#Champion Stadium
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I just took two supports who healed and said yolo
Immediate Grusha use
One mistake I made with the params is I used Tech x3 DMG instead of Striker x3 DMG on Cynthia
Sorry for pinging but I'm having another problem. Running Blaine + EX SS Blue. But Hilda is 2/5 so I'm not maxing crit. Should I go with another supp?
She needs 3/5 no?
Only 1/5
What supports do you have?
Wait ill send a picture of all my supp and the teams I'm using
Ok
For Lucian I'm gonna replace Karen with Sidney
And I have 1/5 Gordie if he'll be better for Sun + Fire rebuff with Hilda
Falkner is a bit frail
Was about to say this, if you can handle being less defensive
I would try Hop
Falkner can fully boost offenses
Hop already in the dark team
But we can change hop from dark team, since they don't need that extra crit/defenses
If you use Hop instead of SSBlue
You can put SS blue on the other team
I'll have to rely on Blue's passive to max Serena's atk though
Max crit but only +2 atk on TM
nc serena, i assume? that's fine, she hits hard anyway
How about Shauna instead?
Yeah nc Serena
Then I can use SS Blue with Red instead of Skyla
He doesn't need that much help anyway
You can thank me after clearing 
I am trying to do R1 Flint with NC Rosa and SS Lana, but...I can't beat Flint before he syncs, and neither NC Rosa nor SS Lana can survive his sync
What are your parameters?
These units are bulky
If they're dying to sync
Then you're running heavily offensive presync
Parameters
O i need to read better, SS lana not lana
Well nc Rosa still bulky
I need help with CS, I'll share my units and if you can just tell me the teams I'll try to use em
My supports
Tech
Strickers
Maybe try R1 Aaron with burn
Have not started with any battle need 2 pieces dark and ground
Yeah you're doing hyper offensive parameter
You cannot afford taking a sync
Even if you eat a sync and live, you won't survive past it
Ss Lana may find it difficult to finish off Flint in time unless using sleep hax from NC Rosa
Either clear pre-sync or change parameters
SS Dawn
Flint already has high sp atk stat plus +2 sp atk and high bulk
Rosa bmove then 2 TM, lana TM then use terrain twice. Debuff defense. Sync with ex support then Bmove lana to clear
Ditch ssdawn, deadweight, use bp clemont

Wait, Lana already generates terrain on debut, tho?
And yeah, I am already using NC Rosa's TM
The idea is stacking pmun to one shot
Delay your sync till you use all buff, debuff
That was with 8 PMUN and -6 def for mid, sides are weak don’t need to debuff them
Non ex lana
Sheesh fonni numbars
Full str and atk parameters
Wait Neo Psycho Cut is physical?
The more you know
Zen headbutt Deoxys duh


Isn't it funny how people struggle to have a good support without NC Rosa but I have NC Rosa but No units that are strong and pair with her very well ok maybe a few but mostly nothing
Skill issue
NC Rosa is a bit unique, she can pretty much support all types. Just focuses on 2 with rebuffs
The rebuffs are neat but you stay for the consistent stacking
Probably cuz I didn't start strategically at 4th Anni to get most gems and good units
Like SS acerola is pretty nuts with grass because terrain on entry and extended but that doesn’t mean you can’t also use her with other physical units
Cynthia consistently being the easiest part of sinnoh cs
Next week will be I can do the funny
The Champions are rarely ever the hard stages
Ever heard of Poison weak Wallace? Don't think so. But Steel Weak Glacia will send a shiver down your spine

Maybe just me but
Nothing a Mawile can't handle
Just put the granny to sleep 
I can't access this thread's pins for some reasons on my phone
and I can't get to my notebook atm
Anyone knows how to access thread pins on mobile?
Basically this
Will this work for 4.2k
Nothing else would work with ghetsis tho
Since he eats gauge
I need that speed buff from lucian
what move level is your Leaf?
Leaf is your battery
some weather tech like Winona and Blaine can generate gauge
speed buffs from TM + Racing Rain
is Ghetsis gridded with TM MPR? he wont get max offensive buffs in that team
so replace winona for lucian?
i would change both Lucian and Leaf
leaf to?
she doesnt help Ghetsis much at 1/5
should i add SSA/Aaron?
They don’t help ghetsis

Didn't make all the changes yet, powered through with Hilda Blaine SS Blue. But I'll try again later tonight with different teams. Gonna try to get atleast 11-12k this week.
Thanks so much though! I know it'll be better with the changes you suggested.
Was I...not supposed to use a Special Attacker?
you can, probably have to postsync tho
Oh
Dark weak Lucian has Wise Entry x2, iirc
I mean, I am also using a Sp. Def debuffer
What's Caitlin doing there anyway
That’s not what wise entry x2 does
X2 means the base stat is doubled
Problem is that Karen's sync hits like wet paper
Because of WEx2
Buffing defenses
It’s not Karen’s fault
And how’s Karen getting buffs
Oh
Affordable physical Dark team is Masked Royal + Nessa + Attack/crit Support (Hop is a cheap one)
Oof...Masked Royal...
Depending on your roster more expensive options may be available
What he’s not bad
Yeah, Masked Royal is a great nuker
Hold on, lemme get a screenshot then
I did it with him and filbert
If you must avoid using MR then Sidney can work as the nuker
Here are my Dark type pairs
I’m assuming Fall Hilbert isn’t an option due to the level 1, so nothing really changes from what I’ve brought up except for BP Karen being able to replace Nessa if you have a lot of healing
I mean, I can level up Hilbert, I think? But what does he have to offer?
Nessa replacement option
Spur on is also helpful
Not really necessary
I keep forgetting nessa is an option
Anyway, Masked Royal/Sidney, Nessa/BP Karen/Fall Hilbert, and an Attack + crit Support is an easy physical Dark team
Also, for future reference Karen absolutely needs at least a Sp. Atk. or crit buffing Support
Fall Caitlin is a terrible Support for her
If you can get both Sp. Atk. and crit from the Support that’s fantastic
Why won't mid die
Do have No Status conditions enabled?
How’s the mid at full hp tho
archer works surprisingly well with nc calem
why does cynthia have fucking fire blast oh my god
Hostile Environment 4

teh sides have hostile environment 2 😭
Teh right one only has Fire Punch once, but the left one has Blizzard
well she one shot ss acerola cuz of sun boost
which is stupid
I just used Sycamore
hopefully tai is proud
thank god that Ball Guy exists ;_;l
Just had to get lucky with His TM MPR
GREAT NOW IT FUCKING CRIT
skill issue
melony is a good counter to cynthia this week
How?
in terms of extended safeguard and spdef buff
nullifies her hostile environment
also buffs accuracy for your DPS if you're doing post sync but not stalling

Wait they have Wise Entey 2 ?

No wonder Marnie deal less than i expect
yeah but still easy for her
Oh lmao I did this too and got one shot, never occured to me that I set sun for her 
Who did y'all use for half sync
flint
Is there somewhere I can find a guide for optimal/easy 3k parameters?
There's a guide in the pins with some tips, but it doesn't have a set of parameters since they're really dependent on the individual stage & team you're using
Doesn't help that this team is sadly extremely inconsistent: Hop dies before the enemy syncs, like, 80% of the time
Can try Aaron then, just make sure that like Hop he’s gridded for MP Refresh so he can max the team’s Attack and crit
Also, just in case you’re not doing it already, make sure to use Brutal Swing on Masked Royal so he can apply Defense debuffs to the sides as well, that + the bit of chip damage will help make cleanup easier
Bertha because i was memeing. Would have done Flint otherwise
A lot of psychic types love sync accel and thrive from half sync
also went Flint bc mega syncs
Aaron, because my Fire team is ridiculously strong (NC Leaf + SS Hilda + SS Morty)
Flint because my psychic team would eat him alive
tho I couldve picked any of them for r1
Me who has no idea who to choose cause all my teams for those types are busted 
Flint with SS Steven, NC Rosa and Anni May .-.
why does lucian take 0 damage
what's your team?
nc marnie nc calem and misty duck as filler
A few things:
- Blue is contributing basically nothing to an SST Red team, I’d recommend replacing him with a 2nd Electric damage-dealer and adjusting the Support as necessary.
- Giovanni really wants reliable Sp. Atk. buffs from the Support.
- Silver ideally wants a 2nd Sun setter due to how reliant his damage is on Sun being active.
- If Poison stalling Cynthia you may want to adjust the team to include an offensive debuffer. If you’re running Lucy as a damage-dealer I’d recommend going with a dual damage-dealer setup alongside Roxie + Scolipede (Looker works too if you have him).
Dark weak Lucian has doubled base Sp. Def.
So he takes way less damage from special moves
ok nc serena it is
NC Marnie under Dark Zone should still be able to win with relative ease if the parameters are fine, but if you have the ability to run physical it’ll likely be smoother
It happens
I’ve had the wrong Damage Reduction 8 turned on plenty of times, it’s an easy mistake to make
-Blue was there for a joke of doing Kantrio I'll change it regardless
-Ill try without changing the Flint team if not I'll swap Bianca/Rosa.
-Because of Ally Healing down I really can't afford to eat continous MegaHorn/Pin Missile so I used Iono to Raise Sp Atk and then Use Sun from his Sync to do Max damage since I don't have dauntless.
-And I'll switch Shauna for Roxie.
Thanks!
If you use Roxie + Lucy replace Sycamore
Shauna is the better Support for Roxie + Lucy
Oh ok but what about Burn?
It’s not guaranteed, so can just reset if it ends up being a problem
Should be alright to try, if something isn’t working we can always help troubleshoot
Alright Thanks!
SS Gio it would seem
does he have like flameproof
or did they just expect him to nuke cynthia down so it doesn't matter
nah its just a stage that does poison weak stage things
HE4 + r5 param though, DeNA should get out of the kitchen
they get the hostile environment parameter included with them, they usually want you to poison them
game tells you to use swimsuit misty for the burns specifically, Giovanni is recommended bc she has a post sync evasion gimmick apparently
she does
+3 eva I think?
after sync
so just pre sync her

also +1 sp atk for every eva
yeah ive literally never gotten to her sync move without resetting before
After making all suggested changes. Went from 7.5k first clear to this. Sorry for pinging again but thanks so much! To you and everyone else who helped out. Wouldn't be possible without you guys!
That's great, sinnoh is notoriously known as one of the hardest CSMM.
You're doing a great job 
I'm having a lot of fun. Love the challenge.
Last week's Bertha was painful. Steel weak + EQ spam was unbearable.
i offtyped it with nc leaf
I had to go with what I had cause low on resources. But next time I'll be ready with a proper team for her
Me who beat it in 2.5k with Registeel as tank and damage dealer Solgaleo

Dudes hate the Ground moves, but they still did it, whether they liked it or not 
uuuuuugh...I can now beat the middle and one of the sides if I'm lucky
but sadly, the other side still lives for long enough to fuck me up
...I know this team is doable for R2 Lucian, so I don't wanna give up on it just yet...but how can I possibly improve it?
why not use sonia over hop?
because Sonia won't allow me to quadqueue due to her passive
while Hop has Adrenaline
though anyways might be worth weaking the sides with jaw lock before killing mid
You can just use Aaron or, if using Sonia, reset until the opponent doesn’t use a damage move right before your 1st Sync
shouldn't you be syncing sidney first anyways?
If using Sidney it’s worth a shot at Syncing with him 1st and seeing if that works out, yeah
Anyway, for the alternative Supports, make sure that Aaron is gridded with MP Refresh if using him and that Sonia is gridded with Trainer Move MP Refresh and Critical Squad if using her, so that the team can be at max Attack and crit
hmm...hold on, lemme try out James first idea first
this week's stadium was way easier to get 15k
I posted my teams on #1010274591601598555
np
why do enemy syncs ignore endure 😢
yeah i was trying some kind of endure strat to survive 1 sync, but it doesn't work. haha
those are some solid teams! well done!
First time 12.5k. I am loving poison stall a lot. Haha
yea
Your teams bud?
And params if you don't mind
I wanna try and go for 12k+ this week too
pretty much standard 2.5k presets
R1 is very reset heavy, would not recommend. lol
you have to quadqueue blast burn into flame wheel to bypass endurance
Ghetsis working well against Bertha? I find it Guage becomes a problem when I use him
I'm off typing Bertha with Red this week
blue helps with x defense all, so that ghetsis doesn't die after 1 sync. pray they don't use EQ too much
originally had shauna for lucian tank, but she is psychic weak. hop fills same role (Atk/crit). could try aaron too
These are the teams I used
with EX'ed SSB, he does first sync for the +2 sync buff. then ghetsis' next sync will wipe out nidoking
i was thinking of off-typing bertha with SST Red too, but worried about earth weakness
Oh yeah
One Earthquake eats 80% of Red's health
But i can pre-sync so I just have to hope for no Earthquakes before that
ghetsis needs to be gridded for glaciate accuracy. miss generally equals reset
also it's pretty hard to use ghetsis because of 4 bar limit, and glaciate uses 4 bars
good thing about SSB is he effectively has 4 TM moves
Hala works
Also has haymaker at 2/5 so
I haven’t used him in forever but he’s good
i want to try Hala someday, but i think i will wait until i EX him first or something. lol
So you save 2 TMs for after support ex sync so you can use guage for Glaciate?
Wait how is ghetsis getting his buffs
i do mga > x def > x def > mga, then it's kinda pray you have enough speed
team shout lol
originally i had roxanne. but she dies in 2 hits
live and die by rng
Talk about RNG. It was hell trying to land poison on all 3 enemies with Koga. Regret not picking BP Erica now, can't wait to get her.
you can do like water pulse and try to squeeze out time to queue glaciate. i save both of winona's TM's for after blue uses sync
do you have drasna?
Yeah 1/5
She has guaranteed poison?
R5 has status up iirc
my comp is a bit jank. i rely on sycamore recuperation to tank. drasna has super freebie 9, so after you toxic, you can kinda spam sludge bomb for free moves to build up sync (until you start missing togekiss anyway)
Does he4 mean flint burns 50% of the time?
Yes
I presynced it pretty handily with Roxie Eevee and Koga at 2.4k. Just need more reliable poison to make it less RNG. Cause I'm my run I need to land poison back to back to back on all 3 so they can start damaging themselves. Otherwise I fall just short. Happened so many times that the 3rd died to poison after killing my team.
yeah i did poison stall. so janine/ariados for venom drench spam to get them to -6 atk/spatk, and watch them do 50 dmg per attack
very safe
yes
for the tank, i recommend someone that has some form of healing, and anti-burn. you shouldn't need too many heals
Hmm is there a recommended order for this round?
My current plan is Flint—>Lucian—> Bertha—> Aron
Just cause round 4 Aron is gonna get seriously wrecked by
N
only real advice is "use your strongest team first"
or a team that has a character that really wants their mega sync since half sync cooldown
R1 is the only real threat
the rest is pretty free
just be mindful R3 prevents quadqueue
Woo that was simpler than last week
Very satisfying to see Bertha die
Articuno you’re a god send
She has much lower HP this week
Thank god
And sand is easier to deal with than HS1
Yeah
Aron went down nicely too. Thank you Reshi and Moltres stacking
All on type this week too.
Hooboy, I YOLO-ed the shit out of Cynthia with SS Roxie and Emma
Using half-sync param against her
SS Roxie be wildin
Flint with +3 att and special param can one shot holi Jasmine 
Stopped by endurance but still
I wonder how much STR and offensive params you put
+6 +2 +1 all on
Also nothing feels better than putting bertha in a dumpster in her own weather
Can Blaine do decent damage if I grid him properly? I could really use something extra damage against Aaron. Running Blaine Hilda Hop.
Hilda is better for both regular dmg and sync
His DPS is ass, but his nuke is strong
blaine most of the time will be used as sun bot, there are better fire units
And yeah, Hilda is definitely better than Blaine
Blaine does help with the burn, trap and if needed with full grid can guaranteed crit nuke plus set sun on sync. Would be better paired with Silver than 2/5 Hilda though because 2/5 Hilda really can't afford to do dps
Can experiment with a burn stall with Blaine, Skyla and an attack debuffer like probably Mina or something for 2.5 K since Aaron does take quite a bit of damage with burn
Why does my Hilda keep missing crits with max crit?
Condition defense shield prevents crits?
Is it on Sync Move?
Yeah
Sync Moves have an innate -1 crit
It happens, fortunately it’s only a 20% chance, so odds are in your favor
And I have to pre sync or I get nuked, so gotta get quad queue right. Only to then miss the final crit. Very frustrating. Oh well
Okay i got it
Finally
I am trying to make Ss N with Grusha and NC Nate work against weak ice for 3k
But I am not sure how I should play out the parameters
Nvm I managed my 15 k this week 
How do I even do duos?
They just never do enough damage
Also how do I tell what medals dual type units are applicable for?
Sync determines the unit type
How do I beat flint?
His side units do too much damage
And Im not using a tank this fight
What if their sync move type changes
The primary one is the deciding one
Calem is dark
Serena is water
Silvally is normal
Flint is impossible while going for medals
Is it base stadium?
Yes
But where else am I supposed to use a rock unit
In any other of the 5 stages?
It really isn’t going to help if all you do when “asking for help” is to complain.
I recommend BP Olivia as a support against him if you're really desperate for a rock type there
She's pretty fine for the stage

I don’t have her
How new is your account?
Some weeks
And Gordie is better suited for a fire weak stage
Since he rebuffs
Use him against aaron
Wait oh I meant aaron and not flint
I was going against aaron this entire time
I have very bad memory
Mhhh
Weird, Aaron sides aren't that strong
It's heracross that's usually problematic
Their swift and earthquake do half my hp
Who are you using to buff defences
Gordie is ground weak so I definitely can see EQ doing half
Idk why swift would do as much
Tho
Why not use a support tho?
Also who's the DPS unit
Depending on the DPS doing support might be more worth than damage
Yeah just gives you ease of mind if you want to stop dying to random stuff
Gordie + Hilda + support should be an amazing play
He dies by then
He dies before I kill herracross
Are your units lvl 120 ?
Over that
Remove erika
And pick a support
Who do you have as support ?
And what move lvl is your gordie ?
Idt you need it
#1009557516369281075 message for my barracks
Every proper team needs a proper Support, you are going to need to know those fundamentals to beat these stages.
I hate aaron
I have like 4 grass tanks
I need to save grass for another stage
He does things
He can max crit and help the gauge
Obstruct is a more niche tool, but it also has its uses
You should take in the advices man
Use shauna to increase atk, gordies dynamax to bring sun + fire debuff, sync with silver
He cant tank any hits
Wise use of Obstruct will immensely increase his survivability
Also he can definitely take at least some hits, if he's getting one-shot from full health regardless of move then you're running him way below level 120
This tbh
I WON
why does obstruct have to be used at such specific times
Hes such a niche tank
Obstruct messes with the Sync countdown in most situations, so it takes more planning to use well
I thought he was gonna die because I used the move gauge up instead of obstructing and they had like 1 hp
Who should I fight now?
Well even if your Support goes down that doesn't automatically mean a loss
How many Elite 4 members have you already beat?
Actually, it doesn't really matter
Wait your previous medals carry over?
1
The most impactful round parameter is the one that sets Reflect at the start, and that's only because it prevents quadqueue
As long as you beat the champion on a given week the type medal progress made that week is saved for the region forever
So if you complete the type medal and beat the Champion this week you'll have Master Mode unlocked for Sinnoh CS forever
And you can get a max of 15 medals in a week out of the 18
So why do people come and ask for all medals solutions?
Each region has its own type medal
I just used gordie so how come I dont have it
Why does it say in progress
Because you haven't beaten the Champion this week
Oh
Like I said, it saves if you beat the Champion that week
You need to beat the champion
Did you beat the Champion last week?
Ye
Cynthia was easier than flint
If you used a Ghost type Sync Pair on the same week that you beat a Champion then Ghost should be filled out, it's possible that you mixed up weeks or something
I didnt
You told me to level acreola last week
And thats also the only week I got further than bertha
Check if you have hall of fame entry lol
Iirc you abandoned the CS chat midway through CS last week
Hall of fame won’t lie. Lol
If Acerola isn't in your Hall of Fame, it did not count
Oh yeah I must have swapped her out
I didn’t. I just stopped taking everyones advice because I was lossing all my resources
I have no idea how to beat the other elite 4 while getting medals
If we recommended investing resources it would have been with good reason. Worst case scenario you can always wait a day or 2 since it's a week long
I ended up leveling up brock
Oooft
For what it’s worth. I think Rock is a very easy medal to fit in since Roxanne is quite flexible
No one specifically called out Brock as a recommendation, you chose to do that yourself.
Anyway, Nessa can help with Lucian due to Jaw Lock providing Dark coverage and Nessa herself covering Water on the medal. Ice and Poison are types you need to cover on the medal, so teams for Bertha and Cynthia already have good starting points
Aaron is a good Attack + crit Support in general and provides Bug for type medal
Gordie is a great choice too for fire teams :0
Yeah gordie is 100% good. I tried him out this week
I didn’t play swsh so i have zero attachment to their chars except sonia and marnie who i see everywhere lol
Actually someone said you should use a rock unit then I said I dont have any good rock units then they said thats not true which heavily implies brock
But yes i am hoping he didn’t level brock for his rock medal…
Anyway I beat flint
They were quite easy
I used cyrus, gladion, and sycamore
But that means I dont have sycamore anymore
Who is very good despite being at low hp the entire match
Aaron
So Bertha and Lucian then, alright. Can get a minimum of at least Ice done against Bertha since she's weak to it and Nessa can provide at least a portion of damage output via Jaw Lock while filling Water on the medal against Lucian
I dont know how I didnt get dragon medal last week
Check what you used for hall of fame lol
Dont have any ice units
Hala and Ghetsis
No dragon types
Both are great options
Hala is level 1
Level 120 is cheap, or just use Ghetsis
Because someone told me hala sucked

Hala is good, idk who told you he "sucked"
Assuming they even used those words in the first place and didn't specify certain situations where he's less valuable
Anyway, either Hala or Ghetsis will fill out Ice
I dont remember
Wow bertha sucks
Beat her first try
And used acerola
Also no one ever told me faulkner is an amazing tank
Just gotta read their kits bro
He's not very bulky, per se, but if you don't need to worry about the Sync countdown then Fly dodges a lot of moves
Only problem is he cant fly ocer sync moves
Do you need our help anymore if you are able to clear now? ^^;;;
Yes
How do I get bug badge
This means I getting better at team building and playing the game
Before I wasnt able to find a team to beat flint and aaron
But I just did it
Aaron + Nessa + 3rd team member against Lucian should work wonders
This is also hard mode
And fill out 2 slots on type medal
Oh I have aaron
I wasnt able to do it before
I know, that's why I recommended him
Just cause you beat it here doesn’t necessarily mean the same teams are gonna work on master
Im getting better and thats what matters
And I wont have to worry about type medals on master
I can just streamroll through with my good units
so Aaron is a tank?
Most Supports are tanks. Aaron is particularly notable in terms of bulk thanks to Defend Order + one of his passives allowing him to buff the whole team's Defense and Sp. Def. (but that should wait until after he's buffed the team's Attack and crit as much as possible via his Trainer Move)
So faulkner is a tank then
If you can spare the Sync Orbs getting his Trainer Move MP Refresh is a great investment for both short term and long term, if not Nessa should be fine using her Trainer Move once
Bruh how many stupid cans does this game want me to have
Not as good at the role as some other options, but if need be he can act as one
I just used all my item exchange tickets on great aids+ but now it wants even more. I have so many ultra aids but no great ones
How far are you leveling?
If you're struggling to hit 120 you can try it with Aaron at a bit lower and see how it goes. Worst case scenario you need to come back to finish things up tomorrow
I wouldn’t even think tomorrow is the worst case, they have a week.
Was trying to go for 130
120 is fine
Stick to 120-125
Why?
120 is cheap and should be plenty sufficient for CS
I believe we have told you multiple times that level is just fine for content.
It starts getting a lot more expensive past 120, so it's generally best to focus on 120 for Sync Pairs you're using until you have a major stockpile of resources for going past that level
How good is wally
I need a fighting sync pair
Can run Maylene as a Fighting Sync Pair since she's a solid Support
Her support skills seem nice but Im running low on dps units
Hmm screw it Im going with maylene
Should I evolve her?
No reason not to
Yeah, evolution stones are extremely easy to come by
And the extra stats are always nice
Anyway, if I’m mathing out the type medal coverage you should at worst need to roll with Maylene + a Poison damage-dealer + a 3rd team member in the Champion fight
All these evolution chapters are easy
They’re intended to be
Im using maylene for lucian
Ah, then you should have total freedom to build around your damage-dealer in the Champion fight if you knock out Water + Bug + Fighting in this one
Since I assume you knocked out Ice fighting Bertha
Yes
Wally is overpowered
Wally exists
Wally is a solid option when fully setup, he just tends to require a little more help from teammates than other options (and he also greatly appreciates more Move Levels)
Marnie and toxicroak is so op
I was just spamming mudslap to do more sync move damage but then shauna died so I started using sludge wave
And sludge wave did so much damage
She's actually on the lower end of Poison damage-dealers, too. Just goes to show that you can make pretty much anyone work if you want
Anyway, congrats on the clear
So what now?
I'd recommend sticking with 850 points per stage (4250 points total) to start with when you do Master Mode since it has little to no difficulty increase over Hard Mode and also gets all the most important rewards
Can try your hand at Master Mode when you feel you're ready for it. Like I said above, 850 points per stage is a good starting point
In some comps, 850 pts is easier than hard mode because you can focus on team synergy instead of adding fillers to the team
It should be easy if I dont have to worry about type medals
There were points in hard mode?
No?
No, they're saying that Master Mode 850 points can potentially be easier than Hard Mode since you're not worrying about type medal
Is my wording not very clear? 
We have some parameter recommendations in the pins for 850 points
Time to put every buff on bertha because bertha is bad
No it was fine
If you don't understand what all the parameters do I'd recommend starting with 850 points per stage to get used to the mode
And the number one biggest thing I see in mistakes made from people new to the mode:
The 50-point Physical Damage Reduction and 50-point Special Damage Reduction parameters are free points as long as you're doing proper teambuilding. The 100-point Physical Damage Reduction 8 and 100-point Special Damage Reduction 8 parameters are not free points, and you need to make sure you pick the one that will not hinder your damage-dealer(s)
850 on lucian was easy
But now I used my best units
Thus lies the challenge of CS, you need to make sure you're spreading your strongest options across the 5 fights instead of throwing all your nukes at 1 stage
If need be you can reset and start over all you want now that Master Mode is unlocked
Albeit you might need to finish everything on Hard Mode first (I forget if you can reset at any time or only after clearing again)
Anyway, just make sure to follow the Teambuilding 101 guidelines and try to use damage-dealer who target the type weaknesses and it shouldn't be too bad
In MM you can reset anytime
Ah, thanks for the refresher on that
Well I used my best nuke best tank and best support on one stage
And if that turns out to present major trouble down the line you'll have learned to not do that
I dont have the barracks for this yet
Then you can always take a break and come back in a few days
This game is about small bursts of progress each day, don't tunnel-vision on instant gratification
that’s what the gacha is for
As a gambling enjoyer I like instant gratification. I rarely ever feel like Im getting long term gratification
Then it's entirely possible that this just isn't the game for you, and if that's the case then that's totally fine
Tbf the dailies are very timely
Only if you cleared once before per week
Hence why I always say people should try my weekly strat 
mb
i always reset my progress after i used weekly overkill teams
Is there a trick to quad queuing consistently? I'm doing Bertha at 2.7k w/ Skyla, SST Red and Winona. I start with Max move > Rain Dance > Skyla TM > Red TM. Then I'm trying to quad queue again after first sync. So I can get 2 syncs + 2 Buddy TB (post 2nd sync) in before Bertha syncs. But I keep failing one or the other and have to reset a lot. Is there a trick I'm missing or is it unreliable nmw?
What's the trick? Is there I video I can watch for the timing?
Or just trial and error until I get kinda used to it?
+quadqueue
Watch this footage (17s clip) : https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx3Nr07pJo2Noud7AwWW4yWQQIDbYsQTJQ
In this clip, when Flannery is about to Sync the opponent Aaron has nothing queue'd in the list. This leaves us with a very short window after the sync to queue a fourth move. Note in the clip how Flannery queues her TM before the opponent's High Horsepower. Look out for the orange "spiral aura" around your syncing Pokemon after the sync, the correct timing to queue is when that spiral is fading away, but you can also resort to button mashing!
The benefits of quad-queue is that it allows us to get two sync moves before the opponent's first one which is a game-changer if you're not using sync acceleration. A Sync Move does not count toward the Sync Countdown which is why without Quad-Queue or Sync Accel your second cycle usually leaves you at 1 countdown left when the opponent is using their Sync.
Note that Quad-Queue cannot be done under certain conditions that will make the opponent queue as your sync is executing :
- If a field effect (such as weather, zone, move gauge acceleration etc) expires on the turn you're syncing. Usually happens if a field effect was cast on entry or first turn.
- If an allied passive triggers an effect right after an enemy action completes (such as First Aid, Team Shout, Freevenge etc...)
17 seconds · Clipped by Dreamy (Pokemon Masters) · Original video "Sinnoh CS 2k Aaron Fire w/ Flannery" by Dreamy (Pokemon Masters)
Thanks so much!
Missing it by this much. Just gotta do a little better after 2nd sync. One b move away..
Also some round parameters may prevent quad queueing
Or terrain expiring
Or someone getting hit and triggering their on hit passive buffs
I planned for this. Getting first quad queue more consistently in now. Using Rain Dance as my 2nd move on Winona.
All i need to do now is queue one move after 2nd Red sync to prevent Bertha from queuing Eq. Spam bmove after sync, eat one EQ (which I can with all 3 pairs alive). Then Bmove to finish.
But yes, sometimes people just miss quad queues
Even I do 25% of the time
And have to reset
*a bit exaggerated but you get what I mean
You got this!
I mess up because I panic
that's so close, dw you got this
Congrats!!!
Now you know the thrill
Of teambuilding
And chasing that perfect run
Got slightly better at quad queuing
Made a world of difference
Thanks so much everyone!!
Yeah!!
quadqueueing is a gamechanger for presync CS, yeah
Quadqueueing is mostly easy if you know the animation timing of each unit
That is a very unhelpful comment
I mean, it's true right?
Most of the units have the same sync animation timing, some have different timings

You guys memorize them?
I just feel it out for each team I build for CSMM on the spot
I feel all of them have the same timing, including special cases like NC Rosa
Really? Rosa's feels different to me 
No need to memorize it imo, just tap as fast as possible

The form changing animation doesnt let you choose any moves, so you still have the same window to quad her TM
Doesn't the form changing animation add to the total time after the sync aura though?
That's what I usually use to time mine
I see Cynthia has the parameter status condition deal more damage, which means poison stall steam! What’s a good poison stall team for 3k?
BP Erika, BP Morty and Janine seem like a good one
May need to not use moves if burnt later on
There's many more combos which could definitely work
be careful, Cynthia has HE4 and spams fire blast so you will most likely get burned
have a flameproof/status immunity tank
Thank you
That doesn't work most of the time. Just saying
Depends on your device
neither does knowing the animation time depending on your device tbf
im having trouble with flint and lost my go-to parameters. can any of these psychic units beat him, and is there any on type parameter sets i can use?
which round is this?
round 4, im fine with resetting for a different one though
stat drop round
missing out on ss steven rlly screwed me huh
i can come back tmrw with a poketracker screenshot, just need to update it for the past 3 months
what params are you using? the team should tank Flint's attacks just fine
and who take the first sync?
THat team should beat flint
its ontype so Standard Damage Reduction is literally a free param
dont pick defense params as well, you are aiming to pre sync
also, always sync with Lusamine first
the pins have guide on 2.5k/3k pts CSMM, you should go check it out
i feel so dumb, i thought standard was on the whole time
🫠
thank you, i just completed csmm, all i needed was less defence
As a very easy rule of thumb, avoid defense like the plague if you are doing a standard damage run, whether it be post sync or pre sync
Defense 1 is fine sometimes, the rest are a huge no unless you are doing something like a poison stall
Lacking some damage against 2.8k (need it for 12.5k) Cynthia. Should I grid and lucky skill Koga? Someone else? Maybe give Roxie fifth star? Or use a different team and Poison stall instead?
you can toxic stall her just fine
With this team?
Lucy + Janine + Leaf
Do I need to grid or lucky skill Janine or Lucy? Or just leveling to 120 will be enough?
leveling up is enough
Alright I'll try
that team can do 3k pts btw
remember to grid Leaf with healing stuff and Potion Friend Mend to cure burn
Adrenaline not needed?
I see Janine can AOE sp atk debuff
So maybe I can survive a couple syncs?
Idk
you dont care about Adrenaline in stall teams
grid Recup so Leaf heals every time she syncs
Janine has aoe offensive debuffs yes, to soften enemies' attack up
Correct?
PoMaTools is a Pokémon Masters EX tool that helps users to plan their sync grids while simulating the possible damage outputs.
use this one instead
you still need Potion stuffs
Any suggestions for the 300 more points over 2500 poison stall params?
STR or Atk maybe?
Or max sync cd?
Str/atk sounds like it can be scary to bother with when stalling unless your tank is just “that bulky” or something imo, with how many sync cycles that can last
I haven’t touched stall in a hot minute though
i would choose strength params
R5 param boosts the effective of badly poison, so choosing Gradual Healing is not a bad idea
you want trap to stall faster
gradual healing's always good to take, toxic is exponential anyway you'll just need to survive a few more turns it's not a big deal
so dont pick interference immunity
Okay got it
can pick Ally HP halved on entry as well, because Leaf is a strong healer
trying grad heal + str 1 + strike x3
If damage becomes to too much ill try half ally hp
i told you that stall teams can easily do 3k 
Aurochs rejoicing in the background
stall is easy
Clefable took 15k poison damage off her last Blizzard lmao. Thanks so much Gakon! Got me my first 12.5k!
stall is even more easier on poison weak stages (usually)
and cynthia is one of these
albeit not the easiest
this CSMM is gonna be hard for me because i don’t have any good on-typers for the remaining stages
what i have left
fire and dark
and poison
for poison, you can do toxic stall
Fire is okay with Silver and proper supports
do you have Nessa?
yeah i do
Sidney + Nessa + a support is a good team then
how much pts are you aiming to on each stage?
i need round 3 done before that
the two i did were 1.5k and 1.7k
so you mean you are trying to get much pts as possible?
i guess?
rewards for maxing out points don’t seem worth the trouble for me rn so i’m just using points as like a personal high score thing
my PB is 5.5k total
does your Silver have Dauntless lucky skill?
what's up?
Ah... yeah Gakon's suggestions are already optimal. You should be able to get at least 1.5k relatively easily, provided the key units are gridded.
Help me with CS please, tell me teams for all the elite 4 I'm missing dark and ground pieces
Here are my units
Support
Have you tried making sample teams for each stage first? It's better if you get the hang of teambuilding yourself, and we can guide you along the way with feedback. Do the following as a general guide:
- Choose a damage dealer for each stage
- Carefully inspect the damage dealer's kit (passives, grid (where relevant), moves) and find what buffs they need, or what multipliers they'd like help setting up
- Choose support(s) that can help with the above
- If you have a free slot left over, you can opt for a utility pair like defensive debuffs, weather/terrain/zone, or simply just a filler type for your medal that you haven't completed yet
Post the teams here and we'll advise on any changes you should make
Internet is not working proper
If you don't want to use the tracker, also always easier to screenshot on a screen without the top team taking up space
Okay lemme just make teams then, I'll ask if they don't work
I'm just having a hard time getting dark and ground
Also look at the params below to see what params is used for each round and decide which E4 member you can use it against
Alright
Not sure if you even have a ground unit in there. Haven't you got Hapu. Roxanne is unfortunately rock
Do filter out for ground
I thought you saw a hidden Fall Roxanne in there somewhere so I didn't point it out 
Recommendations for next week's CSMM's Ghost weak wise entry Lucian and Fighting weak Cynthia?
And ground weak Aaron
I might have to offtype Bertha with SST Red. Cause it's a pain to deal with Earthquakes as Solgaleo
Bea would be a good pick for Fighting weak stages
Might have to off-type or Poison stall Lucian
Courtney can work for Aaron (just make sure to have a way of negating Acute Senses, be it Gradual Healing parameter or an interference effect/Rebuff)
Courney with clay might work for aaron
So clay + Courtney + supp who can cause any interference
I dunno if Clay would be that big of a boost to the team, but if solo damage-dealer Courtney ends up not working then you can potentially try adding Clay or Hapu to supplement damage
If you’re on Master Mode you can just turn on the Gradual Healing parameter
Because that negates Acute Senses
Only clay
No point gridding your Courtney since she’s 1/5
So she's there for Ground zone and some extra damage?
Yes
Okay got it
I'll run NC Rosa with Bea for the rebuff, should I bring another damage dealer or another supp to not waster Bea's turns maxing atk?
Not a problem I have the power ups
If you can bring an Attack buffer to save Bea some time on self-buffs that would be good
Maylene?
Yeah she works
She’s an option, as would Hilbert, Sonia, Aaron, or Hop
Even debuffs defence for bea and accuracy buffs
I might need Aaron and Hop for other teams. Wait I'll make my teams and share them.
What do you think?
Maybe run another electric damage dealer I staed of skyla
SS Blue and Skyla on the same team is redundant, you’d be better off rolling with a 2nd Electric damage-dealer + appropriate Support (so one that handles that 2nd damage-dealer’s needs) on a team for SST Red.
Otherwise it looks fine
Both damage dealers would be weak to almost all of Bertha's attacks
That’s not necessarily a problem
I think Red can do enough by himself to pre-sync, just needs to be kept alive
Someone with flinch might be good too or sleep
But wait ill see what else I can do
Sophocles Togedemaru?
Maxes his own atk, will get +2 crit from Blue and can flinch
I also have 1/5 Volkner but his flinch chance is lower
Neither of those pairs are really damage-dealers
Only other option is Hau Raichu but sides have wise entry. Go with him anyway?
I guess Red will take care of sides anyway
If those are all your options I guess it doesn’t matter all that much
Ok i think support ex role actually helps cserena on the dark type side of things more than i thought
I mean, support EX role is always nice.
It's just not as nice as some others might be
I like it for form changing units, like zygarde
CSerena didn't need supp ex imo. Sprint or striker would have been a better choice.
I also thought Support EXR was an odd choice
She would definitely benefit more from the other two.
Or hell, do a Field whose field effect changes between the sync types
Courtney team is screaming for gauge
It’s the thematics
Calem died for it
Also I forgot to use cerena instead of marnie oops
Wise entry moment
Also also wow Cynthia just fcking DIES to poison
It’s kinda insane
Another also
I’ve made an earthshatteringly sad discovery that should really be obvious but I’ve been using Emma usually
Jessie is completely fucking useless she has no dps and James is a better nuker

Oh well
Ncblue can carry them it’s fine
NCBlue carries the whole game
It feels like the 1st anniversary repeat
SSBlue carried everything back then
NCBlue…fail?!? 
Well legit I need to probably take off all the strength
So it’s just regular poison stall
But I’m lazy

Are you... Trying to poison stall with pre-sync params?
That's only slightly better
Mmm
What params do I use for this team
I'm trying both reductions off cuz I want lance's nuke
But I'm only able to get 2.9k params
Dunno what to slot in for 3k without crippling the team
What are your current parameters?
The problem isn't buffing
I can't get 3k pts without crippling team
The only okayish param I can apply is physical reduc
But that cuts off lance's nuke which i want
Can't go for defence either as lance does barely any damage with defence up
Brendan is there for SPD debuff btw
Sorry for pinging Gakon, but do you have any suggestions on how to fix this?
Replace Hop with someone like Hilbert or Sonia
Don't have either
That doesnt help. Bertha is fully physical
Is Leaf 3/5? If yes use her. Serena doesnt need such good support like her
Okay
Should I just swap hop and Leaf or put someone else with Serena to max sp atk?
Hop with Red, Leaf with Clay/Courtney, SS Blue with Serena
How about this?
That works. Be sure to grid Leaf with TM MPR, Critical Squad and Berserker Bunch

Does Bertha have something that completely reduces damage during weather
Lance doing 1k hyperbeam is very wrong
There's a PoMatools link in the pins, you can check her passives there
Man next week’s CS is looking pretty rough for me lol
No good attackers for lucian and aaron, and back to dodging EQ for bertha
you can brute force Lucian if you happen to have 3/5 Fantina, or just stall him
for Aaron, how is your Ground roster?
do you need debuffs?
Kinda?
So far I've come closest with nate 1st and second sync
I've come pretty close
Usually Bertha is 1 hit off or something like this(this is current params+max hp 4)
Just made my teams real quick. I was just excited to pull Bertha from sinnoh tix haha
i would use Lucas instead of Nate, because Lucas has on demand zone and benefits from SMUN
What move level is Courtney?
1
What would the 200 param be
the teams look okay, btw do you have Elesa or BP Sophocles?
Also use solgaleo instead of korrina for fighting
I have elesa/zebstrika, no bp sophocles but i can trade for him
Kgrimsley enough for bertha? Was thinking to do solgaleo sync nuke bertha + sides
no debuff + ally healing down, and take some atk and strength params off
What move level is krimsley?
what move level is she?
ally healing down already equipped,what would i replace str and atk params with
1
Extreme james copium why you use lance? You dont have any units for flinch sleep? Will be more easy
ah i mean ally HP down on entry
well Volkner can work with staggering, but i prefer damage
1.i want to offtype with lance,bored of cheese units
2.i used up sscyrus and lyra
Could use elio or serenafor sleep
Lance would work if you skipp special and physical damage since his main move is hyper beam
His nuke is physical
done,what to replace atk and str params for?
He sync whit nate for zone
changed to lucas on gakon's advice
i mean remove some atk and strength params if you have more points than 3k
Ah i was planning to use him mostly for electric terrain lol

can pick Team Stoic
But yeah i am not sure how the ground team will do, since both bertha and courtney are 1/5
and pray for ideal move rotation from Bertha






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