Champion Stadium

[frozen bane]

i just have them together because they're my girlies, i wasn't going to use them on the same team

[zealous karma]

I see wanted to make sure

[rich needle]

How can y’all tell it’s non master mode?

[mellow linden]

They said Hard Mode right under their roster vid

[rich needle]

O

I don’t even remember the name anymore I just call it champ mode

[frozen bane]

should i be targeting the others or should i target the E4 member?

[mellow linden]

Target the center 1st

You want to try and prevent the opponent from using their Sync Move

Which means KOing the center before that happens

[tired sleet]

(Unless its a poison stall strat or smth)

[zealous karma]

focus center first as they are the more threatening target, there is side denial where a unit kills the left mon with their first sync but I would not focus on that if you are less experienced

[nova imp]

Took a while but

Now it’s only blue that remains

[nova imp]

Got pretty lucky with mp refresh

I used potion like 5 times

[rich needle]

hrm

your poison team

just off type lol

well i guess this is a poison stall but idk skyla doesnt feel like he best tank for it

[grand trout]

It's so funny that the official guides say to kill the sides first

[rich needle]

i do it when i have no aoe

[nocturne pawn]

it is a stall

[rich needle]

i said its a stall

[nova imp]

Can someone help me build a good off type against blue? Tried some things but they didn’t work

Here is the team I tried

Here is my roster

[rotund lagoon]

You could also just fill the tracker.

+tracker

[frozen depot]

Link : https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker/
Use this video guide to properly filter your pairs : https://imgur.com/a/2ONrAcl
Fill your pairs > Turn Visibility only for "Have" > Filter by Type then Role > Turn On "Separators" > Print with "Image" button

[rotund lagoon]

Did you also ever try your Olivia?

[nova imp]

No

But I’m out of cookies right now

[rotund lagoon]

Olivia is good. You on Hard Mode?

[nova imp]

So I can’t get vigilante

On anything

[nova imp]

💀

[rotund lagoon]

? Why would she want Vigilance?

[nova imp]

13k mm

[rotund lagoon]

Aren’t you new? Why that high?

[nova imp]

uh

New?

What do u mean new

[rotund lagoon]

New to the game, or CS, mostly.

[nova imp]

um

I’ve been playing / came back 2 months ago

This is csmm

[rotund lagoon]

From the experience of us helping you, you should honestly do lower values first.

[nova imp]

dude

I literally pulled off that before

And I’m 2.6k away from getting 13k

so I can get 50

I can do it…

[steel kelp]

Why not just wait until next week

[nova imp]

wdym

y’all are doubting my capacities…

Where are the cool dudes

[steel kelp]

It’s just 50 spirits

Why are you in a rush

[nova imp]

Uh

50 per week is a meta

You need that amount

For ex

If you didn’t know

[steel kelp]

[mellow linden]

You’ll eventually be swimming in Champion Spirits regardless

[old orchid]

Being patient is the true meta

[steel kelp]

I’m literally swimming in spirits

I have over 900

[nova imp]

Anyways

I wanna do 13k

I have not used a lot of good units

So I can pull it off

You guys mind lending me your aid?

[rotund lagoon]

I suggested to you Olivia, didn’t I?

If you claim you can do it, try making a team for her.

But note there is absolutely no shame in doing lower values.

[steel kelp]

This new point cap got people acting crazy

[mellow linden]

Do note that you get 50 spirits per week at a much lower point value than 13k due to the weekly clear rewards for each stage

Anyway, SS Hilda + tank + Sun setter (if you have SS Morty then SS Hilda + SS Morty + Defense debuffer) is a possible off-type option

[nocturne pawn]

doing 2.5k gets you 60 from points alone

you dont need 13k

[paper summit]

tbf no matter the cap newbies think they must go for it or bust for whatever reason, or at least some do

however, you can only earn so many so there is no need to rush and chase more points when you won't be able to use the resources that fast anyway

better to learn the ropes of the game and actually enjoy it than hitting your head on a wall constantly when you are not properly prepared

[nova imp]

Wdym? We get access to tickets for more 5* powerups, so we don’t need to have them ready, that’s also a reason I’m doing it

[nova imp]

Thanks

Btw I don’t have a good defense debuffer right now

Lucian is taken so

[silver dirge]

Lucian isn't a defense debuffer, he's a special defense debuffer

You should have def debuffers available, there's Nanu who is a story pair, BP Clemont, Colress, Kukui

[rotund lagoon]

I saw Kukui in their roster

[silver dirge]

[toxic cobalt]

Genuinely if you can grid Roark just use him

[silver dirge]

Can confirm Roark is really solid

[rotund lagoon]

How does that compare to a 1/5 Olivia?

[toxic cobalt]

1/5 Olivia is garbage isn’t she? She needs 2/5

[rotund lagoon]

I cannot remember

[silver dirge]

Yeah 1/5 Olivia has not a lot going for her

Roark's got a respectable & easy nuke to out mid, sides shouldn't be a problem

[mellow linden]

Roark is a good on-type option, yeah

But he’d need to be at least 3/5 and 4-star potential, iirc

[toxic cobalt]

3/5 yes, 4* is easy

[nova imp]

Great

I was stuck

Mine is at 3/5

I don’t have cookies for critical strike 2 though

Is that a problem you think? @toxic cobalt

I’m completely out of them

Used too many and didn’t grind a lot in the last lg

[nocturne pawn]

its not a big deal

lucky skills are bonuses if anything

[toxic cobalt]

Yeah who cares about CS2

Just hit people with the dinosaur

[nocturne pawn]

tbh doesnt he also have super effective dps multipliers

[toxic cobalt]

Not sure I gridded him a long time ago

[rich needle]

Honestly it’s just nice to round out your weeklies yanno

[neon bronze]

Is it possible to make teams for generally every champion stadium 15k

[old orchid]

for 3k guide

[neon bronze]

So i cant make anything general?

Ok

Ill try

[old orchid]

3k is very team reliant

[manic kiln]

while having some strong units your roster is new and underinvestment
you can't expect to clear every region with the same team, kanto and something like sinnoh will need different teams for the same type
also not enough (exed) support, at least trying to build 5 strong exed supports for 5 teams first

you also don't need to clear 3k, in these recent weeks I saw so many new roster/comeback players with little team building experiences just forcing themselves to clear the contents they're not ready for

[neon bronze]

So what supports should i ex?

I think we should move to poma questions

[old orchid]

thats a question for #1017681879614377984

[neon bronze]

Oh

[swift swan]

for reference, next time you can fill in the sync pair tracker so you don't need to send multiple screenshots

+tracker

[frozen depot]

Link : https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker/
Use this video guide to properly filter your pairs : https://imgur.com/a/2ONrAcl
Fill your pairs > Turn Visibility only for "Have" > Filter by Type then Role > Turn On "Separators" > Print with "Image" button

[manic mica]

We got the new parameters?

[silver dirge]

There weren't new params added

[manic mica]

Strenght is better than choosing the stat ups right?

[silver dirge]

The Five Stat Up?

[manic mica]

Yeah

Or max hp

[silver dirge]

Comparison between HP & Strength depends on your team & preference, I'd try strength first. As for Five Stat Up, don't pick that up unless you've got Haze/Snatch/Topsy Turvy

Offenses from a direct stat boost are higher than picking up Strength

[manic mica]

I am not sure if my teams can make it and I have been playing for 4 years

Basically max out strenght got it

Lvl 250 enemies basically

[silver dirge]

For pre sync you should be picking up all of the offense nodes first

Power on hit, attack etc

Then choose everything else that you can, finish it off with strength

[manic mica]

Pre sync as in before their sync

[silver dirge]

yes

[manic mica]

So they gotta die before that

So it's gotta be one of the newer fairs

Or a great nuker

[silver dirge]

Not really, rarity/fair doesn't matter. A good majority of the gen pool DDs can easily presync, just gotta teambuild accordingly. Good nukes & turn denials will make it easier yes, there's some tips in the pinned guide

[manic mica]

Yeah true but I thought maybe I'd need like 1mil (in PoMa tools)a hit

[silver dirge]

Nope. If you're comfortable/experienced with 2.5K Csmm it shouldn't be too big of a jump. If you're not, then you should probably go for lower pts and work your way up slowly

[junior crown]

there are some 15k f2p teams, and some not even really invested like aurochs, so after 4 years I'm sure you have more than that

[silver dirge]

[manic mica]

Tbh I am used to it

[silver dirge]

Also befitting for Azriel being here, try poison stall if all else fails - it's still a great strat & arguably least affected by the pts change

[junior crown]

the tips remains true, poison stall all CS!!

[silver dirge]

[versed meteor]

Who needs strategy

[nocturne pawn]

tbh

1/5 archer isnt as bad as i make him sound

but like

its still really annoying how he was the one exec i didnt want and yet still got

[silver dirge]

Sync accel my beloved

[nocturne pawn]

i should give him head start next gauntlet

because then hes a full turn skip for existing

[silver dirge]

Yea I've got HS1 on him. Ex'd for -6 total

[manic mica]

Ok it was a bit easier

Until the Dark stage

Legit what the fuck do I do

It's the last before rock

[nocturne pawn]

i used karen

[manic mica]

Karen and who else

[nocturne pawn]

archer and chalem lol

but like honestly just get a support who buffs special attack and preferably crit as well

[steel kelp]

Karen and summer n

[nocturne pawn]

gauge found dead in ditch

[steel kelp]

laughs in nc blue

[manic mica]

Gauge never existed in that team

I wish Cyrus wasn't a fucked unit if you don't need the sleep

[versed meteor]

This is what countdown on moves has done to my daily rotation teams

Sprint units are neat ainit

[steel kelp]

That’s a funny way to say SS n

The true sprint unit

[manic mica]

SS N sprint?

[nocturne pawn]

hes fine without it

[versed meteor]

Call me when you land the freeze shock

[nocturne pawn]

dark pulse in zone is good enough

[silver dirge]

Lear* the OG sprint unit

And yea SS Cyrus should be fine

[manic mica]

I wish he had better speed

[nocturne pawn]

use a gauge support

and even then he still cheeses the fuck out of cs

its not like they have resilience

[manic mica]

True

Now which one

[nocturne pawn]

literally any?

you are really over thinking this

[manic mica]

Yeah but I want one that can live

[nocturne pawn]

…

i mean

blastoise

there

[manic mica]

Uhh not sure if he is used up

[nocturne pawn]

bro just go

ss cyrus literally cheeses cs by existing

[manic mica]

Hmm sure

We good

[north crown]

I just looked right after someone finished a CS run....? goddammit.

[manic mica]

What happun

[north crown]

I usually like helping/talking to others in this chat due to lack of LG activity

[manic mica]

Pro Tip from SMTfan, player for 1200+ days

Just get the coolest guy to EX

[zealous karma]

Wth I got shadow pinged

[manic mica]

Win

Legit just get the striker to EX and you good

No need for try harding

Unless sync damage is ass

[north crown]

poison stall:

[manic mica]

But even then a sync is like an unscaled AoE

[north crown]

support ex:

[manic mica]

Striker Sync

Unscaled AoE my beloved

[north crown]

*bad striker sync

[manic mica]

I like how when we get an AoE fair we get an unscaled AoE fair

Each time

Happened 2

Except Piers isn't as worth it as Hau

[north crown]

which Hau

[manic mica]

The good one

[north crown]

they're both good wdym

[manic mica]

The better one

[north crown]

r u serious rn

[rotund lagoon]

Just say the name…..

[north crown]

or type either "og" or "ss"

literally just two letters

[manic mica]

Ss

Jesus Christ in what way is OG better

Out the box SS Hau does more than SS Piers

They also both have double field boosts

Piers also has no nuke

Idk for 3/5 lemme check

[rotund lagoon]

Pretty sure the point is that they’re just both good. You sound like you’re saying OG Hau isn’t ^^;;;;

[manic mica]

Yup for 3/5 too but Hau needs debuffed speed fully

[north crown]

Literally can duo in so many LAs with so many crit supports

[manic mica]

I do think he fell off

For anything but LA

[north crown]

Also was the optimal option for the first elec weak Aaron CS stage

[manic mica]

But I barely do LA

[north crown]

so your "falling off" point is invalid

[manic mica]

I mean, yeah CS stages are kinda designed for some units

[north crown]

do you realyl expect DeNa to design a Sinnoh CS stage for a f2p character

[rotund lagoon]

Moreso that he was meant for Special Electric dealers and the first run was right before Ash’s release.

[manic mica]

And we had like

Volkner at that time

The one that was fucked by the name rule

[rotund lagoon]

You mean NY. OG Volkner is physical.

[manic mica]

Yeah I did say the one fucked by the name rule

He didn't have a good electric terrain setter for a while because he was also Volkner

Forgot when they finally changed it

[north crown]

I quote:

"Recommended Sync Pairs and Tactics
#1: Lt. Surge & Raichu
#2: Elesa (Classic) & Emolga
#3: Volkner (New Year’s 2022) & Electivire"

[nocturne pawn]

og hau’s dps is bad but nuke more than makes up for it

and its not like crit supports are uncommon

[manic mica]

The nuke sure yeah

Discharge makes me hate the fella

[manic mica]

When your best option is a one time max move

[north crown]

bro he has your favorite sync type

[manic mica]

Yeah so?

[north crown]

Don

[manic mica]

Still hate em

[north crown]

*Don't blame me; those were DeNa's tips

[manic mica]

DeNa knew they had to change it

Idk who else got skrewed over by the name thing

I think maybe Red, kinda?

[north crown]

yes and no

All Red pairs are good on their own

[manic mica]

I guess he kinda hated the fact he had no SE up except Raihan

Raihan also probably would have loved to run Anni before

Skyla sure was a bit weird to run in Flying Teams for a while

Had to use Falkner, better for Ethan anyways but still, he had to be there

[north crown]

SCJasmine:

[manic mica]

I mean where you double dipping with her

[north crown]

what's double dipping?

[manic mica]

It sounds funnier to say you got 2 tanks together

For no good reason besides the fact you can

Double Dipping iirc is when you eat a fry

Dip it before you bite

Bite

Dip it again

[north crown]

ah ic

well I never said you'd be running the two supps together; that'd be stupid

[north crown]

I meant to counter this statement by saying her unit name

also SSKris

[manic mica]

Sskris also was funny if you wanted another rainer besides May for OG kris

I'm just saying Falkner did give more dmg to Ethan

[north crown]

Shower Power 3 (3/5):
SCJasmine SpDef debuffs (3/5):

[manic mica]

Hmm true both are Johtos too

[north crown]

all 3

Falkner, SCJasmine, SSKris

[rich needle]

Hm

Somehow psychic was the hardest this week

[keen jasper]

Well, Close Combat is extremely painful

[north crown]

me with SSLusamine, 3/5 AnniMay, and a random crit buffer:

[wide adder]

is sylvegg + PSerena + fullbuff special support like ncblue a good pairing for fairy weak? just for future reference, since i got sylveon 3passive egg

[old orchid]

yes ofc, even with 1/5 Serena

[wide adder]

for weeks that ghost isn't overlapping, would Anni Lillie or Sylvegg be the better 3rd slot on a PSerena 2/5 team? definitely using when there is overlap so i dont have to take anni lillie from ghost, but

[old orchid]

Sylveon no doubt

[wide adder]

assuming the stage's gimmicks dont need something different, ofc

pog, glad to have something that i can consider a permanent member of my fairy roster then

[north crown]

zone = instant value

need I say more?

[keen jasper]

You mean field

[north crown]

I mean... not all fields are useful... (phys/spe dmg reduc)

[old orchid]

i think Caster meant damage boosting field effects in general

[rich needle]

I expected it to be easier since I had ssteven even though he’s 1/5

[north crown]

please don't tell me that you're using defense form

[rich needle]

Of course not

He’s main attacker

Bianca on the side and I tried skyla at first but it was too much reset so I just used my easy pass

[nocturne pawn]

just reset so he doesnt use cc

that’s basically the only move that does anything

i used ss steven you just need a bit of luck

[sick inlet]

New parameters wanted

I want that free 100 pts for not using field and sprint units

[old orchid]

Dena: thats too op, please wait for 2 more years

[silver dirge]

4K CSMM upgrade with no new params

[old orchid]

3k CSMM is already punishing for minimal team comps and silly theme

[silver dirge]

We love to suffer

[swift swan]

and it's only kanto!

[silver dirge]

I'm impatiently waiting for the harder 3

[old orchid]

I love watching others including me suffer

[silver dirge]

🤝

Me trying to offtype max HP with valerie

[old orchid]

Smh

[trail smelt]

I used Speed Deoxys as the main tank

[hushed lintel]

i am trying to get over 2k for the fights but i struggle with lance/bruno and blue

[old orchid]

Can you send your roster here?

[hushed lintel]

i am filling the sync tracker

there we go

so for the 2500 i used red venusaur/leaf venusaur and ellaine

against lorelei

against agatha i went Greninjas + samurott

i thought about using magnezone for lance but i feel like he does not do enough damage

and lear for bruno but same

diancie does enough damage

but she dies before she can end blue

[nocturne pawn]

you have 3/5 caitlin

[rich needle]

Um which one are you stuck on specifically

[hushed lintel]

bruno/lance and blue i can obliterate them at 1500 but i can't pass them at 2000 somehow

[swift swan]

what params are you running, actually? i think your damage dealers are all fine. what are the teams?

[nocturne pawn]

^

this is most definitely a parameter issue

[hushed lintel]

i used on type presync for bruno

same for blue

and for lance i went off type pre sync, trying to get them with rei

[silver dirge]

Are you adjusting the parameters for your team?

[hushed lintel]

well i do change the status conditions/interference

and physical/special dammage

and strike and tech

[swift swan]

what's the full team?

[hushed lintel]

against bruno ?

i went hoopa/lucian/skyla

[silver dirge]

You should bring a special support to get Lear's spAtk maxed out faster

But otherwise that team should not have much trouble

[hushed lintel]

i was thinking about espeon

elio

[silver dirge]

Are you using snatch right before sync?

[hushed lintel]

but he is 125

no

i am not

[silver dirge]

Well you don't have the innate sync multiplier set up then

[hushed lintel]

if i snatch i do more damage ?

i need to read him again

[silver dirge]

No, you want a support who can tank well & actually help buff Lear. Elio only buffs team wide crit, which Lear can max himself

[hushed lintel]

i meant having elio instead of lucian

[silver dirge]

Sure if you want, doesn't sound like a necessary change to me.

[rich needle]

Elio isn’t that good because he wants to sync

And leaf also wants to sun.

Wow autocorrect

Lear also wants to sync

[silver dirge]

For the purpose of just spDef debuffing he's fine

[nocturne pawn]

isnt elio better for that

cuz lear is st sync

if it was someone like ss steven then sure id use lucian

[silver dirge]

Oh does Elio debuff single target -2?

[hushed lintel]

yes

[nocturne pawn]

yes

[silver dirge]

Ah my bad I was confusing him with the old Veevee kits, yeah go for Elio then

[hushed lintel]

each attack

[nocturne pawn]

elio and selene are -2 st

instead of -1 aoe

[rich needle]

Lucian does also reduce attack though

[silver dirge]

[nocturne pawn]

i mean does it really matter

[rich needle]

I find it does

[silver dirge]

Yes, make sure you're reading all your units' kits completely

[nocturne pawn]

lear should just kill before getting hit becomes a problem

[hushed lintel]

i see

[rich needle]

But I use generally bulky teams so eh

[silver dirge]

Go for Elio + Lear + special support then

[hushed lintel]

so if i use elio + lea i should bring someone that gives + atk spe

won't i need move gauge speed somehow ?

[nocturne pawn]

not really

[hushed lintel]

won't i lack speed ?

[nocturne pawn]

elio is 1 gauge isnt he

[hushed lintel]

yes but lear is like

a billion

hyperspace is 4 gauge i think

or i don't want to use that ?

[rich needle]

Then use like skyla

Wait lear buffs crappy*

[silver dirge]

They had Skyla already, I suggested to change to a special support to set up Lear quicker

He buffs crit in one go but for SpAtk he just has X SpAtk which is slow

[silver dirge]

That is what you should use, give the team a shot first if gauge is an issue you can switch Elio to Lucian

Lear will output enough where the -3 vs -6 spDef isn't going to make a huge difference

[hushed lintel]

ok i am going to try that

should i keep the parameter from the cs master mode preset ?

i was using the on type presync more hp

maybe i should go more dmg

[silver dirge]

Either should be fine

[hushed lintel]

sylveon gives

special attack

[silver dirge]

Penny?

[hushed lintel]

yes

but i think bruno does lots of physical damage

[silver dirge]

If you've got Penny then replace Elio for Lucian. Since Penny also debuffs spDef

That'll solve your speed issue

[nocturne pawn]

probably shouldve tried penny

[silver dirge]

yep

[hushed lintel]

so penny/lucian/lear

[silver dirge]

You can also pick up Five Stats Up ⬆️ since you've got both Penny & Lear with snatch mechanics

But if you're not comfortable with that just leave it be

[hushed lintel]

should i snatch turn 1 then if i do that ?

[calm marsh]

Yes

It helps Lear alot

[silver dirge]

Is your Penny EX'd?

[hushed lintel]

sadly not

i am kinda new, so i lack ressources to 6 ex

[silver dirge]

That's fine, not necessary

[hushed lintel]

that's why i am trying to get to 2000

to get more ressources 🙂

[silver dirge]

You can snatch turn 1 with Lear yeah, and then use Penny's B-Move right before you sync with Lear (if the mid has buffed itself)

That'll make sure your innate is set up

[hushed lintel]

the drain kiss

alright 🙂

[silver dirge]

yep

[hushed lintel]

it actually sounds solid for off type even

[silver dirge]

it should be yea

Just out of curiosity, what move level is your Lear?

[hushed lintel]

1

[silver dirge]

Ah okay

[hushed lintel]

i just got him from reds box

i got venusaur 5/5

and a lear

and shauna with the keychain

[calm marsh]

I just test that team, you should be fine

You can even go -6 SpD before your 1st Sync

[hushed lintel]

for 6 ex i only have victini/zerena (with her ex role) sycamore and i think it's regular kyuren and greninja calem

oh and rosa

always forget about her

[silver dirge]

I'd suggest you get a couple more supports in for your next few EX's, they really help in content like CS. Penny's an amazing option

[hushed lintel]

yeah i saw that with calem

and zerena with her ex roles

but it took me too long to figure it out

[silver dirge]

Shouldn't be a problem, your current EX's are still all great candidates

[hushed lintel]

sylveon got one sho 🤣

shot

[silver dirge]

Was it turn 1?

And did you snatch before she got hit?

You may need to reset a little bit if they use Close Combat, but make sure you're triple queueing correctly & syncing on time

[hushed lintel]

just before the sync

i just got unlucky with close combat i think

[silver dirge]

yea close combat on max offense does hurt

[hushed lintel]

on my second attempt i only did 3 k with sync tho

[silver dirge]

Do you have Special Damage Reduction on?

[hushed lintel]

and i synced after the drain kiss

i hope not

i'll double check

[calm marsh]

You do 2k right ?

[hushed lintel]

physical reduction

yes

[silver dirge]

Could you send a screenshot of your params?

[silver dirge]

Even better if you're able to record your gameplay

And you have no defense picked up?

[hushed lintel]

idk how to record tho

i took standard damage reduction

[silver dirge]

You may just not have critted on the sync tbh, give it another shot

Standard is fine, this is Psychic Weak Bruno right?

[hushed lintel]

yes

[calm marsh]

I dont pick much strength or atk bc Close Combat hurt

But Lear dmg is very good

[hushed lintel]

yeah it triples my damage

i am going to check your parameters

and compare them to mine

at first i thought you snatched twice before the first sync

[calm marsh]

Yes, but Bruno will raise his team Accuracy when he does a move

So i waited Bruno move then Snatch later

But if side mon used X Item then you need snatch or Kiss Bruno again

[rich needle]

Bread spheal

[calm marsh]

[hushed lintel]

maybe i went too early with the drain kiss

ok i was off with my timings

there is a world

where i don't screw up

🤣

thank you all for the help on bruno ❤️ i just need to retry until i get it

thx @calm marsh for the video

[hushed lintel]

just wanted to say i did it !

now i have to figure out something for lance

[nocturne pawn]

lance is steel

[hushed lintel]

i think i have to play around magnezone

i don't have anything else

in steel

it's either magnezone or solgaleo

[nocturne pawn]

why is your solgaleo 1/5

[keen jasper]

Why not use both?

[hushed lintel]

one is special and one is physical

getting both of them

at +6 +3 is hard no ?

[keen jasper]

Your support will handle it

[hushed lintel]

which support should i pick then ? if i pick solgaleo + magnezone

[keen jasper]

Who did you use?

[hushed lintel]

i used greninja and penny sylveon

[keen jasper]

What round is this?

[hushed lintel]

4th

because i can use any support against lorelei because red venusaur destroys her

[keen jasper]

Shiny Greninja + Solgaleo + Magnezone

[hushed lintel]

i have used greninja against agatha

[keen jasper]

Oh right, I'm blind

[hushed lintel]

i mean i can try tho

i don't think he is necessary

maybe it was overkill to send both frogs

against agatha

[keen jasper]

Why is Hop 1/5?

[hushed lintel]

forgot to click 5 times

my shiny greninja is also 3/5

[keen jasper]

If your Leaf/Eevee was 3/5, I would've recommended her

[hushed lintel]

yeah i am missing one

[keen jasper]

I guess SS Morty it is then

[hushed lintel]

ss morty ?

[keen jasper]

SS Morty/Shiny Ho-Oh

[hushed lintel]

he only brings defense and crit no ?

and passive healing under the sun

if i do that i might just go all the way and off type it with a sun team with victini no ?

[keen jasper]

Solgaleo should still carry the fight

[hushed lintel]

he is lvl 130 and idk if he had an event

but if he did i don't have the event

[keen jasper]

It's still fine

Thorton can act as the secondary DPS

[icy sapphire]

Kanto Challenge Agatha

Just wondering if this team build is good enough, or if I should wait ‘till the Move Levels are higher. (Have tried before, got one down and all allies fainted after.)

[hushed lintel]

so i should boost solgaleo with thorton move ?

[keen jasper]

No, give Thorton's TM to himself

[keen jasper]

Hard or master?

Oh it's hard

Ok

[keen jasper]

That's more than enough

[icy sapphire]

hold on, just in case I fail again imma screen record and send it here, just for review

[keen jasper]

Ok

[hushed lintel]

i probably should grid solgaleo

[keen jasper]

You definitely should

[icy sapphire]

i failed again, so here’s the battle

here’s the footage

ahh

if it’d send

okay, so it’s not sending

painfully

[keen jasper]

Did you compress the video?

[icy sapphire]

i didn’t think of that

mainly because I don’t know how

[keen jasper]

You can install any video compressor app

[icy sapphire]

there

[keen jasper]

Ok, your first mistake was not triple queueing at the 1st turn

Second mistake was using Spiky Shield immediately and ruining the queue of your turns

[icy sapphire]

so I shouldn’t use actual moves until I’ve used the TMs, right?

[keen jasper]

Another mistake was not focusing your sync on the middle

[keen jasper]

Yes most of the time

[icy sapphire]

triple queueing meaning the tm moves, correct?

[keen jasper]

+triplequeue

[frozen depot]

In Pokemon Masters, the battles revolve around using your Sync Move as fast as possible.
Using moves will reduce its cooldown, which is also the case for the opponent!
This is why you always want all your pairs on the field to have moves queue'd.
Have 3 ally moves in between each 1 enemy move, even at the start!
After 9 moves, you can wait to queue your Sync.

See this quick footage for how to Triple Queue :
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/928038965129392151/1126108077519802378/5www4z.mp4

For more beginner infos, check our #1010307000346878062.

[icy sapphire]

hm

right then

[keen jasper]

Also you're not queueing any moves even when you have gauges

[icy sapphire]

so I’ve tried twice, no dice

[keen jasper]

How did you die this time?

[icy sapphire]

after getting down Agatha, chesnaught always dies (because of targeting, but I think it’s because I forgot to use mini potion), then after getting two feint attacks in i die to icy wind

[keen jasper]

That makes sense, sides will do AoE attacks as soon as the middle dies

[icy sapphire]

so what can I do?-

[keen jasper]

This attempt got close, but you held back, that's why you lost

[icy sapphire]

so if I just do that again (minus the spiky at the start) there’s a chance I might do it?

[keen jasper]

Yes

[keen jasper]

And you need to triple queue

[icy sapphire]

which I did, and I died w agatha left at half hp

[keen jasper]

Is Solgaleo gridded?

[icy sapphire]

let me check, but I think not

even if he wasn’t I don’t think I can because I’m low on orbs

nop

[keen jasper]

Ok, hold on

[icy sapphire]

just did the training area thing for orbs, got around 900 now

[rose ermine]

I'm surprised it worked on 3k

[icy sapphire]

now I realize that 100 coop orbs = 1 character orb

so

hm

[keen jasper]

I successfully did your team

But it requires an extremely advanced technique

[icy sapphire]

oof

yikes yikes

[keen jasper]

My team is 5/5, but that shouldn't matter at all

I did it with no grids

[icy sapphire]

alright then

im willing to give it a shot

[keen jasper]

If you want to, I can record my clear

[icy sapphire]

that’s fine

[keen jasper]

Ok then

BTW, this is what that advanced technique is called

+quadqueue

[frozen depot]

Watch this footage (17s clip) : https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx3Nr07pJo2Noud7AwWW4yWQQIDbYsQTJQ
In this clip, when Flannery is about to Sync the opponent Aaron has nothing queue'd in the list. This leaves us with a very short window after the sync to queue a fourth move. Note in the clip how Flannery queues her TM before the opponent's High Horsepower. Look out for the orange "spiral aura" around your syncing Pokemon after the sync, the correct timing to queue is when that spiral is fading away, but you can also resort to button mashing!

The benefits of quad-queue is that it allows us to get two sync moves before the opponent's first one which is a game-changer if you're not using sync acceleration. A Sync Move does not count toward the Sync Countdown which is why without Quad-Queue or Sync Accel your second cycle usually leaves you at 1 countdown left when the opponent is using their Sync.

Note that Quad-Queue cannot be done under certain conditions that will make the opponent queue as your sync is executing :

• If a field effect (such as weather, zone, move gauge acceleration etc) expires on the turn you're syncing. Usually happens if a field effect was cast on entry or first turn.
• If an allied passive triggers an effect right after an enemy action completes (such as First Aid, Team Shout, Freevenge etc...)

[keen jasper]

I got freaking flinched by Zen Headbutt 2 times

[icy sapphire]

yikes

[keen jasper]

WOuld it be ok to wait longer?

[icy sapphire]

yeah im fine w that

[keen jasper]

Note that it uses this
#1009554906568462476 message

If this doesn't work, then you need so change Shauna

Because the gauges on this team is horrid

[icy sapphire]

I’d feel like just to be safe I should ex player+solga, but I don’t know how to get their champ spirits

[keen jasper]

Legendary Adventure units' spirits are only available through this event called the Villain Arc

In this case, each Legendary Adventure unit are their own regions and get their upgrades in their respective region Villain Arc events

Solgaleo is Alola, means you need to wait for the Alola Villain Arc

[icy sapphire]

alright then

[icy sapphire]

this isn’t working ;-;

i give up

[hushed lintel]

i have done it !

now it's blue's turn to get it

[keen jasper]

Nice work

[keen jasper]

Then you might have to switch up some of the units on your team

[icy sapphire]

my main DMG dealer (ss red) and tanks (vanilla leaf and ss blue) have already been used already

either I wait for the reset or I luck out

[hushed lintel]

is rei/mega diancie/snorlax ok against blue ?

[keen jasper]

Wait, you have Selene/Umbreon

[keen jasper]

That's mega overkill

[icy sapphire]

no

[hushed lintel]

so it should work ?

[keen jasper]

Overkill should mean it will work 1000%

[keen jasper]

Then why is it on your roster?

[icy sapphire]

that’s not Selene?

[hushed lintel]

which parameter should i do ? post sync then ?

[icy sapphire]

that’s karen

[keen jasper]

Yeah, SS Diantha can do it pre-sync

[icy sapphire]

wait a minute-

hold on

lemme check

yeah no I don’t have her

only two dark types I’ve got

[keen jasper]

Ah well

Anyways, unfortunately, it's almost 4am where I am, so I'm gonna sleep now. So just wait for someone to help you

Good luck

[icy sapphire]

ty and good night

[hushed lintel]

good night !

and i have done 11 K !

[rich needle]

Can I see any of your other units

[icy sapphire]

sure, just give me a sec

all the units I’ve got

[crimson jewel]

Hmmm

[rich needle]

Uh let’s see

[crimson jewel]

I'd use nanu,Karen and cheren I my case

[rich needle]

All these units are usable here?

None of them are used already in other battles?

[icy sapphire]

well let me see first-

[crimson jewel]

Yea that's also a case

N also try pulling for more chars

[icy sapphire]

SS Red, SS Blue, Leaf, Calem, Oak, and Rosa have been used

[rich needle]

Okay

I’ll try to figure something

[icy sapphire]

Player and Pikachu was as well, but for some reason it went out of being unusable

[rich needle]

Also can you level things

Or this is it

[icy sapphire]

I’ll see what I can do, what do you need me to level

[rich needle]

Alright I’m just seeing what mons are an option I’ll try to beat it with my idea now

[icy sapphire]

mk

[rich needle]

Alright

How high level can you get hop

[icy sapphire]

leeeeet me checkkkk

125

buuut with manuals 81

[rich needle]

Mkay that should be good enough with a potion grid

Oh 81

Mmm

[icy sapphire]

yeah

[rich needle]

You’d need quite a few potion refreshes but

It is doable

If you’re willing to reset for that

[icy sapphire]

how many orbs I need?

[crimson jewel]

I'd leave hop for steel cs

U did that right?

[icy sapphire]

I haven’t done lance yet

[crimson jewel]

._.

[rich needle]

They have solgaleo and Shauna can probably do it

Probably

[crimson jewel]

Molyane too

Probably

Alr I gtg eat dinner

[rich needle]

You don’t always need them to have the same type

It’s useful but in this case we need supports for harder types

Okay so I’ll send a vid of how I did it and just like

Tru to replicate it with a less tanky hop

Cuz I intentionally screwed my Karen’s damage to try to balance it

[icy sapphire]

alrighty

[rich needle]

Hm my internet sucks rn so it’ll take a few minutes

[icy sapphire]

mk

[icy sapphire]

I would try pulling for more units but I don’t have enough

[mellow linden]

CS Hard Mode can be done using exclusively free Sync Pairs

Don’t spend gems solely for CS, it’s a terrible trade

[wide adder]

[rich needle]

Aaand it’s too big

Need to compresss another fire

File

[crimson jewel]

Yea try getting free pairs fro legendary events or BP

[wide adder]

I have a question for fighting Lorelei offtyping.

How does water shuriken interact with her evasion on hit passive

Would c Serena just give her instant +5

[rich needle]

Poopoo quality

But

@icy sapphire

[wide adder]

Dunno if it’s per move or per hit of move that it can trigger that

[nocturne pawn]

its per move

[wide adder]

So offtyping her with cserena is viable then?

[rich needle]

Keep in mind I had zero grids for everyone

So you can have grids for them all

[icy sapphire]

how’d you get hop to ex?

i know it’s not required but like I’m just asking

[paper summit]

you wait for Galar's VA event

pretty much same idea as the Kalos one that's live now, one with Sycamore's EX and the other with his grid upgrade

[rich needle]

There’s no shortcut you gotta have played during the event so I just didn’t use any of the benefits that come with it(except stats but with a few potion refreshes it shouldn’t matter)

[icy sapphire]

ah

YOOOO

I DID IT

TYSM

[rich needle]

[wide adder]

The LA ex don’t even give stats

LA itself already gives 20/20

Ex is literally just the sync effect for them cause everyone gets 20/20 for free

[icy sapphire]

this team I had for lance almost worked, almost

[rich needle]

What does magneton do?

[nocturne pawn]

special strike

use a defense debuffer

instead of someone who basically does nothing

[icy sapphire]

like who?

[rich needle]

Nanu

[left storm]

BP clemont

[north crown]

Can’t you run literally any def debuffer? Nanu would be great if u can afford the gauge for him since he has innate 60% flinch rate with crit, which Shauna already provides.

[icy sapphire]

and that's on bite, right?

[rich needle]

Screech

First I mean

The flinch is on bite yes

[icy sapphire]

should i priotize lance or the sides first

[rotund lagoon]

Mid, since they are the biggest threat.

[icy sapphire]

but then there would be aoe attacks, which keep in mind are se to solga

[nocturne pawn]

it shouldnt be an issue really i know yours isnt ex'd but nanu has a good flinch chance

[icy sapphire]

but i'm still losing, and i don't know what to do

i feel like i should just wait for the reset and do this another way because i'm not getting anywhere

[north crown]

Hold on lemme try this presync real quick

And to make this a bit more fair, Imma use 1/5 Steven non ex

[rich needle]

Kill

The sides

Kill one first

Then focus down mid

[north crown]

But why?

Oh waitaminute this is hard mode

[rich needle]

Yes

When you don’t have aoe moves it’s quite a bit harder to deal with sides last

[north crown]

@icy sapphire what types did you use, and what round are you on?

[rich needle]

Lookee here pardner

[north crown]

Angie Yonaga - Roster Bookmark

[rich needle]

And just below is their used units

Alongside karen hop and kiawe

[north crown]

Oh ty

Ok that looks doable

What rounds are left? I could try and guess but I think it would be better to get confirmation

[rich needle]

They have lance left

And champ obviously

[north crown]

Water, Fire, Normal, Psychic, Grass, Steel, Dark

Man why did you suggest Hop on offtype stage

Lance steel weak is right there

[rich needle]

Because it seemed pretty impossible for them to do it without him

Karen is kinda awful

When I did it I had to pour all my potions into her

[north crown]

You could’ve suggested poison stall, like what I’m gonna do rn:

Dawn, Lucy, Brock…?

Actually nvm, we might need stall for champ… ak fk

[rich needle]

Ah the ye olden days

Honestly like

Solgaloe should be able to carry it through

[north crown]

That’s what I was thinking, esp in hard mode

Shauna, Solgaleo, Acerola/Nanu

[rich needle]

See problem with that team is that it’s too slow

Assuming no mgr anyway

[north crown]

Acerola just needs 1 red node next to starting point, and u get 60% flinch. You can even sync with Solgaleo first since she doesn’t need crit, while Solgaleo has access to Sharp Entry 1. 1 gauge spam helps.

Maybe she will be better for this team

If they can get away with no flicnhes, Kukui is the best choice for aoe debuff

Let me go test with ungridded wikstrom

[rich needle]

Okay I did it with nanu variation

And I never synced with solgaleo because that would rig it too hard

So it seems pretty doable

@north crown how’re things on your end

[north crown]

I just did Shauna EX, Wikstrom, Acerola with no grid, and without Shauna sync

If they have any MGR whatsoever, this clear would’ve been a cakewalk

[rich needle]

You wilkstrom instead of solgaleo?

[north crown]

Yeah cuz my solgaleo is EXed

Th bulk on Shauna doesn’t matter, as she can easily aurvive the whole match above 3/4 HP

[rich needle]

Mine died

Because it’s level 80

[north crown]

[rich needle]

That’s how I simulate weak team

And I never synced with solgaleo

So it should work if you actually could

[north crown]

@icy sapphire Bro Solgaleo should be able to carry, especially if Solgaleo has ANY notable grid node(s).

The only mandatory nodes you would realistically need are Sharp Entry 1 and Astonish: Aggrivation 1

But more nodes on Solgaleo would help

[icy sapphire]

wait huh what’s goin on? i was offa discord for a bit-

[north crown]

I do not recommend using Wikstrom even if I was able to beat Lance, as I had to time King Shield before sync and after mid died

[rich needle]

Basically

The nanu shauna Solgaloe team good

[north crown]

TLDR we concluded that Lance should be easy to beat, even mostly gridless

[icy sapphire]

ah

alright

[north crown]

If you have some nodes on Solgaleo this is easily a cakewalk

[north crown]

Refer here for the most important ones

We have a few options for teams, but I think Acerola would be best for you since she’s braindead to use in this scenario: spam Astonish.

Tho for Solgaleo+Acerola strat, you will need the aforementioned grid nodes: SE1 and Aggro. 1

Oh yeah. You will also need to learn CS opponent move order.

[icy sapphire]

problem:

no sync orbs

[north crown]

Did you invest in Acerola before?

[icy sapphire]

nnnnooo

[north crown]

Or solgaleo?

[icy sapphire]

i (stupidly) never really invested in grids

[icy sapphire]

I mean I tried all starting around the center

and a few branching off

but other than that no

[north crown]

What? Does this mean u have orbs for Solgaleo? Ok thank god

Go for Sharp Entry 1 and as many Sunsteel Strike MGR as you can.

[rich needle]

Zoom to sharp entry 1 if possible

It’s on the top left yellow

[north crown]

I’ll try to find another strat without Acerola, tho theoretically she can work; you would just need luck.

[icy sapphire]

[rich needle]

Mmm

Okay

So

What I want you to do is get as many sunsteels

Then I want you to follow this sequence

Shauna tm, solgaleo tm, nanu xspeed, shauna tm, solgaleo sunsteel, nanu xspeed, shauna spiky, solgaleo whatever you can, nanu tm

Sync with shauna, keep attacking and try to add in screeches whenever you can

Use shauna tm, then keep going

It should work

[north crown]

You know what we could do? Grab either MCchu or Brock and use potion to keep people alive

[icy sapphire]

all this on lance or the sides? just trying to get specifics so I don’t mess up

[rich needle]

Go on right side until you kill it

Then focus lance down

[north crown]

Those potions should be able to stall long enough Solgaleo to wipe the stage… right?

[rich needle]

You’ll be able to tank one sync

[rich needle]

I wanna save them for champ

Rough I know

[north crown]

At this point, I reckon Kukui would be a better unit here due to AOE debuffs and his gauge efficient kit. That’s only if Angie can level them up though.

[rich needle]

They used everything when I asked them to level hop

I think anyway

They may have enough for a level 50

[north crown]

Oh jesus christ

While we are all struggling to find answers, I must commend Angie for trying CS so early. They will progress much faster both in resource gathering and game experience.

I wonder if we can get away with using Plumeria, as she gives so much gauge

[icy sapphire]

GUH

IT WORKED

[north crown]

As for the champion, I have a rather out of the box option that we can do with the existing resources we have: Valerie vampire tank

Valerie, Lucy, Dawn. Use all your books on Dawn

[icy sapphire]

which thing should I pick

[north crown]

Actually nvm… Skyla may be a better choice due to her versatility for new players

[icy sapphire]

for the extra parameter

[north crown]

Also I forgot about MCchu

[icy sapphire]

so

[north crown]

Status condition

[icy sapphire]

yep

[north crown]

I’m double checking your roster for an optimal team with what you have

[icy sapphire]

good thing I have MCchu to 130

[north crown]

Edited my recent message

Give me a moment

[icy sapphire]

right

[north crown]

Ok yeah we need a tank badly

It’s either Dawn or Skyla.

@rich needle help me choose between the two. Skyla is 1/5 lvl 29, while Dawn is lvl 1

And idk what level Angie can afford atm

Also iirc, MCchu comes with free orbs. Can you double check for me @icy sapphire?

[rich needle]

@icy sapphire whats your exp books look like

oop double ping

[icy sapphire]

right then lemme look

oh wait a min I already have a grid built on MCchu

[icy sapphire]

not too good

[rich needle]

lets just assume alost no levels can be added

[icy sapphire]

yep

[north crown]

Does MCchu a utility based grid preset ready?

[icy sapphire]

only had one, tell me what to do chief

one preset **

[north crown]

We lowkey can’t beat champ at this rate. The only hope we have is for Valerie to somehow buy time for poison stall.

[rich needle]

hm

[north crown]

We NEED to level up a TANK

[rich needle]

can i see all your available units right now, its hard for me to keep track of the ones used

[north crown]

Search up ‘bookmark’

[icy sapphire]

^

[mellow linden]

Doesn’t Gear Event give infinite xp books?

It’s not ideal, but desperate times and all that

[steel kelp]

18 minutes

To grind how many books

[mellow linden]

Ah, right, maintenance

[steel kelp]

[rich needle]

oh maintenance

its joever

[north crown]

Do we have to resort to manually speedrunning gear event as a group to expedite books generation?

[steel kelp]

You’ll be swimming in books

[mellow linden]

Any event shops you have spare currency for?

[steel kelp]

Especially if you do lodge which is free

[mellow linden]

Might be worth delaying something a day or 2 from an event shop given the situation

[north crown]

Oh yeah what is maintenance? Can someone brief me over rq?

[north crown]

It’s Sunday.

[steel kelp]

Game shutdown

[icy sapphire]

i actually spent some on books earlier today for hop

[steel kelp]

So they can do updates and whatever

[icy sapphire]

[rich needle]

mmm

better luck tomorrow then

you got close

[icy sapphire]

very close

[steel kelp]

Other games have maint more frequently than this one

[mellow linden]

Yes, I’m saying it might be worth delaying a normally more important reward from an event shop to get more xp books due to how little time there is

[rich needle]

so if we just help you from day 1 of the week should be good

but for now maintenance will kill the dream

[icy sapphire]

since I’ve got school in the morning (available until 8:25 AM, no dice until 3:10 PM onward), I’m gonna have to wait unless I can knock it out in the morning

and considering I wake up so early it’s a possibility

[steel kelp]

just stay up until maint is over

[icy sapphire]

i mean

[mellow linden]

LODGE STONES

HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE

[icy sapphire]

GUH

[steel kelp]

That’s what I meant by lodge is free

Orbs and books

[mellow linden]

20 Lodge Stones = 10 max-rank xp books

[north crown]

Oh my god we might be able to complete CS if they have some lodge stones

[mellow linden]

It’s now or never

[north crown]

If they get enough to level 100 we can make this work

[icy sapphire]

it’s joever ;-;

I only have 40 lodge stones….

[rich needle]

and i oof

[steel kelp]

Do you have anything you can claim from lodge

[icy sapphire]

[steel kelp]

Because books and orbs have a dumb high drop rate

[north crown]

THAT’S ENOUGH FOR 2 EXCHANGES!!! Hold on is 20 enough?

[icy sapphire]

OOOO

[mellow linden]

That’s enough to level a single Sync Pair to 100

[rich needle]

oh

skyla should be the one then yeah?

unless this is a hurricane spam week

i dont remember

[icy sapphire]

I GOT 20 MAX RANK AND 20 3 RANK FROM CACHE

[north crown]

1/5 Dawn or 1/5 Skyla

[icy sapphire]

THERES STILL HOPE

[mellow linden]

I do believe there’s a chance

Hurry

[north crown]

We can only get a single pair so which support?

[rich needle]

i put my vote on skyla

versatile speed and defense with a less restrictive heal

[mellow linden]

Skyla offers bulk and gauge

I’m inclined to say her

[north crown]

Ok so Skyla is unanimous?

[rich needle]

seems so

[icy sapphire]

got lv 117 skyla