Champion Stadium

[verbal karma]

Yes

R1 Phoebe

I am using SSR Cynthia/Fallcerola/Leaf as my team

[last palm]

Sound good tho

[verbal karma]

Fallcerola and Leaf are EX'd, but SSR Cynthia isn't

[last palm]

Not much problem tho

Ssr cynthia move is as strong as other sync

I have 1/5 too she work great this cs tho

[verbal karma]

Alright! I knew I could do it with this team!

I just needed the right params

Okay, so...Round 2...Glacia for burning or Drake for freezing?

Hmm...damn...from the looks of it, who I'll pick for Round 3 actually directly depends on who I pick for Round 2

If I pick Drake for R2, I could pick Glacia for R3...but if I pick Glacia for R2, I'd need to figure out if Sidney or Drake is the better option for R3...

Hmm...for R3 Sidney, I could choose between Guzma, Noland and Bugsy...but for R3 Drake, I'd be hardlocked to Iris...

[hidden ore]

What do you choose for r1?

Thinking of Phoebe here

[verbal karma]

I chose Phoebe for R1 as well tbh

[versed meteor]

The perfect plan almost ruined by sinnoh stupid bulky csmm

[unreal radish]

Which order is better to pick this week?

And what parameters are better to choose for max score easily?

🤔

[versed meteor]

Used ex guzma, ex lillie, cserena debuffed opponents to -6 defence got in support sync then guzma sync still only did around 14k

Why would at -6 critastophy that makes palkia so damn good doesn't even help guzma

Buff the dude already dena

[old orchid]

just avoid Drake and Sidney on R3
use the remaining parameters wisely so that they benefit your teams

[hushed sorrel]

Is it necessary to de zone Sidney

[old orchid]

if you cant kill him pre sync, yes

[verbal karma]

Oh jeez...guess R2 Drake is a requirement then?

[old orchid]

no?

you dont need to freeze him

[verbal karma]

...you don't?

[old orchid]

that parameter doesnt have too much benefit unless you do poison stall

[verbal karma]

...you sure you're not mixing up weeks? Because this definitely looks like Drake wants to be frozen

[old orchid]

not at all

[rigid flint]

True, but you can just defeat him without being frozen

[old orchid]

he just has lower freeze resistance

which doesnt matter in most cases

[rigid flint]

Plus, no physical ice unit has freeze multipliers iirc

[verbal karma]

I mean...considering I should avoid Drake AND Sidney for R3 and R1 is great for Phoebe, that does leave me with just R2 left at this point

[old orchid]

there is HLeon

well do it then, but you dont need to freeze

no need to unnecessarily strict your team building

[verbal karma]

Don't worry, I have a failproof plan for a R2 Drake...I think...

[vestal onyx]

what's the gimmick with fire weak stage? i changed weather and i'm stilll geting oneshot

[old orchid]

hail and aoe moves spam

are you using pre sync params?

[steel kelp]

Who said you can’t do drake r3

[rigid flint]

I'm doing drake r3

[vestal onyx]

post sync params rip

wiith ss lys and may

[old orchid]

who is the support?

and are you doing offtype or ontype with Heat Wave?

[vestal onyx]

i'm runnning it with ss blue ,currently offtyping

but would try on type

and sorry for the ping HAHA

[verbal karma]

Alright, my plan worked!!!

[old orchid]

I would use a faster spdef buffer instead of SS Blue. And you should focus on full offtype

[vestal onyx]

would elio fit the bill? or do i go aaron?

[verbal karma]

Alright, with only R4 Sidney left, who to pick as the attacker?

[old orchid]

Thats quite tricky. Do you have BP Morty available?

[vestal onyx]

oof, bp morty already on another team

[vestal onyx]

Filtered for so def up suporters

[verbal karma]

...man, I wish I had a better selection of bug attackers 😦

because the one I have right now...kinda blows, ngl

[old orchid]

Maybe switch to ontype build with SS Morty support then. The third one can be Silver/Hooh

[upbeat dragon]

I cant seem to clear 2.5k cs anymore

Every aoe attack kills my units in 1 shot

My fire team is ss may, gordie and ss morty

Ss may and gordie keep getting one shot by turn 1 or turn 2 blizzard

[old orchid]

What params are you using?

Remove some attack and strength params if the enemies hit too hard

[upbeat dragon]

Pre sync 2.5k same thing

Post sync also i get ohkod

[verbal karma]

...ah, shoot, I need to somehow deal with Syndey's Dark Zone as well, I completely forgot 😦

...and I already used SSA Cynthia elsewhere, too

[unreal radish]

Normally what parameters are used to max score easily or it's mostly depends on who you will be facing?

[versed meteor]

I hate this particular Drake 🤬

No perm weather so my team i used to use doesn't work

Dena again fuck you

[verbal karma]

I just picked a Ghetsis/Irida combo for R2 Drake

You can prolly use Candice as an Irida replacement

[steel kelp]

Even if it’s not hail as long as he doesn’t have sand

[verbal karma]

True

[versed meteor]

Lol imagine having irida

[steel kelp]

Type medal Carrie’s over

It’s impossible to do all in one week

[halcyon sail]

Still best to unlock master mode as soon as you can

[steel kelp]

Just to clarify you have to do it for every region

[versed meteor]

Kalos next

[steel kelp]

All types to unlock master mode for that region yes

[swift swan]

You probably picked tech units get x3 damage param by accident

[vestal onyx]

Thanks for the help gakon

[verbal karma]

Damn...guess nobody can help me with my R4 Sidney problems, huh?

[keen jasper]

Well, you can probably do dual damage dealer against Sidney

[keen jasper]

Do you have Hop?

[verbal karma]

Wait, who'd be my two damage dealers?

[keen jasper]

I know Noland for Fury Cutter DPS

And I guess Bugsy for sync nuking

[hushed sorrel]

Hmm can’t beat drake with my 1/5 ss silver and irida. Does to the sides

[keen jasper]

Silver should do enough against Drake even at 1/5

[hushed sorrel]

It does and kill it pre sync but I’m dying to sides

[keen jasper]

Why not weaken the sides before killing Drake?

[hushed sorrel]

But then I’ll eat the sync

I’ll try kill sides first not sure if it will work

[swift swan]

Irida should deal with the sides well enough with icy wind though

[hushed sorrel]

But it’s special dmg

And you can’t have both param

[swift swan]

Hm? Just remove the damage reductions altogether then

[hushed sorrel]

Wait I’m doing it on r3

[swift swan]

Since you're running a mixed team

[hushed sorrel]

I’m doing r3 hilbert ss silver irida

[swift swan]

Well R3 powers up physical moves but that doesn't render special moves bad

Ss silver handles mid, irida handles the sides

[hushed sorrel]

I know but irida is not doing much damage lol I’m telling you

[swift swan]

Remove the phys/spec dmg reduction parameter altogether. It's only 100 pts anyway

[verbal karma]

Hmm...Bugsy/Aaron/Noland then?

[swift swan]

You can give that a try

Though 1/5 Alder should work just fine with support EX

[lunar meadow]

DeNA giving us a grass weak fight with permanent environment effects 🤣

[swift swan]

Asking us to humiliate Steven like that, smh dena

[lunar meadow]

Honestly the champion is always the weakest. Having 2 fight parameters we can abuse

[swift swan]

I recall one of Diantha's fights being troublesome but I forgot which

[main crow]

haha ss lyra go bbbbbbrrrrrrrrr

[lunar meadow]

You mean Tapu Bulu 🤣

But also, Celebi/Leafeon/Adaleaf/Meganium/Etc

[swift swan]

Adaleaf, that's the first time i've heard it

[lunar meadow]

Probably poison weak, if you didn't have Emmabat.

But any status effect would weaken her.

[lunar meadow]

Well he's got Vaporeon and Leafeon. And we have multiple Leafeons

[verbal karma]

...oh no...Bugsy's sync can't even remove half of Sidney's HP...

Not to mention I also have to deal with Noland's Fury Cutter missing...

[keen jasper]

Build Noland for Fury Cutter DPS and Bugsy for sync nuke

[verbal karma]

In that case, Alder, Aaron and...who?

[keen jasper]

Burgh

[verbal karma]

I already built the latter, but it seems like I forgot to build the former...whoops

[keen jasper]

Did you even get the +5 accuracy node on Noland's Fury Cutter?

[verbal karma]

I had Noland completely unbuilt by accident

But now he has a grid...WITH the +5 accuracy node

[keen jasper]

So now go try it out again

Noland can DPS the sides after EX support sync

[verbal karma]

...oh...the sides

Also, sadly, that still leaves the problem with Bugsy

Bugsy's sync still only deals very little damage

Despite the crit and the EX support sync buff

[swift swan]

Gridded for nuke? Did you use his TM twice?

[verbal karma]

Yes

Yes to both

[swift swan]

Hmmm what are your params

Sidney already has high bulk so you don't want to add more unnecessary bulk modifiers

[verbal karma]

"More HP" Pre-Sync, but with "Tech Pairs take more damage" instead of any of the two immunities

[swift swan]

I'd try full attack presync

Aaron should be able to handle it

[mellow linden]

Just checking, but is there a specific reason we're doing Bugsy + Noland?

[verbal karma]

It was suggested to me

It's as simple as that

[swift swan]

I did say Alder if you want to try that. Pretty sure we've gone through this before

[mellow linden]

Could try Alder then, since iirc you got him

[verbal karma]

True

Alder/Aaron/Burgh then

[mellow linden]

If you're running dual damage-dealer with Alder you're gonna need the Support to mostly help Burgh, which Aaron does not

[swift swan]

Is ss brendan still available? Iirc you have him

[mellow linden]

Tbh if one of the Supports is EX Alder kight be able to do solo damage-dealer

Lemme try

[swift swan]

I tried Alder as the solo damage dealer once but I don't think it was on Sidney

Pretty comfortable

[mellow linden]

I already got my clears in for this week, so no big deal

[verbal karma]

Damn, Alder's sync ALSO does very little damage

Man, both Alder and Bugsy are failing me so far

[mellow linden]

Well ideally he never has to Sync

I'm whipping up and Alder attempt rn

[swift swan]

At 1/5 he doesn't have a good sync. Like many other strikers.

You rely on hyper beam

[mellow linden]

What round is this, btw?

[verbal karma]

Oh yeah, I heard a suggestion to use the "More Attack" Presync params instead...problem is that Aaron already takes entirely too much damage as is

[verbal karma]

Round 4

[mellow linden]

Good, means I can stay on course

[swift swan]

If sidney spams hard-hitting moves, you reset. That's it

In exchange your opponents will be less bulky

[verbal karma]

Damn, even with the "More Attack" Presync params, Alder's sync only removes, like, 1/4 of Sidney's health

[rigid flint]

Alder is def more dps focused than sync

[verbal karma]

...DPS? What DPS?

Struggle Bug deals little damage

and Hyper Beam is entirely too move gauge hungry

[keen jasper]

Well, there's poison stalling

[mellow linden]

That's why you bring gauge support with Alder

[keen jasper]

Like SS Morty

[mellow linden]

4-bar Strike pairs are not that hard to use with proper Supports

Btw, your Skyla and Lodge Elesa: which, if any, are EX?

[verbal karma]

...aight, gonna replace Burgh then, I guess

[verbal karma]

Skyla is EX'd, but Lodge Elesa is not

[modest gull]

Hallo. Quick question right before I try to do the Steven fight. Using sleep/flinch will stop the cast of psychic terrain, right?

[mellow linden]

Got it

[nocturne pawn]

yes

[keen jasper]

Yes

[rigid flint]

Hyper Beam being the dps

[modest gull]

Aight, that's all I need to know. Thanks for the help!

[keen jasper]

Below

[rigid flint]

Ah

Didn't read it yet lul

[nocturne pawn]

Alder’s sync is alright but really wants 3/5 and is painfully slow unless you bring a dedicated debuffer

funnily enough Ciris is actually good for that

[rigid flint]

The 2 unova champs!!

[swift swan]

Alt iris

[keen jasper]

Ah yes, the real champion Iris

[mellow linden]

Alright, so it should be doable with Skyla + Alder + Lodge Elesa, just need 2 quadqueues if no EX on Lodge Elesa and 1 if Lodge Elesa is EX since she has Adrenaline. I'll confirm in a bit, rn I gotta take care of some other stuff

EX Support Sync 1st and Alder Sync 2nd, Alder is 1/5 no EX

[grand trout]

Lmao i bullet seeded steven

I can't leaf storm because i had special damage reduction on

Or whatever it is that makes special moves 80%

Less effective

[verbal karma]

Finally done with Sidney

[manic dust]

So Phoebe should be doable with ex Gio? I'm assuming with Roxanne and a tank?

[grand trout]

Could be

Why not use fantina? I heard she's good now

[manic dust]

Oh is she? Cool, I'll try her out

[grand trout]

That, or shauntal

[manic dust]

Might as well try Fantina since I've had her at 5/5 for a long time and never used her lol

[grand trout]

~~your shauntal is 5/5 too prolly ~~

[nocturne pawn]

fantina lucian special support should be a free win

[grand trout]

I'd try fantina but this is hoenn cs and I'd rather bring the heavy hitters

Used ssr Cynthia

[grand trout]

I know this goes without saying but grid her properly first

[manic dust]

Oh of course, gridding her now

[verbal karma]

and Steven was super duper easy by comparison all thanks to the R5 gimmick

[grand trout]

Yay trin

No shade but this is the first time i saw you complete cs this Early

[verbal karma]

...wdym "this early"?

This CS took much longer than usual

Other CS clears of mine usually take less time than that

I just...rarely post about when I actually clear them...should I do that more often now?

[grand trout]

Ah not really

Maybe it's just i have no sense of time lately lol

[nocturne pawn]

im struggling on how to approach this

phoebe does way too much damage

[grand trout]

Your roster?

She comes equipped with buffs from the get go, no?

[mellow linden]

Congrats!

[nocturne pawn]

+1 atk +2 to both defenses

[grand trout]

Oooh

Lucian?

[nocturne pawn]

i tried that

still too much

this should be fine i think?

[mellow linden]

If you have a 2nd Ghost damage-dealer you can probably blitz the stage, tbh

That's what I did (SSR Cynthia + Shauntal + Teapot Lillie)

[grand trout]

Nita as tank?

Idk if she can tank well tbh

[nocturne pawn]

i have fantina but i domt have a good support for her besides ss brendan who i want to save

[mellow linden]

Fair enough

[nocturne pawn]

maybe anni lillie then?

but the team kinda sucks on gauge then

ill try skyla anni lillie ssrc

ghost zone probably will make up for not maxed attack on cynthia

or just support ex

[mellow linden]

Tbh that team has so much power that gauge isn't likely to be an issue. Heck, there's enough power that you can easily afford to use Shadow Force because you're pre-Syncing regardless

[last palm]

Morty is always there but no one noticed him

[nocturne pawn]

cuz hes bad

[last palm]

[keen jasper]

Damn, Victor did 128k on his Drum Beating without maxed Hunter's Instinct

[main crow]

Blind spot

[steel kelp]

Grass should be stopped atp

Most units are insane

[swift swan]

Blind spot

I tried nuking with Morty. Didn't like it

[last palm]

crobat exist

[swift swan]

https://youtu.be/5K05gb5jZ6o i sure tried alright!

[nocturne pawn]

i used to use him for ghost weak on hard but even then sometimes i had to rely on last word to win

and bp janine didnt exist back them

so

yeah

:)

[main crow]

Even if she exists now Fantina is just a better choice if i had to choose

[dark osprey]

Shauntal is kinda nice as well. Her dps and speed are really quite good if syncing with SSR Cynthia most probably

[last palm]

but is she physical

[swift swan]

Cases where you need a physical ghost is quite rare and I believe she can bruteforce anyway

As long as it's only x2 entry

[last palm]

if you choose physical params for ssr cynthia

And Fantina need spe def debuff or sth?

[swift swan]

Her sp def debuffs are pretty reliable

[swift swan]

Then no reason to bring Fantina at all

[last palm]

ghost zone

[obsidian agate]

is this supposed to be a difficult cs? everything seems to hit so much harder and i get obliterated

[last palm]

Hardest cs tho

[main crow]

And we have a accessible consistent spdef debuffer now in the form of lucian

[steel kelp]

Is it tho

Harder than sinnoh

[last palm]

Yeah

[swift swan]

Hoenn stages are generally bulky and have a lot of firepower with high offenses, zones/terrains, or multipliers

[last palm]

It come after sinnoh

[steel kelp]

Idk

[main crow]

Kalos?

[steel kelp]

Flint loves one shorting frame 1

[swift swan]

Definitely harder than most

[steel kelp]

Kalos is nothing

[full mesa]

Apart from Drake (couldn't bother for a 3rd time in 2 weeks), the rest were quite easy.

[main crow]

True never really find it a struggle lol

But still among the harder ones

[last palm]

Sinnoh just has aaron that make people traumatized. When hoenn i just heard them complain all stage in the past

[swift swan]

Kalos is challenging, but if you've been playing for a while you have the roster and skill to clear comfortably

Sinnoh and Hoenn are difficult in their own ways. Sinnoh is more restrictive with their entries. Hoenn has more bulk and firepower. It's just a matter of perspective

Gee can't wait for Galar CS and have people fighting over what's the hardest CS again!

[last palm]

Galar cs let see next month

[steel kelp]

galar is piss easy like kanto

[full mesa]

Nothing is hard if you have Zeus' rodents.

[manic kiln]

the only annoying kalos fight is steel weak Diantha

[last palm]

Special steel?

[swift swan]

Iirc fighting weak wikstrom gave people trouble because of that zone on entry

[manic kiln]

oh yeah that one too

[full mesa]

SSACynthia

[manic kiln]

tricky but doable

[swift swan]

To bruteforce two out of five stages? Sure

[full mesa]

3 if you add SSACynthia. Then you just need to beat 2

Easy peasy lemon squeeze

[steel kelp]

There are plenty of units with enough firepower now

[last palm]

everyone can brute force now

[swift swan]

And trust me I've seen enough people with rodents who still struggle sometimes to know that you can have the most broken pairs at your disposal and still have problems if you don't play properly

[steel kelp]

Sure it’s not rat level but not impossible

[versed meteor]

Unless its an off region eb I don't believe anyone is struggling with them

[nocturne pawn]

people definitely can

its called not triple queueing

[mellow linden]

Occasionally something pops up where someone picked all the Damage Reduction 8 parameters or whatever

So it’s definitely possible for user error to interfere with even the OPikachus

[obsidian agate]

3/5 red or 3/5 leon aren’t doing much to glacia.. should i try silver? he’s not EX though

[peak stirrup]

Phoebe has Sentry Entry and Wise Entry
Like why though

[nocturne pawn]

its stat buffs

not directly doubling

[peak stirrup]

It is built to perfectly counter SSR Cynthia

[mellow linden]

It’s really not that bad

[mellow linden]

What’s the team you’re using for each?

[versed meteor]

Do yall think we would get a unit that bypasses sentry and wise entry just to start having stages with both sentry and wise entry

[mellow linden]

And what parameters if Master Mode?

[old orchid]

Did you replace hail with sun, and did you accidentally pick special dmg reduction param?

[nocturne pawn]

not really lmao?

i get 24k first sync with her follow up does 12k with shadow force

it’s not bad

[old orchid]

It just makes her setup harder

Not counter her

[nocturne pawn]

exactly

[peak stirrup]

Higher SpDef means you can’t have a full brain teaser and higher defense makes her sync do less

[nocturne pawn]

countering her would need both entries

[nocturne pawn]

you do know crits bypass defense buffs right

[old orchid]

Well you can bring a spdef debuffer

[nocturne pawn]

so it literally doesnt matter

[obsidian agate]

i’ve tried evelyn, cbede, serena (normal), blaine dies instantly. special dmg is not reduced, i was doing postsync on type

[nocturne pawn]

and also that

lucian reliably debuffs spdef

[mellow linden]

Do you have an EX Attack + crit Support available?

[peak stirrup]

I tried fantina but that’s probably not going to work since I have to take the Sp Dmg reduction

[mellow linden]

No you don’t, what

[steel kelp]

Huh

What kinda logic is that

[obsidian agate]

ex supports

[steel kelp]

Fantina does fine

[mellow linden]

Can do Hop or Sonia + SS Red + Blaine, would just need to worry about whether Glacia decides to spam Blizzard

Which you’d have to worry about regardless

Grid SS Red for Haymaker and Solar Flare and you’d be golden

[obsidian agate]

should i be using red’s phys attack then?

[nocturne pawn]

why would you use fantina if ur taking special reduction 💀

shadow ball isnt inconsequential dps from ssrc either

[mellow linden]

No, you’d use his Trainer Move twice

[nocturne pawn]

just use lucian like bruh

[mellow linden]

He sets up his Sp. Atk., the Support sets up Haymaker

If you don’t wanna use his Trainer Move then Champ Bede for the Support, I guess

[obsidian agate]

i’ll give it a try, thank you

[mellow linden]

Anyway, elaborating on this, Special Damage Reduction 8 is easily swappable with a couple 50-point parameters

I’ve done that a ton of times

[fervent otter]

How do I clear 2.5 Phoebe with Anni Lillie? I cant seem to get my sync nuke set up fast enough before phoebe

i can share my units if need be

[mellow linden]

What team are you using currently?

[nocturne pawn]

anni lillie doesnt have a good sync so i would support ex first

[mellow linden]

And what parameters?

[nocturne pawn]

also she has her multipliers as soon as you use her tm

[fervent otter]

I paired her with hop because hes the only ex support i have left. i have the sync buff bonus and use hops sync asap.

[mellow linden]

And the 3rd team member?

[fervent otter]

im trying to figure that out, lillie cant sync fast enough after hop and phoebe just wipes my teams

[mellow linden]

You’re only running 2 Sync Pairs on your team right now?

[fervent otter]

my parameters are the on type post sync template from the reddit

ive been switching out the third member, but cant figure out who can make this team work.

[mellow linden]

Do you have Lucian?

[fervent otter]

yes i do

[mellow linden]

Grid Hop for Adrenaline and run Hop + A. Lillie + Lucian. Spam Growl with Lucian

[fervent otter]

parameters

[mellow linden]

If you think you’ll need Hop elsewhere then run a different Support

[fervent otter]

and units

[mellow linden]

If you’re still having issues KOing the center before they Sync then you can try using pre-Sync parameters instead, that’ll decrease the opponents’ bulk

[fervent otter]

okay ill try that

who should be my third member?

[mellow linden]

See above

And again, if you think you’ll need Hop elsewhere run a different Support than him

[nocturne pawn]

fantina is pretty good for dual strike but you want a good support with her

[mellow linden]

I think Lucian + A. Lillie should be fine since it sounds like they’re on Round 4

[fervent otter]

yup i am on round 4

[dark osprey]

Can try pre sync probably

[mellow linden]

For legal reasons the above emote is a joke

[fervent otter]

omg i finnaly beat her

will🔛🔝

[mellow linden]

Congrats!

[fervent otter]

can i post league results here?

[mellow linden]

#1010274591601598555 is a better channel since you can create a post that you’ll be able to update weekly

[fervent otter]

got it

[tranquil bluff]

Are Irida’s passives enough to bypass Wise Entry if she dual-strikes with another? Wanna try using Villains which means Ghetsis with Irida (and Ciovanni)

[mellow linden]

It can allow for doing so, yeah

Though it’d be harder than running her with a physical Ice damage-dealer like Hala

[manic dust]

Did someone say earlier that you can't use Silver on Glacia? Just want to check before I go building around him

[mellow linden]

Don’t think anyone said that, Silver should be plenty usable against Fire weak Glacia (though much harder to use if no EX/Power Boost)

[manic dust]

Sweet okay, yeah mine is boosted and EXed, so I'm off to the races. Thanks!

[tranquil bluff]

If not then I can just use Maxie + SSGio + Lyra for them and just use Archie + LySS for Glacia instead. If only Phoebe was Dark weak, then I could just use SS Cyrus and Lysandre (tho 1/5 ik isn’t great)…

God we need more Villain supports

[north crown]

r2 sidney
r3 glacia
r4 drake

[onyx ice]

Used 1/5 Irida with Hala and 6ex OG jasmine, hala one shot glacial, so I just used b ice beam to one shot 1 side and another ice hammer to one shot the other side

Probably she will work with another special damage dealer too, but I feel Hala is pretty busted for wise entry x2 ice stages

[versed meteor]

Hala isn't busted for shit even c bede cant carry hala for this drake stage

Hala on his own deals terrible damage, messes up gauge, and keeps getting crit for some damn reason

[nocturne pawn]

uh skill issue?

his dps is fine and his nuke is why hes pretty good

also 1t attack set up

[manic dust]

Need some help on R3 Glacia. I'm building physical Silver and Ho-Oh EX, running sacred fire, and using Blaine as a sun setter to deal with hail. I've tried a few different supports -- CBede, Aaron, and Evelyn, and I just keep getting stomped by these AOEs

[nocturne pawn]

honestly im not sure why ice hammer isnt doing much for you cuz the base power is extremely high for a regular move

[cinder summit]

<:CATEGORY_PHYSICAL:967450751980949625> <:TYPE_ICE:967452395875487745> Ice Hammer

Gauge: 4 | Power: 194 | Accuracy: 90 | Uses: -
Target: An opponent
Effect Tag: -
Lowers the user's Speed by 1 stat rank.

Sync Pairs with Move:

Hala & Crabominable

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[nocturne pawn]

i think for glacia you just have to reset so that she wont use too many blizzards

alternatively you can use defense up instead of atk up

[manic dust]

Yeah, that"s what I was going for with Evelyn but I still got wrecked lol. I'll keep praying to RNGesus!

[fluid lynx]

What's the deal with Phoebe? She hits like a freaking truck and spams aoe...

[nocturne pawn]

hits hard and spits acid

its just a hoenn thing

stages hit harder and have more hp

thankfully her only real gimmick is furious brawn which can be canceled out by lucian

[manic kiln]

did you change the weather, or did you even do the ice stadium, it's the same stage, Hala is fine with his dmg, -speed is his multiplier

this is not even an optimal team cause I used mono team but I didn't have any gauge issue

[sick inlet]

Hatin on Hala
Just like me

Still hits like a truck

[mellow linden]

Hala is absolutely capable of beating Drake this week, especially with Irida on the team

[unreal radish]

I will need to try with Ghetsis

[mellow linden]

Ghetsis might have a rough time if no Irida since Drake has Wise Entry x2, though if it’s Hard Mode or a low point value on Master Mode it’ll probably still be fine

[sick inlet]

Very not recommended.
Is it possible? In the realm of possibilities

[manic dust]

Ugh, Glacia is just not coming together for me. Any recommendations on who to pair with Silver and Blaine to survive? Most of the time I can't even get to my second sync

[mellow linden]

You could grid Silver for a 1st Sync win type of build

And run a Speed buffer as the Support

[manic dust]

Oh nice! I have never tried a one turn sync win before. I'll give it a shot!

[mellow linden]

Basically get all his Sync nuke tiles + Trainer Move Berserker and Trainer Move Super Preparation tiles

Sorry, Super Command tile

[manic dust]

Awesome, will do. Thank you as always!

[fiery canopy]

new week everybunny wowoaoaoa

[unreal radish]

I have Irida

It was just for Hard More

[mellow linden]

Oh, then you should be golden

Ah, yeah, definitely fine then

[unreal radish]

Now I'm going for Master

[fiery canopy]

just need rock type 4 medal...lemme think out my teamz

thinking r1 drake w ghetsis irida and whatever support

[manic dust]

That did it! Once she stopped opening with blizzard she went downnn

[mellow linden]

Congrats!

[fiery canopy]

i have ss silver too but hes not support neither is irida or ghetsis

[mellow linden]

Could do Irida + SS Silver + Support

[unreal radish]

I don't know what options to pick though

To get points

I don't think I can do 2500 points runs yet

[mellow linden]

If it's your 1st time doing Master Mode you may want to take a look at the 850 and 1500 point parameter sets in the pins

[fiery canopy]

only reason im considering ghetsis is bc stat lowering parameter

but this is hard mode so who gaf

[mellow linden]

True, it won't really matter on Hard Mode

[fiery canopy]

what support should i pick ......

[mellow linden]

If Irida + Ghetsis then a Sp. Atk. + crit Support, probably

[fiery canopy]

hmm
and what abt if ss silver and irida...

[north crown]

shouldn't you be focusing more on the type medal instead of optimal synergy?

[mellow linden]

Then ideally someone who can help SS Silver with his buffs

[fiery canopy]

yeah but the only type i need is rock

so i dont have to rly worry abt that yet

[mellow linden]

They only have to do 1 type, Drake's probably not the one to do it on

[north crown]

regirock be like:

[fiery canopy]

i could just use roxie for support and say fuck it

[mellow linden]

Roxanne could work fine with Irida + Ghetsis, yeah

Just means Ghetsis takes longer to setup, which isn't a big deal because Irida

[fiery canopy]

sure lets try it
brb

worked yay

now for r2

glacia maybe?

[north crown]

I wouldn't worry that much since hard mode

and you got no type restrictions either

just save it for mm

[fiery canopy]

kk!

[weak sleet]

Can ghetsis and irida clear the ice stage this week?

At 12.5k

[mellow linden]

Should be able to, though if you happen to have Hala he'd probably do better alongside Irida because Wise Entry x2

[weak sleet]

Oh right wise entry

I do have Hala

[mellow linden]

Should work great, I ran Irida + Hala myself against Drake

[weak sleet]

Thank you I'll give that a try!

[fiery canopy]

whos a good support for sc ingo and emmet?

[mellow linden]

Sonia'd be a good pick if she's available and 3/5+

[fiery canopy]

i already used her w silver for glacia unfortunately

would regular ingo work?

[mellow linden]

Well fortunately just about any Attack + crit Support should work

Can even get away with a lower amount of buffs since SC Emmet can handle some of his own buffs if need be

[fiery canopy]

coolio
lemme go do the battle

actually wait im doing phoebe first and then sidney
hmmm

i dont have any outstanding ghost strikers unfortunately

[mellow linden]

Fantina not 3/5 yet?

And while Shauntal's Sync nuke isn't anything special she's good for Shadow Ball damage

[fiery canopy]

shes 2/5
ill give shauntal a shot then

all done yayyy
mm time

wheres the 2.5k parameter guide at

[tired sleet]

+csmm

[frozen depot]

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[fiery canopy]

tyty

this is a stupid question but what do "presync" and "postsync" mean?

[nocturne pawn]

before enemy sync and after enemy sync

pre sync involves taking more offensive parameters to end the fight before they can sync post sync is taking stuff like -cd and strength

[hushed sorrel]

Wholly sheeeet charizard dies to 2 icy wind lol. Can't even get a sync

What fire teams did you guys use?

Haha mann come on ss red just dies

[fiery canopy]

oh gotcha

glacias being evil rn

im trying sonia / silver / blaine rn and wow they r just melting

not nice

[hushed sorrel]

Duuude haha I don't know what to do froslass does so much damage

[fiery canopy]

that damn blizzard
and healing shit

[hushed sorrel]

I can't even get to first sync to see if I have a chance

[fiery canopy]

im only doing 2.5k but somehow thats still enough for her to destroy me

[mellow linden]

Fire weak Glacia is in part a test of how much AoE she decides to spam, sadly

She can really just decide to choose violence for no reason

[hushed sorrel]

So basically I need to rng?

[mellow linden]

Well, not entirely, but there can be some early-fight RNG involved to get to a point where the game snowballs in your favor depending on the team

Sorta like how you need to reset for MP Refreshes on some teams to get full buffs from the Support

If you have a Power Boosted EX Silver + Ho-Oh he can Sync nuke on 1st Sync and basically win, if that helps any

[nocturne pawn]

isnt that glacia in general

[mellow linden]

Fire and Steel weak moreso than Fighting weak

[hushed sorrel]

O sheet I did 3x striker lolol

[mellow linden]

That would definitely impact survivability

[long thicket]

.....

I think I hate Hoenn more than Sinnoh.

Glacia and Drake both spam AoE moves.

Sinnoh went so smooth for me last time, though.

[mellow linden]

Fortunately Drake is the exact same as he was in the Ice weak CS event, so if you beat him there you already know how to beat him here

[long thicket]

Got him the second try, so it's not that bad.

But yeah, for some reason Sinnoh started to feel much easier than it used to be for me.

[nocturne pawn]

i dont wanna try anymore phoebe is mean

maybe i do the funny strat with oleana and debuff her into the dirt

[hushed sorrel]

Hmm nvm Ss Red absolutely destroys Glacia I had wrong parameters lololll

Like not even close

[hushed sorrel]

Wth lol Steven died before I sync it died to b razor leaf

[mellow linden]

The power of Adaman

[hushed sorrel]

I think they made him too broken hahaha

[steel kelp]

That’s the majority of grass units

Type too busted

[long thicket]

EX Lunala was a great call.

[mellow linden]

Grass is indeed a stacked type

[long thicket]

I know Fire has many good options, but I often tend to fall short depending on the stage.

[mellow linden]

Glacia is kinda an outlier for Fire weak stages due to AoE spam, the others should be a lot more consistent with a properly built team that's abusing Sun

[long thicket]

Well yeah, she can take out half the HP in one move.

[mellow linden]

Higher-than-usual offenses will do that

[nocturne pawn]

aaron with megahorn says hi

[mellow linden]

I don't consider that to be as problematic since it's single-target, but it is a fair point

[nocturne pawn]

just saying though it hurts really hard

almost one shot my ss brendan from full health

[river pagoda]

What order y'all doin this week??

Not tryna get the seed bomb/earthquake on R3 so ik I'ma avoid that

[mellow linden]

It sorta depends on what you're running

I ran Phoebe -> Drake -> Glacia -> Sidney, but that's just 1 example

[river pagoda]

Was thinking drake Phoebe glacia Sidney

Hmmm

Oki drake r1 done I think I'ma stick w this order shud be fine

[steel kelp]

Aoe

[river pagoda]

Teams look aight? Alr did r1 drake, goin Phoebe glacia Sidney and tryna presync champ if possible

[nocturne pawn]

ughhh sidney poison stall aint working

doesnt help that the main 2 options are both weak to his hard hitting moves

[mellow linden]

Looks fine at a glance, I assume Courtney is just there as an insurance policy in case you need to get rid of Dark Zone?

[river pagoda]

Yep

Gonna change if she not needed

[mellow linden]

Probably fine, though if you have Darach maybe him instead for Attack debuffs

[river pagoda]

O staraptor

Will see thx

[nocturne pawn]

also why did they have to give sidney snarl

lucian and ss steven just crumple to snarl and bianca cant take a seed bomb

god this fight is shit

[river pagoda]

Mm I love fire weak glacia 😌

The one and only time I can mess up like 5 times and still win against her

🦍

[hushed sorrel]

Like 2 weeks ago CS took me 4 hours lol. This was so easy. Is it just this week or having way more level 145 from 135 make a big diff

[old orchid]

this week is easy overall with benefiting round parameters

the only concern is Bug weak Sidney for some people

[paper summit]

Glacia bullied me today

tbf it was mostly RNG being mean AF with random crits and too many strong attacks in a row

[hushed sorrel]

Well I kinda cheated for Sid I just stalled him lol

[paper summit]

considering the state of bug types, fair

[hushed sorrel]

Charizard was so op he killed it lol killed everything in a sync

[zealous karma]

I sleep stalled with Serena

Well not really Ethan is swag

[zealous karma]

I prefer bugsy myself

[hushed sorrel]

I’d love to try when I have more sync orbs

[old orchid]

skill issue

[nocturne pawn]

who do you use for stall that isnt bp morty or psyduck

[tame gust]

Anything that can provide heals and defensive buffs

[hushed sorrel]

I haven't lost with this line yet haha its a pretty cool stall team

[toxic cobalt]

I haven’t seen anyone do the SS Leaf solo since 12.5k.

[hushed sorrel]

O dang he can solo

Well actually come to think about it that team comp is press 3 button over and over again win. Prob why I enjoy it don't have to think 😂

[tired sleet]

Does the physical attack move up affect syncs/max moves? Attack move implies that it doesn’t

[nocturne pawn]

the round effect affects everything

[zealous karma]

Attack move is the same description as CS

[paper summit]

a sync move is not an attack move, this game does a bad job at wording stuff

[cinder summit]

Critical Strike 1

Powers up the user's attacks when they become critical hits.

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[tired sleet]

That says attack, not attack move

[paper summit]

attack is not the same as attack move, surprise

[zealous karma]

I love consistent wording

[paper summit]

well, it is consistent

the round parameter is for regular moves

[nocturne pawn]

i was told before that it affected everything though

[paper summit]

Power on Hit does

[old orchid]

PoH affects sync moves?

[dark osprey]

guess it does.

if the centre does not attack much during the battle the sync seems weaker

[dusty yarrow]

quick question, is there any available statistics regarding most pick teams or units for CS? (Official from PoMA or Community made)

[swift swan]

other than the Frequently Used Teams feature in the game (which is useless)?

The official twitter account revealed the most used teams for Kanto CS Hard Mode two (?) years ago

[dusty yarrow]

oh... I guess that word was banned

[noble plaza]

Any particular order for this one? Like who to avoid on which rounds?

[dusty yarrow]

maybe avoid R3 against Phoebe, Sidney &/or Drake

[noble plaza]

Alrighty.

I'm probably going to get Sidney out of the way since I have SC Submas

[dusty yarrow]

their gimmicks is on the pin, so just prepare the team based on it

[dusty yarrow]

I was pertaining to this things when still being posted back then

although Idk how they count their usages

[sick inlet]

As a SSLeaf Solo doer in the 10ks, I honestly personally don't plan to solo in any gimmicky region. They have zones, weathers, extra offenses, spam hax list goes on.

[grim bison]

Who's the hardest of the elite four for this week

[toxic cobalt]

Glacia

[trail smelt]

Really? I would have pegged Sidney

[toxic cobalt]

I dunno I sort of ripped him apart

Glacia is so bulky

And blizzard is so painful

Stop aoeing me

[hushed sorrel]

The PC answer imo is it depends on your roster

[junior crown]

Technically the answer always depends on which pairs you have, ex: Glacia is easy if you have SS Hilda, same goes for SS Hilb/Alder/SC Subduo for Sidney

[quaint solar]

Wahh....not fire type Glacia is cheese on Round 3 using Silver and Ho-Ho.
For me, this week, Drake was most annoying. Last week for sure Glacia was the most annoying for sure .
Phoebe on Round 1 took the longest to finish becaue I had to rely on Evasion RNG at the end.

[mellow linden]

The thing with Glacia this week is that there’s in part an RNG element to her since she can decide to spam nothing but Blizzard while her sides only use Icy Wind

Meanwhile, Drake is more consistent in his threat level by virtue of his AoE not hitting as hard

[nocturne pawn]

invigorating hail and healing heal ow

[old orchid]

Changing hail is a must

Hail and Hearty

[nocturne pawn]

well shes using hail at +1

[mellow linden]

Yeah, Glacia especially hurts if Hail is left active, though that’s not exclusive to her

[nocturne pawn]

so its not bad for pre sync

post sync is pretty cringe this week in particular

sidney with snarl and seed bomb was so why

[mellow linden]

Sidney’s most annoying aspect this week, IMO, is that because both center and left side have Snarl, they can just decide to ruin your day if your damage-dealer uses Sp. Atk. by just spamming Snarl

[nocturne pawn]

i tried toxic stalling this week with misty and morty but guess what they’re both weak to the hard hitting stuff sidney does

misty grass weak = dead to seed bomb
morty = dead to sync and feint

[quaint solar]

I toxic stalled him as well in Round 2. You should have completed it with Morty being only one dead.(died on second Sync) That's what happened to me anyways.

[nocturne pawn]

i got unlucky with potion mprs then i guess

didnt get any when i tried

ok nvm i just didnt get mpr

why the fuck is it on the opposite side of his grid

[quaint solar]

You talking about the Master Healer 1 being at the far right top of his grid and the MP Refresh being far left bottom of his grid. LoL 😮‍💨

[nocturne pawn]

i mean he does have an innate mh1 so mpr is more useful then

[quaint solar]

That's what I went for
I wish that Potion MG Refresh was another MP Refresh instead.
No idea who was to genius that convinced them to make MG Refresh for TM moves.

[marble orbit]

Should i not take on Phoebe for r2?

I got 2 KO after her sync move

[old orchid]

R2 doesnt benefit Phoebe in anyway

[swift swan]

Try presyncing then

[versed meteor]

I find it funny that hoenn weeks are 2 poison stall 1 offtype then 2 normal runs

[noble plaza]

Glacia suuuuuucks

I can't get good damage in, probably because Silver doesn't have his attack boosted but I don't have an EX support unit that can boost attack and special defense

[old orchid]

show your roster

[manic kiln]

you can use a non ex support and sync 2 times with silver, still delete the stage

[noble plaza]

right sorry

[old orchid]

i see you have Leon, try using him instead

[noble plaza]

ooo ok

with who? I'm guessing Blaine would be my best bet as a sun setter

Maybe Roxanne or Lodge Dawn for Support?

or Lyra

[toxic cobalt]

Leon could use crit help honestly

[noble plaza]

good point

when do I use Leon's Max Move?

[old orchid]

is your LDawn 3/5?

the best way to use max move is after EX support

[noble plaza]

yes she is

[old orchid]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/11600/41300?s=5&l=140&r=4&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFExYXGSYoKissLQ

use this grid for Dawn

about Leon, try to get a MP Rekindle proc before the first sync

might be a good idea to deny the left side with max move, but try using Inferno first to see if it knocks out left before it has a chance to move or not

[noble plaza]

oh i should aim inferno at the left?

[old orchid]

after EX support sync, yeah

to deny the left

[noble plaza]

[junior crown]

Need to remember that BP Morty is weak to Dark, for those cases if you can use another tank may be better, I poison stalled with BP Clermont against him for example

[noble plaza]

It worked!!! Thanks Gakon!

should i R3 Phoebe or Drake?

R2ing Glacia might not have been the smartest decision

[junior crown]

Phoebe teorically is better for R3 than Drake, but depends if you can pre sync both

R4 is good to boost your presync damage, but it's worst for post sync

[noble plaza]

I got some pretty good Ice units

like with SS Silver, so I could probably presync Drake

[junior crown]

And for Phoebe, you're going to use Shauntal or Gio?

[noble plaza]

Giovanni

[junior crown]

I fell Gio appreciates more the sync buffs for R4 than SS Silver

And SS Silver benefits from R3 phys boost

[noble plaza]

that makes sense

[junior crown]

So try R3 Drake if you can survive pre sync

[noble plaza]

i was thinking something similar

[junior crown]

If you can't then change

[steel kelp]

Simply punch his face

[noble plaza]

oh i totally forgot to put that my Hop was EX'd in the tracker oops

[versed meteor]

Perm field, grass weak, ss acerola havers are ecstatic aren't they

Fuck psychic terrain

[rotund lagoon]

@versed meteor What exact params are you using?

Did you check the pins?

I’m more curious as to why you have Can’t Change Zone, Weather, Terrain on

[grand steppe]

does that prevent defog from working?

[rotund lagoon]

That’s…what I do not know. Maybe I should test it.

Steven gets insane buffs from Psychic Terrain, and it needs to be removed for sure

[nocturne pawn]

i dont think it should

that parameter prevents the player from having those field effects active i dont think it would stop defog

[grand steppe]

That's what I'm assuming, its just "change" is pretty vague.

[versed meteor]

It doesn't

But my fucking run ended because of crit rock slide

[grand steppe]

you should be using crit shield for a free 150 points if using darach

[versed meteor]

I did

[nocturne pawn]

can you not replace the no field effects param

like with strength 1 and atk 1?

[grand steppe]

It's the round bonus for VS Steven, you have to deal with it.

[nocturne pawn]

i mean he doesnt cast psychic terrain until its +1

[versed meteor]

I can but I have nothing to replace psychic terrain that is useful just volkner

[nocturne pawn]

a better dps should just kill him outright

[nocturne pawn]

volkner has 50% flinch

[grand steppe]

Volkner can do flinch, but you'd need to drop crit shield.

flinching will net you more turns

[versed meteor]

Na rosa -6 special attack is much more attactive

[nocturne pawn]

clearly that hasnt worked out

[formal vigil]

can't you just dual strike with brendan or something

[tired sleet]

What is your grass roster?

[grand steppe]

Why not just pre-sync with Rosa + Brendan/Gardenia, and a special support ex.

[nocturne pawn]

this is literally what im saying lol

brendan + sc rosa should definitely clear and she even solves brendan’s shitass accuracy

[grand steppe]

Melony for sing, if you have her ex.

[versed meteor]

Not it didn't work i only lost because of crit rock slide

[north crown]

I didn't expect someone to struggle to a grass weak stage

[grand steppe]

Is 1/5 Rosa one shotting the sides? I assume not.

[north crown]

I found the problem.. critical hit defense

[nocturne pawn]

they’re using darach

[north crown]

It's all from the parameters

oh huh

waitaimunte can't you afford dual dps at that point?

[nocturne pawn]

yes

[versed meteor]

Used this team but kiawe instead of aaron

[nocturne pawn]

thats what we’ve been saying

[versed meteor]

Wait who tanks then?

[nocturne pawn]

just

remove crit shield

use str1 atk1

[north crown]

does this dude not know how to teambuild or something?

[nocturne pawn]

and use another grass dps

[nocturne pawn]

i mean i dont think +2 spatk is really winning here

it works

its just not the best answer

[versed meteor]

Wait darach is there for more than just defog

[nocturne pawn]

is he

[versed meteor]

He can reduce attack

[nocturne pawn]

physical damage reduction 8 means he does fuck all

[north crown]

just bring a def buffer or potion spam

or healing

[nocturne pawn]

dude just use another dps

[grand steppe]

Well for pre-sync you'd want two grass dps.

[nocturne pawn]

brendan sc rosa skyla should win

sync with brendan if hes ex

[versed meteor]

Not ex

No grass striker is ex

[north crown]

brendan is still really good dps w/out ex

[grand steppe]

Kiawe lacks defensive buffs. Aaron is probably better for survivng the post-sync.

[north crown]

is Aaron their only choice? I'd suggest swapping Aaron for another EX support if possible

[nocturne pawn]

bur you can just pre sync if you change a couple of the params

[versed meteor]

Look the support pool doesn't have a lot of defence buffers while they heal

A lot of dena support are just one dimensional

[grand steppe]

Sonia & Hop...

[north crown]

I was just giving options when listing sustainable options

[nocturne pawn]

you have cbede

and a 5/5 sonia

my guy

what are you doing

[versed meteor]

Look its not like my run didn't work i only lost to a stupid crit rock slide

[sinful garden]

tfw one of the best supports in the game and 5/5 sonia

[nocturne pawn]

it works but theres a much easier route to take

which is what we’ve been trying to say the entire time

[grand steppe]

Well post-or-pre sync clearing is fine, I wanted to know if your Seed Flare was able to one shot the Sides or not. If they aren't then you likely need and 2nd dps.

[north crown]

That's probably not all the EX supports they have; the list doesn't end there.

[versed meteor]

What is easier than debuff opponents and finish them with a unit that take advantage of debuffed units

[halcyon sail]

Dual strike

[sinful garden]

dual dps should clear fine

[nocturne pawn]

literally

brendan sc rosa skyla

[sinful garden]

i just cant wrap my head around you using crit shield

[nocturne pawn]

what i have been saying from the beginning

[versed meteor]

Dual dps never works when i do it so i dont stress myself on it

[nocturne pawn]

bruh what

[north crown]

Hell even Glacia wouldn't be a bad choice either

[rotund lagoon]

I don’t want to make this convo worse, but have you checked the pins?

[versed meteor]

I have c bede and i cant dual dps silver and ss may

[sinful garden]

or sonia instead of skyla

[versed meteor]

Trust me i rarely dual dps

[nocturne pawn]

cbede isnt that good at buffing units quickly

ss silver wants a support like hilbert

you cant dual strike easily cuz ur not picking good supports for ur units

[north crown]

**I really want to say 2 specific words in succession **

[nocturne pawn]

skill issue?

[versed meteor]

Wait sc rosa has grid on the roll why?

She always debuffs special defence with seed flare

[halcyon sail]

Not always

It's 80%

[north crown]

even assuming 100% she won't be able to get to -6 spdef presync, so oar helps

[nocturne pawn]

no what you want is mg9

for first sync full set up

[north crown]

yeah that

I'm not familiar with her kit

[nocturne pawn]

wait

ok sc rosa is a mess

she has multipliers for debuffing 3 different stats and is slow at doing all 3

[rotund lagoon]

Btw if you want a screenshot of our params, I can send it

[halcyon sail]

Debuffing 4 stats per hit is considered slow?

[grand steppe]

she ain't slow lmao

[nocturne pawn]

shes slow to max all her multipliers is what i mean

[north crown]

yeah at this point, I can't see another way 1/5 SCRosa could clear 2.5k points without a dual dps comp

[grand steppe]

most units don't solo their own multipliers, hence builing a team. 1/5 just has to worry about Smarty-Pants.

[halcyon sail]

Only SS Brendan and Summer Tate alongside her debuff spdef that quickly

[north crown]

sslyra:

[nocturne pawn]

yeah but 3/5 wants evasion debuffs too and uhh no one really does that besides darach rng and herself

[grand steppe]

Well I didn't say it has to be common.

[nocturne pawn]

oh i forgot lisia oops

[formal vigil]

og lisia and 4/5 ss wally too

[nocturne pawn]

anyway dual striking isnt really that bad with a good support

[versed meteor]

Told you it was a loss because if a stupid crit

[nocturne pawn]

you can see it on phoebe and r5

[north crown]

don't forget that CSerena and SSLyra can do it reliably

[nocturne pawn]

can they?

reliably?

arent they rng

[steel kelp]

The y are

[north crown]

oh I forgot to add the prefix "semi-"

[tired sleet]

Cerena is reliable in dark form (she gets discombobulate)

[nocturne pawn]

yeah just roll the 7 sided die enough times it’ll work™️

[rotund lagoon]

Funny enough, 4/5 or 5/5 SS Leaf can too

[versed meteor]

No dual dps is only good when both can self buff reliably

[north crown]

cuz jesus fuckin christ my attention is too focused on this dude's subpar team

[steel kelp]

Oh yea

[north crown]

brendan:

[steel kelp]

SS leaf can do it reliably

[grand steppe]

I thought it was wierd that you originally reported a loss with scRosa. That confused me. Glad it worked out.

[nocturne pawn]

my guy mallow has 0 fucking attack buffs

[rotund lagoon]

Wait it’s a 3/5 tile

[steel kelp]

Ain’t 4 and 5/5 just poison and sync tiles

[mellow linden]

This is false

[nocturne pawn]

dual strike works if you have a proper support for your units

[nocturne pawn]

i literally just proved it false

cuz i just posted mallow ss erika and ss ace on r5

💀

and mallow has no attack buffs

[versed meteor]

Well that team only works because dena was trying so hard to sell the tapus

[nocturne pawn]

and before you tell me its ss acerola the point still stands

[zealous karma]

Her TM buffs her Atk crit and accuracy by 1 rank I thought

[steel kelp]

It’s not even that

[nocturne pawn]

its dependent on the support

[nocturne pawn]

only acc and crit

[steel kelp]

Grass is just a busted type

[north crown]

if u got PDawn, I'd recommend swapping Skyla with her for fun. mf DPS go brrrrrr.

[north crown]

skyla, brendan, scrosa:

[steel kelp]

And they keep releasing grass units

[north crown]

it was the team that was reccomended

[nocturne pawn]

oh wait its speed acc and crit

my bad

[versed meteor]

Then get messed up by psychic terrain and psychic

[mellow linden]

Mallow + SS Erika + a 3/5 Hilbert or 3/5 Sonia can probably handle Steven this week easily, only real variable is if the opponents try to murder the Support right off the bat

[steel kelp]

Them giving Steven perma field was the biggest mistake they could’ve made

[nocturne pawn]

it cast psychic terrain 1 move before sync right

[versed meteor]

Look i don't do pre sync ok requires everything to go right which i have no strength for

[nocturne pawn]

its not hard to just kill steven before he gets there

[mellow linden]

I ran Fall Caitlin + SC Sonia + SS Erika and won just fine, only things SS Erika and SC Sonia are doing for self-buffs is crit buffs and I could probably swap Fall Caitlin for a 3/5 Hilbert or 3/5 Sonia just fine

[north crown]

spam potion + turn deny. also terrain only comes before opponent sync

[nocturne pawn]

it… doesnt?

i do pre sync all the time and very rarely do i actually struggle on a stage

[mellow linden]

Pre-Sync isn’t all that hard, tbh, I do it often using post-Sync parameters

[north crown]

"everything to go right"

oh no spamming DPS moves is soooo hard!!

[nocturne pawn]

only time i really had a problem was bug weak lucian last month cuz his girafarig is on steroids

[versed meteor]

Well my dumbass finished csmm on Tuesday what do i do with the rest of my week

[steel kelp]

Bug also kinda lacking

[grand steppe]

Pre sync just requires different strategy. Post-sync has it's own strategy usually in providing def/healing/offensive debuffs.

[north crown]

The only hard part about dual dps is teambuilding for the offensive buffs and gauge for the team. Otherwise, it's stupidly easy in comparison to playing with said team.

[nocturne pawn]

i didnt even try to on type

[zealous karma]

I love bugsy!

[manic kiln]

bugsy noland is a dual dps bug team

[grand steppe]

You don't need to harp on somebody doing post-sync. You can just let me know how pre-sync functions, and what teams you build to facilitate them.

[zealous karma]

It’s super good

But I got SCIngo so I don’t use it as much

[manic kiln]

yeah like sync with bugsy and noland can just spam fury cutter

[nocturne pawn]

bugsy and dps do not belong in the same sentence

[north crown]

me when some people were surprised I got Guzma+Lusamine to work pre sync:

[steel kelp]

Who is this guzma you speak of

[north crown]

yeah Bug is in an ok spot due to the grid updates

[mellow linden]

Outside of Bug weak Lucian I run solo damage-dealer Lusamine on Bug weak stages, she does pretty great

[manic kiln]

that's your problem not his

[north crown]

Hoesntly, Bugsy's DPS isn't bad. It's not great, but it's not bad either.

[zealous karma]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1015843845008793690/1130382855227314256/IMG_5005.png

Bugsy DPS gaming

[paper summit]

3 sync buffs and zone...

[north crown]

+se...

[mellow linden]

Bug weak Lucian I gotta do Bugsy + Lusamine because Lucian basically says “no Sp. Atk. pairs allowed”

[zealous karma]

And mega!

[versed meteor]

Dead to hyper voice?

[nocturne pawn]

its on full health

[mellow linden]

Why would they be, the opponents has no Sync buffs

[north crown]

maybe, tho there's a good chance they dodge it due to max eva buffs

[north crown]

stupidly high parameters

[mellow linden]

Ah, I guess on a challenge run it’s possible for Hyper Voice to KO

[nocturne pawn]

also ive been sleeping on hala

with redlax its actually really smooth clears

[mellow linden]

Hala has been a pleasant surprise for my last 3 Ice weak Drake clears

[nocturne pawn]

its for ice weak in general

232bp on ice hammer is hilarious

[north crown]

• if you ex him, his nuke wipes the stage

[mellow linden]

I’m sure he’s great elsewhere too, I just haven’t run him outside of Ice weak Drake thus far

[manic kiln]

Both bugsy and noland dps is good

[steel kelp]

Well really how many ice stages are there

[mellow linden]

1 for each CS region, mainly

I switched to Hala for this Hoenn CS run because Irida shook things up for my Ice roster a little and I wanted to use her

[zealous karma]

I used HoliLeon and he did 20K to everything afyer supp ex so that was fun

[mellow linden]

I used to run Palentine’s Bea + Holiday Nessa + Candice and have switched out Candice for Irida on that setup

[steel kelp]

Understand got SS n recently so I decided to see how hard he’d murder drake

[mellow linden]

But the Irida version doesn’t work for Ice weak Drake as well, so Hala answered the call to action

[steel kelp]

I did PBea and HRosa with him

[nocturne pawn]

ngl on pasio cs its funny how they want you to use n and ghetsis together

[steel kelp]

I keep thinking I’ll have gauge problems with N but then he just becomes free and I don’t know what to do

[mellow linden]

See, me skipping N all the time is doing him a service because I’m keeping him as far away from Ghetsis as possible

[steel kelp]

I’m doing it because unova supremacy

even tho I skipped anni N cause I was poor at the time

[unreal radish]

Guess what I finished the 850 points runs on Hoenn CS

[steel kelp]

Neato

[mellow linden]

Congrats! If you want you can make a post about it in #1010274591601598555 with stuff like Hall of Fame screenshots or video recordings of your fights, and you can update it as needed. It’s pretty cool!

[nocturne pawn]

no one pays attention to mine anymore lol

it was cool for like a day

[unreal radish]

Gotcha

[mellow linden]

It’s still nice to have a compilation of all your clears to look back at, even if there’s not much interaction

[unreal radish]

I agree

[north crown]

I don't really do that anymore

It's been such a long grind, I don't find the need to do so.

[plush tangle]

people pay interest if you make interesting stuff, like challenges or just funny themes

[paper summit]

I only made one for peer pressure, then stopped caring after a month or so

[mellow linden]

I usually have brief comments on how my clears went

[plush tangle]

if it's just "hey i beat cs with my op units" nobody really care

[paper summit]

besides, I couldn't care less about meme challenges

[nocturne pawn]

eh fair

[plush tangle]

last week i beat CS without using trainer moves, it was fun

[nocturne pawn]

i mean last week i finally did toxic stall

but thats not notable regardless

wasnt fun for me either

[plush tangle]

toxic stall still is a super common strat

[paper summit]

it isn't fun to do, and it isn't fun to watch either

[plush tangle]

there's that guy who beats cs with 5 toxic stalls lol

[nocturne pawn]

well i didnt stream it or anything

[tired sleet]

I’m peer

[unreal radish]

Like in showdown stall isn't fun at least to go against

[nocturne pawn]

zzz maybe ill try some more outlandish stuff but then again my unit luck isnt that good

[paper summit]

funny how not even a stall video at 3x play speed or so is watchable

[grand steppe]

I use it to store my clears. ||and make fun of Dreamy||

[nocturne pawn]

brb gonna oleana toxic stall

[plush tangle]

always make fun of dreamy

[nocturne pawn]

can we make fun of him for shitting on archie

[plush tangle]

oleana toxic stall is so free

[nocturne pawn]

yeah its free until you have to use gunk shot

then it gets annoying

[plush tangle]

why

just spam venom drench

you don't care about your damage output if you toxic stall

[grand steppe]

I did a weird post-sync clear with Oleana, has like almost 4 syncs being used.

[plush tangle]

wtf

tf did you do

[steel kelp]

What’s the point of stalling if you’re gonna click damage moves

[grand steppe]

I stacked HP :>

[paper summit]

1/5 I assume? her 3/5 nuke is a bit nuts that even max HP shouldn't survive 2 syncs, granted she's tech so sides need to be dealt with as well

[grand steppe]

Yeah only 1/5 so far, waiting for datamine to see whats next

[paper summit]

no more techs for 2 months, pls and thank you

[plush tangle]

3 techs at anni

[grand steppe]

Stacking HP in CS to make my Enemeis Suffer for Longer
Stacking Strength in High Score to make myself Suffer for Longer

[unreal radish]

[junior crown]

Me!!

[unreal radish]

How much time it take to finish a battle at max score?

[junior crown]

And I don't do it for the fun, it's just to prove that it's ALWAYS a possibility, so if you have OP units use them, if you don't have OP units or don't have resources or instead of EXing or Candying a unit just for CS (yes we have some cases here that people did it just for CS), it's always a good backup plan

[unreal radish]

With poison stall I mean

[plush tangle]

Depends on the team, but around 10min i believe ? bit less ? i'm not sure I don't do it often

[junior crown]

never really counted

but for sure it takes less time than resetting a stage multiple times when you struggle in one specific opponent

[nocturne pawn]

the problem imo with using venom drench is that lowering speed means the enemy attacks less especially sides

but thats the only accessible option to lower offensive stats reliably so

[junior crown]

not true

venon drench is -1 per round

ghetsis can lower -2 per round for example

the same goes for Mina/OG Surge

[unreal radish]

Darach can lower attack and speed at same time

[nocturne pawn]

sorry i should say aoe offensive debuffs

but you’re right that theres other sources depending on if they’re mixed or only one damage type

[junior crown]

well the sides usually attacks only once for most of the battle in the beginning

[plush tangle]

if you do it right sides only attack 3 times iirc

[junior crown]

so -1 all takes 6 turns for mid -6, while the others is 3 turns for middle -6