Champion Stadium

[marble pike]

Hard cs is pretty free

[sick inlet]

• For Malva: SSHilbert-Bug, Ariana-Poison, Roxxane-Rock (you want weather control, if your Olivia is 3/5 use Olivia-rock and Bertha-ground instead of SSHilbert-bug and Roxxane-rock)

• For Drasna: just do what you want i hate it here.

• For Wikstorm: GiovanniPersian-normal, Bea-fighting, BP Clemont

• For Chief guy: just take someone to apply paralyze like Volkner.

• For Diantha: (** if you used Olivia for Malva, Put SS Hilbert-bug here**) Courtney-ground, Naomi-ground, NCSelena

[glacial star]

yes

[sick inlet]

Well

You can still use the Olivia/Bertha combination if the Weather is difficult to handle for you

[glacial star]

lemme try em first

should i evolve into porbopass

[sick inlet]

Preferably

[marble pike]

Just like carry the unit types that’s what I did lmao

[glacial star]

i see

ariana and arbok good at 1/5?

[silver dirge]

LOL the drasna stage

[silver dirge]

No not really. Definitely not a good option off type

Oh it's hard mode

[mellow linden]

1/5 Ariana is good for Poison stall and reasonable for Sync nuke/Defense debuffs

[glacial star]

i see

what does wide guard do specifically

[silver dirge]

Blocks an AoE move

[glacial star]

ok so roxanne ariana and ss hilbert for the first one

[silver dirge]

I wouldn't personally recommend wide guard since it messes with your sync countdown

[glacial star]

ok so no wideguard?

also who should i use as my main striker

hilbert or ariana

[silver dirge]

Hilbert definitely

[glacial star]

• what should be my approach through ariana

[silver dirge]

Ariana is terrible dps, she's just there for her type (in this context)

[glacial star]

just screeching?

[silver dirge]

Uh sure but SS Hilbert isn't going to benefit from defence debuffs

He's special

[glacial star]

that true too

[silver dirge]

You can just poision all of em with poison fang

[swift swan]

Ariana to apply status condition basically

[silver dirge]

Then spam some acid maybe you'll proc some spdef debuffs

Oh nvm she has on the roll 9

[swift swan]

Since f2p special def debuffers aren't common. Maybe you have Lucian which is good but if Ariana works, then sure

[glacial star]

she just 1 shot roxanne 💀

[swift swan]

Malva? Yeah she hits very hard and Roxanne at 3* is very frail

Change the weather

[silver dirge]

Maybe bring Bertha here for the ground type

And disable her sun

[swift swan]

I'd really avoid using offtype ss hilbert... he can be used on Siebold instead

Olivia kinda wants 2/5 at least. So maybe learn how to use Roark. Needs grid though

[left storm]

Oh right I wanted to test him against malva

[glacial star]

roxanne is at 5/5

[left storm]

Before I got sidelined by using sylveon

[left storm]

3* = 3 stars

[swift swan]

I said 3*, as in potential

[left storm]

Not 3/5

[mellow linden]

3* and 3/5 are different things

[left storm]

Btw NGL triple ice is a good mix of frogs+ moltres and triple grass

For cheesing 3.5k offtype

[glacial star]

so bertha in and roxanne out for weather control

[swift swan]

Bertha, Roark, crit buffer

Switch out ss hilbert. Use him for siebold instead

[glacial star]

i see

crit buffer who should i use4

[swift swan]

Oof i guess you don't have Sonia yet

[glacial star]

yamper?

[swift swan]

To be fair bertha already buffs crit by 2, you just need 1 more to top it off. Let's see

[swift swan]

Yes. Or did I miss her somewhere

Kiawe, I think

[glacial star]

no i dont

i see

lemme try em

[swift swan]

Do try to grid Roark

Either his nuke or DPS grid can work

[left storm]

Lol

Sentry entry X2 btw

I even forgot to change my offtype params

Lol

[teal pawn]

Aight I did poison stall on round 3 against wikstrom and I won with no one dying

Swimsuit misty carry

[keen jasper]

How many pts.? The usual 2.5k?

[teal pawn]

Yep

Same param for poison stall

Team is swimsuit misty janine Ariados and Lucy seviper

All of them at 130+ only

Also I don't have vigilance on misty so if you have it's good and if not I guess she can tank one crt hit

I just sync heal on right times

[left storm]

I forgot this unit is actually solid with Stat↑3

[latent bison]

Here is the team's used for this week's champion stadium. Lots of type diversity.

[sick inlet]

Is this Hard mode or master mode?

[latent bison]

Hard mode why

[sick inlet]

Just curiousity and To gauge how I can help someone looking for hardmode next time xD

[latent bison]

They also can do master mode

[silver dirge]

I think hard mode is mostly just mashing together a strong damage dealer and 2 random types to get the medal

[latent bison]

I agree with you that is how I did it the first time

[proud axle]

Does that still work for Kalos?

Str+0 makes it less crazy but is it that easy?

[long thicket]

Wikstrom from round 3 seems like a terrible idea.

Because Fighting is almost physical only.

[proud axle]

Huh? What's the problem?

[long thicket]

Physical damage reduced.

[proud axle]

Crit and you don't have to care.

Also why aren't you using the phys reduction parameter anyway

[mellow linden]

Wikstrom is mixed, so you get some benefit from the round parameter

[proud axle]

Also the pin says it's special reduction

Which sounds fantastic when he has Flash Cannon in Steel Zone

[mellow linden]

Also yeah, crits ignore Light Screen/Reflect, so unless your team is poorly put together to begin with there wouldn’t be an issue in the 1st place

[proud axle]

The enemy should have reflect/lightscreen permanently in Master Mode anyway

[teal pawn]

I'm done with csmm for this week
Had to end at 12k as usual cause siebold was annoying asf

[analog timber]

Any thoughts on best route for round 1, I tried an electric team with NC Blue, Volkner and Hau but just not strong enough. I tried an off-type team on Malva around NC Red and the early sync still seems to make that troublesome. Any suggestions

[proud axle]

Unless you Defog or Brick Break, which... well, some Fighting pairs do have the latter

[long thicket]

Okay, actually.....

Champion Blue was a terrific support for my Wally/Hop combo.

Even with the effect of his electric move being heavily reduced.

[mellow linden]

Half-Sync is always a bit of a problematic thing. Is this Hard Mode or Master Mode?

[proud axle]

He's a Support, who cares about his damage tho

[analog timber]

Master, trying a 2500

[proud axle]

The actual best part of Blue's Discharge is that he has chaining freebies

No gauge cost

[mellow linden]

Might wanna try off-typing someone other than Malva with Adaman + SS Erika + Attack/crit Support then

[long thicket]

I have a weird relationship with supports in this mode.

I go on-type even with the parameters.

[analog timber]

Interesting, will give that a look. Erika > Brendan?

[proud axle]

There aren't many Supports whose damage is worth anything

[long thicket]

I think I just feared it being useless once I use the two TM, I guess.

[mellow linden]

Brendan might work as well, can try both

[mellow linden]

Your Supports’ damage output is pretty much meaningless regardless

[proud axle]

It costs no net gauge after the first one, gives the team +Sp/Def, and has a flinch chance

[sharp willow]

supports are generally not doing damage even on type

[long thicket]

Yeah so no gauge + the benefits he brings really make Blue great for that.

[mellow linden]

If you’re relying on your Supports’ damage output then something is fundamentally wrong with the team

[proud axle]

Who cares about the damage, Blue's Discharge is OP for everything else it does

[long thicket]

Also just realized I had to use double Zapdos...

I don't actively rely on it, it's more so I hope they don't turn completely useless after two turns.

[mellow linden]

They allow for triple queue, that alone is valuable

[sharp willow]

they're accelerating your sync no matter what, as long as you're using moves with em

that's value alone

[long thicket]

Yeah, but some supports aren't that effective at it due to costing gauge.

So again, Blue is great for that.

It's just my two cents.

[mellow linden]

Very few Supports are significant burdens on the move gauge

And those that would normally be generally have some way of mitigating that

[left storm]

This week was especially fun ngl

[dawn gull]

these units be doing more dmg than my nc red

[teal pawn]

Need good setup tho

[dawn gull]

yea ik , i lack those

well not rlly i have few good

[teal pawn]

I'm still hopium on 3rd anni rerun in Dec so I can have more off type options

[dawn gull]

wait ? thts guarenteed ?

[teal pawn]

Obviously not

[dawn gull]

-_-///......

[teal pawn]

Iirc 2nd anni rerun last year Dec so I'm just coping

It's possible it won't even happen and they ll just set em up behind paywall and be end of that

[dawn gull]

paywall ?

[teal pawn]

Paid gem scouts

[dawn gull]

[sand karma]

Master fairs have never been in paid select scouts

[silver dirge]

There's a first time for everything

[teal pawn]

May raihan and skyla anni pairs rerun in paid scout so yeah they can do that especially how good 3rd anni pairs are

[silver dirge]

They are pokefairs though, not master fairs

[teal pawn]

True but I am just saying it's possible

It just that it doesn't make sense only pokefairs to be in paid scouts when master fair pairs are high value as well

Depends how much your team can handle imo

Like if round 1 fast sync is hard then pick easier fight that you can handle it

You can opt for poison stall if you lack dmg on other fights

Don't have to force the options for on type

[cinder coyote]

Man this first parameter is a nightmare

I have all the correct things but they just don’t work together

[left storm]

The fairy team looks very mediocre, syca and Lillie don't really work on the same pace

[cinder coyote]

I’m looking to beat Drasna first, I have 6 EX Sycamore and 5 star sygna Wally, who else should I use (or who should I used instead)

[teal pawn]

Maybe little rng like if they don't aoe early you get little time to breathe and plan

[left storm]

You don't need your support to be a fairy type

BP Clemont + BP Valerie works well, and clemont can enhance sycamore's horn leech if you can afford to remove the offtype option

Thing is, Drasna stage sets dragon zone presync so you either kill it before then

Or bring a zone setter yourself

[cinder coyote]

Same problem, suggestion for someone who doesn’t have bp Valerie but does have sygna Wally?

[left storm]

1/5 exed SS wally can solo DPS drasna

[cinder coyote]

Not ex’d 😓

But I do have ex syca

[teal pawn]

You ll need to bring atk and crt support for wally

[left storm]

Your supports?

SS wally can fill in mediocre support buffs

Like no mpr torchic

[cinder coyote]

Also 6EX leaf/eevee and Syca/xerneas

[left storm]

Just need to being defensive buffers

[noble plaza]

anyone I should avoid/save for certain rounds?

[teal pawn]

Wikstrom is one imo

I poison stall him

[cinder coyote]

Gotcha

[cinder coyote]

This good?

Jasmine has Clang and X defense mp refresh

[noble plaza]

who should I do R1?

[teal pawn]

Anyone your teams can handle easier

[left storm]

The thing is you need a mega sync as first option to enable his buddy

[cinder coyote]

I think auto correct got to your sentence lol

Wait nvm lol

Got it

[left storm]

Well mega ampharos is easily the best support you got there

[cinder coyote]

Usually I’d syca sync first

[left storm]

But you might wanna save jasmine for a harder stage

[cinder coyote]

Yes definitely, especially the stage that’s weak to electric moves and I’m using Ash-chu on that

[left storm]

Well if you have ash

You don't need her

Ash and tbolt red can solo every CSMM if it's electric weak

[cinder coyote]

Your first mistake is believing I have that version of red

[left storm]

Yeah I mean either one

Can solo

[cinder coyote]

I think I’m using the wrong stage requirements

[left storm]

So ash doesn't need jasmine

At all

[cinder coyote]

The score things

Where are the recommended ones again?

[teal pawn]

You can check them in pin

[keen jasper]

Welp, I just pussied out on Wikstrom and did 3.5k pts.

[teal pawn]

Isn't 2.5k max tho

[cinder coyote]

Was just abt to say that

[keen jasper]

Yeah, but people want to do an extra bit challenge

I managed 4k on other 3 E4 tho

[left storm]

3-3.5k is fun

4k is a bit too scuffed for me

[teal pawn]

Ya all just in whole new level

[keen jasper]

Welp, I guess my total pts. for this week is 19500

[left storm]

3500 offtype can be rough af

Like, even NC red struggles

[keen jasper]

Ropalme did manage 20k pts. off-type on a special CS

[left storm]

I can see that being the case

As someone with 45 bucks in the game in 4 years I think I can afford to not max tryhard

Albeit I did ice CS 2v3 3k which was pretty big imo

[noble plaza]

should I offtype Drasna?

[keen jasper]

Use Lodge Lillie

[noble plaza]

oh really?

how should I replace the zone though?

[teal pawn]

I think volkner swellow has defog, you can use him to remove the zone but if it doesn't affect your team in terms of buffs

[cinder coyote]

Yeah I have been struggling with Wikstrom

[keen jasper]

Oh man, I was so close to 4k-ing Diantha with YOLO parameters

[cinder coyote]

My only choice is to replace it but I don’t have fighting zone, or I get rid of it, but my best zone remover is darach, who otherwise, is shit against this version of wikstrom

[teal pawn]

I used swimsuit misty jannine and Lucy to poison stall maybe you can try that

[cinder coyote]

Lucy…

Me tryna remember who that is

[teal pawn]

Lucy with seviper

[cinder coyote]

But I do have misty and Janine

[cinder coyote]

I’m lost

[teal pawn]

She's from hoenn iirc

Poison type

[cinder coyote]

OH

that chick

[teal pawn]

Yeah

[cinder coyote]

I’m assuming I should poison stall him when I have the status condition bonus

[teal pawn]

Not really

I beat him in r3

Little sp atk reduction helps

I don't even have vigilance on misty but I still cleared it

These were my teams

[keen jasper]

Ok, it seems that I can definitely do 4k Diantha

And I finally done my 19.5k pts. clear

[fiery canopy]

do i have to get rid of steel zone for wikstrom or is it beatable with it

[keen jasper]

Well, Wikstrom only hits harder under steel zone, it's not like has mitigations under it

[noble plaza]

I think you mean Falkner. I know, the names are super similar

[keen jasper]

You mean Darach?

[teal pawn]

Yeah

[noble plaza]

Well I think he's actually thinking of Darach

But he thought of Falkner

[teal pawn]

Nah I meant falkner

[keen jasper]

Ah yeah, BP Falkner has Defog

So yeah

[teal pawn]

I mean either works

Just that it shouldn't affect your dps buffs

[keen jasper]

Who are you fighting against again?

[fiery canopy]

would sonia and bea work for wikstrom
dk who to use for third slot

[dark osprey]

Maybe you can try Bede, sycamore and lodge Acerola as well for Drasna. Should work well with either. Lodge Acerola confusing the centre will facilitate Bedes nuke and give crit to sycamore as well

[keen jasper]

A Defog unit works or a zone replacer/remover

[teal pawn]

I think so, for 3rd slot you can bring debuffer or zone remover

[fiery canopy]

gotcha

[keen jasper]

Wikstrom has lesser resistance to defense, special defense and speed debuffs, which is tailor-made for SC Diantha's passives

[fiery canopy]

lets seee
i got bp falkner, darach, lisia

i do naught have her

[keen jasper]

And preemptive steel zone only means that the only counter to that is Aura Cynthia

[fiery canopy]

dont have

[keen jasper]

That's fine, forget what I said

[teal pawn]

BP falkner or darach will do I guess

[fiery canopy]

kk!

[keen jasper]

I'd say Darach because earthquake is annoying

[fiery canopy]

i got it woo

[keen jasper]

Oh nice

[peak stirrup]

No matter what support I bring Malva two shots them

[fiery canopy]

not appreciating all the zones i have to deal with
do u have ingo/emmet

[peak stirrup]

No but I have Bertha to wipe away sun

Doesn’t matter tho

[teal pawn]

Do you have skyla swanna

I managed to use her in off sync setup against Malva and winnona pelipper to remove the sun maybe you can try something similar

[peak stirrup]

Yes but that won’t let Olivia get max Atk

[mellow linden]

Skyla can be gridded for Fanfare if using her

[teal pawn]

Ah I see but if it's just support you need someone with good def buffs and it should be fine

[mellow linden]

If you’re using Bertha + Olivia then Sonia at any move level can work fine as the Support

[teal pawn]

Yeah sonia is good here especially with atk and crt support too

Oh wait idk if she can get crt support in 1/5 tho

[mellow linden]

If using Bertha + Olivia it doesn’t matter, you wanna use Olivia’s Trainer Move once anyways (which gives +2 crit) and Bertha gives +1 crit per Trainer Move use

[teal pawn]

True

[nocturne pawn]

i hate fighting weak wikstrom

[peak stirrup]

Only if she syncs

[mellow linden]

Is your Skyla EX?

[keen jasper]

You really off-typed him

I think Wikstrom is my Achilles heel of doing 4k pts. except for fire-weak

[nocturne pawn]

yeah and i barely did it too

bt leon died to rock slide and left missed a steel beam

[left storm]

Offtyping wikstrom ain't that bad

[nocturne pawn]

yes it is

[left storm]

[nocturne pawn]

when everything hits like a freight train

i didnt even take attack up

but hilbert was getting slapped for his entire hp bar

eq was doing 300

anyway

courtney + rose is funny

20k aoe max move

:)

[left storm]

I won with 1/5 cserena and 3/5 ccalem + og Karen for flinch+ snarl

[nocturne pawn]

you have cserena shes a cheat button

[left storm]

1/5 has no DPS and no nuke but yeah she's great

[nocturne pawn]

wdym no dps

its like 150bp every shuriken

[left storm]

Rainless?

[nocturne pawn]

125

actually

[nocturne pawn]

25*5

for a 2 bar thats pretty good

and debuffs too

so it ramps

[keen jasper]

And she has Flabbergast for her Brutal Swing for AoE flinch cheese

[nocturne pawn]

staggering

flabbergast is confusion

[keen jasper]

Yeah that

[left storm]

Flabbergast is 3/5

[keen jasper]

Not Flabbergast

[left storm]

Staggering 2 is pretty shit tho

Also you don't want the stage to buff presync

[nocturne pawn]

flabbergast is 2/5

[left storm]

Lemme grab my old offtype wikstrom team

I think it was champion iris, Elio and ccalem

That one also was easy second(?) Or third try

[nocturne pawn]

mine isnt 3/5

[left storm]

Calem?

That definitely hinders since team safe start is huge for that team

[nocturne pawn]

no iris

[left storm]

Ahhhh

[nocturne pawn]

but like you kinda need safe staet

or else you just

[left storm]

Ciris is my offtype card

[nocturne pawn]

die of cringe

[left storm]

I never struggled offtyping with her

[nocturne pawn]

well isnt bt leon kinda like a better version

[left storm]

She's just a silly enabler

[left storm]

He needs RNG to debuff spa

He's better as a unit

Not as a specific debuffer/enabler

Imho

[nocturne pawn]

well i mean he sets up his nuke easier

[left storm]

Yeah but his nuke is weaker, while his DPS is higher

He's overall better

But ciris can -6 spa/atk in one cycle depending on what you need

While he can't lower spa as fast

[nocturne pawn]

i guess

[left storm]

And her nuke really packs a punch

[thin marten]

tried to do something with rose till i saw

sentry entry x2

so i said "whatever" and off typed it with my VIVE LA FRANCE team

[nocturne pawn]

against what

[thin marten]

malva

[nocturne pawn]

he doesnt care lol

if olivia can 2.5k it

rose absolutely can

[thin marten]

then why did he tickle that talonflame

anyway

[nocturne pawn]

skill issue

but im not lying when i said olivia can 2.5k malva this week

[thin marten]

(ccalem, cmarnie, sczinnia)

[left storm]

Malva has no hp

22-24k with presync params is less than what most other Kalos stages have at 0 points

[nocturne pawn]

yeah

a lot of kalos stages have like 21k at base

which is quite cancer

bug weak siebold next week has 29k

[left storm]

Many have 28.9k yea

[thin marten]

a lot of zone plays

[left storm]

Which is hard

How much was Drasna this week?

[thin marten]

ss hilby: what hp?

[left storm]

She was really hard with gigas as solo DPS

No nvm

I initially struggled with siebold

[thin marten]

if electric was the easiest

[left storm]

Then did Drasna first try

[nocturne pawn]

siebold was cancer the first weak

because

[thin marten]

then fairy had to be the second most easy i fear

[nocturne pawn]

kid named paralysis rng

fuck that shit

like its meant to advertise sst red

but you did not have to make it that annoying

[thin marten]

actually nvm it's third bc fighting was a breeze

[nocturne pawn]

how💀

wait lemme guess

aura cynthia

[thin marten]

with ex bea, aura cynthia and chop

[left storm]

Kekw

[thin marten]

[nocturne pawn]

yeah so like

literally everything that counters the stage

what an accomplishment

[thin marten]

i really do not care about comps anymore it's sad but 🤷

i just want my rewards

i think the hard fight is still rock weak bc i missed on a lot of rock units

[left storm]

I would stop playing CSMM if I just did every week by doing optimal 3v3 instackwar

[thin marten]

main rock units at least

[thin marten]

nvm my only good bug units are alder and ss hilby

if it's physical weak im done with

[keen jasper]

I did 4k Malva with SS Diantha

[thin marten]

laughs in no ss diantha pull

[left storm]

Good luck doing 3+k without SS diantha

[thin marten]

and i really triefd to get her but oh well

[keen jasper]

But yeah, rock-weak Malva is doable with physical damage dealers

[thin marten]

do i really want to do? no, not really

[left storm]

I bet I can 2.5k with regigigas in less than 3 tries with that hp

She's imo easier than most other stages because of that non existing bulk even with Phys strikers

[left storm]

Damn getting celesa made offtyping with Clair even easier

[cinder coyote]

Using Bertha and Classic EX blue for malva, who should I use as support?

[mellow linden]

A Sp. Atk. + crit Support would be ideal for letting Blue spam Hyper Beam as much as possible, but just Sp. Atk. buffs can work fine since Blue can just click Dire Hit+ once before going to Hyper Beam spam since Bertha buffs crit

[cinder coyote]

Gotcha

Funny story I just used bp Clemont and got it lol

[mellow linden]

Congrats!

[noble plaza]

Drasna

i also didn't realize Disastrous meant BP Falkner

actually maybe it isn't a good idea to do Drasna R1

[nocturne pawn]

maybe

maybe not

depends on the team comp

i would say that either drasna or malva are the easiest to r1 though

[noble plaza]

Malva's sync immediately knocks out Olivia

[proud axle]

Half sync vs Malva... hm. How fast can Lodge Steven set up?

Last time I tried him against her, it was with a more normal round, and I used an EX Support first

[tired sleet]

Just give him a Spatk+SpDef support and it should be fine
(But he’d probably want some help for the sides)

[proud axle]

Hm... if I do that, I might need to just let the sun stay up. Meaning the co-striker might have to be a sand-agnostic striker like Roark.

[cinder summit]

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[tired sleet]

No or option unfortunately

[proud axle]

I think you want the And option and the problem is that it's trying to show the Or option
But if the And option does not exist, ouch

Hm... Brendan/Latios? Is +4/+4 going to be enough?

[mellow linden]

He can get +2/+2 from his Trainer Move, iirc

So could do Trainer Move -> Stealth Rock -> Sync

[undone ether]

How is this for hop champ stadium?

Sadly no debuffer on ss steven's team orz

[mellow linden]

At a glance it seems like it’ll run fine, though I have no clue what Calem is doing besides moral support on the SS Steven team

[sick inlet]

5/5 Calem incoming

[wide adder]

Do you guys think I should try to full ontype pasio cs with this box? For the dps pairs

[nocturne pawn]

yes you can

lucian bianca will ss lussa giovanni and caitlin can all be dps

[undone ether]

Speed buff i guess

I can do olympia though

[mellow linden]

I don’t think you really need another damage-dealer on an SS Steven team

[nocturne pawn]

you dont

[mellow linden]

Could probably replace Lodge Lillie on the Bianca team with Olympia instead

[undone ether]

2/5 is fine?

I actually was putting lodge lillie there for - atk

But nc blue at 3/5 is great

[mellow linden]

Olympia can murder things right out of the box, more move levels mainly just increase self-sufficiency and further increase damage

[undone ether]

Wokay

Guess ill have to see the options are xD

[nocturne pawn]

brute wits is fun

[wide adder]

I assume 1/5 EX Anime wouldn’t be a dps unless I was willing to

[nocturne pawn]

i mean she can

but id probably use her for terrain setting

[wide adder]

Was considering her on a double dps team if so

What other psychic units do I have that want enemy -spatk, anyway? Im not too familiar with who wants that in the type other than herself

[mellow linden]

I think A. May is the only Psychic pair who cares about Sp. Atk. drops

Yeah, a quick check on pomatools seems to support that

[undone ether]

3/5 Anni May and 5/5 SS Brendan lets go xD

[proud axle]

Falls just short. Would work with room to spare if I fed him powerups or gave him EX, though. Thanks, I'll decide whether to--

...

Nah, I'm probably just going to crush it offtype with a three-Master-Pair Rain team. But I do still appreciate the theorycraft.

[zealous karma]

How did Olivia get that kill for me but l Steven didn’t

[mellow linden]

Could be any number of factors, this was also on half-Sync round

[zealous karma]

O

[wide adder]

I used halfsync on electric stage personally this week. Cleared it post sync since 1/5 N nuke isn’t huge but eh. Still easy with zap blue and og Lillie to rebuff and buff

[mellow linden]

I did Wikstrom because I have SSA Cynthia + Bea duo (+ Fall Caitlin because Attack + Speed buffs) to murderize him

[zealous karma]

I did wikstrom as well SCDiantha is a silly unit

[nocturne pawn]

also the fact he has lessened resistance to all of her debuffs

[proud axle]

The previous time Rock Malva ran, I did an EX Support Sync into Lodge Steven snipe for an OHKO.
The first time Rock Malva ran, I dealt with her Sentry x2 by just having Olivia nuke twice.

I'm a little impressed that Lodge Steven can almost win with this setup on half-sync, to be fair!

[zealous karma]

I think with some extra theme skills from someone like OG Steven he might get that

[proud axle]

Err, wouldn't Liv give more stats since type-match tends to be the biggest bonus

(Turns out my options were Liv without Sand or Roark without crit and... oof)

[zealous karma]

maybe roxanne than?

[proud axle]

If she replaces Liv/Roark, the sidekicks become a bigger issue (Lodge Steven's regular DPS is garbage). If she replaces Brendan, her themeskills don't actually add anything (Supports give HP; Steven and the Striker already give each other their full Sp/Atk on their own)

I've won with Lodge Steven before... just not on the half-sync round

Still kind of amazing that it worked this well

Kalos + Half Sync sounds like a helluva bad time

(My rain team worked, half-sync and all)

[zealous karma]

Is your steven ex?

[proud axle]

He is not, and that would definitely put him over the top to do it

[zealous karma]

oh swag

[proud axle]

Hell, nudging him up from 4star 0/20 to 5star 0/20 might be just enough

Oh, and... if this wasn't 2.5k it would have worked anyway

If this wasn't 2.5k, critless Roark might've even worked as the Striker

[grand trout]

Who did you guys did for half sync this week

[nocturne pawn]

drasna

[tired sleet]

Malva, with the lycanrocs

[grizzled ridge]

What Can I use against wik ? Seibold is left and this is R3

for hard cs

[swift swan]

what types have you used so far?

[grizzled ridge]

My only type left is fighting , I have gotten 14 from last week CS and 3 others from previous round

[swift swan]

then Bea should be fine. Bring a good tank (and someone to buff Bea quickly)

the steel zone might hurt. you can probably defog that with Darach (not to mention he can debuff attack for more survivability)

[grizzled ridge]

Oh so something like Shauna bea darach ?

I just don’t have the grid for them so let’s see how it goes

[swift swan]

ungridded should be fine for hard mode i think

[nocturne pawn]

wikstrom is mostly special tho

only physical move he has is earthquakes

[grizzled ridge]

Ya thanks that worked I was just missing some levels l

*lol

Main problem was steel zone I think

[swift swan]

which hurts a lot, I would say

[grizzled ridge]

It is finally over but now I can reset for master mode lmao

It seems I need to think of some startegy and I don’t have some gridded pairs so idk how it will go

[fluid vessel]

There was no time to waste

[noble plaza]

Why does Olivia do so little to Malva

I know it's a special weak stage but I didn't expect it to be that physically defensive

[grand trout]

sentry entry x2

[devout sluice]

Oh I didn’t notice malva had it. Must be why diamond storm wasn’t doing a lot on mid.

[swift swan]

I'm pretty sure Olivia can still bruteforce it under sand

[left storm]

Just bring a Def down Mon and she goes down like nothing

Magneton is a good f2p option for it

I did gigas magneton elio and it was a breeze

[trail smelt]

Psychic next reset?

[onyx ice]

Or just use special offtype

[rigid flint]

Or just bring Olivia and sand

[onyx ice]

Or just bring Something like Palkia and Rain

[wide adder]

Yeah

Should be

[rigid flint]

Also works

I did it with double Diancies + Paulo

[onyx ice]

Sand sucks since isn't a 1.5x multiplier compared to rain

[rigid flint]

I wanna try triple Lycanrocs one day

True but Olivia has sand multipliers

[wide adder]

Olivia has sand blaster or whatever

[onyx ice]

Yes but not much

[rigid flint]

Sand Blaster 5 and Surging Sand 3 are decent

[wide adder]

I brute forced it with my usual sand abuse team (train bros and Olivia)

[rigid flint]

It's quite a bit

[onyx ice]

But still far lower than 1.5x that a water unit gets on rain

[rigid flint]

Wha

[wide adder]

Sand blaster five is literally 1.5x

[rigid flint]

I was gonna say

[onyx ice]

Additive, rain is multiplicative

[wide adder]

inertia goes brrr anyways

[rigid flint]

Either way

Malva's Sentry Entry isn't as bad as others

[wide adder]

Either way it’s plenty for her to brute force

[rigid flint]

A ton of people brute force her

[onyx ice]

I feel like Olivia should be Ex otherwise she will get probably obliterated by sides

[wide adder]

Me who exd Olivia cause lycanroc:

[onyx ice]

I used lodge Steven, but I have SS diantha too

[trail smelt]

I just double Diancie Malva at half sync lol

[wide adder]

I am a bit tempted to do dps zapblue for the shits and giggles later this week tbh. Just to see what his damage is even like since he has some grid dmg multipliers.

It’s prob shit but it’ll prob be funny

Question is who’d be the third with him and volkner

Limited box, have almost every gen pool except for melony and the two new ones

[dark osprey]

maybe can try something with one of the lower gacha electrics so as to not take away the spotlight. maybe MC Pika, Regular surge or Sophocles

[versed meteor]

Poison stall with lodge leaf didn't call fissure

[hidden ore]

Okay, how do you remove dragon wish from ontype? Round 4 Drasna
I have 1/5 ss Mina

Also is Valerie better here

[silver dirge]

Either you set zone right after they do, or you bring a defog pair like Darach

[keen jasper]

Cheapest Defog unit is BP Falkner

[silver dirge]

Valerie works great on this stage yes, but SC lillie does not achieve anything I don't think?

[hidden ore]

I tried to make dw flinch

[silver dirge]

Ah

[hidden ore]

So I need a defog user or zone

[keen jasper]

Fairy-weak Drasna is meant to sell SS Wally because of lesser Sp. Atk. resistance debuff and lesser confusion resistance and also zone replacement

[hidden ore]

Could CCalem be good here?

[keen jasper]

Yes, especially since he can handle gauges well and the obvious dark zone placer

Terrain units are obviously useless

[hidden ore]

Thanks, will use CCalem then

[keen jasper]

And he's 3/5 so you can get his Team Safe Start node

[hidden ore]

Cleared it
Thanks for helping

Mawile is p good

[keen jasper]

BP Valerie seems better than her OG version IMO

[silver dirge]

Better than OG Mawile or OG Valerie

[sick inlet]

Definitely better than OG Valerie

[silver dirge]

100%

[sick inlet]

OG Valerie worth is tanking now.

[silver dirge]

[sick inlet]

Even that she isn't reaaaaaally good at. Good enough to make it work tho

[silver dirge]

Yeah, her BP pair is definitely much better

steel damage is nice too

[sick inlet]

I am happy with my steel options

[silver dirge]

hey extra options never hurt

[left storm]

https://streamable.com/pxsawj

[sick inlet]

Check #1011786909011423282 he has some insane Palmer showcase lol

[plush tangle]

[left storm]

Yeah I mean this is the first +14 hp Palmer clear I see going around

It even has+3 Def

[plush tangle]

I've done max hp palmer

[keen jasper]

Now try max HP, defensive and strength parameters

[plush tangle]

that's suicide lol

[zealous karma]

Average silver clear

[swift swan]

this is called poison stall

[plush tangle]

even poison stall would struggle because of max strength

[manic kiln]

Thanks to powercreep some team comp can clear with all of those parameters without stalling

[plush tangle]

Double Rat + Yellow Birb

[zealous karma]

I hate those rats

[sick inlet]

Give me a good Infernape Dena

I will go full p2w

[keen jasper]

V. Dawn and Infernape

[silver dirge]

SS Flint & Infernape

Would you want it to be fire or fighting

[sick inlet]

I don't care just make it good 🗿

[grim bison]

Will this work for CSMM tomorrow?

[fluid vessel]

Ah yes the Double Lussa

[dark osprey]

No Bianca? Could slot her in as well

[old orchid]

HWhitney is rebundant in Giovanni's team tho, can move her to Caitlin's team

[dark osprey]

If by chance you've got Bede, he's good for psychic terrain

[keen jasper]

Tomorrow or next week?

Oh NVM, it's this week

[zealous karma]

I feel like LuSSa is prolly@fine and would move lucian with Caitlin

And bring a Spatk debuffer for anomay

[silver dirge]

I just plan to offtype the whole thing

[keen jasper]

Bleh, my only limited psychic unit is Steoxys

[silver dirge]

Is it coming out next reset?

[zealous karma]

These are my teams for tomorrow

[silver dirge]

based gen pool incorporation

[zealous karma]

I like using unconventional used units

[silver dirge]

Sameee, I built a DPS SS Elesa and Lillie/Clefable

Also SC Steven enables any physical pair so stuff like Bruno on fighting weak is super fun too

[swift swan]

I will try (and maybe get miserably bullied) a full psychic run for the special CS

[swift swan]

Ayooo no way Tate!!!

[silver dirge]

well it is psychic-weak after all

[silver dirge]

my teams for psychic CS

[proud axle]

Now I'm disappointed that Team 21 doesn't have a name

Wise Guys?

[silver dirge]

Oh no 😔

[silver dirge]

I like it

[zealous karma]

Diantha is the perfect partner for him if only she gave psychcic terrain

[swift swan]

I always ontype these special CS, but for all the previous special CS weaknesses, I never strictly use only units from that type

Don't know why I want to torture myself with using all psychic units. I have exactly 15

[silver dirge]

oh no you mean like, monotype psychic

uhm, good luck to you I guess will be keeping an eye out for your clear

[swift swan]

#1011173305702690876 shameless plug

[proud axle]

Now that I look, there's a comically accessible counter to Hop's debuff bullshit

They debuff defense and speed... and Skyla has innate Haste and easily-griddable Unbending

[left storm]

Is the debuff ripple effect or AoE?

[proud axle]

Two are ripple, one is teamwide

The teamwide one is Team Def Crush. Skyla's TM gets you 4+ stacks of Def Up so you have plenty of space before it drops you into the negatives

[left storm]

Then it's fine

Or you just run a downside up Mon for comedy

[proud axle]

Hop's own debuff weakpoints are begging for Lucian shenanigans

[left storm]

Wonder if SS Steven can solo

Speed or defence ig

[proud axle]

Perhaps

[sand karma]

Worried about hop team

[left storm]

You have NC Bede

You're fine

[sand karma]

Speed📉

[left storm]

His preventive +2 and free gauge should be ez

[nocturne pawn]

nc bede is literally one of the best gauge supports

[noble plaza]

I do have sand up but Olivia doesn't like sync

[left storm]

^

Teamwide free gauge and 1 gauge spam

[noble plaza]

I have Ingo but idk if I should save him for Diantha

[left storm]

Used skyla already?

[noble plaza]

Oh no I didn't!

[left storm]

What's your best option for ground?

[swift swan]

Doesn't like sync?

[left storm]

I think they mean she dies

[noble plaza]

Yeah

[left storm]

To ai sync

[swift swan]

Well yeah, ideally you presync

[noble plaza]

Albeit I did just beat R1 vs Siebold last night and I...don't remember what I was having trouble with after that

[swift swan]

Malva may have SEx2 but her Hp isn't inflated

[left storm]

+6 Def ex Olivia should tank if you don't overdo on STR

[swift swan]

It shouldn't be too bad with sand + max inertia + supp EX

[silver dirge]

what's the comp? I can try record a quick run

[left storm]

Slyla Olivia acerola should clear with average flinch RNG

[noble plaza]

Oh right I think I wasn't able to kill presync

[swift swan]

What params are you running

[noble plaza]

I've been trying with Bertha and Olivia, and I've tried different third members. I know that I tried Kukui for a bit

On type presync

[swift swan]

Since malva already has SEx2 i wouldn't add too much strength to her bulk

[left storm]

Kukui is great with those two

[swift swan]

Use the "more damage" one instead of "more HP"

[noble plaza]

Oh I also tried Hilbert

[swift swan]

Olivia takes too long to max inertia then

Hilbert + acerola + olivia should be solid

[noble plaza]

Yeahhh I think that's the issue

[left storm]

Chips mid and gives you staggering flinches

[noble plaza]

Lemme check my params

[proud axle]

If Hop uses Low Sweep once, that +2 is +0. If he uses it twice, your gauges are just gone because his round is debuff amp.

Hop can be thwarted by Skyla (Haste and easily-griddable Unbending) and/or Lucian (continual speed buffs, and his Growl targets Hop's "debuff weakpoints," Atk and SpDef)

[left storm]

I still think you just kill stage before that becomes an issue

Articuno sync > Bede max should kill stage without trouble

[proud axle]

Maybe. Close Combat hitting while Articuno has negative Def, though...

[silver dirge]

https://discordapp.com/channels/583120259708616715/1153583498687414283/1153744819366150175 @noble plaza I posted an Olivia clear here with Sonia and Bertha. hilbert will work too

[left storm]

Idk, articuno can tank STR+11 gyro balls on turn one

[noble plaza]

I already used sonia for siebold but ill try with Hilbert after schools

[mellow linden]

Only if you want to get Surging Sand on Stone Edge

[left storm]

I doubt it would get killed hard by cc

[mellow linden]

If not can just get Stone Edge Amped Up

[silver dirge]

I took more strength over Atk, so you can swap out for some more atk and you'll be able to clear it faster (but may have to reset for some RNG if they hit too hard)

[left storm]

I never run atk

It's a scam stat

For 2.5-3k

Not worth the points

[silver dirge]

I don't like running atk either

[swift swan]

I always run attack

[silver dirge]

[left storm]

With articuno you're not running out of offensive params anyway

Since it doesn't die and feeds stacks

[proud axle]

...Huh?

[silver dirge]

shameless plug but if you'd like to see SS Elesa output some great damage please have a look at #1153583498687414283

[noble plaza]

Also, I tried doing R2 Drasna last night and I can't seem to presync her either. She hits surprisingly hard. I tried with Sycamore, Bede, and Darach. Then I swapped Sycamore for Blastoise. I even tried swapping Darach with Irida and it didn't help

[nocturne pawn]

if you’re having problems with olivia’s set up grid amped up 2 on stone edge

[silver dirge]

BP Valerie and Mina are good f2p choices

Nov has a Mina clear somewhere

[swift swan]

#1011173305702690876 message would you be interested in Mina propaganda

[noble plaza]

👀

[swift swan]

EX-less should still work I'm sure

[nocturne pawn]

bp valerie should work tbh

her attack is very high for being a free unit

[noble plaza]

I do have Bp valerie but she isn't invested

[swift swan]

Yeah, you should also give bp valerie a whirl

[nocturne pawn]

even at 4* 0/20 she hits hard

furious brawn + seun goes hard

[silver dirge]

Yeah the free SEUN just existing is pretty crazy

[noble plaza]

[cinder summit]

Valerie & Mawile

<:GRID_SYNC:967786997982830712> __Sync Tiles:__

(3) So Enchanting Fairy Impact: Power +25
(3) So Enchanting Fairy Impact: Power +25
(3) So Enchanting Fairy Impact: Power +25
(3) So Enchanting Fairy Impact: Power +25

<:GRID_MOVE:967786997265629195> __Move Tiles:__

(2) Iron Head: Move Gauge Refresh 3 - Has a chance (40%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.
(2) Might You Forgive Me?: MP Refresh 2 - Has a chance (30%) of restoring one MP of the user's move when that move is successful.
(2) Play Rough: Move Gauge Refresh 3 - Has a chance (40%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.
(2) Play Rough: On a Roll 3 - Raises the chance of lowering stat values with the additional effects of moves.
(2) Swords Dance: Move Gauge Refresh 3 - Has a chance (40%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.

‎

(3) Iron Head: Aggravation 1 - Raises the chance of inflicting the flinching, confused, or trapped condition with the additional effects of moves.
(3) Swords Dance: Move Gauge Refresh 9 - Charges the user's move gauge by one when its move is successful.

<:GRID_PASSIVE:967786997215264808> __Passive Tiles:__

(1) Sand Shelter - Protects the user from damage from a sandstorm.

‎

(2) Brawn Sync 3 - Powers up the user's sync move when its Attack is raised.
(2) Terrify 1 - Lowers the Attack of all opposing sync pairs by 1 stat rank when the user enters a battle.

‎

(3) Double Down 5 - Powers up the user's sync moves that are super effective.
(3) Fierce Entry 2 - Raises the user's Attack by 2 stat ranks when it enters a battle.
(3) Furious Brawn - The more the user's Attack is raised, the more it powers up the user's moves.
(3) Super Freebie 2 - Has a chance (30%) of applying the Free Move Next effect to the user when its move is super effective.

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[nocturne pawn]

oh and she cant get memed by random crits

thats really convenient actually

[swift swan]

Even threw in Vigilance there because why the heck not, right devs?

[silver dirge]

Drasna also likes to breaking swipe and she's immune to that too (atk debuffs)

[silver dirge]

I love when a BP/Lodge unit is done well like this

[swift swan]

Redemption arc

[nocturne pawn]

valerie went from worst damage dealer to genuinely being great

[dark osprey]

Thing is that Bede's innate and another 50% nuke is based on the foe being confused

At base the only reliable way to get them confused is by the max move

That's why suggested lodge Acerola

[nocturne pawn]

you have bp morty

acerola doesn’t help him iirc

[cinder summit]

Acerola & Banette

<:CATEGORY_STATUS:967450751955771402> <:TYPE_GHOST:967452395850309692> Confuse Ray

Gauge: 2 | Power: - | Accuracy: 100 | Uses: -
Target: An opponent
Effect Tag: -
Leaves the target confused.

<:CATEGORY_STATUS:967450751955771402> X Attack All

Gauge: - | Power: - | Accuracy: - | Uses: 2
Target: All allies
Effect Tag: -
Raises the Attack of all allied sync pairs by 2 stat ranks.

<:CATEGORY_PHYSICAL:967450751980949625> <:TYPE_GHOST:967452395850309692> Phantom Force

Gauge: - | Power: 160 | Accuracy: 100 | Uses: 3
Target: An opponent
Effect Tag: Quick Move, Phantom Presence
The user takes on a phantom presence. After a set time, this presence fades and the user attacks. No other actions can be taken while in phantom presence. Opponents' moves will not hit the user while it is in this presence. If the user is hit by a sync move or max move while in phantom presence, the presence will fade.

<:CATEGORY_STATUS:967450751955771402> Gonna Win!

Gauge: - | Power: - | Accuracy: - | Uses: 1
Target: All allies
Effect Tag: -
Raises the user's evasiveness by 4 stat ranks. Raises the critical-hit rate of all allied sync pairs by 2 stat ranks. Applies the Gradual Healing effect to the user.

<:CATEGORY_PHYSICAL:967450751980949625> <:TYPE_GHOST:967452395850309692> <:CONDITION_SYNC:967453032939925614> Say Cheese Ghost Impact

Power: 250
Target: An opponent
Effect Tag: -
No additional effect.

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Bede & Hatterene

<:GRID_SYNC:967786997982830712> __Sync Tiles:__

(3) Most Elite Fairy Beam: Power +25
(3) Most Elite Fairy Beam: Power +25

<:GRID_MOVE:967786997265629195> __Move Tiles:__

(1) Dazzling Gleam: Move Gauge Refresh 3 - Has a chance (40%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.
(1) Mystical Fire: Move Gauge Refresh 3 - Has a chance (40%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.
(1) Psybeam: Move Gauge Refresh 3 - Has a chance (40%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.

‎

(2) Back to You!: Group Therapy - Removes all status conditions from all allied sync pairs when a move is successful.
(2) Back to You!: MP Refresh 3 - Has a chance (40%) of restoring one MP of the user's move when that move is successful.

‎

(3) Back to You!: Ramp Up 1 - Raises the user's Sp. Atk by 1 stat rank when its move is successful.
(3) G-Max Smite: Power +100 - Power ↑ +100
(3) Max Flare: Power +100 - Power ↑ +100
(3) Max Mindstorm: Power +100 - Power ↑ +100

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(5) G-Max Smite: Power +100 - Power ↑ +100

<:GRID_PASSIVE:967786997215264808> __Passive Tiles:__

(1) Clearheaded - Prevents the user from becoming confused.

‎

(2) Gobsmack 4 - Has a chance (50%) of leaving the target confused when the user's attack move against it is successful.
(2) Healing Sun 1 - Restores the user's HP whenever its Pokémon takes an action while the weather is sunny.
(2) Maximum Super Powered 1 - Powers up the user's moves that are super effective. Powers up the user's sync move that is super effective. Powers up the user's max moves that are super effective.
(2) Precognition 2 - Quickly charges the user's move gauge when the terrain is Psychic Terrain.
(2) Speeding Sun 2 - Quickly charges the move gauge when the weather is sunny.
(2) Superduper Effective 2 - Powers up moves that are super effective.
(2) Unbending - Defense cannot be lowered.
(2) Weird Recovery 1 - Restores the user's HP whenever its Pokémon takes an action when the terrain is Psychic Terrain.

‎

(3) Confusion Synergy 9 - Powers up the user's moves when the target is confused.
(3) Fuzzy Strike 5 - Powers up the user's sync move when the target is confused.
(3) Hard Knocks 9 - Lowers one of the target's following stats by 1 stat rank at random when a move, sync move, or max move used by the user's Pokémon targeting that opponent is successful: Attack, Defense, Sp. Atk, Sp. Def, Speed, accuracy, or evasiveness.
(3) Stupefier 4 - Has a chance (50%) of lowering the target's Sp. Def by 1 stat rank when a move, sync move, or max move used by the user's Pokémon targeting that opponent is successful.

‎

(4) MAX Countdown 2 - Reduces the user's sync move countdown by 2 after using its max move.
(4) Recuperation 2 - Restores the user's HP by approximately 40% of its maximum HP after using its sync move.

‎

(5) MAX Damage Guard - Applies the Damage Guard Next effect to the user after using its max move. (If hit by an attack while this effect is applied, the attack will inflict no damage on the user, while the damage of some attacks such as sync moves will be halved. The effect is removed after it is activated.)

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[dark osprey]

She confuses and gives the remaining crit for sycamore plus a bit of defense if gridded

[nocturne pawn]

wait sycamore?

[left storm]

🤝

[nocturne pawn]

mid

[left storm]

I rarely had trouble with him on 2.5k stages, 3k can be iffy Vs stuff like wikstrom who can kill you before you sync if you run half hp

[left storm]

Me when I saw BP Sophocles last year

[silver dirge]

He's great too, still suffers from recoil tho

[keen jasper]

Waiting for BP Falkner clear

[keen jasper]

His recoil is barely noticable

[left storm]

^

[silver dirge]

Nah not if you're on Max HP, -2 rebuff and terrain. It becomes noticeable after the first support ex buff

[nocturne pawn]

standfast 9 + 3 is a lot

[left storm]

Self regen and +4 atk TM and possibility of pmun make me cry a bit because of my year 2 fav BP being so shit in comparison (Karen)

[silver dirge]

Yeah I know, in 99% of cases he's just fine

I just like pushing to extremes so I found the recoil starts getting a bit much. Whereas for like Elesa with full steadfast nodes it's great

[keen jasper]

Steadfast 9 and 3 is 1.4% recoil damage for Soph

[silver dirge]

I'll see if I can find my rec

[left storm]

He's so much better off than any other recoil user imo you're not even supposed to target mid like that, you should rather turn denial ybh

Roark and Karen can do insane damage but

They really feel the recoil

He needs insane stacking to suicide like this

[silver dirge]

Ah yeah Roark could do with some steadfast

[keen jasper]

So 10,000 * 0.014= 140 damage

[silver dirge]

140 on 1%

Edited for correction

[left storm]

Even if you do 40k with Soph he "only" takes sub 600

[silver dirge]

No you're right

My bad

Huh maybe I wasn't running the right grid

[left storm]

Meanwhile roark takes 900 with 25-30k

[silver dirge]

Lemi go check

[keen jasper]

Like I said, Steadfast 9 and 3 is 1.4% recoil

[silver dirge]

One of the steadfasts is a passive right?

[keen jasper]

Yes

And Soph has gradual healing on his TM so that negates some of the extremely negligible recoil damage

[silver dirge]

yeah the math should check out gonna try my run from before

[dark osprey]

May try to do something like this. Honestly lodge Acerola confusing is not needed

[silver dirge]

This isn't even max attack 😭

Again I know this is not how I should be running him, just an observation from some of my experiments. Great unit nonetheless

[keen jasper]

Why didn't you use Blue's B Move?

[silver dirge]

I thought he'd survive one more Wild Charge

[keen jasper]

He was going to die to Surf anyways

And he took to much damage from the initial Wild Charge and the AoEs

[silver dirge]

oh yeah I know I was just showcasing the recoil here, not trying to clear it. I think if I try hard enough and cycle Blue's B-move it should work

can probably take off the healing down too

[zealous karma]

Oo that reminds me PSerena is one of the few nukes I’ve hit the damage cap with time to try it

[left storm]

That's a lot of hp parameters

[keen jasper]

Just wondering, but have you ever hit the new damage cap?

[left storm]

19k doing 1/6-8th of hp

[keen jasper]

#1009554906568462476 message

[left storm]

Sure

[silver dirge]

Yeap. Pre-sync normal params are all good

[left storm]

But giving high hp is asking for recoil units to suicide

[keen jasper]

Even with extremely high Steadfast?

[silver dirge]

Of course, but the comparison I wanted to make was with someone like Elesa. She performs really well even at max HP

[left storm]

Yes

[silver dirge]

If you pick up all of the steadfast

[left storm]

Even zebstrika struggles on+8-10 hp

If you have some str

[keen jasper]

Elesa takes 0.5% recoil damage

[left storm]

I never use her for 3k

[keen jasper]

With full Steadfast nodes

[silver dirge]

Elesa also has first aid 4, that's a big help

[left storm]

Well yeah but full steadfast isn't practical

[keen jasper]

So she deals 100,000 damage on Wild Charge and she takes 500 damage only

[silver dirge]

If you're not worried about the nuke then it's a pretty good dps build

[zealous karma]

No never my highest damage was with Calem lel

[keen jasper]

How much?

[keen jasper]

You haven't tried to get higher by using your latest units?

[silver dirge]

Here's Elesa in comparison btw. Of course I actually tried to clear this one + blue's B-move, but Elesa didn't proc her own first aid 4 yet (It's sending )

[zealous karma]

Nope

[keen jasper]

#1009554906568462476 message

[silver dirge]

Yeah, her full dps build is pretty sweet

[zealous karma]

None of my recent techs are super big nukers

[silver dirge]

You got SC steven by any chance? can get beeg numbers on SS Diantha

[zealous karma]

No

[keen jasper]

SS Diantha

[mellow linden]

Since when are SS Silver and Oleana not “super big nukers”?

[keen jasper]

Move levels

[zealous karma]

When They’re not at 1/5

[mellow linden]

Fair enough, I guess

[proud axle]

...Are we counting Lucian as a recent tech

[keen jasper]

He was last year right?

[zealous karma]

I got him this year

[keen jasper]

You mean like me with Hilbert?

[proud axle]

Yeah, that's the question here... recently released or recently acquired

Because Lucian might have the biggest psychic nuke in the game?

[zealous karma]

Yes

I think anomay has the best psychic nuke

At 3/5

[keen jasper]

SS Steven has the best nuke when it comes to finishing the enemies quickly

[proud axle]

Wasn't there a document that tracked top nuke and top DPS potential by type? I wanna see

[keen jasper]

Well, it's based on the unit's nuke alone, not the entire team's contributions to the multipliers

[proud axle]

Acknowledged, but still curious now

[silver dirge]

yes lemi see if I can find it I always mix up the channels

[left storm]

Celesa nuke is pretty nutty too tbh

[silver dirge]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JCa0gwUy0iYdOSKR_UuileID_J6xQytZl4c2teTwxhU/edit#gid=291289778 I would like to think it is this one? And then Damage p/Type section

[keen jasper]

Thanks to her expanded grid

347053, 350909, 354765, 358621, 362477, 366334, 370190, 374046, 377902, 381758, 385614

That's actually pretty crazy

[proud axle]

Thank you, so A.May does beat Lucian (since Lucian probably does not have Psy Terrain for himself)

[zealous karma]

In the calc he prollly does

It’s best conditioms even if they’re unrealistic

[proud axle]

I tried getting a screenshot but it blacked itself out

[left storm]

Could've been more with her defence drops

[zealous karma]

It’s kinda awkward to setup

[proud axle]

When I put both Lucian and A.May into the PoMaTools teambuilder and give them identical conditions optimal to both, Lucian wins.

I wonder if I'm missing something

Oh, I misclicked and didn't give A.May Smarty-pants

Lemme run that again

[keen jasper]

Anni May definitely wins

[proud axle]

...Lucian actually still wins, just by an extremely narrow margin. I might still be missing something

[keen jasper]

Well, I did use different comps for both of them

[proud axle]

Lucian gets 10,366,912 raw here, whereas A.May gets 10,254,366

This is on first sync

If A.May syncs twice, the mega evo will probably give her the edge

[left storm]

Maybe because Lucian gets SEUP on entry

Idk if that's considered

[proud axle]

...He does? Let me give that to him now. He could plausibly still have it at sync (whereas May probably won't because she has to use Mist Ball for debuffing)

[keen jasper]

Lucian (with Bianca and C. Blue): 240494, 243166, 245839, 248511, 251183, 253855, 256527, 259199, 261871, 264544, 267216

Anni May (with SS Brendan and SC Steven): 291403, 294640, 297878, 301116, 304354, 307592, 310829, 314067, 317305, 320543, 323781

[left storm]

I'm pretty sure he has supreme entry or smth

[keen jasper]

He does

[left storm]

It's a great tile as it lets him turn denial reliably sides on camm

With first sync

[proud axle]

Healthy Superhit in grid. Trading away two SyncBP nodes for that, gives him a considerable advantage over May (13,890,528 raw)

[keen jasper]

Hmmmm, mine says Anni May is the clear winner

But without the -1 psychic rebuff, Lucian wins

[proud axle]

The conditions I input were +6 SpA, -6 debuffs to Atk/SpAtk/SpDef, enemy weak to psychic, Psy terrain active (including for Lucian), Lucian has SEUN and A.May doesn't

Oh, A.May has a rebuff nowadays? Lemme look over her grid again

[keen jasper]

No she doesn't

My team for her has SC Steven

[proud axle]

Oh. I'm guessing he doesn't work for Lucian so well because the third member would be a little high and dry or something?

[keen jasper]

3rd unit is PT unit

[proud axle]

Not Anni May herself?

[keen jasper]

Bianca has more theme skills

[proud axle]

I might try adjusting that next (and adding an improvement to Lucian's grid I just thought of) as soon as the person standing behind me leaves ny workstation...

I think it might be Steven's SEUN on A.May allowing her to win, as the new grid gives Lucian more damage with +/-0 Rebuff than A.May has with -1 Rebuff

"Give SEUN to someone else" is... a really rare effect, though...

New Grid Lucian with SEUN and no Rebuff: 14,645,448 raw
A.May with -1 Rebuff but no SEUN: 13,330,675 raw
Take away SCSteven completely, and A.May falls behind more decisively

(I don't have SC Steven and I wonder if it's fair to count him for one of the two but not the other)

I guess Lucian wouldn't benefit from him very much anyway since so much of the difference is SEUN and he already has that

[nocturne pawn]

iirc he has supreme entry anyway

or was it burst in

[proud axle]

Grids for Healthy Superhit

Had to give up a syncBP node for it

That's why SCSteven isn't as useful to him

A.May can grid for Supreme Entry but she needs to use Mist Ball to get her multipliers-- so the SEUN is long gone by the time she syncs

Lucian gets his multis from Growl, so that preserves SEUN until it's time to pull the trigger

[versed meteor]

Wait tf is going on here

[sick inlet]

Am I gonna do full on psychic

Is it okay to solo with Steven if we have half sync condition 🗿

[trail smelt]

Woo ready for the reset

I think

Not sure if I can make it better with my roster

[manic kiln]

Should be fine, monotype is fun

[cinder summit]

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Player & Exeggutor ( Tech)
Player & Slowbro ( Special Striker)
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[grizzled ridge]

Can this same team work for master mode ?

[grand trout]

Do you guys think ||tate|| can do psychic cs

[mellow linden]

Not quite, you’ll have to make adjustments on most of them

Tbh you’ll wanna adjust all of them

[zealous karma]

If you bring someone like shauna for attack trap (interference 9) and someone like SSDiantha for Spd debuffs and defense debuffs I think he’ll work very well as a meme choice

[grand trout]

Why attack trap?

[zealous karma]

He has foul fighting 9

[grand trout]

Ohhh

What if i bring, say, nc bede and scteven?

[zealous karma]

Oh that works better lel

[tired sleet]

What move level is cbede? At 2/5 he would also activate foul fighting

[zealous karma]

does Rebuff not activate foul fighting I know it disabloes acute sense

[cinder summit]

Foul Fighting 9

Powers up the user's moves against targets that are flinching, confused, or trapped.

Sync Pairs with Passive:

Tate & Solrock
Lucian & Girafarig

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[tired sleet]

No
Acute Senses applies to all status changes, not just interference

[zealous karma]

o

I feel like those with scSteven wanting to try something new will be pleasantly surprised

[proud axle]

...pleasantly?

[paper summit]

I think you understood that wrong

Rebuff does not activate Foul Fighting despite disabling Acute Senses, those are 2 different things

[zealous karma]

Did I say it wrong , his damage and sync are pretty good on type despite it being just zen headbutt his issue was always actually setting it up he has a really high attack stat and if youhave a support that can activate foul fighting it’s even more ideal

[cinder summit]

Foul Fighting 9

Powers up the user's moves against targets that are flinching, confused, or trapped.

Sync Pairs with Passive:

Tate & Solrock
Lucian & Girafarig

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[paper summit]

can't be more specific than that

you can fish for confusion with Tackle but it's a 50% and Steven is busy doing other things most of the time to actually use that move

[zealous karma]

No I understood after Winston’s message but like what Winston said if Bede has aggravation it’s so easy to set him up

[paper summit]

oh, Bede, nvm then, thought this was still about Steven

let's be real, most people won't use Tate

at that point just off type the damn stage instead

[zealous karma]

I know most people will brush him off but he’s a fun unit with high damage

my beloved (this is just rebuff, -3 def and -6 spd)

Messing around with not "meta" or lower rarity pairs adds flavor to the game for me after coming from a gacha where 3-4 are so terrible and awful unlike in this game

Like of course its just worse than ash or zerena or sshilda but its fun so I will never complain

[grand trout]

I will for the lolz

[zealous karma]

If you send damage screenshots I’d love to see them I’ve used tate in the past and it was hard to set him up but it was fun

[grand trout]

I'll prolly use it on kahili

[zealous karma]

try it on flint kahili is easy!

Jk you can do whatever lel

Or if you want full meme check who has the lowest def debuff resistance

[grand trout]

Kahili has lowered resistance to flinch iirc

[zealous karma]

Oh flint does actually have the lowest def mitigation lel

[trail smelt]

I’m stuck with Tate for one team haha

[nocturne pawn]

i should be fine

wish i got olympia so i wouldnt have to use oak but beggars cant be choosers

[grizzled ridge]

only psychic mons are allowed?

[nocturne pawn]

no

but i want to do 5 psychic dps

instead of lik

3 and off type 2

[zealous karma]

Will + bianca and Oak + lucian is what I’m planning

And then you have 3 extra DPS with Caitlin Gio Steven

[nocturne pawn]

oh wait i forgot i have will

[zealous karma]

His sync is pretty good iirc

[nocturne pawn]

just a silly little goofball

[nocturne pawn]

yeah but

flinch

dies of cringe

[zealous karma]

It’s not flinch

[cinder summit]

Will & Xatu

<:GRID_SYNC:967786997982830712> __Sync Tiles:__

(3) Mystery Masquerade Psychic: Power +25
(3) Mystery Masquerade Psychic: Power +25

<:GRID_MOVE:967786997265629195> __Move Tiles:__

(2) Air Slash: Move Gauge Refresh 3 - Has a chance (40%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.
(2) Our Power Is Limitless!: MP Refresh 2 - Has a chance (30%) of restoring one MP of the user's move when that move is successful.
(2) Stored Power: Move Gauge Refresh 3 - Has a chance (40%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.

‎

(3) Air Slash: Aggravation 1 - Raises the chance of inflicting the flinching, confused, or trapped condition with the additional effects of moves.
(3) Confuse Ray: Move Gauge Refresh 9 - Charges the user's move gauge by one when its move is successful.
(3) Stored Power: Confusion Synergy 2 - Powers up the user's moves when the target is confused.

<:GRID_PASSIVE:967786997215264808> __Passive Tiles:__

(1) Unflappable - Prevents the user from flinching.
(1) Wide Awake - Prevents the user from falling asleep.

‎

(2) Precognition 2 - Quickly charges the user's move gauge when the terrain is Psychic Terrain.
(2) Sync Regen - Applies the Gradual Healing effect to the user after using its sync move.
(2) Weird Recovery 1 - Restores the user's HP whenever its Pokémon takes an action when the terrain is Psychic Terrain.

‎

(3) Fortuitous 4 - Has a chance (50%) of raising one of the user's following stats by one stat rank at random when its attack move is successful: Attack, Defense, Sp. Atk, Sp. Def, Speed, accuracy, or evasiveness.
(3) Interference Sync 5 - Powers up the user's sync move against targets that are flinching, confused, or trapped.
(3) Mutually Assured - Whenever an opponent leaves the user poisoned, badly poisoned, paralyzed, or burned, the same status condition is also applied to that opponent.
(3) Stop Hitting Yourself 5 - Raises the chance that an opponent will attack themselves due to being confused.
(3) Sync Power Flux - The fuller the move gauge when the user's sync move is selected, the more this powers up the sync move.

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[zealous karma]

It’s confusion and interference

[nocturne pawn]

hmm actually yeah you right

[zealous karma]

Dena cooked with his grid luckily

He’s under the radar cause psychic lel

[nocturne pawn]

nah hes def underrated

kit is actually really good

minus the whole stat copying tm

thats a bit meh

innate impervious and easy 5/5 for max stored power is good though

strong nuke and even 60% flinch with decent speed

never mind very good speed

[zealous karma]

You can take the 3 stats up and 3 stats down Param with him hype!

[grizzled ridge]

any suggestions? I am thinking to replace like salazzle and flygon with A marowak and palossand, drasna I dont have any decent fairy types but i can buy valerie in BP shop if it is worth it,for round 3 idk If i can do better apart from levelling them up , r4 probably I can add a potion user like yamper , naomi not good enough for diantha ?

[nocturne pawn]

oh wait thats actually true lmao

then he just needs a crit buffer

[zealous karma]

And since bianca also has impervious it’s a nice thing

But just have to make sure your tank can well handle that

Like NCbede I think has impervious and good defenses

[nocturne pawn]

so would brendan work

cuz all the psychic weaks besides koga are special iiec

[mellow linden]

A. Raihan is fine for a weather replacer as long as you have a good Support on the team.

You can give Mina a shot against Drasna, but if you're off-typing with Giovanni you'd need Bianca or another Psychic Terrain setter.

Depending on Bea's Move Level and who else you have in terms of Attack + crit Supports you might be able to improve her team, though this is definitely the team least in need of adjustment.

Aaron doesn't do much for NC Red, so definitely replace him (a Sp. Def. buffer would be ideal, or a Hail setter if NC Red is 3/5 and gridded for it).

Naomi should work fine for Diantha, but she needs Sandstorm. You could either bring A. Raihan over or use Acerola instead, and make sure you have a good Sp. Atk. + crit Support (I'd recommend bringing NC Blue over since Giovanni can handle his own crit buffs just fine)

[zealous karma]

If you’re not worried about spreading your supports thin yes

[valid ivy]

heres my roster, any ideas for teams + parameters

[nocturne pawn]

yeah im not that worried

caitlin is self sufficient and giovanni can just use sabrina

[grizzled ridge]

Thanks I will try this out although I don’t have much hope for Mina I will probably put points as 800 I think since I am not sure I am go 2500 for all . Sadly I have nothing with psychic terrain but I can buy Valeria and Mawile to increase my chance .

For crit attack supports I do have hop ,Faulkner,Persian apart from mentioned .

Aaron I am just using as buffer for def and spDef and something to soak hits but I will look into my options.

[valid ivy]

how do u use celesa for the electric weak stage

[old orchid]

just use Nuzzle first turn, then spam Thunder Shock. Use max move to setup terrain to boost attacks when necessary. thats how you should use her generally

[mellow linden]

You can also save her Trainer Move for after your 1st Sync to eliminate the need for quadqueue, or to offset her Max Move

[valid ivy]

who do i use her with

[old orchid]

please tell me what does she do

[valid ivy]

nuke and electric terrain?

i dont have good electric damage dealers

[old orchid]

you are still missing her main gimmick