#Champion Stadium
left storm
north crown
HOLD ON WHAT THE FUCK
silver dirge
i have enough spirit and upgrade for one ex upgrade
I'd rather you not EX just for the sake of CS. SS Erika, Lyra and a physical support can clear Marshal pre-sync
north crown
I'm actually both shocked and worried at the same time
Does CHop really debuff every single stat?
That is so stupid
twilit kiln
I'd rather you not EX just for the sake of CS. SS Erika, Lyra and a physical sup...
which physical supports do u recommend for me that i have?
perferably ones that are already 120+ cuz i dont have alot of resource ;;
rotund lagoon
Good Physical supports can be: Hop, Sonia, Hilbert, BP Lt. Surge, Lodge Blue, ones like those
Basically: Atk/Crit buffers.
twilit kiln
okie ty
https://i.imgur.com/4bS4qLx.png and i just have to use off type pre sync from this screenshot right?
silver dirge
https://i.imgur.com/4bS4qLx.png and i just have to use off type pre sync from th...
Follow something like this, params at the end. Granted my Erika is EX'd, but I didn't bother aiming my flinches with Lyra right. If you deny their turns with flinch, you should be able to clear it with something like this. If you get close and they're too bulky, you can take off some of my strength and replace with Atk 5 or Atk 3
north crown
That is actually stupid. How did people bypass CHop's debuffs?
keen jasper
That is actually stupid. How did people bypass CHop's debuffs?
I just used OG Jasmine
silver dirge
Oop the params cut off at the end, lemi know if you need em
north crown
But doesn't the debuffs come on entry? I don't think you can set up her TM to block them
twilit kiln
Oop the params cut off at the end, lemi know if you need em
yea i only got until gradual healing ;;
old orchid
But doesn't the debuffs come on entry? I don't think you can set up her TM to bl...
No they dont come on entry
silver dirge
One sec
keen jasper
But doesn't the debuffs come on entry? I don't think you can set up her TM to bl...
Hop has no preemptive debuffs
zealous karma
The video clip you saw was with the 3 stat debuffs param
silver dirge
ty. do i also need grid for those characters?
Of course, grid is very important. I'll send my grids
twilit kiln
ty ty
i think i also have oshawatt too
so i will use it so i cant be too off from original
north crown
oh yeah a param like that exists now
silver dirge
Params: Phys Dmg Reduction (50), Sp Dmg Reduction (50), Atk 1, No Status, Strike x3 Damage, Strength 1, Sync Buff 5, Ally Healing Down 5, Power hit 1, Special Damage Reduction 8, Grad Healing, Strength 2, Power on Hit 2, Strength 3, Ally Guage -2, Strength 6.
Since your Erika isn't EX'd I'd recommend dropping some Strength and pickup Atk 3 / 5 instead. Hilbert has endure so hopefully not too big of a problem, might just have to reset if they attack too many times.
north crown
Hilbert should be able to live until turn 4-5
silver dirge
I haven't actually picked up Special Dmg Reduction here either, which should've been a free 100 pts nvm
silver dirge
mhm one sec
north crown
should just be all the damage multiplers
silver dirge
twilit kiln
ty so much
silver dirge
np, let me know if you have any trouble 
There might be more optimal grids out there btw, I just used what I already had 
twilit kiln
my hilbert is getting one shot
is it because its level 125?
it endures first hit and then dies on second
north crown
maybe cuz it's just an oshawott
north crown
lack of vigilance ls..? wrong params?
twilit kiln
im using the exact same param as the on in the video
silver dirge
my hilbert is getting one shot
What's he gettin one shot by? Like a close combat or?
If you go X Speed on Erika, Speed All on Hilbert, Grassy glide on Lyra, then you can flinch the mid's first move and then hope they go for a stat buff or low power move
north crown
yeah you should prioritize using grassy glide with SSLyra
you can even use a sync move just after turn 2 due to SSLyra's ability to queue a move right after flinching
TLDR because of SSLyra, you are able to use 6 moves in 1 turn
twilit kiln
i ex'd erika but my sync move also is doing only 1.3k damage but i sunny day + 2 TM with 2 crit all
;;
north crown
you must be using the wrong parameters then
silver dirge
Do you have Phys Damage Reduction on
twilit kiln
yea
silver dirge
Well, that's an 80% reduction on her damage
Wait, which one
The Physical Reduction (50 pts) or Physical Damage Reduction 8 (100 pts)
silver dirge
Get rid of the second one
twilit kiln
im at 4950
rotund lagoon
Same names but the shields does not have a number in the name.
north crown
nah. looks like they'll be set if you boost 4.3k by 80%
rotund lagoon
The ones with 8 are the biggest change.
twilit kiln
is it going from 1 to 8
silver dirge
Params: Phys Dmg Reduction (50), Sp Dmg Reduction (50), Atk 1, No Status, Strike...
Unless I'm just blind, these should add up to 2500
north crown
No; the number just indicates the reduction percentage
Arch's suggested params look good. Must be a interpretation problem/mistake on joe's side
silver dirge
It's okay we've all been there
silver dirge
Are you triple queuing?
twilit kiln
yea
silver dirge
With EX Erika you should be able to output the same sorta damage I could
twilit kiln
im only doing 4.8k with my sync
it went from 1.3 to 4.8 but its still not enough
how did u hit 16k
silver dirge
Have you dropped Physical Damage Reduction 8?
twilit kiln
yea'
silver dirge
Are you maxing out all of Erika's stats?
twilit kiln
yea
silver dirge
In my video, her Inertia isn't even maxed out yet
So there's potential for higher damage still
Send me an SS of your parameters let's troubleshoot from there
twilit kiln
silver dirge
Params look normal
north crown
Also if move order could potentially be the problem as well, so I'm just gonna quickly list the optimal order here. I'm also going to assume that Hilbert is 3/5 and has access to Critical Squad.
Turn 1:
Hilbert TM - SSErika X Spe - SSLyra Grassy Glide (Flinch mid)
Hilbert TM - SSErika Sunny Day - SSLyra Grassy Terrain
Turn 2:
Hilbert X Spe - SSErika SBlade - SSLyra GG (Flinch right)
Hilbert X Spe - SSErika SBlade - SSLyra whatever (this doesn't matter. you can also just choose not to move)
From this point on, the stage should be a cakewalk
silver dirge
Any chance you're able to record? bit tricky with the size though
north crown
They could just record the first few turns, as from what I'm hearing, their team is dying by then
silver dirge
Or, do a native recording on your device up until your sync's damage. Then, go to the recording, and pause it at the moment it shows you how much damage the sync did. That way I might be able to see what stats are and aren't maxed on SS Erika
twilit kiln
i cant record on my phone ;;
silver dirge
Sorry I know this is a little complex but I'm not sure how else to help, because ~4k damage is quite abnormal on a maxed EX Erika nuke
Ah
twilit kiln
my game just crashed ;;
it wont fix
i tried last time but it didnt work even after i deleted and reinstalled
silver dirge
What's the problem? Error on startup?
silver dirge
Oh, that's weird 
twilit kiln
im using s21 too so idk
silver dirge
yeah that's pretti wack. Um okay I guess you can describe what you do in-game and I'll see if something's wrong with that
twilit kiln
ok lemme try again the with cycle above
north crown
I'm pretty sure joe did. iirc they stated as such
silver dirge
Maybe they accidentally clicked a wrong preset or something. No Inertia & Solar flare 5 would explain a much lower damage
north crown
hold on lemme check your grid
twilit kiln
<@1022520348891164673> hold on did you grid Erika?
i just failed
silver dirge
Yeah Inertia, Solar Flare 5, Ramming Speed
silver dirge
Your sync is still doing low damage?
silver dirge
If sun is not up, that's Solar Flare 5 and Charging sun 5 gone
north crown
I'm pretty sure sun shouldn't be going away. if so, just set those up on turn 2 instead ig
silver dirge
Yeah, set em up turn 2 not turn 1
Erika's whole deal is having sun up, you should refresh it before it expires otherwise your Solar Blade becomes 2 turn
silver dirge
Okay at least we have an explanation cos I was about to 
twilit kiln
unless its because its level 125
north crown
it would be this instead:
Turn 1:
Hilbert TM - SSErika X Spe - SSLyra Grassy Glide (Flinch mid)
Hilbert TM - SSErika X Spe - SSLyra whatever (this doesn't matter. you can also just choose not to move)
Turn 2:
Hilbert X Spe - SSErika Sunny Day - SSLyra GG (Flinch right)
Hilbert X Spe - SSErika SBlade - SSLyra Grassy Terrain
twilit kiln
and doesnt have enough speed
i need to speed all with hilbert first
if i wanna queue GG before first attack
silver dirge
its impossible to queue GG before first move i think
Yeah, you can do that. Sorry I might've told you the wrong thing before
It should be X Speed on Erika, Speed All on Hilbert then Grassy Glide on Lyra
north crown
oh what? you didn't queue gg immediately?
silver dirge
You won't consume guages that way and have enough for Lyra's
twilit kiln
oh what? you didn't queue gg immediately?
ur cycle even says that GG is last ;;
silver dirge
If you go X Speed on Erika, Speed All on Hilbert, Grassy glide on Lyra, then you...
Follow this
north crown
bro read PLEASE
north crown
HOLD ON joe just mentioned something important
I get the feeling that they're only using 1 move per turn, which would be detrimental
silver dirge
No, I'm pretty sure they're triple queueing fine
twilit kiln
im triple queueing
silver dirge
It's just the sun that needs to be up for sync
twilit kiln
but only 2 moves go through before first attack
north crown
doe to their wording of, "ur cycle even says that GG is last ;;"
silver dirge
And you should be okay with the clear
north crown
maybe I should account for slow device. that makes it hard to queue after grassy glide
silver dirge
but only 2 moves go through before first attack
Try X Speed Erika, Speed All on Hilbert and Grassy Glide on Lyra. If you can't get this in fast enough, make sure the game isn't on 3x speed slow it down
north crown
ok new plan for slow/old/bad device; it would be this instead:
Turn 1:
Hilbert TM - SSErika X Spe - SSLyra Grassy Glide (Flinch mid)
Hilbert TM - SSErika X Spe
Turn 2:
Hilbert X Spe - SSErika Sunny Day - SSLyra Grassy Terrain
Turn 3:
Hilbert X Spe - SSErika SBlade - SSLyra Grassy Glide (Flinch mid)
== [SYNC] ==
silver dirge
It should be clearable now with ease since they EX'd Erika. Just have sun up for sync I did the same exact comp, no need to worry too much about rapid queueing for Lyra's flinches - although ofcourse it's a big help
north crown
with my new turn order, even a slow/bad device should be able to keep up
twilit kiln
my sync hit for 9.5k this time
but boss still had 40% health before i got wiped from sync
north crown
hold on.. you sohuld be able to sync 2 times no matter what cuz of SSLyra
twilit kiln
do i need to flinch
north crown
yes
silver dirge
Okay, you're making progress now.
north crown
well technically you don't need to, but well
silver dirge
You can learn the pattern in which your opponent'll use a move and aim for the side that's about to attack
If you flinch them, that's more room to work with and you can get sync no.2 in.
You can also quad queue. You have the same device as me so performance should be comparable, it's not too hard to qq
north crown
ok new plan for slow/old/bad device; it would be this instead:
__Turn 1:__
Hilb...
I wrote another move order suggestion for slow/bad devices and/or brain if you really need it
also don't know if Hilbert is EXed or not. If not, always sync with SSErika
silver dirge
No need to be too aggressive lol, they're doing well. They sent their roster above Hilbert isn't EX'd
north crown
ah ok. did they also state what round they are on?
silver dirge
As long as it's not round 3, we should be okay
north crown
holdup.. even if it is round 3, that shouldn't be too detrimental
especially with my new suggested move order
silver dirge
I don't think they're overly confident with continuous SS Lyra flinches just yet, so ideally it's not half-sync. @twilit kiln what round is this?
north crown
... that's round 1
silver dirge
hm?
twilit kiln
I don't think they're overly confident with continuous SS Lyra flinches just yet...
its round 2
but i just wiped 4 times in a row with boss at 15%~ hp left
silver dirge
Okay cool, round 2 should be okay
twilit kiln
im 2 moves away from my second sync hitting before theirs
north crown
hold up.. you don't even need sslyra for 100% flinch chance 
north crown
im 2 moves away from my second sync hitting before theirs
skill issue
silver dirge
im 2 moves away from my second sync hitting before theirs
Alright you just need like one move-flinch after your first sync to be able to sync before em
So, first things first, make sure you're triple queuing everything all the time, and using your sync as soon as it's available. When Erika syncs, the other two should already have moves queued up.
Then, after Erika has synced, if you have guages you can try and quadqueue a move right after, before they do. Otherwise, you should be able to get an idea of their move order. As in, the mid will hit first, and then most of the time it'll either be the right or left, so figure out which of the two, and flinch em with Lyra when they queue a move. This'll let you sync before them for 2nd sync
north crown
ah I totally forgot to mention 1 thing: you want your opponent to not use a trainer move when you use grassy glide on them. TMs are able to be used even when flinched.
joe jsut might be getting unlucky with all the tms landing on their grassy glide uses
but also Arch didn't flinch any opponent's moves, so idk
also wondering if joe is even attempting to use solar blade
silver dirge
Yeah it's doable either way but flinching a move should guarantee 2nd sync
twilit kiln
So, first things first, make sure you're triple queuing everything all the time,...
i miss one flinch cause of grass terrain move
north crown
waitaminute how does that even work?
twilit kiln
i flinched 3 times and i still couldnt get the second one off
silver dirge
Flinched actual, physical moves?
twilit kiln
yea
silver dirge
Huh that's weird. And you're definitely not on the half sync cycle round?
silver dirge
Round 3
twilit kiln
i only have one other person cleared
silver dirge
Okay
north crown
wdym @silver dirge I thought half sync is already passed
silver dirge
uhm I'm not sure what else I can do to help you, unless I can see your gameplay and pinpoint what's going wrong. I feel like there's a triple queue, mis-timed first sync or similar sort of mistake here
This is Psychic CS, Marshal
north crown
oh wait mb 
silver dirge
Yeah, Round 3 Psychic CS (is what I'm referring to)
silver dirge
Follow something like this, params at the end. Granted my Erika is EX'd, but I d...
If all else fails, maybe try follow this exactly? I got a quad queue in here, but I still had room at the end for another turn
north crown
yeah that might be it, howveer I'm sus of joe's lack of damage, cuz apparently that happened
silver dirge
Yeah unfortunately there's not much else I can do without gameplay, because I've covered everything else possible I could think of
twilit kiln
uhh
so i managed to kill the boss but i died right after
but apparently if i wanna get the second one in, i need to perfectly flinch all the time without using terrain
north crown
just flinch sides ez
twilit kiln
which reduced my damage
on both of my sync
and i couldnt kill the boss before it synced. my team except hilbert survived the damage some how
but died from aoe from one of the sides
north crown
If all else fails, maybe try follow this exactly? I got a quad queue in here, bu...
you could also just try doing Arch's strat. apparently not aiming for flinch also works
north crown
At this point I give up trying to suggest optimal move order, as apparently that doesn't work for some players for some reason
silver dirge
Lol I just know SS Erika breezes through everything so I don't really bother. Just benefit off defence crush instead
silver dirge
if i dont flinch, i cant get 2 in
No way you can record at all? This sounds like a fundamental gameplay issue and if we can sort it out here it'll probs help for the rest of the stages too
twilit kiln
No way you can record at all? This sounds like a fundamental gameplay issue and ...
yea i cant record sadly
north crown
If you want, I can dm you an webpage that apparently has a solution for your recording problem. I noticed that there's no tech help channel anymore, so RIP 💀
silver dirge
Even with a single flinch, you should be able to get sync 2 in so I have no clue what's going on
twilit kiln
oh i figured out
umm
when i queue for leafeon's sync
the other two uses their move before leafeon uses its sync
silver dirge
north crown
ah.. that would be the problem yea
twilit kiln
so two turns go by before sync cd goes down
silver dirge
Yeah that'll do it
silver dirge
It's a queue error
north crown
enjoy your free win now that you know what to do
yeah you just need to queue sync after move 9
silver dirge
And immediately queue 10 and 11 once you've clicked on sync
north crown
have the SYNC move be the first thing you queue in action order (right after opponent move)
silver dirge
That was a whole hour of troubleshooting 
lean cosmos
Is it possible to 2.5k Wikstrom without removing zone?
fluid vessel
Is it possible to 2.5k Wikstrom without removing zone?
lean cosmos
yea I totally have adaman
fluid vessel
I mean it Just shows that it is possible, Wikstrom doesn't Hit that Hard
twilit kiln
i keep dying from aoe from the sides
its so sad
ok i cleared it
i pre selected moves literally 4 moves ahead by guessing the pattern LOL
left storm
Is it possible to 2.5k Wikstrom without removing zone?
Easily
Zone runs out pretty quickly
If you stagger him
rotund lagoon
Pardon me for coming in, but @twilit kiln did anyone ask you to record your gameplay?
rotund lagoon
Is it on high quality mode?
twilit kiln
i tried it with low quality when i was trying to fix it last time
rotund lagoon
RIP on that
twilit kiln
i practically tried everything when i tried to fix it last time
i even moved all my data and info to cloud, wipe my phone and then reinstall
still no work
idk why
rotund lagoon
I’m sorry about that. Oh and btw for third round, use the team you are most confident in using to clear quickly, because it’s tough on teams that cannot clear stages fast.
If you have not planned your Flint, Kahili and Hop teams, do that now.
twilit kiln
i def wanna use my nc red on hop
rotund lagoon
Off typing? Was Mewtwo already used?
rotund lagoon
So your Mewtwo is not EX, correct?
twilit kiln
yea its not ex
rotund lagoon
So basically, you need a Sp Atk/Crit buffer. If you cannot do Crit buffs from a Support, Sp Atk is fine and have Gio use TM twice. After that, you spam Psychic
twilit kiln
So this was the team that I was trying rn
I used post sync on type
Params
And this is for flint
For some reason' my suicune gets two shotted even tho I queue sp Def up first
why does it auto correct suicune to that word
wth
i think im going to go for 10k instead of 12.5k next time cuz this is so hard xP
rotund lagoon
So here’s my suggestion
Use Sycamore instead, since you have to sync fast. You will get maximum buffs after he syncs.
Both Elio and SS Kris can leave the team for Sycamore.
twilit kiln
sycamore instead of suicune right?
oh
who else should i put in for elio
i feel like my sycamore will die cuz it cant heal from horn leech tho
rotund lagoon
Have you tried him? Horn Leech does heal.
twilit kiln
i have reduced physical tho
and reduced alied healing
i have both reduced physicals and reduced alied healing
and i think my mewtwo might get one shotted from sync even with post sync params
but i can try with mewtwo and sycamore
maybe i can add eevee for healing or something just in case
or maybe i add SC shauna
for burn proof + crit
rotund lagoon
i have reduced physical tho
Oh you were talking about that, my bad
A healer for third slot would be just fine.
rotund lagoon
If your video won’t send, you can try uploading to YouTube or Streamable.
twilit kiln
The first time my xerneas gets one shot
Second time my mewtwo gets one shot
This is round 3 btw ;;
I only have flint and Kahlil left and Kahlil starts spam sync boosted brave bird so I didn't wanna do her
rotund lagoon
First video looks like bad RNG. Second one, you are queuing way more moves after your sync is ready.
twilit kiln
Yea but I think even then
I can't clear anyways
Cuz my spdef is maxed after first sync right?
I think I used like 3 moves worth of turn
rotund lagoon
Yeah but you aren’t fully triple queuing either. I cannot say you are unable to clear if you are not queuing properly.
rotund lagoon
Also turn your game speed down
You are going way too fast.
You cannot queue properly from that either. Start at 1 speed until you are able to queue properly, then stick to 2. I hate using 3, personally.
north crown
I think you need a max boosted gio nuke.. unless he isn't EXed, by which point I'd suggest having a stupidly specially tanky team
also spatk debuffs are good for Flint, as he has a damage multiplier for them
no ex... sadge
perhaps using ncblue here might not be a bad idea
NCBlue, Giovanni, Bianca..? Could work with the help of Psychic Terrain + Support EX boosted Psychic, and NCBlue buffs powering Stored Power.
twilit kiln
i already used nc blue
north crown
what was your first team?
please tell me it's not a team comp that's stupidly overpowered 
rotund lagoon
You should plan your teams all at once anyway. Starting with this one.
twilit kiln
it was nc blue mew and dawn
north crown
ey at elast you used something like mew with NCBlue
but you kinda screwed yourself cuz NCBlue is one of the best supports in the game
twilit kiln
maybe i just get rid of klefi and add haze instead
so i just haze their spdef and spatk
north crown
Could probably do Fire offtype cuz u got NCLeaf
rotund lagoon
Plan your Kahili and Hop teams before doing anything else, too.
twilit kiln
im thinking for hop i just use nc red with ss blue and sabrina
rotund lagoon
Why Sabrina?
north crown
I was about to mention that you could have also made a rain offtype team, tho idk how good that'll work considering that your only "good" water DPS is Cyrus
twilit kiln
and just raise defence with x defence + reflect and clear with nc red
reflect stacks with defence doesnt it?
and sixth sense also gives heal if needed
rotund lagoon
Bruh NC Red will clear that stage so quick, save Sabrina for someone else.
north crown
100% freeze chance carries hard
twilit kiln
so for hop i just use ss blue nc red and eevee
north crown
basically yeah. you probably don't even need ssblue
just throw in whatever good filler u would have left
e.g: lucian for spdef debuffs
ok so champ hop is sorted out
we jsut have two teams left to build
north crown
oh my god we got field effect parameter on round 4, so that'd be perfect for a rain team
it's just round 3 that's gonna be a big headache
north crown
Joe's Roster
twilit kiln
and something else
rotund lagoon
Why not Mewtwo for Round 3?
twilit kiln
im using mewtwo for round 3
but it just dies so quick
it gets one shotted every attemp i do
from sync
north crown
Wonder if 2/5 Lucian nuke would be good here
twilit kiln
whos lucian
north crown
Sabrina, Lucian, Bianca..? Bianca tank?
cinder summitBOT
Ticket Scout (Sinnoh)
twilit kiln
oh right
north crown
just thinking of a way to one shot mid with first sync
twilit kiln
whats the point of using girafarig here
north crown
maybe NCLeaf EX would do better than non EX giovanni
twilit kiln
wait is lucian the nuker?
leaf cant one shot tho
and leaf's ex is special but her move is attk
so i have to choose one stat to work on since round 3 only gets certain amount of moves
rotund lagoon
wait is lucian the nuker?
He does nuke.
twilit kiln
but doesnt mewtwo nuke harder?
north crown
maybe SSBlue, NCLeaf, SSDiantha could work? plethora of debuffs for NCLeaf's nuke, + SSBlue denying quadqueue won't matter cuz you're aiming to oneshot mid
twilit kiln
since its 5/5 and has higher base spatk
twilit kiln
i was gonna use nc leaf for round 4
so do i just use cyrus and suicune rain team for round 4?
north crown
then rain team for round 3? I doubt that would work since you got no one that can offtype presync
yeah. SSKris can provide both MGA and rain with Rain Dance, which is pretty goated for perm field param
north crown
idk. either lucian or another special water dps pair. perhaps siebold could work due to his rain multiplers..?
I honestly really don't know
ACTUALLY regarding the NCLeaf team: SCShauna, NCLeaf, SSDiantha would work relatively well due to all 3 being able to debuff. Even with only 3 turns, mid would be drenched in debuffs.
What E4 are left?
twilit kiln
klint and kahili
cinder summitBOT
Siebold (Holiday 2019) & Octillery
north crown
Looks like Kahili doesn't buff herself at all besides TMs, so you could take a shot at her with the NCLeaf debuff team
for NCLeaf's move order: TM, leer, B Move
and have SCShauna live until turn 3. That's it.
I'm praying that NCLeaf will be able to presync
twilit kiln
i would have to use nc leaf for round 3 no matter what happens so i have to finish kahili at round 3
nc leaf can
im not sure if it will be with all the debuffs tho
i would have to count the debuffs
north crown
I tested it, and she was a bit off from oneshotting mid from my experience. Hopefully with.a debuff team, NCLeaf's full nuke grid will be able to.
you're essentially praying for SCShauna's debuffs to not overlap the others, and for mirror shot debuff to proc
north crown
NCLeaf's? RIP
twilit kiln
yea
i was so busy investing in supports
i forgot that nc leaf's grid was only 1/3 done
thanks tho
i try after reset
north crown
Before you go, lemme give you some sggestions for a 3rd on your rain team.
Lucian: Goated nuke if you max it out, which you should since SSKris gives full offensive buffs, allowing Lucian to spam growl. Also boosts Cyrus' DPS.
- Lucian is able to debuffs both Attack and SP Def., as well as giving teamwide speed buffs. Very solid pair.
**Siebold: **Here purely for theme skill and rain multipliers. Nothing else.
Wallace: Oh yeah he exists. Another water nuker, tho idk how good he is. Almost never used him. He's decent if you want a 5 star water nuker.
**Any Sleep Unit: **You get the gist.
Zinnia: Can be good with good support, which is why she is here. I just don't know if weather boosted DM is as good as other options here. If she isn't gridded, don't even try it.
SSEthan: Here purely for Jhoto MF synergy.
**Giovanni: **If you really want to try adding ontype damage.
Ghetsis: Helps with offensive debuffs and nuke. Not much else to add really.
Try the options that you got grid with already. If not, we can talk about what kind of strat you want to use.
Also FYI: Do NOT use Cyrus' Sync, as you want him to dish out boosted Hydro Pumps every single turn he can.
valid ivy
wait cyrus hydro pump is stronger than sync?
north crown
ofc, especially if rain boosted
valid ivy
didnt know that
north crown
CS11 + Ramming Speed + Rain + Special Move UP
valid ivy
if i use him w ss kris whos gonna sync
north crown
SSkris first if EXed, then your third
north crown
you can use this team to offtype almost any stage
north crown
If you can afford to double support EX sure. You can also add in a Sp Def. (above e.g. being Lucian), or another DPS unit with Water/Rain/Weather based multiplers
If you got another goated water DPS/nuke pair, by all means go for it
staple examples are May and Archie. Should be self explanatory
If you got both Hoenn water DPS pairs, SSKris, Archie, May can offtype anything
valid ivy
dont have archie sadly
north crown
May should work well enough
north crown
offtype presync in pins
valid ivy
alr
north crown
or ontype if you're doing that
north crown
max boosted hydro pump, a 150 BASE POWER MOVE
north crown
muddy water, a base 116 move as well, which is respectable
valid ivy
one based around ncmarnie, one around ncred, one around ssdiantha, one around ss lyra, and now thi
s
north crown
- May's nuke is outstanding even without full acc debuffs
valid ivy
+ May's nuke is outstanding even without full acc debuffs
i dont have her exed
should i do it?
north crown
as I said, you could probably find a substitute, and it'd work just as well if you realyl put the effort into it
I've tried May, Archie, CSerena, and even May with a Mudkip in that third slot
north crown
yeah. before she was uber, but now that powercreep has risen, she isn't really all that strong compared to the best
not saying she's bad tho
valid ivy
yea ik
north crown
by NO MEANS is she bad at all
undone ether
ohai luclon
working on your champion stadium?
or are you still stuck with AnniyMay/SSBrendan? o-o
silent quail
north crown
one based around ncmarnie, one around ncred, one around ssdiantha, one around ss...
I think they're gonna try using all 5 offtype teams, mentioned above
noble plaza
Anyone I can ontype? I beat Flint with NC Red and Irida
All my psychic pairs for simplicity
undone ether
so for Flint, you actually need a really good tank (Mostly SP.DEF, but can do DEF Up) and has Anti burning
Hostile Environment + Piercing Gaze is painful.
mellow linden
Giovanni and Bianca are each their own on-type clears with the right teams, and I personally ran Lucian + Oak + NC Blue (though any Sp. Atk. + crit Support would likely work so long as both buffs are teamwide) as one on-type team
undone ether
and he has a lot of Fire moves.
mellow linden
so for Flint, you actually need a really good tank (Mostly SP.DEF, but can do DE...
They beat Flint already
undone ether
oh wokay
noble plaza
undone ether
For uh whatwashernameagain
noble plaza
Kahili?
undone ether
Kahili yeah
Lucian's good for her
problem is she clean states a lot
so be careful
mellow linden
Kahili was where I ran Oak + Lucian, yeah
noble plaza
Clean slate wipes stat changes?
mellow linden
Don’t need to worry about Clean Slate unless she Syncs
mellow linden
Can be easily prevented by Lucian existing, basically
noble plaza
mellow linden
Kahili is an easy pre-Sync with Lucian
rotund lagoon
Lucian’s nuke goes 
undone ether
Bruno and Marshal are easy enough
north crown
@noble plaza What round u on?
north crown
r1 team and opponent?
mellow linden
Like I said, while I used NC Blue as the Support, any teamwide Sp. Atk. + crit buffer should work with Oak + Lucian against Kahili
undone ether
R1 Opponent was Flint
rotund lagoon
Anyone I can ontype? I beat Flint with NC Red and Irida
My guy, it’s right here
north crown
Perhaps NCBlue, Giovanni, Lucian would be great for fighting NCHop
waitaminute nvm no psy terr... eh whatever
noble plaza
Yeah I feel like NC Blue would be better suited for Hop
undone ether
is that NC Blue 3/5?
mellow linden
I don’t think it matters a ton
undone ether
(for impervious)
rotund lagoon
Why not separate Lucian and Gio?
north crown
Sabrina, Bianca, and uhhhhhhhh
mellow linden
Worst case scenario can run double Support + Giovanni and have a Skyla gridded for Unbending as the tank
north crown
Why not separate Lucian and Gio?
max boosted gio nuke + type skill synergy
rotund lagoon
Dude.
rotund lagoon
If you can, it’s better to split them. I spotted 4 options from their roster.
mellow linden
I think Giovanni can probably manage things alright himself, tbh
undone ether
Lucian would want another team
north crown
Also I'm surprised Nyla hasn't gotten Caitlin at all
mellow linden
RNG is RNG
north crown
perhaps get another spdef debuffer?
rotund lagoon
She’s like any other 5 star. You’d be surprised.
noble plaza
Also I'm surprised Nyla hasn't gotten Caitlin at all
RNGesus hates me
north crown
they specifically asked me for a good ontype option for the champion
so I answered with the best they got atm
noble plaza
Well I meant ontype in general
rotund lagoon
Can we stop and step back for just a second?
noble plaza
I'm fine with off typing if that's the best option
rotund lagoon
Nyla, you certainly have options for other Psychic teams. You were fine off typing that one.
I spotted Gio, Lucian, Bianca and Lodge N.
mellow linden
Yeah, can off-type the Hop fight and on-type the other 3 Elite 4 if you want
rotund lagoon
I spotted Gio, Lucian, Bianca and Lodge N.
All for their own teams
north crown
I wonder what offtype options Nyla has
mellow linden
I will briefly say again, you can slap Oak on a team with Lucian
Can work out fine
noble plaza
.
rotund lagoon
Oak for DPS and Lucian for nuke, which is a great team.
noble plaza
I never thought about lucian as a nuker actually
mellow linden
.
If you’re gonna on-type Hop then probably Giovanni or Bianca as the damage-dealer for that fight, yeah
If you’re off-typing then anything goes
rotund lagoon
Adaman and SS Erika, both a good combo for off typing btw
north crown
SSBlue, Cyrus/SSLysandre, May? I'm unfamiliar with SSLysandre's potential
rotund lagoon
I definitely think we should work on the on-type teams first.
noble plaza
Ss Lysandre is pretty good
north crown
oh yeha sserika exist
rotund lagoon
I definitely think we should work on the on-type teams first.
After that, you can plan your off type ones.
undone ether
God i hate bug weak e4 members....
north crown
3/5 SCEmmet and 1/5 SCIngo...
undone ether
I can just off-type Siebold but ehhhh
nocturne geyser
Any of the pasio cs to avoid for a specific round?
north crown
Just save your best teams for round 3 and champion
rotund lagoon
Be very careful who you do for R3. Make sure it’s a team that can clear quickly.
nocturne geyser
Okay thank you
undone ether
I think i'll just off-type if my spreadsheet team doesnt do it
I'll just do NC Red + Irida OR NC Blue + Ash 😐
north crown
I've been using Aaron/EBugsy/Hilbert, Guzma/Bugsy, Lusamine for forever. I think it's fine for this.
undone ether
i managed to max out Burgh so
north crown
unless they have wise entry, in which case 1/5 Alder + 3/5 AnniN duo core is a given
north crown
HJasmine + SSMorty if u have those two
undone ether
i'm just contemplating on who to put in my VS Malva (Water) though
north crown
God i hate bug weak e4 members....
u already got an OP duo
north crown
bro your teams are stacked what the hell
north crown
whyyyyy 
you can easily do pre
proud axle
Last time we had someone with that problem, they had Atk&SpAtk +5 on. ...I do presyncs and I don't use that one. Maybe you had the same issue?
undone ether
possibly .-.;
north crown
... don't you want your team to one shot mid??
manic kiln
presync most of the time don't 1 shot your tank unless there's something wrong with parameters or team comp
post sync is fine but some of your clears took way too long
mellow linden
Can actually confirm that I pre-Sync with post-Sync parameters frequently
No Pikachus required
undone ether
Presync also is painful if your enemy goes "Oh hey, Earthquake - Bulldoze - Rock Slide" in that order.
😭
mellow linden
Well that’s gonna be a reset almost regardless if it’s right at the start
undone ether
i have less resets with post sync since, i did my homework kukuku...
manic kiln
for that bug team above noland bugsy and aaron is a fun budget team, and they can presync too 
undone ether
but 1 battle can lasts up to 5 to 9minutes .-.
north crown
If you practice presync enough, it takes less time in the long run
undone ether
okay that should do it.
I'm just waiting for SS Serena EX Role drop.
mellow linden
You have Lucas, you definitely don’t need EX Role on SS Serena
Also SS Brendan is kinda wasted on that team
undone ether
would ss brendan want to be on another team though? o-o
manic kiln
that team even at 1/5 can presync, they're that powerful
can use a more defensive support if you want
mellow linden
Terrify is meaningless when running special damage-dealers and that’s not Wise Entry x2, so it’s also meaningless since you’ll blast her too fast for Smart Cookie to do much
undone ether
it'll depend on the Round Conditions i guess
mellow linden
Is there a specific reason you’re running SC Jasmine when you have NC Blue on the team?
For Burgh, I mean
north crown
yea spdef drops from scjasmine are huge for burgh
mellow linden
Could run SS Brendan + a Sun setter, maybe? Might depend on SS Brendan’s Move Level
undone ether
5/5
mellow linden
Oh, a 5/5 SS Brendan can definitely be run + a Sun setter as Burgh teammates
undone ether
(I'm basically waiting for his 5/5 Grid at this point .-.)
a sun setter huh
Hmmmm
north crown
blaine lmao
mellow linden
Can just slap Marley in SS Brendan’s place on the dragon team
And yeah, Blaine is an easy choice
mellow linden
NC Blue is arguably more wasted on SS Serena’s team than SS Brendan is, but alright
north crown
hey at least they can dish out TW turn 2 
mellow linden
Fair enough
If you’re dead-set on running NC Blue as a Support I guess you at least get that benefit
mellow linden
Not that it’ll matter much, but yeah, one more piece of overkill won’t hurt anyone except Drasna
meager agate
i’m not gonna lie to you
i FORGOT to put my sync nuke grid on Lucian for the Hop fight
so he had NO sync damage multipliers
50k damage
fuckin love to see it
paper summit
except he does, Lucian has 2 at base
meager agate
okay no gridded ones
paper summit
otherwise his sync would be whatever
meager agate
but still 50k damage on that alone
paper summit
his grid only has a 20% multiplier, the big thing is the +25BP tiles
meager agate
He had to self buff too tho so I didn’t get them to -6, they were at -3 by the time it happened
paper summit
guy is cracked tbh, it's funny
meager agate
thinking back on it probably would’ve been beneficial to drag along SS Brendan but I needed the spot for a physical tank.. might do a rerun
Honestly the only reason I was able to get -3 was because SC Shauna got lucky and rolled the right stat reductions
zealous karma
prolly not siebold cause he has def debuffs4
valid ivy
does drasna or wikstrom have wise entry
zealous karma
not that i recall
valid ivy
could cmarnie do offtype presync
silver dirge
could cmarnie do offtype presync
What move level and do you have NC Calem or SS Cyrus?
valid ivy
yea she can shes crazy
valid ivy
What move level and do you have NC Calem or SS Cyrus?
nope and nope and 2/5
i did wik
standard offtype presync
zealous karma
nice
valid ivy
i didnt win yet but the only reason i lots is bc i didn spam b wrath enough
silver dirge
nice, sounds about right nc marnie is pretty cracked
valid ivy
i honestly like cmarnie more than red, at least rn
silver dirge
I enjoy C marnie over red too
valid ivy
does slowing down the game help w quadquene
zealous karma
If you haven’t used lucian yet you can use him as a good secondary
valid ivy
bru i missed quadquene 3 times in a row and lost
valid ivy
If you haven’t used lucian yet you can use him as a good secondary
already use him w marnie
ok finally
does siebold or drasna have higher sp atk
old orchid
use pomatools to find out
valid ivy
also for siebold should i use offtype sskris/cyrus/may or ontype sskris/hau/celesa
old orchid
you have strong ontype options, no reason not to do ontype
silver dirge
Are you dealing with HP Advantage 4?
valid ivy
hau 140 others 150
valid ivy
Are you dealing with HP Advantage 4?
im doing the siebold one
silver dirge
Yeah, he has HP Advantage 4. Are you paralysing him asap?
valid ivy
i use tm first turn w elesa and nuzzle second turn
silver dirge
If they're paralyzed and you've got terrain Hau shouldn't have a problem clearing it
old orchid
you might want to replace SS Kris with another support. Her rain dance also boosts opponent's dmg
valid ivy
i terrain immediately?
old orchid
and Siebold uses mostly physical atk
valid ivy
like who
silver dirge
Any special/crit support
valid ivy
i need someone to help w my setup
old orchid
save Elesa's TM and terrain after first sync
valid ivy
bc hau takes 10 years to setup
silver dirge
hau's got speed covered
valid ivy
i could use sabrina but shes squishy and slow setup
old orchid
do you have SS Elesa
valid ivy
other thanthat no available pairs
yea but shes even more squishy
wont she just get one shot
old orchid
she makes the battle quicker to clear
valid ivy
also i wont have support ex
silver dirge
That's often the case with pre-sync anyway, if they use a high BP move just reset
silver dirge
Probably not SS Elesa then, you'd need post-sync MPR on her to max Hau's Crit. No point syncing with Hau sync 1 if you've got no crit
Sabrina isn't the best tank but might hold up a hit or two under Reflect and some RNG
valid ivy
so i reflect first turn?
that means ill need a total of 5 sabrina turns for full setup
1 reflect 2 dire hit 2 heal move
silver dirge
Is Sabrina EX'd?
valid ivy
yea
old orchid
dont use Reflect first turn, it will expire right before the first sync and ruin quad queue
use Dire Hit first
valid ivy
same aomunt of setup turns tho
silver dirge
Seems like your best option to go for a quad queue, and EX support boosted 2nd sync with Hau
that'll clear it
valid ivy
hau and not elesa?
valid ivy
i mean celesa sync
old orchid
Elesa's max move -> Hau's sync
silver dirge
What move level is Celesa?
valid ivy
1
silver dirge
Then what Gakon said
valid ivy
alr
silver dirge
Remember to get your paralysis and terrain set up before Hau's sync. Max Speed, Max Sp Atk and Max Crit
old orchid
you should use Nuzzle in the first turn. Basically Elesa's first action
valid ivy
so nuzzle then spam thundershock til sync then tm then max then hau sync?
hau isnt ex btw
old orchid
you can also save Elesa's TM after first sync, in case quad queue fails
well that doesnt matter much
sides should die to 2 Discharge
silver dirge
Discharge should be fine after 3 sync buffs
noble plaza
Should I r3 Bruno or Marshal?
old orchid
you can try first
old orchid
Should I r3 Bruno or Marshal?
what teams are you gonna use against them?
noble plaza
Not 100% sure yet 😅
valid ivy
ok i was really close but sabrina died too eafly also quadquene was messed up
old orchid
then just reset until Siebold spams less dangerous moves
silver dirge
And don't mess up quad queue
valid ivy
no i couldnt do it bc of the reflect
old orchid
Elesa's TM has sync cd reduction btw
noble plaza
Maybe a team with Bianca, albeit she isn't gridded
silver dirge
Shouldn't be using reflect turn 1 anyways
valid ivy
oh wait it wasnt that
silver dirge
i used elesas tm after sync
Then you don't need quad queue
valid ivy
the third stage gives sp dmg reduction to both sides
silver dirge
Ah it's round 3
valid ivy
so it ran out right before my sync
old orchid
save Elesa's TM for after first sync
silver dirge
Yeah that'll mess quad queue. But if you save Elesa's TM like Gakon said before you'll be fine
old orchid
Maybe a team with Bianca, albeit she isn't gridded
plan a team on each them first
old orchid
try again, or switch to pre sync more hp
valid ivy
i was one turn off bc sabrina died :/
valid ivy
try again, or switch to pre sync more hp
ima just keep trying
ok wait ill do that on round 4
for a ss lyra 2.5k mm team what presets wont affect the fight that much
bc i plan to have a very long fight
silver dirge
Not quite sure what you mean?
noble plaza
Who should I pair with bianca
silver dirge
Are you just aiming for flinches with Lyra?
noble plaza
Oh she needs a crit buffer right?
valid ivy
ss lyra has her permafinch thing but it doesnt do much damage so i want to be able to do 2.5k without affecting the long fight that much
noble plaza
Oh Bianca won't be dps?
old orchid
ss lyra has her permafinch thing but it doesnt do much damage so i want to be ab...
you might do sth wrong then
you might choose standard dmg reduction when she is offtype
thats why
valid ivy
i didnt
silver dirge
ss lyra has her permafinch thing but it doesnt do much damage so i want to be ab...
Do note this is Kalos CS so the more post sync params you pick up, the bulkier they become really quickly
valid ivy
i know the basics of parameters and which to chane and keep
old orchid
or physical atk reduction?
silver dirge
valid ivy
i also didnt choose no stat reduction
old orchid
maybe you didnt have answers to stages' gimmick
valid ivy
idk maybe
old orchid
if SS Lyra's job is just flinch you dont need her damage
valid ivy
shes my damage dealer and flinch spammer
i user her w sycamore and hop for survivability
valid ivy
wait what why doesnt grass terrain cancel dragon terrain
silver dirge
I think what they're trying to say is they're going for a flinch-focused run with SS Lyra mainly. And they want parameters that will optimise? this as much as possible
valid ivy
yea that
silver dirge
Because dragon isn't terrain, it's zone
valid ivy
bru
noble plaza
Zones and terrains are different things
silver dirge
Zone, Terrain and Weather are all separate
noble plaza
Is it worth investing in bianca or should I just off type with Adaman?
silver dirge
Bianca is great
noble plaza
Yeah she seems pretty good
old orchid
you can use her without grid, but investing on her is not a waste
silver dirge
I think what they're trying to say is they're going for a flinch-focused run wit...
Um to answer this btw, pretty much everything apart from like special damage reduction will make them bulkier/stronger 
They will eventually make their way to sync and if you don't have enough damage you'll be eventually wiped out
valid ivy
so is it necessary to have some damage dealer
silver dirge
Well she's not a support
old orchid
you shouldnt care about that if you use SS Lyra
valid ivy
the thing is she takes too long to set up and when u do set her up the sun is finished and you have to replace it and then you can finally start dealing damage
but also by then ur dead
or at least f9or me
silver dirge
Why not just bring a support to help her set up?
old orchid
that means you are bad with their turn order
and dont use Sunny Day until she starts attacking
valid ivy
Why not just bring a support to help her set up?
like who
i can think of hop but not anyone else
silver dirge
Quite literally any physical support
valid ivy
and dont use Sunny Day until she starts attacking
oh
silver dirge
She can buff her speed on her own, but at 2/5 you don't have Ramming Speed or Inertia (I think) so that's not really a problem either
valid ivy
different question how do i deal with drasnas dragon wish
do i have to bring a unit just for it
silver dirge
With another zone unit. If you presync then you can take mid out before they set up Dragon Wish
old orchid
or use Defog
valid ivy
my only other decent zone unit is ss diantha and already used her for rock stage
silver dirge
ah yep that too
silver dirge
Like I said, not if you presync
old orchid
another benefit is that you get free 150 pts with crit shield param
with Lyra who can flinch lock all opponents you shouldnt care about who tanking
silver dirge
how will i fit lyra and ss erika in then
If you're committing to the post-sync on drasna, then you don't have to go for SS Erika/Lyra, can go for a different comp that can fit in a defog unit. Then you get that ^ benefit too
valid ivy
oh i didnt know defog removes those effects too
old orchid
if you know their turn order
valid ivy
with Lyra who can flinch lock all opponents you shouldnt care about who tanking
sometimes i try to predict the next unit and then they just use a tm
and afte r that i have no idea what the new turn orde ris
old orchid
you have to remember what items they have and used
old orchid
it does
if they already used item moves, they wont use them again when they are flinched
valid ivy
oh
old orchid
then another enemy with take action, you need to flinch them before they have a chance to queue moves
silver dirge
Also if you play the stage a couple times, the turn order becomes pretty obvious. If you just flinched an item move on a side, then the next move is going to be the mid most of the time
old orchid
that depends on the turn order and move pool of each stage, i can record a gameplay with SS Lyra for you
valid ivy
so do i just wait for them to move?
old orchid
but im not free rn so i can do it later if you want
valid ivy
but if so i cant quene before they do if they happent o use an attack
valid ivy
that depends on the turn order and move pool of each stage, i can record a gamep...
lol thanks but i think ill figure it out
old orchid
its a bit complicated to explain so watching gameplay is easier to understand
valid ivy
alr
pseudo drum
Dude 2.5k with Cynthia is just too ez
fluid vessel
I mean 2.5k as a whole isn't that Hard, specially ontype
pseudo drum
True
fluid vessel
Unless you use like, OG Valerie
pseudo drum
And with Cynthia it is overkill
pseudo drum
Unless you use like, OG Valerie
I used BP Valerie to kill Drasna
fluid vessel
BP Valerie kinda redeeming Valerie, at least she is decent enough for a F2P Striker
pseudo drum
Im sure she didn't like the concept of her dragons being beaten up by some pixies
keen jasper
Is BP Valerie a stonger steel DPS than Solgaleo?
pseudo drum
Not sure
I use her for fairy coverage
old orchid
Solgaleo is stronger
keen jasper
Even without power ups?
old orchid
yes
pseudo drum
Overkill
keen jasper
Hmmmm, I can understand that
keen jasper
I use Rose for Steel type 2.5k
Even against Glacia?
pseudo drum
I don't quite remember, but I always go with him along with colress (-6def)
I use colress to - 6def the whole opponent side then rose's tm followed with MaxMove
keen jasper
Because Glacia is the only steel-weak stage with Sentry Entry x2
pseudo drum
Colress
keen jasper
Tho it can still be brute-forced with physical damage dealers anyways
keen jasper
Yeah, well Glacia's base HP is low so yeah, might as well just use physical DPS
left storm
Unless you use like, OG Valerie
Nah ontype 2.5k with Valerie is free
fluid vessel
I guess you could go a full defensive run because she is a vampire unit after all
left storm
I guess you could go a full defensive run because she is a vampire unit after al...
Nah absolutely not
You just need SC jasmine and SS wally
fluid vessel
I mean... At that point SSWally is Just doing his stuff
pseudo drum
They are limited😑
left storm
I mean... At that point SSWally is Just doing his stuff
Not really
I didn't sync with him
I just did zone + supp ex
pseudo drum
I used Palmer to weaken the sides and GoodGameIdiot to def-6 the centre then synced with valerie(seun)
Not just that, I also got Brawn Sync 3 and Double Down 5 to add to the spectacle
left storm
28k on mid, not bad
pseudo drum
You got a good support
I got Sycamore
He couldn't survive a single dragon rush
I really have to thank my luck for giving me Palmer, one of the sole factors of my sweep
His GoodGameIdiot is really insane
Plus his normal zone helped me deal with that dragon zone
wet gate
who should i offtype with adaman and ss acerola
old orchid
on which CS? why not trying to do offtype by yourself first?
wet gate
the normal one
old orchid
there is no hurt trying out
wet gate
which one is weak against physical
wet gate
ok
left storm
You got a good support
Lemme try that actually
pseudo drum
Ok
left storm
Missed sylveon sync crit, still won
pseudo drum
K
Realised it later
😅
Anyways
Good job
👍🏻
I was thinking abt using this team in the upcoming week's CS against Siebold.
2.5k seem doable??
Burgh's grid 👆🏻
pseudo drum
Grid tree?
old orchid
https://ng-pomatools.web.app/champion-stadium
Like this
calm marsh
Or like this is ok too if you don’t want to do in web
old orchid
thank you for the screenshot im too lazy to take one
pseudo drum
Ok
I see
Thanks
pseudo drum
Are Lucas, Cyrus and Sabrina(alakazam) good for 2.5k on Drasna next week?
old orchid
they should work well
pseudo drum
Thnx
left storm
Sabrina is very frail but Lucas + any decent dragon is free
old orchid
any healer works there because Cyrus demands little support
twilit kiln
if i wanna use rain team for round 4 klint, should i off type pre sync param?
or post sync param?
my current team is ss kris, cyrus, sycamore
twilit kiln
what do u recommend?
old orchid
do you have May?
twilit kiln
regular may?
old orchid
yes
twilit kiln
is she 5 star?
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May & Wailmer
Sygna Suit May & Blaziken
May (Anniversary 2022) & Latias
twilit kiln
i dont have her sadly
old orchid
can you show your Water types?
