Champion Stadium

[drifting summit]

Maybe i can do something like Janine - SS Leaf - SSA Cynthia

[toxic cobalt]

Sounds like massive overkill

[fluid vessel]

SSLeaf and anything is massive overkill

[toxic cobalt]

We haven't seen 3k solos yet

[fluid vessel]

[toxic cobalt]

1

[fluid vessel]

I am perfectly aware she might do the 5

Ball Guy maybe too, or at least minus Lorelei because ice

[drifting summit]

i would keep things safe

[fluid vessel]

MRed could too

[drifting summit]

This is not like those gauntlet endurance events

so if i can have a safe and easy run i would do that

[fluid vessel]

It is CS, and it is poison stall

[toxic cobalt]

Yeah I'm mostly saying that team will work lol

[jovial zealot]

This is what I use, unsure if it’s optimal or not

But I’m able to stall with 2 units most of the time so eh

Could probably swap some things around like strike taking x3, etc

[keen jasper]

JL Masters: Am I a joke to you?

[split plank]

still can't beat Agatha

with ghetsis,torchic,noseplus

tried 8/9 times

[surreal forge]

Which agatha

[split plank]

I tried different combinations still can't beat

@surreal forge

my synch pairs

[surreal forge]

Off type?

Oh u want medal

Do uk u have to use all 18 types to get to get medal and master mode

[split plank]

No

i didn't know

[surreal forge]

U r new
So master mode will be difficult

[split plank]

So should i try next week?

[surreal forge]

U have to use all types once in every stage (in total) to get region medal and master mode

[surreal forge]

Actually tbh , I am not the right person to ask abt this

[split plank]

Ok

Maybe I'll ask again tomorrow

[surreal forge]

Yep wait if someone comes

[swift swan]

that looks like hard mode

well first of all, don't tank with candice

second of all, candice and ghetsis don't have much synergy and frankly you might have slight gauge issues

[rotund lagoon]

For one thing, Ghetsis doesn’t benefit from Hail

Is Torchic a good enough Sp Atk buffer? I’m not fully sure tbh

[silver dirge]

+4 without MPR

[swift swan]

Torchic is pretty good to buff Ghetsis, so the third unit can be a support that can tank Agatha properly. Misty could be nice because she buffs special defense for Agatha's special moves

[kindred phoenix]

What’s a good 3k point preset for master mode

[rotund lagoon]

We’re currently working on it, still

[kindred phoenix]

Ok

[paper summit]

[swift swan]

you're still staying with 12.5k because 15k presets are not yet available?

i just need to get this off my chest: on our end, it's getting harder and harder to make presets because it's getting very team dependant

take the 12.5k presets and add strength or HP, that's your safest bet

add miscellaneous stuff like half ally HP/MP or sync countdown if you'd like a hyper fast playstyle

[devout sluice]

Oh wait

I didn’t meant to send my message

So, my bad. I wasn’t meant to talk about 12.5k.

[silver dirge]

Everything nov said is still very applicable if you're looking to attempt 12.5k+

[rose ermine]

I think I'm gonna be fine for next week's 3k

But I'm very scared of fairy

[silver dirge]

Gladion?

Grab BP Valerie if you can

She's much better

[lime raven]

I already said not to use candice more earlier 😭

Oh shi sorry for the ping

[junior crown]

Never thought Kanto would be hard, suffering for poison stall

2 sync cures and 1 impervious

hated Lorelei, now I'm hating Bruno, let's hope after I finish Bruno, Blue won't be that bad...

[wide adder]

dang we dont get a bug weak stage here until the final week which would prob be post datamine. thats a long wait for a bug stage to use SSHilbert in.

[rotund lagoon]

You could also use him in the Electric, Ice, Water and Fire stages

[wide adder]

i was hoping for a bug stage to mess with his nuke on lol

[rotund lagoon]

That makes sense

[half panther]

Spshhhh you got nothing on me

[oblique stag]

I need parameters help with 15k

[old orchid]

Have you planned your teams? Also dont ignore 3 and 4*

[oblique stag]

What do you mean 3 and 4 and I've tried a bunch of teams and I keep losing

[mellow linden]

They mean you shouldn’t ignore 3- and 4-star Sync Pairs since they generally range from decent to amazing

[oblique stag]

Then why aren't they fairs

[mellow linden]

Because DeNA said so. This game is not like other gachas, you aren’t required to have broken limiteds

[manic kiln]

you know what because of powercreep some 5 stars are worse than 3 or 4 stars esp if they're 1/5

[zealous karma]

We love power creep

[tired sleet]

Probably a playstyle thing but I vastly prefer using Kahilli to my 1/5 SuLiza

[devout sluice]

Suliza?

[cinder summit]

Liza (Summer 2023) & Celesteela

Acquisition:

Seasonal

Alternates:

Liza & Lunatone

[devout sluice]

Oooh

I was confused.

[trail smelt]

I sure hope they do all the easy ones (Johto), then the intermediate ones (Unova Alola), before jumping to the hard ones lol (Sinnoh Kalos Hoenn)

[swift swan]

i don't think they'll fuck up the rotation like that lol

we jumped from kanto to sinnoh for 2.5k because that's how the rotation goes

[old orchid]

According to Lost, next one should be Sinnoh in December

[fluid vessel]

Clemont looking at Electric Weak aaron

[swift swan]

i wonder if N can still bruteforce Aaron at 3k

1/5 N specifically

[trail smelt]

Surprise Galar on December and being even harder lol

[manic kiln]

no we still have alola left so Alola in december, sinnoh in jan

[civic trellis]

For what?

[trail smelt]

Left in what

[manic kiln]

the region rotation

only Alola left in the current rotation, then we will be back to Sinnoh unless they decide to add a new region

they started a new rotation/cycle whenever they add a new region

[civic trellis]

Hmmm in cycle 3-4 a new region was added right after johto (the first one in the cycle), cycle 6 sinnoh was added at the beginning and hoenn in the middle, cycle 7 adds kalos in the middle

And yeah cycle 7 changed up the whole order

Ig december will be alola and maybe we’ll get galar in january/february? Paldea may not be for a while

[manic kiln]

even if we get sinnoh in jan they might still add a new region somewhere in the middle

[civic trellis]

True

[manic kiln]

sinnoh, hoenn and kalos were pretty close tbh

[old orchid]

Galar might be next region, we have all Champion Cup opponents in the game already

[civic trellis]

Im interested to see what they do w it, my guess is raihan, nessa, bea/allister, rotate bw the rivals for the e4

[manic kiln]

well they increased the points so I hope we get new regions

[old orchid]

Certainly they are harder than Kalos Hoenn Sinnoh

[civic trellis]

Positive rebuff, wtz, wise/sentry entries, weird passive names etc. that promote 2023 limiteds

[old orchid]

Status Immunity

[fluid vessel]

Ball Guy: 📉 📉 📉

[zealous karma]

With sstred for sure

[swift swan]

oh right, so Alola was actually supposed to be this month, is that right? since i remember Alola coming after Unova

but they moved to Kanto first because of 3k?

[civic trellis]

Nah alola was after kanto last rotation as well it seems

Lines up w aloVA too ig

[fiery canopy]

whos a unit that goes well w solgaleo/hop duo

[old orchid]

A speed buffer

[civic trellis]

Colress is nice too

He helps w gauge tho u may need 3/5

[old orchid]

Colress doesnt help with gauge much, especially if Solgaleo isnt power boostes

Yeah really needs 3/5 for freebie tile

Tho i prefer a real speed support

[civic trellis]

Oh yeah that freebie tile is what I was thinking of

[fiery canopy]

gotcha

[civic trellis]

I thought he had charging infliction like hilbert but ig its just mgr?

[old orchid]

Freebie Infliction is straight upgrade of Charging Infliction

[civic trellis]

True, I meant I thought he had both

[old orchid]

That would be insane

[fluid vessel]

It is not

If you get more gauge with charging infliction than the cost of the move then it is better than freebie infliction

@

[fiery canopy]

also ss ethan usually wants a crit buffer right?

[civic trellis]

Not necessarily

His tm has crit up next

[old orchid]

Ideally you shouldnt do TM -> Aeroblast

Spamming 2 Aeroblast in a row is better

+2 crit support is enough, since Aeroblast has innate +1

[tired sleet]

It’d depend on whether it was charging infliction 2 (like bpclem) or 4 (like lucian)

[old orchid]

Lucian's is only 2

[tired sleet]

Oops, allegedly i was thinking of ss misty

[old orchid]

Tho he is very good because of aoe speed buffs

[distant moth]

Did the champion stadium just change to 15k?

[old orchid]

Yes

[distant moth]

I was rearranging stuff to do 2.5 k, when I noticed it went over it

And the total is now 15k

Dammit ;_;

[steel kelp]

Not worth

Don’t worry

[distant moth]

Okay

[swift swan]

it's fine to stay at 12.5k if you're not yet comfortable with 15k

the rewards aren't anything gamechanging

[distant moth]

15 more champion spirits and 10 more power up tickets

Yeah, you're right

[old orchid]

You could argue rewards past 4.3k arent worth your time

[distant moth]

You could, but not for me

I really need those champion spirits, have a bunch of guys sitting at 20 and need to EX

Okay, thanks for the reassurance!

[swift swan]

if you do CSMM regularly you're going to be swimming in them soon enough

[fiery canopy]

i am so bad at teambuilding lol
trying to beat lorelei w ss hau (w crit buff too to bypass parameters yada yada) and it is just not going right

[old orchid]

What team and parameters did you use?

[trail smelt]

I always pair them up with Gloria haha

[silver dirge]

that .. sounds like a gauge nightmare. Gloria, Hop and Solgaleo?

[trail smelt]

Always does the trick for me

Well except for Glacia once

[swift swan]

Hop has freevenge, gloria is a good gauge battery, and solgaleo more like BOGOleo now

i like to go Hop + Gloria + Steven and the gauge is fine

[silver dirge]

I haven't used Solgaleo in a hot minute tbh, should try him out again sometime

[manic kiln]

most steel are slow af, and the 2 free steel are doing better

[silver dirge]

[manic kiln]

Registeel is nice with the speed buff tho

[silver dirge]

[fiery canopy]

uhhhh lemme think
roxanne and sabrina
shauna and roxanne
sabrina and syca
ingo and emmet

[old orchid]

did you use SS Hau on R4? especially when he is below 3/5

i would bring an accuracy buffer/evasion debuffer to counter Lorelei's gimmick

[fiery canopy]

this is r1
yeah hes only 1/5

[old orchid]

save Lorelei for R1 then

i mean R4

mb

[fiery canopy]

oh gotcha

was gonna do agatha r4 for perm field effects but oh whale

[old orchid]

do you have Volkner? if yes you dont need to worry about terrain running out

his TM buffs accuracy too

[fiery canopy]

i do
i wanna use nc red and irida against agatha
should i fight agatha r1 then

[old orchid]

that team doesnt need perma field at all

i recommend planning all 5 teams before tackling CS

[fiery canopy]

gotcha
i have the rest of my teams plotted out mostly

ok yeah they cleared agatha lol

[fiery canopy]

i keep aaaaalmost beating bruno but then he kills me w his sync
v frustrating
using skyla, ss ethan, torchic (boosts his sp atk and crit)

[silver dirge]

Who's your tank?

[fiery canopy]

does skyla not tank very well

[old orchid]

is she 4 star at least?

[silver dirge]

She's fine I was just making sure it wasn't torchic

[fiery canopy]

OK GOT HIM lol
yeah she is

[agile drum]

hoenn 15k might break my current monotype teams

some of them aren't too good

[worldly yew]

Are the 3k presets out ?

[zealous karma]

I don’t believe so

[rotund lagoon]

Note that we’ve been finding that the 3k params are heavily team-reliant.

[peak stirrup]

Lance is rough, only one that double striker isn’t working well when I don’t have OP on type pairs

[worldly yew]

Just did the 15k with these teams. And yes they’re heavily team reliant.

[zealous karma]

Congrats! For future clears you can post your clears in #1010274591601598555 (also 900 stamina )

[cold tusk]

what parameters everyone using for pre sync clear for 3k

[old orchid]

I usually add a bit of HP or some attack up

But do note that 3k is heavily team reliant

[cold tusk]

should i just run all the strength?

[old orchid]

If you are confident

No hurt trying out

[cold tusk]

ice easy

first one worked

[cold tusk]

15k took all the strength tiles, might be a pain in the ass with the more recent cs regions

[old orchid]

Idt you will struggle with these op pairs, but yeah might need some adjustments for harder regions

[toxic cobalt]

All the strength tiles is my default now too

[nova fiber]

has anyone got an example of a f2p 15k mastermode? a friend of mine is struggling with the new cap and I'd like to find a resource for them

but I'm having difficulty finding any for f2p 3k yet

[tired sleet]

#1097597679015567420 has some poison stall ideas

An update to the Master Mode param presets is in the works rn

[toxic cobalt]

#1011675077764456519 message

[fiery canopy]

as soon as i manage to get 12.5k a 15k mode is released fuckin hell

[swift swan]

it's fine, the rewards for 15k aren't too huge. get comfortable with 12.5k and raise your points slowly

[fiery canopy]

aaaanyway i need to make a team for ss hau against lorelei
oh i probably wont even bother w 15 LOL

could just cheese it w ss mina but i wanna save her for blue

ok i used her. couldnt resist the power of cheese

[silver dirge]

How does SS Mina cheese?

Just the damage guard/heal?

[fiery canopy]

yeah
shes my best support next to ss acerola

ok but now i have the problem of blue
hmmmnmhm

[weak sleet]

Do we have any good parameters for new maximum?

[steel kelp]

Might as well make a pin saying there are no params for 15k

[low linden]

Do your usual 2.5k and add 500 more

Adjust to your team

I'm pretty sure this has been said too often here

[weak sleet]

Oh my apologies I haven't been in here to ask I didn't know

[swift swan]

it's getting more and more difficult to make 3k guides because it's starting to get very team dependant

the safest bet is adding strength

a good damage dealer should still be able to presync strength 10

[fiery canopy]

got him weee

[weak sleet]

Awesome thank you!

Are the rewards even worth the extra bit?

[low linden]

Nope

But if u want max reward sure

[swift swan]

depends on you. if it's too stressful and you're not comfortable with 15k yet, don't force yourself, the rewards aren't worth it

we do 15k because we can, the rewards are quite negligible

[trail smelt]

More champion spirits is lol

[frosty axle]

not at all, it only adds two 5* potential tickets a month unless you think that's good

glad it didn't add bp points or a coin so I can ignore 15k

[devout sluice]

Same honestly.

[nova fiber]

these are extremely helpful, thank you

[weak sleet]

Oh it really adds next to nothing. Thanks

[main crow]

I exed Hilda for the HS time to get her some usage

Starting to get bored of my other 2 fire lineup anw

[silver dirge]

She's boutta go crazy with the SC Steven enable there

[main crow]

Hell yeah I want to see that big piggy boi slam down some huge numbers

[silver dirge]

[main crow]

Gonna run HP too

[silver dirge]

Max HP my beloved

[main crow]

Now give us new HP params so our HP 3K can be purely HP again

[silver dirge]

I wonder if you stack PMUNs and SEUN, does recoil become a problem again even with the steadfasts

[silver dirge]

Fr

[main crow]

I can test that out on cobalion but that means she won't have the sun

[silver dirge]

yea true

[main crow]

But from logic alone, probably would still die

[silver dirge]

[main crow]

Small price to pay to see big funny numbers

[silver dirge]

For sure

At least she's one of the better recoil units like Elesa after their grid expansions

Unlike Furbert

[main crow]

Standfast 9 my beloved

[silver dirge]

[steel kelp]

Just use SS acerola

[paper summit]

Recoil Removal 9 LS when?

[silver dirge]

After we get a 2nd LS preset

(Never)

[paper summit]

[main crow]

Ur right damn I shoulda thought sooner

[dim depot]

I'm wondering what parameters to even add on to make the extra points. It will limit the kinds of units I can use or maybe not be as fun

[zealous karma]

I tried some teams and they worked (molayne + hop) so I think on type should be fine but 1/5 off typing is less powerful

[fluid vessel]

Just do stall because anyone should be able to do it

[brave halo]

OK so what looks better for next week fire, before it gets stated, no matter what lodge calem is staying on the team

[mellow linden]

SS Hilda team since Serena wants more help from Supports

Both teams can probably work, but SS Hilda will be significantly easier to pull off

[brave halo]

Tho actually I blanked on one other character, sshilbert

[mellow linden]

I’d probably put it SS Hilda >= SS Hilbert > Serena in terms of who the best 3rd is if the core is Lodge Calem + SS Morty

[brave halo]

Ssmorty is kinda there cause one of the best supports

This is all meant to make lodge calem work tbh

[mellow linden]

Ah, if you’re specifically working to max Lodge Calem’s damage output then I’d go with SS Hilbert > SS Hilda > Serena, since SS Hilbert has Fire Rebuff and Sp. Def. debuffs

[brave halo]

True I had that thought but would the idea of no ex on him change it?

[mellow linden]

You’re not Syncing with SS Hilbert regardless, so EX wouldn’t have any impact. The stat gain from the powerups won’t make any noticeable difference unless there’s a lot of underlying issues

In which case the underlying issues would be the problem

[brave halo]

Oh I meant no ex from calem

Sorry should've said that

[mellow linden]

Should be fine, absolute worst case you have SS Hilbert to clean up the sides since he can definitely be fully setup by the time center goes down

[brave halo]

Starting to wish ripple was also for the rebuff

[mellow linden]

Eh, it won’t matter all that much since the Sp. Def. debuffs + Heat Wave spam will soften up the sides a lot by the time the center goes down

[brave halo]

True

At least that team is sorted out, thanks

Does anyone remember real quick the suggested strategy in game for ghost agatha?

[mellow linden]

Ghost weak Agatha? You can check what she does on pomatools, but tbh it really won't matter much because Kanto has little to no true gimmicks

Pretty much any even remotely competent team will destroy Kanto CS

[rich needle]

I like using hp conditions but I’m a weirdo

Don’t do that

[rotund lagoon]

HP isn’t that bad if you have very good damage dealers

[rich needle]

Ah but you see I don’t take the techy stuff like no conditions and such

I take strength up, the 600 point one and so on

I don’t take sync buff and power hit up obviously because I’m not completely insane

(Actually I might have +1 powerup on a set but negh)

[zinc island]

So how was the new changes in CS for everybody was it fine?

[mellow linden]

It really depends on your teams and your preferred playstyle. I was able to slap some extra Max HP params onto my usual 2.5k parameters and it went fine, but YMMV

[zinc island]

Ever since the new 12.5K points which is not so new i've become pretty good at adjusting parameters however now i don't think i can do 15K solo runs anymore.

[zealous karma]

Its possible but the units woulf have to be already very good

[wide adder]

What does ymmv mean? Your something may vary I assume is part of it? Or am I wrong on the assumption

Not familiar with that

[trail smelt]

Your mileage may vary

[wide adder]

Ah. At least I was able to figure out most of it accurately. Thanks

[cedar fable]

any tips on beating bruno?

[old orchid]

bring a good defense buffer

what team and parameters are you using?

[cedar fable]

Skyla blue and the golbat team rocket guy

[silver dirge]

[old orchid]

how about parameters

[silver dirge]

Bruno's got Impervious

[old orchid]

buffer

[silver dirge]

Oh

[old orchid]

[silver dirge]

Oopsies

+reading

[frozen depot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855438548684374045/1069103333429747752/image-2.png

[silver dirge]

🚶‍♂️

[cedar fable]

No idea

What even is that

[old orchid]

i recommend using the 2.5k pre sync params pinned here, and add more strength

wait are you doing hard or master mode

[cedar fable]

Hard mode

I’m missing a few types

[toxic cobalt]

How are you buffing? Relying on MPr or combining Blue and Proton?

[old orchid]

oh hard mode, you should use more types as possible

[cedar fable]

So what pairs do you recommend?

[toxic cobalt]

What types do you still need?

And who have you already beaten?

[cedar fable]

Ive beaten all 3 besides it

And missing fairy ground grass poison ghost flying

[toxic cobalt]

Well using blue is good, then find supports that help in the missing types

[cedar fable]

Just got absolutely destroyed

[cedar fable]

The next reset is at 13/11 right?

[old orchid]

reset is on every Monday

so yes

[wide adder]

I’m uncertain on my fairy and ground teams atm . Which ground and fairy units should I build around on Monday? I’m assuming pserena for fairy but I’m not certain if she’d deal enough on 3k tbh to take out sides once mids gone

Filtered to ground and fairy moves

Would like to use Naomi for ground but I suspect her team would struggle p hard with the hp increase

[old orchid]

for Ground, Naomi + Courtney + Ingo is a solid team. You can even replace Naomi with Zerena

2/5 Pal Serena is enough, you can pair her with Anni Lillie for double Fairy dps

[thin pecan]

Is there a list of the rules that we're supposed to use to get the new amount?

[silver dirge]

Do you mean the parameters to get to 3k?

[thin pecan]

I think so? Whatever the new max is

[rotund lagoon]

3k is the new max, but the rewards between 2.5 and 3k are just a few more and
We’re also finding out the params to get to 3k are heavily team reliant.

[nocturne pawn]

the best way of figuring out 3k is experimentation

[silver dirge]

Experiment with Half Ally HP At Start (Strong Defensive/Healing tank or team wide defense buffs), or you can play around with Max Sync Countdown & utilise some sort of denials (flinch, freeze, sleep, KO). Outside of that it's just a matter of additional HP/Strength

[toxic cobalt]

Freeze

[silver dirge]

Yea, pair with Freeze Synergy 16 Pryce

[toxic cobalt]

We have literally one unit with a passable freeze and he doesn’t need Pryce

[silver dirge]

[toxic cobalt]

I abandoned Pryce Ghetsis duo after 7.5k and I’m never going back

[silver dirge]

that sounds like hell

[fluid vessel]

that never stopped LG players

[toxic cobalt]

LG has a BP Erika solo I don’t even know what vile sorceries they do to do what they do

[fluid vessel]

well

she is a vampire unit

vampire unit = win vs latios

unless it is a vampire eggmon

[brave halo]

So a new problem I found is deciding on a better ghost to use for agatha, however I need to prove myself and work with other characters over annilillie or rencynthia, but idk what to use, the ones circled are the ones currently lucky skilled

[fluid vessel]

Literal Hell

[tired sleet]

Nearly everyone would work
Evictor + Shauntal + crit/spatk support would be a pretty easy clear

[brave halo]

Like lodge dawn? She does get team sharp in grid

[tired sleet]

Try to look for a support with +3 crit if you’re using shauntal

Or just use Allister in place of her

[rotund lagoon]

I would also recommend SSR Cynthia for zone over Lucian. Her Shadow Ball DPS will be fine in the battle.

[brave halo]

Lucian was there for growl stupefy cause the dusknoir is physical

[zealous karma]

Is it possible for you to change your support or do you want to use dawn

[rotund lagoon]

More people use Lucian for Sp Df drops, the Atk isn’t as necessary.

[brave halo]

Yeah I know that but seeing that dusknoir would just wreck my day, I'll be spamming growl from him and struggle bug from lodge dawn

[zealous karma]

Well it’s ti help the teams survivability I assume, it’s additional Utility lucian also offers so

[rotund lagoon]

Yeah but finding ways to boost your damage is better in most cases, especially with a Ghost roster like that.

[brave halo]

Cause since I'm banning myself from annilillie I don't have aoe sync

That will try to eq right away and demolish if left alone

[rotund lagoon]

Zone will help any of your Ghost units.

[brave halo]

So far I'm at this cause if anything, helena does have sharp entry in grid

[rotund lagoon]

Victor is good, just note he will probably take over first sync vs Support sync if you want to keep zone.

[brave halo]

My only hope is if we get perma field

[rotund lagoon]

And what if you don’t?

[steel kelp]

What does perma field matter

Just kill while it’s up

Or set it up again

[brave halo]

Then I pray I can kill in time before they aoe

[rotund lagoon]

I would be completely honest with you
You could do Fantina.

Just grid her, she is so much better now :3

[silver dirge]

Definitely over Helena

[brave halo]

Yeah she is gridded but not crit striked

Or even ex

[rotund lagoon]

As someone who tested her without CS2 on for some reason……..you’re fine.

[rotund lagoon]

No EX necessary.

[silver dirge]

Yea that CS2 is just 20% it's not going to matter in the grand scheme of things

[brave halo]

Wait

.....oh

[rotund lagoon]

Show the grid visual, not the list.

[brave halo]

I was mainly showing that crit strike is already on her

Cause honestly I wasn't aware

[rotund lagoon]

So? You can stack it.

[silver dirge]

Well I mean another CS2 would still stack on top of that, it's just a multiplier for her on grid

[brave halo]

I guess I'm just so used to just 1 crit strike hit

[rotund lagoon]

Can you show the grid visual please?

[rotund lagoon]

That’s a good grid
Have you gridded the other presets? You could do the OAR one if you’re using SSRC over Lucian

[brave halo]

I got 3 others

[rotund lagoon]

Good! All good grids!
So use Fantina as the damage dealer. Lucian can help to setup her nuke, or use SSRC for zone. But make sure you have a Support that helps Fantina setup faster either way.

[brave halo]

Honestly just like annilillie, I'm banning myself from using rencynthia

It's a matter of pride and all to make recording more interesting

[rotund lagoon]

I’ve tested units myself, but no need to restrict yourself if you’re genuinely struggling on a stage.

[brave halo]

Yeah I only been doing when desperate

Like whatever day I just swallowed my shattered pride and used ncred and irida when I want to use candice abomasnow

[silver dirge]

No problem with using the units you've pulled for Of course the less out-there units will need a lil more hand-holding and strategy to clear the same stages the top tier ones will with a click of a button or two

[brave halo]

Yeah if I wasn't recording, or even sharing my hall of fame for that matter, I wouldn't have a care in the world but now it's like "no I need to prove myself, I can play this game with nearly anyone"

But now the current team

[silver dirge]

It's good to try new strategies/units, just as long as you're not pressuring yourself too much

[brave halo]

The rest of my teams should work, maybe fairy might have trouble but I'll cross that bridge when I get there

[rotund lagoon]

Make sure to get BP Valerie if you haven’t!

[brave halo]

I have that one but my fairies are different set up, and actually I just changed a few minutes ago

The whole point this time was to let lodge lillie be used

[rotund lagoon]

The thing about Lodge Lillie…that team won’t help her get fully setup.

[brave halo]

I didn't care if she was set up or side or whatever

As long as she is used

Unlike the earlier fire one with lodge calem where I actively had him in there as focus

[rotund lagoon]

Basic teambuilding states that you should focus on using the right teammates to get your damage dealer fully setup and going as soon as possible.

Also SS Wally’s B Move gimmick is so weird…..if you wanna get his gimmick going, he will have to be the one to sync first.

Or if you have a Mega Support like SS Brendan, that helps it.

[brave halo]

My only mega supports are glacia and sabrina

But like, that's skyla right there

Oh and jasmine too

[rotund lagoon]

I do see that it’s Skyla right there ^^;;;;;;;;;
But I’m saying if you have the right Support to get over his gimmick, that’s fine. If not, it will just be trickier, is all.

[silver dirge]

Lillie has no way to buff her crit on that team

[brave halo]

I have her set as side for overwhelm

[rotund lagoon]

I beg your pardon

She’s a side piece????

[steel kelp]

What

Lillie a side piece

When you think you’ve seen everything

[silver dirge]

I'm really confused, why do you need overwhelm?

[steel kelp]

Actually nvm this tracks coming from you

[rotund lagoon]

I’m fine with SS Wally being used as a main damage dealer. That’s no huge deal. But that combo is not good for setting up.

[silver dirge]

At 2/5 Wally has no sync multipliers other than the innate, so you don't need any sort of debuffing

[rotund lagoon]

Do or don’t?

[silver dirge]

don't

Innate is just Fairy Zone

[brave halo]

They all use physical, so it'll be faster having -6 since I only get to B move once

[rotund lagoon]

SS Wally’s B Move is already good in debuffing. Setup is more important.

[rotund lagoon]

OH LOOOL

[silver dirge]

I don't think you should focus on getting their offenses down just for the sake of it, that mostly only matters for post-sync strategies like stall. You're pre syncing I presume, you should primarily focus on the debuffs when it's tied to a multiplier

[brave halo]

I'm mainly waiting for after they sync, cause it will happen no doubt

One sync at 3k just ruins my day

[silver dirge]

If you want to go for Lillie's nuke, which is pretty good in itself, then you should definitely be getting their attack to -6 because her sync is a Pecking Order innate

[rotund lagoon]

You don’t need to do 3k, just so you know

[brave halo]

Rewards and pride say otherwise

[silver dirge]

Well it's up to you if you'd like to try it, no harm in experimenting. But for 3k I would strongly recommend focusing on pre-sync, post-sync will become really punishing with higher strengths & parameters like power on hit

Both Lillie & Wally there should have a sufficiently strong nuke to clear mid by 2nd sync, if you go for EX Support first. Skyla is not great there though, go for someone who actually buffs helpful stats for your DDs

[brave halo]

I'm actually thinking of swapping skyla for Easter burgh or sycamore and wally for someone else cause the mega stuff just hurts since my mega supports are kinda draining

[rotund lagoon]

Sabrina does work btw

[brave halo]

Haven't been able to see it myself cause she just dies very quickly to a lot of things for me

But quickly that's how the team would've looked

Actually I do have one thought, hypothetical, what if I swap wally for lucien?

[silver dirge]

Would you be committing to a Lillie sync then?

You'd be heavily lacking DPS in that team

[brave halo]

I'd probably have to but here's what I'm thinking for the team

[silver dirge]

I mean it'll work, but there's no way Lillie clears 2 sides with just AoE Dazzling Gleam DPS at 3K lol, you're going to need at least 2, likely 3 syncs in total

If you think you can survive that long, sure

[rotund lagoon]

@brave halo

[brave halo]

I mean I could do either team as long as I use lodge lillie, I just knew all the drawback because sswally being discussed felt like I need to change

[silver dirge]

If you're going to change it should be meaningful. The most ideal scenario is you deal with SS Wally's gimmick so he can stay on the team, which is a Mega support with an EX buff. Sabrina & SS Blue come to mind, both will work

[brave halo]

Don't have blue

He's the only kantrio ss to evade me this long

[brave halo]

Wait which stage is that?

[rotund lagoon]

This is the Challenge Battle in Penny’s event.

[brave halo]

Oh I had sswally actually with base valerie cause I felt like it

I wish her ex came earlier

But will it be a problem at 3k tho? Or even when wally only 2/5 atm?

[silver dirge]

In all fairness, Sabrina is on the more frail side of supports. But you can get by with some reset RNG, Reflect (where applicable) and a lil' patience. That's the biggest part of trying new things or the less "meta' units, it's going to take some experimenting & tweaking

Luckily the upcoming Fairy weak Lance is fully physical so reflect is going to help you a fair bit

[brave halo]

Yep hence the earlier thought of lucian too cause stupefy growl

But sswally got that sweet fairy rebuff

[silver dirge]

Yep, and he also debuffs attack by -4 himself

[brave halo]

That too

I'll just have both teams on standby for now just incase one can't work no matter what I try

I think for now, that'll make my teams complete

[pseudo hawk]

how's that lodge lillie btw? i have her i just havent really tried her out

[brave halo]

I have no idea yet, this is for next week

Trying a completely new one but I have a jist that it'll be set up tm and then spam fairy moves

[rotund lagoon]

She’s great!!

[pseudo hawk]

oh nice nice

what about her is like, crazy nice

cause rn i roll with SS Mina, SS Wally, and Diantha

all EX'd

for the fairy team

[rotund lagoon]

I take it back, I forgot I gridded her before I leveled her

[rotund lagoon]

That’s a really good team (but kinda overkill)

Lillie just has a good nuke, really

[pseudo hawk]

ah ok

[pseudo hawk]

lol thanks
i mean i personally like it
thinking of pulling Penny to replace Mina there since Mina could just work well in other off-type teams

moreso water than anything

[fluid vessel]

Permanent Field so fair and balanced
SSLyra so fair and balanced

[mellow linden]

To be 100% honest I'd bet SS Wally + another Fairy damage-dealer + an appropriate Support could 3k at least Kanto CS regardless of whether or not Wally has to take 1st Sync

[left storm]

I mean I managed to beat 2.5k fairy weak drasna with sylveon solo DPS with elessa + sycamore

It's definitely doable to 3k that stage with any fairy freebie if you give them enough support

[north crown]

bro I beat 3k CSMM without stupidly broken units

[fluid vessel]

[north crown]

well aside from champ which I am beating rn

[fluid vessel]

Stuff like Clemont and Sycamore are free wins

They can't die unless they get OHKO

[north crown]

ofc I get rafa'd

[fluid vessel]

[brave halo]

Actually thinking about it, I might need to ask to be safe, is Korrina gonna act similar to Olivia in a way? Pretty poor regular moves but great sync? Or am I dumb and it's the other way around?

[north crown]

bro r u kidding me

[brave halo]

What? Was it something I said?

[north crown]

no I just got rafa'd again

[fluid vessel]

[north crown]

I can't believe I have to switch my CS team for the first time in forever

[fluid vessel]

I am Just missing the champion

Time for the Ash solo

[brave halo]

I actually gave Petrel the W for this week

[north crown]

I'll try this 1/5 Ariana EX team one more time then I'm switching

[mellow linden]

Do you mean SS Korrina or base Korrina?

[brave halo]

Base sorry should've specified

[mellow linden]

Her Sync isn’t much to write home about since there’s no modifiers and the Mega Evolution Base Power penalty, Close Combat is fairly reasonable damage

[manic kiln]

base korrina is a terrible unit, she has no multiplier, in what way is she similar to Olivia
also needs a lot of support for regular dps

[north crown]

istg I keep getting rafad

[mellow linden]

Iirc you have NC Hop, so him + Korrina + an appropriate Support should work fine for 3k on at least a Fighting weak stage in Kanto CS

[north crown]

oh nvm I had phys reduc 8 on I'm dubm

[brave halo]

Currently I got her, BP clemont, and aaron

The main issue is that stupid evasion

[mellow linden]

If your Aaron is 3/5 you can grid Precision Pals on him, though unless you absolutely must run Korrina both without Fighting Zone and as a solo damage-dealer I think NC Hop will contribute a lot more than BP Clemont

[fluid vessel]

[brave halo]

As long as i use korrina, that's all

Its just mainly that evasion she gets, with BP clemont getting x acc all, figured that was the way to go

[mellow linden]

Then something like NC Hop + Korrina + Aaron (or depending on your options another Attack or Attack + crit Support) should work fine. The evasion shenanigans aren’t as impactful as they might seem, worst case scenario if you get really shafted by RNG just reset and try again

To a certain extent RNG resets will always be a factor in CS, be it evasion shenanigans, a failed crit on Sync, or getting the MP Refresh on an important Trainer Move at the start

[manic kiln]

maylene is a great support here if you don't want to use limited units, atk and crit buff, + sure hit from tm

[fluid vessel]

Pokémon as a franchise is plagued with RNG

[brave halo]

I'm kinda thinking classic gio tbh

He gets both attack buffing and crit raising, enough to at least reach I think +3 in atk maybe

[mellow linden]

Is your Aaron 2/5+? Because if so he can max Attack + crit himself

[brave halo]

Oh wait no +5

[brave halo]

Wait hold up, I don't even need the crit raising support cause CHop

[mellow linden]

I’m inclined to recommend him, or a 3/5+ Hilbert or 3/5+ Sonia if you have one, over C. Giovanni then, personally. It’s the same amount of turns for more overall Attack and depending on the Support some additional benefits (Precision Pals and defensive buffs from Aaron, gauge support from Hilbert or Sonia)

[rotund lagoon]

I’d rather you use Aaron to reduce the amount of setup from NC Hop

[brave halo]

Sonia 5/5, Hilbert 3/5

[mellow linden]

Depending on the Attack buffer it might be fine, but yeah, unless you’re gonna need to use the Attack + crit Supports elsewhere it’ll be slightly more efficient to run one of them since they can handle all the buffs and thus let NC Hop start throwing out his Defense debuffs and Fighting Zone faster

Sonia would be great, can handle Attack + crit buffs and offers some gauge Support

[brave halo]

There's one thing I haven't mentioned that might sway thing

Pure special

[mellow linden]

Wdym

[manic mica]

Is the new parameters guide updated?

Looking to add +500 but idk which one to choose

[mellow linden]

Not quite yet due to in-part the parameter additions being very dependent on the team and playstyle

[manic mica]

I see

But it’s possible right to complete the new 30k?

[mellow linden]

For some basic additions Strength and/or Max HP depending on your 2.5k parameter set will usually work alright

[mellow linden]

15k points total, but yes

[manic mica]

I’ll go look for video guides later on. Ty

Just need a good playstyle for poison and steel

[fluid vessel]

poison stages are for the most part designed for poison stall

[manic mica]

Sadly yes

There’s no good poison striker atm

[mellow linden]

There’s plenty of good Poison damage-dealers

[manic mica]

Because for CS, my playstyle is post sync damage teams

[mellow linden]

Even if you have none of the limited options you have Roxie, Lucy, and Koga as options

[manic mica]

I may need deoxys off type for poison but I’ll see

[paper summit]

I mean, you can always just poison stall that stage if that's what you want

[brave halo]

All the moves they use are special, both sonia and hilbert can't buff spdef

[paper summit]

but poison has plenty of good options that people love to diss for whatever reason

[brave halo]

Thankfully none of the ko moves on the sides are spread moves

[mellow linden]

That shouldn’t be a problem, NC Hop + Korrina should KO the opponents too fast for it to become a significant issue

[rotund lagoon]

That should not be a problem if you can clear the stage easy with those teams

[manic mica]

Tech poison are better in my opinion

[rotund lagoon]

It’s not about the role, it’s about the units themselves

[paper summit]

I mean, the role is irrelevant

damage dealers can be strikers or tech, it doesn't matter

[brave halo]

Or even field or sprint

[mellow linden]

Tech pairs can be damage-dealers just fine, Tech is just a sliding scale of combining utility and damage

[brave halo]

Or sometimes even support

Hi dps hop and dawn

[rotund lagoon]

Again, roles are irrelevant.

[brave halo]

But will say, tmk poison does have one the best kinda of teams to not even use supports, specifically without the Uber broken pairs unlike electric or ice

And it does get funny slicing to bits with B cross poison in zone with badly poison

[fluid vessel]

Poison has plenty of strong options

[brave halo]

Hmm OK maybe im crazy but

Could I try hop with korrina?

[mellow linden]

You mean regular Hop as the Support?

[brave halo]

Yeah

Give him adrenaline in grid too

[steel kelp]

No bea?

[mellow linden]

I mean, he’d probably be at the lower end of Attack + crit Supports, but as long as you’re managing gauge fine that’s not saying much since all the Attack + crit Supports are good

[brave halo]

I wanted to specifically use korrina this time

[mellow linden]

Eh, if they wanna use Korrina as the main damage-dealer it’s no big deal, Korrina + NC Hop + Support will still shred

[brave halo]

Mostly I'm seeing either hop or hilbert, hop has all the buffs and healing, but hilbert can do buffs faster but I sometimes get fearful when no healing

But hop's problem is it only let's get to +2 crit unless I get lucky of mpr

[manic kiln]

you will need all the supports you need to clear asap because with the way you always doing postsync + weird parameters Korrina won't survive

[mellow linden]

MPR reliance for Attack + crit Supports is normal and you’re forgetting Sonia

[brave halo]

Sonia has a lesser amount of chance hence the thought of hop

[mellow linden]

The difference isn’t enough to disregard the benefits she offers to a team

I say from a lot of experience, doing resets for an MP Refresh on your main Support’s Trainer Move is incredibly normal, and since you’ll be able to see if you need to reset after the Support’s 2nd move it won’t even take that long per reset

[brave halo]

She's still good but I just wish I didn't rely on that mpr luck

I might stick to hilbert for turn 1 +3 crit, unless I find someone else, give me a minute just to be safe

[fluid vessel]

you are overexaggerating over a mpr

[mellow linden]

I’m gonna tell you, the majority of competent teams are reliant on getting at least 1 MPR from the main Support in order to get buffs finished up

It’s a minor issue at most and in the absolute worst cases all it does is eat a few minutes of time

MPR reliance for offensive buffs is nowhere near enough to outweigh the benefits the rest of the kit can provide, be it Aaron’s tanking, Sonia’s gauge support and Defense debuffs, etc.

Another way to think about it is this: in exchange for taking on a bit of RNG at the very start of the fight, you can eliminate possible problems from late in the fight that would force you to reset anyways

[brave halo]

Wait I think I found someone, surge

[rotund lagoon]

Please read what Cobalt just said…

[mellow linden]

Hilbert is better than BP Surge, if you’re dead-set on not wanting MP Refresh

[north crown]

so apparently 1/5 Ariana EX max nuke isn't enough. I would need SEUP

but Red would be too much of a carry since he trivializes almost every CS stage

even though I used 1/5 HJasmine EX and 1/5 Nemona but that's not the point. I would argue this is better than using any MF rat

[brave halo]

If anything, it's either one of those two cause I'm sure I'm meant to sync first with korrina

[north crown]

@brave halo having a problem with a stage?

[brave halo]

Preparing for next week actually

[north crown]

can I see/hear ur plans?

[brave halo]

Like my current teams is mainly what I got set up if that's what you mean

[north crown]

they're all spread out

[brave halo]

That wasn't all of them, I can easily show them all at once

[north crown]

NCHop lmao

ok let me list every team and my opinion:

[rotund lagoon]

I see no issues with any of them in terms of synergy

[fluid vessel]

it is overkill in all of them except fantina lol

[mellow linden]

A lot of those teams are built with specific restrictions in mind, just for reference

[north crown]

Team 1: NCHop lmao. Bro can burst dual DPS clear with Bea in a few moves so I see no major issues here.
Team 2: NCBlue carry real! Sandstorm is all Naomi really needs to DPS+nuke.
Team 3: wacky team.
Team 4: Got no complaints other than this tip: EVictor's sync is more vaulable for presync.
Team 5: 2 nukers . That's a problem unless you're only using SSWally for his zone, in whic case that's sad.

[brave halo]

All the teams except for ghost has the one in the middle being focus

Ghost is specifically me banning myself from using annilillie and rencynthia

[north crown]

I get everything you're saying but also: ghost zone

more valuable than supp EX imo, esp if you got a nuke grid on either ghost units

[left storm]

Well yeah, that's what I said

F2p options cleared 2.5k hardest stages so

[mellow linden]

If they wanna roll with that team for now it's fine, worst case scenario they can switch to a different team later

[left storm]

3k Kanto is a joke

When we'll get to actually hard stages, f2ps should clear with some help still

[fluid vessel]

It is a joke but lorelei refuses to miss attacks!

OFC AS I SAID THAT SHE MISSES

[brave halo]

She's mainly there for struggle bug stuff

[fluid vessel]

She can offtype

[north crown]

...rly? imo you would rather be taking in a more crit buff oriented support like TLElesa

[brave halo]

I mean fantina would be +3 crit anyway

Her own tm plus a grid slot and victor tm

[north crown]

unlike LG, slow buffing is unfavorable

• we want to be attacking ASAP for her mind games to do significant damage

[manic mica]

You used this for this week?

[brave halo]

I'd only have to use free tms for lowered free sync countdown

Then spam attacks

[brave halo]

No for next

[manic mica]

What teams did you use this week?

[brave halo]

Go check my runs thread, cause I'm blanking on being allowed to share clear screens over here on this spot #1127046441085452379

[rotund lagoon]

If you need help with CS, you can ask us here @manic mica btw
One of us in my role will try to help

[north crown]

YES I DID CHAMP 3K ONTYPE WITHOUT BROKEN UNITS YES

[fluid vessel]

We have to judge that

[north crown]

Lana EX, Looker, 1/5 Ariana who didn't nuke

[fluid vessel]

sorry Lana vampire unit

[north crown]

I'll show my first 3K run in my abandoned thread in #1010274591601598555

[brave halo]

But yeah back on topic about lodge elesa vs dawn, it's looks to be the same amount of set up time

[north crown]

bro I had ally heal -5 on

[brave halo]

The only thing looking good on lodge elesa is adrenaline in her grid

[fluid vessel]

I don't think absorbing HP moves falls into healing moves

[north crown]

it does

have you never tried using sycamore with that node before?

[brave halo]

Idk why it wouldn't, cause remember the no healing in HS

[fluid vessel]

he is healing 30% of the damage

which was 500ish

[north crown]

also for the record: Lana only healed off 2 HP from Leech Life - that extra healing all came from grad heal.

[north crown]

that's cuz sycamore has 2 MH nodes. Even with this nerf he still heals a lot

[manic mica]

Thank you for the suggestion 🙂 atm I don’t have time, only time to chat and see the strats people chat here. Tomorrow I’m attacking cs since today is bday day 🙂

[brave halo]

Yeah you wouldn't really feel the param all much if you have a bunch of mh active

[manic mica]

It just that this week started adding the +500

So it’s overwhelming and nervous but once these next weeks passes, CS will be a breeze

[fluid vessel]

no Ally Heal -5: 286 damage -> 80 heal
Ally Heal -5: 250 damage -> 75 heal

there is no difference in HP healed, both were 30%

10% from base move + 20% from MH1 twice

[mellow linden]

Do note that you can just stick with 12.5k if you want, the difference in rewards between 12.5k and 15k is pretty small

[fluid vessel]

oh wait it does

[north crown]

there we go: #1030190996773929033 message

[rotund lagoon]

I’m doing that if it makes you feel any better.

[manic mica]

I have 80% units from 2020-2022, this year I went straight to f2p

So I’ll be fine and it’s fun actually because it’s a challenge

[north crown]

If anyone has trouble with CS at all, I'm here to help now.

[fluid vessel]

tested again

264 HP with no Ally Healed -5: 79 HP heal (30%)

256 HP with Ally Healed -5: 76 HP heal (30%)

yeah I don't think Ally Heal -5 affects absorbing HP moves

[north crown]

... then why did I only heal 2 HP per LL?

ig cuz I got an unboosted atk on an opponent with shields up with no offensive buffs

[fluid vessel]

and standard damage reduction

[north crown]

oh yeah that too

[fluid vessel]

Those solos becoming more annoying

[tame gust]

Man. I wanted to smack Bruno with AnniSkyla but 1/5 is sad life. Guess I just go the traditional Blue Bird and hurricane.

[rotund lagoon]

Yeah sadly 1/5 is more utility.

[manic kiln]

she can absolutely clear at 1/5. people acting like 1/5 is bad and useless this is only true for very old pokefairs and seasonals

[fluid vessel]

even worse because it is ontype

[tame gust]

I'm gonna use 'em both together. Just deciding on my support.

[old orchid]

Zone setters are meant to be used with a dmg dealer anyway

[tame gust]

yup, just had to change the support and get a couple lucky flinches. RIP bruno

[tame gust]

Oh, poor Blue. SS Roxie ate 'em alive.

[chilly vigil]

Ok so hi! I just finished up basically all of legendary arena and wanted to try my hand at the elite 4 on hard now

Does anyone mind helping theory craft what i could take here to complete it?

I’m trying to maximize types so i can unlock master mode but if I can’t really do it now then it can wait lol

[silver dirge]

[chilly vigil]

[silver dirge]

Is this your first time tackling the medal?

[chilly vigil]

Yep

I’ve kinda just been putting it off cause I’ve been to lazy to plan it out lmao

[silver dirge]

Alrighty, so it's going to take at least 2 rotations to get the full medal in

18 types, and you can have a maximum of 3 pairs x 5 teams = 15 in one rotation

Luckily CS rotates in the reset after the next so you're not going to have to wait too long

Gimmi a sec I'll form some quick teams for ya

[chilly vigil]

Oh thank you so much!

[silver dirge]

Would you mind sending screenshots of your supports, strikes & techs separately? It's easier to organise that way

[chilly vigil]

Oh yeah sure

Hold up

[zealous karma]

There’s also +tracker if you ever want to set that up

+tracker

[frozen depot]

Link : https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker/
Use this video guide to properly filter your pairs : https://imgur.com/a/2ONrAcl
Fill your pairs > Turn Visibility only for "Have" > Filter by Type then Role > Turn On "Separators" > Print with "Image" button

[zealous karma]

Oh wow 3/5 ssmay and 2/5 ssroxie those are two incredible units

[chilly vigil]

I live for how many resources you guys have set up for this game btw

Some gacha games are just complete and utter suffering to learn anything

Ie granblue

[zealous karma]

We do a lot for people to learn the game even tho it’s simple it’s got plenty of depth that would be a crime not explaining and also tracker makes it easier for you and us to send screenshots and I’m sure the creators are glad to hear that too!

[chilly vigil]

Yeah i got very lucky on the roxie banner lol I’m pretty sure i got both on my first pull

[silver dirge]

Vs Lance: MC/Solgaleo, NC Calem, <Filler>
Vs Lorelei: SS Hilda, <Filler Tank>, <Filler 3rd>
Vs Bruno: Blue, Falkner, <Filler>
Vs Agatha: SS Hilbert, Kiawe, <Filler>
Vs Blue: SS Roxie, <Filler Tank>, <Filler 3rd>

You've got a great roster here so should be smooth sailing , any time I've written "Filler" it just means slot in a type that isn't being done in the run. A quick tip: Have a read of #1010307000346878062 if you haven't already for some quick basics to get you up to speed with gameplay etc

Oh and try not to level up your pairs beyond 120-125 as you're establishing your roster, that's enough to clear content & after 120/125 it becomes quickly exhaustive on your resources when starting out

[chilly vigil]

Alrighty! Thank you again

[chilly vigil]

Also yeah definitely noticed lmao

"Randomly" my resources dried up earlier so i had to grind the iris event a bit again to replenish

[silver dirge]

Yup that sounds about right

[chilly vigil]

But really appreciate the help

Gonna try it out now

[silver dirge]

Np let us know whenever you need some pointers, there's always people around to help

[chilly vigil]

[chilly vigil]

Finished it btw!

14/18

Next run should be easy now

[silver dirge]

congrats!

[potent wadi]

When picking HP parameters, is it better to pick multiple lower ones or one big one?

[keen jasper]

Depends on how you can handle with your team

If your team is OP, then might as well put in more HP parameters

[mild hemlock]

HP parameters are multiplicative so it's better to take the bigger one than 2 smaller ones. Example for 400 points, HP+8 is 80% HP increase while HP+2+6 is 92% HP increase (1.2 x 1.6 = 1.92)

[keen silo]

is there a recommended 3kpts setting? curious how should i top up pts from 2.5k for certain stages

[old orchid]

3k is very team reliant

thats why we havent finished the recommended 3k sets yet

[keen silo]

that's fair

[old orchid]

for now you can add up more HP/strength to your existing 2.5k sets

[keen silo]

but ie electric and water i always overkill the 2.5k stage

[old orchid]

and some niche ones like sync cd reduce or support x3 dmg

[silver dirge]

Take your 2.5k CSMM params and add on some strength. You can play around with Half Ally HP At Start if your team can handle it, or stuff like Max Sync Countdown with some denials (flinch, freeze, KO, sleep)

[keen silo]

My 2.5k has full strength
I omitted ally healing ⬇️5 because i hate dealing with it and apparently i don't use barriers

I could try that and max hp ^2 for some types

[silver dirge]

Do you pick up power on hit or any offense?

[keen silo]

at least power on hit ^1

if I use weather or off type i picked up power on hit ^2

[silver dirge]

if you're pre-syncing you should pick up both Power on Hits

It takes a while for that to ramp up, and it doesn't do much for pre-sync especially if they TM often

[keen silo]

i just have like 3 default slots
on type without weather
on type with weather
off type
most of the time i pre sync middle

[keen silo]

I'll give it a go next time for electric, that should be a free 3k for me

[manic moss]

Can y'all give me some default 3000 parameters??

[toxic cobalt]

Default 12.5k parameters + 500 strength

[manic moss]

Okk thanks I'll try

[onyx ice]

Power on hit for presync is basically free points

I guess the mid can land a boosted attack once if it doesn't use TMs

[peak stirrup]

I’m using Erika TechQueen and MortMagius on my stall team.
Any upgrades there?

[toxic cobalt]

Not really, assuming BP Morty is 3/5 that's hard to beat

[peak stirrup]

He is

[latent eagle]

I’m so close to winning, if I could just survive Bruno’s sync

And ye I’m doing 3000 points

[silver dirge]

What are the params?

[silver dirge]

Pick up some of the Attack parameters, drop some strength

Or the Max HP node

You've got Flinches on skyla, surviving shouldn't be an issue

[latent eagle]

Girl doesn’t wanna flinch anything, rather confuse them

[silver dirge]

might have to reset a couple times

You're stacking strength with 6 HP, that's a bit much

Does Bruno use AoE moves? you could even pick up Strike/Tech damage x3 if not, especially if you can land a flinch or two

[toxic cobalt]

And PoH1

[manic kiln]

presync: sync with skyla twice (+zone), ethan can clear the sides

[toxic cobalt]

It's also better to take HP up 8 instead of HP up 6 and HP up 2

[manic kiln]

also ditch hp and pick atk, can also pick no stat reduc

post-sync is not easy anymore with 3k unless your team is tanky, this team has no defensive buffs so

[latent eagle]

Beat Bruno but now all that is left is lance b4 blue

[tame gust]

I think Solgaleo and Hop (PB) can do well vs Steel Weak Lance. Would have to test

[brave halo]

OK this isn't a suggestion on which is more meta or whatever, but rather which of the two karens sound more interesting to use for week 3? I'll use either as long as I use one, figured I'd get the team slots out of the way

[silver dirge]

Wdym interesting?

Whichever you want to

[tired sleet]

Houndoom is a lot better/stronger

[brave halo]

I mean when I record and all, would seeing umbreon or houndoom be more fun and interesting to see

[silver dirge]

That's completely subjective to you

[tired sleet]

Interesting is incredibly subjective; some people find more joy out of seeing weaker units, some people like seeing big numbers from strong units

[brave halo]

Thinking it through, I have not once used umbreon so kinda want to use that actually

And figured out who I want tp for us on, and sycamore is able tp ex next week so instant there but just some small help on supporters here

[mellow linden]

I don’t think you need to worry about planning this far in advance, tbh

You’ll have over a week to think on things and you may decide you’d rather run a different damage-dealer for one reason or another

[rotund lagoon]

Me who plans my teams the last minute but gets CS done in a half an hour

[versed meteor]

Wait something weird just happened, i never made changes to my pstall preset but it is showing that it was at 2850 points? How, i used the recommended 2.5k pstall

Oh wait my bad for some reason+6 strength was selected

[astral sage]

Veteran player moment

[sharp willow]

me who just decides what im using when im about to do the stage

[manic kiln]

I don't even plan just slap a premade mono team and clear, 15 mins every week only change team when I pull someone new

[tired sleet]

That sounds repetitive

[sick inlet]

Gets the job done

[manic kiln]

CS is already repetitive

[paper summit]

that's true, but doubling down on it is a bit... lame

[tired sleet]

Use Bugsy one week, Noland for another week to keep things fresh

[paper summit]

let's not go that far

[manic kiln]

well I also used those 2 in f2p comp so

[tired sleet]

Yeah, using units that strong gets boring… try Strike Pinsir instead!

[sick inlet]

Striker Scyther OP

[manic kiln]

like f2p comp is even more repetitive, there's only a handful of units you can use

[tired sleet]

Then use Burgh, Guzma, and Lusamine on the other weeks

[manic kiln]

at least 3k shake things up a bit

[sick inlet]

I mean, that's why some of us do solos or duos most of the time

To change things up

[manic kiln]

I don't use my candies so solo and duo is

[fluid vessel]

[manic kiln]

only LG try hard do solo

[tired sleet]

Seems boring to solo with the same units every week

[manic kiln]

[manic mica]

is klingklang 1/5 good for cs?

[nocturne pawn]

as a utility option yes

[manic mica]

what lucky skill should i give?

[nocturne pawn]

what are you using him for

[manic mica]

mostly for debuff, thunder wave eh

so metagross can sweep

[old orchid]

He is fine without lucky skill

Vigilance is good on him to avoid nat crits from sides

[manic mica]

interesting

[wicked pebble]

How does this look for this week?

[nocturne pawn]

its fine

though im pretty sure you could double strike with tate

[wicked pebble]

Focusing on full stat boosts for rising tide.

[old orchid]

Tate's nuke is strong regardless anyway

Not worth setting up for Rising Tide

[wicked pebble]

These are steel types.

[old orchid]

Marnie for Steel Zone

[wicked pebble]

Would gauge management br okay?

I've had problems with that on two striker teams.

[old orchid]

You can use better gauge support than Roxanne

[wicked pebble]

She's there to finish special attack and give speed.

[old orchid]

Marnie has cheap one bar move and she mostly clicks TM anyway

You can grid her gauge accel tile on grid

[mellow linden]

Rising Tide maxes out at 18 buffs and is pretty much guaranteed to get 11+ buffs on his own, so it actually doesn’t take a lot from an external Support to max Rising Tide anyways

Could easily run Skyla if you need a gauge Support and that alone would be plenty for Summer Tate in terms of a Support, he should be totally fine at +4 Sp. Atk. with Steel Zone active

[trail smelt]

Let’s see this week… don’t think I’ll be in too much trouble. Ghost maybe

[cold lake]

i hate 3k points.

[paper summit]

well, you can just ignore them, nothing says you are forced to go with max points

[cold lake]

i can't

[tired sleet]

Could check out #1097597679015567420 or #1011675077764456519 as some references, but i’m sure you have some better units

[cold lake]

I don't need it, i can clear the stages (for Kanto at least), but i hate it on paper.
There are not enough modifiers for 3k points without huge team nerf

should i consider enemy HP modifiers?

[trail smelt]

If it works it works lol

[cold lake]

weekly speedrun done

Emma once again proven to be top tier unit

[trail smelt]

Last hour get your last minute 3k run victories in

[pseudo hawk]

i mostly just run the team i want, whether it be on or off type, go to the lil recommended section before starting the match, finding the team you have or one with similar properties, and copying their preset to get the 3k that best fits

[cold lake]

3k pt

2500 update was good because they had new modifiers, the new 3000 stinks hard

[swift swan]

updated

half sync 3k is gonna be interesting

[keen jasper]

Why whenever there's a ghost-weak stage, there's almost always no perma field round parameter?

[silver dirge]

half sync 3k

[keen jasper]

There's always a ground-weak stage whenever there's half-sync round parameter

It's time

[manic mica]

Im thinking to use ghost as my status dealing more condition. I want to use Banette

[toxic cobalt]

Physical attack up fire. Guess it's physical Silver

[steel kelp]

Hilda gaming

[keen jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-leaf-peace-gif-24238450

[main crow]

@silver dirge they really setting themselves up for the EmboarSweep

[silver dirge]

Time to give Hilda the SC Steven treatment

[keen jasper]

Nah man, I want my 999,999 with SS May

[noble plaza]

Who should I save for round 4?

[manic kiln]

Rei is crack lmao, half sync but 1 bmove deleted the whole stage

[noble plaza]

No way!

[keen jasper]

I usually save ground-weak stages for half-sync because SS Gio is best ground damage dealer ever

[noble plaza]

Oh neat!

[manic kiln]

usually use your best team for half sync

[north crown]

Bea's fully buffed sync nuke with 1/5 NCHop's zone:

[noble plaza]

My ground team is usually Ingo+Cynthia+Probably Bertha

[keen jasper]

4k ground-weak is easy with him anywhere even in the likes of Hoenn and Sinnoh

[north crown]

Bertha's better being replaced by a speed buffer of some sort for Cynthia's nuke

[toxic cobalt]

Bertha with Fast Track 2?

[north crown]

r u fr rn?

[keen jasper]

You know, with the half sync parameter, you can literally use:

• Half TM
• Half HP
• -1 and -2 Sync CD
• Potentially Support Sync Takes x3 Damage

[main crow]

[silver dirge]

Hilda gaming

[noble plaza]

Touche

Should I use Giovanni or Allister for Agatha?

[steel kelp]

Shauntal

[silver dirge]

Fantina

[main crow]

Fantina is pretty good after PB

[keen jasper]

Victrier

[main crow]

Super preparation gaming

[noble plaza]

Oh I have Shauntal gridded. But I haven't really used Fantina before

[noble plaza]

I was planning on putting him on the team nonetheless

[trail smelt]

Phew another 3k down

Surprisingly the most annoying fight wasn’t ghost as I predicted

It was half sync -2 sync countdown Lorelei and her bloody Crit shield LMAO

But a single reset and a change of turn order was all I needed for my usual fighting team to beat her

I fully expect to change my dark and steel teams next week lol

Oh I gotta remember to give Steven steel gear

He’ll need all the stat boosts he can get

[keen jasper]

Now use EX role C. Leaf and Dana

[main crow]

Ok give me NC leaf first

[keen jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-24966265

[lime raven]

15k btw

[silver dirge]

Should probably post these clears in a personal thread within #1010274591601598555

[lime raven]

Righty i will get to that soon enough

[vestal echo]

Joe, what setup did you use?

I dont see a guide for 15k pts yet :x id like to try go for it, i did 12,5k few past weeks no issues.

[lime raven]

So okay

heres the thing

the parameters will be changing a lot

[old orchid]

15k is just adding few strength/hp to existing 12.5k sets

[silver dirge]

We're working on a lil guide, hopefully should be out soon. But don't expect there to be a generalised pre-set for 3K points, because it's extremely team dependent

[lime raven]

and stuff that you dont use like zones

or if your team isnt very healing reliant then theres that too

[vestal echo]

as long as i have something to stick to as a noob it helps me out tremendously

[lime raven]

you gotta be prepared sync pair wise though

[paper summit]

it's pretty much impossible to come up with a set in stone preset, so you'll have to learn to adapt

[lime raven]

Yeah

[paper summit]

hence the guide

[vestal echo]

yes

ofc

[lime raven]

what pairs do you have?

[vestal echo]

i tried the old guide and adding hp/str, but seemingly it just wiped my ass

[silver dirge]

If you're not confident with 2.5K CSMM just yet, try and learn the ins & outs of the params at a lower point total before you jump straight into 3K points

[toxic cobalt]

It's important to know how it wiped your ass

[silver dirge]

The rewards aren't gamebreaking either

[lime raven]

For example just now lorelei dodged my final blow low sweep from my mega blaziken like 7 times in a row while i was spamming it 💀

[lime raven]

Yeah i cut it close there

Oh off the bat

[vestal echo]

basicly my best ones here

[lime raven]

looking good

[toxic cobalt]

Some very solid stuff

[vestal echo]

i only tried ground one with zygarde and some random mixups with him, but i guess hes not to be used with ground type mostly

[toxic cobalt]

You can use Zygarde with ground, why not?

[lime raven]

Whos your strongest fairy attacker

[vestal echo]

since his sync is spatk it kind of mix it up

basicly none 😄 so i have to offtype fairy

[silver dirge]

You can use Zerena for ground, only 'issue' is that you would either forego the form change or have an off-type sync

[lime raven]

Oh man

[silver dirge]

Do you have a BP Voucher available? BP Valerie's great

[lime raven]

15k with offtype isnt funny 💀

[silver dirge]

Assuming you've collected the supports first

[lime raven]

Just use sycamore for that

[silver dirge]

Sycamore for what?

[vestal echo]

i just used my bp voucher yday on morty xd

[steel kelp]

Ah yes sycamore for a physical unit

Team building 100

[lime raven]

I just did that

[silver dirge]

Sycamore with a physical unit?

[lime raven]

Yeah i paired him with summer marnie