Champion Stadium

[crystal notch]

And Leaf

[pseudo drum]

Here

The params

[crystal notch]

@undone ether this was my ice type params

[manic mica]

Trying to off type this without using the main three waters I wanna bring to round 5 is a little rough lol

[rustic meteor]

Wow she survived with 1hp without endure lmao

[crystal notch]

I'll be back with team drafts

[pseudo drum]

How do I beat'em

[hollow swan]

What is next week stadium?

[old orchid]

You picked too many offensive params. Try lowering atk and adding some strengh params

[pseudo drum]

Ok

Thnx

[crystal notch]

Team drafts:
CBede/May/Cyrus
???/Nessa/SCSteven
???/SSGrimley/???

Unused water types:
1/5 Kris, 3/5 Starmie

Off type options (2.5k clears, who knows about 3k):
???/Steoxys/Musharna
SSACynthia/Bea or EXSolgaleo/???
???/Irida/SSilver
SSAcerola/Mayziken/Silver

Unused notable mons:
1/5 SCzinn, EXZinn

Supports:

Yeah so first of all most of the ??? are for supports

And second of all, I have no idea which team should go against which one

And whether offtyping is viable for 3k

[silver dirge]

SS Grimsley really appreciates Hilbert's buffs, you could pair them together & then a random rain setter like Winona or an Eggmon. That's the team I used against Malva

[tranquil bluff]

Is NCLeaf immune to Burn? I can’t find the pins on Mobile anymore because of the stupid update

[silver dirge]

Off-typing is viable yes, as long as you know your way around the parameters & what you're doing

[crystal notch]

Yeah, I think the latter part of the sentence is where I need to ask for help haha

I'm very familiar with 2.5k params

But 3k puts me at a loss

[silver dirge]

I don't see anything in her passives that would indicate so

(Opponent* NC Leaf) Ours has Team Solar Immunity

[tranquil bluff]

Ok, thanks. Was gonna use LySSandre against her so I needed to make sure.

[crystal notch]

Yeah that can work, which round should be for malva?

R2 is slotted for olivia

[silver dirge]

I did R2 which I would not recommend cos she hits like an absolute truck. If it works there it'll work on any other round

[crystal notch]

Blue/May/Cyrus had issues last time I tried against Flint

So I'm slotting CBede instead of Blue

[silver dirge]

I can't remember if Malva burns, idts tho

[tranquil bluff]

Doesn’t Flint have Wise Entry x2?

[crystal notch]

Will this backfire against Leaf...

Flint has Wise Entry?!

[old orchid]

She uses Will o Wisp before sync iirc

[silver dirge]

Nope

[calm marsh]

He just drops all your SpA

[old orchid]

He was made for SS Misty, so it doesnt make sense to give him WEx2

[silver dirge]

Ah, so just clear before she uses it or interference it somehow

[silver dirge]

Also if you haven't already do give our guide in the pins a read for 3k pts, might point you in the right direction

[tranquil bluff]

I couldn’t remember and the ingame tips says to use Physical attacks and doesn’t differentiate between what that means

[pseudo drum]

Still not working
Not dealing much dmg and getting destroyed pretty easily.
O and this is R2

[undone ether]

She has Go Viral 9 in case you let her Burn your support 😮

[silver dirge]

Yah it's the spAtk debuffs on entry

That's all

[calm marsh]

On every move too

[crystal notch]

Yeah, but I think I'm failing the balancing act HAH

[calm marsh]

So Heat Wave drop all team SpA

[silver dirge]

Oh damn mb I forgot 'bout that

[tranquil bluff]

I’m running Dojoria + Gladion against him anyway so I’m safe

[pseudo drum]

Should I do it in some other round

[silver dirge]

Are you disabling Malva's sun? That's not a lot of damage on them

[pseudo drum]

I am

[silver dirge]

I assume sync with sycamore first? Is he EX?

[pseudo drum]

Yea

[silver dirge]

Ah... you said R2

Don't do Malva R2

You're powering up her Overheats

[pseudo drum]

Ok

[silver dirge]

Olivia is best for R2 she's primarily physical

[pseudo drum]

Ok

I am doing this for Olivia but she tanks really well

Is there a gimmick to it?

(I want to save kris for flint)

[old orchid]

friendly reminder that there is info about every stage pinned here

Olivia doesnt have any gimmick

[crystal notch]

Ok finally beat down Flint R1 3k

[twin field]

I just did flint r1, whos a good r2?

[crystal notch]

Do I use Steoxys Musharna and a support to stop Olivia R2?

Or do Irida Sneasel

[old orchid]

Olivia

[old orchid]

both should work

[crystal notch]

My concern is that irida + ssilver needs to compensate for not being able to take either Phys dr8 or spec dr8

So probably can't do Leaf

[old orchid]

you can bring a dmg dealer + a spdef debuffer on Leaf's stage

[crystal notch]

Alright then, steoxys + Lucian + musharna can do Leaf

Is it a waste to use ss acerola here? Instead of the backup ss acerola - mayziken - silver team

Also yes I'll probably have to raise their levels

[old orchid]

you can try with other supports, like Aaron

[crystal notch]

Alright will do, thanks

[old orchid]

Aaron hasten Silver's buffs, and if you happen to have him at 3/5, he can buff acc too

[crystal notch]

True

Does SSilver want CS2?

Or would he prefer WW3

Unclear if I'll always run him with irida

So probably CS2?

[old orchid]

CS2 is for general use

WW3 is good only if you always use him under hail

[crystal notch]

Alright CS2 it is

Aaron just died to one rock tomb

Bad parameters?

[silver dirge]

Drop all the defense immediately

[crystal notch]

Ok, but what do I replace them with?

Don't tell me...max sync countdown -2?!

Max HP 4?

Ok yeah no one is surviving olivia's rock tomb

Not even Blue

[old orchid]

Did you pick Support get x3 dmg param? I dont see it in your screenshots

[crystal notch]

Nope+

Not at all

They just drop dead like flies

Trying to stall them with sleep results in this

[old orchid]

Try Hop then

[crystal notch]

But this is with half MP so...

Ok lemme try hop

[crystal notch]

Yep Hop survives

Nice

Just need to get my denial correctly

[verbal karma]

I can't beat R5 Hau with this team 😦

But I also sadly can't seem to make a better team either

The main problem is that Alder's Hyper Beam and sync simply don't hit hard enough

How do I solve this?

[hollow swan]

wow

i mean

you got a perfectly good 5/5 burgh right there

make a sun team

choose the perma field effect

alder is overrated anyways

at 1/5 no way he deals more damage than burgh

he's squishy sure

[verbal karma]

yeah, a 5/5 Burgh that kinda sucks tbh

[hollow swan]

but that doesn't mean he can't pump out the damage

[hollow swan]

what are your sun units?

Burgh's grid has furious brain, SE3

you deadass cannot tell me he's NOT stronger than a 1/5 Alder

[silver dirge]

You have SS Brendan, just go for Burgh + SS Brendan + Sun setter

[keen jasper]

That's cap, I did 4k pts. on a bug-weak stage with him

[verbal karma]

I already used SS Brendan

[silver dirge]

You've gotta stop presuming that all the gen pool units are bad, they're not.

Do you have SS Morty?

[hollow swan]

somebody forgot the grid expansions

[verbal karma]

nope

[hollow swan]

maybe that's why

[silver dirge]

Okay have you tried SpDef debuffer + Alder + SS Blue?

Lucian?

[verbal karma]

These are my only Sunny Day sync pairs

[verbal karma]

not yet

[hollow swan]

funny game

[silver dirge]

Give that a shot, make sure you're triple & quad queueing. EX supp sync first

[hollow swan]

hilbert is just 1/5, literally there to metal sound only

[crimson jewel]

I'd use raihan

[silver dirge]

Raihan .. for what?

[hollow swan]

sun

max move gives sun

choose the perma field node

[silver dirge]

Does the final stage have infinite field this week?

Ah

[hollow swan]

instant value

[hollow swan]

it does

forgot if it was innate or anything

but it does

aka the best one

[manic kiln]

But gen pool units are bad

Alder who

[crimson jewel]

💀

[manic kiln]

It’s not a meme clear or a joke or anything, this team actually very effective

Noland just spam fury cutter

[verbal karma]

damn, even with a Sp. Def debuffer like Lucian, Alder doesn't hit hard enough

[silver dirge]

Would you be able to record your gameplay?

[hollow swan]

Just

[verbal karma]

I am not presuming, though, I literally tried to use Burgh multiple times before, and he very consistently sucked

[hollow swan]

Use

Burgh

[crimson jewel]

The fact that I use sc ingo and emmet

[hollow swan]

for real

sp.def debuffer means

Smarty Pants for Burgh

SE3 for Burgh

just why Alder?

his gauge sucks even more

[verbal karma]

Hyper Beam

at least that was my hope

[crimson jewel]

Hyper beam

[verbal karma]

my bug sync pair selection is garbage tbh

[hollow swan]

Hyper Beam < All the previous multipliers

[keen jasper]

[crimson jewel]

Pull for ss viola then

[hollow swan]

restart and do the same exact hits. You'd see Burgh dealing more

[verbal karma]

but I am already saving up my gems for NC Rosa

[hollow swan]

oh yeah, did I mention that Hyper Beam can Miss at 1/5 Alder?

[crimson jewel]

[silver dirge]

Let's not give pulling advice in the help channels, that's counter intuitive

[crimson jewel]

Yea ur right ^^

[manic kiln]

1/5 alder has no multiplier, sp atk is the same as burgh, the only thing better is hyperbeam bp

[silver dirge]

Okay that's fine, I understand where you're coming from. But be open to try the others, we wouldn't recommend em if they would never work. Are you able to view videos? I can try record a clear with no grid Alder

[manic kiln]

You can only make him better with rebuff/zone/SMUN. Ssblue is useless in that team tbh

[silver dirge]

Yup, the two supports are redundant

[verbal karma]

SS Blue exists for Move Gauge Accel tbh

[verbal karma]

oh, I replaced Aaron with Lucian

[silver dirge]

That's better at least

[verbal karma]

yeah, but sadly still not good enough to win 😦

[mild hatch]

I just went for the gems. Absolutely nuked with Lysandre on one round.

[silver dirge]

Can we see your support roster?

[manic mica]

Well I have done my 15k, that had to be the most painful thing I've tried to do. This CSMM did not play around

[hollow swan]

for me this time

it's like

"how many broken units do i want to use"

some broken tactics still works like sleep or ss lyra flinch locking

[manic dust]

Holy moly this event made me a believer in OG Kris. Her plus SC Steven just WRECKED Flint

[manic mica]

I don't have many strong water types ATM so it was rough overall lol

Ended up candying my NC Serena at the end to 3/5 and I never knew numbers could get so big

[manic mica]

[manic kiln]

Burgh. 19k sync

Might want to fish for a no discharge run

[dreamy sigil]

Which round params did you use for her?

[vestal echo]

Just curious how hard is This special event State compared to the hard cs ones? If we talk 15k scores

[old orchid]

aside from Leaf stage, the rest is just a copy paste from regional CS stages

the difficulty of type CS comes from the roster (and skill)

[vestal echo]

Hm ok so i cant rly compare

Thx

[dreamy sigil]

Also doesn't grimsley need to use his tm to max out his crit rate?

[verbal karma]

how

[trail smelt]

Big problem is this is the debut of 3k Malva and Flint haha

[old orchid]

you dont need to use his TM when Hilbert is in the same team

[trail smelt]

Catch people by surprise

[old orchid]

they got hand

[manic kiln]

There’s nothing special tho just sun nuke build, bulu for sun and crit buff, dawn for sp atk/sp def, burgh just spam bug buzz then sync

Non ex burgh

Or you can try on a roll build for -sp def

1/5 alder also worked so must be parameter issues

[left storm]

Missed the funny screenshot but oh well

@whoever was saying May was mid because hard to support earlier

[dusty crater]

When I wanted to do an ontype only challenge but all my water damage dealers were used up.... had to improvise.

Ngl tho, rhydon surf dps kind of cracked

[twin field]

im a little stuck on r3 shauntal - currently using nessa+dreadnaw/Skyla+swanna/aaron+vespi

i get close but die to burn before i can finish

[left storm]

Yeah his surf dps is serviceable

Ice tho...

[dusty crater]

I only now just realized he has icy wind and not Blizzard.

[left storm]

Stage is special, so I think it's better to allot a spdef buffer like starmie over either aroon or skyla

[left storm]

He... Uhm...

Yeah

Don't try using that

[twin field]

ah who should i replace? both?

[left storm]

Unless you like pryce tier damage

[left storm]

Only one is fine, I think safer bet is swanna + misty for max speed and potions

Aaron gauge with misty and rainless Nessa sounds ehhh

[twin field]

i could use kris instead of nessa?

im just a little limited on raised units in general so wanting to make use of nessa

Ok i did it

Just

Starmie clutched

[lost gulch]

ngl this fire csmm rewards are pretty arse compared to normal cs

like spirits really

[manic mica]

Well not sure what the rewards for the previous special stadiums were, but these rewards seems fair to me considering it's a bonus on top of the regular CS we get

Plus extra gems

[paper summit]

they are always the same

[manic mica]

Then yeah the rewards seems fine imo

[twin field]

Lol

[unborn raft]

NC Nate’s Circle doesn’t count as a field effect?

[frozen minnow]

Off typed the first 4 so I had the kitchen sink for Leaf. 15k CSMM.

[twin field]

Now im struggling w r4 malva, currently trying w NC Serena/Sonia/Aaron but its rough

[frozen minnow]

To be fair it was a rough CSMM imo

I ended up using all my main water damage before I got to leaf with the plan to offtype with NC Marnie and that didn’t go well had to reset and redo it all.

[left storm]

Double eggmon every run

[paper summit]

plenty of people cleared with only water pairs, it's really not that bad

[left storm]

I lub my eggies

[paper summit]

and there is this lol

[dusty crater]

It's a shield effect, not a field effect.

[unborn raft]

Yea just noticed. I love it.

[left storm]

I'm used to 2v3 with one eggmon, but pasio CS with that self limitation is too much

Especially 3k

[dusty crater]

It does limit some gears with WTZ, but that's a very minor setback

[crystal notch]

Unsure what to do here. This required so many resets (if hop dies at any point its over) and it still wasn't enough

[left storm]

I wish I didn't have to whip out Lyra at the end tbh, I had 4/4 water tech going on but I don't have eusine nor a properly adapt 5th tech unit...

[rotund lagoon]

I would do Ghetsis over SS Silver, especially if Silver is 1/5

[left storm]

Are you using irida as main DPS/is she 3/5? If so it's probably best to focus on her for DPS as her nuke and buddy with MG9 are probably much better than silver's, especially considering mids TM cuts spdef by 2

[crystal notch]

Yep

3/5 on both irida

And ss silver

[left storm]

Mhhh

What grid are you running on her

[crystal notch]

The thing is, if any point hop dies its so over

Sparky's nuke grid

[left storm]

Uhhh nuke without ramp up on TM?

[crystal notch]

Irida's B move is always used on mid

I'm already consistently denying left

And quadqueueing too on that denial

Wasting both syncs on mid means death by sides

So I'm trying to nuke left and mid with one sync each

Irida's sync does 29k on mid

But it's still not enough

[crystal notch]

Yeah, this happened like 25 resets ago

Also hop often dies to any random iron head/stomping tantrum in the middle

If I don't get enough potion MPR

R2 btw

So Olivia isn't getting any juicing

[rotund lagoon]

Is your Ghetsis EX’d and PB’d?

[crystal notch]

Nope and nope!

That's why I didn't bring him

[left storm]

That irida grid is kinda whack imo

[crystal notch]

Hm

What should I swap out then

[rotund lagoon]

I run this one for Irida for power

[left storm]

What is satisfied snarl even doing for you

In this stage

[crystal notch]

Also sneasel's a bit of a deadweight here since I'm not using his sync

[rotund lagoon]

Ghetsis is one of Irida’s best partners btw

Should be fine whether he’s EX’d/PB’d or not

[left storm]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/28500/47100?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFFRgdIyUpKywt

I think silver is fine for easying up denials

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/13302/21500?s=3&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=13010602&g=AAECAwQFDA4RFBciJCcpKy8yMw

Maybe run this on him

To tank an extra hit

Through endure

[unborn raft]

Woo done, that was a lot of fun.

[crystal notch]

Ah, will do, thanks

[unborn raft]

So does this thing reset ?

[left storm]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/13302/21500?s=3&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=13010602&g=AAECAwQFDA4RFBciJCcpKy0uLzAy

[unborn raft]

Like the weekly

[left storm]

Actually this is better

More BP on axel

No loss since endurance gives you +5 ACC

So you can skip pinpoint

[crystal notch]

Ah, interesting

Is there any way to make hop last one more turn though

[rotund lagoon]

The Pasio CS, no. Event only.

[unborn raft]

Ok thanks for the info.

[crystal notch]

Otherwise I have to reset until Olivia doesn't try to kill him

Which is...a lot of resets

So, ghetsis or sneasel?

[rotund lagoon]

Do you have a Sp Atk Support for Ghetsis btw?

[left storm]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/24402/88901?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBhscHSAiIyQmKCksMDM1

Maybe this?

[left storm]

Depends, ghetsis is pretty gauge heavy so idk about him + irida

[crystal notch]

Nah, iron head can and will one shot on 60%

Also, params, for context

[crystal notch]

Yeah that's what I was avoiding

[left storm]

You'll need to grab a speed support to run ghetsis + irida

[crystal notch]

Anything else that isn't named hop gets nuked to high heavens

I can bring SSACynthia but then I might get deadlocked on Leaf

[left storm]

Can you screenshot your 6* supports

[left storm]

Also

Drop +5 atk

[crystal notch]

And replace it with?...

[left storm]

That parameter is never worth the 150pts

[crystal notch]

CBede is off the table byw

Btw

Why is 3k so hard

[paper summit]

that's the point

[hidden ore]

What water CS stage are people advising to not take as round 2?

[paper summit]

it's basically do Olivia on that one

everyone else will benefit

[hidden ore]

I did Olivia in round 1

[paper summit]

well then, not Malva or Flint, go with Shauntal I guess, the lesser evil

[mellow linden]

Depending on the team and parameters Flint can work, I did NC Calem + Nessa + C. Elesa against him on Round 2

[hidden ore]

Was considering beating Malva in #2 , but that’s not for her?

[mellow linden]

Malva is hyper offense in her moveset

[paper summit]

she hits like 10 trucks already without that parameter

[mellow linden]

Round 2 Malva is a death sentence

[hardy sparrow]

articuno and irida should be able to take down leaf right?

[hidden ore]

Gonna try Flint as r3 then Malva in r4

[verbal karma]

I can't win with this team either 😦

[rotund lagoon]

Absolutely.

[crystal notch]

finally got back from Olivia r2

3 hours of resets and I'm finally free

Thanks for the tips

[mellow linden]

Show us your point parameters, it’s clearly either a gameplay issue or a parameter issue at this point if you’re using the exact same team on the exact same stage with the exact same round parameter(s)

[crystal notch]

Adjusted the parameters some more, also for some reason endurance wasn't triggering on full hp?

[mellow linden]

Alternatively, just Poison stall Hau

[hardy sparrow]

cleared 15k! malva was the hardest but EX siebold proved to be the right call

[mellow linden]

You have too much Defense and Sp. Def. ^ parameters

[verbal karma]

Where?

I don't have any?

[mellow linden]

The 100-point Def. and Sp. Def. ^ 3 parameter

[verbal karma]

Oh...that's already too much?

[mellow linden]

That's a 30% boost to the defensive stats

If you're not Poison stalling you should pretty much always avoid the Defense and Sp. Def. ^ params except for the 50-point one

[verbal karma]

Okay, I could replace the 50-point Def^, but cannot find a good replacement for the 100-point Def^

[mellow linden]

Can try replacing both + the Tech x3 damage for Strength ^ 2

[crimson jewel]

I 4got I had him ._.

[rotund lagoon]

Remember #1010274591601598555 exists, you can make your own post there!

[hardy sparrow]

oh oops, mb😅

[crystal notch]

Happy to report that your irida grid did its job! (Alongside me dropping some parameters as you suggested)

Spectacular

Side note: hail turns out, chips sneasel so endurance doesn't work

[twin field]

Need some help for Malva R4, this is what i got left for water, can show off type too if need

Will show other clears if it helps

Can raise people

Only doing 850 per stage

[verbal karma]

Now Burgh dies too fast

Prior to that, Acerola died too fast

[mellow linden]

You might wanna consider Poison stall for now then

[verbal karma]

...

...do I have to?

[mellow linden]

Well it's either that or get the exact point parameters and round parameter the people who've showed you successful teams used

Or you could fine-tune your parameters on your own

Because it's either a parameter issue or a gameplay issue when it comes to your lack of success if you're copying a team exactly

[verbal karma]

...okay, let's go back to my old parameter set for now

The main reason why I couldn't win with that set is because SS Acerola simply dies too fast

So what should I change there to make it more doable?

[mellow linden]

Were you buffing Sp. Def. as early as possible?

[onyx ice]

Luckily there are lots of great water options and lots of rain setters

[verbal karma]

...I can buff Sp. Def?

[mellow linden]

Lodge Dawn's Trainer Move buffs the whole team's Sp. Def.

You're telling me you didn't even read her kit?

[verbal karma]

...I forgor 💀

[mellow linden]

Maybe see how it goes when you actually boost the team's survivability, then

[onyx ice]

Lodge adaman is a great tank for CS, but is a master Fair bogo

[verbal karma]

Damn, if Lodge Dawn buffs Sp. Def, then she cannot debuff Sp. Atk hard enough

Meaning that Burgh's sync only does 11k

Which is not enough

She can only debuff to -3 Sp. Atk after buffing Sp. Def instead of the usual -6

[rain turret]

I need help with olivia

Im trying with may,but its not enough

I want to save gloria for leaf

[rain turret]

https://tenor.com/view/nobody-reads-the-manual-sanjay-odd-odd-west-fairly-odd-parents-no-one-reads-the-handbook-gif-23883128

[mellow linden]

Burgh’s Sync Move has no reliance on Sp. Atk. debuffs

If he’s gridded for Smarty-Pants then it wants Sp. Def. debuffs

Now on the other side of the spectrum, is Burgh getting the Sp. Atk. buffs he needs? Is he at +6 Sp. Atk. by the time he Syncs?

[mellow linden]

Can try building a team around Kris. Make sure you bring a weather setter other than Sun (so Rain/Hail/Sandstorm)

[rain turret]

I cant beat olivia

tips?

[mellow linden]

Could you show your Water roster, and also what round is it?

As well as what point value (if any) you’re going for

[rain turret]

still R1

I wanted to save gloria for leaf

[rain turret]

15k

[mellow linden]

So first off, consider saving Olivia for Round 2 since all the other stages are heavily or entirely special moves

[rain turret]

ok

[mellow linden]

Given your Water roster you might have to off-type or Poison stall some of the stages, but you could try a Nessa team against Olivia

[rain turret]

yeah I was thinking on NC red, zerena and SS roxie for some off-type stages

my ex list

[mellow linden]

Can add SS Lana to your off-type options as well

[noble plaza]

Underleveled as in level or move level?

Who should I use versus Shauntal?

[mellow linden]

As long as you can manage/avoid the Will-O-Wisp the damage-dealer doesn’t particularly matter

[noble plaza]

Should I get a flincher/sleeper?

[sharp willow]

that'd work, I personally used Winona as a Rain/Flincher combined

[noble plaza]

I was thinking Winona too

[mellow linden]

Not necessarily, Will-O-Wisp happens right before Shauntal Syncs, so if you’re KOing the stage by then it won’t matter much

[noble plaza]

Usually I presync right when the opponent queues up the sync

[mellow linden]

Then you can probably do fine either way, can try both and see what works for you

[onyx ice]

If you are physical, burn still matters, but for special it doesn't much

[verbal karma]

I mean, the Furious Brain pop-up showed up for the sync attack

[verbal karma]

sadly, I don't have anyone who debuffs Sp. Def aside from Burgh, whose Sp. Def debuffs I...really cannot rely on due to how rarely they happen

[mellow linden]

1. Furious Brain does not affect Sync Moves, plain and simple.

2. Furious Brain is based on the passive-holder’s own Sp. Atk. buffs

[mellow linden]

On a Roll exists

[verbal karma]

ah, whoops, I misremembered Furious Brain

[verbal karma]

even with On A Roll, the debuffs almost never happen

I might have to replace Lodge Dawn with someone who can debuff Sp. Def AND buff Sp. Atk

[formal vigil]

ss brendan

[verbal karma]

sadly, I have already used SS Brendan

[mellow linden]

Well, go ahead and experiment with your options, I guess

[formal vigil]

can't burgh buff his own spak

[verbal karma]

...okay, just checked, and...yeah, I don't have any good options left

[verbal karma]

not fully

[formal vigil]

just put mp refresh

[mellow linden]

Just Poison stall or off-type if you don’t wanna try and make Burgh work

[verbal karma]

can't, I don't have any free sync grid slots left

[verbal karma]

well, I don't really wanna Poison stall or off-type either tbh...

...I technically wanted to make Alder work instead

[twin field]

Who would be good to free up? Kyogre?

Oh i see what u mean

Use kris

For R4

Ill give it a go

[left storm]

Hail doesn't chip as long as irida is alive

[twin field]

Does Winona work as a weather setter?

[left storm]

That said, nice to hear

[rotund lagoon]

Yep

[mellow linden]

Do you have SS Morty and if so is he available, perchance?

[rotund lagoon]

Here, I’ll bump this back up #1009554906568462476 message

[hidden ore]

Leaf is special, right?

[rotund lagoon]

I do not see him

[rotund lagoon]

All except for one move, but yes.

[mellow linden]

It's an unorthodox idea, but could try Lodge Elesa + Lucian + Alder if Alder is a must

An alternative could be SS Elesa + Burgh + Lucian and just deal with not having Sun, Smarty-Pants might be enough on its own

Or, as an additional alternative, get the exact grids/parameters the people who showed you successful teams used

Eliminate all variables except your own gameplay

[tulip rover]

What are the best options to use for the champion stadium? That is, presets.

[mellow linden]

Depends on your needs and preferences. We have some example parameter sets in the pins

If you're new to Master Mode I'd recommend starting with 850-1500 points per stage to get used to the mode

[hidden ore]

Hmm struggling a bit with Leaf, I want to use CCalem + May ex team, but I can’t find right pair to make this a good trio

[odd shore]

Yesterday I found myself getting more debuff triggers after I took the extra On a Roll’s off his grid

[verbal karma]

hmm...okay, found a way to get that extra On A Roll on his grid

[mellow linden]

The Leaf fight ideally wants a lot of debuffs due to the stage gimmick(s), so a pair with lots of debuffs would be ideal

[verbal karma]

I hope it'll work

[mellow linden]

…You should really pay better attention to the kits of the Sync Pairs people recommend to you

[verbal karma]

true...

[mellow linden]

I’d recommend checking with the person who originally showed you the successful team about what grids and parameters they used

[verbal karma]

finally won!

my first ever 15k

and it was with THIS team

[mellow linden]

Congrats! Something you might wanna consider doing is creating a #1010274591601598555 thread to act as a repository for your weekly CS clears. That way you have something to reference back to in case you forget which team you used on a given CS stage by the next time it runs

[zealous karma]

Ouch

[wicked pebble]

How does this look for fire CS?

[mellow linden]

I’m hesitant to recommend SS Acerola alongside SS Mina, but other than that just a recommendation to read up on the stages via pomatools and adjust your teams based on that as you go if need be

[wicked pebble]

Needing speed and attack, is the thing.

Not really many options there.

I'm saying fire since leader is NC Leaf.

Mind jumps to that, especially since all water weak.

[daring osprey]

Wait what’s the full parameters for post sync ontype clear

[old orchid]

for 2.5k set, then add more points to get to 3k

[noble plaza]

Physical or special for r2 olivia?

[rain turret]

Idk wtf Im messing up, but I cant get to do 3k at all in any stage,still stuck on R1

[noble plaza]

I had to use an ex striker for Shauntal with ex support

[noble plaza]

Seeing people using Kris for Olivia but I already used Kris for Shauntal 🫠

[paper summit]

I mean, the round parameter helps special units, that should be enough information

if anything, using Kris is wasting said parameter, if it was r2 as well that is

[rich needle]

Negh

I did do all ontype so mission accomplished but some of the teams were not fun

[zealous karma]

WTH is her sync on

[undone ether]

no Special Attack buffs on her? 😮

[undone ether]

man. she's got big boost in base SP.ATK :<

Malva clocks in at 1.3k SP.ATK

[zealous karma]

She’s actually at -6

[undone ether]

Her sync is SP.ATK

[zealous karma]

Ye I know AniMay debuffs spatk

[undone ether]

interesting.

presync i guess?

[zealous karma]

Ye

[undone ether]

yeah her offenses are kinda overkill :<

[crystal notch]

Are there better supports?

Should I deny left (? Is that even possible, nessa doesnt feel like shes nuking) or try to dps mid?

I'm not setting sun btw

My rain setter Winona is needed to support SS grimsley against Malva later

[dark osprey]

Denying left seems to be the more reliable way to go

Not sure if you can EX support sync and deny with dps on the left dps

Then nuke the centre

Can try with an offensive support maybe since Nessa should be jaw locking and razor shelling

If needed only go for SS acerola

[crystal notch]

Update: I'm getting murdered by aoe heat wave

[dark osprey]

Since you're using acerola EX could try first move jaw lock on the left then TM, then razor shell on the left itself. Can use one sword dance as the prior to Acerola sync, followed by Steven TM and a razor shell to deny left. Then focus on the centre and finally right

[noble plaza]

Should I use Nessa for Flint?

[old orchid]

The stage is anti special unless you bring stat debuff immunity (Mist...), so physical options are good there

[dark osprey]

Sorry. My bad. No need to jaw lock with Nessa while using SC Steven. He restraints himself

[crystal notch]

Yeah that's why I brought him

This is the closest I've got so far

I can't deny left with dps as it turns out

Probably will switch to R3 Malva instead of R3 Shauntal

[dark osprey]

Can try with ss blue if you have him maybe since the endurance on sync will help

[dark osprey]

Sorry for the ping. Maybe this will help. Note that the super effective and physical moves up are saved for the move after

[crystal notch]

This is with ss blue haha

Two heat waves and everyone's dead

*what I mean is that all my attempts so far

Has been with ss blue

[crystal notch]

Including this one

[old orchid]

What params are you using? I suggest using the post sync param set

[crystal notch]

Post sync?

I was pre syncing

Would the team survive post sync?

On 3k?

[old orchid]

In that case, use a defensive support

[crystal notch]

Blue sets endurance for the whole team

But he does only buff def so that's not ideal

[old orchid]

How about Aaron

[crystal notch]

Ah right I haven't tried him

[old orchid]

SS Blue buffs spdef by attacking, but its unreliable

[crystal notch]

So switch to Aaron, post sync...3k?

What do I add to 3k?

[silver dirge]

Try pre sync with Aaron first

SEUN boosted Nessa cakewalk sync should take out mid

Try delaying your sync by 1 turn so you can get all B-Leers in with Steven. If you can take out mid then the sync delay won't matter

[crystal notch]

Yeah that I don't doubt (have done it multiple times), but it's a matter of murdering the sides once mid is dead

[silver dirge]

Ah

[crystal notch]

What has happened so far is that mid dies on sync turn

Sides aoe

Nessa dies

[silver dirge]

Right

[crystal notch]

Nessa's dps is high enough to two shot

[silver dirge]

You could go for a 2nd Nessa sync then, and damage the sides as you get there

[crystal notch]

But she usually dies one hit before the enemy dies

[dark osprey]

That's why ss blue gives the extra endure to squeeze in probably. Easier if the side denials work

Can also try sync side denial

The side denial with adrenaline on SS Blue also helps avoiding the burn

[silver dirge]

Use your first sync to take out a side instead, ideally the one about to queue a move. 2nd sync will take out mid

[crystal notch]

Adrenaline?

On my 1/5 SS Blue

[silver dirge]

Don't need Adr1 if you sync with Nessa, bring Aaron over Blue

[crystal notch]

Ah

[silver dirge]

His offensive buffing is quicker

And he buffs spDef on demand

[crystal notch]

Shauntal R3 still makes sense right

[silver dirge]

Yep

[crystal notch]

Just realized my Aaron isn't gridded

How should I grid him? 2/5 so no natural cure sadge

[silver dirge]

There's nothing in his 2/5 grid you need for this battle

TM twice and Defend Order from there

[crystal notch]

Ok got it with Aaron!

Thanks!

[noble plaza]

WOW that was close

Should I use May as my DPS for Malva?

[swift swan]

sure

you want to change the weather anyway

go for a nuke grid

[rich needle]

With reflect you survive the first hit from leaf

As such

Use powerboost leaf

[crystal notch]

Anything I need to know against Malva?

Turned off no weather

So I'll have to make it up

Do I turn off no interference too?

And cope for flinches?

[old orchid]

You can use both May

[crystal notch]

May is spent already

Well, I can offtype Mayziken, if you want

[old orchid]

Mb, unstable connection

That was not to you

[crystal notch]

Understood

[pseudo drum]

Thanks 👍🏻

[rich needle]

Feel like colress a bit redundant

[swift swan]

that might help

Malva hits hard so you'll need a lot of resets to keep Hilbert alive long enough

[crystal notch]

Should I just blow SSA Cynthia here?

Would hilbert still benefit?

Would ss grimsley still have enough buffs?

2 supports seem excessive though

[swift swan]

fire weak, be careful

[crystal notch]

Yeah that's the problem

[swift swan]

tbf if there's anyone who can tank Malva, it'd be ssa cynthia

Hilbert and SS Grimsley is a good core. you just need to make sure Hilbert lives long enough

I'd run max offenses. Hilbert's most likely gonna die in like 4-5 hits anyway. Might as well make Malva hit hard but make her frail

[crystal notch]

I'll get screenshot of grim's grid when I arrive back home

[swift swan]

you're gonna reset a lot, like it or not

[crystal notch]

What's the consensus with strength parameters now with 3k?

I remember back in 2.5k everyone just stacks strength to high heavens

[manic kiln]

still str and atk if your nuke is strong enough i guess you can take a few hp

[rich needle]

I take mixed but I’m a weirdo so don’t do that

[silver dirge]

Honestly just depends on your team & the stage. When you play around with the parameters enough, you eventually get an understanding of what works best for your team and what to tweak when you need to

[rich needle]

I tweak the team and not the parame because I’m a lazy

[swift swan]

taking too much strength runs the risk of having to postsync and it's getting harder to do that with 3k since you have to add some HP even if you do use strength 12

[silver dirge]

The harder regions have legitimate sync multipliers have fun post syncing there

[swift swan]

the consensus is to use strength to complete the remaining points, not to stack them as a baseline

i always pick strength last and only if I can't pick anything else anymore

[pseudo drum]

I really can't figure out why this keeps happening, should I get a better support?

[silver dirge]

Can you send your parameters?

[pseudo drum]

K

Here

Golem is a really good tank

[undone ether]

Id grab the physical damage reduction and remove the def up 1

[pseudo drum]

O and this is r2

Ok

[silver dirge]

Yep, the 50pts damage reductions are bypassed by crits anyway

[pseudo drum]

Really? Dinno that

[silver dirge]

Yup it's just Reflect/Light Screen

[pseudo drum]

Great
Thanks

[silver dirge]

Are you consistently triple queuing?

[pseudo drum]

? I know quadqueing

[silver dirge]

+triplequeue

[frozen depot]

In Pokemon Masters, the battles revolve around using your Sync Move as fast as possible.
Using moves will reduce its cooldown, which is also the case for the opponent!
This is why you always want all your pairs on the field to have moves queue'd.
Have 3 ally moves in between each 1 enemy move, even at the start!
After 9 moves, you can wait to queue your Sync.

See this quick footage for how to Triple Queue :
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/928038965129392151/1126108077519802378/5www4z.mp4

For more beginner infos, check our #1010307000346878062.

[silver dirge]

QQ shouldn't be too crucial since you've got flinches with Rei

[pseudo drum]

O i do this

[silver dirge]

Do you have an EX support you can slot in there instead of Sonia?

[pseudo drum]

Yea

I just like to conservation

[silver dirge]

Yah that's fine, try it again but if all else fails you can put in your EX support, sync with them first & Rei 2nd sync. That should be pretty smooth clear

Also what's the Lucky Skill on Rei?

[pseudo drum]

Cs2

[silver dirge]

And Sonia/Colress?

[pseudo drum]

Vigilance ig

[silver dirge]

Okay, if you want (and have cookies) you can put Head Start 1 on one of your pairs, since Rei has -1 CDR with his passive and -1 with his TM. If you have one more sync accel that shaves off an entire turn (-3)

So in 2 rotations your first sync would be ready

[pseudo drum]

Ok
Let's try

Thnx

[silver dirge]

Np

[pseudo drum]

Thanks a lot
It really worked

[silver dirge]

Very nice

[pseudo drum]

Yes

All the other battles were carried by the stars

The last battle was so funny

[gritty nymph]

Im debating grimsley sharpedo or nessa on olivia for leaf cs

Leaning nessa but im afraid her razor shell can’t clean up the sides

[old orchid]

If Nessa cant, Grimsley cant either

Nessa has better dmg thân Grimsley

[gritty nymph]

I figured striker ex would make it easier with grim but yeah you’re right

[old orchid]

You can use both together

[mortal pine]

water is like the one type i don’t have good stuff for

well, not exactly, but my water type roster isn’t good anyway

[crystal notch]

Interesting, so we'd rather take some stuff like atk 3/def 3 over strength?

[old orchid]

nov's point is picking strength params to complete 3k pts. Also DONT pick any defense params unless you are going to toxic stall

[swift swan]

Attack 3 shouldn't hurt that much

Use attack as a baseline and complete the remaining points with strength

[left storm]

I always use STR as baseline for points

Always at least +9 STR

Most likely getting+10/11 too

Just don't get +5 atk ever, try avoiding+3 atk too on it

[silver dirge]

I disagree, I'd prioritise the attack params first

Edit: I may have misread that, I agree it would not be a good idea to stack attack on top of that much strength. But I would take all offenses then complete remaining pts with minimum strength

[old orchid]

||Is it normal if i imagine Arch saying this line with Colress' voice?||

[silver dirge]

If you're pre-syncing there's only a few moves you've gotta look out for, most tanks can take it even the more frail ones. It's also pretty easy to just reset for weak moves or deny strong moves

[silver dirge]

Idk what Colress sounds like ngl

[left storm]

It's not even remotely possible to compare +30 levels for 300 points to +50% damage taken for only 150 pts imo

Like, +10% for 50 pts is free

But +30% for 100 and especially+50% for 150 is imo not remotely worth it

Again, it's mostly just my opinion

[silver dirge]

I get what you're saying, but I still think if the tank can handle it or you've got some sort of denial I'd go for less bulk as possible to just get my damage output over & done with. I admittedly also have a bit of a warped perception because I avoid strength params like the plague HP & Offenses is my jam

[left storm]

I see

I guess it boils down to the kinda teams you use

[silver dirge]

It really just becomes a matter of your teams & preferences, yeah

[left storm]

I'm this kind of player

[silver dirge]

Okay yeah I can see why you don't want attack there

My fun teams lean more on OP Support, underrated DD so that checks out

[left storm]

I use that for 2v3s, still pick str because I only presync so I hate getting RNG checked by random AoE melting my DD

[silver dirge]

Mhm that's pretty fair

I like to see as big numbers as possible so if I can avoid strength I'll do so. Waiting for them to update params with Max HP 12

[left storm]

Same

Need bigger Palmer numbers

[twin field]

I give up on malva 😭 cant stay alive

Running out of mats to raise people

[old orchid]

You dont nees to run max points on her

Just beat her with lower or 0 point, then beat her again when you are ready

The CS stays for a while

[twin field]

Even on 0 cant do it so i think im just too weak rn

[silver dirge]

What's the team?

[twin field]

Kris Melanie Winona

Probs bad but i havent got alot to work with

[silver dirge]

Kris and Winona is a good start. What's Kris' move level?

[crystal notch]

It is normal, Colress' "I disagree" is just too iconic

Whoops sorry for pinh

[old orchid]

[silver dirge]

The forbidden Gakon ping prepare for his wrath

Oop nvm he's here

[twin field]

5

Move level is the one that goes up with dupes and candys right?

[sharp willow]

yeah it is

[keen jasper]

Boy, I cheesed 3 rounds of the Pasio CS

[lucid igloo]

I hated Round 2

[rain turret]

what were your parameters in R2?

[silver dirge]

Nice she hits like a truck with her grid & under rain which Winona has covered. Just give her some physical support to set her up faster and she should breeze through, someone like Aaron/Shauna/Sonia/Hilbert, Hop too but be careful iirc he's fire weak

[wicked junco]

Full monowater for the 15k

[keen jasper]

Ah yes, water HS 2.0

[wicked junco]

Only this time they don't use my own rain against me

[crystal notch]

H2.0 you mean?

[lucid igloo]

These and strength up 6 (I hope o got it right), it's on German but the positions are the same in each language

[tender timber]

Who's a better attacker for Champion Leaf in Hard Mode between Lyra&Feraligatr and SS Grimsley&Sharpedo? (Both at 1/5)

[keen jasper]

Neither

Also it's Kris/Feraligatr

[formal vigil]

none of them are that great at 1/5

better to use someone else or off type

[keen jasper]

Might as well use Barry unless you've used him

[tender timber]

Oh right Kris

Well that sucks

[calm grove]

is this better to sync skyla then hau or just do hau twice

[silver dirge]

What's the team, stage, hard mode or master mode? Unless I'm missing some context from before?

[hallow star]

This was a pain

Someone give me validation for my suffering . Especially shauntal was a pain

[hallow star]

[north crown]

... Shauntal? Isn't she one of the easier E4s to right?

[hallow star]

Idk I found her difficult

[sharp willow]

its 3k master mode and everyone's weak to water, her being one of the easier stages is probably making her seem more difficult

[north crown]

yeah I see Batsy's team suffering from lack of sync multiplers for Barry

[sharp willow]

bc you're not fully loading all your good pairs of a type and Shauntal is either the easiest or the second easiest of the 5 stages so you're gonna use weaker pairs against her than Flint or Malva

[north crown]

• they're doing full monotype, which is kind of a slog even by p2w players' standards

[hallow star]

My water roster

[silver dirge]

Monotype water nicely done. Loving the eggmons

[silver dirge]

[hallow star]

I tried using Marlon to tank but he's just.. so bad

[sharp willow]

yeah i probably wouldnt

i went the easy route and off-typed the supports though

[silver dirge]

The monotype was just a personal challenge hey? I'm guessing you knew what you were doing since 15k that 2nd clear with Barry is impressive

[hallow star]

Sometimes I question my sanity

But it was fun

Compared to some of you this is nothing though

[silver dirge]

You wouldn't be the only one

[buoyant yacht]

Hello guys. This is my first special stadium event. Sadly my water roster isnt as strong as most of you. Been doing 15k clear of weekly CSMM without any trouble, but this one is pretty hard. Still figuring out the parameters too.

What is the order of battle would you recommend? Especially in trying to get 3k clear each.

And whats the recommended parameters to use?

[mellow linden]

Only thing that’s particularly notable is that you should seriously consider saving Olivia for Round 2 since all the other stages use either mostly or entirely special moves. Otherwise it doesn’t matter much.

Parameters are dependent on team and playstyle as usual, especially for 3k per stage

[nimble shell]

Give up on malva, she hit so fking hard

[calm grove]

i forgot to post the image then fell asleep lmao

master mode and i'm going 2500

[rotund lagoon]

Skyla and Sonia are redundant. Plus Sonia does not help Hau in any way.

[paper summit]

there is the crit, but yeah, nothing else

[rotund lagoon]

Preferable Sonia’s on another team ^^;;

[undone ether]

My shauntal and olivia fights were my most difficult. Had to use multiple teams to try and clear.

[loud nacelle]

Parameters for shauntal? 3k mm. I must be doing something wrong. They hit so hard

[old orchid]

what is your team

[loud nacelle]

Hmm can i show my water types instead? Done with flint and olivia

Sorry for the ping. Im not sure who to use. @old orchid

Nor what to do lol

Been a while since im stuck in 3k mm

[old orchid]

you dont have to ping me, im a little busy rn. Someone else will help you making teams

to make less work, you can plan a dmg dealer for each round, then build a team around them. After finishing someone will give you feedback on them

[dark osprey]

Honestly can try a slightly budget team with Grimsley, swimsuit misty and a rain eggmon

Swimsuit misty helps with the sp defense buffs and healing

Can also try with Hilbert instead of swimsuit misty for easier setup but hope for less high damage moves

Alternatively can try with Cyrus, Siebold and an EX support of your choice

Would recommend Elio for sleep cheese

[viral sapphire]

Pasio special CS is normal CS with same type weakness right?

U can use other type pairs too or This is like high score event ?

[old orchid]

it works the same as normal CS

all stages except the Champion one are copy paste from other region CS stages

[viral sapphire]

Thanks

[verbal karma]

Just how bad of a time am I gonna have with the current Neo Champion Stadium?

[keen jasper]

You have some pretty good damage dealers for the special CS

[verbal karma]

But good enough for 15k?

[mellow linden]

In tandem with likely off-type and Poison stall options definitely

That’s roughly what I had available except no SS Kris and Eusine instead of NC Serena compared to me

[verbal karma]

Oh...I hope the off-type is reffering to the support and not the damage dealing

[silver dirge]

Off-typing never refers to the support

Support typing does not matter outside of HSE

[verbal karma]

Because I am generally trying to avoid off-type specifically in CS as much as possible

[silver dirge]

You've got some great damage dealers there. Eusine, Archie, Nessa, Kris, May, SS Grimsley

[verbal karma]

Because off-typing in CS was always
and I do mean always
a god damn nightmare

[silver dirge]

All that's left is good teambuilding & gameplay execution

[mellow linden]

On-type is definitely doable, I just mention off-type and Poison stall because some of those stages are a bit of a pain and an Ash nuke could be a better option than, say, trying to roll with a hypothetical Rainless SS Grimsley

[silver dirge]

Remember how you were undermining Burgh just recently and managed to clear with him? Be open to trying different things if it becomes necessary. I understand being put off of it due to some bad experiences, but you've just got to be willing to try & we can help you turn that around

[verbal karma]

I know I wanna use my typical Archie/May team for R5 because haha field effects go brrrrr

But that's about it

[manic kiln]

If you want to ontype then Archie and May is overkill, save May for flint or malva. With perma field archie entry rain should be enough, you can pair him with a sync nuke like barry/siebold to kill mid, and archie can take care of the sides

[verbal karma]

Ah, I see

Damn, I ran out of good damage dealers already

(Teams 96-100 are for Pasio CS)

[silver dirge]

Good start, you've still got Nessa

And SS Grimsley

[verbal karma]

Oh no, Nessa wants a Rain setter, too 😦

[silver dirge]

But like Cobalt said above, you'd actually have an easier time with something like Volkner + Ash than SS Grimsley

[silver dirge]

Do you have any eggmons? Quaxly, Blastoise, Vaporeon?

Although Nessa's nuke is strong enough with just cakewalk/relentless

[verbal karma]

I forgot I had Blastoise

Sadly no Vaporeon, though

[silver dirge]

You wouldn't have SC Steven would you?

Or an EX'd Sonia 3/5 perhaps?

[verbal karma]

Lmao nope

Oh, I do have Sonia

5/5 and EX'd

but no SC Steven

Anyway, Nessa team built

[silver dirge]

That's fine, Sonia can still help Nessa's relentless

[verbal karma]

Oh

Sonia for Nessa, not Hop

[silver dirge]

Yea that would be better

[verbal karma]

...damn, there is one problem with that

Sonia makes it almost impossible to quadqueue

[silver dirge]

Also this time just one round parameter is important so I'll let you know now, make sure you do Olivia R2 - she's predominantly physical so she doesn't benefit off the special moves power up. All the others are primarily special

[verbal karma]

Thanks, will try to remember

[silver dirge]

Shouldn't be too difficult to reset so they don't use an attacking move right before you queue, or you could LS Adr1

Also Kris will appreciate Hilbert's buffing, you can put him with her

[verbal karma]

1. I don't have enough Lucky Cookies to attempt Adrenaline
2. Sonia already needs Vigilance

[silver dirge]

The first point is fine, but for content like CS nat crits are very rare so it's usually foregoable. But if you don't have the Lucky Cookies it won't matter anyway

[verbal karma]

Wdym "crits are rare"? They happen to me so god damn often

[silver dirge]

It be like that sometimes, but it's supposed to be around 5%

Actually does anyone know what the actual number is? is it just the 1/24?

[sharp willow]

i think 1/16

[silver dirge]

Oh

[sharp willow]

or is that old main series odds

i always get the odds confused between pre-gen7 and post-gen7

[silver dirge]

Went from 1/16 -> 1/24, I think the latter should carry in PoMa but I'm not 100% sure

[sharp willow]

hm, bulbapedia is saying 1/8 for no crit rate modifier, i feel like that has to be wrong though

[silver dirge]

[sharp willow]

[silver dirge]

Hmm gamepress says 1/24

[sharp willow]

im more inclined to believe that

[silver dirge]

It does sound more reasonable yea

[verbal karma]

If only someone could hack into the game and and find out how it's actually coded for realsies

[silver dirge]

I'm sure someone knows the actual number lemi just @old orchid

Do you know if nat crits are just 1/24 like mainline?

[old orchid]

[silver dirge]

🏃‍♂️

[old orchid]

im not sure

[silver dirge]

Oop

[old orchid]

[silver dirge]

Time to ask in gen strat

[verbal karma]

Okay, so wait

Why exactly is Sonia preferable over Hop for the Nessa team?

[silver dirge]

Relentless

Sonia debuffs defence

[verbal karma]

I mean, so does Nessa

[silver dirge]

Yea but slowly. You ideally want close to -6 for the full multiplier

[verbal karma]

Hmm

[silver dirge]

Also Nessa is 50% no?

[verbal karma]

It is

[sharp willow]

yeah, razor shell is 50%

[silver dirge]

Yea thought so

[silver dirge]

Also depending on the stage, might be worth mentioning that Hop is fire weak

[mellow linden]

I’m gonna offer a huge tip:

If you’re not bringing Rain on your Nessa team, bring along your C. Elesa

Trainer Move eliminates the need for quadqueue and she can help setup both Cakewalk and Relentless

[manic kiln]

you also don't need to bring rain to every stages, nessa can clear fine without rain

[dark osprey]

There's also Cyrus and probably Barry for sync

[rich needle]

I used ncleaf with kris

Because kris dies so fast

[verbal karma]

Dw, I have an Egg Blastoise with rain

Anyway, one team built, 4 more left to go

Would May want sync nuke to assist her?

[mellow linden]

May’s gonna be the one Sync nuking, if anything you’d wanna do Cyrus or something for regular move damage

[verbal karma]

oooooh, I see

in that case, May, Cyrus, and a crit buffer

[silver dirge]

Special & crit buffer would be ideal, but yeah that works

[verbal karma]

I know the perfect candidate for that

2 teams down, 3 more to go

Who should Kris team up with?

[silver dirge]

Hilbert

[verbal karma]

and who else?

[silver dirge]

3rd could be supp Quaxly if you've got one, or simply a defense debuffer tbh

Also consider saving SS Brendan for Leaf instead, he'll help setup Siebold (& Archie) quickly, as well as giving you spDef buffs for your team & debuffs on opponents for more output. You also get the added benefit to Archie's master passive

Do you have any other special supports you can pair with Cyrus/May?

[silver dirge]

I see SC Jasmine or Sycamore here that could both work

SS Elesa too

[verbal karma]

Ah, thanks

[verbal karma]

Okay, will have to look for a good Defense debuffer then

How's this for Pasio CS teams?

Last one is for Leaf

[cold kestrel]

What’s the next cs for next week?

[mellow linden]

If Gladion’s focusing on Defense debuffs he’s not really gonna contribute much in the way of damage output, so you might as well run Nanu or Kukui instead

[verbal karma]

well, I had planned for Gladion to do both Defense debuffs and also support Kris with extra damage

[mellow linden]

The problem with that is that Gladion will likely be getting ~6 moves before the center goes down, can’t deal on-type damage while he lowers Defense (Crush Claw does not change type), and has to spend one of his turns in order to deal on-type damage at all

If you wanna give it a shot then go ahead, just keep in mind your alternatives for Defense debuffs if it doesn’t work out

[wooden imp]

Wait that's the wrong channel

Mb

[verbal karma]

Well, I still don't know which team to pick for which Round against which opponent

Aside from Team 100 for NC Leaf

and one specific team for R2 Olivia

[wooden imp]

Do round 2 on Olivia

[verbal karma]

Yeah, was planning to

[mellow linden]

Outside of Olivia being the best round 2 candidate it doesn’t really matter

Look at the round parameters, look at your teams, look at the stages (pomatools has all the info), make informed decisions

[wooden imp]

Use your rain setters on shauntal and malva

Other than that

Idk

[mellow linden]

No need to shoehorn anything, just look at what you’ve put together and find the best of those teams for the given situation

[wooden imp]

Actually that's a lie, Vaporeon is really great against flint but whether you need mist and haze is a you thing to decide

[verbal karma]

Well, I have 4 rain teams (one of them reserved for NC Leaf), so I have options

[wooden imp]

Make sure to have at least 1 rain ready post enemy sync to counter solarize/sunny day and you'll be fine

[verbal karma]

Oh...I don't do post sync

[mellow linden]

If you KO center before they Sync then you don’t even need to worry about rain management beyond the basics of “don’t spam all uses at the start, if you set it during your 1st set of 3 actions make sure it’s the last action of the set”

[wooden imp]

Oh you're doing presync

Mb

[verbal karma]

Oh god, both Shauntal and Malva are bad for R3

That means I am forced to go R3 Flint

[mellow linden]

It’s really not a huge deal unless you have to take a significant time afterwards to finish off the sides

[verbal karma]

I suspect that I do

[mellow linden]

Eh, you have teams that can probably handle it, but it’s not a big deal either way

[left storm]

You don't really need to know unless you have less than 5 limited water units tbfh

The only two harsh stages are malva and leaf

Olivia can be annoying

The latter is Phys so any good xdef all unit carries

Malva is strong too, but the base hp is laughable

Leaf is where you wanna save an even shitty rain setter for

Since rain is endless

With rain, any decent water striker will work

With a good mixed support

[old orchid]

This is not a correct statement, because accessible Water units are great

[left storm]

You tell me friendo

I just meant that with 5 limiteds, it's pretty brainless

[old orchid]

You can beat the whole CS without limiteds anyway just calling out that you technically dont need limited pairs

[verbal karma]

okay, definitely NOT Malva for R3 then, noted

[left storm]

Yeah, I just meant to have an easy time

Better to have 4 limiteds + Kris exed

She's nuts anyway

[verbal karma]

I still don't have Kris EX'd tbh

[wooden imp]

If you have spare ressources you should consider it

Her nuke goes brrrrrr

[verbal karma]

...well, I dunno if I would consider 79 and 714 "spare resources"

Especially considering I might need to spend some of them for the upcoming HSE

[dark osprey]

You can choose lesser points if you're having difficulties with any stage and once done with the CS for the 1st time reset and decide to switch teams &/or invest in EXs.

These teams may seem decent on paper but you may still face issues in execution.

[cold kestrel]

Teams for next week alright for hard mode?

[dark osprey]

Team 5 and 6 could probably do with a damage dealer

What types are you trying to fill in?

Could split Adaman and Irida

[cold kestrel]

I have all types done, just not trying master mode because I know I can’t do it

Should I just go with my irida team for the fairy type? Don’t really have a fairy damage dealer

[dark osprey]

Can start off with like 850 points with master mode then since you get the main rewards.

Can probably push through the fairy team with Sycamore, BP surge and Mina even for master mode

[cold kestrel]

I could try mar mode this week then

[old orchid]

850 pts are not too different from hard mode CS, dont worry