Champion Stadium

[old orchid]

She has Brainteaser at base grid right? she doesnt

[swift swan]

what's up with older units having power flux as DPS multiplier

[main crow]

She only has CS2 at grid

And that I suppose

[old orchid]

Barry moment

[main crow]

Oh shit how did I forgot her

Karen's got a real nice PB too

[old orchid]

[keen jasper]

Yo guys. I need help to clear Olivia with SS Lysandre, Champion Calem and Champion Serena

Any advice?

[trail smelt]

Don’t auto

[main crow]

Get a cure, ur diagnosed with skill issue bruh

[swift swan]

hey caster, i typed in your symptoms in the search bar here and it says you're diagnosed with skill issues

[keen jasper]

[mellow linden]

Huh, I never realized Alola CS had 2 Ground weak stages

[swift swan]

iirc hoenn had two grass-weak too?

[mellow linden]

True, but in Hoenn it is the same “slot”

It’s weird, either way

[swift swan]

agreed

[formal vigil]

Alola also has 2 fire weak stages too

[swift swan]

one more annoying than the other

[mellow linden]

Wow, technically 3

But 2 are both the Champions

[devout sluice]

Dark weak is always my favorite typing to face in CS, can’t wait to try it out next reset.

[swift swan]

I have so many options for dark weak and water weak that I get confused sometimes

[mellow linden]

More SC Zinnia fun tomorrow

[main crow]

I love juggling through CyruSS/Karen/MR for dark

But makes me forgetful sometimes who I used last

[swift swan]

I'm juggling through sidney, nessa, karen, furbert, cerena, my newly acquired 3/5 MR...

[old orchid]

Use Rachel's dps

[swift swan]

no rachel

[old orchid]

[tired sleet]

racheL

[swift swan]

[tired sleet]

Dw, I’m also an L

[spare condor]

https://imgur.com/a/TZlqsbA
Can I get some team ideas to clear hard mode of aolas champion stadium? I need to fight Olivia, khahii and acerola. I can’t use professor sycamor, SS Serena and clemont.

[keen jasper]

SS Diantha alone destroys Kahili. I'm not sure whether Cyrus should be used for Olivia or Hau. I guess Allister(?) for Acerola

[tired sleet]

If its for hard mode, they should focus on getting the medal

[keen jasper]

@spare condor Is it hard or master you're doing?

[tired sleet]

They said hard mode

[keen jasper]

Ah hard

[pure haven]

@mellow linden sorry for ping

I just have to follow this example right?

Also, on type means all the team or just the striker?

[mellow linden]

No need to ping me specifically, lots of folks can help out.

On-type just means your damage-dealer(s) is/are super-effective, the type of your Supports almost never matters.

So you can just use the example params as a base and adjust as needed based on your team

[pure haven]

Kk, tysm

Let's get into endgame

[grand trout]

Is it bad to say i want sinnoh next nonth

[old orchid]

Its not that bad because Sinnoh or Kalos is likely next

[weak sleet]

Isn't sinnoh the harder one?

[old orchid]

Yeah

One of the hardest regions

[paper summit]

November 2022 was the last time it was on rotation, so yeah, it's overdue

[mellow linden]

…You mean 2022?

[paper summit]

don't think Kalos will return this soon

[paper summit]

shhh, you saw nothing

[zealous karma]

I think hoenn is wat more troubling than sinnoh

[old orchid]

Hoenn took 4 months to return

[zealous karma]

Kalos jumpscare

[old orchid]

[trail smelt]

Naw man

GALAR jumpscare

[toxic cobalt]

Galar VA in a couple monthe

Getting ready for a Champion time

[crystal galleon]

Are all the e4 members physical attackers this week? Or should I use slot 1 sp. atk reduction on someone specific?

[toxic cobalt]

Generally X attack reduction parameters do very little

They’re shields so they expire before your first sync

The biggest impact they have is preventing quadqueue, so build around the other rounds first.

[swift swan]

decide who you fight on R4 first

halfsync is nasty

[crystal galleon]

Oh in that case I'm fine then since I don't quadqueue. (yes, I complete 12.5k without quadqueing)
And I chose ghost for half sync since I have anni Lillie.

[swift swan]

well if you can clear 12.5k comfortably then you're fine regardless of round params then

[crystal galleon]

... I wouldn't call my clears comfortable
I clear them, but it's always relatively chaotic

[toxic cobalt]

Annilili cuts through the chaos

[crystal galleon]

... fingers crossed.

[swift swan]

good luck for the next one hour and a half

[crystal galleon]

I'm going to go back in time and smack myself

[swift swan]

[trail smelt]

Last hour woo

[dull yarrow]

I was supposed to do Champion Stadium yesterday but was busy with Zelda, so doing it now 23 minutes before reset

Well

Finishing it

Started it last Monday but forgot to finish

[marsh crater]

5 min left

[marsh crater]

Last minute again?

[swift swan]

whoops, reset time

let me see the params this week

updated

[old orchid]

PERM FIELD EFFECTS

[swift swan]

half sync again

[devout sluice]

Done.

Now let’s see what’s next weeks.

[toxic cobalt]

Perm field effects doesn’t make up for the rest of it

[verbal karma]

hmm...R1 Hala for Anni Skyla or R1 Kahili for Sygna Suit Lana?

[old orchid]

R1 Hala

[devout sluice]

Just be careful for round 4.

[old orchid]

Lana has extended terrain and has 2 more terrain uses

[verbal karma]

fair

[main crow]

Permanent field effects my beloveds

[verbal karma]

ah, damn

Palentine Elesa/Anni Skyla/Sonia isn't good enough of a team for R1 Hala 😦

[main crow]

I feel like anni skyla herself as dps/nuke should suffice

[dark osprey]

it should be enough. better to save ur FlYs until after the first sync so as to get boosted damage. also Anni Skylas nuke

[junior crown]

Nooo, I needed more damage from poison/trap to deal with Kahili...

[trail smelt]

LMAO Grass Weak champion with perma field effects

SS Acerola ate them up

[verbal karma]

funnily enough, I spam Metronome with Palentine's Elesa, not Fly

but yeah, the problem is: Anni Skyla can't beat Hala before he does his first sync

...she can survive that first sync and then beat Hala later, but then gets beaten by the sides using AoE

[toxic cobalt]

Two Anni Skyla syncs don't finish off Hala?

[verbal karma]

it's one sync from my EX'd Sonia and then a sync from Anni Skyla

Anni Skyla is ALSO EX'd, btw

[toxic cobalt]

Surprising

[verbal karma]

she is only 2/5, though, so I can't grid Soften Up on her, sadly

and neither can I grid Inertia

or any of the sync buff grids

...I actually have two tech candies right now, but I'm not sure if it's a good idea to spend one of them on Anni Skyla right away or if I should spend them on a different tech sync pair instead

...hold on, lemme ask exactly that in #poma-questions

[trail smelt]

Ready for next week. Not sure if bug team will work but I EX’d Lusamine dammit and I’m gonna use her

[manic kiln]

what is this team, skyla is special, elesa is physical, she has no business here, and both of them are nuke pair with subpar dps, and sonia is a physical support, you can't even max skyla sp atk

[verbal karma]

Anni Skyla is here to make use of the R1 gimmick

[manic kiln]

that's not the point, your team building is all over the place

change the support and also replace elesa

[formal vigil]

But what if elesa main attacker?

[manic kiln]

you can't take advantage of the zone if your team did no dmg

[keen jasper]

Does the "role" take x3 more damage affects only the enemies' move or does it affect both normal and sync moves?

[verbal karma]

I was thinking about having Elesa as a back-up attacker, actually

[manic kiln]

both 2/5 so not like any huge nuke dmg, but at least skyla nuke is better here. also mixing sp and physical is not good when you don't know what you're doing

metronome is random, fly is a waste of time so she's not exactly a 2nd dps

[verbal karma]

hmm...would Blue be a good replacement for Pal Elesa then?

because if not, then...well, I also have Lysandre, I guess, but he's only 1/5, so I dunno how much he could help

[manic kiln]

you can try, at least he's also special so better than elesa, but change the support, i know you want potion but sonia didn't help the other 2

[verbal karma]

well, I have Sonia replaced with Kiawe because he can at least buff Sp. Atk

[manic kiln]

Here both 1/5

kiawe is better than sonia, a bit slow so you have to waste 1-2 more turns to max sp atk

[verbal karma]

ah, the "you can try" was referring to Lys, not Blue, whoops

but man, I almost have beaten Hala before he synced

but then Anni Skyla's Air Cutter decided to fucking miss at the worst possible time 😦

[manic kiln]

lysandre also has sync countdown so you don't have to worry about quadqueue

both blue and skyla want the sync so not ideal, and you want support sync too

[verbal karma]

well, see, if Anni Skyla's Air Cutter wouldn't have missed, I would have beaten Hala before he would have done his sync

which means I could have won

but nooooo, of course I had to get screwed over by RNG

oh hey, I can grid an accuracy buff on Air Cutter

nevermind, now the post Anni Skyla sync quad queue failed

...I am not even sure if switching Blue with Lys will even help that much in the first place

especially since Oblivion Wing is VERY move gauge hungry

[manic kiln]

his dps is way better, blue does no damage without mega, and i just cleared so why do you have to doubt it

[verbal karma]

no idea tbh

aight, lemme try that then

[manic kiln]

his tm also gives gauge btw

[verbal karma]

understood

alright, with R1 Hala beaten, I will now mainly have to decide who to pick for R4 so I can avoid that E4 member for R2 and R3

I...will prolly NOT pick Olivia for R4, now that I have my units in front of me, so...uh...

R4 Acerola or R4 Kahili?

My candidates

[swift swan]

Kahili I think

With lear, you can sync very quickly and wipe out mid

[verbal karma]

understood

R2 and R3 seem pretty throwaway, though, so I'll just wing those two, I guess

[swift swan]

Just remember r2 prevents quadqueueing

[verbal karma]

yeah, will have to use a Support with Andrenaline then

[keen jasper]

Turn denial?

[verbal karma]

eh, too unreliable for me, sadly

at least Adrenaline is guaranteed

luckily, I know which support I can use, tho

[verbal karma]

Done

[latent eagle]

Is there an order for this weeks CS?

[swift swan]

not much. just be careful on who you fight R4

[trail smelt]

Half sync and all that

Best have your strongest/fastest clearing team there

[latent eagle]

So a pika team got it

[swift swan]

well there's also the question of who you'll fight on r4

probably don't do Olivia

+2 crit after sync

of course, if you can presync even at half sync countdown, it doesn't matter much

[latent eagle]

Well there goes my plan

[shrewd oyster]

I did olivia r4, can confirm that was a stupid f-ing idea

I should have done acerola for ch!marnie memes

[latent eagle]

Uhhh I guess acerola or hala for R4 then bc SS Ethan is a flying monster and ch!marnie for acerola

[swift swan]

all this doesn't matter if you can kill mid before their sync anyway

I presynced Kahili R4

[main crow]

I should've saved Acerola for R4 if I had known Kahili have an annoying air slash spam

[keen jasper]

Me Who Did Olivia in R4:

[spring fable]

Is r1 the safest round to offtype Olivia?

[swift swan]

offtype with who?

[spring fable]

Probably pika? I tried ss Lysandre with rain but he died to first sync

These are the teams I made last week

[swift swan]

try the pikachu team then

[dusty yarrow]

I wish Kahili gets an EX

[spring fable]

It worked as expected, anyone I should avoid for r4?

[dusty yarrow]

(atleast to me), there isn't someone to avoid in R4 (Half-Sync)

[swift swan]

probably Olivia

[dusty yarrow]

maybe Hala w/ its higher base attack taking adv of gaining a quicker Sync Buff w/ Half-Sync or Oliva w/ the guaranteed +1 Def & Sp.Def w/ every hit she takes

[swift swan]

that's not even what makes postsync Olivia annoying

it's the fact that she uses TM after sync, which gives her +2 crit

[dusty yarrow]

oh right... then she also has Dazzling Gleam

*Insert the Pain of your DPS getting killed by a Crit Adjacent move

[spring fable]

Okie 12.5k done!

The pika clear was the slowest one

[nimble shell]

Even though they're expensive, I still use 1 gen pool unit on every team

Just realized if I use lussamine will be all 5 teams with master too

[shell spade]

Good old faithful poison stall, for when you cant be asked.😂

[old orchid]

put your clear result in #1010274591601598555 y'all

[tribal agate]

dw it's "fine" if chat is dead now (just preferably open a stage clear for the future)

[nimble shell]

Proceed to talk nonsense and revive the chat

[junior crown]

Could improve that poison stall, don't need both Sycamore and Aaron, it's better to sub one of them for Lucy

[toxic cobalt]

Regular poison stall

[crystal notch]

R1...hmm, was thinking of offtyping ground weak olivia

With f2p water team...or not so f2p fire team

Is that a good idea?

My usual off typers are doing their duty cough ssteven cough somewhere else

[shell spade]

What does Lucy offer? I picked Aaron for this to get the extra special defence ups to counter the drops.

[tribal agate]

Lucy has bad poison & trap

great for stalling

i mean i'm not sure how you even stalled without bad poison to begin with

that's the entire base concept

[toxic cobalt]

Because Sycamore is busted

Also Sycamore counters all spdef drops Aaron is an imposter

[shell spade]

Pretty sure the fight was over 10 mins without speed up lmao. I would be well over sync 9, I think I even went to at least 15

[tribal agate]

yeah that's way too much

not "proper" stalling, like they said yeet away that Sycamore and use Lucy next time
keep Sycamore for another staller like BP Erika (or swap with Aaron that's fine too)

[junior crown]

My tips for stall

Poison Stall Strategy:
Pairs that can inflict badly poison: Lucy, Koga, BP Erika, BP Janine, Tech Golbat, Tech Arbok, SS Leaf and Emma
For teammates: Tanker + Debuff attack (physical/special/both) + Buff defense (physical/special/both) + Heal (potions/synchro healing/gradual healing/recuperation)
Additional things that can help: Trap, Multiple sources of healing (Master Healer as well), Speed, Evasion, Confusion and Flinch
You want at least the main tanker with Vigilance (all if possible), MPR (for def buffs and heals)
You don't need EX, but the higgest the level and the potential your pairs are, the more HP/Def you'll have
Follow the parameters pinned for Poison Stall
Examples of F2P teams for the base (to be improved/changed with other pairs that each player have): Skyla Mina BP Janine / Liza Viola Koga / Sycamore Ghetsis BP Erika / BP Clemont OG Janine Lucy / BP Morty Tech Arbok Tech Nidoqueen

[old orchid]

Depends on teams

[shell spade]

Oooh, alright. I'll keep that in mind for next time. Should I upgrade Lucy to 5 star for this, or would 4 still work? What move level is good?

[tribal agate]

4* still works, no need for move levels either

bad poison inflicts HP% dmg which greatly increases for every tick unlike normal poison

which means instead of 10+ minutes you're looking at 3

because by tick 5 you're dealing 25k dmg (sorta)
and trap is also good to have as a bonus

[shell spade]

Sweet, thanks for the advice. Definitely was pretty cancerous going that long, but it beat trying to manoeuvre my within a hair's breath to get that last sliver down. Was driving me mental

[junior crown]

You don't neet grid, but it can help in some cases, this is what I use for Lucy:

[crystal notch]

Just tried out both, not going that well

[shell spade]

Saving, thank you!

[crystal notch]

Might try out bea nuke offtype for funsies though

[old orchid]

R1 has perma field param, which is really great for SSA Cynthia and Bea offtype

[crystal notch]

Will this team run out of gauge?

Just nuke with bea twice? Or is the +50% buff significant enough to sync with ss lucario first

[old orchid]

Sync with Cynthia first

And use Marley instead of Torchic

[crystal notch]

She does set field on entry after all

Noted, marley it is

[old orchid]

Grid Marley Team Sharp Entry 1

Your Bea is only 1/5, so she appreciates EX support sync a lot

Oh wait, in this case Solgaleo Focus Blast is better

[crystal notch]

Was just about to ask

[old orchid]

Do you have Lucian?

[crystal notch]

Ofc

Still R1

So I have everyone available

Mind sending Solga grid?

On mobile, kinda sucks

Haven't set up solga expansion grid

[old orchid]

Go to #1009587872342478908pins and take Focus Blast / Sharp Entry grid

Lucian buffs speed so you dont need to worry about gauge

[marsh crater]

another ez 12.5k. Ok time to sleep

[zealous karma]

Accidentally left Furburt + Acerola for round 4 but he somehow won pre sync

[noble plaza]

Any recommended order this week?

[old orchid]

Just avoid fighting Olivia on R4 if you cant pre sync her

Acerola is recommended on R2

[neon kiln]

I did olivia then hala then acerola

[old orchid]

Since she mostly uses special moves

[neon kiln]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1093077307050176532/1107667972442574889/IMG_9902.png

Did this

[zealous karma]

What’s Olivia weak too

On ground

[neon kiln]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1093077307050176532/1107667972887154790/IMG_9903.png

[zealous karma]

What did kukui ever do to you

[mellow linden]

I personally did Kahili -> Olivia -> Hala -> Acerola, but my Dark team is absurdly broken and pre-Synced with post-Sync parameters on half-Sync round, so a BIG YMMV on that one

[neon kiln]

I overkill him so bad lmao

He never see the light of day

[zealous karma]

I did Kahili -> Olivia -> Hala -> ace as well

Furburt sync nuke real

[neon kiln]

But it feels nice I don’t have to rely on poison stall this week

[noble plaza]

I was thinking Olivia first because of sand haha

[zealous karma]

Swagger

[noble plaza]

Would it be possible to presync Accerola with my roster? Note that SS Blue is now 2/5 and I have Alolan Grimsley (1/5)

I can't send an updated roster because I'm on mobile and the download image button doesn't work

[tribal agate]

i see a Karen and Sidney that could prove very useful

[swift swan]

inhales
Jaw Lock Nessa

Nessa, Masked Royal, Hop. Staple dark team

[tribal agate]

i'd personally swap Nessa for Sidney but both are fine

[swift swan]

Sidney also works instead of Nessa, yeah

One's just nuke oriented, the other is DPS

but with sidney you lose 50 pts from taking off interference immunity!

[tribal agate]

lol

Sidney's conditions are easier to setup than Karen's that's why

and he's self sufficient and fast buffing

[swift swan]

[noble plaza]

Okay, thanks!

[zealous karma]

Also doesn’t require sync to get her damaging move

[noble plaza]

True

[noble plaza]

Wait are we talking about Nessa or Karen 😅

[tribal agate]

well i wrote Karen

Nessa has a water sync

[noble plaza]

Yeah true

[swift swan]

I prefer using her to nuke, personally. Since it's respectable now

[noble plaza]

Wait is Hop a good tank for Accerola? I mean, Palossand is a special attacker

I mean it might help to save her for r2

[swift swan]

R2 prevents quadqueue so you gotta keep that in mind

Hop's sp def is still decent. It can help if you grid him with wise entry, I think he has that

Besides if you presync, it's not that big of a deal anyway

[pure haven]

I COMPLETED CSMM 1500

[swift swan]

[pure haven]

Had a lot of trouble with Olivia tho since I was going off type

[swift swan]

Well done!

[pure haven]

Tysm

Now I'll start to upgrade the stuff I have so eventually I can do 2000

Also, do you recommend doing like, 2000 on type and 1500 off type?

Cuz I don't have any ground and water striker

[swift swan]

Water? Cyrus is very good

Well ontype is easier nowadays thanks to the new params

[pure haven]

But hydropump tends to fail a lot

[swift swan]

If you must offtype, you can try doing 2k to get a feel for it

[swift swan]

Grab some accuracy tiles. Cyrus has a hydro pump focused grid

[pure haven]

Ohh

[swift swan]

Slap him with a rain setter and you're set

[pure haven]

Welp, gonna use that then tysm

Now the problem is ground

The only "dps" I have is Courtney

[swift swan]

Ground is in a tough spot f2p, yeah. You can offtype it with your strongest dmg dealer

[swift swan]

Hmmm, do you have 3/5 bertha by any chance? She has an amazing nuke

[pure haven]

2/5

[swift swan]

Courtney is more of a nuker too at higher move levels. I'm not a fan of bulldoze, it gets AOE penalty

[pure haven]

I did 1.5k with lussa 3/5 ex

[swift swan]

Try a 2k offtype then I guess, see how comfortable you are with it

[pure haven]

Kk, thanks

If I can't do 2k I guess 1.5k is fine still

Gonna try once I arrive home

[swift swan]

It'll take some time to get used to increasing your params. Take your time!

[pure haven]

Got my ass beaten lol

[toxic cobalt]

happens!

[pure haven]

Yeah I definietly can't beat olivia off-type lol

[junior crown]

you can poison stall her

[pure haven]

I think the only poison I have is plumeria

Let me check

[junior crown]

Lucy + Janine

need a good tank

what defensive supp you have (and are not planning on using in the other rounds)??

[pure haven]

Xerneas will work?

Usually I use it on final roud but since I can beat it on-type

I don't worry too much

[junior crown]

Olivia is mixed damage (middle special, sides physical)

Sycamore should work, but if you have a mixed supp is better

[pure haven]

Wait what about bp janine?

Would be better than base janine?

[junior crown]

No

[pure haven]

Kk

[junior crown]

Janine is there to lower attack/sp attack

[pure haven]

What about cBede?

[junior crown]

Lucy will do poison and trap

cBede not good defensivelly

[pure haven]

Kk

Gonna try with sycamore

[junior crown]

Try Sycamore Lucy Janine and see how it goes

build recuperation on sycamore grid

[pure haven]

Forgot to mention I don't have full grid syca

Those are all my supports btw

[junior crown]

You don't need full grid, can try with this

What's important is having vigilance

does he have vigilance?

[pure haven]

Yes

[junior crown]

BP Morty is great defensivelly, if you can invest in him later (level, 3/5, grid and vigilance) he is great for poison stall, if Leaf was 3/5 she is good too

but for what you have right now, try with sycamore

[pure haven]

Kk

What do you recommend for janine's grid? All I see on de doc is ofensive

And for lucy aswell if you don't mind

Oh wait my lucy is 1/5 lol

I can candy her tho

[junior crown]

no

don't candy her

[pure haven]

Kk

[junior crown]

if you're low on resourcers, don't need to grid janine as well

but if you have lot's, I use this on mine (it's mostly status, the most important would be the gradual heallig node on her TM)

[pure haven]

Kk

And for lucy just take poison fang power+?

[swift swan]

Lucy barely needs the grid

If you're low on sync orbs, you don't even have to grid her

[pure haven]

Kk

If I fail a lot I'll send a video of what I may be doing wrong lol

[north crown]

honestly the most annoying thing about running Lucy for stall is her 50% poison chanc e on poison fang

but now that she has her HE1 on her grid, that isn't a problem anymore

[pure haven]

Wow poison stall takes ages lol

But it's fun seeing them kill themselves

[swift swan]

It sure is

[toxic cobalt]

Standard Koga run

[pure haven]

I think I played like trash yet I've still won

Welp, now Hala

[pure haven]

I DID IT

Ain't no way I'm trying 2.5k tho

[north crown]

why? the difficulty curve isn't that high once you reach 10k

[paper summit]

resetting is free, you can try as much as you want, and you are not gonna die IRL

not that you have to, but the option is there

[pure haven]

I was having a hard time already with 2k so I'm probably not going to be able to do 2.5k

Guess I could try, but I'm probably no gonna make it

[north crown]

eh you got a relatively new account so I wouldn't worry about it too much. You got all the important rewards alr.

[full mesa]

Anything above 4.2k is just flex

[north crown]

well yes but actually no. orbs are very scarce for newer players, so there's that going for them.

[jovial zealot]

Kinda scuffed, triple Cynthia team was funny

[tame gust]

Moves and Sync move. If the enemy gets a sync off with the damage booster you’re proper f’d.. also i just noticed time diff. My b.

[rotund lagoon]

This works better for #1010274591601598555 , k?

[jovial zealot]

Ah, saw this person post theirs so figured I’d be fine

[rotund lagoon]

That does not show teams tho?

[jovial zealot]

Didn’t know showing teams warranted a different channel, my fault

[rotund lagoon]

Showing teams is good when necessary if someone needs help. Otherwise, #1010274591601598555

[jovial zealot]

I was getting help earlier so I was just showing I was able to do it with the teams they recommended

But in the future I’ll use stage clears

[brave halo]

So which would look like the better team for next week?

[zealous karma]

Alder by a mile

[brave halo]

Just wasn't sure if technically guzma had the better support seeing how sonia and nita boosting attack

[zealous karma]

I’m not sure what you mean

Bring a Spatk debuffer like Viola instead of Sonia she’s only providing supp Ex on that team

[junior crown]

you prob want a special def and someone to help buff alder

[zealous karma]

Alder is very self sufficient outside of crit

[brave halo]

That's the only reason she's on there, being one of the only support ex I can use right now, as probably stated before my ex amount is lacking

[zealous karma]

I see

Guzma is really bad I wouldn’t recommend ever using him unless he gets a god tier Pb

[brave halo]

I really don't have much to use in terms of bug

[zealous karma]

Alder is quite much

[brave halo]

It was either him, lusamine, or burgh

[zealous karma]

Well you have alder

[brave halo]

At least before alder reached 3/5

[zealous karma]

I think alder is still very workable at 1/5

[brave halo]

Not for me

But he's 3/5 now, so he's safe to use

[zealous karma]

I see

[brave halo]

If he wasn't 3/5, I quotidian been forced into guzma, I still can't figure out what to do for lusamine, and burgh is screwed without ssmorty

And ssmorty is one my fire team for that week

[zealous karma]

5/5 Guzma is way worse than 1/5 alder

Guzma can’t do DPS or a very good sync and is very reliant on EX

[brave halo]

Well like I said, he didn't show it to me, alder just did nothing as 1/5

[paper summit]

just because you personally don't use a pair properly it doesn't mean they don't work

more move levels make pairs more powerful, sure, but most of them are perfectly usable at base

[brave halo]

I used him, he didn't provide the required damage, and almost died pretty quickly, so he got shelved instantly

But he's 3/5 now, he can be used so we're safe

Tho now idk who to use over sonia here

My only other support ex are sycamore and Rosa, but idk if sycamore is actually beneficial to alder

[marsh crater]

Easy 12.5k

[paper summit]

please use #1010274591601598555 for this next time

[fiery canopy]

new week lets go everybunny

permanent field effects for r1 you say.....

sslana vs kahili is the obvious choice for r1, but whoooo should go with her

[mellow linden]

SS Lana is pretty self-sufficient, so a tank + either another Psychic damage-dealer or a 2nd utility pair works

[zealous karma]

Iirc Lana is super self sufficient so you can pair a lot of units with her

[fiery canopy]

gotcha
was thinkin that shes self sufficient so i dont wanna waste any tooo good supports on her

[brave halo]

So is sycamore bad for alder? Considering who else I got in the team

[mellow linden]

Sycamore is fairly redundant paired with Alder

Alder maxes his Sp. Atk. in a single turn

[brave halo]

I really got no other support ex i can use, unless I use rosa

[mellow linden]

You’re still doing Hard Mode?

[brave halo]

Yeah I have to

[mellow linden]

Type medal not done?

[brave halo]

Just finished the medal today

[mellow linden]

Then you can reset and do Master Mode

[fiery canopy]

just decided to fill in the spots w a couple types i needed

[mellow linden]

But if you’re still gonna refuse to do Master Mode and the Alder team is for next week then Support EX is wholly unnecessary

[brave halo]

Not attempting that yet tho, so no reason to reset

[mellow linden]

850 points per stage can be done with no difficulty increase compared to Hard Mode, but regardless.

If Alder team is for Hard Mode on next week then crit buffs + someone to manage gauge and help deal with Hau’s Paralysis shenanigans is all that’s needed, EX is unnecessary since Alder can blow away Hard Mode with supereffective Hyper Beams

[trail smelt]

HardAlola easily crushed haha

[fiery canopy]

wish i had more flying type damage dealers

whatevs ill just offtype this one

[north crown]

blue:

[brave halo]

That ain't enough for me in the end, so I need to wait till I have more ex, but does this look better for what you said then?

[north crown]

eyah that seems p solid. it would be better with supp ex tho

and you gotta run post sync

[brave halo]

Like I said I only got 4 support ex right now

It'll be five next week at least cause cynthia is next

[north crown]

oh this is for next week.. eh you shouldn't have to worry much about it

also rosa candy..!?!!?!? 💀

[brave halo]

I forget when I did that tbh

Eventually she'll get another

[mellow linden]

It is enough, you just picked bad parameters the 1st time you tried

[brave halo]

Most of my supports are 3/5 anyway, and it was I believe before I got some more exclusives like Easter burgh and ball guy

[fiery canopy]

goddamnit i thought i completed the medal but i missed bug type

shoulda double checked

[brave halo]

Still I need to wait before attempting, I'd rather not get destroyed right off the bat

[trail smelt]

Oof

Whenever I type clear I try to make sure that the remaining 3 types I need to do on the second week is a weakness

[paper summit]

RIP, there is always next week at least, unless it's the last week of the region

[trail smelt]

2 more weeks

Oh huh I forgot there was a poison weak champ

In Alola

[brave halo]

I actually need to make a team for poison x.x

But my only usable strikers are plumeria and roxie

[mellow linden]

Roxie + Lucy + 3/5 Hilbert or 3/5 Sonia has yet to fail me on a Poison weak stage

[brave halo]

I do have Rosie and sonia together for this, but lucy isn't gridded up yet, so I gotta find some other stuff for now

[paper summit]

that stage won't happen in 2 weeks

[brave halo]

There we go, hopefully it works

[old orchid]

Why double support tho?

[mellow linden]

Hilbert + Sonia is pure redundancy

[brave halo]

Idk who else to use here

[mellow linden]

One or the other will basically be dead weight

[mellow linden]

Just…grid Lucy

How are you short on orbs, do you just not do the daily stage?

[brave halo]

I'm distracted with other pairs at the moment

[old orchid]

And you even have two weeks to grind orbs

[mellow linden]

With all the events going on + the daily stage I sincerely doubt you’ll be unable to get enough orbs to grid Lucy in 2 weeks

[brave halo]

Already used all those orbs for others

[old orchid]

[brave halo]

And tomorrow is going into BP morty as I have one more slot to fill for that

[mellow linden]

I guess throw Nanu on the team instead of Sonia since it’s Hard Mode if you somehow are unable to even get Lucy’s Sync nuke tiles in 2 weeks

[zealous karma]

Than bring a defense debuffer

[brave halo]

So Colress

[zealous karma]

Sounds good

[mellow linden]

Colress is better saved for another team since he also contributes Paralysis, but if he’s not being used elsewhere then sure, I guess

[brave halo]

Fuuuuu I need to check my steel team

I don't remember if colress is one that

[mellow linden]

If he is then just use Nanu

Screech is the important thing

[brave halo]

OK he's not on the team, good

Dodged a bullet

[mellow linden]

It really wouldn’t be a big deal either way since Nanu has the nice property of existing

[brave halo]

.....problem with that....

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-paranoid-gif-4974019

[zealous karma]

Colress isn’t exactly a DPS

[mellow linden]

What sort of problem is there with using Nanu? He’s free from story and literally just has to click Screech and maybe Bite

No grid required

[brave halo]

You should already know what I'm about to say to that

[mellow linden]

No, I really don’t

[brave halo]

He doesn't have a grid yet

[zealous karma]

He doesn’t need ome

I want to cry

[mellow linden]

So did you just not read or?

[mellow linden]

See above

[brave halo]

I wasn't looking while typing

But if I'm the one playing, I need a grid or else I die

[mellow linden]

No you don’t

If you are dying without grid on Hard Mode that is not the fault of not having a grid, that is a result of bad teambuilding or bad gameplay

In which case the solution is to improve your teambuilding or gameplay, not to wait until you grid

[brave halo]

If anything I do have bp clemont too who does have a grid

[paper summit]

glad to see you continue wasting everyone's time

[old orchid]

We had used gridless Nanu for ages until he got one

[paper summit]

what's this attitude of being so resistant to the advice you are given? if you feel you know better than anyone then why bother coming here?

[mellow linden]

BP Clemont is better than Nanu for this purpose. Not due to any difference in grid, mind you, it’s just that BP Clemont’s base kit offers more than Nanu’s base kit

It wouldn’t matter if both were 1/5 gridless or 5/5 fully gridded

[brave halo]

How about BP clemont vs colress in this scenario?

[brave halo]

It's never an attitude, it's just not wanting to throw in a character in who's only investment so far is being 140 I'd rather not get obliterated right away cause I forgot to get a specific slot from said grid that's necessary

[grave wyvern]

You do not need a specific grid if you are only spamming Screech

Use whatever grid you want to do, it doesn't matter

[weak sleet]

Is there anyone I should avoid for round 4?

[old orchid]

Olivia

[weak sleet]

Oh okay

Maybe I'll do round 1 for her then?

Can the rats off type flying?

[paper summit]

rats can off type literally anything

[weak sleet]

I was thinking kahili for round 4

I was going to use Necrozma

That would be okay right?

[zealous karma]

Kahili is very easy so ye

[weak sleet]

Oh good

My thought is Groudon for ground, rats for flying, Necrozma for psychic, Celebi and leafeon for grass, and frogs for dark.

[tired sleet]

That should probably work

[paper summit]

it's pretty much easy mode with those units

[tired sleet]

Wait why are there 2 consecutive ground weak stages; I don’t recall any ground units being ran this month

[paper summit]

for funsies? it's 2 different battles at least

[noble plaza]

I can't seem to presync Accerola with Hop+Sidney+Masked Royal, even if I use Hop's sync first

[paper summit]

what?

[tired sleet]

Sync with Sidney or Royal first; Hop’s sync is near useless pre sync

[paper summit]

why would you sync with Hop?

[tired sleet]

If you’re doing it for adrenaline, you could just denial with one of the nukers instead for the same effect while taking out a side

[paper summit]

ngl, I didn't remember even a little Hop has Adrenaline

goes to show I never sync with the guy, granted that'll change with Galar's VA

[old orchid]

He doesn't have EX at the moment, so his sync is useless

Better do turn denial with either Sidney or TMR

[trail smelt]

Yeah don’t sync with an EXless support

[noble plaza]

doesn't support sync give you a boost in power or something?

OHHHH IT WAS EX SUPPORT

sorry I forgot that part 😅

[noble plaza]

...yeahhh I cannot nuke this gengar to turn deny. is Sydney supposed to be EX'd?

[paper summit]

are you queueing a Darkest Lariat from MR targeting that Gengar after Sidney's sync?

[noble plaza]

wait the sync isn't supposed to nuke the gengar?

[paper summit]

yes

[crystal notch]

you don't have to kill with sync

just kill in that turn

[noble plaza]

ohhhhhhhh

[paper summit]

but you should queue a move in case the sync doesn't kill

[noble plaza]

that makes sense!

[zealous karma]

there's a dark week stage why using MR?

[paper summit]

because he is dark...

[noble plaza]

I'm using it on the dark weak stage

[paper summit]

Acerola is dark weak

[zealous karma]

o

[crystal notch]

bruuuh

[paper summit]

pay attention

[zealous karma]

I kinda completely blank out of CS stages after I clear them

[noble plaza]

[noble plaza]

that's totally fair

[zealous karma]

~~I tested furburt like 18 times pre sync today and still forgot, synopsis good fun unit ~~

[noble plaza]

furburt?

[zealous karma]

Fall Hilbert

[paper summit]

Fall Hilbert, that I refuse to ever call that way

[zealous karma]

He looks like a furry

so Furbert

[noble plaza]

yeah I figured that's what you meant

...yeah im looking at it right now and I definitely see what you mean

i can't get over the fedora though.

[zealous karma]

I like testing the random assortment of units I have in my stage clears post so ye lel

[noble plaza]

fair enough!

[zealous karma]

Wait kukui is weak to grass that did not register either

sometimes I wonder if I actually play the game

[paper summit]

I mean, if anything you play this game way too much

[zealous karma]

I only do like dailies my time of playing the game to much was last summer I play feh way more

[noble plaza]

Wait, how is Darkest Lariat supposed to kill the Gengar? Sidney's sync only gets it to like half health and Darkest Lariat did like 350 damage. Was I supposed to use X Attack? I mean, I had Hop's TR.

[paper summit]

ok, a couple things, what move levels are Sidney and MR? and 350 damage sounds very wrong, pls tell me you didn't pick physical damage reduction as a parameter

even a critless attack shouldn't be that low

[noble plaza]

...i was following the 2.5k on type pre-sync params in the spreadsheet

unless you mean the 100 points one...which i might've forgotten to change in my preset oops.

[paper summit]

yes, that has physical damage reduction selected by default... but as the notes at the top say, you need to adapt to the team

[noble plaza]

yeah that makes sense

(also 3/5 Sidney and 1/5 MR)

that makes much more sense haha

OKAY THE SYNC ACTUALLY KILLED THE GENGAR. sorry for the silly mistake, I forgot to change my preset aha

there we go! thanks so much for all the help!

[pure haven]

Welp that's the best I can do

I don't have any flying dps for hala

Had to beat it off-type 2k with lussa

[crystal notch]

Not even ex PB zinnia?

Or are you a new player

[swift swan]

2/5 Blue is decent

[crystal notch]

Her dragon ascent is flying type

[pure haven]

I mean I could reset and I try but idk if I can do it

Beat most of csmm with aoe

[noble plaza]

Does Blue + Pidgeot need to be EX'd to do 2.5k pre-sync for Hala?

[old orchid]

No

You just need to quad queue if you dont have Flying Zone

[dark osprey]

Or can try with SS Elesa sync countdown reduction if you have them

[noble plaza]

I do actually 👀

[dark osprey]

Hope for the MPR and use one before the sync and one after the first sync

Main issue may be Elesas tanking but may get lucky

[tulip python]

Friendly reminder to always check your pre checked parameters…. Spent 20 mins beating my head against a wall wondering why Giovanni, who should be nuking the stage, was not.

I realized I had physically damage reduction enabled

Cleared it in one round after.

[noble plaza]

I literally just did that (scroll up)

isn't giovanni special though?

[tulip python]

Physical

Either way boy did I feel dumb haha

[zealous karma]

They meant ssgio

[noble plaza]

ohhh okay

[tulip python]

Oh right i forgot there were 3 of them

Yes I meant Fedora Giovani

[keen jasper]

SEUN, 6 stacks of PMUN and no move multipliers

[full mesa]

About Gladion. Do I have to use on type or off type parameters?

[old orchid]

ontype

[full mesa]

Perfect

[hidden ore]

I always have problem with Flying types with Hala, are presync params good for this team?
2,5k

[mellow linden]

You don’t need to run a monotype team, and you’d probably be able to make a better team by going multi-type

[plush tangle]

on type hala kinda sucks ngl

i used lodge serena

[old orchid]

F2p already has 1/5 Blue at worst

[plush tangle]

literally never on typed with Blue

[old orchid]

[plush tangle]

i never figured out how people get enough damage to do anything with him

well only thing i on typed with him is bulu

[zealous karma]

I always used blue + SsElesa

[onyx ice]

Not a big fan of regular blue

For flying weak i use SS Ethan + SC Lillie + Leon, mid goes down turn 2

That max airstream hits really hard

I feel that the leon's dynamax buff got a bit underestimated by people

[plush tangle]

talk about overkill

[onyx ice]

More than overkill is pre user sync

I guess the main issue with Pidgeot is that he has a bad but mandatory sync

[swift swan]

https://youtu.be/Cug4xwF2YTY like this

he worked for 2k Sinnoh for me too

[swift swan]

am I that big of a Blue truther despite loving the character? maybe not. I recognize he has his flaws that makes him annoying to use

but eh, he's serviceable

[dark osprey]

Blue, SS Elesa and Kahili is kinda a nice budget team

early first sync for Blue mega

and second sync for Kahili nuke

hope SS Elesa survives long enough

[trail smelt]

I relied on Blue early on but man I hated making a team for him lol

Means I had to slot Sabrina with him in order to get all multipliers

… man it’s been a long time since I used Sabrina

[north crown]

I remember using sselesa, blue, some sleeper/flincher

[brave halo]

I'm still waiting to get Steven/lysandre up to 3/5 for flying, that type is kinda small for me, it is flying blue in topic right? Or fire blue?

[mellow linden]

1/5 A. Steven + Kahili beats Flying stages easily

3/5 basically does nothing for A. Steven anyways since he doesn’t want to use his Sync Move in the vast majority of situations

Heck, if it’s Hard Mode you don’t even need Kahili

Since a crappy Sync Move won’t matter

[brave halo]

He's been just pathetic to me, can't take a hit even when maxed defenses and 150

So it's another edition of waiting till 3/5 to get a proper grid

[mellow linden]

3/5 won’t change his bulk, and he shouldn’t be taking hits outside of AoE in the 1st place

[rotund lagoon]

Have you even seen his grid?

Not every grid is the same.

[mellow linden]

So let me put this in perspective:

All of A. Steven’s stat boost grid tiles are at 1/5.

So he literally gains no bulk from 3/5

So if your issue is his bulk, more move levels will change absolutely nothing

[brave halo]

I mean even if poor bulk, his damage did literally nothing either

[mellow linden]

Guess what? His grid won’t make any significant difference there

Besides, Dragon Ascent’s damage is strong anyways

[manic kiln]

you use the wrong team/supports that's all. he can clear 2k5 CS even at 1/5

[rotund lagoon]

Is he getting the proper buffed stats? Are you triple queuing?

Are you also using him under the proper circumstances?

[manic kiln]

if you still getting this much trouble with hard mode/team building then 3/5 won't change a thing, with every pair not just steven

[brave halo]

I haven't used him for a long time due to how pathetic he is, and yes I have as much max as I can get

[rotund lagoon]

I mean in battle. What is your team?

[brave halo]

I don't have a team for him right now, my only flying team is this

[rotund lagoon]

You claim he is not doing good damage.

Tell me the team you used.

[brave halo]

I just showed it

[manic kiln]

your steven team

[brave halo]

I don't remember, it was a long time ago

[manic kiln]

[rotund lagoon]

We cannot help you with that there.

[mellow linden]

If you cannot remember the team then we have to assume it had little to no synergy

[rotund lagoon]

It is currently Flying Weak tho, you can try this week if you need to. Your Flying team you posted is not good anyway.

[brave halo]

I don't have anything else right now for flying

[mellow linden]

You have A. Steven

[rotund lagoon]

Blue exists too

I would say Zinnia but I honestly have a bias for her unit, so I’m not gonna talk out of my ass about it

[brave halo]

Well it doesn't matter as I already finished this week anyway, but blue I have no idea who properly works for him with what I have

[mellow linden]

A. Steven + one of the Attack/crit Supports + Kahili or another Support

[manic kiln]

This is an example of 1/5 steven clearing 2k5 and 0 point (hard mode). These 2 supports give him 5 different stats buff

you should be more than fine with him given the right supports

and he can can tank a sync move in hard mode they can't even do anything to you so i don't understand your claim that he can't take a hit

[brave halo]

He's just died way too many times for me to ever use him till he's 3/5 and properly gridded

Same with all my other strike 1/5

[rotund lagoon]

I’m afraid that does not connect at all.

[mellow linden]

Again, 3/5 does not offer a bulk increase

[manic kiln]

[mellow linden]

If you’re failing on Hard Mode then the fault does not lie with the Sync Pairs

The fault lies with poor teambuilding and/or gameplay

[manic kiln]

like you can say he does more dmg at 3/5 which is true, the bulk gain is non-existence so he will still die if your team has no synergy

this is why they release all these OP units like ash, the tapus, all these bmove users so you can delete a stage in a button, players don't have learn how to build a team but still failed, as we seen with people claiming pikachu didn't do enough dmg

[paper summit]

There is nothing we can do about people refusing to listen and learn

You can even make some eggmons work in CS, so yeah, actually knowing how to build teams and play the game goes a long way

[manic kiln]

iirc the first CS was released before sync grid so hard mode was intended to be cleared without sync grid

[paper summit]

Hard Mode is a lie, yeah, if you fail there, especially with strong units, then you don't know how to play and need to work on properly learning

but again, there is nothing we can do when a person comes with a resistant attitude and thinking they know better than anyone else, despite plenty of people with much more experience telling them they are wrong about something

[late grove]

psure sync grid was a thing when cs debut

yeah it debut around 1st anni when less sync pairs had sync grid at the time

[brave halo]

Here we go, all my flying, like I said I don't have much, not as bad as like ice but still, I can at least try to rock with hilbert, darach, and skyla if I did mono

[rotund lagoon]

You don’t need to do mono, first of all

Second of all, there are some solid options there, it’s just the matter of making the right team for them.

[mellow linden]

A. Steven + Attack/crit Support + 3rd teammate will beat Hard Mode Flying weak easily

3rd teammate ideally being another buffer or Darach/Kahili

[north crown]

bruh bruh bruh
good form passive:

I assume that you didn't know how to teambuild for specific kits, but how you should be able to at least do so for asteven, as his dps passives are easier to achieve

[brave halo]

But he's still 1/5, missing specific stuff in his grid

[mellow linden]

His grid contains a single 10% modifier

Basically nothing

He does not need his grid

At all

He doesn't want to use his Sync Move (that's why he's ideally on a team with a Sync nuker like Darach or Kahili), so those modifiers are pointless

[zealous karma]

but ice literally has Ghetsus

[brave halo]

But then what's the point of using him?

[mellow linden]

Wdym what’s the point, Dragon Ascent is good regular move damage

His Sync Move is what’s bad

His regular moves are fine

There’s loads of Sync Pairs who have either a good Sync Move and crappy regular move damage or good regular move damage but a crappy Sync Move

Kahili is a great example since her regular moves are Beak Blast and Peck (both poor regular move options), but her Sync nuke is good

So you just pair her with someone who has good regular move damage like A. Steven

It’s extremely common to do something like that

[manic kiln]

also steven can take advantage of double ex supports team

[zealous karma]

(They have lodge Serena as well)

[mellow linden]

Lodge Serena is also a good Sync nuker with crappy regular move damage, yeah

[zealous karma]

Me when I’m like the only mega striker who doesn’t buff my offenses, (also the only mega striker who buffs one stat)

[brave halo]

But wouldn't it make more sense to have pairs boost the kahili/darach over trying to add in steven?

[mellow linden]

You can boost both with 1 Support

[zealous karma]

Sonia is a good example

[mellow linden]

Or Hilbert

[zealous karma]

Sonia gets more stats for good form faster but true

[mellow linden]

Since both are physical damage-dealers you can get both their offenses maxed with the same Support

Again, this is a very common team setup archetype

The same principle of “one pair is for Sync nuke, 1 is for regular moves” is used in Roxie + Lucy teams, Archie + May teams, and SSR Cynthia + A. Lillie teams

Among others

[brave halo]

But by that logic, can't I still use hilbert?

[north crown]

bruh

we need to show this dude a 1/5 asteven showcase

[mellow linden]

Wdym

Hilbert would buff A. Steven and Kahili simultaneously

[brave halo]

Ou wait hold on

I'm thinking the wrong guy

I meant Nate who is who I used earlier

[north crown]

why are you using nate? garbage dps AND sync

[mellow linden]

A. Steven blows Nate out of the Water

If you’re gonna use Nate he’d be in the Kahili slot

Since iirc his Sync is passable

[north crown]

don't even consider using nate lmao

jusst use tlserena at that point

or if you can't afford a crit support for this team, gridded kahili

[brave halo]

Don't have her gridded yet

[mellow linden]

Darach can work in the Sync nuke slot as well

His nuke is rather absurd, but takes a long time to set up

Which works perfectly with A. Steven being able to handle regular move damage

[north crown]

also free speed teamwide speed buffs

tho both sonia and hilvert can handle that. darach makes the buffing process quicker so ig there's that

jut try sonia/hilbert, asteven, flying type nuke

[brave halo]

So could I try darach, hilbert, and sonia then?

[mellow linden]

No

Hilbert and Sonia are wholly redundant

Hilbert or Sonia + A. Steven + Darach is what they meant

Well, Darach or another Flying type Sync nuke

[zealous karma]

Sonia and hilbert literally do the same thing

[mellow linden]

Basically, the team would look like this:

Team Member 1 - Sonia or Hilbert: buffs the team’s Attack/crit.

Team Member 2 - A. Steven: does regular move damage.

Team Member 3 - Darach or another Flying type Sync nuker: sets up for their Sync nuke and uses it when the time comes.

[brave halo]

Well is there any other flyer based on who I have properly gridded up i can use over steven?

[mellow linden]

A. Steven is your best option for Flying type regular move damage

[tired sleet]

Steven is far better than anyone else you have

[sinful garden]

why do you not wanna use steven

[mellow linden]

By a fairly significant margin

[brave halo]

He's a 1/5

[zealous karma]

Why did you pull for anni Steven in the first place if you’re so against using@him?

[sinful garden]

so

that doesnt mean he's bad

[mellow linden]

They think he’s useless if he’s not 3/5

[tired sleet]

Still better than all of the other options

[mellow linden]

Which is a false assumption

[zealous karma]

(Does not just apply to steven)

[tired sleet]

Yeah steven’s grid is extremely mediocre

[sinful garden]

by the same logic 1/5 ash would be bad when he can still drop 70k nukes offtype

[zealous karma]

That’s only a 1K difference so Swag

actually 800 damage diff from 3/5 to 1/5

[mellow linden]

And a Sync nuke from Darach/Kahili would easily counter such a miniscule difference

[sinful garden]

also i assume this is 2.5k right

[mellow linden]

No, they’re doing Hard Mode

[sinful garden]

what

[mellow linden]

They can do Master Mode, but they apparently want to wait until they have more EXs

[sinful garden]

with a steven you should be to clear with your eyes closed

[mellow linden]

So we’re just kinda putting a pin in that topic

[sinful garden]

alright

[zealous karma]

I think they have plenty EX’s myself I cleared 2KMM when I only had like 3 EX’s or less

[brave halo]

3 ex is not enough for me, I need more or else I get killed instantly

[mellow linden]

You don’t need more

[tired sleet]

How are you supposed to get a bunch more without doing master mode

[zealous karma]

I’m pretty sure you have more than 3 ex’s because unless you didn’t Ex rosa I know you have Ex 3/5 Ash and SsTred, Sonia and the legendary adventure pairs

[mellow linden]

People have done EXless Master Mode clears

[zealous karma]

Yes aurochs makes plenty

[mellow linden]

with only free and low rarity pairs, even

[tired sleet]

If countless people have started do to master mode after a few weeks of playing with few exed pairs, there’s little reason why you can’t

[mellow linden]

The only difference between that and you is teambuilding and gameplay skill, which is not something that more EXs will solve

[sinful garden]

ok i just offtype'd it on hard mode with regular steven there is no way you cannot clear this with asteven

[tired sleet]

Especially seeing as 800 pts for example has no increase in difficulty

[zealous karma]

aurochs also used to do lvl one clears

But those units became leveled therefore unusable

[brave halo]

This is all I have, it's barely enough

[mellow linden]

It’s more than enough

[zealous karma]

Thats way more than enough

[sinful garden]

you can offtype 3 stages

[zealous karma]

I didn’t even have th at many support EX’s when I started playing

[sinful garden]

and only have to ontype 2 of them

[zealous karma]

They said off typing with ash and sstred was really hard

[mellow linden]

You do not need every member of your team to be EX (you don’t need any of the team to be EX, as Aurochs’ clears prove)

[sinful garden]

what

[mellow linden]

That would’ve been due to bad parameter selection

Bad parameters will make even the OPikachus look weak

[tired sleet]

Wth you have 3/5 ash, zerena, tred, and ssmorty

[manic kiln]

not even 850 points tho still hard mode, when those pairs should delete 2k5 easily

[zealous karma]

I went to look back my first CSMm clear only had 4 ex’s in Sabrina SSLeon Jasmine and Gio

[formal vigil]

i had none

[sinful garden]

Just offtype'd it with this and even fucked up metal burst

you really shouldnt have ANY troubles with asteven

[zealous karma]

Recuperation 2

[brave halo]

I'm just not gonna attempt until I get more ex, I need them guaranteed

[tired sleet]

You’d get them guaranteed if you did master mode

[mellow linden]

You can guarantee 850 no problem

[zealous karma]

Wat

[mellow linden]

850 is literally Hard Mode unless your teams are total garbage

[zealous karma]

Im still not sure I understand what you’re reasoning

[brave halo]

And I can get them by Hard mode too, so it's safe for me

[mellow linden]

I can literally break down every parameter you’d use in 850 points per stage and explain why they make no difference compared to Hard Mode

I’ve done that already

[zealous karma]

The silence is deafening 🐴

[tired sleet]

You can also beat master mode 4k pts with ease. It’s virtually identical to 0 pts

[mellow linden]

Proof that I did it

[zealous karma]

You can choose to ignore our messages but we’re still trying to help you 🐴

[brave halo]

I'm currently at work, hence why I'm slow on responding

[zealous karma]

I see

[brave halo]

But why would I only go up to 4k when I'm not getting anything spirit related out of it?

[mellow linden]

You get powerup tickets, a candy coin, and 10 Champion Spirits from 4.25k (which can be done with no difficulty increase compared to Hard Mode)

[tired sleet]

Why wouldn’t you do it if its no increase in difficulty

Its like a free sample, you’re getting stuff at no cost

[brave halo]

But I get the power up stuff by hard mode anyway, and the coin takes too long to even matter

[zealous karma]

But why would you complain at essentially free stuff

Especially if you’re more than capable of doing so

[rotund lagoon]

I hope you guys do not mind me asking a question.

[zealous karma]

Ofc not

[tired sleet]

Why wouldn’t you take a 50%ish boost to your

[rotund lagoon]

@brave halo, is there a reason you’re sticking to one philosophy and shooting down the stuff us helpers are suggesting to you? All it does it cause frustration and confusion, which does not help anyone.

[sinful garden]

now that i think about it, i dont even need that node anymore after steven's expansion

(needed it to reach the sync node)

[brave halo]

Because I've seen these pairs do nothing as 1/5, and as for ex, I need those effects or else I die instantly

[main crow]

1/5 can handle 850 fine

[sinful garden]

are we sure its not a issue on your side

because a pair at 1/5 is not useless in the majority of the cases

and the ex stat boost is not that big to make the impact you say it does

[main crow]

And a EX won't solve anything in a matter of surviving

I've done 10k without ex before

It's not the most necessary

[rotund lagoon]

Aurochs has an entire thread dedicated to 12.5k of F2P pairs with no EX whatsoever.

[brave halo]

But how many are maxed 5/5 fully gridded, 150, proper lucky skills?

[sinful garden]

a f2p pair is easy to get to 5/5

lvl 150 is really not necessary i doubt any of them are

[brave halo]

Tell that to Lucian over here

[storm quest]

As a newish player with a fraction of the strength and depth of roster you have, the advice given here tends to work. I have like 5 ex pairs all total, and still have cleared every mm since I started with full points. But it required actually listening and taking the advice given to me

[brave halo]

The dude took sooooo long to even pull

[north crown]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-how-many-times-do-we-need-to-teach-you-old-man-slow-thick-gif-12272188

[rotund lagoon]

Through our experience of everything, all it boils down to is an understanding of gameplay, mechanics and properly applying them. My philosophy is any damage dealer can be made to work with the right team.

[north crown]

also scrolled up a bit, and I urge you to start doing MM for thoes EXes you so desperately want

[rotund lagoon]

It genuinely brings issues if you do not take such advice and unnecessarily drag things on.

[brave halo]

I'll attempt mm soon but only after I get more ex, I'm patient on that

[main crow]

I'm pretty sure what you have atm is more than enough, 850 is not a big jump in difficulty and you certainly won't get immediately obliterated by a sync

[north crown]

bro people have done 7.5k without EXes 1.5 years ago cmon

[brave halo]

That was them, this is me

[north crown]

surely you can do 4.2k

bro you have uber gacha pairs

also 4.2 is half of 7.5

[main crow]

I don't even know how you can get obliterated so early in a cycle

[north crown]

me neither. the only instance was before year 1 since back then grinding was atrocious

[main crow]

Only reason those happens is just bad team building

[brave halo]

One sync and I'm dead while at the same time I'm doing little damage and they do half with every attack

[main crow]

How

Are just not properly buffing them?

[storm quest]

It has to be hyperbole, surely

[brave halo]

I am, I'm buffing as much as I can, but the attacks still do nothing

[north crown]

I really want to say "skill issue", yet it's condescending (though I just did so idk what to think of this; I just had to express myself / let it out)

[main crow]

Did you pick standard damage reduction 8 while off typing?

[brave halo]

I don't remember, but regardless even if not in mm, it still happens

[north crown]

what the actual

bro you need to record this

[brave halo]

I did once with a. Lillie, cynthia ren, and someone else but i forget

I got lucky winning

[main crow]

Okay I don't think no one asked this yet but

Are you properly triple queuing?

[north crown]

bro ez w what the actual

[main crow]

Keeping an eye on the sync countdown too?

[north crown]

We already established that SpeedTy botched their gameplay before by not triple queuing, so I assumed they would not make that same mistake again.

tho it's entirely possible that they forgot.

[rotund lagoon]

…..trust me, I have asked this.

[main crow]

Ah at least I know now

[sinful garden]

@brave halo if you still cant clear hard mode this week, may you please send a video of your gameplay

so we can understand how exactly the enemy is "obliterating" you and why your attacks do no damage

[brave halo]

I already cleared it all

[north crown]

we flooded this thread due to a precious instance involving SpeedTy's gameplay, and although it's not preferable, I wouldn't mind much if we have to do it all over again.

[sinful garden]

oh thats great

i guess

[north crown]

tho probably not mm since "oh no scary"

I was scared before when mm released, but that was only because I didn't not have uber gacha units; you have uber gacha options.

5/5 sonia goddamn

[main crow]

I was scared of CS before bc I got destroyed by shauntal and was still super limited lmao

[sinful garden]

3/5 ash... i dont even have that personally

[rotund lagoon]

I do lmao

[sinful garden]

i could've but i dropped my candies elsewhere

[brave halo]

If you want, I can drop my entire collection and you'll see how lacking they are right now

[waxen parrot]

Im doing 2.5k points with this team, hala 3rd round, any suggestions?

The team i have there doesnt seem to work, they die after the enemy syncs, i am doing quadque

[north crown]

@brave halo see this dude gets it

[north crown]

if you're fine having asteven as sole DPS, you could just ditch crit supports and just go for buffing the rest of his stats for good form

[waxen parrot]

Falkner is there more for the support ex

[north crown]

or you could go asteven (flying DPS), flying type nuke, support (support ex is preferable, tho not necessary)

[waxen parrot]

I tried nate instead of bugsy, doesnt work either

[north crown]

yeah nate is trash

[brave halo]

I don't have Falkner ex yet, not even 5/5, so this is impossible for me

[main crow]

You can play safe with Falkner/ASteven/Skyla

[north crown]

but he is trying ot use asteven as sole dps

[waxen parrot]

Would darach be better as nuke?

[north crown]

ye

[waxen parrot]

Really the only flying nuke i have (those 2)

[sinful garden]

replace falkner with sonia (who you have ex'd and 5/5) and its pratically the same thing

[rotund lagoon]

What move level is your Sonia?

[north crown]

bruhhh if you know anything about teambuilding, falkner isn't the greatest support for asteven

[waxen parrot]

2

[rotund lagoon]

Do you have Hilbert by chance? 3/5+ preferably?

[north crown]

eh... you could still rock sonia if you're running asteven as sole DPS

oh wait you're adding darach.. nvm

[waxen parrot]

I think he's used

Yea, and 2/5

With darach i cant run falkner, so im switching skyla with him

(Gauge problem)

[brave halo]

I mean I have other options, like I use Nita or classic gio a lot of hard mode, they give a lot super quick

[waxen parrot]

Is it even worth syncing with steven for the mega?

[rotund lagoon]

I’ll give you a rundown. Your team basically needs an Atk/Crit Support, someone for nuke (Darach) and then Anni Steven.

Anni Steven is to avoid syncing.

[waxen parrot]

Wdym?

[rotund lagoon]

His sync is not good. That’s why we suggest a nuker for third slot.

[waxen parrot]

I did notice that

[rotund lagoon]

Kahili is fine too instead of Darach.

She’s got a good nuke and tbh, I’ve never sync’d with Darach before

[north crown]

teambuild for asteven for gods sake. asteven is basically self sufficient apart from a bit of atk buff and other buffs that are valuable for his good form passive, tho that can be mitigated with downside up + dragon ascent. your suggestion of using Nita is proof enough to me that you know how teambuilding works. I'm gonna leave you hanging on this one.

oh and consider your nuker too

[waxen parrot]

Sounds like the lodge acerola would be a good option?

I just unlocked her today

[rotund lagoon]

Lodge Acerola is lower on the list. I’d avoid her.

You can check the 3 and 4 stars chart in #bot-zone on that

Do you have BP Surge by chance?