely smashed it up (after remembering sync grids exist) and I managed to beat it with the team below

[silver dirge]

Nicely done!

[manic mica]

Thank you so much!!

[verbal karma]

Even though she's only 2/5, and thus, is missing important sync grid panels

[verbal karma]

Oh, is Tina better at tanking than Sonia or Kiawe?

[manic mica]

Probably not? But I just selected a random support who would buff and swept

I also don't think I have either of those

[left storm]

I mean you're meant to sync with support, then max to denial left and kill mid with sync, should be still doable even 2/5 if exed or if your parameters aren't completely messed up

Or tank sync and then max+ sync mid if you're running post sync params

[verbal karma]

I mean...doesn't change the fact she'd still be missing the Towering Force grid panel...

[verbal karma]

also, Courtney is not EX'd

infact, none of my Ground-types are EX'd

[left storm]

Sounds like a problem you should definitely solve

[verbal karma]

...yeah, sadly, the reason I haven't EX'd any Ground-types was because there was always a different sync pair who was a higher EX-ing priority

and there probably STILL are sync pairs who are a higher EX-ing priority

[steel kelp]

With how much you don’t ex I doubt you’re that low on mats

[left storm]

Sounds weird, since I'd always prioritise having a good ontyper for every type over having 2-3 of the same

Unless you like

Exed all your supports

Which is the only good investment that transcends type

[verbal karma]

I did EX a lot of supports, yes

[left storm]

Also, did you really get so unlucky from that she's still 2/5?

That's wild

[steel kelp]

Not uncommon

For a while my sonia was stuck at 2/5

[verbal karma]

indeed

hell, my Elio is still at 2/5 as well

[verbal karma]

I...wouldn't exactly call 103 and 857 "high on mats" either, but...that's a topic for #1217072266878124122...which is where I have asked the EXing question

[steel kelp]

[calm marsh]

[left storm]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-juicer-gif-23575721

[rich needle]

I did it with ingo cynthia courtney and my params are ass

Should be a shitton easier

And I mean if u refuse to ex cynthia you should go earthquake dps

[verbal karma]

I mean...I will EX Cynthia if I don't have any sync pairs who want the EX more

that's why I asked the question that I asked in #1217072266878124122

[toxic cobalt]

You can EX somewhere around 10 units no problem? Nobody is going to rank your units that far.

[old orchid]

We're not ChatGPT

[steel kelp]

but who’s going to tell them what to do

[verbal karma]

...was it really necessary to mock me there?

[keen jasper]

Frugal much?

[rich needle]

Ahem

[mellow linden]

Let’s maybe chill a bit when it comes to comments like that

[toxic cobalt]

Friends, Siebold is too strong

[swift swan]

he cooked too hard?

[mellow linden]

Is this a free/low rarity only clear or a regular one?

[toxic cobalt]

Just a basic free clear. Or lack of.

His def buffs are attack buffs! He requires status! He has special and physical damage!

[nocturne pawn]

surf is the run killer in my experience

[rich needle]

Use volkner flinchez

[nocturne pawn]

just pray it never comes up

[toxic cobalt]

Yep yep. Ohko

[mellow linden]

High point value might be a tough ask without at least some 5-star gen pools, to be perfectly honest