Champion Stadium

[old orchid]

Lvl 120 is the standard. And you want to use many types as possible to unlock Master Mode faster

After done planning your teams, send them here to get feedback on improvements

[charred linden]

uhhhhhhhhhh

any starting hints?

[old orchid]

Sidney: Blue
Glacia: Bea
Phoebe: SS Red offtype (you lack good special Dark units, and physical Dark types of your are not invested)
Drake: Olivia
Steven: Cyrus

[charred linden]

i have alot of resources to invest btw

so dont worry bout it

i can probs invest into 5 units

tenks abunch man

[old orchid]

Its more like Sidney and Nanu are weak at 1/5

[charred linden]

ah alright got it

tenks tenks

appreciate the help ill go do that then

[hushed lintel]

What kind of team can I make to go through 3k pts ?

I was thinking of adding iono and maybe Lucian

And should I aim for post sync?

Ig blue damage comes after he megas

[mellow linden]

How experienced are you with Master Mode in general? If you’re still new to the mode I’d suggest slowly working your way up rather than jumping directly to 3k

[lunar meadow]

You get most meaningful rewards with 4.2k points clears.

That's only 850 points per fight, and is super easy to achieve.

Starting at 15k is likely to be painful and drive you away from wanting to play

[somber bay]

Why can’t I crit on drake??

I’m using skarmory lycanroc and Tangela

2nd phase so have to use status moves

[hushed lintel]

I usually hover around 2k5/3k but I have never tried with blue and I don't have any good flying unit : mostly blue, Darach, nate and the Lisa with togekiss

Flying is one, if not my weakest type if we include limited

[mellow linden]

You aren’t required to use the round parameters. Is this Hard Mode or Master Mode?

[mellow linden]

You mean Skyla + Togekiss, I assume.

Can try out Iono + a Sp. Def. debuffer as teammates and see how it goes. The only thing you have to lose is the time spent on the attempt

[hushed lintel]

Yes skyla sorry

[grand steppe]

Blue (Pidgeot)'s 3/5 is really good.

[hushed lintel]

So Lucian was not a bad choice

[hushed lintel]

Yeah he is alright, it's just that i have never used him for 3k and while he is good I just have better mons for other types lol

[somber bay]

@mellow linden it’s master mode

[mellow linden]

What point parameters are you using?

[somber bay]

I just realized everyone is critting minus lycanroc

I’m at 1900

[mellow linden]

But what specific parameters are you using?

[somber bay]

His hits are super duper effective

[mellow linden]

Supereffective animation overrides crit animation

A crit supereffective hit won’t have the critical hit special effects appear

[mellow linden]

More than likely your Olivia/Kukui/Paulo (idk which Lycanroc Sync Pair you’re using) is critting

[somber bay]

Oh I just don’t see cs2 prock

[mellow linden]

Also note that the 50-point Physical Damage Reduction and 50-point Special Damage Reduction prameters just set Reflect and Light Screen, which are ignored by critical hits

[somber bay]

Ahh so use both

[mellow linden]

If they have the Lucky Skill then it’s possible it appears but is pushed out by other passives too fast for you to notice

Which Lycanroc Sync Pair are you using, btw?

[somber bay]

He’s midnight so amped up does go off

[mellow linden]

Ah, Olivia

[somber bay]

Yessir

[mellow linden]

Amped Up requires a crit, so she is critting

[somber bay]

She’s the only usable rock dealer I have

Gotcha she just hits like a pool noodle

[mellow linden]

Olivia’s main damage is her Sync Move at 2/5+

Roark is quite good with enough investment, so if you can grid him and get him to 4-star potential he’s a great pick for Rock damage-dealer

[somber bay]

Better than lycanroc?

[mellow linden]

Better regular move damage, Olivia outdoes him in Sync Move damage by a small margin (a bigger margin if Olivia is EXd)

Also, you may be rolling with too many bulk increasing parameters since you’ve stacked a lot of Max HP

[somber bay]

I’m debating exing her im out of spirit though big reason I wanna hit 1900 on all stages

[mellow linden]

So I’d recommend changing that up a little and also replacing BP Erika with either another Support or a Defense debuffer

[somber bay]

Put up damage mitigators?

Since she’s critting

Seems like toxic is doing most of the work for me

[steel kelp]

Why toxic if not stall

[mellow linden]

When you’re not giving Olivia the best team setup and you’re on a status amp round, you’ve heavily skewed things in Toxic’s favor

[mellow linden]

The 50-point Physical/Special Damage Reduction parameters should always be picked, since with proper teambuilding they’re a free 100 points in total

[somber bay]

I’ll switch to that, I guess def down is the only other thing she can use

Skarm caps her crit and attack

[mellow linden]

What Move Level is your Olivia, btw?

[somber bay]

2/5 no grid though

Not enough orbs atm

[mellow linden]

Ah, there’s a lot of your troubles with Olivia

She very much wants her Sync Grid for her Sync Move’s high damage

[rotund lagoon]

Also to mention Argenta is more of an enabler, there are better Supports to buff purely Atk/Crit for those that need it

[somber bay]

Should I do the physical and special reduction 8 as well

[mellow linden]

Can you at least grab Inertia on her grid? If so, replace BP Erika with a Speed buffer (Amped Up can counteract Drake’s Slow-Mo, but would have trouble doing more than that)

[mellow linden]

Only SpDR8

The 100-point Physical Damage Reduction 8, 100-point Special Damage Reduction 8, and 300-point Standard Damage Reduction 8 reduce damage from physical, special, and non-supereffective damage respectively by 80%

So when using Olivia against a Rock weak stage, only Special Damage Reduction 8 and Standard Damage Reduction 8 should be picked

Speaking of which, Standard Damage Reduction 8 is a nice 300 points you can get in place of Max HP 6

It’ll make things way easier for you

[somber bay]

Lenora watchog for Tangela?

Oh ty that’d be a big help

[mellow linden]

If you can’t grid Inertia on Olivia then that’s a fine option

If you can grid Inertia then do that and use a Speed buffer instead of BP Erika

[rotund lagoon]

I wouldn’t even do Max HP 8 as well tbh

[mellow linden]

Oh, I totally missed Max HP 8

Yeah, that’s too many Max HP, that’s probably a bigger issue than anything rn

[somber bay]

It’s just hard to get the points without

[rotund lagoon]

Yeah for your roster being new-ish, you’re giving them too much bulk.

Have you looked at the param recommendations in the pins yet?

[mellow linden]

Strength parameters are helpful, they’re a flat stat increase instead of a %stat increase

[somber bay]

Gotcha I’ll redo the mods

Tbh I’m struggling with how to find the pins

I’m not discord savvy

[rotund lagoon]

It’s in the channel settings.

Basically, tap the channel name on the top of the screen when in the channel, tap settings, then Pinned Messages.

[somber bay]

Gotcha that’s a big help

Should I go through rock throw to save energy?

I’ve got like 800 so can grid some

[mellow linden]

As long as you can get Inertia it doesn’t really matter how you get there

[somber bay]

Perfect I’m gunna give it a shot

Ty for the advice and help

100 less points but much easier

Didn’t realize just how much all the hp was adding to them

Feel like I could let them smack a bit harder for more points

Interference immunity is like flinch and sleep?

[grand steppe]

interf = flinch / trap / confuse
status cond. = sleep / poison / para / burn / frozen

You can find some game mechanics explained in #1092823068256251945

[somber bay]

Perfect phoebe is the tough one

[somber bay]

Better

So poison stall teams you wanna max out the enemy hp and def stats?

[grand steppe]

Yes, because your team will not be dealing direct damage.

[somber bay]

What supports should I use with Tangela?

What’s a standard stall team

Think I should do one on phoebe

[silver dirge]

• You want badly poison, and if you can fit in trap - that's especially helpful for some extra damage. Lucy fulfils both roles
• Debuffing offenses is especially helpful so your team can survive longer, Janine can fill that roll (Venom drench debuffs offenses AoE as long as the targets are poisoned)
• You want a tank that can buff defenses (again, survivability) and any healing is a plus. BP Morty & Swimsuit Misty are good examples

[grand steppe]

Stall Options: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pWpRPyp9VI&pp=ygUWY2hhbXBpb24gc3RhZGl1bSBzdGFsbA%3D%3D

• Poison: Lucy, Janine, bpErika, Koga, Lodge Gladion, Lodge Janine
• Sand: Bertha mainly
• Sun: Erika, Lyra, and a poison setter.
• Burn: Flannery, Siebold, etc.

[somber bay]

Tysm!!

[rotund lagoon]

[proud axle]

...that thumbnail is one Hall of Fame short of greatness
D'you think that works in Hoenn League? I know an acquaintance that I think has been skipping CSMM due to, well, fear.

[grand steppe]

well the video is from 12.5k, so it needs adjustments made.

I've personally done sandstorm stall, really good on rock weak stages for stealth rock.

haven't done the Sun, Evasion, or Burn variants

[somber bay]

I’m not tanky enough for this stall team

Dang

Tangela, leaf and venusaur and Janine ariados

[scenic pike]

ur poison stalling?

which stage?

[somber bay]

Not the prettiest but got it to work

[silver dirge]

Nicely done!

You're going to be taking some strong hits at the start cos of Five Stats ⬆️

Also Max CD makes them sync quicker, I'd avoid that too. Have you had a look at the stall params in the pins?

[somber bay]

Ahh gotcha I’m definitely still learning luckily I don’t have much going on at work

[somber bay]

@scenic pike was the phoebe stage

Wound up doing it on Steven as well for 10,500

Probably call it there at least for now

[brave halo]

OK so bug Sidney next week, who am I able to pair sc ingo with for this? I have alder and sshilbert but both use spdef over defense like what ingo wants

Yeah my bugs are kinda lacking

[manic kiln]

5/5 alder and 3/5 hilbert are lacking? in this case ingo will only be used as a zone bot, and speed buff. And that is already overkill. If you want physical dps noland/bugsy can also clear 3k

[sick inlet]

[paper summit]

some things never change huh

[jagged void]

Any tips for Phoebe, I’m struggling to offtype it.

These are the types I have left to complete

[rich needle]

That is some hilbert slander

[jagged void]

?

[brave halo]

OK think I got something down

[rotund lagoon]

Have you checked the small summary of her in the pins?

I’m also wondering what your Dark roster looks like rn

[silver dirge]

Are you trying to get a type medal in? Some of these teams look incredibly random

[rotund lagoon]

I would change Petey for an Electric Terrain user, SC Ingo hardly has any synergy with SS Hilbert other than zone (and rip the gauge), idk why Raihan and Mix Red are on the same team, and why are SS Acerola and Zerena on the same team???

Wait I forgot Ryuki is a damage dealer/tech, why is he there?

[silver dirge]

^ Give SS Hilbert a support that actually buffs something meaningful for him, Raihan team ?? Naomi is close to useless without sand, what is Ryuki doing there

[jagged void]

:/

[rotund lagoon]

Ok yeah I wouldn’t use a 1/5 Karen
What’s the off type team?

[silver dirge]

You're experienced enough for you to get the basics of teambuilding and understand what your damage dealer needs. If you still can't grasp the pure basics we'll just recommend reading the guides again and not attempting 15k CS

[jagged void]

Wdym?

How am I on hard mode still and still struggling-

[brave halo]

Petey is meant to be there for triple special rat, literally the stuff for sc ingo was because I wanted to use him but nobody gave an answer on who works well with him, ryuki is simply cause I wanted to use him and plus I had zerena anyway, acerola is there mainly for sun and speed buffing, raihan and red were simply when I couldn't find a 3rd pair after raihan and dawn

[rotund lagoon]

Karen is not the best at base, in my opinion. You are welcome to try a team with her if you like (and can invest in leveling)
If you have a team planned, can you show me? Make sure to read the Teambuilding 101 as well~

[jagged void]

Yeah sure lemme get it up

I’m trying to use up the types I have left so-

[rotund lagoon]

SS Hilbert wants a Sp Df debuffer (reading his kit shows he wants help)

[rotund lagoon]

Oh uh…..that won’t work. Phoebe has , doubling her base Df stat.

You need a Special Attacker

[rich needle]

Tbh not really I think all he wants is regular special attack crit buffs

[rotund lagoon]

You and I are both right, shall I say

[rich needle]

Ye prolly

[silver dirge]

He would like external spDef debuffs if possible, otherwise he spends 3 turns doing it himself, on top of buffing his stats since Elaine isn't helping unless she's 3/5. Either an spDef debuffer or a dedicated support will work

[brave halo]

Is there anyone outside sshilbert I can use cause the whole point was bug zone but given the kit, idk what works

[jagged void]

Here’s my type listing

[silver dirge]

You can use Hilbert, Ingo is just going to be a zone bot. But you need to replace the support

[rich needle]

He hits like a truck he’s just slow going

[steel kelp]

as long as you don’t pair him with sc jasmine

[rotund lagoon]

Lucian with SS Hilbert

Oh btw, Hilbert has rebuff, no zone is not a huge deal

[silver dirge]

Would you be able to fill out the tracker? So we can see what strong offtype options you might have?

You can use slots 2 & 3 to get medal types in with a strong carry

[rotund lagoon]

I spy Darach, definitely can use him as a third member.

Phoebe does zone post sync so he will help with that

[sharp willow]

If you insist on SC Ingo, Noland is probably a reasonable partner

[silver dirge]

Heavy on the insist there because the difference between Hilbert and Ingo + Noland is quite drastic

[jagged void]

Ohh-

[brave halo]

If bugsy alright then cause I don't have crit strike on noland

[silver dirge]

Be forewarned you are going to struggle with either.

[brave halo]

Not my fault they decided to make sc ingo the way he is, how is he still the only bug zoner

[steel kelp]

It’s not like there are a bunch of big units

[sharp willow]

He isn't

Holiday Viola.

[silver dirge]

It would be your fault if you're not using SS Hilbert though, he's amazing

[steel kelp]

Hilbert stomps any bug content

[rotund lagoon]

Mine is only 1/5 and SS Hilbert wrecks everything

[silver dirge]

I'm not sure I understand why you would go for Noland or Bugsy over Hilbert

[steel kelp]

He’s perfectly fine without zone

someday I’ll get him to 5/5 for double rebuff

[brave halo]

The issue is the fact that Sidney has dark zone, meaning since he's weak to bug, they want bug zone, aka sc ingo, I ain't about to let him have that up and one shot me by one sync

[steel kelp]

No they don’t

It’s not a problem if you just kill mid

[silver dirge]

When does Sidney use Dark Zone? Should be one turn before sync right?

[brave halo]

Right before sync

[steel kelp]

That’s plenty of time

[silver dirge]

Hilbert can take him out well before that

[rotund lagoon]

Even if you nuke Sidney after zone is up, and before sync, sides aren’t an issue under it

[silver dirge]

Get the spDef down, click Hilbert TM for SEUN, nuke

[manic kiln]

Pretty sure 3/5 premium units don’t even need 2nd sync to presync

[silver dirge]

Indeed

[steel kelp]

Especially hilbert

[rotund lagoon]

Man y’all are making me want to bring mine to 3/5

[steel kelp]

Join the club

[brave halo]

Wait hold up, so I could've just kept the team as is then?

[steel kelp]

No

[rotund lagoon]

? No

When did we say that???

[silver dirge]

Get rid of Ingo, bring an spDef debuffer and a dedicated special support

This is just basic teambuilding

[rotund lagoon]

And Arch has a point, if you cannot grasp basic teambuilding, read the guides, and do not attempt 3k

[brave halo]

Then what was the entire point of having sc ingo in the game in the first place?

[silver dirge]

To pair with SC Emmet - but not sure how I can answer that for you, none of us is behind unit design at DeNa

[rich needle]

He was released during the infancy of zone

Zone units were altogether given a tacit approach

[steel kelp]

Now they give it to every other unit

Or field Rolex

[rich needle]

It’s still not that frequent

They do seem to be spamming the circles tho

Prolly to try to give some per region

[sharp willow]

nah, circles are releasing around the same rate that zones did

[brave halo]

OK then how about this then?

You wanted spdef drops so it's something

[steel kelp]

Wha

[silver dirge]

[sharp willow]

you still dont have a great support for Hilbert

[steel kelp]

Annie literally said Lucian

How did you get farther from the goal

[brave halo]

Lucian is in another team right now

[silver dirge]

He needs to move from there anyway

Naomi isn't getting anywhere without sand

[steel kelp]

You know

Nc blue does everything for hilbert

[rich needle]

The irida placement of all time

[steel kelp]

Maxes offenses and gives speed

[rich needle]

Ye they’re gonna spam it like they did zone

Cuz they wanna give some to all the regions

Then they’ll slow down prolly

[silver dirge]

Also given Elaine is 3/5 I guess it's not too bad, but a dedicated special support will still do you better

[brave halo]

He already raises spatk to 6 by 2 tm's anyway

[rich needle]

But it’s slow

[steel kelp]

It’s slow

[silver dirge]

The less turns he spends buffing the more turns he does damage

[brave halo]

Elaine is there for aoe attack and spatk dropping

[rich needle]

Because he wants to hit metal sound 3 times

[silver dirge]

You need a turn to get the rebuff in too before you're doing max damage

[brave halo]

I know he'll sync regardless once

[steel kelp]

Elaine isn’t doing damage

[rich needle]

Do literally any of this help

[steel kelp]

Like actually

[silver dirge]

He shouldn't sync if you play it right, because like we said, SS Hilbert is incredibly strong

[steel kelp]

If you want that just use nc blue

[brave halo]

Blue is over with Naomi right now

[silver dirge]

Offensive debuffing is not fundamental in short presync battles like CSMM, don't pivot around it

[rich needle]

The forbidden post sync technology

[steel kelp]

If they’re already dead the debuffs don’t matter

[rich needle]

But yes it’s not necessary at all

[brave halo]

I'm expecting one sync from Sidney regardless

[steel kelp]

Why tho

[brave halo]

So I might as well drop it as fast as possible

[rich needle]

Wot are you dropping lol

[silver dirge]

Well you're not surviving a dark zone sync from Sidney on offensive CS

[brave halo]

And even better of elaine having flinch, confusion, and trapping

[steel kelp]

If you’re expecting him to sync then do post sync

[rich needle]

I post sync and I don’t exactly eagerly await to get synced

[brave halo]

Attack and spatk

[rich needle]

Just use post sync params

[brave halo]

I just always expect to get synced at least once no matter what stage it is

[steel kelp]

then why are you using presync

[brave halo]

When did I say I was doing that?

[rich needle]

If use post sync params

No need attack drops

[silver dirge]

If you change your strategy and accommodate for pre sync you don't need to worry about that. It's silly to expect post sync and change your team to survive a sync on pre sync parameters - of course you'll get synced on, you're not prioritising quick damage

[brave halo]

It wouldn't be just the sync I'm preparing for, but the standard moves too

The sync is just the biggest thing cause those passives

[silver dirge]

Well we've recommended everything we could, the rest is up to you. Worst case scenario you do some trial/error and work it out once the stage is online

[brave halo]

Honestly a lot of this would be mitigated if they gave me more attack droppers for steven

But lucian the only attack dropper I can find and since he drops spdef too, I'm stuck only with naomi, and since blue is the defacto spatk support, it was a given

And especially when he raises his bulk everytime he is hit, means growl will never buff it

And before it gets stated, sure I could swap elaine and blue since both teams use special but the issue is elaine drops both attackand spatk while blue can't and sidney has side special which can hit and do nasty damage if left alone

[steel kelp]

blue does both

[proud axle]

Looks like they're both on Blue's 3/5 grid, albeit right next to each other. Maybe their Blue isn't 3/5?

(Upper right sector, Overwhelm and Satisfied Snicker)

[brave halo]

He is but legit never saw it but realized I had another grid active for a while

[rose ermine]

Am i good for monday

Left is 5k right is 15k

[silver dirge]

Right looks all good

On the left, Sidney team lacks DPS, I'd consider offtype or at least Burgh/Lusamine if you got em

Otherwise looks fine

[swift swan]

No way nuke viola enjoyer

[versed meteor]

If only aura Cynthia had speed buffs

[full anvil]

Oops

Wrong note

[dark osprey]

Gauge acceleration on b move is nice. Would probably need some RNG for wallys Speedster sync but only one buff needed

[frozen fossil]

What's the recommended order for this week's Stadium?

[silver dirge]

There's no recommended order per se, depends on your teams. Just don't do Sidney or Phoebe round 3

[rain turret]

phone's charging, I guess I'll try going for 15k on this week, still didnt do it lol

for phoebe karen should do it, right?

[rotund lagoon]

If she’s 3/5+, I’m sure she can.

[frozen fossil]

Does Thunderbolt Red ignore the Round 1 Physical Attack Down modifier?

[silver dirge]

Crits ignore that

So everyone does

As long as you max out their crit - which SST Red has as a base passive

SST Red's passive always guarantees a crit, so he bypasses shields (Physical or Special Damage reduction parameter) by default. All other damage dealers will also bypass the shield if they land a critical hit - just make sure you max out the crit stat

[rotund lagoon]

I think that phrasing implies his passive maxes his crit buffs. But the passive actually just causes every move to be a Critical hit

[silver dirge]

That is fair, not ideal wording on my end

[frozen fossil]

Welp, I off-typed Round 1 Drake with Thunderbolt Red on my first try at 3,000 points. Thank god, because I don't have any good Rock damage dealers.

[frozen fossil]

I'm now stuck on Round 2 Sydney. I can't pre-Sync him. I tried a party of Blue, Falkner/Noctowl, and Skyla. I've also tried swapping Skyla with Lucian for the Sp. Def reduction. But no matter what, I can't deal enough damage to finish off Sydney pre-Sync. Should I try Kahili over Blue? Blue has the advantage of an AOE attack, making it easier to activate Noctowl's Hypnosis.

[mellow linden]

You don’t need to run a monotype team. You can try SS Elesa as the Support + Lucian as the 3rd teammate and make sure you Sync with Blue

Worst case scenario there’s always Poison stall

[lunar meadow]

"You don't need to run a monotype team."

Blasphemy.

[sick inlet]

Unfortunately, Sidney always demands not full monotype team because he's a son of a dena employee

[rotund lagoon]

I beg your pardon….what does that mean?

[silver dirge]

Pre sure they're just kidding, they like running monotype teams

[lunar meadow]

Yep, it's a joke.

I run monotype almost exclusively in CSMM

#1011619113501720586

[rain turret]

any tips for Phoebe?
Im trying with Karen, NC Rosa and Sawyer

[rotund lagoon]

Karen wants a proper buffer since hers is a bit slow. And a Sp Df debuffer would help her if possible
But what move level is Karen?

[sharp willow]

realistically, sawyer feels like he isnt really doing anything on that team

[rain turret]

is there one?
all I see is characters with stuff like shadow ball, energy ball, psychic which have a chance of reducing sp def
I aint using sst red on the team
maybe I could try ss roxie I guess

[rain turret]

she's 3/5

btw Im on R1

[rotund lagoon]

Do you have Lucian? His Sp Df lowering is by passive

[rotund lagoon]

If Karen is gridded, you should be solid. Just need to change the Support

[lean lion]

@swift swan The request is for all helpers but tagging you cause the initial suggestion was yours (really sorry if I shouldn't). Kahili + Blue worked!!

Improved from 2550-2800 against Phoebe and from 2450-2700 against Sidney. Very happy about 14.5 k...buuut it's only 500 away from max...please help me find a way to do it helpers?

I have screenshots of params and a vid of the successful run against Sidney (which was slightly more difficult that Phoebe so I recorded it just in case). I'll send those when someone is available to help cause I don't wanna spam media.

[swift swan]

Well done! Let's see what we can do

What params were you running on Phoebe? Was it comfortable or were you close to losing?

And yeah, send the sidney run if you can

[lean lion]

Sending now

[swift swan]

Also link me back to your sync pair tracker image, if possible? I'd like to see if some modification in your roster can help you achieve 3k

[lean lion]

Blue + Kahili 2.7k run

Phoebe params, STR +6 not in ss

Sidney params, standard reduction and STR +6 not in ss

Sync pair tracker image

[swift swan]

Oof that was a very close run eh

The rare times evasion pulled through

[lean lion]

It was difficult at first. Sides were killing me even if I presync mid. But I switched to Brutal Swing on Serena to flinch. Then it was a lot easier. Just can't take too many hits from sides.

[swift swan]

Mmm. How about SS Elesa instead of Aaron for an earlier sync?

[lean lion]

Yup and I almost messed up by queuing the wrong move on Kahili

[swift swan]

Helps with blue's accuracy and sp atk buffs too

[swift swan]

Saw that a few times when you used x attack when her attack is maxed, but no big deal

[lean lion]

Elesa doesn't survive any moves from Sidney

[swift swan]

Oh yea definitely stick to brutal swing cerena

[swift swan]

Yeah she's sadly pretty frail, a dodge tank

[lean lion]

Wanted to make sure to have gauge for hurricane might have been unnecessary

[swift swan]

I suppose with Sidney I have a few suggestions for params you can take:

• Take Attack 5 and hope opponents don't spam hard hitting moves
• Take half ally HP, heal order turn 1
  Fill in the rest with low strength

Either way, grid for TM MPR on Blue and try to get at least 1 MPR. So you TM 3 times before sync. No need to click x sp atk anymore

As for the Phoebe team, I understand you picked Hop for his bulk, but that leaves Karen needing to use her two TMs to max her sp atk, leaving less room for attacking presync. I'd try to find a mixed support instead, like Falkner. a bit more frail but he handles the buffs both karen and cerena need relatively well

Plus he can flinch too

Although at 1/5 it's only 30%

[lean lion]

Blue's grid. What should I get replace for TM MPR?

[lean lion]

Hop maxes crit and defense but I'm gonna be flinching anyway so maybe I don't need the defense. I'll try Falkner. Do I grid him for the extra stats?

[swift swan]

Nah there's no need

[lean lion]

Should I give him vigilance?

I don't even have lucky skull unlocked on him

[swift swan]

Does Phoebe buff crit? The chances of landing a stray crit at 0 crit rate is very low

In the future if you need it, maybe. It's unnecessary for now

[lean lion]

Alright got it

[lean lion]

How about +200 on params here for Phoebe?

[swift swan]

Mmm

How close were you to killing mid by 2nd sync?

I want to suggest max sync -1 and attack 1 for the extra 100 but if you can barely kill mid before they sync, scrap the idea

[lean lion]

They were 2 moves away from sync when mid died

[swift swan]

Oooh

2 moves? Heck, we can probably afford max sync -2 instead, then!

[lean lion]

But i need good flinch RNG for that

[swift swan]

A bit risky but give that a shot

Time cerena's bmove well

For the sync countdown

[lean lion]

I'm trying to get out both b moves before 2nd sync. With Falkner I can Snarl twice before first sync. I'll try to utilize the -2 sync as best as possible

[lean lion]

If this is too much I'll l try -1 sync + attack 1

[sick inlet]

Sounds like maybe a success

[lean lion]

R3 Sidney: Giving them -sync cd or HP wasn't working. But I came very close with half ally hp. It's doable!!

[silver dirge]

Weren't you doing hard mode just a couple weeks ago? So proud of you bestie!

[lean lion]

Thanks so much, Arch!!! Means a lot. And again, it's mostly because of the helpers. You guys taught me well haha. Also btw, today is my 2 month anni playing the game. So would be really nice if I can 15k.

I just threw a sure win....forgor I'm supposed to Brutal Swing with Cerena. Sides ended up taking their turn and one shotting everyone 😦

[silver dirge]

This much progress in 2 months is incredible. You're learning the depths of CS RNG, hopefully you get the ideal clear soon

[lean lion]

I really love the game. I used to play in 2019 but then I didn't have a good phone for a few years. I remember being able to grind exp books infinitely. Game is soo much better now. I'm really enjoying learning the intricacies. So it's easy to grind for me.

Also seeing you guys get 100 streaks in LG is crazy. Would like to get there someday..

[lean lion]

Phoebe down, Sidney's next

@swift swan ended up using Hop. Falkner was too frail. Half ally hp...flinch fest ftw

Didn't use Serena's TM at all. Only used 2 Water shruriken in between syncs for Bmove and some debuffs.

[old orchid]

[lean lion]

One more 3k away from max score Gakon!!!

If I can get it

I'm scared

[old orchid]

believe in yourself

i know you can do it

[swift swan]

If it works it works!!

[silver dirge]

We're all rooting for you

[swift swan]

Ahahaha it's time consuming as hell but with enough perseverance and practice, you can!

[lean lion]

The trick was to forget about dealing damage with Cerena and trust Karen to get the job done. So Hop's bulk came in handy instead of omni buffs from Falkner.

[swift swan]

That's one cool thing about CS

So many combinations of params you can use and so many weird tricks you can employ to make up for lack of units

[lean lion]

I recorded the run but I think I only took 1 hit the entire fight

[swift swan]

You're doing very well

[lean lion]

And eventually they ran out of tms

[lean lion]

I love this. Can't get enough.

[silver dirge]

I've yet to see someone grasp the parameters so quickly, and some of the advanced ones at that, while also just enjoying the game mode. Very impressed

[sick inlet]

I believe the more you understand the more entertaining it gets
It should work like that

Because then you can apply knowledge based on understanding and Bam more wins more GGs

[lean lion]

Guys 😢

Just needed to dodge this final razor Leaf

So close...

[silver dirge]

Oof

[undone ether]

almost there D:

[silver dirge]

This is a good way of looking at it yeah. A lot get overwhelmed by the params and subsequently dissatisfied with the gamemode

[sharp willow]

You got there once, you can do it again

[lean lion]

Gonna take a break. But now I know it's doable. I can do it!!

[sick inlet]

Yessir you gots it in the bag

[rain turret]

phoebe is nasty,Im on R1 with karen, lucian and NC rosa, but she just doesnt do enough

[old orchid]

what parameters are you using?

and is Karen 3/5?

[mellow linden]

I’d recommend running a dedicated Sp. Atk. + crit Support if possible since Karen is very reliant on Syncing to access her big damage move and ideally wants the opponent at -6 Sp. Atk. by 1st Sync

Which means she basically cannot afford to buff herself unless another teammate is debuffing Sp. Atk.

[rain turret]

@old orchid parameters, also karen is 3/5 and exed, NC rosa is 2/5 exed with ex role, lucian is 4/5, not exed

[north crown]

+reading

[frozen depot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855438548684374045/1069103333429747752/image-2.png

[mellow linden]

I fail to see how this is making any meaningful contribution at this juncture

[silver dirge]

As do I, seems like a very random comment. At least provide context if there's a point you're trying to make

[north crown]

r u srious? NCRosa isn't known for buffing very quick at all; it's not optimal to use her in this scenario, since Karen won't have her max nuke on her first sync.

[silver dirge]

That's exactly what Cobalt was recommending

[old orchid]

looks like you are the one who should read properly

[mellow linden]

I already covered that, and nothing has indicated that they missed or ignored my recommendation

[north crown]

and yet zarc was still set on using NCRosa, hence my mention of Cobalt's suggestion.

[old orchid]

your parameters look fine, but once Phoebe setups zone its game over

[mellow linden]

They were responding to someone who asked questions before me

[old orchid]

i assume you dont have egg Umbreon?

[mellow linden]

There was nothing indicating that they were “set on” using that team setup, they were just elaborating on what they had previously been using to answer Gakon’s question

[rain turret]

I do

[old orchid]

use him instead of Lucian, then

[north crown]

and another support instead of NCRosa

[old orchid]

save a Dark Wish use after Phoebe's Ghost WIsh

[rain turret]

who should go as well?

[old orchid]

Sabrina works really well

[mellow linden]

Not as great at 1/5, but could work if necessary

[north crown]

if all else fails, Karen's Dark Pulse spam should suffice with 60% flinch.

[rain turret]

I forgot to update that, my sabrina is 3/5

[rotund lagoon]

You can just put Sabrina in

[rain turret]

I keep dying to her sync, why tf she has so much health even without any max hp modifier?

[rotund lagoon]

Phoebe just has high base HP

That’s all I can tell you tbh ^^;

[silver dirge]

Highest base HP a CS stage can have, it's natural if you're finding her bulky

[rain turret]

I do everything right, set up dark zone ,max crit rate and sp atk to +3 and +6, set up freaking dark zone, but the sync barely touches banette, yet almost kills marowak and gengar

[sharp willow]

yeah phoebe has like, 4x as much health as the other two mons

[rotund lagoon]

The Atk params aren’t really helping in my opinion.

[silver dirge]

Kiawe is quite frail considering no defensive buffs, you're going to want to reduce some of the attack or switch to a support with a better defensive profile

Phoebe has quite high offenses and you're stacking 12 strength plus 9 attack on top of that, she'll hit like an absolute truck

[old orchid]

If you want to go for post sync, i suggest switching back to NC Rosa

[rain turret]

that's what Im doing, but only NC rosa survives the sync

even without ghost zone btw

[old orchid]

Or use a more defensive approach, that is using Darach to get free 150 pts (crit shield) and erase Phoebe's zone

Also debuff atk

[rotund lagoon]

I also don’t think Tech Pairs Take x3 Damage helps Umbreon either

[old orchid]

Yeah it will explode to sync

[rain turret]

though umbreon already did its job

[rotund lagoon]

I do see “No Status Conditions” can be taken tho

For your team, it’s free points

[rain turret]

gotta wait to try again since phone's charging

[rain turret]

did a little change of plans, got 3k on drake with nc red, aaron and egg glaceon

[rain turret]

15k done, I'll post my teams on #1010274591601598555

steven wasnt that hard, although probopass using dazzling gleam out of nowhere scared me for a moment

[main crow]

Ough Steel weak glacia is next week huh

Hopefully 1/5 Raihan can power through 3k

Hoping we'll get debuffs are more effective param

[wide adder]

supposedly solgaleo can power through the SEx2 or worst case you offtype

but yeah, hope for debuff more effective cause thatd help with ontyping an awkward stage like that

[lean lion]

I got it! I got it! So freaking happy right now!!!

Ended up using STR 3 for the remaining 300 points on Sidney. Spent about an hour retrying just now. Died to Sceptile's Earthquake a lot. The first time Sceptile missed, Pidgeot was able to kill both sides without taking another hit. This is thanks to you @swift swan . Gridding Blue for TM MPR and +3 eva came in clutch!!

[old orchid]

Yoooo thats a huge achievement congrats!!!!

[lean lion]

Thanks so much Gakon!!

Destroying Steven with Kris was so satisfying after struggling for so long against Sidney...

[old orchid]

she is such a menace when it comes to ontype

[lean lion]

Sidney was the most difficult

[old orchid]

next week's stages are not too beginner friendly because of rare types, hopefully you can get through

[lean lion]

Took 2+ hours of retrying between yesterday and today

[main crow]

Next set of CS has the menace known as steel weak Glacia

[lean lion]

Have bug, electric and dragon covered. Iffy about Ground using Clay Courtney Leaf. Not sure about Steel weak Glacia.

Maybe Cerena can offtype

[old orchid]

you can try NC Serena offtype

Ground weak stage isnt debuffing-friendly because of Toughen/Tighen Up 9, and the mid has Hammer Arm which threatens Leaf

not to mention the side Steelix has Ground moves so setting Ground Zone is a double edge sword

so you need to be extra careful, i recommend using a flincher instead of Clay to deny their moves as much as possible

[lean lion]

Courtney is only 1/5 though

[sick inlet]

Usually Courtney's job is to set the zone so someone else gets the full benefit

Her being 1/5 isn't a big issue

The problem here is the ground zone being double edged sword

[old orchid]

yeah she wants a good Ground Zone abuser to pair with her, but i think with Leaf's support it should be fine without them

you should worry about the team's survivability more

[silver dirge]

Incredible, big congrats!

[undone ether]

for this upcoming week, i think i'll do this for my teams hmm

[swift swan]

Well done!!! huge achievement

[lean lion]

Thanks so much guys!!

[undone ether]

gj trout 😄

[sick inlet]

Using Blue vs Sidney, you understand danger

[undone ether]

Its either Guzma or Burgh tbh.

[sick inlet]

Zapdos Carry

[undone ether]

i mean... i dont haave a lot of Bug types

i do hvae Alder but he's 1/5 and not EX'd

[sick inlet]

Even if you do, screw bug weakness and Sidney in particular

[undone ether]

aye true :<

i'm not too sure about my Glacia team though.

[lean lion]

Is poison stall viable against Glacia or Steven next week?

[silver dirge]

Is it steel weak Glacia next week?

[undone ether]

yea

[old orchid]

both can be toxic stalled, but Glacia stage has a lot of aoe moves so be careful

[swift swan]

Poison stall is always viable if you believe hard enough

[sick inlet]

Poison stall is always viable, sometimes with great effort

[sick inlet]

Exactly this

[lean lion]

Glacia doesn't seem too tanky. Cerena might be able to get through.

[old orchid]

said the one attempted burn stall

[rain turret]

where did you make this?

[swift swan]

https://discord.com/channels/583120259708616715/1097597679015567420

[undone ether]

Spreadsheet

You make a spreadsheet

[swift swan]

And i won!

[undone ether]

with all the variables/columns taht you need

it allows me to track my teams used/conditions/and whatnot

[silver dirge]

Glacia seems fairly okay for poison stall you're just going to want strong defenses

There's no hail etc you need to worry about replacing

[undone ether]

oh jeez. they've got blizzard everywhere ;_;

[rain turret]

can glacia be done with physical attackers?cuz my best steel types are solgaleo and copperajah

[undone ether]

If my Raihan team dips, i'd probably do SS Leaf / NC Leaf / Ball Guy 😮

she's got Sentry Entry x2

so it can be tough.

[manic kiln]

yes, need the right supports tho

[rain turret]

I guess I'll go offtype with NC red then with egg glaceon and something else

[old orchid]

do note that Ice Zone benefits Glacia as well

[undone ether]

she spams Blizzards

it'll be rough D;

(actually, the sides spam blizzard as well)

[rain turret]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-my-beer-windy-i-can-do-this-gif-13860899387319277599

[undone ether]

humm actually. I might be able to do Ball Guy + NC Leaf + Variety Kiawe

but badly poison is better i guess @_@

[swift swan]

Always

Stalling with reg poison is long and terrible

[silver dirge]

Regular poison doesn't even scale

That would be inherently stupid to be frank

[undone ether]

well at leaast they dont spam Icy winds

[manic kiln]

regular poison stall using offensive parameters

[silver dirge]

Stop cooking immediately

[manic kiln]

ngl there was a time when i used james to stall

[old orchid]

i stall with Oleana and she nuked the mid with her sync, does it count?

[manic kiln]

yes

[old orchid]

[swift swan]

If i stalled with burn you can stall with reg poison (please don't, ever)

[undone ether]

Variety Kiawe burn + bind o/

[wide adder]

There was a bug weak cs out there with wise x2 right which region was it

[silver dirge]

Lucian, Sinnoh

[undone ether]

oh hmm Sidney has Dark Zone.

Oh i can run Burgh here. cool.

no Wise Entryx2 ;_;

[wide adder]

Do you think this team will do good for ground or should I replace someone now that Courtney is 3/5? Tempted to try out Courtney’s nuke, just dunno what sort of stuff works with that

I imagine might have to consider replacing ingo for the nuke tho?

Gonna be trying to save serena for the dragon stage unless I end up needing her for ground

[undone ether]

what's your dragon team against Drake?

[swift swan]

Looks okay

[wide adder]

Iirc Serena anni raihan and whatever support

[undone ether]

SS Hilbert's going for Sidney i guess?

[swift swan]

For nuke courtney i like running sonia

Defense debuffs and offensive setup

[wide adder]

Yeah using hilbert on bug

4/5 Gilbert oneshot go brrr

[undone ether]

hum i'm gonna be running Cynthia (5), Bertha and SC Lyra (1) for Steven

they dont do special attack, so SC Lyra's fine there + bertha dropping enemy ATK stat is nice.

hopefully we get status conditions up for next week hehe.

[wide adder]

Ignore ingo in Serena team for now since I can use whoever there. Does ground team need sand? And is Bertha nuke stronger than Courtney?

Og gladion is filler for ss gladion in teambuild

Gonna be trying him offtype

Instead of bothering with my steel team

[old orchid]

Bertha nukes stronger than Courtney yes

syncing with Courtney is more recommended, but Sonia taking first sync is fine

[wide adder]

Should I just have Courtney on a utility grid then or do Courtney nuke into Bertha nuke or something or use someone other than Bertha for the third

[old orchid]

Bertha is fine, if she is 3/5

[wide adder]

(Tbolt red and n are both 1/5 btw but I imagine it’d be enough to decimate electric anyway)

Bertha 5/5

[old orchid]

up to you tbh, because it seems you want to nuke with Bertha

[wide adder]

I’m just figuring out what my options are for ground when I’m using Serena elsewhere

Cause my ground team has usually been Serena as the dps but it’s finally a 3k where ground and dragon overlap

[old orchid]

Courtney's dps is alright, not as good as Serena's tho

[wide adder]

Yeah it’s hard for a lot of units out there other than fellow mfs to put a candle to Serena I imagine considering how nutty her dps was on release

And ofc some newer units but I mainly look at mfs the most when even considering non favs / lesser favs

[versed meteor]

Phoebe ghost zone is pre sync also why tf does she have like 10000k hp

[old orchid]

Because CMarnie is broken

[dull yarrow]

Phoebe is so annoying this week

yikes

[undone ether]

Sentry Entry x2 😦

i would've used Akari but meh.

i haave NC Marnie to 2/5, might as well.

[keen jasper]

Eh, I sleep cheesed Phoebe before she had a chance to use Ghost Wish

[silver dirge]

Akari does not care about Sentry Entry x2 in the slightest

[keen jasper]

I wonder if she can help me do 4k pts. against Phoebe

[silver dirge]

Hmm what move level?

[keen jasper]

Let's assume 1/5

[undone ether]

really? Hum. well... i wanted to use NC Marnie 2/5 anyways @_@

[keen jasper]

EX and EX roled

[silver dirge]

You have SC Zinnia right?

I suspect that could work

[keen jasper]

Eh, still 1/5

Gave my 2 tech canides to SS Roxie

[silver dirge]

Yes, Sentry Entry x2 is just off-typing with SE damage. Akari doesn't struggle with off-type

[undone ether]

even at 1/5? D;

[silver dirge]

Yep

[undone ether]

Hmm

[silver dirge]

My 4k off-type Dark team was NC Marnie + Akari + NC Calem. Marnie's the obvious carry there but I suspect a good tech nuke would go a long way as well

[undone ether]

guess i'll try Akari + SC Zinnia then 😮

[keen jasper]

I'd love to get SC Steven when SC event reruns

[silver dirge]

SC Steven is a godsend yeah

[undone ether]

if she can do 1/5 sheningans, i can Field Candy x2 Holiday Viola

amen for SC Steven o/

[keen jasper]

I'd love to see SC Zinnia hit funny numbers even against someone like dark-weak Phoebe

[old orchid]

Me running SC Steven with Hugh more than any ontype dmg dealers

[silver dirge]

SC Steven + Palmer is also a great pairing

[peak stirrup]

Pidgeot/Swanna/Swellow should be enough for Sydney, right?

[keen jasper]

Should be

[crystal notch]

SC Steven with Nessa is also really nice

3 turn setup for maximum of her multipliers

[versed meteor]

Somehow i have ss diantha but dread every 3k rock weak

[noble plaza]

Who can tank this round for 3k? I already used NC Blue

[brave halo]

Try lodge dawn?

[silver dirge]

Well it would depend entirely on your parameters, but yes, Lodge Dawn would probably work while giving Karen a dedicated SpAtk support

[noble plaza]

Lodge Dawn is a bit frail

[silver dirge]

You've got SpDef buffs & SpA debuffing, she should be able to hold her own with some lucky move rotations. What round is this?

[noble plaza]

R4

[silver dirge]

Yea that should be fine, have you given it a shot?

[noble plaza]

Should I sync with Dawn or Karen first?

[sharp willow]

Karen needs to sync to unlock her DPS move, she should be the top priority

[brave halo]

Oh yeah I forgot about that, uhhh OK that slot opened up a lot

[peak stirrup]

I’m pairing NC Blue with Karen but she just doesn’t do enough damage

[rotund lagoon]

What’s her move level and is she gridded?

[mellow linden]

Also who's the 3rd teammate

[peak stirrup]

She’s 5/5 EX, I’ve been trying a few different in the last slot but no notable difference

I gridded her for aggravation and overpower on dark pulse

[tired sleet]

Are you using Devastation?

[lean lion]

Do you have champion Serena? I got 3k with 2/5 non ex Karen + Cerena

[rotund lagoon]

Did you check the #1009587872342478908 examples for her?

[peak stirrup]

The grid is from the document that has all the grids

[peak stirrup]

I do but I need her for water stage

[rotund lagoon]

Show the grid you used.

[lean lion]

Unfortunate...the AOE flinch on Brutal Swing helps tremendously for presyncing

[peak stirrup]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/6200/22900?s=3&l=140&r=6&p=0&a=13010602&g=AAECAwQFHyIoKissLS4vMDEzNA

[rotund lagoon]

Honestly

This grid will be much better for you

[peak stirrup]

It would be nice if I had someone to trigger DF/FF 5

[sharp willow]

karen does Foul Fighting 5 well enough herself i guess, Dark Pulse with aggravation 2

[brave halo]

So who gonna be more important for week 4 cs in terms of first sync? Forgot Riley releases tomorrow or Monday whichever day

[sharp willow]

i would probably prioritise Korrina, Riley isnt gonna have his EX unless you want to not wait for all his custom power ups, and he isnt getting too much benefit out of his sync without that

Cynthia first if you have her EX Role

[brave halo]

Yeah she's 1/5 exroled

And true never planned to even sync with Riley when korrina is ex over there

[mellow linden]

If you’re not gonna Sync with Riley then I’d honestly say skip running him and run an offensive buffer for Korrina instead

Because Korrina is gonna take way too long to set herself up given her lack of easily applicable modifiers

Then again, it probably won’t matter quite all that much, so eh

Can just try triple Lucario and make adjustments if it fails

[brave halo]

Yeah the whole point is gonna be triple lucario like triple special pikachu next week

[undone ether]

Triple Special Pikachu next week be MC/Pikachu, Ash/Pikachu and Chase/Pikachu? 😮

[brave halo]

Take a look closely and you'll notice something funny

[undone ether]

ohhhhh

[brave halo]

You get it? It only works when in this way of team positioning

[tulip python]

Rng was good to me on that Glacia round haha

Bea died towards the end of it and I clutched the win with Lucario

Drake wasn’t too bad when you synergize Moltres Leer spam and Morty Sun

Champion melts to the beast that is Urshifu; 90k sync move on Aggron

[lean lion]

Trying to replicate my run against Phoebe. And with good flinch RNG, Phoebe can't even reach Ghost Wish. If mid survived long enough I could get to 3 sync moves before their first. Flinch is hilarious. And the sides are at -4/-5 accuracy by the time they become a threat to Karen or Cerena.

[rich needle]

I don’t get it at all

[nimble shell]

so tired of phoebe to a point that i go off type with pika duo

sentry entry blocking gren duo and akari is so annoying

[old orchid]

that shouldnt block them at all

even at 1/5

[nimble shell]

saving gren duo for steven

akari alone not enough dmg

[old orchid]

Cerena doesnt need to be paired with CCalem

also you can use other Water types or Cyrus for Steven, and Karen for Phoebe

[nimble shell]

karen didnt work out

cant kill before sync and the sync is ohko for me

[keen jasper]

I used Cerena/CCalem/OG Serena

[old orchid]

that shouldnt happen when you do quad queue

Karen + any Dark Zone setter should work nicely

[nimble shell]

for zone

akari only have 1 uses, need to overlap the ghost zone before my sync

also not very sure abt should i double karen sync or sup then karen or akari then karen

[old orchid]

do you have egg Umbreon?

[nimble shell]

they set zone?

[old orchid]

yes

[cinder summit]

Player & Umbreon

Stalwart:

Sp. Def cannot be lowered.

Move Gauge Refresh 2:

Has a chance (30%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.

Umbral Acceleration 2:

Quickly charges the move gauge when the zone is a Dark Zone.

Themes:

Dark | Main Character

[keen jasper]

The 2023 eggmon Eeveelutions give field

[nimble shell]

stay eevee cause not shiny

[old orchid]

then its basically unusable

since you aim to pre sync, lvl 1 Umbreon is enough

if you dont want to invest on it

[nimble shell]

want to keep my egg lab full shiny

thanks anyway, new info for me

[main crow]

This is like 12 hours late but do you perhaps have the special damage reduction param on by accident?

[open copper]

Can someone tell me how do I beat 3k Phoebe?

She taking 0 DMG from both physical and special

[old orchid]

what team and parameters are you running?

[left storm]

Is your Karen exed?

[open copper]

No, but I have 3/5 cyrus

[open copper]

Currently trying cyrus, NC leaf, and rotom

[open copper]

These params, round 2

[old orchid]

that team shouldnt struggle like at all, you can even replace NC Leaf with Karen and let Cyrus spam Dark Void and still win

you shouldnt pick Half Ally MP param, and Power on Hit params are free ones

strike and tech x3 damage as well

[swift swan]

stacking max HP4 on top of strength 10 might be your issue

go for power on hit

[old orchid]

with Cyrus sleep chaining you can even pick all Attack params without too much issue

[open copper]

I did it

Just had to try more times

But thanks anyways

[left storm]

If you have Cyrus it's free yes

This works too if anyone that's kinda new and has an exed karen

Is having problems

Yes, I did bring an egg umbreon with no WTZ condition

What you gonna do about it

(I literally just wanted a third useless wheel and shiny umbreon looks cool)

[open copper]

Ok I seriously need help with steven

I don't have any good water dmg

[silver dirge]

Do you have 3/5 Kris by any chance?

[open copper]

5/5

Exed

[silver dirge]

Well there you go Kris is phenomenal

[open copper]

But it's just not enough

[silver dirge]

What's the team?

And parameters

[silver dirge]

Should be pretty solid

Are you going for EX sync first, Kris sync second?

[open copper]

It's a weird rng I'm getting, sometimes I can queue a move after sync and sometimes the opponent queues it before me

Kris second

But I cant

[silver dirge]

What round parameter are you choosing?

[open copper]

Disruptions

[silver dirge]

Also, if SS Blue is hit by a move right before you sync with him, that'll disable quad queue because of Team Shout

[open copper]

Oh

That's why

[silver dirge]

Mhm

So you either deny that move with a Winona flinch, or you pick up Adrenaline 1 on Blue's grid

[open copper]

Ok thanks

[silver dirge]

[open copper]

Also is it skill issue that sometimes I quad queue successfully and sometimes not? Or is it kinda rng

[left storm]

You need to learn the timing

It's not RNG

Unless there's some external issue

[open copper]

I'm playing on pixel 7, the game runs like shit on anything other than iphone and snapdragon

So I hope it's because of that

[lean lion]

With adr on Blue and quad queue post sync you should be able to nuke all 3 Pokémon presync

[old orchid]

some passive prevent you from doing quad queue, like SS Blue's Team Shout

[open copper]

Yeah but I mean that when it's possible

When I try to quad queue without the game sped by 3 it's literally impossible

And then still it's rng if I can get the timing right

[old orchid]

then it comes down to timing

[silver dirge]

The timing comes down to your personal comfort, I find it easiest to quad on x3 speed. But others will find x2 or default easier

[lean lion]

Isn't Blue also kinda slow in buffing Kris?

Or does he get better past 1/5?

[open copper]

After second sync😿

[silver dirge]

You're right, he's still a little slow but there are improvements at 3/5

[silver dirge]

Can you send your parameters?

And you may want to consider a better physical offensive support like Trout suggested

[left storm]

Stuff like Hilbert works better with offensive params

Also you could give up rain for a Def debuffer instead

[old orchid]

rain is the stronger boost than -6 def

[lean lion]

Was about to ask this

[silver dirge]

It's also the debuffs are more effective param

[open copper]

Changed blue for this stinky thing

[silver dirge]

Ay pretty close

[open copper]

And it works

[silver dirge]

bestie why was blue there if you had Acerola

Make sure you space out those rain dances so that

• They replace Acerola's sunny day
• Have as much up-time as possible

[open copper]

I won in that screenshot

But thanks for tips

[silver dirge]

Oh you got it

Nicely done

[open copper]

I need to get a strong water DMG asap

The only type I'm lacking in power

[silver dirge]

Kris is arguably the strongest gen pool unit on-type

[open copper]

Also the only rain dance setters I have both stink

[lean lion]

I won't take Kris slander haha..she's really freakin strong

[silver dirge]

That she is!

[open copper]

Also got Vaporeon and lyra but never found a good use for that

[frozen fossil]

After spending days grinding Flying-type gear, I decided to poison stall it. That finally did the trick.

[left storm]

You're not forced to run a unit just for it tho

[old orchid]

just saying

[left storm]

Yeye

Anyway

Lodge Rosa better

ignore the busted 1/5 unit

[frozen fossil]

Can I on-type Round 4 Phoebe with my available units?

[swift swan]

3/5 Karen? Sure

She has a good nuke. Sides will be tricky though

[silver dirge]

Pins updated

Steel weak glacia here we come

[old orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-masters-glacia-skill-issue-gif-25731584

[silver dirge]

oops I recommended defog for weather removal

let me fix

[old orchid]

Should have sent the gif a bit later

[paper summit]

time to return that Helper role, smh

[silver dirge]

[lean lion]

Rebuff counters Acute senses right?

[silver dirge]

It does, yes, but much easier is to just turn on gradual healing for them

That's a status change and disables it

[lean lion]

Oh right

Sometimes grad healing becomes a problem though but I'll try that first

[silver dirge]

It's usually a pretty free parameter, you can pick those pts, drop that much worth off bulk and you'll overall be doing better

[lean lion]

Right Cyrus should be able to nuke past any small heals they might get

[silver dirge]

indeed

[lean lion]

I'm so excited for a new CSMM haha

[silver dirge]

I love to see enthusiasm for CS

[keen jasper]

Right, you're definitely gonna have fun with steel-weak Glacia \

[silver dirge]

[frozen fossil]

I'm stuck on Phoebe. My team consists of Karen, Brendan/Latios, and Lucian. I deal almost no damage to Phoebe, and she knocks out my entire party with her Sync Move.

[silver dirge]

Have you had a look at the presets in the pins for paremeters? As well as the guide for 3k?

As nicely as I can put it, those are pretty horrible parameters. Standard Damage Reduction isn't picked up, even though you're on-typing

Defense 3 is a huge roadblock to any pre-sync clear

Hold on

Ignore all that

[frozen fossil]

It's the other way round.

[silver dirge]

You're right, my bad, disregard the above

[frozen fossil]

No problems, you were probably distracted by my Pickle Chungus.

[silver dirge]

Lemi have a better look

Alrighty, so, much better params than what I was thinking

What move level is your Karen?

[frozen fossil]

3

[silver dirge]

You're syncing with Karen first? And have Satisfied Snarl picked up?

[frozen fossil]

Yes. This is my grid.

[silver dirge]

Grid looks not too bad, I'd drop the toxic chance and a sync node, go for Sync Power Flux instead

Since you've got the SpDef debuffing covered by SS Brendan, you can afford to drop Lucian in place of something else. Do you have egg Umbreon by any chance?

[frozen fossil]

I don't. These are all my (non-Egg) Sync Pairs.

[silver dirge]

Are you getting in 2 syncs before they sync?

Instead of Lucian you can opt for an extra flinch bot for interruption

Winona would work

[frozen fossil]

I'm only getting in one Sync.

[silver dirge]

Try flinch one of their moves after your sync (or quad queue), that way you'll be able to get 2 before they sync

As long as you triple queue consistently

[rotund lagoon]

Hey another nickel (cause I also misread those params helping someone once)
Damn I hate PoMa Tools parameters’ UI

[silver dirge]

Same Everything else about PoMatools is amazing, but the params UI always confuses me

[sharp willow]

yeah it gets me too sometimes

[brave halo]

Look really close, specifically something being spelled out

[frozen fossil]

With a lot of luck, I can get off enough flinches to get a second Sync Move off. But then Banette still is at over half health and uses its Sync Move. I also have to keep relying on RNG to refill my Move Gauge.

[frozen fossil]

Can Phoebe be Poison stalled?

[sharp willow]

i cant see why she wouldnt be able to

[keen jasper]

All stages can be stalled

[sharp willow]

though surviving the ghost zone sync with a poison stall team might be a bit awkward, im sure its possible

[frozen fossil]

I already did use Janine and SS Leaf for a previous stall. Which of my remaining Sync Pairs would be good for stalling?

[crystal notch]

Lucy can do poison sfall

[sharp willow]

Lucy inflicts Badly Poison and Trap statuses, BP Erika would also do the same, so one of those two.

You want a tank who can heal themselves and the team as a whole well, BP Morty or Lodge Leaf would be good choices

The last pair would be best off doing debuffing for the team to survive better, ideally both attack and special attack since Phoebe uses both kinds of attacks, Lodge Leaf does this for Special Attack already. Karen would work fairly well as well.

You will need to invest in some of the pairs ive recommended from the info your tracker has given, but what i personally would start off trying would be Lucy / BP Morty / Karen.

[frozen fossil]

Would Ghetsis over Karen also work? Or is the AOE debuff more useful than debuffing both Physical and Special Attack?

[sharp willow]

Ghetsis would also work fine, yeah

[rotund lagoon]

Yeah if Double Drop is gridded, you shouldn’t have to use it a lot

[brave halo]

OK since there was discussion some days ago about my big team, will this look better if I'm still having sshilbert? I'm just gonna have to deal with the dark zone regardless

[rotund lagoon]

….we said to give him a reliable Sp Atk/Crit support, didn’t we?

[brave halo]

He's already raising his spatk anyway, the crit is taken care of by himself, morty and Elaine all at once

The thing I realized I didn't have was speed raising so in comes morty for both sun boost gauge and speed raising by tm and passive

[rotund lagoon]

The point is that Hilbert needs to reduce time setting up himself. Providing the type of support I specified helps with that.

You also have no one helping lower Sp Df on opponents for Hilbert.

I also genuinely do not get why Elaine is even there.

[steel kelp]

Why is Elaine even a support

Why she do

[rotund lagoon]

You know, I ask the exact same question myself, I genuinely do not understand her

[brave halo]

He already drops spdef by metal sound which is what I would've been clicking mostly regardless

[rotund lagoon]

……..what.

[steel kelp]

Why you clicking metal sound

Hilbert should be blastin

[rotund lagoon]

Hilbert is the damage dealer here, he should not be hitting that even once.

We cannot keep telling you the same thing over and over and over again.

[steel kelp]

dw they’re gonna ask again tomorrow

[brave halo]

Offensive drops and aoe flinching

[steel kelp]

What

[rotund lagoon]

Offensive debuffs are niche, you need to focus on basic needs for your damage dealer first.

[mellow linden]

I'm gonna be 100% honest, I don't think you've fully grasped why we always bring up reducing the damage-dealer's setup time, so I'm gonna go over it briefly:

Your SS Hilbert, in this scenario, is going to have to spend:

• 1 turn on his Trainer Move
• 3 turns on Metal Sound

That's up to 4 turns used that could instead be spent on Techno Blasts, resulting in lower damage output, and thus resulting in more time and/or difficulty clearing the stage.

If you were to outsource those tasks to the Support and/or 3rd teammate, that's a lot more Techno Blasts that can be squeezed in, which leads to higher damage output and thus less time and/or difficulty in clearing the stage

And if you're clearing the stage faster with that higher damage output, your need for offensive debuffs will greatly decrease as a direct result

[brave halo]

I'm having the debuff specifically so I don't die in one hit thanks to Sidney sync, cause it will happen regardless

[mellow linden]

The thing is

That higher damage output can (and should) prevent Sidney from Syncing in the first place

[north crown]

oh my lord this kinda thing is still happening?

[steel kelp]

Yes

[brave halo]

Also there is literally nobody else I can work with here for spdef drops, especially when I would've been told it would've been a waste

[rotund lagoon]

Lucian????

[steel kelp]

Where’s Lucian

[manic kiln]

learn to quadqueue i watched a few of your clear vids, why do you still have to postsync with OP units

[north crown]

well, not many pairs can debuff spdef as fast as SSHilbert so like

[brave halo]

He's in ground with naomi and ncblue

[rotund lagoon]

Also if you tried the things we suggest, you can see the difference. Please do not be stubborn here.

[steel kelp]

It’s speed

[rotund lagoon]

Naomi needs Sand, we told you this.

[steel kelp]

They’re stubborn

[north crown]

... Doesn't Naomi want sandstorm?

[steel kelp]

I know from experience

[mellow linden]

Where's the Sand/Ground Zone for Naomi

She needs at least one or the other

[rotund lagoon]

Sand the most important

[mellow linden]

Yeah, Sand is generally better to have for her

[north crown]

I love how we're all on the same consensus right from the get go regarding the lack of importance Lucian brings to Naomi's team

[brave halo]

Something I also realized, lucian is weak to Sidney so one sync and he's dead

[mellow linden]

Again

[rotund lagoon]

As a Naomi defender, she is one of the few pairs where Lucian cannot be slotted in for her.

[steel kelp]

Wow

It’s almost like if he’s dead it won’t matter

[mellow linden]

Sidney can be prevented from Syncing easily

[steel kelp]

But that’s a crazy thought

[rotund lagoon]

It sounds like you just are avoiding the subject and are not listening to us. That is genuinely disrespectful, and is where I cross the line.

[steel kelp]

Not our problem if they don’t clear

[mellow linden]

If Bugsy + Lusamine can beat Bug weak Lucian in Sinnoh CS before he Syncs, then SS Hilbert should have no issues beating Bug weak Sidney in Hoenn CS before he Syncs

Bug weak Lucian is bulkier than Bug weak Sidney

[brave halo]

How was I avoiding the subject when I'm finding flaws and weaknesses to who's been suggested?

[north crown]

what the hell...

[steel kelp]

pepega

[mellow linden]

What it comes across as is you finding irrelevant issues and trying to invalidate the advice based on that

Because you're making the false assumption that it is impossible to KO the center before they Sync

And basing all reception to advice on that false assumption

[rotund lagoon]

I would not be mad if this was the first offense. But it is not.

[steel kelp]

They’re known for ignoring advice

[rotund lagoon]

So unless you heed our advice, you are going to be stuck in the same hole.

[north crown]

I remember when I had to witness this bs over a year ago

[brave halo]

I even did that earlier grabbing irida and apparently that was heresy

[mellow linden]

If you're gonna use Irida you're better off just off-typing at that point

When Lucian is free (because Naomi prefers a Sandstorm setter over him) and all you need is Sp. Def. debuffs it's hard to justify shoehorning Irida onto a team purely for those Sp. Def. debuffs

But that's largely beside the point, the biggest issue is that you're getting hung up on false assumptions and/or irrelevant details and by doing so are making things harder on yourself unnecessarily

[brave halo]

Honestly I'm about to go Physical bug cause I noticed Snarl is on both Sidney and a side and I know they'll just aoe spam which will make Sshilbert lose all his buffs

[rotund lagoon]

I thought Crit bypasses Sp Atk debuffs on yourself

[mellow linden]

You can just reset if too many Snarls happen

It's not guaranteed to be used

[rotund lagoon]

Also I have a 1/5 SS Hilbert and had no problem with this

[brave halo]

Might actually let me use SC ingo toothinking about it

[rotund lagoon]

But also please just try what we suggest so you see the importance.

[north crown]

bro you have a zone unit... what the actual fuck

[mellow linden]

Regardless, one thing that will significantly help you is to stop assuming that it's impossible to pre-Sync

Because by doing so you're blinding yourself to the ways that will help you pre-Sync and thus making things unnecessarily more difficult for yourself

[brave halo]

Which one are you referring to, ingo or irida?

[mellow linden]

I assume Ingo since that's the one whose Zone would help SS Hilbert against Sidney

[brave halo]

I was originally going to use him before but apparently it wouldn't work by what I was told before

[mellow linden]

His Zone obviously helps, he just doesn't have much going for him outside of Zone on an SS Hilbert team. That's probably where the confusion originated

[brave halo]

Which is why I opted for irida next

[mellow linden]

What specifically led you to consider Irida? Her contributions to SS Hilbert are basically the same as or worse than SC Ingo

[brave halo]

She drops spdef, even speed on the side, and then sets up zone to remove dark zone

[mellow linden]

Speed debuffs are meaningless to SS Hilbert unless he's 5/5 and specifically gridded for it, and enemy Dark Zone isn't nearly as big of a problem as it might seem when running SS Hilbert against a Bug weak stage

So with Irida it largely boils down to "at that point just put her with another Ice damge-dealer and off-type the stage"

[brave halo]

By that time, it led me to removing her for ssmorty for defense and speed buffing, and even crit stuff too, I don't need to click crit tm on Sshilbert at all

I knew regardless I'd be clicking the other tm for free sync countdown

[mellow linden]

SS Hilbert doesn't have any Sync accel in his kit

[brave halo]

I know that

[lean lion]

I think by free sync cd they mean -1 without using gauge

[mellow linden]

Ah

[brave halo]

Yeah that's what I meant

[rotund lagoon]

I feel like with the time you’re going on and on about this stuff, you could try a team we suggest you instead

[mellow linden]

That's not really something SS Hilbert should need with a proper team, his Trainer Move is mainly used for a quick Supereffective Up before Sync

[rotund lagoon]

Idk about you, but I’m a huge visual learner, so I understand a lot by using the pairs and the team comps.

Watching how the outputs are different just by changing the members is a huge game changer.

[mellow linden]

Anyway, I highly recommend trying out some of the suggested teams and if need be getting some help with troubleshooting if you have trouble with those teams

If we suggest a team setup it's for a good reason, and oftentimes it's because one or more of the people suggesting the team have directly experienced success with it

Worst case scenario the only thing you have to lose is the time spent on the attempts

[brave halo]

Can I at least try this then for physical cause the whole point I originally wanted to do was sc ingo but wasn't sure who to use then, and it was between guzma or gladion in terms of physical bug

And my tactics are messed up

[mellow linden]

No one's stopping you from ignoring our advice and you can still roll with SC Ingo + SS Hilbert if you want (Bug Zone is Bug Zone), please do not ask for advice/opinions and then act like we're forcing you into something when you don't agree with the advice/opinions you're given

[sharp willow]

it does, but the spatk debuffs will still mess with raised offenses that crits arent doing anything to bypass, that is something of an issue i suppose

[frozen fossil]

Update: I've finally beaten Phoebe by Poison stalling. I had to replace Morty with Victor/Greedent. Greedent was a great help due to its Ghost Resist, which I have enhanced by adding another Ghost Resist as Lucky Skill.
(Funny/Sad story: I originally planned on giving Morty Ghost Resist, but I first needed to unlock his Lucky Skill slot, so I went to the Battle Villa until I got enough Scrolls, used them on Morty and then gave him Ghost Resist. Unfortunately, I gave it to Morty/Drifblim instead of Morty/Mismagius.)

[mellow linden]

No shame in Poison stall, it's an age-old tradition and I'll be doing that against Steel-weak Glacia tomorrow because I don't have any special Steel damage-dealers

[sharp willow]

if it works, it works

and it worked for you, thats the main thing that matters

[brave halo]

No Raihan?

[mellow linden]

If I had him I wouldn't be Poison stalling

[frozen fossil]

I didn't think I could pull off two Poison stalls, because I usually use Leaf/Venusaur for the AOE Poison and Janine for Venom Drench, Cross Poison Accuracy reduction and Evasion.
But I did manage it, thanks to all here who helped me.

For Steven, would Winona, Kris/Feraligatr (EX), and Hilbert/Samurott (EX) be a good team?
This is my current team.

[sharp willow]

if Kris and Hilbert are both 3/5 or higher for their move level then it should do well enough, doesnt hurt to give it a try at least

[mellow linden]

If you can grid Kris with Critical Focus it should work out

Otherwise you'll need to run a different Support since Hilbert can't buff crit at 1/5

[brave halo]

Will admit I wish I had 3/5 sc jasmine but I'm stuck at 1/5 but eh I got mix red for spdef drops

[mellow linden]

Also make sure you pick up Haymaker, Pinpoint Entry, Inertia, and Super Powered from Kris' grid

[frozen fossil]

This is my grid setup.

[lean lion]

I say go Leaf Eevee instead of Hilbert. Grid for TM MPR, berserker bunch and critical squad. Use Kris TM twice and x attack once. Leaf can take care of both crit and remaining +4 atk.

[sharp willow]

i would remove the Waterfall power tiles in favor of Critical Focus

[rotund lagoon]

This seems better, and I would do Dynamic Entry or First Aid 4 for last tile

The amount of extra blue and Waterfall tiles you took would mean there are better yellow or red tiles (depending on the grid) to take over that.

[brave halo]

Would it hurt to try lodge rosa over Winona here?

[rotund lagoon]

Field effects are better to use than debuffs.

But it also depends on the team members.

When it comes to rain, sun, sand, those are more accessible.