Champion Stadium

[mellow linden]

Huh, I guess try off-type pre-Sync then

[twilit kiln]

do u think mewtwo and gionvanni is a good dps for kahili

[grand trout]

Wait what's r2 again

Half sync?

[silver dirge]

i did it, mega kick missed

[nocturne pawn]

yeah it should be fine

[teal pawn]

Any recommendation against chop? The one with gloria is my main options for dps and the rest other pics are supports

[twilit kiln]

status

[left storm]

Kekw

The advantages of early sync

[grand trout]

Try marshal

[silver dirge]

truly

[left storm]

No acc increases

= can cheese

[silver dirge]

also downside up is 👌

[nocturne pawn]

tate dies of cringe

[twilit kiln]

do u thnk i can off type it with my 140 ex moltres leaf

[grand trout]

Um idk, I don't know leaf's kit

[left storm]

Hey he did 17k on mid and 4-5k zen headbutts without even using SDE5

[grand trout]

Sorry

Probably?

Marshal is not that hard

[nocturne pawn]

his nuke is insanely cringe tho

isnt it like interference sync and cakewalk

[left storm]

Nah

[silver dirge]

yeah

[left storm]

I just used interf 5

No need for kekwalk

[twilit kiln]

Glory basically maxes out attack and flame is a single damage

[left storm]

17k on mid on -3 def

Second sync

[lean cosmos]

Just 1 shot rose. Guess off type pre sync isn’t the play

[teal pawn]

Too bad my bianca was used earlier with caitlyn that's exactly why I wanted to save for hop

[mellow linden]

Is this your 1st time doing Master Mode, btw?

[left storm]

These clears were all easy aside Tate because I'm super unlucky with flinch RNG

[twilit kiln]

damn im doing no damage to him

[lean cosmos]

Nope, just first time doing the type specific CS’s

[silver dirge]

[sick inlet]

Bruh this discord is messing up lol

[silver dirge]

All good

[left storm]

Type specific CS is 4 recycled stages+ 1 new one

[mellow linden]

Might wanna do some more Poison stalls if your Psychic roster isn’t super built then

[left storm]

And psychic is very accessible

If you have orbs

[lean cosmos]

Who’s a good staller here then? I’ve already used oleana

[sick inlet]

This is bruno, I can do Marshal, but my ass forgot to leave. Before the battle ended

@silver dirge

[twilit kiln]

should i not be using physical attack for marshall?

[left storm]

What's your psychic roster like?

And 6* supports too

[grand trout]

Yes he buffs his defense

[silver dirge]

I really should've followed your params LOL, I forgot you'd shown me earlier. I was running hyper offensive so an earthquake or close combat would just ☠️ take me out. But hey, after reset number 82 or something their Mega Kick missed and I managed to get my sync in

[lean cosmos]

[left storm]

1/5 Lucian is definitely a free chop

[noble plaza]

Do you have ideas for which ones I should drop?

Hilbert isn't the bulkiest. I already likely have to reset if i get a flare blitz thrown at me

[left storm]

I asked psychic

Btw

Not 5* psychic

[silver dirge]

I shall have a look once I'm done with this psychic CS

[noble plaza]

Sure

[left storm]

Many 3-4* can clear with adequate supporting

[lean cosmos]

Ah my bad lemme get them rq

[sick inlet]

Lmao 😂

[left storm]

Will can definitely give you a win

Do you have cookies for crit strike 2? Or are you low

[nocturne pawn]

if you have a crit buffing support he doesnt need cs2

he did 4k stored power without cs2

just go hyper offense

[sick inlet]

I will let you know, before they revamped the parameters, I used to do -3 Max CD Sync because they wouldn't stack on half-sync, meaning I got free points in but they literally sync in 1 or 2 moves lol.

[lean cosmos]

Would this work?

[nocturne pawn]

oh he’s 2/5

[silver dirge]

ahh that makes sense, I tried this too today for some reason I thought it would reduce my CD too so I picked up all of the max cd things

[sick inlet]

Does Aaron have Staggering at 2/5¿

[silver dirge]

y'all how much of a burn chance does flint have cos wtf

[sick inlet]

HE4

Enjoy burning every turn

😂

10% from whatever move he's using + 50% from HE4

[silver dirge]

ah that checks out I guess

[sick inlet]

I think fireblast has higher than 10%

But yeah

[silver dirge]

Also is his sync physical or special

I've literally paused the game so I can set either reflect or light screen

[sick inlet]

I think Special

Flint and Golf girl special

[silver dirge]

okok thank u

[sick inlet]

Bruno and Marshall Physical

[silver dirge]

You really came in clutch for me here cos this is the run I won my 2v3 against flint

may you be blessed

[sick inlet]

[silver dirge]

just hop left

and i've saved Lussamine and Bianca for this

[sick inlet]

Wellll

You might suffer if you don't have something to negate all the debuffing theh have

[silver dirge]

Lussamine by beloved has obliterated the stage as usual

[proud axle]

Impervious or Haste+Unbending on the tank will block most (though not all) of the debuff nonsense. Neo Blue can grid for Impervious at 3/5, I think

[silver dirge]

with Liza as my tank

[proud axle]

Or you can do that. Master Pairs are stronk

LuSSamine's stats are on the low side for a Master Striker, IIRC, but she is still stronk 💪

[silver dirge]

shout out to tate in my run tho, dude packs a punch

[keen jasper]

Well, she has massive offensive stats so that should make up

[cinder summit]

Sygna Suit Lusamine & Necrozma (Ultra Necrozma)

‎ Type: ‎　‎　Weak:

Level 140 Stats:

HP: 742
ATK: 333 | DEF: 156
SPA: 374 | SPD: 156
SPE: 400

Acquisition:

Master Fair

Alternates:

Lusamine & Pheromosa

Sync Grid Recommendations:

Psychic Terrain Boost (2/5)
Sync Nuke Minimal (3/5)
‎　+ Weird Vibes
‎　+ Double Down
‎　+ Precognition

Lucky Skill: Critical Strike 2

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[proud axle]

SpA barely above 300. That's not massive.

[silver dirge]

That's not ultra

[proud axle]

Oh, Ultra does change that

[silver dirge]

EX'd Ultra has 422 that's pretti good

[keen jasper]

Well, that's not including her EX stats too

[silver dirge]

considering 192 BP

• master passive

[proud axle]

I'd call EX'd 422 pretty good but maybe a bit short of "massive"

And yeah, the master skill does a lot of work

[nocturne pawn]

its aoe prismatic laser

[teal pawn]

I said screw it and went with poison stall. The end

[silver dirge]

she also has Superduper Effective 2 as passive

[proud axle]

Yeah, it's not actually her stats that make her amazing. It's everything else she has.

High BP, self-sufficiency, group-targeting without the dispersion penalty, and even a multiplier

[keen jasper]

Holy fuck, Hop hurts

[proud axle]

Like... Archie's SpAtk is a meme but he works well because his everything else makes up for it

It's that but less extreme

[sick inlet]

@silver dirge this was also my first try. You can say I got lucky Hariyama didn't attack but I believe i would have survived if it was anything other than Mega kick

[lean cosmos]

I need help kahili is kicking my ass and I don’t know what to do

[silver dirge]

SSteven really just is that guy

[sick inlet]

What are these parameters?

[keen jasper]

DPS SS Brendan FTW

[silver dirge]

Why do you have so much defence 😭

[sick inlet]

Because you have Defenses and attacks and now I am confused

[silver dirge]

Hyper offensive poison stall

[sick inlet]

I am genuinely asking, did you copy that from the pins?

[lean cosmos]

Yea

[silver dirge]

Really? which one

[lean cosmos]

I’m p sure I did

[keen jasper]

Goddamn, Jasmine just straight up takes 1k damage from the 1st Mega Kick 0 defense buffs

[lean cosmos]

Actually I tried both off type post and pre sync and they didn’t work, then I thought I would try my own

[silver dirge]

You sure you didn't mix up 2 of em or something? I see HP, Defence and Attack

[lean cosmos]

Didn’t work either

[proud axle]

Poison stall that involves screaming profanities and slurs and hatecrime threats the whole way through

[sick inlet]

Well you cannot mix both attack and defense parameters because then they kill you quicker and you can't touch them

What you want to try is to see what your units can do. If it's unit that can Nuke really quickly, you go Pre-sync. Which is hyper offense parameters, all attacks no HP no Defeneses.

[lean cosmos]

Alright, IG I’ll try to toxic stall

[sick inlet]

Toxic stall = all defenses all HP and lots of patience

[proud axle]

Mm, can Crobat Janine get 100% toxic rate?

I forget if she has HE1

[sick inlet]

It should still work

[proud axle]

Yeah, I just kinda hate counting on the coinflip

Unless it's SSLeaf since the coinflip is teanwide

[sick inlet]

The whole game is coin flip

[proud axle]

Either you win or you lose

[devout sluice]

I tried to toxic stall her but every sync she tries to raise her stats and remove poison, so I did a painful off-type.

[proud axle]

Kahili has sync cure?

[sick inlet]

Oh yeah she does

[devout sluice]

Clear or clean slate or whatever it’s called

[proud axle]

Oh shit, she has Clean Slate

[sick inlet]

Yes

[proud axle]

That's even worse

[sick inlet]

Come back Whom

[devout sluice]

And, she makes her stats normal also

[sick inlet]

This won't work

[proud axle]

Okay, this suddenly became... probably more difficult than actually fighting it properly

[sick inlet]

🥲🥲🥲

[proud axle]

[lean cosmos]

Worst part is each time she syncs she wipes all debuffs/ Statis conditions

[sick inlet]

Yeah

So uhm

[devout sluice]

Ya, so I couldn’t toxic stall. I didn’t want to use my main team I prepared for round 5

[proud axle]

Gonna have to fight Kahili properly

[sick inlet]

It won't work because the poison resets everytime

[proud axle]

As does all the Venom Drench

[sick inlet]

@lean cosmos show me all your psychic types and all your supports

[lean cosmos]

So on the bright side it works for Bruno but I need to give hop crit immunity cookie

@sick inlet

[sick inlet]

I am here just looking at your roster

[silver dirge]

Lucy, Janine, Swimisty?

that comp there is missing out on trap damage

[proud axle]

Eh, you're probably gonna want most or all of your tanks to have the critproof trait anyway, so that's fine

[sick inlet]

We don't want stall

[silver dirge]

Oh

[sick inlet]

Because She gets clean slate

After sync

[silver dirge]

ohh so just build a new team altogether

makes sense

[sick inlet]

That's not for bruno tho

They're doing bruno in the picture above

So whatever you said applies

[silver dirge]

[sick inlet]

I just didn't look at what they're currently doing xD

[silver dirge]

vs Kahili now?

[lean cosmos]

Yea kahili is a pain

[sick inlet]

Did you already use mewtwo?

[silver dirge]

I did Sabrina, Will and Lucian

It was a breeze

But Sabrina gotta be EX

[sick inlet]

They probably will need Lucian for hop

As they have very limited psychic roster

[silver dirge]

mm true, but he's only there for spdef debuffs. So he can be subbed for anyone else really

[sick inlet]

Yeah for hop he debuffs atk too which is big

[silver dirge]

hmm true true

[sick inlet]

Did you already use Mewtwo, Whom?

[lean cosmos]

No

These are the only ones I’ve used

[silver dirge]

btw for future reference, it's probably best you don't run the Anni trio on the same team. They provide more benefit outside of being run together

[lean cosmos]

Wait I meant this

[sick inlet]

You can do Mewtwo, Sycamore and maybe misty for extra heals

[silver dirge]

Of course this is only in a CS situation where your roster is restricted

[zealous karma]

Do you have strike damage x3 rose should not be dying that easily especially with Kahilis nerfed offenses

[sick inlet]

Oh already did sycamore

[lean cosmos]

I’m P sure I was following pre sync pins

[zealous karma]

Idk what those are

[lean cosmos]

Wait that’s post sync

[zealous karma]

That has strike damage x3 I just checked

[sick inlet]

Oh wait you did 2 stages, so now you're on round 3?

Half syncs?

[lean cosmos]

Yea

I think I can do Bruno with half syncs

[steady valley]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009554906568462476/1150861133692018829/image.png any teams i can build to beat malva and diantha? ive beaten the other 3 elite 4 members, and notable units ive used up alr are NC leaf, shauna, sycamore, NC blue

[lean cosmos]

Now that I got crit immune on hop

[sick inlet]

You can but I wish you still had sycamore 🥲

[lean cosmos]

No other way I was gonna toxic stall flint

[sick inlet]

Well Lillie, Mewtwo, Misty for heals
We can review the parameters with you

Misty for heals and Sp.def

As Kahili is sp.atk

[zealous karma]

Toxic stalling flint is bold

[sick inlet]

Very

[lean cosmos]

I mean it worked in the end

[zealous karma]

Wow

[lean cosmos]

I wasn’t gonna beat him 2.5k points any other way

[steady valley]

only hard mode btw

[sick inlet]

Weather control Malva, and use your best vs her, Diantha is easy to handle with ontype, if no ontype just use your best off type

[zealous karma]

Is it possible for you to grid Roark?

[sick inlet]

Oh just hardmode? You don't need medals?

[steady valley]

i havent beat hard mode as of yet, trying to complete as many medals as i can though, ill finish it off next week

i have 9 medals in progress alr from this run

[sick inlet]

Try for as much as you can, so next week is easier

Lets see, have you used water?

[steady valley]

ive used normal, fire, water, electric, grass, fighting, bug, dragon, and fairy

[steady valley]

i could yeah

only 3 stars tho, do i need to upgrade him for 4/5 stars?

[zealous karma]

Preferably 4 star but it might be fine without(?)

[sick inlet]

Might be better off using Olivia or Galar rock gym leader

So he wouldn't need to invest

[keen jasper]

Gordie

[sick inlet]

Yes that guy

[silver dirge]

tate appreciation post

[left storm]

Nice pixels

[steady valley]

i was thinking of using those two for malva, then trying to go for NC red + dana + smth else for diantha cuz NC red is def my strongest offtype

[silver dirge]

😔 thank u

[mellow linden]

Is this Hard Mode or Master Mode?

[silver dirge]

Dana won't be able to provide SEUN here btw, unless you're just going for Ice Teamwork buff?

[sick inlet]

Hard

[left storm]

Dana is a free offtank carry if you're using even a 3/5 3/4*

[mellow linden]

Naomi works fine then, unless you really need Ice for type medal

[sick inlet]

I would only use one of the two

[steady valley]

which two are you referring to?

the rock or ice duo?

[mellow linden]

Oh, it’s Hard Mode 1st week. Then unless you’ve already done Ground this week just use Naomi against Diantha

[steady valley]

🫡

[sick inlet]

Rock, You don't want to use too many of the same type (none of the same type at all if possible)

[zealous karma]

Wth gaming but why is it so off centered

[steady valley]

i mean idt i have many other options to beat malva if i’m using NC red on diantha

i was planning on knocking off two types for malva, and two for diantha, which would only leave me with 5 more types to finish off for next week which is def possible

[mellow linden]

Naomi team on Diantha, NC Red + filler Rock + tank against Malva. Should work great

[sick inlet]

All you need to do is control the weather though

[steady valley]

who else would i run w naomi?

[mellow linden]

Also, 9-12 types is fine for your 1st week doing Hard Mode

[mellow linden]

A Sp. Atk. + crit Support and a Sandstorm setter, ideally

But if need be you can run just a crit buffer + a Sandstorm setter and Naomi can buff her own Sp. Atk.

[steady valley]

oh@ok then, thanks!

[sick inlet]

Just realized Gordie sets sun not sandstorm

[steady valley]

could use bertha

[lean cosmos]

Can I get some help building parameters for this?

[sick inlet]

If you're using red for malva, keep bertha for naomi

[mellow linden]

Doesn’t have to be Sand if you’re off-typing with NC Red

[sick inlet]

Yeah, you hitting for 2.5k?

[lean cosmos]

Preferably yea

[steady valley]

yeah NC red made quick work of malva

now only diantha to go

[mellow linden]

So in this case you can use the on-type parameters in the pins as a base and adjust them based on your team’s needs. Fortunately the on-type ones are much less strict than the off-type ones and also don’t contain any surprises like Max HP ^ 8

[lean cosmos]

Ight

Hopefully hop dosent give me alot of difficulty Cus I don’t know if ima be able to 2.5k him

[sick inlet]

Just keep Lucian in your pocket till then

[steady valley]

i assume i should use weathered warrior if im using naomi w bertha for diantha right?

[sick inlet]

Well, if you're asking about a lucky skill, I would say save it for a stronger unit

If it's in her grid

Heck yeah

If you already rolled it

Keep it

Forever 👀

[grizzled ridge]

Lucky skills are very hard to get

[steady valley]

nvm i don’t have the cookie for it 😂

[mellow linden]

CS2 is fine and Hard Mode doesn’t need Lucky Skills, so you should be fine

[lean cosmos]

I might need to do some more planning

[sick inlet]

Show me the parameters if you don't mind

[mellow linden]

Giovanni’s crit isn’t maxed and you haven’t given him Sp. Atk. buffs

[silver dirge]

Is this the half sync cycle round?

[mellow linden]

This is primarily a gameplay issue

[sick inlet]

That too

[lean cosmos]

I mean even if it was max crit, he still gonna die to sync

So it wouldn’t matter

[sick inlet]

I believe so

[mellow linden]

But you can probably KO before they Sync if he has proper offensive buffs

[steady valley]

what’s the best parameter to add w diantha?

[silver dirge]

you need to max his crit and sp atk and then sync. if you triple queue properly you should still be able to sync before them

[sick inlet]

What parameters? You're doing hardmode

[mellow linden]

Not properly buffing your damage-dealer because “they die to Sync anyways” is, being brutally honest, a stupid mentality to have

[mellow linden]

I think they mean the round effect

[sick inlet]

Oh my bad

[mellow linden]

In which case higher chance of secondary effects or status/interference amp is probably the way to go

[lean cosmos]

Ok after tweaking the parameters and properly buffing geo, I still can’t do enough

[sick inlet]

You didn't give him full crit still

But regardless

We can move forward

[silver dirge]

btw, you are familiar with team building, right?

[lean cosmos]

Kinda

[mellow linden]

Not maxed crit and you aren’t triple queueing

[silver dirge]

And yeah ^ triple queuing, offensive stats etc

[lean cosmos]

I am t-queueing, I’ll give it one more shot, brb

[mellow linden]

Is this half-Sync round?

[silver dirge]

I think so yeah

[mellow linden]

Ah, my bad then if it is

[sick inlet]

I believe so

[steel kelp]

Gio is a glass cannon

If anything breathes on him he dies

[mellow linden]

Tbh I wouldn’t recommend Giovanni for half-Sync rounds, you might wanna go with something else for that

[sick inlet]

I want to see Misty grid because it might be ungrided therefor 0 heals

[mellow linden]

Apologies for not catching that it was a half-Sync round

[silver dirge]

that's true, but with offensive params that's not a lot of damage on the opp. field. So it might still be a gameplay problem, if they were close to KO but died to sync then we could move on from there

[lean cosmos]

I may have forgot to grid misty

[sick inlet]

[keen jasper]

And she's 1/5 unless that's been mentioned before

[sick inlet]

If you got 0 resources on her she's particularly useless

I might have not seen her move level

That's on me

[mellow linden]

Do you have Dana, perchance?

[sick inlet]

Their supports

[lean cosmos]

Yes

[mellow linden]

Dana can use her Trainer Move on Giovanni to give him Damage Guard

Might let him survive Sync

She also can give Giovanni Supereffective Up

More damage

[steady valley]

did it! had to resort to serena cuz hypnosis rlly helped but i got 12/18 types which isn’t bad!

[mellow linden]

Congrats!

[steady valley]

thx for the help guys!

[sick inlet]

Just 6 to go, just don't forget them!

[silver dirge]

woo only 6 to go

[sick inlet]

Next week that is

[steady valley]

🫡

[lean cosmos]

So close yet so far

[silver dirge]

missed the queue at the start there

[mellow linden]

You’re not fully buffing Giovanni’s crit

[silver dirge]

slow it down maybe so you can triple queue easier

[lean cosmos]

Fair, I’ll go at it again rn

[silver dirge]

all 3 of your team should have something queued before they do

[proud axle]

That went really smooth, all things considered. The funniest part was enemy Hop dealing the knockout to Blue's Blastoise with Thunderous Kick... and thereby not being able to propagate the Def Down because the Blastoise was no longer standing to be Def Down'd

[lean cosmos]

Most I can get, even with max buff and 2 sync moves

[keen jasper]

You're using Lillie's TM on Giovanni right?

[lean cosmos]

Yes

[placid ravine]

The struggles of not having many psychic types

[left storm]

Are you saving SEUP for sync?

[lean cosmos]

Yes

[left storm]

Just use will, caitlin and Tate

[placid ravine]

Caitlin’s already been used

[left storm]

How the fuck are sides not dead to 2 seup syncs

[placid ravine]

And I don’t have the resources to build other character

[silver dirge]

non powerboosted, non EX

[left storm]

Not even ex, I see

[lean cosmos]

I haven’t had the event yet

Only event pairs I have are silver and hop

[left storm]

Still weird tho

Kahili hps are low AF

5 psychic+ 2 syncs should destroy at least mid

I guess Lillie is 1/5 since I don't see unfortuitous drops

[onyx ice]

Giovanni's sync isn't that great if you can't debuff spdef expecially if not mega and ex

[lean cosmos]

Lillies 2/5

Got very close but the endure always screws me over

[zealous karma]

I would not take no stat debuffs with Gio

[lean cosmos]

Ight. Time to rethink

I hate how the side mons take 3 psychics to die

[onyx ice]

Giovanni ex obliterates them, but regular isn't the bestest

[proud axle]

How much damage can Gio's sync do here? If it can take Kahili out by itself, he can chip away at the sides before sniping the boss

[zealous karma]

Did you make adjustments to your parameters to add the param that allows debuffs because as gigafreak said if you’re able to save like SEUN + have debuffs it’ll allow you to chip sides and then kill her with nuke

[lean cosmos]

Yea I just swapped it out for power on hit 1

Killed crowbat but I can’t deal with the side mons

[twilit kiln]

what do i need against marshall if i wanna use post sync on type but my dealer keeps getting one shot from sync move

i just tried with 2 pokemons with defence up all

and the dealer

but it just got one shot anyways

[noble plaza]

Do you have any ideas?
Maybe I should just post sync?

[silver dirge]

send or link me to your roster, let's see what we can work with

[noble plaza]

it's so frustrating because I can see it working! It's literally a stone edge from going down!

i even managed to live the sync a few times and beat the mid but I couldn't beat the sides in time

[silver dirge]

Is your Olivia EX'd?

[noble plaza]

No

And i have like 14 power up syncs and i still need to do the high scote

[silver dirge]

Built you an off-type team from your roster instead

and yes I know it's bad don't come for me and my 2 pixels

[noble plaza]

Crunchy

Thank you though I'll try this out

[silver dirge]

no prob, I have a habit of running strength over offense so if you swapped some of that around it might be a quicker clear

[noble plaza]

I just use the sheet presets usually

Is this presync or postsync

[silver dirge]

there's params at the end but pre-sync

[left storm]

Early 2021 here we come

[silver dirge]

I know right

Nostalgic

[noble plaza]

[left storm]

Good ol' "triple" striker

[noble plaza]

Oh god

People used to run 3 strikers?!

[silver dirge]

He's referring to that team specifically

Blue can act as pseudo striker

Half decent too

[noble plaza]

Really?

[left storm]

Yep

Used him for water HS too

[silver dirge]

yeah

[left storm]

To milk my 92k Marlon clear with 1/5 cserena

[silver dirge]

I'm waiting for water CS so I can run SS Blue and SS Kris

[noble plaza]

I mean I used him as a support

[left storm]

He's a support

[silver dirge]

well ofc he is a support but you can build around dps for fun

[noble plaza]

Well yeah I know

[left storm]

Just, with correct grid, he can push out good damage

[silver dirge]

Jasmine, Dawn, NC Blue all have damage multipliers too

[noble plaza]

That's really neat

[left storm]

Raging rain on a 4 gauge water move = automatically not shit

[silver dirge]

Time to build DPS SS Brendan actually

[silver dirge]

Plus, unlike other megas, you have the built in support EX buff too

[left storm]

I ran him rainless and he was still doing 3k per cannon

[zealous karma]

Oh so your game just displays like that I see

[left storm]

On 720 STR Marlon

[silver dirge]

No no it's the recording 😭 idk why it does that

[zealous karma]

That’s odd

[silver dirge]

I think it's a chromebook issue, even though I'm using the native recorder

It stores it as webm format and it comes out like that

[noble plaza]

.webm

[plush tangle]

To anyone having SS Steven, you might be interested in saving him for Hop -> #916852044692856834 message

[twilit kiln]

Who do I use for Marshall?

[fiery canopy]

new special stadium weeee

lets see here

confusion + flinching for kahili makes me wanna bring morty...

is there a recommended order?

my best psychic unit is ss lana so ill save her for hop...

[twilit kiln]

cant u just off type it

[versed meteor]

Cbede takes more damage from mega kick than from hyper beam, NOTED

[twilit kiln]

with NC Red

[nocturne pawn]

i was saving him for that anyway but that makes it even funnier

[left storm]

Holy shit lol

That's hilarious

[fiery canopy]

i can but ill probably just use nc red on one of the others
or idk
would it be a better idea to use him instead of lana ???

[twilit kiln]

idk im new

but nc red seems op and can clear anything apparently

im prob going to save mine for hop

cause thats what i did last time before i reset

but it was also with like 250 on params

or 750 rather

but yea

[proud axle]

Neo Red has 100% freeze chance on his Ice Beam. Nobody else in the entire game has that much. You can probably get 2500pts (the maximum) with him and two cheerleaders

[twilit kiln]

@proud axle What do you think about what I should train or use for Marshall? #1009554906568462476 message

[proud axle]

It's hard to give specific recommendations for Marshal when he has no specific gimmicks to counter

Bruno and Marshal are the easiest ones for this challenge

I guess that makes them candidates for offtyping

[fiery canopy]

it would seem i am still horrendous at teambuilding
hmmmmmmmm

[twilit kiln]

the problem i faced was that my dealer keeps dying from sync

i tried with two pokes with defence all

it still got one shot

i tried with a different dealer with more defence, it survived damage but it wasnt doing enough damage at all

[proud axle]

Open linked post
First face I see is Cyrus

Well, why not. Cyrus, a rain source, and a support.

Grid him right and his Hydro Pump is the stuff of miracles.

Evil miracles, but miracles nonetheless

[twilit kiln]

so maybe cyrus skyla and suicune?

[proud axle]

That sounds pretty great, yeah

[twilit kiln]

ok i have to wait until reset or two

to farm soul points for grid

for cyrus

;;

[proud axle]

...Sync Orbs, you mean?

[twilit kiln]

yea

sync orbs

[proud axle]

With Kris present, you might be able to get away with "just" buying the Hydro Pump +Acc nodes

I think there are two of them among the +Power nodes in the upper left

He becomes more self-sufficient with a more complete build, but Kris handles the buffs alright

[twilit kiln]

i think then i just need one reset

i have like no sync points xP

[proud axle]

That's earlygame life for ya

You might need to see which characters can work well with partial or even empty grids, to make the most of your limited orb supply

[onyx ice]

I just gave pinpoint entry LS to Cyrus

[twilit kiln]

^this exactly but so complicated for me to understand

[onyx ice]

The accuracy nodes aren't enough to make hydro pump perfectly accurate

[proud axle]

They aren't, no. They help a lot but they reach 95% IIRC

Still, you definitely don't wanna deal with the base acc

And I don't know how many lucky scrolls/cookies a 5day-old player has

[onyx ice]

But he already has cs9 and ramming speed on grid, I guess perfect accuracy is better than pumping 120% buff to 140%

[proud axle]

... Wasn't Pinpoint Entry a Deluxe cookie thing? They probably have zero

[twilit kiln]

i actually finished villa with only taking extra items(cookies) from the selection every 5 round

[onyx ice]

Yes is a deluxe but silver one

[twilit kiln]

but i only have like 20 of each kind in gold

40,30 for bronze na dsilver

[onyx ice]

Gold I think can't give pinpoint

[proud axle]

Yeeeahhh then this person cannot have any since I think Gauntlet was more than 5 days ago

[twilit kiln]

for scrolls i have around 100

[proud axle]

It's not a bad idea, but it's not available to this person at this time.

[onyx ice]

Pinpoint is more a qol thing, 95% should be enough

[proud axle]

Hell, I might try it sometime... but for now, just look at the cost of beelining for those two Hydro Pump nodes and nothing else, to save orbs

[onyx ice]

Free legendaries are pretty solid units, I think the weakest one is probably gethsis

[noble plaza]

It worked first try! Thanks a million!

I wish I decided to offtype sooner lmao

[nocturne pawn]

silver non pb is pretty bad

[noble plaza]

Oof I'm using Ex Lillie to support BP Valerie (Sycamore isn't EX'd) and now I'm trying to use Lisia over Darach because I couldn't quadqueue with Lillie and she has Flinch+Defog

But now I'm remembering that Mawile is slow as fuck

...Wait I'm not on R1. I don't have to worry as much about Dragon Wish if I presync.

Oh but then again the sides might be a pain... hmmm.

What should I do?

[left storm]

I should've recorded my Tate and Will solo DPS 2v3 clears but I was too busy this morning

[proud axle]

Ghetsis is amazing. I might pick Zinnia instead.

[nocturne pawn]

oh yeah its definitely zinnia

needs too much work to really function especially when we have cyrus

[proud axle]

Eh, I once tried Silver+Lodge Calem+Roxanne, all gridless, and managed 2.0k

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1012298913279127582/1138175425261097010/Screenshot_20230807-142101.png

[nocturne pawn]

and her flying dps is completely outclassed by blue

[proud axle]

Lodge Calem is surprisingly solid with zero grid investment. After getting Blue's Exeggutor, Calem's Fennekin might not be a bad second pick

[zealous karma]

calem mentioned!

[proud axle]

That's Richu for ya

Non-powerboosted Solgaleo has issues unless you're abusing Sunsteel's "bypass enemy Bullshit" trait

Though it still is one of annoyingly few accessible Steel options

[nocturne pawn]

i never liked using him

[proud axle]

TM freebie and Critical Eye make Solga's setup painless; Furious Brain and Haymaker give some sorely-needed multipliers

Powerboost did a lot for making Solga usable

[zealous karma]

I love post PB solgaleo the glow up was insane

[proud axle]

It's also nigh-immune to enemy Acc/Eva bullshit. Impervious blocks Acc Down and two TMs leave its Acc locked at +6

Fighting-weak CSMM fights have multiple cases of Acc/Eva bullshit, so that's pretty damn useful here

[noble plaza]

Should I use Brawn Sync + Furious Brawn BP Valerie or Double Down?

For Drasna

[nocturne pawn]

you can get all 3

[wide adder]

Yeah I use solgaleo regularly due to that glowup being so good. It’s part of why I don’t bother with the reduced special/phys damage modifiers much anymore cause I like the option of using mixed teams in cases like this

[proud axle]

Eh... I would just leave the Phys reduction on and pair it with Wally for double Focus Blast shenanigans. Wally has +Acc too. I like using double-attacker teams.

[valid ivy]

im back here from earlier, i was the person planning for the drasna stage

my team ideas were bp val/darach/aaron (not r1 presync), cmarnie/lucian/skyla, cred/ssbrendan/leaf, celesa/hau/sskris, and sslyra/sserika/sonia

can someonehelp me fill in the gaps

[grand trout]

Lisia?

For drasna?

You mean ny ?

[valid ivy]

for everything

[valid ivy]

?

no normal lisia

[nocturne pawn]

normal lisia is not a good fairy damage dealer

[wide adder]

i usually pair with personally with a phys support. strike nuke go brrr.

prob would be better with wally but, its not like i have a second fighting type fav to pair solgaleo with. holding out for my sandwich boi koraidon.

[valid ivy]

Yea but someone told me to use

^

[proud axle]

She has Moonblast and she can Defog the Dragon Zone

Add someone to give crit to both her and Sycamore, and I think you should be able to withstand Drasna's sync easily

Lisia blows away the zone, both she and Sycamore Moonblast Drasna's SpAtk to nothing, and Sycamore gives the team +6 SpDef when he syncs

You can also "tankswap" with the Lisia/Sycamore combo

Sycamore uses his TM to give the team regen
Sycamore takes a few hits
Lisia uses her TM to make the enemy aim at her for a few turns
Sycamore regens while Lisia takes hits
When the retargeting effect expires, Lisia can regen while Sycamore tanks the next few hits

[mellow linden]

Is this Hard Mode or Master Mode?

[proud axle]

I've used that combo for Master Mode 2.5k before (but for this week I just threw Anniversary Lillie at it)

[mellow linden]

Still, might be better to look at other options if this is a 1st time 2.5k

Drasna does not mess around

If it’s Hard Mode or 850 points it’ll be fine though

[proud axle]

I mean, the previous plan involved having Darach defog

[mellow linden]

Well is this Hard Mode or some point value on Master Mode?

I still have not been given enough information to be able to properly assist

Ok, thank goodness for Discord search function. @valid ivy is this your 1st time doing Master Mode or have you gotten a few runs under your belt already?

[valid ivy]

Not my first time

Ive done 10k before

Last week

[nocturne pawn]

i would honestly just say get bp valerie

and 3/5 her with candy

[proud axle]

They've done it before but the question about 5 offtypes for Kalos league kinda implies inexperience

[valid ivy]

Did that

[nocturne pawn]

and that didnt work?

[mellow linden]

Alright

[proud axle]

Oh, I thought they said BP Valerie failed?

[valid ivy]

No they said to use lisia instead

[nocturne pawn]

idk

….why

[silver dirge]

Can't go wrong with the OG offtype team

[nocturne pawn]

bp valerie is the best fairy damage you’re getting unless you roll limited

[mellow linden]

BP Valerie is a more player-friendly option than Lisia, tbh

[proud axle]

I thought Valerie had already failed?

[noble plaza]

I'm actually struggling using 3/5 BP Valerie on Drasna myself haha

[proud axle]

They were saying something about Darach somehow being bad for her

[nocturne pawn]

…what

[valid ivy]

I meant bad for the stage

[nocturne pawn]

darach buffs speed how is that bad for her

[valid ivy]

Since he debuffs attac

But drasna is special

[noble plaza]

Drasna uses physical attacks too

[mellow linden]

Darach isn’t bad for the stage, Drasna is mixed

[noble plaza]

like Dragon Rush

[nocturne pawn]

this is druddigon right

[valid ivy]

Oh

Wait so if i do use valerie

[mellow linden]

Maybe not the most ideal option since ideally you’d wanna avoid having to rely on Defog, but if your roster is kinda slim he works fine

[nocturne pawn]

wait no druddigon is ice

[valid ivy]

Who aee mt supports

[nocturne pawn]

someone who can buff attack and crit

speed is provided by darach

[mellow linden]

Ideally an Attack and/or crit buffer, yeah

[nocturne pawn]

if you’re having trouble killing before sync id use aaron

[valid ivy]

I cant think of any of my free pairs that di that besides persian

[nocturne pawn]

cuz he has atk + crit and defend order for defense buffs

[valid ivy]

Ohhh i forgot ab aaeon

But hes 1/5 so he doesnt have mpr

[noble plaza]

I tried using Darach, Valerie, and Hop or Lillie but she can't seem to finish it off

[nocturne pawn]

he doesnt need it

valerie can buff herself

[nocturne pawn]

did you grid for her nuke and furious brawn

[noble plaza]

Swords Dance gives you Super Effective Next so that's good anyway

[noble plaza]

yeah

that's the weird part

Idk if it's the lack of CS2?

[nocturne pawn]

try side denials then

[nocturne pawn]

it shouldnt be that much of a difference

[valid ivy]

Ahat ab crit

[silver dirge]

EX Sync with Hop first, and have SEUN up for Marnie second sync. Should clear it with the right params, no? Quadqueue shouldn't be a problem since Hop has access to adr 1

[noble plaza]

Aaron buffs crit

[valid ivy]

But inly +2

[noble plaza]

and she can also buff crit with her TM

[valid ivy]

Without mpr

Oh

[silver dirge]

BP Val can fully buff herself

[noble plaza]

the weird thing is that was exactly what i was doing

[nocturne pawn]

yeah but really fucking slow

[silver dirge]

Ofc

[valid ivy]

Ph

[noble plaza]

so some help from Aaron is necessary

[valid ivy]

How would i not die like immediately

[nocturne pawn]

defend order

[noble plaza]

wdym?

[nocturne pawn]

darach also drops attack

[silver dirge]

What happens? Mid still alive or?

[mellow linden]

Aaron has reasonable bulk, so hope Drasna doesn’t spam her strongest moves and you should be fine

[valid ivy]

Does valerie reallt do that much damage?

[noble plaza]

yeah! I get a good chunk done but I still struggle

[valid ivy]

Enoygh for 2.5k or should i remove a few modifiers and just go for 2k?

[mellow linden]

Can try 2.5k and adjust if needed

[noble plaza]

am I supposed to use Swords Dance more?

[silver dirge]

Hmm, weird

[nocturne pawn]

if you want the extra 50% boost thats fine

[noble plaza]

for SEU?

[nocturne pawn]

it can also be used for acceleration since the failed move can let you queue an extra move i think

[noble plaza]

really?

[silver dirge]

I would max her out and then just play rough all the way till right before 2nd sync so I can get SEUN sync

[valid ivy]

What round do i play this team

[noble plaza]

yeah that's what I've been doing, that's the weird part

Maybe it's my params

[silver dirge]

I'd record a run for you but I'm at work for the next couple hours it sounds most likely a param issue

[noble plaza]

i understand, dw

[mellow linden]

Could try Round 3 for the Special Damage Reduction at the start, though you’d be unable to quadqueue

But really any round except 1 will probably be fine

I wouldn’t wish half-Sync Fairy weak Drasna on my worst enemy

[valid ivy]

Also any ideas to fill in the rest of the blanks?

[noble plaza]

wait that applies even if you're doing physical attacks?

[valid ivy]

K ty

[nocturne pawn]

eh shes ok if you got my team

[valid ivy]

I assume presync set for bp val right

[nocturne pawn]

its a light screen effect for both sides

[mellow linden]

It’ll let you take less damage from Drasna’s attacks

[noble plaza]

sorry i meant preventing quadqueue

[nocturne pawn]

its activated at the start of the fight

[mellow linden]

By “CRed” do you mean Red + Articuno?

[noble plaza]

casual flex

[valid ivy]

Yea champ red

[nocturne pawn]

any field effect without extension activated turn 1 will stop quad queue

[mellow linden]

Ok, just wanted to be sure

[nocturne pawn]

since it will last for 9 actions

[noble plaza]

oh yeahhh

[silver dirge]

Yes, it expires right before you sync, which allows enemy to queue a move

[nocturne pawn]

its just seun stacking and accel

[silver dirge]

Based rock team tbh

[noble plaza]

oh wow you're such a skilled player 😛 /lh

My params seem pretty normal

[mellow linden]

Can run any tank with the Champ Marnie team, maybe a gauge Support for the NC Red team (unless he’s 3/5 and gridded for Hail, in which case you should use a Hail setter, or if you have Irida, in which case she’s an obvious choice), you need a Sp. Atk. + crit Support for the Hau + C. Elesa team, and…if you’re dead-set on SS Lyra then maybe a Grass damage-dealer + an appropriate Support for the team? Thanks to Naomi you probably have a good shot at on-typing though

[nocturne pawn]

also r2 siebold’s trivial

guarantees flinch and paralysis with volkner

[noble plaza]

I did r1 siebold

[nocturne pawn]

uh

interesting decision

[noble plaza]

Because I couldn't beat malva

[silver dirge]

I see lots of strength

[noble plaza]

And you said it best about r1 Drasna

[silver dirge]

Pick up some offense drop some strength to make presync easier

[grizzled ridge]

What round order is recommended for psychic CS

[noble plaza]

I'm just using the params the sheet is giving me

[silver dirge]

You may need to reset if Drasna chooses to go too many special moves

But it should be easier to clear

[noble plaza]

Or Dragon Rush

That thing hits like a truck

[silver dirge]

Those are recommendations, you should adjust to your team/playstyle always

[mellow linden]

Ideally use a Psychic Terrain setter or other advantageous field effect on round 4, plan round 3 before planning any other round. Other than that it doesn’t matter a ton

[noble plaza]

Fair enough

[silver dirge]

Hop should tank physical moves better he buffs defence

[noble plaza]

Oh yeah I know. Healthy Advantage helps a lot

[valid ivy]

What are some examples of tanks i could run for cmarnie, also does nc red reallt need gauge support sine his move is 2 gauges, also what suport buffs sp atk and crit for hau team (maybe ss kris?), and yea im dead aet on ss lyra bc of her stunlocking but my only good grass damage dealer is sc rosa and maybe ss erika, also who is naomi

[noble plaza]

Naomi is the free sightseer pair you get from the event

The one with Rosa giving the tour

[valid ivy]

Oh yea her

I thought she sucked tho

[silver dirge]

No, she's decent

Most pairs are, just gotta build them right and now how to play them

[mellow linden]

Tank would be basically any Support who can buff one or both defenses.

The reason I say gauge Support on the Red team is because there’s not much else to run, tbh. If using the team against Drasna Malva you can bring any weather setter other than Sun.

SS Kris would work fine for the Hau + C. Elesa team, yeah.

SS Lyra + SS Erika + Attack and crit Support would be great for offtyping

Sorry, Malva for the Red team

[valid ivy]

People said normal@1/5 cynthia was better but if thay is the case then ill use her

[mellow linden]

I think Naomi is a bit ahead of a 1/5 Cynthia

[valid ivy]

So like skyla or bp morty or melony?

[mellow linden]

Cynthia quite wants 3/5

[mellow linden]

Yep, those are all examples of tanks

[valid ivy]

Also ive tried ss erika w ss lyra and i just die way too wuickly

[valid ivy]

Oh

[valid ivy]

K thanks

What rounds should i use each team on

[silver dirge]

Definitely a param issue or a stage gimmick/thing you need to take care of. SS Erika (3/5) and SS Lyra is a very strong duo

[valid ivy]

Alr

One last thing, whats the dif between a pre and post sync param setup

[proud axle]

"Do I want to kill the enemy before they get their first sync?"

Presync: rush them down before they can
Postsync: build your team to withstand the sync and fight through

[valid ivy]

Wait so since i have like no tanky units in my yeams i should always aim for presync?

[proud axle]

Presync often means going for the "Rocket Tag Gameplay" style. Give the enemy high offense with the intention of taking them down before they can hit you too much-- and build your team for full offense with little or no survivability to ensure you get the kill in time

I just recorded a Drasna clear with Lisia+Sycamore+Blue/Blastoise, postsync build

Gonna need a few minutes to edit it, though. It's 4 minutes long even at double speed

Drasna's freaking toothless without her precious SpAtk buffs and Dragon Zone. And I'm pretty sure I used the wrong grids for this

But I still won

[valid ivy]

Wow nice, any ideas for replacements for blue?

[proud axle]

I picked him for +Def and +Crit

[silver dirge]

I would recommend trying a more conventional team and practicing those first tbh

[proud axle]

His Safety Net was a big help but I think I could've lived without it if I remembered to pick the correct grids

[proud axle]

This isn't that unconventional. It's double-attacker.

Bog-standard postsync strategy, just that I defog away critshield for +150 easy points and then defog away Dragon Zone to make Drasna harmless

[silver dirge]

Yeah I know, but like they've been struggling a little so it might help practising the "obvious" teams first

If that makes sense

[proud axle]

Wait, have they not won it while I was recording that

[silver dirge]

[proud axle]

Because I needed a few retries on account of the "WAIT THESE ARE THE WRONG GRIDS" nonsense

(Sycamore was on a grid without Team Sharp Entry so I had to fish for Blue TM MPR, for example)

Okay, edited it down from a (checks) 1.7 Gigabyte file to a 61.5 Megabyte file. 61.5MB still is really big for Discord, though... Do you want to see it anyway?

I actually misplayed at a few points, since I'm not used to playing at max speed, so you can laugh at the time I fucked up a regular triplequeue

Well, here's the most important bit. Drasna's sync hits for nothing against this team. Blastoise actually survived this.

And, in fact, survived the entire fight.

If I had a Team Sharp Entry grid on Sycamore, I could've opened with X Def All and significantly blunted the damage of a Turn1 Dragon Rush. That would've had a bit of a domino effect changing the timing of Lisia's taunt, allowing for potentially surviving without having to burn Blue's Endure (which he only has due to Safety Net)

I probably didn't need to worry that much, though... You can see Sycamore's still really healthy. Plenty of Moonblasting left even if Blue and Lisia went down

Params were standard Ontype Postsync 2500. Tech damage vuln switched for Striker damage vuln (there are no Strikers on this team), HP+2 and Def+1 changed for Crit Shield (Lisia can just Defog it), No Interference changed for No Status Conditions

If you lack SSBlue, it can probably be made to work with Lodge Blue-- he also gives Def and Crit. Sycamore would have to tank. Lodge Blue doesn't have Endurance, but he can grid for a 60% flinch chance-- which I think might make up for it.

[weak sleet]

Is this enough to clear the new special stadium?

And who is hop designed to be weak against?

[mellow linden]

Should be, got a damage-dealer for each stage just fine

[zealous karma]

i think it was designed for SSsteven

[mellow linden]

Ah, maybe

But as Giga pointed out a couple days ago, a Skyla gridded for Unbending acting as the tank negates most of the debuffs

[weak sleet]

Sigh my biggest regret in life of not getting....

[weak sleet]

Debuffs? He tanks your stats basically?

So much for off typing him with rats I guess?

[mellow linden]

Only Defense and Speed debuffs

Don't need to off-type since you have SS Lusamine, but if you wanted to just use OPikachus you could run them + a Skyla gridded for Unbending and be fine

[zealous karma]

she also has haste so I didnt reallly think of that

[weak sleet]

SS lusamine can easily clear hop?

[zealous karma]

If calem can I am sure the top tier unit can

[weak sleet]

Calem...as in story calem?

Like the crummy story calem.

[zealous karma]

Yes calem and meowstic lel

[mellow linden]

Yeah, I ran Skyla + SS Lusamine + Lodge Elesa and did it just fine (albeit Skyla got KOed by Hop's Sync)

[weak sleet]

Do you mind sharing the grids?

[noble plaza]

So I decided to go a little unconventional and use SC Ingo instead of Darach

[zealous karma]

I wouldnt say hes that bad

[noble plaza]

for my Drasna team

because he can lower defenses and buff speed

and still replace the zone. And the evasion buffs are nice

and it actually worked out!

[lean cosmos]

How important is it to 2.5k each of the E4

[zealous karma]

for a first stnc thats pretty okay

[lean cosmos]

Cus I don’t think I’m gonna be able to

[noble plaza]

oh it's just rewards

you get all the rewards if you are able to 2.5k all 5 but you definitely don't have to

[zealous karma]

for a newer play I am not sure how diff the special cs rewards are but most the good ones end at 4K pointd

[lean cosmos]

I’m already at 5k rn so I’ll probably not 2.5k kahili

[noble plaza]

I definitely recommend getting some of the rewards because you can use the champion spirits to buff your pairs, which will help you go higher later

[lean cosmos]

I’m kinda stuck where I can’t 2.5k either Bruno or kahili with the fast sync moves

[weak sleet]

Can any of the other 4 be off typed?

[noble plaza]

do you have the post sync params?

[lean cosmos]

Bruno I need more healing and kahili I need gios aoe

[weak sleet]

I'll save ss lusamine for hop

[lean cosmos]

I’m using off type post for kah and toxic stall for bruno

But since I already toxic stalled flint with oleana I have to use other sp

[noble plaza]

are your params right? toxic stall should be able to survive a sync

[lean cosmos]

It’s not just a sync, I have to survive like 10+ syncs or something like that

I’m prob over exaggerating but still

[mellow linden]

Sure, gimme like 2-3 minutes

[lean cosmos]

I have to bring jaine crowbat just for toxic but I really wish I could replace her with a potion user

[noble plaza]

Zamazenta has potions though?

[lean cosmos]

It’s not enough

I’ve tried multiple times

[noble plaza]

do you have the MP tiles?

[lean cosmos]

Yes

[noble plaza]

do you have the poison stall parameters?

[lean cosmos]

Yes

[noble plaza]

that's odd

[lean cosmos]

It’s just I’m hit so much I need god rng on potion Np

[noble plaza]

you're using venom drench?

like, spamming it?

[lean cosmos]

Yes, consistent at -6

[noble plaza]

that's really weird. that team should be good for poison stalling

[lean cosmos]

It’s really good, it’s just how long I need to stall which is the problem

[weak sleet]

Are you on the round that boosts poison damage?

[lean cosmos]

No I’m on R3

Fast sync moves

[mellow linden]

@weak sleet the grids for Skyla, Lodge Elesa, and SS Lusamine that I used for the fight

[lean cosmos]

Which is why it’s so hard to do either of them, Bruno just weakens me down unless I get god rng and kahili is something else

[proud axle]

Lucian.
Hop has lower resistance to Atk debuffs and SpDef debuffs... which are Lucian's specialty.
Skyla can block nearly all the debuffs that Hop himself throws at you. So that leaves a self-sufficient Psychic attacker for your third slot

An Impervious tank (e.g. gridded Sycamore, if you haven't used him already) can fill Skyla's slot

[noble plaza]

off topic but who should I use vs Wikstrom: 2/5 Bea or Solgaleo?

Oh i also have EX 3/5 Wally

[proud axle]

Depends on your other members

[tired sleet]

Bea wants 3/5 for inertia and her DPS isn’t remarkably high otherwise

[noble plaza]

oh okay

[proud axle]

Wally and Solgaleo both use SpAtk so that can work...

[noble plaza]

Double DPS?

[weak sleet]

Thanks!

[swift swan]

i remember making it work with Bea 2/5 grid and she did well, just not on Wikstrom iirc

[proud axle]

I like double DPS builds. But that's just me.

[noble plaza]

that's fair

[proud axle]

Solgaleo has a problem here though... I think Wikstrom has Earthquake. Solga's weak against Ground

[noble plaza]

Ohhh I totally forgot about that

[weak sleet]

Oh so something like Skyla, Lucian, and SS lusamine can work?

[proud axle]

So you gotta watch out

[proud axle]

I think so!

[noble plaza]

Also for zone removers/replacers, I still got Irida, Darach, and Lisia available

[proud axle]

Could also use Sycamore Lucian Giovanni

[weak sleet]

Also what units would go well with Lear, Giovanni, and Bianca? Trying to figure out the other 4 but I can always blast them with with rats, frogs, Adaman, Articuno, and zygarde if I'm desperate.

[proud axle]

If you can survive the first steel zone, you will be fine without a remover. Maybe by flinching?

[noble plaza]

i have plenty of flinchers available

[weak sleet]

I'm not familiar with those units at all so I'm not sure what they would want.

[proud axle]

I used Neo Leaf with Lear-- after Lear snatches Flint's Entry buffs, Leaf spams Leer to ensure his stats are never in the positives for the rest of the fight.
Giovanni works with SSBrendan for fast SpDef debuffs, if you have him. Otherwise Roxanne or Sycamore give him SpAtk and Speed.
Bianca wants speed and crit. 3/5Hilbert or SSBlue or something, plus a co-attacker to double-dip on Psy Terrain

[weak sleet]

So lear and neo leaf are solid for flint, what stage for those?

[proud axle]

I used stage 1, sync amp, just because Flint seemed most dangerous in general. Sinnoh League, and all

Hold on, I posted my Hall of Fame earlier today

[zealous karma]

I would not bring sun to a fight against flint unless you’re extremely confidant your tank will not be taking damage

[weak sleet]

Oh and should I sync first with ex SS lusamine or a ex support?

[zealous karma]

Lusamime first

[proud axle]

Funny you should say that. I nearly pressed Flare Blitz on reflex and then "WAIT NO"
So she just spammed Leer the entire fight.

It's just Leer... and Lear.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009554906568462476/1154099858156814496/Screenshot_20230920-125829.png

[noble plaza]

NICE

[lean cosmos]

Sadly I couldn’t 2.5k her but at least it’s a free 100 gems

[proud axle]

Fight 1: as mentioned.
Fight 2: Brendan sets up SpDef Down for Gio to capitalize with his EX nuke.
Fight 3: Half sync means LuSSamine's TM hastens the countdown to the point of being able to sync (and go Ultra) at the start of turn 2. Then Redlax feeds her more SEUNs
Fight 4: It's a little cursed but A.May and Hilbert give Will all the buffs he wants, for Stored Power
Champion: SSBlue, Lucian, Bianca as mentioned. SSBlue does not have Impervious or Unbending here, I was just counting on his XDef All to outpace the Def debuffs

Little funny story about the Champion fight
Normally, Hop's Thunderous Kick inflicts Def Down to propagate across your team via his Ripple Effect
But in my playthrough, this was the attack that knocked Blastoise out
And he can't inflict Def Down if the target is no longer present so it didn't debuff the others

The other two easily crushed him. I was using the Permanent Fields modifier for gauge accel field and Psy terrain

For Fight 2, one of SSBrendan's Luster Purges was aimed at the left sidekick, as Kahili herself was already at -5 SpDef. Then, when Gio launched the first sync, the extra Smarty-Pants multiplier took out the left guy for a KO denial

I think it left Kahili with a sliver of HP, and failed to crit the right sidekick. Some Psychics mopped it up easily

[weak sleet]

Thank you very much for all the insight!

I'll give this a whirl and see what happens.

[lean cosmos]

Ight why does hop do so much dmg fr, I’m using box standard post sync parameters

[proud axle]

I did that team but with a Psychic attacker in Aaron's slot. Lucian can snipe Hop very well, but then the sidekicks are a problem; an actual attacker (I used Bianca) can take them down for him. I used presync parameters

[lean cosmos]

Which round rule did you choose?

[zealous karma]

I personally chose the extra sync buff param

[proud axle]

Permanent fields, for Bianca's Psy Terrain and Blue's gauge accel

[lean cosmos]

Ooh true

[proud axle]

If you're not using Psy Terrain, then I'd use sync amp yeah

Got any Psychic attackers left?

As amazing as Lucian's snipe is, he can't really do a lot between syncs

[lean cosmos]

I’ll try this

[proud axle]

That's my exact team, though I did have more move levels. Give it a shot?

...Does Blue have TM MPR at 1/5?

Bianca will need it to get 3 crit

[swift swan]

no

[proud axle]

Oooof

[swift swan]

well stored power does a lot of damage anyway

i'm just worried about 1/5 Lucian

[grand trout]

how about aaron instead

[proud axle]

Hm, they had Aaron and I think Aaron also has +Def and +Crit? Does Aaron have MPR at 2/5?

[grand trout]

for more stored power shenanigans

[swift swan]

at 2/5 he does have TM MPR

[proud axle]

Bianca can max Stored Power's stack on her own, she just wants to crit to get past the Lightscreen

[proud axle]

Aaron might work, then!

[lean cosmos]

yea nope

[grand trout]

use aaron instead of ss blue

[swift swan]

switch blue with aaron. also, what params are you running?

aaron can tank presync hits

[grand trout]

can biance buff her attack

[swift swan]

special attack. but she's rather slow at it

[proud axle]

Psy Terrain, TM, TM. And then spam Stored Power after EX Sync

[grand trout]

i mean aaron can buff her attack, ofc she's a special attacker but it counts for the stored power

[proud axle]

Nothing after 12 stacks counts for anything, IIRC

[grand trout]

oh

TIL

[proud axle]

And Bianca has 12 stacks right there

[grand trout]

i used to stack...well, stacks on her

loll

[proud axle]

If this were Good Form or Rising Tide, that would work. Stored Power has a very reachable limit tho

[grand trout]

is this the same with power trip

[proud axle]

I believe so

[tired sleet]

Stored Power/Power Trip cap at 11, and Rising Tide/Power Play cap at 18

[grizzled ridge]

Is this team okay ?

[proud axle]

18? That's lower than I thought. So Good Form (and its opposite, Power Loving) might be the only ones that go all the way?

[tired sleet]

Yup, good form/power play cap at 42

[lean cosmos]

Still have no where enough dmg

[proud axle]

How does Hop still have so much HP left

[manic kiln]

did you take the wrong parameters or something

[proud axle]

Did you grid Bianca for Stored Power BP? I realize there aren't many reachable at 1/5, but...

[zealous karma]

why aaron to support two special attackers

[proud axle]

Renewable Def buff and they can raise SpAtk themselves

[zealous karma]

When lucian wants to be clicking growl every turn of the battle you really want a support who can buff him

And Bianca onlt buffs herself by 4 tanks if she’s in terrain otherwise it’s 2-3

[proud axle]

Originally, Aaron's slot was SSB but he was 1/5 so no TM MPR to max crit

[proud axle]

Perma fields, it's fine

[zealous karma]

SSB doesn’t help their buffs either apart from the inconsistent team shout

[lean cosmos]

I was using pre sync [more hp]

On type

[zealous karma]

That looks like special damage reduction 8

Also I wouldn’t take hp for those two

[manic kiln]

don't choose hp, but even then they're still at almost full hp

[proud axle]

Lucian should be able to OHKO with the second sync, and quadqueue is possible because fields are permanent

So Lucian should be able to assassinate Hop before Hop syncs

[zealous karma]

Do you not have any special attack +’crit buffers?

Or know how to team build

[proud axle]

They will definitely want one that also gives Def

And/or has Unbending

Due to the debuff amp parameter in play

[swift swan]

i don't think that's particularly necessary

[lean cosmos]

Honeslty I don’t really know how to tb outside of the basics

[manic kiln]

you use cblue already? should've saved better pairs for later stages

[zealous karma]

What is your meaning of the basics?

[drifting sleet]

Who to use as anchors?

[proud axle]

What is an anchor

[zealous karma]

CBede Sabrina and Caitlin can be used as one but you’d have to grid for full utility

[drifting sleet]

I mean the main damager then I build the team around them

[manic kiln]

like main dps and build around them

[proud axle]

Last time I heard someone use the word to describe a really weak move to throw when nothing else is available

[zealous karma]

I thought you meant tank woops

[lean cosmos]

Kinda just like supports are generally good and debuff enemy’s

[zealous karma]

That’s not entirely true

[lean cosmos]

Got a lot to learn when it comes to team balancing NGL

[drifting sleet]

Okay clearer qn: who to use as Main DPSes?

[proud axle]

Supports are tanks and/or team buffers
The debuffers are usually Techs

[manic kiln]

mewtwo, lana, lussa, caitlin, lucian/bianca

save better pairs for flint and hop

[drifting sleet]

Caitlin is a dps? i assumed she tank

[manic kiln]

use older pairs for the other 3

[proud axle]

Will/Xatu can also DPS well with the right teammates to buff him

[zealous karma]

She’s a striker thay got a good power boost

[drifting sleet]

I've not experimented w/lucian

[zealous karma]

With furious brawn and sync power flux

You haven’t used lucian before wow he’s a great dwbuffer or slot in for a special team

[proud axle]

Lucian can't DPS but his sync snipe is thermonuclear and his innate passives give a comical number of benefits for Growl

[lean cosmos]

I’m gonna prob try this instead, sabirina can set up perm reflects and give Lucian +spatk

[proud axle]

Sabrina vs phys attacks

[lean cosmos]

Might replace Bianca with Aaron then

[zealous karma]

Sabrina is physically frail so you might want to use reflect turn one and maybe get her unbending LS, and take less strenght + offensive paramds

Lucian doesnt have DPS Bianca carries it

[lean cosmos]

Ah

[manic kiln]

bianca is the better tank than sabrina

[proud axle]

Lucian's sync move is his only real attack

[drifting sleet]

Is Bede a good main dps choice?

[proud axle]

Neo Bede is a tank and buffer.

[drifting sleet]

Bede and Hatterene I mean

[zealous karma]

He’smore of a utility unit hybrid with a really good max move

[proud axle]

Oh. Aren't they Fairy rather than Psychic

[zealous karma]

He can also apply psychic terrain which is nice

While debuffing SpDef he’s great

[drifting sleet]

He does get psybeam with superduper effective

[zealous karma]

Not as a damage dealer but as a secondary unit

[drifting sleet]

But psybeam only 48 power

[zealous karma]

With Bede you’ll prollly be spamming dazzling gleam for aoe SpDef/Spatk debuffs

[drifting sleet]

Hm oki

[proud axle]

Am I overlooking him or is he not in the photo from before

[zealous karma]

hes a fairy type they filtered psychic

[drifting sleet]

Lemme invest a bit in Lucian and see what happens

[drifting sleet]

Yeah he's fairy type so not in that photo haha sorry for confusion

[proud axle]

I think his most important stuff is innate so you might be able to "just" level him and maybe leave him gridless

I would never have expected Growl to ever be good but Lucian makes it great

[drifting sleet]

Hey growl is great on palnie

As a palnie enjoyer I can't let that slide

[proud axle]

I only have one (1) seasonal and it's literally the worst one (Halloween Acerola)

So yeah no I don't keep seasonals in mind

[lean cosmos]

I don’t know what to do, I think I’m gonna lower the points and 2.5k him on the rematch

[zealous karma]

You missed triple wueue turn one first off or max crit

[lean cosmos]

[zealous karma]

If you give me a couple I will try to record what to do

[proud axle]

Why even use X SpAtk when Sabrina already maxes his SpAtk by herself

[lean cosmos]

I was just trying to cycle into sync move

[proud axle]

A sync move that cannot crit

Sync moves have a base crit rate of 0% without buffs

X Atk does nothing on this team. His other TM actually does something

If you do not crit, the Lightscreen cuts the damage

[manic kiln]

missed quad queue, also over queue, many players did this, just queue exactly 9 moves, 3 each turn, then sync, then queue another 3 moves

[proud axle]

This is also getting you fucking killed

It's making you lose turns.

Turn it off and you have more time to work

[zealous karma]

That’s not true it’s more difficult for a new player to triple queue tho