Champion Stadium

[noble plaza]

oh true

[old orchid]

well use Roark then

[noble plaza]

but no flinch?

[old orchid]

you dont need flinch if sides die before they move

[noble plaza]

...fair enough

wouldn't flare blitz be a bit rough on Ingo though?

[old orchid]

under sand he is bulky enough to tank at least 2 FB

he also has Potion

[noble plaza]

ok

[river pagoda]

Ok nice that worked really well

Acerola flinch goated as always 😩 and Olivia's dps is p good for how old she is damn

[umbral crow]

Roark always dies before killing sides welp

[zealous karma]

Maybe bring a potion support instead

Hop and sonia are good supports

[umbral crow]

Experimented abit and this works!

Im suck at flinching anyway so why not focus on damage i thought to myself

[north crown]

damn what a unique team.. might try that this week

[umbral crow]

That is 750 pts if you dont know

This is my first csmm

[north crown]

that is pretty good for your first time, especially if you created a team like that

Never have I seen a new cs player attempt or make such an unorthodox, yet innovative team

props to you

it's not even a bad team either, as you cover all the offensive buffs

[umbral crow]

Thank you

[north crown]

Now I wonder if that team can tackle 2.5k with kukui flinching majority of the opponents' moves

[summer flare]

This week I managed to do the entire thing on monotype

It's still closer than I wish it was

But at least fire is fully solid now

[umbral crow]

Finally done my first csmm!
Total of 5,6k points, Adaman carries the most of it

[old orchid]

[desert berry]

[north crown]

well adaman is adaman

also @umbral crow if u ever want to push for more points in this week's csmm, don't use sycamore with physical grass DPS units

[toxic cobalt]

Absolutely classic Roark

[desert berry]

What’s a good offtype for Flint?

He’s so hard

[keen jasper]

What even is your team for him?

[desert berry]

Using Lana Olivia Bertha

No one EXed

My Olivia can’t even KO side enemies with sync

I tried going with Marnie Champ but even her sync can barely do anything

[toxic cobalt]

Normal Lana?

[keen jasper]

Have you try weakening the sides before syncing with Olivia?

[desert berry]

Yes was aiming for Torkoal

But she can’t even 1hit

[old orchid]

i would use a better tank than Lana

someone has Potion for example

[desert berry]

Will Syca work?

[old orchid]

i dont think so

[desert berry]

[old orchid]

no defense buffs, low heal in MM

[desert berry]

Ah that’s why

My heals aren’t that great

Ill try this team

[old orchid]

he has Wise Entry x2

so better use Cerena's Dark mode

[desert berry]

Ooh

[old orchid]

do you have Dark Zone setter?

[desert berry]

I just used CCalem

[keen jasper]

You've done Lucian right?

[desert berry]

With Lucian

[old orchid]

but no weather change

Flint might one shot your tank under sun

[desert berry]

Flint’s annoying

[keen jasper]

Rock-weak Flint should be easy-ish

[old orchid]

what move level is your Olivia?

[desert berry]

I have SS Cyrus

At 1/5

[old orchid]

1/5 Olivia?

[desert berry]

No she’s 3/5

Sorry didn’t get to read your message before replying oddly enough

[old orchid]

you can try Hilbert, Acerola and Olivia

Acerola has flinch so that you can buy time to kill sides

[desert berry]

I’ll try then after doing offtype

thanks!

Welp nvm barely does dmg

The offtype

[old orchid]

Cerena has low dps anyway

be sure to unselect no standard dmg reduction

[desert berry]

Oh wrong one

Ace and Hilb are not built

[keen jasper]

Low level too

[desert berry]

I can lvl them up but will that be enough? I think I need their grid more

[keen jasper]

Flint will definitely one shot Hilbert even under sandstorm

[desert berry]

Oh well I’ll settle for 7.5k for my first CSMM

[keen jasper]

Reset and try again

[desert berry]

Oh??

OH???

I forgot that was an option!!

OH I DEFEATED HIM!!

[keen jasper]

You had SS Diantha all this time?

[desert berry]

I did but she’s at 1/5…

[keen jasper]

Hmmmm

[desert berry]

[keen jasper]

That's 2.5k right?

[desert berry]

Yesss

Finally Cynthia

I used Sonia’s EX for lvl2 SYNC Buff

And managed to deal 38k crit for Olivia with her sync

[toxic cobalt]

[keen jasper]

Well whatever

[desert berry]

Um

How to setup Cynthia

[keen jasper]

Remove her sandstorm

[desert berry]

Using Cyrus as my main

How to remove…

[keen jasper]

Use another weather?

[desert berry]

Oh

[keen jasper]

That isn't sandstorm?

[desert berry]

How does that boost my striker though?

[old orchid]

you just need to replace sand

[keen jasper]

It just prevents you from taking more damage

[desert berry]

Oh okay

[old orchid]

Cyrus doesnt take advantage of weather when he is using Dragon moves

[desert berry]

Hmm

That’s why anni Steven and

[keen jasper]

The only dragon damage dealers that benefit from weather are Zinnia and Anni Raihan

[desert berry]

Zinnia

Oohh

I never tried using Zinnia but oh well

[keen jasper]

Anni Steven benefits the exact opposite from those two

He benefits from having no weather

[desert berry]

OH

[keen jasper]

And he's mainly flying DPS too

But I guess you can use him for Draco Meteor damage too

[desert berry]

Who to pair Zinnia with though

[old orchid]

a crit support

[keen jasper]

Do you have SS Morty?

[desert berry]

I do!

Just got him

But he’s at 1/5 though

[keen jasper]

Hmmmm, so that means, no Sunny Day MPR

No matter, at least he has TM MPR at 1/5

[desert berry]

[keen jasper]

Don't worry, Cynthia doesn't have Dust Kicker

[old orchid]

just battle Cynthia with R1 parameter

[keen jasper]

Oh yeah, forgot about that

[old orchid]

the third slot could be another dmg dealer or Lucas for Dragon Zone

[desert berry]

I sadly don’t have Lucas

And noted on that param

[keen jasper]

It could anyone really like a Sp. Atk. buffer for Zinnia

Her TM is pretty dangerous to herself since it lowers her own defensive stats for offensive buffs

[desert berry]

Will SS Brendan work?

[toxic cobalt]

1/5 units are often great!

[keen jasper]

Definitely

[desert berry]

I’ll be using Zin’s sync yes?

[keen jasper]

SS Brendan can also lower Sp. Def.

[keen jasper]

Is he EX?

I mean SS Brendan

[desert berry]

Yes she is from doing Villain Event

Oh yes he is

[keen jasper]

Then him first before Zinnia

[toxic cobalt]

Looks goood

What a stacked roster

[desert berry]

Wish me luck

Finally did it!! My first CSMM with max points

[keen jasper]

[desert berry]

Thanks a lot everyone!!

[old orchid]

congrats, but remember to post your clears in #1010274591601598555 next time

[desert berry]

Oh sorry. Was just too happy

Will remember

[north crown]

didn't expect sonia to work due to swift reaction preventing quadqueue

[desert berry]

I was just spamming everything and the next thing I know my 2nd sync was ready before Flint’s

[old orchid]

SS Diantha has sync accelerating anw

[toxic cobalt]

True quadqueue mastery

[swift swan]

i still rely on frantic tapping when i quadqueue

[pure haven]

I'm trying flint r1 with these teams, first one I can't quaeque for some reason and second one has bad gauge, what do?

Also, Olivia can't one shot sides so that's a problem too

[toxic cobalt]

Probably Sonia is blocking quadqueue

[hushed sorrel]

btw - is there a best order to do them in?

Ive done Bertha round one with Adaman

[pure haven]

How so?

[old orchid]

depends on your team

[hushed sorrel]

its just the team we discussed yesterday haha

BTW Melony is actually pretty cool lol

[old orchid]

her passive, Team Swift Reaction 9, is a reactive passive, which ruins quad queue

[pure haven]

I had no idea

Let me turn on the PC and send the supports I have and the ones I'm planning to use on the other fights

[pure haven]

Not really, it's just that I'm trying to take advantage of round 1 modifier but if that doesn't work I'll switch to something else

Man I wish hop had EX

Btw I know lucian has wise entry

[old orchid]

Bertha team doesnt have sand changer

[pure haven]

Gonna try cMarnie anyways and if that fails I'll switch to MR

Sand changer?

[old orchid]

replace Aaron with Hilbert in Olivia team

Bertha's gimmick is sand, you want to get rid of it

[pure haven]

But I'll loose damage with Olivia

[old orchid]

CMarnie is op as usual, but you can use Nessa for physical Dark

[old orchid]

Flint has average HP, so its not a problem

using Hilbert means faster setup

if you are afraid of quad queue ruining, just sync with Olivia first on the left to kill it before it moves

[pure haven]

Hmm

Then it would be Hilbert, Olivia and?

[old orchid]

Bertha

[pure haven]

a

[old orchid]

or any sand setter

i would use Acerola, since she has flinch

but thats my opinion

using Bertha means Hilbert tanks better

[pure haven]

Kk

[pure haven]

I just got confused because of this

[old orchid]

well that was opponent Bertha

[pure haven]

Yeah lol

[old orchid]

Victor doesnt need SC Steven's help

[pure haven]

Do you recommend EXing Hilbert?

[old orchid]

actually you can try that team first, and aim for first sync clear

Hilbert doesnt need EX to work, but it helps

[pure haven]

K

Gonna try later then

Tysm

[old orchid]

[grand trout]

Is tomorrow ice stadium

[rigid flint]

Nah

[grand trout]

When?

[rigid flint]

In a week

[grand trout]

That's too long!!!

On the other side hopefully i have irida by then

[sleek dawn]

Same

I rlly want her xd

[pure haven]

Yup, still can't do it

Hilbert straight up dies and right side kills Olivia before she can get one shot him

[old orchid]

what went wrong?

try Acerola instead of Bertha

[pure haven]

Do I sandstorm b4 or after sync?

[old orchid]

before sync ofc

just make sure sand is up when Olivia is about to sync

speaking of sync, is Olivia and Hilbert fully gridded?

[pure haven]

Yup

Maybe I'm using wrong grid tho

Let me send it

Also, should I candy acerola? I think not but

[old orchid]

she doesnt need dupes

all her important stuff are at 1/5

Sandstorm MPR and Astonish Aggravation

[pure haven]

Olivia and Hilbert

Don't haver vigilance on Hilbert's grid since I gave him lucky

Mb but I realized I f up after I gave it to him

[dusty yarrow]

Trust me, you dont want to be the idiot who wastes 2 Tech Candies on Acerola (which is me )

[old orchid]

taking Hilbert TM MPR is pointless

[pure haven]

[old orchid]

his TM maxes atk in 2 turns

[pure haven]

Do I take x speed acc?

[old orchid]

no need to

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/2000/50300?s=3&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBgcJDA8QGhwfISIkJg

i would use this

you can give up on Aggravation and pick TM Shielded for extra +2 def

[pure haven]

Like this? Still missing 4 energy tho

[old orchid]

remove the stat tile

wait, you picked Shielded

[pure haven]

Yup

I was already running shielded lol

[old orchid]

so give up on Aggravation

you cant pick both unless you remove Endurance

[pure haven]

But you told me to use this and give up on agg, I did that and that's how the grid ended

[old orchid]

i sent the aggra grid, and i told you you could go for shielded instead

[pure haven]

I already had shielded on the one I sent you

[old orchid]

[pure haven]

This one I mean

[old orchid]

this one uses both aggra and shielded

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/2000/50300?s=3&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBgcICQwPEBocHyEiIyY

but no endurance

it doesnt matter much

[pure haven]

Keep failing to this, Olivia dies to sides

Prolly gonna do off type at this point

[nocturne pawn]

i would say ex her but im guessing thats not an option

if acerola is alive by the time you ko mid try denials with acerola cuz she has a 60% flinch

[pure haven]

Tried that

But when I flinched right, left requeued and killed Olivia

[pure haven]

I mean I can just do it hard lvl 1 and get enough for EX

Off type solgaleo

How's that sound?

[soft gyro]

Are you using the uber offensive parameters

[pure haven]

I think? Let me check

Trying pre sync

[old orchid]

do you even have Steel Zone? Solgaleo sucks offtype without zone

try the pre sync set pinned here

[soft gyro]

Gradual healing is meh, even if on an uber offensive set

But yeah, no wonder your pairs keep dying, with all those power on hit

[old orchid]

replace atk up 3 and strength 1 with strength 2

[old orchid]

doesnt matter when mid dies and sides start using aoe

[old orchid]

less atk means Olivia can live more hits to buy time for flinch

[soft gyro]

From the way he wrote, he seemed to have issues with staying alive pre-sync

[old orchid]

thats why i also recommended removing atk up 3

[pure haven]

Nah

I start dying once I kill mid and sides do aoe

[old orchid]

you chose too many atk up params, thats why

[pure haven]

Kk, hope it's a params thing

[soft gyro]

Ah. Well, having olivia exed would already be better

But yeah, if you have too many atk params

[pure haven]

If everything fails I'll just hard lvl 1 an EX her

Then try again

[soft gyro]

Your defenses fall short

[pure haven]

What about using no weather param and doing post sync?

To bring a little bit more bulk instead of acerola

Idk at this point

[old orchid]

then you die to sun boosted hit

is Acerola gridded?

[pure haven]

Yup

[old orchid]

with aggra?

[pure haven]

But can they change weather even with the no weather param?

[pure haven]

Yeah

[old orchid]

they can

[pure haven]

That sucks

[grand steppe]

that param only affects you, not the opponent.

[pure haven]

I hate this game

I'm running out of ideas

[rigid flint]

Uh

Why do you have stat reductions off?

And why do you have atk and spatk ^ 5?

That increases the enemy's atk and spatk by a bunch and makes them do a ton of damage

[pure haven]

I'm trying pre sync

[rigid flint]

You should grab strength ^ 2 instead

[old orchid]

oh yeah i didnt notice that, should disable it off since your team has no debuff

wait i mean turn it on

[nocturne pawn]

atk 5 + strength 6 and 3 = pain

[rigid flint]

Yeahh

It's a lotta damage

[old orchid]

and turn on no stat debuff param and remove another atk 1

[grand steppe]

Hilbert has endurance, so it's mostly fine. I know he gets cooked in 2 attacks though.

[rigid flint]

Poor Hilbert

[grand steppe]

you just have to reset if flint and side opens with attack

[rigid flint]

Yeahh

Flint's a hard hitter

[grand steppe]

Is Hilbert or Olivia syncing first? Because I believe you'll need to quadQ if you actually want Olivia to sync 2nd.

[rigid flint]

I think they said they're trying to presync

So I assume they're syncing with Hilbert first then Olivia second

[grand steppe]

well they took out mid, so I assume they quadQ'd successfully

[pure haven]

I'm syncing with Hilbert and then Olivia

And doing quadq fine

[rigid flint]

So it's the sides that OHKO Olivia is it

[pure haven]

Copied the pinned params and changed strength 1 with no stat reduction, that okay?

[rigid flint]

Quick question

[grand steppe]

Since Olivia isn't EX, have you tried DPSing Left? I believe you should be able to deny it, by focusing it first and finishing it off after Hilbert syncs.

[rigid flint]

Are you using Olivia's TM?

[pure haven]

Yeah

[rigid flint]

Cos if you are, best not to

[pure haven]

Why?

[tribal agate]

it reduces her defenses

Hilbert can max her crit

[pure haven]

I need the acc up right?

[rigid flint]

She debuffs her spdef

[tribal agate]

eh not necessarily tbh

[old orchid]

i think using her TM once is enough

[pure haven]

That's what I've been doing

Hold on, gonna record what I'm doing

I think that's more helpful

[tribal agate]

yeah

your params look fine, but you can probably swap atk+3 to no stat reduction if you struggle with tanking

[swift swan]

Hilbert struggles with tanking period

[pure haven]

I copied what's on pinned now

And changes strength 1 with no stat reduction

[nocturne pawn]

hes really squishy for a support but he buff super fast so

[tribal agate]

pins are a template but ofc if your team has no debuffs to use then no stat reduction is free

[toxic cobalt]

He has emergency flinch

[swift swan]

Not all supports can tank but he's a damn good offensive buffer so I don't mind

And he can take a few hits

Not flare blitz definitely but a few hits

[tribal agate]

endurance helps a ton

[rigid flint]

Aren't quite a few offensive supports only pretty eh at tanking

[swift swan]

Means he can eat at least two!

[tribal agate]

enough to get that support sync going then he can go back to the bench

[rigid flint]

Inb4 he gets burned

[tribal agate]

happens way too often lmao

[swift swan]

If he dies before i can reach my 2nd sync i reset though

It ruins my queues

[swift swan]

Tanks a hit
Lives on endurance
Clicks a move, dies from sandstorm damage

[rigid flint]

😭

Such is the Hilbert life

[grand steppe]

Letting Hilbert die to Sandstorm damage allows you to queue more moves 🙂

[tribal agate]

"why isn't the enemy queuing?"

[pure haven]

I'm sad

[tribal agate]

hm

[grand steppe]

you need to Queue Astonish as the last move in your turn order.

[tribal agate]

is it me or something is wrong with that Olivia dmg

3k7 stone edge on type with support sync feels heck low

lemme check the params again

[grand steppe]

it's 0/20, and maybe not Lv. 140

[swift swan]

You're on the right track at least. Really nice flinch denials too

[pure haven]

She's 130 and 0/20

[swift swan]

But yeah that stone edge damage feels off

Idk why the sides look incredibly bulky too

[rigid flint]

Also I'd advise sticking to attacking one side only instead of rotating between both sides

[pure haven]

Yeah that was my bad

I was getting nervous and forgot to re focus right

[rigid flint]

Other than that everything seems fine so hmm

[pure haven]

[nocturne pawn]

if only this week was increased effects from moves

[rigid flint]

It's all g it happens

[swift swan]

Ok just checked pomatools. Sides have bulky Hp too

[pure haven]

[tribal agate]

hm

i'm trying to think maybe less STR then

[swift swan]

So i guess 3.7k doing only a third of their HP bar makes sense. But that damage after 3 sync buffs... Does not

[grand steppe]

So, queue Astonish last. Using it 2nd is going to mess up the order greatly.
After you see you flinched the enemy wait to queue with Acerola last.

[swift swan]

If they can keep up that flinch luck, it won't hurt going full attack

[pure haven]

Already went full attack, didn't end well lol

[tribal agate]

you'd need to get Endurance on Hilbert's grid

but your team didn't take any dmg apart from sides so it's worth a shot probably

https://i.imgur.com/4daKCXg.mp4

wdyt nov

maybe less str still

[swift swan]

I so damn wish i could pause a gif rn

Give me a moment

[swift swan]

Looks good. Strength 5 is what i usually use nowadays

[tribal agate]

well it's STR 6 here

[rigid flint]

Wait that's a lot of defense

[pure haven]

Flinch last, see if they flinch, if they flinch do I que flinch again or wait to do it last?

[swift swan]

Oh right

Hmm

[tribal agate]

sides rn have 13.5k HP and Flint has 27k

[pure haven]

And what about doing post sync? Or that's not an option?

[tribal agate]

it might be yes

well

[swift swan]

Well there's not much else you can take i suppose

[grand steppe]

Notice, How I wait to queue with Acerola after they've flinched. I check to see if the enemy is using a move or a trainer move. Ignore that I sync'd with Hilbert again, I only did so because my Olivia is EX, so I was emualting what you have.

[tribal agate]

all in all i don't have much faith in 0/20 130 Olivia if i'm being honest

[pure haven]

It's the only rock type I have

[swift swan]

Here's an idea

[tribal agate]

notice the 5k4 stone edges there

[swift swan]

Do flint on R3 so you get more boost from support sync

Yes you lose out on perma sandstorm but that can help olivia's damage

[pure haven]

It wouldn't hurt

[swift swan]

This is what I did when rock-weak flint first came around and my olivia wasn't EXd

[tribal agate]

tbf, your difference in PU is what made it possible

litteraly one move from that side and your run was dead

and their Stone Edge deals only 70% of your dmg

so they can't 2 tap sides

[grand steppe]

yeah, the video was more to demo what to do with flinch

[tribal agate]

yeye ofc but i wouldn't stress too much on Olivia if she can't make it, she's a beta pair after all, her whole appeal even back in 2k was the sync move, so it's not surprising she struggles in 2k5 when unbuilt

we might need to consider off type possibilities if you have any Weel

[grand steppe]

Roark gaming

[tribal agate]

Flint's team has reduced flinch resist no?

spam aggravate rock slide

gaming

[grand steppe]

Flinch Mitigation I think only affects the duration

if only you didn't need to worry about the weather

[pure haven]

Okok

Let me turn on my PC and send my strikers

[tribal agate]

i went in the CS with Elio thinking it was Hilbert and BP Acerola

wtf

[pure haven]

Lol

[tribal agate]

ok the rock slide strat was much better in my head but turns out maybe it wasn't the best idea to put a low acc move scale off sandstorm

[swift swan]

Unbuilt? Did i miss something? Weel has 3/5 Olivia right

2/5 at least since i see inertia and sand blaster

[tribal agate]

well

when i meant unbuilt i meant 0/20 and not 140

[swift swan]

Oh okay

[tribal agate]

i mean her sync dmg is her appeal after all

[swift swan]

I don't think 0/20 is that big of a difference. I did 2k flint with non-EX Olivia (but the sync buffs do more damage param greatly helped) so 2.5k shouldn't be much of a difference. Mine was lv 140 though

[pure haven]

Still remember when I pulled Olivia back in release and she was goated, now I'm struggling to use her

[swift swan]

Hence i suggested weel take on Flint r3 instead

[pure haven]

[swift swan]

Olivia has never failed to disappoint me

Wow esl moment

[tribal agate]

well the difference is EX makes sides go boom

[pure haven]

Yeah

[swift swan]

Has never failed to impress was what i meant to say lmao

[swift swan]

Back in those days i DPS'd the sides and only took on flint on my 2nd sync

(again, with the help of support sync and the sync buff parameter)

[pure haven]

I was thinking on keep doing cs and gather enough to EX her

[rotund lagoon]

Despite me having SC Hilda, Olivia is still good for me whenever I use her

[pure haven]

I'm at 30 champion spirit

[grand steppe]

does your olivia have cs2?

[tribal agate]

if Olivia was good enough we wouldn't be here, their gameplay is fine

yeah she does it's on the video

[pure haven]

Yup

[swift swan]

Low on champion spirits? I guess that's common for newcomers nowadays given the high income

Well let's see your physical offtype options then

[pure haven]

I'm EX'ing one pair per week atm

Oh shoot

Right

[swift swan]

If you want to offtype, that is

[nocturne pawn]

now im running into that p up drought

cuz lodge decided to be a jerk

[pure haven]

Don't mind doing off type as long as I can clear 2.5k lol

[grand steppe]

I'm sure you could've gotten another sync in, if you had properly staggered them post-sync.

[pure haven]

All my units and the ones I'm planning to use

Ignore cMarnie, I know Lucian has wise entry

[nocturne pawn]

CMarnie brute forces anyway

but i think masked royal could work for flint?

[tribal agate]

do you really need SC Steven for Bertha?

honestly i'd just swap Acerola for SC Steven lmao

wait

mm sun yeah

don't make me say support erasure

damn is it worth tho

[swift swan]

Olivia will take many turns buffing herself tho

[tribal agate]

yeah but

can we gamble Acerola for SC Steven

[swift swan]

...uh

[tribal agate]

you lose the weather and Flint gets his sun (on R3 for not infinite)

but

you gain a rebuff, -6 def, seup, pmun

[swift swan]

Idk, sand blaster 5 is a thing

[tribal agate]

sand blaster vs all i quoted?

[swift swan]

How much does a rebuff and -6 def compare to 50% on sync, genuinely asking

[tribal agate]

rebuff is 1.3x already

[swift swan]

Hmmm ok

[tribal agate]

and don't forget SEUP

i'll leave the math to Sages

[grand steppe]

-6 is ~25% more damage

[tribal agate]

the PMUN will also immensely help for sides

[swift swan]

Switch acerola with sc steven then i suppose

[tribal agate]

on R3 tho don't give him infinite Sun

[pure haven]

Kk

And who do I put to replace scSteven?

[swift swan]

And you can even take no weather for less bulk

[tribal agate]

Selene
jk

[swift swan]

Do you have a weather setter to remove bertha's sand

Ss erika is ideal

[nocturne pawn]

victor wants a kekwalk setter right

or is he 1/5

i didnt see

ok he is 1/5 ignore me

yeah just use a weather user on bertha

[tribal agate]

Bulurola would have been nice

[swift swan]

On the other hand, hilbert will probably get 3 shotted so it'll be reset heavy and pray they use a lot of TMs on the first cycle

[pure haven]

She's with ssRed tho

[tribal agate]

yeah i know

but i'm trying to weight if that SSRed team needs that overkill

it's good for his Haymaker

[swift swan]

Victor + ss erika + hop? How's the gauge tho

[tribal agate]

they don't have SS Erika

that i see

[pure haven]

I do

[tribal agate]

OH

she's at the very top with the 4* pairs wtf

[pure haven]

Idk tracker's weird sometimes

K

Gonna do R1 Aaron

R2 uhhh

Idk

[tribal agate]

R2 probably Bertha

[pure haven]

R3 Flint

[swift swan]

You can sort them based on type, role, region etc

[nocturne pawn]

its grouping the characters together

from what i can see

[tribal agate]

ah ok

[swift swan]

Oh this is definitely region based

Wait nvm it is not

[pure haven]

I pre sync with Aaron r1 right?

[tribal agate]

yeah very easily

SS Red will go to town with Bulurola and Lucian

even at 1/5

[nocturne pawn]

eg lana and ss lana are together

[nocturne pawn]

i thought so too until i saw bertha and aaron next to sonia

[tribal agate]

would be better if you had him 2/5 tho to make use of Bulu's atk buffs

[swift swan]

[pure haven]

I can candy

[tribal agate]

no

attempt first

[pure haven]

Ok

[tribal agate]

if problems, we can review here

[pure haven]

Wait should I get him to lvl 140?

He's 130

[tribal agate]

no but i'd get that Victor to 130

[pure haven]

Aaron didn't die to red's sync

It did like 10k

Prolly failed crit

[swift swan]

Probably. But also don't expect much from a 1/5 red sync

[tribal agate]

well he's 1/5 and a striker

[swift swan]

You rely on blast burn

[pure haven]

Yeah I'm doing blast burn spam

[swift swan]

1/5, no sync multipliers, mega penalty

[tribal agate]

and a flare blitz on sides to make use of those glorious pmuns lmao

at the very end ofc

[swift swan]

I can see it already, he's gonna off himself, glorious

[nocturne pawn]

someone got 91k with flare blitz in #poma-lounge the other day

23k recoil was funny to see

[tribal agate]

lol

[keen jasper]

I'm still waiting for 200k+ damage on Flare Blitz with 60k+ recoil

[swift swan]

Can ss red grid expansion give him recoil removal so i can actually use flare blitz

[nocturne pawn]

no

i wouldnt want to use it anyway cuz its still worse than blast burn anyway

[sick inlet]

Why flare blitz when they can power up blastburn even furher and nuke

Imagine Blast burn extended range-

[tribal agate]

and this is how we get Flare Blitz : InertiaRamming Speed and Flare Blitz : SuperDuper Effective 7

[nocturne pawn]

give him solarize and drought alert 3

[nocturne pawn]

you mean ramming speed?

[tribal agate]

yes i'm tired

[sick inlet]

The point is there

[tribal agate]

[swift swan]

In case there's a wise entry fire stage someday and I don't wanna use silver

It's like how i click on cblue's double edge sometimes

[old orchid]

Flare Blitz: Recoil Removal 4

[dark osprey]

Hopefully not recoil removal 3 or something

[nocturne pawn]

does aerodactyl mega evolve

[old orchid]

Hugh moment

[nocturne pawn]

i forgor

[old orchid]

Yes

[sick inlet]

Ngl Silver is so good with Sacred fire too

And nuke goes brrrr

[swift swan]

Since you know, i buff attack for haymaker anyway. Might as well make it count for DPS too

[nocturne pawn]

oh his mega gets recoil removal 9

[sick inlet]

Is removal 9 basically 100%?

[old orchid]

Yes

[tribal agate]

huh

[cinder summit]

Recoil Removal 9

Negates recoil damage when using moves that have the recoil effect tag.

Sync Pairs with Passive:

Blue (Classic) & Aerodactyl
Raihan & Duraludon

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[nocturne pawn]

passives start at 20% for activation chance

like how stoic 1 has a 20% proc

[tribal agate]

how is it removal if it's only 50% chance DeNA

[nocturne pawn]

a minor amount of trollint

[sick inlet]

I think it's not a chance in this case but how much it removes?

Confusion

[nocturne pawn]

it is a chance of just negating it

[sick inlet]

I don't use recoil users

[tribal agate]

it's a chance

[sick inlet]

After that one time Zard 1 shoted itself with flare blitz

I never use reocil

Recoil*

Screw that

[old orchid]

Why did you use Flare Blitz tho

On Redzard

[swift swan]

It used to just be recoil removal and completely negates recoil. But then dena introduced hugh and his ridiculous coin flip gimmick

[sick inlet]

I don't recall it was so long ago

[nocturne pawn]

the only time i used flare blitz was for a cobalion clear last lg with hilda

[dark osprey]

Sync countdown reduction

[nocturne pawn]

you could’ve just used heat wave

[old orchid]

Recoil users like Elesa and BP Soph dont care about recoil at all Praise Standfast 9

[swift swan]

Darach my beloved

[sick inlet]

Me who uses their weaker moves because screw all recoil

I think Darach is the only recoil user I used actually

Because...

He has no other attack moves

His nuke and whole kit is so good to not use him in certain stages

Also gives you free points in champion stadium if you really need em.

[formal vigil]

Raihan recoil isn't bad at all

[sick inlet]

what is that unit, a pokefair that I never will pull

[dark osprey]

Advanced gaming

[nocturne pawn]

raihan is actually good though

he outheals the recoil with his tm cuz it has gradual healing

[dark osprey]

How's lodge Gloria?

[nocturne pawn]

iirc she has standfast 9 innate

[tribal agate]

really strong for on type since she's focused on that

[cinder summit]

Gloria & Thwackey

Standfast 9:

Reduces recoil damage received from using moves that have the recoil effect tag.

First Aid 4:

Restores the user's HP by approximately 40% of its maximum HP the first time it is in a pinch each battle.

Super Preparation 4:

Has a chance (50%) of applying the Supereffective ↑ Next effect to the user when its move is successful.

Themes:

Grass | Galar | Main Character
Cook

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[tribal agate]

with SEUP a lot

[dark osprey]

Ah. Have heard she's good on type. Is recoil an issue at any point?

[nocturne pawn]

bro why does she have standfast 5 on grid

[nocturne pawn]

she has standfast 9 innate

[manic kiln]

lodge gloria is very strong for a lodge unit, she destroyed that grass weak special CS

[dark osprey]

Nice. Was also surprised by lodge sycamore

But kinda needs that regular sycamore to support I guess

[manic kiln]

someone mention og raihan but his lodge unit is decent too, works really well with perma field parameter

[dark osprey]

For CS I found him a bit weird to use but LG he's decent I guess

[nocturne pawn]

i despise the fact he doesn’t buff crit

[dark osprey]

And cannot set sand again

[nocturne pawn]

cant run triple raihan or else everyone is stuck at +2

[manic kiln]

yeah no crit is the only drawback

he's like the only rock unit that can set sandstorm, others are all ground, egg kabutops doesn't count

oh forgot emmet, 3/5 can set sand 1st sync

but no pair with sandstorm as a move

[formal vigil]

Not all of them are ground anni raihan and accerola

[nocturne pawn]

well sandstorm is a rock move but its more synonymous with ground types

excadrill and garchomp being the main examples

[old orchid]

It boosts spdef of Rock type tho

So technically Rock type's weather

[long thicket]

Fire Aaron is definitely evil...

[nocturne pawn]

gotta watch out for megahorn

shit hurts

[long thicket]

Healing + preventing KOs not only for him but the partners is just mean.

[nocturne pawn]

wait where does he heal

[formal vigil]

First aid 2

[nocturne pawn]

oh i just completely nuked his ass

[mellow linden]

Fire weak Aaron is somewhat team dependent, I suppose. A Power Boosted EX Silver should be able to nuke the whole field, for example

[long thicket]

Won with an EX support.

But it was close.

Picked two strikers, which might not've been the smartest thing, but I needed to try, I guess.

But yeah, pretty sure they also prevent K-Os from high damage.

[old orchid]

Bringing sun is better if you are using a nuker

[long thicket]

So have Blaine and just have him sit there afterwards.

Oh wow, Shauna's sync makes quite the damage on Bertha...

And I like how I can save on EXing Victor because he already got a free EX sync with Dynamax.

[versed meteor]

What tf is Bertha health this week 50k?

She like refuses to fucking faint

[sick inlet]

What you using?

[nocturne pawn]

bertha’s hp is normal

iirc

[versed meteor]

I used ss morty, lana, mallowwith the sun power whip set doing only 4k after support sync

Then i used ss erika, ss mory and dawn but even then ss erika was doing 5k after support sync

But bertha was alive for a very long time

[old orchid]

You might have chosen physical dmg reduc param

[nocturne pawn]

bertha died to ss erika’s first sync

[nocturne pawn]

^^

[versed meteor]

Nope was sure it was on special damage reduction

[pure haven]

Man this week's cs has been a real headache

And I'm just at r3

[nocturne pawn]

last week was so much worse

[pure haven]

Bug weak Lucian

[versed meteor]

Did 2 support ex sync then used guzma sync still did not knock out lucian

[nocturne pawn]

use bugsy

as in beedrill

his nuke is actually good

[pure haven]

@tribal agate Sorry for ping bro but I did it! Flint R3 was the trick

Olivia did 34k with sync tho

[mellow linden]

Well not so much sit there as acting as a triple queue bot outside of setting Sun

[grand steppe]

Well Guzma off-type is not that good, did you have Bug Zone, who was the 2nd DD?
His only multiplier is Critastrophe 2. (give this man a grid expansion )

[pure haven]

Wait Cynthia was easy af with Cyrus wth

And I was scared because of half sync cd

Welp, 12.5k done, time to relax 'till next week

[main crow]

CYRUS SWEEP

[nocturne pawn]

this was payback for traumatizing me with spiritomb

[pure haven]

Yeah, I was surprised to see sides getting like 14k+ damage with sync lol

Ice cs is next week and I only have Pryce and non EX Ghetsis

Hopefully I'll get ssN

[nocturne pawn]

dont have hala?

[pure haven]

Nope

I'm missing a lot from Alola

Prolly gonna do a lot of off type

[versed meteor]

Does Cynthia have ground sync or dragon sync?

[main crow]

Ground

[versed meteor]

Perma field effect ss Diantha is just unfair

[zealous karma]

How did she get to post sync

[versed meteor]

2/5

Has the soothing sand and the other stuff to recover health in rock zone

[zealous karma]

I dont think that changes much lel she should be able to pre sync freely lel

you are triple queuing correctly right?

[nocturne pawn]

my question is why use mespirit

[versed meteor]

Oh thats what you mean

Don't bother wanted to enjoy wearing them down

Thats why mespirit instead of some good support

[tribal agate]

Gg! Was it with Steven or Acerola?

[pure haven]

Steven

Had some troubles with Bertha down the line, but changing hop with Aaron for sync buff x2 worked

[main crow]

hey does anyone remember the last time we have Hoeen CS?

[paper summit]

December, you can check previous CS instances in pomatools

[radiant wigeon]

Is olivia good as dps for CS hard lv1?

[zealous karma]

yes

[grand trout]

Has anyone tried to use Gordie for flint this week

Better yet, can Gordie nuke flint

[tired sleet]

I’m sure he can at 3/5 with adequate support
But his DPS is quite lacking, so unless you have someone like Ingo to run a dual strike while removing sun, I feel there are better options

[noble plaza]

I'm having a bit of trouble with Flint R2. Should I perhaps save him for Round 3? Or maybe stick with Round 2 because I'm using Olivia

[noble plaza]

Nevermind, gridding Adrenaline on Ingo and having Kukui helped!

[north crown]

yeah adrenaline on Ingo allows for 2 syncs pre-opponent sync

[noble plaza]

Yep

Should I use Sacred Fire Silver for R4 Aaron? It recommends lowering his special defense

[zealous karma]

I don’t usually pay attention to the game telling you to do smth, it’s just trying to tell you to use Ani N who lowers SpDef lel

[noble plaza]

[civic trellis]

All the tips in CS do is lie

[north crown]

According to the pins, it's only because Aaron buffs defenses, which would reduce the effectiveness of debuffs unless you cancel out those buffs with even more debuff procs.

[zealous karma]

It tells you to use kahili and blue for koga in Johto CS

[noble plaza]

ohhh

Actually I'm kind of having trouble deciding who to bring to this fight.
I have Silver (non-EX) and I have 1/5 SS Lysandre, but I don't know who to bring to support. I'm tempted to bring a support EX for the sync buff but I don't know how much it's needed. I'm also not sure if I should let Silver's sync handle sun or just have a sun setter.
I already used Adaman, Mallow, Dawn, Kukui. Olivia, Ingo, Sidney, Masked Royal, and Aaron

[north crown]

double support buff into sun boosted gmax flare from Leon

or one supp ex buff. works fine too.

[noble plaza]

do I use the sync move for the buff?

or do you mean buffed stats?

[tired sleet]

Yeah use a support ex sync for the buff

[noble plaza]

got it! I already used Ingo, Aaron, and Dawn. Which one would be my best choice here?

[north crown]

crap... SSBlue is the only other choice you got to help quickly max leon's offensive buffs

might not even be enough since you would want to turn deny LS due to SSBlue's passive denying quadqueue

[tired sleet]

He has adrenaline at 2/5

[noble plaza]

I was able to do it with SS Blue!

[zealous karma]

nice

[versed meteor]

Imagine demanding for physical dark type in the frog meta

[pure haven]

How's looking for next week?

I'm no longer white

[versed meteor]

I love debuff spam teams

The team hp bar was still green

[swift swan]

flint is quite anti-special with all his sp atk debuffs but i think you'll be fine

just be careful with his stat buffs

[pure haven]

Yeah

[keen jasper]

Your Aaron team is pretty..... Ufffff

[swift swan]

that cynthia team is alright, but if you tank with sonia, most likely she'll ruin quadqueue. but if you don't tank with sonia, it's hard to buff bea's speed

[pure haven]

I did water weak Flint with the exact team and did it fine

[pure haven]

I know

I'm in a dilema with that team

[keen jasper]

Who will you sync on your Aaron team?

[pure haven]

Prolly Aaron and then Bea to sync nuke

Those are all my suports and techs, minus the ones on the last screenshot

[keen jasper]

Wut?

[pure haven]

Wdym

[swift swan]

aaron already covers bea's attack and crit buffs. how about just marley for speed

[swift swan]

talking about your cynthia team btw

[pure haven]

Yeah

Haven't used Marley yet

Welp, there's a first time for everything

Do I give Marley vigilance?

[keen jasper]

I was asking on your Aaron team, who will sync there? Like your team against Aaron

[pure haven]

OHHH

I thought you meant my team that has Aaron lol

Mb

Hmm

I was thinking on Hau and Raichu since I already have him built around sync nuke

Sync first with cBede obviously

[keen jasper]

That won't even be enough

[pure haven]

U sure?

[keen jasper]

Yeah, Aaron has Heal order before his 1st sync

[pure haven]

Ffs

[swift swan]

Hau can beat the stage pre-EX

[pure haven]

28k hp

[swift swan]

as long as he's built around sync nuke

just have electric terrain up

[pure haven]

I can EX him tho

[old orchid]

he doesnt need EX

[pure haven]

I have 100 champion spirits

Okok

[old orchid]

the team is fun, but you want to ensure terrain is up when OG Hau is about to sync

[pure haven]

Hmm

[keen jasper]

Even SS Hau's ET extension, it won't last until the 2nd sync

[pure haven]

I wonder if electric terrain will remain tho

Oh well, I'll leave this to future Weel

[old orchid]

if there is perma field param next week, its fine

if not, use Volkner then

[keen jasper]

We already had this week

[pure haven]

For terrrain u mean?

[keen jasper]

So I don't think that will happen

[old orchid]

yes

[old orchid]

we had same params in a row before

[keen jasper]

When was that?

[toxic cobalt]

Sides go boom to SS Brock aoe

[swift swan]

there was a time last year when we got half sync countdown 4 weeks in a row

[undone ether]

@heady trail soooo

uhhh

what are your sync pairs currently?

SS Leaf?

[heady trail]

i managed to beat her!

[undone ether]

Oh noice

[heady trail]

ss erika, sycamore andddd skyla

just flinched her and killed her before she could sync

now crafting my aaron team

just put red to 3/5

SS Red

[undone ether]

uh

[heady trail]

this is my first time doing 2500 runs (idk if I can do flint tho bc i dont have a good rock damage dealer)

[undone ether]

with candies?

do you have anyone else?

[heady trail]

not really

[undone ether]

hum.

[heady trail]

would red not be good enough

[undone ether]

depends on his team.

[heady trail]

using him with ss morty 1/5

[undone ether]

that actually works.

Hmm

but will need 2/5

who else u got?

[heady trail]

and was gonna use sonia to get his attack up

i do have a candy i could use

[old orchid]

SS Morty doesnt need candy

anyone that can buff him to +6 atk is fine

personally i would save Sonia for another team

[undone ether]

did you post your roster yet?

o.o

[heady trail]

my cynthia team is lucas cyrus brendan

[keen jasper]

Most damage dealers these days either buff their offensive stats to 4 or max

[undone ether]

uh

is that SS Brendan?

[heady trail]

and idk for flint, dont rly have a good rock option

yeah sry

[old orchid]

there is no weather unit there, since Cynthia sets up sand

and you need to replace it

[heady trail]

ah

[undone ether]

definitely SS Morty for there

[old orchid]

can you show us your roster by using this site?

+tracker

[frozen depot]

https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker/

For newcomers/beginners, check the video below on how to properly showcase your pairs : https://i.imgur.com/A0XcAgZ.mp4

[undone ether]

aye use the tracker

and then photoshop anyone you've used already.

[old orchid]

just tell us who you have used

[undone ether]

or post it here i guess

o-o

[heady trail]

i have it on my pc, currently at work killing time so i will come back and theorycraft later, ill just hold off for now

lucian and bertha are done

[undone ether]

Olivia should be able to handle Rock.

unless you dont have her or something @_@

[old orchid]

just wait for them to post their roster

[heady trail]

I have her but only 2/5

[old orchid]

its fine, she can nuke at 2/5 already

[reef raptor]

I finally defeated bertha

Last one I need is Aaron

[undone ether]

with what team?

[old orchid]

is this hard mode?

[reef raptor]

Yes

[old orchid]

what types are you still missing?

[old orchid]

can you post your roster here? we can help you building teams for Aaron and Cynthia

[heady trail]

you must really enjoy teambuilding gakon

[reef raptor]

These are the other teams i used btw

[old orchid]

thats helpers' job, helping people building teams

[swift swan]

silver is still available at least. but fire is already filled

[old orchid]

you dont need to show us their potential, we want to know their move level

[reef raptor]

Ah

Well

[old orchid]

if you have time, you can fill in the tracker

+tracker

[frozen depot]

https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker/

For newcomers/beginners, check the video below on how to properly showcase your pairs : https://i.imgur.com/A0XcAgZ.mp4

[old orchid]

or just take screenshot of the move level menu

[hushed sorrel]

question - if my team is just way too weak, and I quit the battle. Will I still be able to re-enter with same pokemon?

[old orchid]

yes

you can quit to change or adjust your team

[hushed sorrel]

cool cool

might just go with no grid first

ok Gakon that Bea team is not holding up ay hahaha

need to change tac

[old orchid]

whats that team again?

[hushed sorrel]

Bea Aaron Sycamore

vs Aaron

I didnt grid the Bea though

the damage is so low Im questioning whether the grid would make that much diff

and Sycamore dies after 1st sync

I dont know maybe I should try split it across 2 weeks to open masters to make it easier for myself

[old orchid]

she might need Inertia gridded at least

[hushed sorrel]

ok will Bea be used for other fights?

[old orchid]

also only use Aaron TM once, then spamming Defend Order

no i didnt mean that

[hushed sorrel]

I dont have much orbs and I dont want to invest if I wont use her

lol

[old orchid]

but you still need Fighting medal

are you totally fine with unlocking MM next week?

[hushed sorrel]

I dont know whats the diff haha

whats the upside here

[old orchid]

you get more rewards by doing MM this week

[hushed sorrel]

but is BEA like usable for other things?

I hope I dont just grid her once haha

[old orchid]

you should still try beating Aaron with her partly gridded

just grid the tiles in the path to Inertia

[hushed sorrel]

there is this one

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/25000/86500?s=3&l=140&r=6&p=0&a=13010602&g=AAECAwQFBgkMDxAeISQ

[sinful garden]

bea will be your go-to for almost all fighting stages

investing in her is worth it

[hushed sorrel]

ok taking your word

I mean I kinda like the white duck

[old orchid]

next week also has Fighting weak stage

so yeah grid her and try again then

[hushed sorrel]

Im doing this grid

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/25000/86500?s=3&l=140&r=6&p=0&a=13010602&g=AAECAwQFDA4PEB4hJCgrLS4

[old orchid]

that grid seems good but you should take off Sharp Entry when you pair her with other crit buffer like Aaron this time

[hushed sorrel]

so you think Aaron just do the buff once and spam defend?

Aaron only gives 1 crit though

I do it twice its still 2

[old orchid]

Bea has innate Sharp Entry 2

[hushed sorrel]

o sheet

ok

so I will add that tile to sync 25

O dang the grid made huge difference lol

So lycanroc, skyla, bertha against flint

does anyone need a grid

[old orchid]

which Lycanroc?

[hushed sorrel]

Olivia

[old orchid]

yes she needs grid

[hushed sorrel]

I think we discussed I need it

its 3/5