Champion Stadium

[tribal agate]

no worries lol

[plush tangle]

/j

[tribal agate]

anyway yeah either we somehow secure the Vigilance for Aaron

but in worse case, don't worry as stall is really a tried and proof'd strat, it will come in use so it's not a waste

[hidden monolith]

Okay!

So gotta wait for tomorrow

to get cookies

[tribal agate]

as for right now with Olivia ugh

i just don't see anything

[plush tangle]

People already did full CSMM with just toxic stall in the past

[hidden monolith]

do i use any stnc moves with this team?

[nocturne pawn]

uh not really?

[hidden monolith]

oke

[nocturne pawn]

i mean

obviously sync whenever possible

[tribal agate]

the goal is just survival and having opponents die to poison

[nocturne pawn]

but it doesn’t matter that much as to who you sync with

poison + trap is supposed to do the most damage

[hidden monolith]

can chesnaught maybe tank better?

[tribal agate]

not really

[hidden monolith]

its 3/5

[tribal agate]

as a sidenote

https://i.imgur.com/3Ml6Omk.png

[nocturne pawn]

aaron has on demand def buffs

[tribal agate]

you should really invest into that pair at some point

[plush tangle]

skyla busted

[hidden monolith]

Shes ugly

[plush tangle]

when you try to win you don't only use your favs

[hidden monolith]

correct! bug types are weird!

[tribal agate]

keep this grid in mind somewhere

you'll throw your at her to make her 4*

she is a potion machine and speed buffer, among other things when you get candies

very good support for early game

[hidden monolith]

I seriously hate the unova region so much

[plush tangle]

too bad it has some of the best f2p units

[tribal agate]

well jokes aside, try to get those cookies through Villa if you can by the end of the week

[pure haven]

I DID IT
Tysm to all the people who helped me specially @tribal agate I can't express enough how grateful I am omg

[tribal agate]

Gg!

lmao the ping 😭

[plush tangle]

dead bot kek

[pure haven]

Yeah I f up the ping lol

[nocturne pawn]

and then theres cheren

[plush tangle]

some

not all

[nocturne pawn]

i know

[hidden monolith]

I'll invest into her

Ping

jdjskdjxjd

[tribal agate]

keep in mind the Vigilance for Aaron fingers crossed you get it

it might be your only way to clear Olivia at this moment, but i'll ask others their opinion

[hidden monolith]

how low is the chance to get vigilance

[plush tangle]

uuuh isn't aaron rock weak

not that great on olivia

[nocturne pawn]

12.5%

[pure haven]

I'm not proud of this one in particular

[nocturne pawn]

well he got spanked with earth power

and if its not a crit hes probably living it anyway

[tribal agate]

ye it's hard mode

the Aaron is also lowish level due to lack of XP books

[hidden monolith]

I should've kept xerneas omfg

I'm feeling like there's nothing else I can really focus on besides that

maybe LA? but im bad at it

[nocturne pawn]

LA isnt that hard if you know what the gimmicks are

besides latias and like cress

[tribal agate]

check pins in #1009562367803261078

we have playlists for extremely beginner runs (third pin) that you can use as templates

[hidden monolith]

I fully cleared latios, tornadus and bulu

[nocturne pawn]

latias is pretty free if you have ghetsis and a unit with piercing gaze

otherwise its hell

or piercing blows but thats probably even less accessible

[hidden monolith]

that's just chinese for me (I don't know chinese)

[formal vigil]

you don't need piercing gaze just bring accuracy buffers

[plush tangle]

#1009562367803261078

[hidden monolith]

ok!

[brazen fable]

Oi

[pure haven]

Mb Mb

Intended to ping dream sorry

[brazen fable]

Only the old mods if they are still can ping me uwu

[brave halo]

Just like before for week 5, just really quick and not gonna want to cause trouble, this team good or bad? Cynthia will be ex next week too before this

[swift swan]

I don't really see what cynthia contributes there

[rotund lagoon]

That’s Support Cynthia

[tribal agate]

ok i'm too tired enough for the day LMAO

disregard, sorry i deleted to not cause confusion

this was ice weak i'm stuck on ground for this week😭

[keen jasper]

What fight is this for?

[tribal agate]

it's Kahili Ice i presume

[swift swan]

ice-weak

[rotund lagoon]

Still, not sure about this team tbh

[swift swan]

well... kali buffs the sp atk, cynthia buffs the crit. I can see the reasoning. but I'd rather find a support that can give both sp atk and crit

[void wyvern]

Torchic

[rotund lagoon]

Also gauge issues? I think?

[keen jasper]

Brendantios and Pryce

[swift swan]

gauge issues later on, I bet

[swift swan]

pryce

[void wyvern]

Gauge issues will be a thing. Also have to decide if Ghetsis will buff his own stats, or if noble roar will be used as overpower/pecking order is a lot of his damage

[swift swan]

ghetsis + special support + someone to lower speed more reliably maybe?

I am Not relying on glaciate for speed debuffs

should've had double drop as a yellow tile smh

[void wyvern]

They should’ve

[keen jasper]

Pryce synergizes well with Ghetsis

[swift swan]

i'm not confident with the gauge

[keen jasper]

Ice theme skill and AoE speed drop with Icy Wind

[swift swan]

icy wind is 3 gauge and his speed is atrocious

[void wyvern]

That’s 7 gauge a turn and Ghetsis already struggles with his own gauge.

[keen jasper]

I somehow managed

[swift swan]

ghetsis will noble roar double drop three times, at least

[void wyvern]

Unless the support is SS morty you’ll be out of steam really quickly.

[keen jasper]

Besides, Ghetsis needs to spam Noble Roar

[north crown]

oh ghetsis has power boost, so at least there's that. you could run something like ghetsis, pryce, spatk+spe buffe rlike roxanne, kali or something

[swift swan]

still, I think the support needs to be pretty fast if you wanna carry ghetsis and pryce

[keen jasper]

I managed to sync with Ghetsis before the enemy's first sync with SS Brendan and Pryce

[north crown]

actually kali isn't a good example mb

[swift swan]

I'm thinking the support should also buff crit so ghetsis doesn't waste 2 turns clicking TM

[rotund lagoon]

Absolutely

[north crown]

isn't ex nuke good enough?

[swift swan]

screw it. powerboosted sycamore

[old orchid]

Or just use the Sycamore and Lucian

[rotund lagoon]

Here’s a big brain

Lodge Dawn

[north crown]

nah I'd rather avoid using sycamore in case of emergencies

[old orchid]

This is hard mode

[north crown]

oh yeah tldawn would work, especially if she has tse

oh LMAO

[swift swan]

my ghetsis has this disease of refusing to crit on almost every sync I do with him so it's hard for me to gauge whether his new nuke is "good enough" because I'm too stressed already

[north crown]

well then that changes the situation entirely

[old orchid]

They refuse to unlock MM for some reasons

[swift swan]

is... is it still hard mode

[rotund lagoon]

Yeah

[late grove]

[tribal agate]

Hey let's calm down they asked a simple question and haven't replied since so no need to expand it into a debate unless they wanna add more

[north crown]

first of all did they actually finish the medal? can't recall.

if not, they should unlock mm to at least pour whatever amount of points they can muster, even if it's a mere 500 per stage

[rotund lagoon]

I completely forgot to ask……..

[north crown]

iirc they tried mm before, tho I don't remember if that's from last region or not

[keen jasper]

A bit off topic, but when I see the NC abbreviation, it feels like someone is calling me

[old orchid]

How are you today Neo Champ?

[keen jasper]

Am not Neo Champ

[paper summit]

you brought this upon yourself

[keen jasper]

[brave halo]

Was busy fixing up teams but to quickly answer, yes I have the medal for alola, but I'm not attempting, I'm not gonna add onto anymore of this to cause problems

[tribal agate]

No worries there's no problems at the moment, you can come back to us when Week 5 happens so we can review if something goes wrong

[swift swan]

if it's hard mode, then I suppose that team works fine

[north crown]

bro just try to get 500 it isn't that bad, especially if you only pick the ontype option as casuals usually lean into ontype teams

[brave halo]

But just to fully finish up, my week 5 is gonna be this, I did have clemont on the bea team as suggested bit forgot he was on the roxie team, so changed to colress, didn't think it'd be a problem

Well the ghetsis team needs to change but still

[swift swan]

lyra and ss morty are redundant imo

I guess if you're using morty, then maybe a defense/sp defense debuffer (depending on whether you're doing shadow ball DPS or sync nuke. I'd rather go DPS since his sync multipliers is so annoying to set up)

[tribal agate]

It should work for hard mode purposes, but those teams will probably struggle if you attempt to add points in the future.

[north crown]

what's up with that double morty team? where the synergy?

[late grove]

Sycamore on ghetsis would be good

[north crown]

yeah bea doesn't need sycamore, like at all

is there a video guide on teambuilding? I think the dude needs one

[tribal agate]

Not that i am aware, but that's fine, let's tone it down on the personal attacks
If that's how they prefer to clear content if it's hard mode it's ok, as long as they acknowledge the limitations for it down the line.

[zealous karma]

Pichu jumpscare

[rotund lagoon]

[brave halo]

Ghetsis team changed like what I kept doing earlier, like I said not looking to cause trouble, but figured I'd just quickly share after what was discussed earlier

[late grove]

how do you manage the gauge tho

[swift swan]

ghetsis noble roar three times, dawn spams TMs, and pryce... hogs the gauge for as much as possible?

[rotund lagoon]

Lodge Dawn gives speed, that’s one thing

[swift swan]

I still prefer the suggestion of throwing sycamore to the ghetsis team tbh

[rotund lagoon]

Oh and she’s 1/5

[swift swan]

but again, on hard mode, this should work

[swift swan]

welp. guess ghetsis will have to grid for sharp entry 1 and go TM twice

[rotund lagoon]

Yeah Sycamore is better. I was assuming Dawn was 3/5+, mb

[swift swan]

it's fine, let ghetsis be busy with TMs so pryce can do his sole purpose

[brave halo]

I only quickly saw tldawn and pryce earlier, so went with it

[mellow linden]

Next week looks like a pretty free week overall, I gotta say

Fire, Water, and thanks to Roark Rock should be easy for just about everyone, Electric isn't too far behind those 3

[rotund lagoon]

Hau

[mellow linden]

Yeah, Bug is the exception thanks to Hau's Paralysis shenanigans

Makes Bugsy + Noland a bit harder to run

[rotund lagoon]

I meant our Hau

Hau/Raichu unit

[mellow linden]

Ah

Yeah, that's why Electric isn't too far behind Fire, Water, and Rock

[rotund lagoon]

Yee

[mellow linden]

It's just that those 3 are exceptionally free

[brave halo]

Most of next week is fine for me, I got the team ready for that

[onyx ice]

I should try Ny Lillie + Hilbert + Nolan

Ny Lillie can act as second dps

Nolan is super cheap on gauges

[brave halo]

Next week should be easy, but idk who to use mainly out of bug or water

[mellow linden]

Leech Life, right?

[rotund lagoon]

Honestly, I do not see Sonia being needed for that Electric team. Put her somewhere she’s valued more. I use both rats on 12.5k with Red as the tank

[brave halo]

Yeah she's gonna be changed to somewhere else, for the most part it's mainly just the water and bug that has me worried

[rotund lagoon]

Alder and your Water options are good, what’s there to worry about?

Tbh tho, I do not see a reason for you having double Supports

[brave halo]

Double support for which one?

[rotund lagoon]

Your Bug, Fire (why is Regirock even there), both Water and Bug teams

SS Morty can carry two Fire damage dealers, he is that good

[mellow linden]

Everyone has easy Master Mode clear for Water weak stages with Roxanne/Sycamore + Cyrus + Winona

[rotund lagoon]

Cyrus is amazing for Water damage

[brave halo]

So are either the water teams bad? Both are focused on kris/djgloria

[civic trellis]

Prob better to being someone else instead of pryce

[zealous karma]

Regirock doesn’t do anything on those teams, and Gloria and Kris both would prefer havinr rain

Kris especially would prefer hilbert over Kiawe

[civic trellis]

Do u have clemont or lodge elesa? They can lower speed to set up ghetsis’ nuke

[brave halo]

Which clemont? Regular or bp? dammit autocorrect stop trying to change to clementine

[main crow]

Base Clemont

[brave halo]

Let me check if he's gridded, I don't remember

I know BP clemont is

Nope not gridded

I do have tlelesa who while 1/5, don't worry supports don't give me much issue being low move level, does have her grid as max as can be

[brave halo]

I tried super hard with Gloria+rain but the support part had me stumped, cause it would've been gloria and may

[late grove]

someone with speed buff or mga would be good

[civic trellis]

He doesnt need his grid since all he’s doing is debuffing speed which is part of electroweb itself

[brave halo]

I forget how regirock got one there but I can simply change to lyra cause she has been super helpful for me most the time in sun teams

[brave halo]

Mga was what again? I'm blanking so bad

[civic trellis]

Move gauge acceleration

[brave halo]

Oooh that

That's easy, I know some like support cynthia give it

[formal vigil]

she also debuffs speed too

via rock tomb

[civic trellis]

Btw for ur fire team, do u have gordie?

He gives rebuff and u already have ss morty who sets sun and stuff so idrk what u would need lyra for

[brave halo]

Nope

[civic trellis]

Oh

[brave halo]

Light screen and offensive boosting by tm

She's worked so well for me

[civic trellis]

I think silver can buff himself if u have him gridded with ramp up 2 or berserker 2, ss morty should be able to give the last 2 since u have him 3/5

But for now since u dont have gordie lyra should be fine ig

[brave halo]

None of the grids I got for silver has either of those

But you said mga for the rain part right? So how's this? I won't be able to ex cynthia till after it but still

[late grove]

what other supports you got?

[brave halo]

Let me pull up the entire list, some aren't gridded to add a heads up

Oh and I forgot recently got Roxanne to 5 star so that's a difference

[late grove]

sonia might work

[brave halo]

So I guess just swap sonia and cynthia around?

[late grove]

ye

[brave halo]

That's how they all look now

I'm tempted to try with Olivia over Roark since no ground stage next week and she likes sand + ex

[north crown]

roark got no crit.. wait what's colress' kit?

lemme check in bot zone

[late grove]

screech thunderwave etc

[brave halo]

Mainly screech

[late grove]

with tm providing mga

[late grove]

you could try that

[north crown]

and paralyzed hit for crit... hmm a bit iffy if you're planning to have first sync with roark, since at most it's gonna be +2 crit by then

I'd suggest replacing Nita with Sonia since Glojo doesn't really need crit buffs unless I'm mistaken

[late grove]

it for the mga

[brave halo]

This is what I got for Olivia if I use her over roark

[north crown]

oh sheesh

and she's ex. ok this is good. I would know since I also used this team for 2.5k

[brave halo]

Yeah my ex are all over the place

[north crown]

yeah you should have no problem clearing 2.5k if you ever attempt to do so with this team

[brave halo]

It'll be a while before I do that, but if anything right now Nita was kinda filler, wasn't sure who to use

[north crown]

nah she's good solely cuz of her tm

[brave halo]

True

And healing is icing on the cake

[north crown]

you could also try using fly before olivia sync to deny left side. don't know if you need to stone edge beforehand since I usually run def debuffs with her.

[brave halo]

My only new issue is gear choosing

[north crown]

jsut to be safe, use one preemptive stone edge on left side if you want to try this denial strat with Olivia

[brave halo]

Got both ground and rock

[north crown]

people usually / it's convention to go for more damage, tho it shouldn't make a huge difference, especially in CS

[brave halo]

Sooo all rock gear then?

[onyx ice]

Yes

[mellow linden]

Neat, might have to experiment using Lana for the same method someday

[onyx ice]

Is more that Lillie has status protection

[brave halo]

So does that look better for next week?

[north crown]

usually yeah, since if your striker dies, the cs run dies

this is my optimization brain going, but damn seeing sonia essentially wasted on glojo is kinda saddening, but this is cs so I do see why

I remember that defensive alder team. note that hyper beam only has 90 acc so keep that in mind if you want to not deal with acc rng

and electric rats lmao. could save one of them as a wildcard in case shit hits the fan

[brave halo]

Don't really have much in terms of electric i can use right now

And was suggested to use sonia for rain too

Or well for this team specifically

[north crown]

wait what sonia for rain...? what kind of

I do see the synergy for CS tho dw

2 of sonia's tm to allow glojo to nerf mid to -6 defenses on first sync

[brave halo]

And max move too

[north crown]

yeah and that free nuke button

question: do you have volkner (or any other electric terrain pair?)

[brave halo]

Only volkner

All my electric here

[north crown]

perfect. random ass kanto paralyzer / tank, ash, volkner

oh 3/5 ash too

I usually run erika, ash, volkner so I can save sstred as a wildcard / backup whenever need be

helpful especially in the harder cs regions

ofc if you don't trust yourself running erika vileplume as a tank, you could just run leaf as well

[brave halo]

I'll probably do electric last out of e4 just to see how the teams stack up

[north crown]

unless params lmao

[brave halo]

Neither of those are gridded yet actually....

[north crown]

eh shouldn't matter cuz Ash is busted

iirc someone beat 2.5k+ wth level 1 ash

solely ash dps on presync too

you shouldn't have to worry about much with Ash

[brave halo]

Let me see who I have first with Para based stuff who is gridded atm

I do have calem but only as 1/5

Actually I'll make it easier and show everyone with paralysis filter active

[zealous karma]

Sstred inflicts paralysis at the start of turn one on everyone with his max move

[north crown]

I advised them to save sstred as a wildcard cuz both ash and sstred are busted

and their track record of getting stuck on every other week

[brave halo]

Well I think I feel ready for both weeks, and happy that next week means ex'ing cynthia

[zealous karma]

Swaggy

[brave halo]

Tho I still need to decide who to ex next after skyla, who I'm working towards reaching 20/20, been having a whole strategy on how I ex characters

[zealous karma]

You can never have too may Ex suooorts there’s also this

+6ex

[frozen depot]

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Last Updated: May 3rd 2023
https://i.imgur.com/gFb4wYi.png

[zealous karma]

(Make sure to read the note in dark yellow at the top)

[brave halo]

As of right now I have a huge compromise strategy on who I ex, cause I have people from another server really wanting me to ex one strike of each type

But this servers says about the supports

So it's a back and forth so i had a compromise to try to satisfy both sides

Won't go into detail on it as to not clog chat with non cs talk

[rigid flint]

Hell yeah

[brave halo]

But for now in full, here's how both weeks look in full

[north crown]

it's purely a meta thing, but it's ultimately your choice, like how you chose to not engage in mm

[brave halo]

Hence why my compromise strategy is in effect

[civic trellis]

Personally I tried to have a striker of each type first, tho what u can do is have atleast 5 EX supports so u can have one per team

[brave halo]

I would explain how my strategy works right now but I would be clogging chat with non cs talk so will only do if really asked to

[north crown]

I mean, technically it could be related to cs since it encourages people to have good dps pairs of all types

could be interpreted as cs planning

[brave halo]

I mean I guess? Idk, like I said I'll only explain if really asked to

[junior crown]

you can always put it in #916852389347196958 if it's not totally related to CS

and the people there will share their ideas with you

[brave halo]

Would probably confuse people involving context and will fill up chat a lot so imma stick to what I said for now, and maybe try to change subject here so others have time to chat

[dark osprey]

what would possibly be some slightly reliable F2P flying & ground teams? F2P loosely for non-general 5* pool, pokefair, masterfairs, variety scouts

[trail smelt]

Blue is passable with the right supports for flying

[zealous karma]

I’ve seen kahili Nanu hop do it with tree syncs

But I recall also hearing it’s inconsistent

[dark osprey]

ah yeah those seem like decent options i guess nanu flinches would be nice

probably the limiting factor may still be the supports

i like the Blue plus Kahili option

but needs a solid support mostly

for ground I was trying Clay plus Hapu but honestly like clay alone

[old orchid]

i usually do Blue / Kahili / Falkner

have to do turn denial

[dark osprey]

oh. on first sync?

nice

i like using SS Elesa instead of Falkner for the quicker sync & even accuracy buffs

but she may also not be bulky enough

[old orchid]

i like Falkner more because of theme skill bonus and buffs for Kahili

potent flinch is also good on sides

[dark osprey]

ah yeah true

indirectly the benefits of sync countdown quickening with the flinches

[old orchid]

yeah

[mellow linden]

I’m kinda sad that Fairy weak for this region has already come and gone

Because I 3/5ed NY Lisia today and want a good place to see how big of a boost she has in CS now

Ah well, next region

[paper summit]

go bully Latios

not that it is any indication of power, everyone and their mother destroys that poor guy, but still

[formal vigil]

why not latias?

[mellow linden]

Latias too gimmicky

Tbf I did try her out in Time Trial and it was a pretty big boost (especially the Sync Move)

I’m honestly excited for Kalos CS to return so I can try my hand at Fairy weak Drasna again

Last time my team setup was overall kinda meh, this time I’ll have a way better team in addition to the better Sync nuke from Lisia

Well, I guess moreso my previous team was “meh” specifically for Drasna

Due to how much damage Drasna throws out

[paper summit]

Kalos is just built differently

fairy weak has Dragon Zone to deal with

granted if you are presyncing it's a non issue

[mellow linden]

Yeah, previously I tried Kiawe + Kali as my Supports and I think the overall lack of bulk is what made me switch to off-typing.

This time I’ll be running Anabel + Skyla as my Supports, which is a massive bulk increase

[north crown]

what's the difficulty progression of each region? (e.g: kanto>johto>hoenn>sinnoh)

[paper summit]

Hoenn, Sinnoh and Kalos are somewhat equally hard to me? guess it depends on who you ask

[mellow linden]

I would say Kanto = Johto < Unova <= Alola < Hoenn < Sinnoh <= Kalos, with Sinnoh and Kalos being interchangeable depending on your roster

[paper summit]

the only certainty is Kanto being baby mode

[mellow linden]

I’d put Johto on the same level, personally

[north crown]

why is sinnoh and kalos' difficulty dependent on roster?

I don't get that due to the huge reaction of the community toward the Sinnoh CS

[mellow linden]

They’re probably the 2 most restrictive regions, so it depends on which one you can deal with more restrictions in

[north crown]

what kind of restriction were there? the only one I remember is the infamous special electric aaron stage

[paper summit]

Sinnoh went anti physical with Electric and Steel, and anti special with Bug, Fairy and Ghost

[mellow linden]

Namely Entry x2 passives or just a lot of damage if you don’t have the intended counter

Fighting weak Wikstrom, for example, has a lot of frontloaded damage if you don’t bring Fighting Zone

Rock weak Malva has Sentry Entry x2, for another example

[paper summit]

witnessing your tank being OHKO'd was funny

[formal vigil]

can't you just flich stall the steel zone for fighting weak wikstrom

[paper summit]

zones are items

you cannot flinch that

[formal vigil]

i mean duration

[paper summit]

hmm, yeah, I guess you can

[mellow linden]

You probably could

[north crown]

wait Malva had sentry entry? why haven't I heard of this?

iirc I kept spamming Olivia on everything

[mellow linden]

I’m surprised you didn’t, Rock weak Malva was one of the big standouts of Kalos CS

[paper summit]

well, Entry x2 passives don't make it impossible to beat them

[formal vigil]

malva still just has 17k base hp

[paper summit]

they just end up doing damage as if they were off type, kinda

[formal vigil]

so not too hard

[mellow linden]

Ghost weak Wikstrom is gonna be interesting to see next time since people will actually be able to do Master Mode next time he shows up

[north crown]

I'm p sure at the time I used sonia/kukui, Olivia, Acerola

maybe I abused added effects param

[paper summit]

I used the train bros and SS Diantha

Entry passives aren't too bad really, I beat bug weak Lucian with Burgh, post sync mind you but still, and Anni Lillie can handle his ghost weak just fine

granted that last example isn't the most accessible

honestly I'll just EX Morty for the nuke

[mellow linden]

I think Rock weak Malva is my most uncertain outcome CS stage rn. I’m planning to test out a Bertha/Lodge Steven/Sycamore team and seeing how it goes

If that fails I’ll play around with Olivia teams and/or off-typing

[junior crown]

It's mostly the number of passives they have, take ice drasna

she has 11 passives

while the other regions sometimes doesn't even have passives (outside the standards resistances for status)

[mellow linden]

Drasna in general with Kalos is a bit of a different beast

She has a few weird quirks

[junior crown]

I think the ice one has the most passives of all

but the others, even without as many passives, have some troublesome ones

[mellow linden]

Fairy weak is probably one of the most consistently high damage CS stages, Psychic and Ice weak both try to inflict Poison on your team, Dragon weak is also fairly high damage

[junior crown]

like setting terrain/zone, healthy advantage, a lot of damage passive too, etc

So then you compare Grass Lorelei (0 passives) x Ice Drasna (11 passives)

that's what make the region harder (and not only the number of the passives, but also what they do)

of course this are the extremes of each of them, but just one example

[noble plaza]

I'm up against Hala and I'm using Skyla + Blue (Pidgeot) + SS Elesa but I don't really know how I should start off.

Should I try using Blue's TM or Sp. Attack X first or go for flinches before syncing?

[north crown]

tm spam for sure, especially if he's at least 2/5 as he gets his only damage multiplier: brutal clarity

if you want a guranteed 2 syncs presync, save sselesa's tm until after first sync

[noble plaza]

Oh Elesa's TM was the first thing I did

[noble plaza]

I can't KO with Pidgeot's Syncs, I need Hurricanes in between but it's hard to do that before a sync

[north crown]

pidgeot's damage doesn't come from sync; the damage comes from hurricane. if you have support ex, that would help temendously for blue. alternatively, the third could be a sleep/flinch pair to help stall out turns to help blue dish out more hurricanes

[noble plaza]

I have EX'd SS Blue

And EX'd Lillie, Rosa, and Sonia

[noble plaza]

Would a Support EX/Flincher/Sleep pair replace Skyla or Elesa?

[north crown]

ooo ex lillie? run lillie, blue, sleeper/flincher

sync with blue, then lillie as it's recommended to prioritize dishing our those hurricanes ASAP

[noble plaza]

ohhh okay!

[north crown]

if you need speed/gauge, run agatha or lodge n, as they have mgr9 on hypnosis

I'm gonna assume you know opponent turn order

just follow that

[noble plaza]

It's Middle, Right, Middle, Left?

[north crown]

yeah

repeats until the opponent gets their sync cooldown to 1

then you pray you clear mid presync

and then keep stalling their moves as much as possible

[noble plaza]

(i was about to ask why it kept saying Primeape couldn't fall asleep but then I remembered the no status conditions parameters)

i'd just swap that for interference immunity?

[north crown]

yeah basically

if you're going flinch route, vice versa

[noble plaza]

I can't seem to squeeze in Lilly's move before I can do more Hurricanes to do massive damage.

[north crown]

spam x acc all bruhhhhh

at 3/5 it gives her healing, so y not?

[tame gust]

That and Hop doesn’t have EX so he can’t provide a double sync buff to begin with.

Oh wow. Discord just lagged

I was seeing stuff from the 15th

[north crown]

yeah I already advised them to sync blue, then support ex

ah happens to the best of us

[rigid flint]

@marble pike Which e4 member are you going against?

[marble pike]

hala

[rigid flint]

Right

What flying type units do you have?

[marble pike]

uh lemme just show my box

(i have all the normal banner 3 and 4 stars no lodge)

[rigid flint]

Ah ok

Acerola is a physical support so it’s better to use her with physical units

If you wanna make even more use of her you should use units that take advantage of her abilities

[rigid flint]

Which is sun and grassy terrain

Ah

You do have Anni Steven

[marble pike]

is not enough damage

only 11k

evven with skyla

[rigid flint]

You mean his sync?

[marble pike]

no his move

[rigid flint]

Or his dragon ascent damage?

[marble pike]

yeah dragon ascent

[rigid flint]

11k is more than great

[marble pike]

its not enough because by the time i get to it hala is already sync

and i die

[rigid flint]

This might have to do with your parameters then

[old orchid]

You must have chosen too many HP params

[marble pike]

I don't have any hp params on tho

[old orchid]

Try OG Skyla / Anni Skyla / Anni Steven team with post sync params set in the pins

[late halo]

It's half sync

[marble pike]

ok i gotta level up my og skyla first

uh

i got one shot

oh post sync

[old orchid]

Do you use the exact param set?

[marble pike]

i used pre sync one

lol

[old orchid]

About the post sync one in the pins

Change the following params:

[marble pike]

oop my steven got one shot

i alr changed it to post sync

[old orchid]

Take off x3 dmg on tech and atk up 1, pick no stat reduction

[marble pike]

ok

[old orchid]

Also take off physical dmg reduction and pick special dmg reduction

[marble pike]

he still died

do i have to dragon ascent first

[rigid flint]

What’s ur move order been?

[zealous karma]

Is steven tanking or getting one shot by an aoe?

[marble pike]

one shot by aoe on sync

[rigid flint]

Stevens getting one shot by Hala sync

[old orchid]

That seems weird, with at least +4 def he should survive the sync

[rigid flint]

That’s what I was thinking

[marble pike]

oh my skyla isn't grid

[old orchid]

Can you send your parameters you chose? The problem might come from parameters

[rigid flint]

Even if she’s not gridded that shouldn’t pose a huge issue

[old orchid]

[zealous karma]

anni steven cant pre sync?

oh round 4 i assume

[rigid flint]

Yeah

[marble pike]

does ex matter

[old orchid]

Not at all

[rigid flint]

Well who are you syncing with?

[marble pike]

anni steven

[rigid flint]

I assume your OG Skyla isn’t EXd

[marble pike]

no

[old orchid]

Hmmm the param is fine

[rigid flint]

I’d recommend syncing with Anni Skyla honestly

What moves are you using before syncing?

[zealous karma]

for aniskyla to nuke center mon maybe

[marble pike]

take flight x 2(normal skyla), x atk, sky high steven, flying iwsh ready for takeoff x2

not in order but basically what happens pre sync

[rigid flint]

Hm that seems good

[marble pike]

i'll just try off sync ig

i have lots of good off sync units

off type*

[zealous karma]

sounds valid

[rigid flint]

It does seem odd tho

That team should be able to survive sync

[zealous karma]

Hala has increased offenses

[rigid flint]

Oh right

[old orchid]

There is always stalling option if both ontype and offtype work

[marble pike]

maybe ss elese cheese

[zealous karma]

ex 1/5 skyla

wait 85 def hala

that is odd

[dark osprey]

Are you using an EX support sync?

A Steven should maximum 2 shot Hala

One shot if the parameters are more offensive

[zealous karma]

Apologies assuming you already off typed it but what support are you using with AniSkyla and AniSteven?

[marble pike]

Normal skyla

[zealous karma]

O

[dark osprey]

If you're tanking with Skyla and it's faster sync, can take all Attack +s, drop the HP +2 also

Rather than strength 6 and max HP 2

[zealous karma]

Do you have any supp options The team already has great gauge I imagine with ANiSkyla buffing spd and aerial accel, so Maybe could try like MChic or a masterfair support if you have any of those

[dark osprey]

The support should be EXed mainly

[zealous karma]

Apologies for like conflicting support being given

Like if you are willing to ex AniSkyla me i think should be doable but may be fine I am going to do the calcs

[marble pike]

I don’t have any more ex support

I need grind 5 manual

[dark osprey]

No Rosa?

[zealous karma]

One DA pre sync in zone SEUn
One post sync SEUN
AniSkyla (EX) Sync
so that should be like 32K damage

how much Hp hala has

[zealous karma]

Do you have sonia available or a support who can help AniSkyla available?
Cause I am thinking smth like this
Cycle One: Supp TM, X atk (AniSteven), Skyla TM
Cycle Two: Supp TM, Flying wish, Dragon Ascent
Cycle 3: AniSkyla sync, AniSteven TM, Supp does whatever
Cycle 4: Enemy should use X atk all here, Dragon ascent Air cutter

Idk if that math works out

[marble pike]

yes i have sonia avaliable

[zealous karma]

Like Falkner/MChic/Kiawe/Hilbert etc are great here

[marble pike]

well i have to go to sleep now i'll figure it out later ty for the help(early test tmrw )

[zealous karma]

Kk i hope this works out

Physical Dmg. Reduction

Special Dmg. Reduction

Attack & Sp. Atk ↑ 1

No Status Conditions

Sync Buff ↑ 5

Attack & Sp. Atk ↑ 3

Power ↑ on Hit 1

Gradual Healing at Start

Attack & Sp. Atk ↑ 5

Power ↑ on Hit 2

Strength ↑ 3

Ally Move Gauge Max -2

Standard Damage Reduction 8

Strength ↑ 6

the params I tested

[old orchid]

Sync buff 5 on a half sync cd round?

[zealous karma]

This team should pre sync I think

I typed the cycles and did the calcs

[old orchid]

Lets see if that works

[noble plaza]

I only have 2/5 😭

[north crown]

then ig spam lillie's tms for sync cooldown

waitaminute it's hala, which means it's purely physical

you could opt for poison stall 😎

[noble plaza]

really?

[north crown]

wdym really? it's the alola stadium

it's on the esier half of the regions

[noble plaza]

that was more rhetorical haha

[north crown]

well you can do either or

one is brainless and less fulfilling, and the other options is basically praying for mprs or mgrs

[noble plaza]

true

fwiw i have 2/5 falkner

[north crown]

I mean... the playstyle is not that different

... and he doesn't get air slash until 3/5

[noble plaza]

[north crown]

both of them don't have the best bulk, so do whatever works

[noble plaza]

IT'S FRUSTRATING BECAUSE I CAN SEE HOW IT CAN WORK

[north crown]

the only other option would be to do post sync and play defensively

[noble plaza]

I mean...what about SS Blue? He gets X Defense All

[north crown]

I haven't done that in a long time so

[toxic cobalt]

Too true

[north crown]

if you're choosing to use SSB, then you should plan for post

[noble plaza]

oh really?

[north crown]

yeah. I can't see dual blue working pre

[noble plaza]

fair haha

My main concern with post-sync is the special shield

[toxic cobalt]

Presyncing half sync requires some fantastic flinching rng

[noble plaza]

im on round 3

[toxic cobalt]

Then it needs…really easy rng flinching

[noble plaza]

I get the flinches in, the issue is that I need Lillie's support EX boost to help the hurricanes kill. But that means I need to get 2 syncs in.

[zealous karma]

Hmm instead of flinches do you have sselesa?

[noble plaza]

But by the time I get the 2 syncs in, the center gets its sync in before the hurricanes can kill

I do

I've tried her with Skyla earlier

[toxic cobalt]

This suggests you’re not getting the flinches in!

Wait normal Blue?

[noble plaza]

I'm getting some flinches in

yeah with Pidgeot

[toxic cobalt]

Normal blue syncs first

[noble plaza]

yeah I know

[toxic cobalt]

Who is the flincher?

[noble plaza]

I'm trying with Acerola

[toxic cobalt]

That team has enough gauge?

[noble plaza]

i am struggling with the gauge quite a bit haha

i tried with Agatha as a sleeper but it was eating away at the guage

[toxic cobalt]

Why not ditch support ex and replace with speed buffer

[zealous karma]

Hmm I’m trying to think of ither flinchers flinchers we have

Do you have LBlue?

They have some matching theme skills he buffs Spd and defense for Lillie

[toxic cobalt]

What’s wrong with Godcerola?

[noble plaza]

L Blue?

[zealous karma]

They said gauge was poor and blue exeguttor buffs Spd

[toxic cobalt]

Only if you sacrifice a turn of flinching

[noble plaza]

Oh lodge blue

yeah i have that, not invested though

[zealous karma]

I think you can make it up if you flinch the left later on

[noble plaza]

Honestly, I don't really know what proper flinch stalling is supposed to look like. Can I really get 2 sync moves in and then multiple hurricanes without the opponent syncing?

[toxic cobalt]

All you need is aggravation

Hurricanes come after the first sync!

[noble plaza]

right

[zealous karma]

Lemme tes it but I can’t spend too Much time testing sadly

[toxic cobalt]

Do all speed buffs before first sync then you only need one flinch after should be simple enough

[noble plaza]

but there still needs to be several hurricanes in order to kill the center

[toxic cobalt]

More than 4?

[zealous karma]

Omg I was so close

[noble plaza]

oof that's the worst

[zealous karma]

If flinched lasted 2 more seconds

[noble plaza]

Just to clarify I'm doing 2.5k on type pre-sync params

[zealous karma]

!

I’m posting the video rn

[toxic cobalt]

As is right and proper

[noble plaza]

oh wow thanks for going the extra mile to do this!

[toxic cobalt]

Why are you delaying your sync?!?!?

[noble plaza]

alright just making sure.

[zealous karma]

I didn’t mean too lel

I was just doing a random attempt

[zealous karma]

I like to test a test before I recommend so truly any time (unless I don’t have the pair)

So if you can sync with Ex Lillieas we’ll youll be able to kill here and have an easier time with sides!

I do have to go for nkw so Goodluck!!

[noble plaza]

see ya! thanks for the help!

[zealous karma]

anytrime

[north crown]

dual blue is viable...?!?!??!?

[zealous karma]

Seems so

[noble plaza]

are they notoriously unviable lol

[north crown]

no, I just thought the gauge would be atrocious

[paper summit]

there is little reason to use double Blue

like, he is only offering flinch and speed

[zealous karma]

Harry gaming

[zealous karma]

And theme skills

[north crown]

yeah. maybe it would be better to find another fast 60%+ flincher

[paper summit]

I mean, you can just use a better option, and he doesn't need theme skills at all...

have you seen how high his special attack already is?

[zealous karma]

Well in this situation if it works it works

[zealous karma]

LBlue was the first to come to mine so lel

[paper summit]

[zealous karma]

He’s also available so e

[paper summit]

let's not promote bad team building practices...

[noble plaza]

i could send my roster if y'all want?

[zealous karma]

I think in this scenario it’s fine but idt it’s the worst team building it’s just working with whay they have

Def helps Lillie stay alive and offers gauge for blue along with the flinches for Harry which proved useful@for this fight while his X Atk all isn’t useful there’s still a lot of good stuff being offered here

[north crown]

call me crazy, but perhaps you could get away with tlblue as primary tank

[zealous karma]

Lillie especially ex is way bulkier maybe not in Ho I forget

Their blue isn’t very invested

[north crown]

yeah I'm kinda skeptical about Lillie's bulk even with EX

[zealous karma]

Lillie isn’t too frail she just doesn’t buff her own defenses except hp is low

[north crown]

unless you go for toughen/tighten up

[noble plaza]

lillie doesn't take cross chop well at all

[zealous karma]

And ex gives free one hundred

Oof

[noble plaza]

i do have both of those gridded for her

[north crown]

bye bye support ex lmao

[zealous karma]

Are you trying to flinch hala or poor luck?

[north crown]

ig it's better to go for sselesa in this case

[zealous karma]

J do really have to go now sadly so if you can send your roster maybe others can help you here

Gn

[noble plaza]

night~

[north crown]

Oml I’m a dumbass

Zinnia dragon ascent

[toxic cobalt]

I dunno why I have the half health parameter on

As can be seen clears mid easy though

And that’s before second sync. I really think ditch Lillie for someone with actual bulk

[paper summit]

hold on, what move level is your Blue? the pic shows 2/5... he doesn't have access to Harry 5 at 2/5, is that a mistake?

unless the whole flinch deal here was just to not worry about quadqueue I guess

[north crown]

Yeah my entire strat was to give blue more chances to use hurricane

[toxic cobalt]

Who need Harry when you have Brutal clarity?

You know what, keep Lillie, just rng around getting close combatted

And I think use L blue as primary tank that's the only way he raises speed

[north crown]

Or you could try doing acerola tm shenanigans and split the hits

[noble plaza]

2/5 Blue

[dark osprey]

could run Blue, Skyla and a sleep mon

if not done yet

can use the turn skips for Blue's TMs

[noble plaza]

turn skips as in turns where a pokemon is asleep?

[swift swan]

when an opponent who has already queued a pokemon move gets flinched/sleep, their turn will be denied. their queue will be canceled and thus whatever moves your team queues underneath that opponent's move will take its place

idk if I explained that very well, but visually:
🔵 Ally move 1
🔵 Ally move 2
🔵 Ally move 3
🔴 Opponent move
🔵 Ally 1 queues again
This is how your queues normally look like

When the opponent is flinched/sleep, their queue will be removed, so your fourth 🔵 move will take its place

Note that this is only possible when the 🔴 opponent move is a pokemon move and not a trainer move. because trainer moves can still be used even when the pokemon is flinched/asleep

sages (was it sages? i'm sure it was him) once did a video showcase about it. i'll try to find it

[noble plaza]

Right! Thank you!

Note that this is only possible when the 🔴 opponent move is a pokemon move and not a trainer move. because trainer moves can still be used even when the pokemon is flinched/asleep

this is the annoying part 😭

[noble plaza]

i think that's a good idea haha

[noble plaza]

what does that blue grid look like in the grid view? im not good at figuring it out with just the list aha

[swift swan]

trying to search for this did not go well

[swift swan]

only the yellow and red tiles are important

just find the cheapest ways to reach those tiles

[noble plaza]

it's worth mentioning I can't get Harry because my blue is 2/5

I mean I could candy him, but I only have one 5 star striker candy

[swift swan]

Blue only needs 2/5 for good DPS

[noble plaza]

got it

[nocturne pawn]

dont candy gen pools like ever

pls

[noble plaza]

oh right

[noble plaza]

do i need to put superduper effective on Pidgeot?

[toxic cobalt]

No

Did you see my video?

[noble plaza]

yeah you seem to have it on him

[swift swan]

Aurochs has superduper effective on blue?

[toxic cobalt]

I do??

[swift swan]

Man and I thought I was cheap with only CS1

Better check your Blue rn, chief

[noble plaza]

i mean the pop up says so at 1:04 😂

yeah, i got timestamps. you're exposed.

[toxic cobalt]

Wow I had SD1 on Blue

Garbage unit

[nocturne pawn]

i dont even know what i have on blue

[toxic cobalt]

Neither did I !

[nocturne pawn]

oh god i have pf3

[noble plaza]

i dont even remember what power flux does

"The fuller the move gauge when moves are selected, the more this powers up moves."

oh wow that is garbage

[swift swan]

Smh

Tbf i had power flux 3 on Anni N for the longest time

Literally only switched last month

[toxic cobalt]

Flashback to my Lithe Archie

[noble plaza]

[swift swan]

My stout heart 7 blaine will forever be a humbling reminder of my noob days

[toxic cobalt]

I just did some time trials with CS1 Giovanni because I’m too lazy to change

[swift swan]

(i still haven't changed it)

[noble plaza]

out of curiosity why do you wait to do "know what that means?"

i keep instinctively queuing it immediately after stomp

[unborn mason]

question: if you use a unit against an elite four can you use them against the champion?

[swift swan]

Nope

[unborn mason]

damn

guess ill save my steel team for that

[crystal notch]

PF sucks because the 4 gauge limit param

affects PF

buuuuut I have it on gio

because I ran out of cookies back then

time to recookie

[marble pike]

Ani skyla sync is only doing 2k damage

[north crown]

goddamn we might need a recording, cuz askyla shouldn't be doing that bad

[mellow linden]

Did you turn on Special Damage Reduction 8 by accident?

Also, what Sp. Atk. is A. Skyla at?

[mellow linden]

A. Skyla is not getting nearly enough help from the Support

[marble pike]

so i should change supp

will lilie do

[mellow linden]

Ideally someone who can buff Attack and Sp. Atk. + at least one stage of crit. You have Kiawe?

Also, you shouldn’t expect 1st Sync to be nearly as strong since you’re on half-Sync round

[north crown]

oh this is half sync? damn well gl

[mellow linden]

Truth be told, it may be worth considering Kahili instead of A. Skyla if you need a full-power Sync Move out the gate

But if you can work with your 1st Sync being a bit lower on power A. Skyla is still fine

[marble pike]

first dragon ascent only does 3k damage when use tm is 8k anni skyla is only doing 6k for me unless it needs to crit

[mellow linden]

You do in fact need A. Skyla’s Sync to crit

Which is why I say you’re probably gonna need a different Support if you’re using her

All damage-dealers need to crit

That’s just how the game works

[marble pike]

that's still not enough tho 3k + 6k when crit + 8k = 16k need 22k

[unborn mason]

okay so like...do i need to build up a sync grid for most units on hard i use in champion stadium because sync orbs are timegated and my noob ass wants to get through it. i have a fully gridded steel team but that's it really

[mellow linden]

Should be able to get a lot more with a proper Support to buff her Sp. Atk.

What parameters are you using?

[marble pike]

i'm using kiwae with support as well

[mellow linden]

And the parameters?

Also, don’t expect to pre-Sync on a half-Sync round

[mellow linden]

It honestly sounds like an issue of not being able to fully set A. Skyla up before your 1st Sync is ready

Which is understandable

You’ll just have to settle for needing to do 2 Syncs

[zealous karma]

It is round 4 and Hala bhas boosted offenses it'll be a little difficult to survive

[mellow linden]

I hate to say it, but if that’s the case then resetting and choosing someone else for Round 4 is worth considering

[dim depot]

Stuck on round 3 Olivia for 2.5k points.

[dim depot]

Just can't figure it out. Too hard.

[nocturne pawn]

why not use maxie over cynthia

also cynthia without sand is pretty shit

[manic kiln]

cynthia needs sand, and Ingo is better than Nita

[nocturne pawn]

isnt maxie better than not 3/5 cynthia

[tired sleet]

Yes

[dim depot]

I tried with Maxie. Still couldn't cut it. I tried Cynthia and Bertha in the center. That one got closer sometimes, but not enough.

I could still try Ingo instead of Nita.

[mellow linden]

Maxie + Courtney should be able to blow Olivia wide open with a proper Support

Maybe get them to 120 though

Since that’s kinda the level that’s sufficient for Master Mode

[dim depot]

EX support, right? Because the damage was looking far better than anything Cynthia could put out, earlier.

What about params? I made my own up but maybe it works too unfavorably for me here?

[mellow linden]

Probably don’t need an EX Support, but if you have one that’ll provide necessary buffs they’d of course be appreciated

We have some example parameters in the pins that you can adjust as needed if your team needs them to be

[old orchid]

also remember to check if you had Physical Damage Reduction param turned on

[mellow linden]

Specifically Physical Damage Reduction 8

[noble plaza]

out of curiosity why do you wait to do "know what that means?"
i keep instinctively queuing it immediately after stomp

[zealous karma]

Because you can get an extra sync cycle of you do

With good flinch luck

[noble plaza]

oh yeah

How do I know how long I have to wait?

[zealous karma]

Your flincher should always be last one queued

[noble plaza]

before sync?

I mean I know you use the flincher in the first turn

[zealous karma]

I think if you just follow what aurochs does you should be fine

[noble plaza]

yeah. I've gotten close I just need a bit of MGR luck

[zealous karma]

You know when to wait when all your other members are queued

Then you reque flinch

[noble plaza]

I had to restart twice because the Primeape started with X Speed All, restart again because T1 Stomp didn't flinch, and now I need to restart again because the Primeape started with X Speed All 😭

OH COME ON NO FLINCH AGAIN?!

what is this consecutive bad luck?

[zealous karma]

Gacha moment 🐴

Like this

[zealous karma]

(Look at the numbers of your and the enemy’s sync countdown this isn’t possible if you don’t queue flinch last every time)

[noble plaza]

thank you!!!

[zealous karma]

Yw

[noble plaza]

...i completely forgot you can see your enemy's sync countdown

[zealous karma]

I think I’m that example it’s more important to look at the cycle thing

Action order that’s the name

[toxic cobalt]

This basically, just keeping him last so I don’t get confused.

[noble plaza]

I keep getting close but RNGesus isn't being nice

[zealous karma]

Do you mind recording what you’re doing so we can fine some pointers?

[zealous karma]

Oof on the second turn you I personally would’ve targeted the hariyama and used stump

[noble plaza]

oh that makes sense. i was trying to copy what aurochs did

[zealous karma]

But so far apart from that what you’re doing is good

[zealous karma]

O

Lemme resume my watching

So you’re always queueing moves and when you’re low on gauge never fret to Re click on X accuracy all or full power from Lillie do you have disarming voice MGR equipped?

[noble plaza]

oh i do, I'm just worried rng won't be on my side

[zealous karma]

O I see

I know you expected Lillie to die here (as did I) if she had died and you queued disarming voice you would’ve gotten your gauge back

But you do seem a bit close but also a little to far off imo, do you have any strong off type options?

If you don’t mind sending your toaster ofc

[noble plaza]

toaster

[trail smelt]

Wasn’t expecting pairing Blue with LBlue

[noble plaza]

someone suggested it haha

[noble plaza]

IT'S FRUSTRATING BECAUSE I CAN SEE IT WORKING 😭

idk how other people are able to do it effortlessly but i cant

[nocturne pawn]

i off type flying when i see it

[noble plaza]

fair

[mellow linden]

Skyla and SS Elesa still available?

[noble plaza]

yes

[nocturne pawn]

i wouldve said nate but hes 1/5 so no inertia

[noble plaza]

i've tried both but i was having trouble

[mellow linden]

Together or separately?

[zealous karma]

I wonder if SC submas can off type at 1/5

[noble plaza]

together

[mellow linden]

Ah

[noble plaza]

...i think?

[mellow linden]

Honestly SC Subway Bros might be worth a try then

[noble plaza]

yeah i think together

paired with who?

[mellow linden]

Attack/crit Support, ideally

[zealous karma]

Iirc Emmet is self sufficient if Sonia’s available you can try her

Just for supp Ex

[noble plaza]

yeah sonia is available

[zealous karma]

Who are you leaving for R4 btw?

I’d leave kahili for that if you haven’t already

[noble plaza]

kahili

[zealous karma]

Alright great

[noble plaza]

lmao

[zealous karma]

I got worried when I selected her for@my 3K for round 4 but with steike damage x5 Caitlin somehow survived

[nocturne pawn]

:)

[noble plaza]

isn't the max 2.5k?

[nocturne pawn]

nah some people do more parameters for fun

[noble plaza]

or are you adding more params that'd hypothetically add up to 3k?

[zealous karma]

You can exceed 2.5K for extra challenge but no rewards

[noble plaza]

ah

[zealous karma]

Ye that

[noble plaza]

okay masochist

[zealous karma]

It’s not too bad
< says with 78 ex’s

[noble plaza]

stonks

[zealous karma]

True

But I like challenging myself especially if I’m helping others as I don’t recommend stuff if even I find it difficult

[noble plaza]

that's fair! thanks for your help!

[zealous karma]

Anytime

[zealous karma]

Have you attempted the subway duo?

[noble plaza]

I have but they didn't do much damage to it. I think they use a lot of X Defenses

I tried the earlier pair but with 2k params because I was getting tired of this stage and I was able to complete it! Sorry for all the trouble, maybe I'll try again after completing the CS for this week 😅

[crystal notch]

Crits bypass x defenses btw (and general defensive buffs)

It's why vigilance is important for supports

Works both ways

[noble plaza]

oh yeah!

Sonia doesn't have crit buffing abilities so that probably wasn't the best idea hah

[zealous karma]

Oh did you equip standard damage reduction or was it just not a lot of damage, If so I noticed you had 3/5 cynthia and ingo if you have Masked Royal or Courtney I didn’t see Courtney but I just wanted to make sure I’m case you forgot her

[noble plaza]

I equipped the first two damage reductions but i made sure to uncheck the physical reduction 8 one. They might've done more than I gave them credit for? I kind of have a headache atm and my brain is fried aha
I already used Cynthia and (non-SC) Ingo earlier 😔

I do not have Courtney unfortunately

[zealous karma]

I see maybe you can aim for 1.5?

[noble plaza]

oh i completed it on 2k

[zealous karma]

Oh Swag!

[noble plaza]

yeah im pretty happy to be done with that, I didn't expect it to be that hard for me haha

[zealous karma]

When I injutially did 2.5K i found it very difficult so if you continue to build yourself the way up you’ll likely be able to find yourself more consistent at beating it and once you get 3/5 blue it’ll help a lot too

[marble pike]

I beat gala

Hala

Was very annoying

[dim depot]

Just... barely...

[zealous karma]

How did that team post sync?

[marble pike]

Mine?

[dim depot]

Yeah, it took a bunch of tries. But I really had to time it right and get lucky. Sandstorm and Ground Zone lining up was crucial.

[zealous karma]

No stack over juice

[marble pike]

Oh ok

[zealous karma]

Was that round 4?

[dim depot]

And I tried my other params the one that stacks their HP. Round 3.

[marble pike]

What should I do for the final round?

[dim depot]

Man but it looks like the flying weak one is the one most people are having trouble with...

[marble pike]

I’m stuck for the finale round(first 10k lol) anyways here’s what’s left assume I have all gacha 3 and 4 stars

[zealous karma]

If you level up SSEirika I’d use her + SSDiantha and a crit/spd buffer

[zealous karma]

Hilbert SSEirika SSDiantha imo

Make sure to grid hilbert and take permanent field effects

[tired sleet]

I’d rather bring a skyla or smth instead of Hilbert
Erika can’t attack too early or else she may run out of sun a bit earlier than wanted

[zealous karma]

That’s why I said to take perm field effects param lel

[tired sleet]

Oops

But still, i’m not super confident in hilbert’s tanking abilities at 0/20

[zealous karma]

He gets def buffs from diantha and it’s move effects have extra effect so 80% flinch chance

[dim depot]

Okay, this one is also really hard. Here's what I'm working with. I need like 2 more attacks to win but Lugia is KOd by the post-sync Bulldoze.

[old orchid]

which round is this?

[dark osprey]

And even if you're going post sync, don't think max HP 6 is a good idea

[dim depot]

Round 4
And if I don't put HP6, what do I put instead?

[tired sleet]

Strength +3

[old orchid]

check the pins for recommended param sets

[tired sleet]

+csmm also has it

[frozen depot]

MasterMode Presets/Recommendations :

• Full Google Sheet : https://tinyurl.com/CSMMParameters
• 2500/2000 Screenshot : https://tinyurl.com/CSMMPresets

PoMaTools for Movesets/Stats/Calcs : https://ng-pomatools.web.app/champion-stadium
Key rewards cutoffs are at 4.200 pts (850 each) for EX Materials, and at 7.500 pts (1500 each) for BP, Sync Orbs, Skill Sphere

[tired sleet]

But in general almost everything you need will be in the pins

[swift swan]

i forgot that command exists what

[dim depot]

Back to the Power on Hit and Gradual Healing days huh...

[old orchid]

if you clear the stage within 2 sync cycles, PoH and Gradual Heal are not a problem at all

so pick them over bulk params

[dim depot]

Gradual Healing has been a run-ender so often.

Still dead at the same place lol. That post-sync Bulldoze.

[old orchid]

what team are you using?

and did you pick Strike x3 damage param?

[dim depot]

No, I copied the first column from the pin.

[old orchid]

[dim depot]

I got lucky he didn't use Bulldoze post-sync this time.

[dim depot]

Man what a rush it is to win with these params. The damage you deal is chunky but they can do the same back if you're not careful. So you have to win fast. Not as casual and slow as the post-sync I usually go with.

[swift swan]

Yet one more person is experiencing the thrill and adrenaline rush of presyncing

[trail smelt]

me who presyncs with post and post syncs with pre

[zealous karma]

Its always an accident if i post sync and more a surprise if i live

[swift swan]

Same

[toxic cobalt]

When you miss the quadqueue

[crystal notch]

Happens more to me than I can admit

From passives ruining quad queue

To just Skill Issue

[zealous karma]

I never fail quad queueing as I’m the perfect poma player created by AI, I clear off type cs using super effective pairs

[quaint solar]

I know I am late to the party
Was wondering if you already won the fight
Because I used blue myself ND not sure why he's not EX and why your nuking for only 2K instead of 4K

[grand trout]

When does one activate max move? It fucks up countdowns, right?

[junior crown]

Depends on the max move

[noble plaza]

2.5k is the max points you can get

Also I didn't have the spirits to EX Blue

[junior crown]

SST Red lower the countdowns, but I usally use max move after first or second sync

[noble plaza]

I was able to win with 2k params

[junior crown]

After second sync if you're not using the second sync with the pair you have max move, before second sync if you finish mid with it

Or bring stun/sleep/countdown reduc to compensate

[onyx ice]

Most max moves users have sync accelleration somewhere (but maybe not at 1/5)

However without sync countdown i won't use max move presync, unless you do it just before the sync (screwing quad queue) if you need something like weather or terrain for the sync

[dark osprey]

You can activate max moves without sync countdown reduction maybe to deny an opponent

The weird ones are like the supports with max moves like melony

For her I personally prefer using the max move as the first turn in the battle and then quad queueing

[onyx ice]

Melony has sing so she can make up for that

[dark osprey]

Yeah that too and her shields last until just before the second sync

Can start off with her max moves and quad queue with a normal move to not lose out on a move

[nocturne pawn]

melony really said oops all shields

[onyx ice]

It all depends on the comps and abilities to quad

Personally i like to max move turn 2 with Leon, dues to burst in and healthy super hit

[unborn mason]

i took down hala with darach + pigeot blue + acerola, which didn't sound like a team that would work but it did somehow

the way i finished it was so funny. darach and blue were down and so were hala + makuhita guy and acerola somehow tanked machamp's constant attacks, outsped it, and chipped away at it with multiple bullet seeds

acerola really went "so it's down to me huh", loaded up bulu, and gunned down that machamp

now acerola is the final boss before the champion

[noble plaza]

Is it worth doing presync for round 4?

[tired sleet]

Depends on what the team comp is

[noble plaza]

I'm going against Kahili. I'm definitely using Giovanni EX

Is there something wrong with Giovanni?

[tired sleet]

Giovanni is good but he is somewhat team dependent
Who were you planning on bringing with him?

[noble plaza]

Well he needs special attack buffing so probably either Sabrina or Roxanne

Maybe both but I might want to have a flincher/sleeper

[old orchid]

do you have Bianca?

[noble plaza]

nope 😔

[tired sleet]

Oh, you have bede tho, even better

[noble plaza]

oh yeah I do have Bede!

[tired sleet]

Is your Giovanni gridded? Cuz in that case you could spam Dazzling Gleam with Bede, and then use Max Mindstorm right before your sync

[noble plaza]

oh yeah Gio is gridded

sorry for the dumb question but what does Psychic Terrain do? I mean I'd imagine it'd boost the power of psychic moves but does it have additional effects like in the games?

[mellow linden]

Priority doesn’t exist in PMEX, so afaik it’s just a 50% damage boost for Psychic moves/Sync Moves/Max Moves

[noble plaza]

There aren't priority moves in POMA so I'm assuming that's not a benefit of the terrain

[tired sleet]

Yeah they didn’t add a secondary effect to psychic terrain

[noble plaza]

lmao it got the short end of the stick

oh did they not include misty terrain?

[tired sleet]

Yeah they seemed to not bother adding it since a 50% dragon resist and status immunity would be pretty niche

Tapu Fini sets Fairy Zone instead