Champion Stadium

[noble plaza]

Would Skyla work, then?

[main crow]

Yes

Potion to keep Cyrus healthy too cus recoil

[noble plaza]

Yeah!

Is Hop or SS Blue worth using for this round or should I save him?

Sabrina might also work? I only used her once but her moves seem useful

[main crow]

You can bring anyone that can fill the type medal tbh

[noble plaza]

I don't have Steel yet

So Hop can fill that

[main crow]

What about psychic?

[noble plaza]

I have that one

[main crow]

Ah go ahead then

[noble plaza]

The ones I need are Steel, Ice, Bug, Poison, and Dragon. The latter two are kinda already given considering the type matchups

[junior crown]

You can poison stall Blue

and use Poison and Bug for that

Hop + Cyrus should be enough for Lance, what ice types do you have?

[noble plaza]

The team worked perfectly! Thank you so much!

[main crow]

Np!

[noble plaza]

For Bruno I'm using Ingo and Cynthia but I'm not sure who to use for my 3rd slot. Should I focus on boosting Special Defense or Physical Defense?

Or should I just use a sync pair that gets a type medal?

I have only Bug, Ice, and Poison left and the latter is already kinda given with the battle against Blue

[dark osprey]

Definitely type medal

[noble plaza]

which sync pair though? Bug will be good against Blue next week but maybe I should unlock Master Mode early?

[north crown]

definitely try unlocking MM early

[dark osprey]

Usually people plan out the first weeks team with the types of the second week's type weakness in mind

[noble plaza]

ohh gotcha

i...didnt exactly plan it out

Nice! Ingo+Cynthia and Brycen for Ice worked out!

What param should I go with for Blue? I'm still doing Hard mode right now. I just need the Bug and Poison medals.

[proud axle]

I'm seeing at least two ways this can work

Wait, you haven't candied Koga. Hm...

[noble plaza]

I might have a candy

[proud axle]

Well, whatever. Roxie, Aaron, and a speed support such as Marley

[noble plaza]

I DO HAVE A CANDY

[proud axle]

He prefers two candies (3/5) but can make it work with just one (2/5)

Basically the plan is to max his eva out (via TM MPR), poison the boss, and snipe the boss for comically high damage

Blind Spot, TM MPR, and then as many Venoshock and SpAtk grids you can reach

Aaron can tank and buff well. For your third... Maybe Koga's own daughter, Janine.

Janine(Ariados) can grid to reach 100% Poison success rate, so she can inflict it on the whole enemy team while her dear ol' dad buffs up. She can also either Venom Drench to ruin the enemy's stats, or use Move Like The Wind to conserve gauge (and help build more gauge via the self Speed buff)

[noble plaza]

I already built Janine quite a bit for another challenge!

[proud axle]

There's an alternate version of Janine in the BP shop, with Crobat. She works really well with her dad, too; Crobat Janine can grid for Team Sharp Entry 1 and provide SpAtk and Eva for Koga so he won't need TM MPR

Though, looking at my first choices now, I realize... Koga doesn't have an SpAtk buff source if his teammates are Aaron and (Ariados) Janine

[noble plaza]

I do have one BP ticket for Janine and Crobat

[proud axle]

Check with the others to make sure she's a good choice for your next BP ticket (and also peek into her grid to see if she needs candies for Team Sharp Entry)

[noble plaza]

like, other people in chat?

[proud axle]

She's a pretty good support in general, she just """coincidentally""" is perfect for Koga

[proud axle]

Yeah, get some opinions from people who aren't me

[noble plaza]

definitely a coincidence 🥴

sounds good to me! I'm not in a rush or anything haha

[proud axle]

I don't have a "modern beginner" perspective on the BP pairs these days

[noble plaza]

fair!

[proud axle]

Let's see. Mesnwhile...
If you end up having someone better to spend that BP ticket on, I think I see another, somewhat cursed, alternative

[noble plaza]

okay now im curious haha

[proud axle]

Bugsy can Poison with Twin Needle, and satisfies the Bug medal req. He can grid to increase the success rate. This means our Support slot is freed up for someone who can give Koga SpAtk

This can matter since Koga needs to spend the entire first sync cycle buffing, and then his Poison Fang has "only" a 50% chance to inflict (Toxic) Poison

Blue has Sync Cure, so if he survived long enough to sync... You need to reapply the poison/toxic

(This can also be a snag if you wanted to try toxic-stalling)

[cosmic willow]

This Steven helps fixes bad dps

[zealous karma]

I don’t think they braced themselves

[proud axle]

Toxic stall itself is an option, of course. Blue only has Lessen Poison 5. Most Poison-weak CSMM bosses have Lessen 7. (Only Johto League has another Lessen 5.)
So you could try Lucy (possibly gridded for Hostile Environment for a 100% inflict rate on Poison Fang), Aaron to tank, and Janine to debuff... And just hit Blue with another Poison Fang after sync

[noble plaza]

ooo okay!

wow you thought of quite a few options for me

[proud axle]

Pick your very literal Poison. (But for Blue to suffer, not yourself)

[noble plaza]

[noble plaza]

Asking the chat: should I spend my bp ticket on Janine?

Wait I forgot to unping you sorry

[proud axle]

It's okay since you apologized

You might also want to ask #poma-questions the same thing, maybe there are more people there

[noble plaza]

👍

[junior crown]

well you're going to get all bp pairs at some point

but I think if you can save resources it's always better to do it if you really need

so I think Lucy Aaron Janine works and you don't need to spend the BP ticket for now

[noble plaza]

How should I approach what params I use for each battle and how many points I aim for? I know the google sheet explains the params to choose for each type of team but I don't know what sort of team to aim for

[mellow linden]

If you’re new to Master Mode then unless you’re Poison stalling you might wanna try the 850 points option, since as long as you’re on-typing there’s no difficulty increase compared to Hard Mode (and only a minor difficulty increase if off-typing)

[noble plaza]

That's fair haha

[mellow linden]

Plus 850 per stage (4250 total) nets you all the important rewards

[noble plaza]

Ohhh!

[mellow linden]

So it’s perfect for starting out since you have more time to acquire useful materials and experience for more points later on

[hearty lynx]

i just used lisia the first time and i'm shocked at how good she can actually be

[mellow linden]

Which Lisia?

[hearty lynx]

altaria

[mellow linden]

Her nuke is fairly good, yeah, it’s just that it’s very awkward to use (especially in today’s weather/terrain/zone-heavy environment)

[hearty lynx]

i just used her for flinching and it worked great

but true yeah

[mellow linden]

Still, if she’s a favorite no reason to not do what you can to make her work

[junior crown]

they said 850 points per round unless poison stalling because poison stalling 0 points and 2500 points is not that different, so may as well go for 2.5k

And that's why I believe poison stall to be the best method for 12.5k for new players, you can build 5 teams that works for EVERY week, and the pairs usually doesn't need as much investiments (lucky skills/grids) as 2.5k ontype

if you already have a team to do ontype then great, use it, if not, do poison stall (at least that's my advice)

[proud axle]

Ah, you got the medals? Nice. So you're gearing up for MM now, huh?

Toxic-stalling Blue with the Lucy/Janine/Aaron team is probably going to get you 2500 without all that much fuss. This means an average of 1250pts on each of the Elite Four will get you 7500pts for an extra 2000 hecking sync orbs

There are some powerful freebie Grass and Dragon options available to wallop Lorelei and Lance with, respectively. You could probably risk 2k scores on them.
Good ground options are hard to come by. You may need to reduce your score against Bruno, and/or offtype his fight.
Dark is in an in-between situation; gonna need to know more about your roster before we can say whether you can stack points on Agatha.

In general, Strength is not as scary as it sounds; recall that level-up growths plummet after Lv100. It's pretty common to stack 7-9 points of Strength for high-end teams going for the max score. The direct-stat-modifier ones are actually more dangerous than Strength, and those stack multiplicatively whereas Strength is additive.

2k Lorelei, 2k Lance, 2.5k Blue... That means 850 each on Agatha and Bruno will actually get you the 7.5k milestone with points to spare. You could even deduct a few points from Lorelei's and Lance's fights, and still make it.

(If you have great Dark options, you could even try stacking more points and go for a 10k clear, for extra . If you're new to CSMM but not new to the game in general, then might be your actual bottleneck for EXes.)

(...If you are new to the game in general, might be the bottleneck for a while anyway due to the Lodge giving so many one-off rewards)

[golden raft]

really close to success with this poison stall team, lorelei dies pretty easily but my team dies a few turns before the sides are stalled out. is there a better tank/support option than aaron that i’m missing?

[old orchid]

Its not a poison stall team

Both Aaron and Hop are offensive supports, while Emma is a damage dealer

[crystal notch]

...you were taking poison stall params for Emma, the overpowered poison dps?

[old orchid]

Since Lorelei mainly uses special moves, your tank should buff spdef and have a reliable source of heal

You should inflict both bad poison and trap to make stalling faster and easier

An example is Misty + Koga + Viola

[crystal notch]

Yeah, the option here is either offtype with Emma (with a sp def tank, misty starmie maybe)

Or do the standard poison stall suggested above

[golden raft]

looks like i completely misunderstood her best use here

[crystal notch]

It happens sometimes, don't worry about it

look at that sweet sweet placement

[golden raft]

she is a pretty great dps for sure

[crystal notch]

but yeah taking poison stall params means she needs to chew through...monstrous hp

on standard reduction 8...yikes

since she's offtype

[golden raft]

for support emma would want a crit buffer right?

misty seems to be good enough for spdef buffs

[old orchid]

Emma doesnt need crit support since her B Move and sync move are always crit

So just someone to fill +2 atk and +2 speed for her

I usually use her with Sonia and SS Leaf, but any physical support and poison inflictor will work

[junior crown]

Emma can be used to poison stall too, you don't need to go offtype if you don't want

What that team is missing is a debuffer

Change Hop for Viola and you are good

Offtyping 2.5k is harder than poison stall 2.5k (at least in my opinion)

[old orchid]

Changing Aaron to a spdef buffer like Misty is better. Since his buffs are slow and his heal is limited

Emma is better using on an offensive team

[golden raft]

i have misty + emma rn just trying different options for the 3rd

[full mesa]

I just ex Sycamore lodge. Did I waste it? Was Brendan a better choice?

[junior crown]

I prefer misty too, but she would be better if she was 3/5 and 4*, if they don't have her build Aaron works, a lot of people used Aaron

And Emma has potions so she is a good poison staller...

[old orchid]

[junior crown]

The same Pair can be good for multiple things

[old orchid]

What move level is your Brendan? If he is 2/5 he has better sync than LSycamore

[full mesa]

3/5

LSyca 5/5

Both have max grid

[golden raft]

I think I can build up misty?? just have to see if i have candies but she can definitely be 4*

[old orchid]

Brendan is the better choice but if you enjoy using LSycamore than him its not a waste

[junior crown]

Does your misty have vigilance? What's her move level and potential (stars)?

[old orchid]

Yeah Misty is better than Aaron for stall

[junior crown]

Put Viola as the 3rd

[full mesa]

I messed up. Anyway, next time.

[junior crown]

D you can try without that upgrades

[golden raft]

she's 5/5 and 4* now w/ vigilance

[junior crown]

The minimum is vigance

[old orchid]

Do you have gridded Lucy? With HE1 in her grid she has 100% chance to poison

She also can trap and has regen for herself

[golden raft]

Yeah she's gridded, not 5* though if that matters

[old orchid]

Nah 4* is nice already

[golden raft]

ended up clearing with this, thanks you guys

[trail smelt]

Congrats

[hearty lynx]

i don't know how i won the battle against bruno with naomi

i feel like i lack ground

trapping with bertha helped alot

[tame gust]

Ah gotta start building my teams for tomorrow

[low linden]

Bug and steel weak

[tame gust]

I think these teams might be decent. Not sure on ghost weak. I was gonna use Gio/Mewtwo but I’d rather use him on psychic weak.

Oh wait, on the Agatha team I shouldn’t use Lodge Lillie since Lodge Dawn’s already debuffing sp.Atk

[swift swan]

Looks solid. Shauntal as the main damage dealer huh? Interesting to see

[clever bronze]

any battle order recommendations for the grass csmm and should I use grass types or offtype?

Here are my grass types

[sand karma]

On type looks good enough

[tame gust]

Considering these are my only options for ghost attackers and Shauntal is the only one with grid investment DPS wise (besides Gio since he’s going to Bruno)

I could also off type it or poison stall on Agatha. But I’d like to try to do full On-type this week.

[sand karma]

Fantina should do

[tame gust]

haven't even touched Fantina's grid.

[sand karma]

I guess it's time then

[old orchid]

SS Erika, Brendan, LSycamore, Selene and Mallow are 5 ontype teams. You should prepare for Round 4 and avoid fighting Lorelei on Round 3

[clever bronze]

I only have experience with using ss erika

[sand karma]

Sycamore + LSycamore is free 5stats down

[clever bronze]

where can i find info on the stages?

[tame gust]

ohhh... Is Fantina suggested because she's got Super Prep on her grid?

actually yeah, looking at her grid, holy shiet

[sand karma]

She's the best non limited ghost damage dealer rn

Needs a little help setting up the sp def drops faster

[old orchid]

Brendan is even more braindead than SS Erika
For Selene, make sure the opponents are restrained and she has max speed and atk
For Mallow, use Teeter Dance to confuse all opponents, and debuff their attack
LSycamore demands a lot of various stat buffs for multipliers, but OG Sycamore can fix that, its better to bring a poison inflictor like Lucy

[old orchid]

+pomatools

[frozen depot]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs

[old orchid]

menu -> Champion Stadium

[clever bronze]

where would that be in cs section?

for the grass weak csmm

[tame gust]

I still wish Fantina's EX didn't look so god awful (granted I'm unable to EX her right now, but the fact remains)

[old orchid]

press the Champion Stadium bar

[clever bronze]

[swift swan]

3/5 fantina is pretty insane actually

[swift swan]

With mind games on grid, it's not too hard now

[crystal notch]

what does burgh want?

[swift swan]

Sun

[crystal notch]

thinking about either on typing bug which means...using burgh

[old orchid]

sun and spdef debuff

[swift swan]

Pretty sure that's one of the few multipliers he has

[keen jasper]

Sun and Sp. Def. drops

[crystal notch]

alternatively, I just mayziken blue

or do both

but then I need to turn off SDR 8

[swift swan]

I wanted to suggest Viola but maybe that's too meme-y

[keen jasper]

What's your replacement for SDR8? I'm curious

[old orchid]

or do Bugsy, Mayziken and a physical support

[north crown]

TRUE

[swift swan]

Noland

[north crown]

Nah I see Noland primarily as a utility pair

[crystal notch]

probably take some random params, usually extra strength + small atk buffs

I don't think that team uses interferences (unless I add viola)

strengths do taper off/levels polynomially right in terms of stat gains

[north crown]

Mayziken CBede combo again?

[crystal notch]

so another +3 in strength doesn't really hurt

lmao certainly a possibility

poor blue

getting his pokemon kicked in his face

for the third week in a row

[swift swan]

Deserves it

Why the hell not

[crystal notch]

true true

just waiting for reset now

[swift swan]

Uni break makes me lose track of time... All the days are starting to blur

[brave halo]

So not sure but does this look good on tactics or should Nita and piers be swapped?

[swift swan]

I forgot tomorrow's monday

[old orchid]

Piers is the better tank

because of better bulk and Obstruct

[swift swan]

Actually Agatha's stage leans more towards the special side, and Nita has sliiightly better special bulk

But yeah, if you wanna abuse Obstruct, piers it is

Though remember it ruins your queueing

[old orchid]

i would bring Misty instead

[swift swan]

And that team will probably face gauge issues

[brave halo]

Which misty?

[old orchid]

Starmie

[swift swan]

Gauge issue and sync countdown issue

[tame gust]

why utility? He seems more of a damage dealer. True, he doesn't have a heavy sync nuke, but fury cutter damage seems dummy good

[brave halo]

I think that one is in the electric team

[swift swan]

Fury cutter damage takes a while to ramp up

[north crown]

Fury cutter in CS? I doubt that works unless he’s getting carried by OP supports

[tame gust]

true. so probably X-scissor build would be the better for an on-type

[brave halo]

Oh yeah she is

[old orchid]

with both rats ontype you dont need to care about the tank

[north crown]

BRUH THOSE ELECTRIC RATS CAN BOTH OFFTYPE ON THEIR OWN 💀💀

[swift swan]

Staggering, defense crush, fury cutter MGR9, self heals and raises speed. I can definitely see the utility in LG

[tame gust]

3/5 on both rats. those lil varmints can solo OT.

[brave halo]

Yeah misty was mainly filler but still didn't want it to go completely to waste

[old orchid]

[swift swan]

Anything paired with the rats is overkill

Take her out and put her in the agatha team

[brave halo]

I could make it even funnier for electric by using an egg pair

[tame gust]

You'd have to probably pump Stall-level HP mods for Loreli to survive one rat.

[keen jasper]

I'm still waiting for the next EB

[swift swan]

Even then it's probably still easy enough

[keen jasper]

Meanwhile both rats have a source of damage guard

[brave halo]

So that better?

[tame gust]

MC+Double Rat=sad loreli

[brave halo]

And yes I said I could try egg mon for electric and stuck to it

Even better, still starmie

But is the tactics right for the ghost one at least?

[swift swan]

Looks alright, tactics wise

Misty can help set up Morty's multipliers

[brave halo]

Wait, ooooh I forgot

She got no grid yet

[swift swan]

Who

Oh misty?

[brave halo]

Misty

I forgot it's psymisty with an actual grid right now

Yeah idk if I should swap instead

[cold tusk]

anyone knw the parameters for next cs reset?

[north crown]

suggestion: if you're worried about ghost weak, why not slot a rat in?\

[old orchid]

We cant know the parameters until the reset

[brave halo]

Hm, could I try Kali? She does have a grid

[old orchid]

Kali is not better than Misty

[brave halo]

But misty star doesn't have a grid, which is the issue

[north crown]

Gakon is suggesting that you replace Misty...

[brave halo]

Wait wuh? Does "inst" not mean "isn't" just misspelled?

[north crown]

I read that as "instantly"

[old orchid]

[brave halo]

So assuming you did mean instant, does this look fine using the Panic build?

[north crown]

that would've meant that Gakon did NOT encourage the use of kali, though if she works whatever ig

[mellow linden]

I’m miffed that I’ll have to wait a day before I can obliterate Bruno with SS Lusamine/Power Boost Caitlin. I’ll just have to settle for standard Psychic Squad™️ until then

[old orchid]

If you are worry about Ghost weak stage, why not splitting both rats and use one of them here?

And i dont recommend using Kali over Misty

[north crown]

that's exactly what I suggested

[clever bronze]

How are my teams for grass csmm?

also posted my supports for recommendations

[old orchid]

Good, although the last team is a bit questionable

[rotund lagoon]

Honestly, SS Lyra can be split from the sun team.

[old orchid]

What move level is your Sonia?

[clever bronze]

4/5

[old orchid]

Then remove CGiovanni and slot in a spdef buffer

[clever bronze]

ok

[north crown]

nita selene sslyra? would that work/be optimal?

[rotund lagoon]

Hang on, can I see your Ghost types?

[north crown]

*ghost type dps. who knows? they might have something there too

[crystal notch]

wait if I do mayziken bugsy cbede

no one is setting sun

on that team

[north crown]

iirc that's for bug weak correct? should be fine as long as bugsy can presync mid

[crystal notch]

yeah bug weak

[north crown]

yeah should be fine, especially with the help of ssmay

[clever bronze]

which teams should i use for who?

ik sun team for bertha

[crystal notch]

noted

[old orchid]

Sycamore team for Lorelei

[north crown]

I was about to say...

[old orchid]

I would use Sonia team on Serena

[north crown]

skyla for grimsley? I doubt it...

unless you pray for potion rng or if skyla is tanky enough on se damage

[old orchid]

SE damage?

[old orchid]

Grimsley doesnt even have any Rock moves

[rotund lagoon]

Why not use Anni Lillie or SSR Cynthia? Both 10x better options than Morty.

[swift swan]

Ssr cynthia and anni lillie

[old orchid]

I just pretend Anni Lillie and SSR Cynthia dont exist

[rotund lagoon]

Hell, even Fantina is better than Morty.

[swift swan]

Or hell, fantina has an easier nuke than morty

[swift swan]

Same hat

[rotund lagoon]

Same hat

[brave halo]

They aren't putting out damage at the moment, fantina also has no grid yet

[old orchid]

They are better than fully gridded Morty

[swift swan]

Anni lillie is insane ontype wdym
the easiest way to use her because her offtype is lackluster

[rotund lagoon]

Anni Lillie 1/5 is better than Morty

[north crown]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[swift swan]

Let's all take a deep breath

[old orchid]

Shauntal is better than Morty arguably

[rotund lagoon]

True, her grid is better

Morty is just

[brave halo]

Shauntal also doesn't have a grid yet

[late grove]

why not

[swift swan]

Maybe that's your problem

[late grove]

she 5/5 you can clearly put a grid for her

[rotund lagoon]

How many orbs do you have?

[brave halo]

Don't have the orbs at the moment

[north crown]

LOL FR (in terms of the practicability of her multipliers in battle)
Morty does preform better in an optimal setting though

[swift swan]

Fine. Morty has a grid? Okay. Then pair him with SSR Cynthia. At 1/5 she doesn't need to be gridded since she exists for ghost zone
But then again, there's no reason not to use 1/5 Anni Lillie either, even gridless, she's much easier

[north crown]

skyla alillie ssrcynthia should do it

[clever bronze]

Here are my teams. Does mallow, Selene, or lsycamore need ex?

[rotund lagoon]

Anni Lillie is just hit one button, then Moongeist Beam spam

Easy.

[north crown]

oh wait I forgot about kali. basically special ver of skyla that trades potions for defense buffs

[mellow linden]

I assume you mean Selene and not Serena?

[swift swan]

Personally I'd use SS Lyra against Cerena so you can flinch away the water shurikens, that's dangerous

[clever bronze]

Yes

[old orchid]

No, no and no

[mellow linden]

Shouldn’t need EX

[rotund lagoon]

When I mean split SS Lyra, I mean using her on her own team.

SS Lyra is a good counter against Serena.

[swift swan]

Hmm, I just want to say Lodge Sycamore is extremely frail so you gotta be careful with that

[clever bronze]

Oh on 1/5?

[rotund lagoon]

She’ll be fine even at 1/5.

DPS is what’s important here

[swift swan]

She'll flinchlock her way out

[mellow linden]

SS Lyra is just absurd

[old orchid]

She can carry a weak grass dmg dealer

[clever bronze]

What team would i put ss lyra on

[rotund lagoon]

Make her own.

[clever bronze]

Yes with what units

Solo?

[north crown]

if sslyra is 1/5, perhaps add dps, but if she's 3/5, she could carry a team

[rotund lagoon]

Atk/Crit buffer basically

[swift swan]

Like, ss lyra plus any other grass damage dealer

[north crown]

selene

[swift swan]

It's just that she's better vs Cerena because she's the hardest stage

If you wanna use the current SS Lyra team then sure. Just use it on the hardest stage

[clever bronze]

so selene, ss lyra, hilbert for serena?

oki

[rotund lagoon]

~~Am I the only one that used SS Lyra by herself on a team? ~~

[clever bronze]

what move level and ex or no ex?

[swift swan]

Well since they have some more grass units leftover, I don't see why not pair her with another unit

[rotund lagoon]

Don’t worry about EX’ing or candying just for a stage.

[north crown]

yes. I was able to spare the overkill grass + sun team to be used on cserena

[clever bronze]

[swift swan]

Looking at it again, the Mallow team can beat Bruno just fine. Sonia has good defense and Mallow can lower attack if needed

Just switch the positions of the two teams and see how it goes

Just be careful with who you fight round 4

[clever bronze]

any tips on battle order?

[swift swan]

You have ex ss erika, i assume 3/5?

[clever bronze]

yes

[swift swan]

She can presync bertha R4 easily from my experience. Just first sync nuke using hyperoffensive presync params

The rest barely matters. Maybe be careful with Lorelei R3 because she uses special attacks

[clever bronze]

on type presync masochist?

[swift swan]

Yup

Just make sure ss erika's attack and speed are maxed

Nuke grid

Probably one of the fastest CS battles I've ever done

[crystal notch]

I wish I had ss erika

cries in ss misty dupe

[rotund lagoon]

Yep, SS Misty was the one haunting me trying to get 3/5 SSE

[swift swan]

RNG do be cruel sometimes

Mine got to 3/5 only recently

[clever bronze]

r1- Bruno
r2- Lorelei
r3- Grimsley
r4- Bertha

[rotund lagoon]

That’s the order I did it in :0

[clever bronze]

[swift swan]

Looks good

[clever bronze]

would lyra meganium or nita be better for ss erika and ss morty?

lyra right?

just checked annie's clears

[swift swan]

Lyra buffs very quickly under sun, but let me check Nita just in case

[north crown]

you placed sserika with nita? yeah just get lyra in there

[clever bronze]

4/4 atk speed

[north crown]

besides lyra isn't going to be used anywhere else, unless you want to save her for brendan for some reason

[clever bronze]

nah i'll use her with ss erika

[swift swan]

Lyra it is then

In addition the theme skill will give you a boost

[clever bronze]

Thank you, everyone

i enjoy our talks about csmm

[north crown]

I was thinking of solarize synergy but ok as you don't need it for the clear

[rotund lagoon]

[clever bronze]

getting in depth for 18 types medal clears the most

[swift swan]

EX SS Erika kills half sync bertha with presync params, it's fiiine

[keen jasper]

You too did Bertha at R4?

[swift swan]

🤝

[north crown]

man I didn't expect many people to do bertha r4

[swift swan]

Ss erika did wonders

Strong nuke + easy setup

[clever bronze]

yeah i plan to do grass csmm after i eat first

bertha r4

[brave halo]

So with the team against Agatha as seen, I'm kinda wondering, which grid for morty is better, phantom or shadow? I got both grids set up but idk what Agatha uses a lot

[north crown]

I would opt for shadow ball just because it doesn’t stall queue

[keen jasper]

Only use Phantom Force after your sync

Or when you kill mid

[brave halo]

Does Agatha boost any defensive stats this time?

That's mainly why I ask

[civic trellis]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/champion-stadium?league=1&stage=1430

[sacred halo]

bruno team?

[civic trellis]

Maybe I missed smth but I dont think so

[brave halo]

Oh both her defensive stats can increase

[tame gust]

Crits ignore defenses anyway. Just have your crit maxed and pray you get a crit on your sync.

[rotund lagoon]

Show me your Ground types.

[brave halo]

Hopefully I do get crits, tho not the best but at least I got crit strike 1

[tame gust]

At +3 Crit your sync has an 80% chance to crit while every other attacking move is 100%.

[brave halo]

At least as well I got the evasiveness skill on him too from grid, so works out there

[rotund lagoon]

Ok you’re definitely gonna have to off type this…

Is Cyrus available?

Wait there’s a dragon weak

[civic trellis]

SS Red may work, there’s no fire weak either

[rotund lagoon]

Weak to rock.

[sacred halo]

I dont have a team for the last one so lets say everyone available

[civic trellis]

Hm true, tho it could work if they can KO before he syncs

[sacred halo]

Oh yeah ss red was getting destroyed

[civic trellis]

Is this master mode btw or?

Oh

[sacred halo]

ye, i can do it in normal if necessary

[rotund lagoon]

Have you done Master Mode before and how new are you?

[sacred halo]

its my first time doing champ stadium

[sacred halo]

2 weeks

[rotund lagoon]

I would wait to do Master Mode.

You are still new.

[sacred halo]

I have 1000 points only so far

[sacred halo]

alrr

[civic trellis]

They can still try for 850

The problem is they have no good ground types so maybe lower….

[rotund lagoon]

Yeah but Master mode requires a basic understanding of teambuilding and a decently invested roster.

[sacred halo]

I do lowkey know how to team build😭

[proud axle]

We have some very powerful grass and dragon freebies, so 1.5k vs Lorelei and Lance seems plausible. Toxic Stall might get 2.5k on Blue without much fuss if you play your cards right

[rotund lagoon]

Did you even see the second thing I said…?

[sacred halo]

yeah yeah

[rotund lagoon]

I am more worried about the status of your roster (quality over quantity)

[proud axle]

Ground is chronically under-represented in freebies and the general pool, so I can see that one being a problem.
Dark doesn't have great freebies but there are great genpool options, so we'd need to see what we're working with

[sacred halo]

I have the sc zinnia

But I alr used her

[proud axle]

Excellent! I hear she--

damn it

[sacred halo]

I tried to invest in the most meta characters

[tame gust]

If Pab's only at 100 points isn't it simple to just reset and we start working a new strat?

[proud axle]

I think they said 1000 but yeah, it may be the right call

[tame gust]

Oh! I thought I saw it say 100.

[proud axle]

If Master Mode is open, resetting should be available

[sacred halo]

Yeah 1k

[sacred halo]

Its locked idk why

[tame gust]

Yeah, 1k, my mistake.

[proud axle]

Oh, did you unlock it on a previous week?

[tame gust]

...Oh! Wait you said this is your second week playing

[proud axle]

Then you need to finish the run (with any score) to unlock it on the current week

[sacred halo]

this is my roaster (dont ask about 5/5 zinnia I just really liked her)

[sacred halo]

Ohhhhhh

[tame gust]

Do you have all the type medals?

[proud axle]

Rgghh, I hate 7% banners and pulling excess copies on one is... Ow

[tame gust]

actually wait, dumb question since you already said 1k points.

[sacred halo]

nop im waiting for the reset

[proud axle]

Anyway, let's see

[junior crown]

I think more of teambuilding, the roster can be worked around with lot of F2P units, of course sync grids/lucky skills/move level will be the most limits a new player will have

[tame gust]

Dat 5/5 SC Zinny tho.

[sacred halo]

DONT ASK😭

[tame gust]

not asking, more so impressed.

[proud axle]

SSErika + Silver might be able to do a thing or two against Lorelei, though it will be risky because she uses Surf and Silver is weak against Water.
You could also try a thing with Sycamore as a Grass attacker (Horn Leech is p strong)

[tame gust]

This isn't evasion boosting Loreli is it? I keep forgetting.

[sacred halo]

I just have to do bruno

[proud axle]

Cyrus is a shoo-in against Dragon weakpoints, so that's one option for Lance.

...Oh, this is Pasio league

Cripes, that changes everything

[junior crown]

this is not normal CS

[sacred halo]

what

[proud axle]

There are two CSes open rn

[sacred halo]

OH

OHHHH

[proud axle]

Pasio League and Kanto League

[sacred halo]

the kanto i did it ez

[junior crown]

for normal CS since you're a new player, you should focus on getting the medal

[crystal notch]

Have you, by the way, gotten medals for kanto

Yeah

[proud axle]

Okay, first let's focus on Kanto because it resets tonight

[crystal notch]

You need to open kanto csmm using type medals

[sacred halo]

10/18

[junior crown]

ok

[crystal notch]

Yeah then we just wait for reset

[junior crown]

so next week should focus on the other 8

[proud axle]

Aright, then we can focus on Pasio League for now

[brave halo]

Wait hold on, I just found someone to maybe use? Granted I need to finish his grid tomorrow

Could I use Magneton over Kali tomorrow for the ghost one?

[proud axle]

Round 4 is dangerous no matter whom you face, due to the halved sync countdown. Bruno also uses a Dire Hit after his sync, so your tank will suffer critical hits

[sacred halo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/938470319004467223/972285131509354516/939044602499960852.gif

[sacred halo]

Yeah I was running SS red f2p comp

I got destroyed

[junior crown]

And actually you need to do Bruno and Cerena, after beating Cerena once, you will be able to reset and redo all stages (if you want to go for a higer score or try other teams for example)

[proud axle]

Serena is lethal, but... One thing at a time.

Do you have the Vigilance Lucky Skill on your tank?

[zealous karma]

Just use AniLillie SSRC and a speed buffer

[sacred halo]

I dont have any tanks left

This is all I got

[junior crown]

of course you have

[proud axle]

???
Can you filter your roster by Support and post what you have left?

[junior crown]

Misty and BP Morty

Skyla is there too

[proud axle]

We don't know which they've already used

[sacred halo]

nono

those r free

the ones I used arent there

[proud axle]

...Okay Skyla is Lv29... Dude, level her

She is amazing

[sacred halo]

no resources

[junior crown]

Misty, Skyla and BP Morty are amazing supps

even if they are free...

[proud axle]

... That's what happens when you shove EXP books to Lv135 for a Legendary Adventures pair. Their EXP reqs are tripled.

(Except Sycamore for some reason, his are normal)

[sacred halo]

wait who's skyla

[proud axle]

Unova Flying Support, 3star

She is surprisingly good

[sacred halo]

Ohhh

Yeahhh her

[cinder summit]

Skyla & Swanna

Acquisition:

Main Story

Alternates:

Skyla (Holiday 2020) & Togekiss
Skyla (Anniversary 2022) & Tornadus

[proud axle]

By which I mean "a strong contender for the best freebie support in the game"

Sycamore probably beats her out, but still

[zealous karma]

I like hopmore as well

[sacred halo]

Sycamore is no nasty bro tanks everything

[proud axle]

Sycamore can tank and DPS and buff

Multipurpose hero.

[junior crown]

Have you used your SS Erika?

[proud axle]

But anyway, Skyla and Morty are looking good. Are there no more Rank4 exp books in the event shops? IIRC it takes around 15 of those to get a pair to Lv100

[junior crown]

I'd prob use SS Erika on Bruno and Poison Stall Cerena...

[sacred halo]

Leafeon?

[junior crown]

yes

[sacred halo]

oh i havent used her yet

[proud axle]

Leafeon has low stats but large multipliers for damage

Against Bruno... Hm. You can either Toxic-stall him and snipe Serena, or try sniping him and toxic-stall Serena

[sacred halo]

Used them

[proud axle]

Oof

[sacred halo]

So what comp and ill try to lvl it up

Morty Leafeon and the 3* supp?

[proud axle]

Can you filter your roster by Supports and post it?

[sacred halo]

Ofc

[proud axle]

And then filter separately by Known Move: Type: Grass, and post that too

[junior crown]

Skyla Blaine SS Erika probably / BP Morty Lucy Janine for Cerena probably

but better know the whole roster as gigafreak said

[proud axle]

I wanna see what else is available first

Silver would have problems against Serena (she's Water) but maybe not against Bruno

[proud axle]

SSErika+Silver+Support might work for Bruno

Thanks, let's see

[sacred halo]

Some of those r not available

[proud axle]

I'm seeing some great stuff in here

Dawn humiliates Bruno

[sacred halo]

oh and a maxed out ninetails

😭

[proud axle]

Maylene has great buffs in her grid but she's a little glassy

[sacred halo]

Idt i can do grids I dont have much

[proud axle]

Marley gains massive flexibility from her grid, and she has surprisingly good bulk

As for how we can use this for Bruno, let's see...

[brave halo]

Actually yeah won't use MagneClemont, realized that the side enemy on Agatha side has will-o but kali got flameproof

[proud axle]

Ah, right, I also wanted to see who was available when filtering for Known Move: Type: Grass

[sacred halo]

Lyra and Dawn

[proud axle]

Silver needs SpAtk and the team needs Speed, you see, but the top contenders are risky against Bruno

[proud axle]

Oh, un-filter Supports

This time I wanted to know who can attack

[sacred halo]

Either Ho Oh or Erika

[proud axle]

Lyra is actually pretty great, but not against Bruno (glassy against phys) and needs 3/5 for the thing that really makes her amazing

Alright, think think thonk...

[sacred halo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1040706905061998622.gif

[brave halo]

My last part is the gear, I got ground gear too but not sure if I should use them here

[proud axle]

With Dawn on the team, maybe you can toxic-stall Bruno (she has Vigilance-- critproofing-- innately)

And then we can try Silver+SSErika+Lyra against Serena, but that's a lot of Lv1s...

Well, just two Lv1s

But that's still a problem when they're both tanks

[sacred halo]

I think I wont beat it in this rotation

[sacred halo]

So the comp would be?

[junior crown]

Don't know why you're so focused on use Morty when you have AniLillie and SSR Cynthia. Do you just want to use him at all cost?

[brave halo]

He is my only 3/5 or above striker with a grid

[proud axle]

As for Toxic Stalling. You can use Koga/Crobat to inflict Toxic and Janine/Ariados, or Mina/Granbull, to debuff

[sacred halo]

Icic

[proud axle]

Koga's one of the worse choices for inflicting Toxic, but the better ones need to be gridded to actually beat him at it

Watch out, Bruno has a Full Heal. So you will probably need to reapply Toxic after he uses it

[junior crown]

Even if he were 5/5 full grid he would be worst than 1/5 AniLillie without grid

[proud axle]

Oh, was this the person who declined to use Neo Marnie just because she's 1/5?

[brave halo]

Well she's not being trustworthy right now, if a striker isn't giving me the damage required as a 1/5, they go straight into the box until they hit 3/5

[proud axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009554906568462476/1098050477402378270/NeoMarnieSSKrisRedlaxVsAgatha.mp4

This is a 1/5 Marnie

[civic trellis]

I mean some points they can choose for free like phys/spec dmg reduction 8, if they arent using interference field effects stat reductions or status conditions those r free points as well etc.

[proud axle]

I think maybe it's SpeedTy's instincts that aren't trustworthy here

[gritty nymph]

Wait are you aiming to beat it or go for 2.5k?

[sacred halo]

Beat it

[proud axle]

Toxic stall can do 2.5k pts exactly as easily as 0pts. If it fails, then we need to rethink the plan entirely

[civic trellis]

@brave halo can u show us some gameplay

[zealous karma]

Please do

[civic trellis]

Do they have the pairs for it tho?

[zealous karma]

They have insanely broken. Pairs

[civic trellis]

Like ss leaf bp erika and uh im not sure who else

[proud axle]

Koga is free and Janine is common

[civic trellis]

I mean pab

[brave halo]

Gameplay of what exactly?

[zealous karma]

Recording you attempting the stage

[civic trellis]

U doing CS

Bcz idk how 1/5 cmarnie or anni lillie etc. is bad

[sacred halo]

idts

[zealous karma]

Like this

[proud axle]

I think this Discord also has a streaming channel, so you can stream your attempt live while people watch

[gritty nymph]

How much can you grid sycamore?

[sacred halo]

I already used him

[proud axle]

You kinda can't not have Koga, so it comes down to whether he (or Lucy) is leveled

Same for a debuffer (Janine, or Mina, or in a pinch Ghetsis)

[sacred halo]

Lemme check

Whats her ratity and type

[cinder summit]

Lucy & Seviper

Acquisition:

General Pool

Alternates:

None

[proud axle]

Koga is Poison Tech
Lucy is also Poison Tech
Janine is Fire Striker Poison Tech
Ghetsis is Ice Tech

[gritty nymph]

Damn have you used your rain team yet?

[proud axle]

Koga and Lucy are base 4star, I think

[cinder summit]

Koga & Crobat

Acquisition:

Main Story

Alternates:

None

[proud axle]

Janine is... 3star? And Ghetsis is 5star of course

[zealous karma]

Can just use QP

[proud axle]

Mina is Fairy Tech. ...I forget her starting rarity tho

[zealous karma]

3

[sacred halo]

Rain team?

[brave halo]

Well can't stream cause at work and my recording stuff likes to cut out for some reason and can't record cause doing the process of lower memory takes way too long

[sacred halo]

I do have him

[gritty nymph]

Well its more like cyrus with rain

[sacred halo]

Oh no I didn't

[proud axle]

Cyrus, using Hydro Pump, in rain, is a classic F2P off-type option

Problem is, Cyrus needs a full grid to do it properly

Once he is gridded, he can win a lot of fights

[gritty nymph]

I mean you don’t necessarily need full grid just the hydro ones the rest can come from extra support

[proud axle]

That's right, I wanted to re-record this today, but without squandering Spikemuth Grit before sync...

[gritty nymph]

You could do if you haven’t used ss blue wiona level to minimum 100 or 110 as we are just using her for rain and cyrus and that should be fast enough to kill bruno and live through the first sync

[junior crown]

I'd still try SS Erika Silver Skyla on Bruno and BP Morty Lucy Janine on Cerena for your teams pab, but Skyla and BP Morty both want's Vigilance as their Lucky Skills

[proud axle]

Maybe if their Silver has the Power Boost, which I don't think he does

[junior crown]

And SS Erika/Silver CS2 or WW3 (but I don't think you have cookies for WW3 anyway)

[proud axle]

Skyla can't buff SpAtk for him

[junior crown]

if because it'd be either Silver or Blaine for me

At least silver helps a little

[gritty nymph]

With ss erika don’t you really need grid for her?

[proud axle]

It helps a lot, but Solar Blade is just swole in general so she can function without

She is already good gridless, she just becomes great when gridded

Solar Blade has 200BP.

That's the exact same BP as her hecking sync.

[zealous karma]

Not really lel

[proud axle]

Y'know what else has 200BP? Marnie's B Move.

(I made that recording, but I gotta wait until I get home so I can compress the video)

I swear, this thing is better than an EX Striker sync

I haven't even given her a Lucky Skill

[gritty nymph]

Its honestly basically a second sync after your first one

[rotund lagoon]

Did you see my suggestion of changing your ghost damage dealer?

[gritty nymph]

Honestly I would just drop silver for someone who can max out ss erika attack fast

[proud axle]

Sort of! Except this """sync""" doesn't have a critrate penalty, benefits from Master Skills (including her own), and also benefits from Special Moves Up Next (such as from Spikemuth Grit. And you can pick Ally HP -5 to ensure it goes off!)

[tame gust]

Multiple people have suggested they change their ghost DPS, but they're hellbent on Morty.

[junior crown]

A lot of pairs are good 1/5 even without grid, SS Erika is one of those, 3/5 full grid helps a lot with the sync nuke, but for solar blade 1/5 is already great (missing ramming speed and super effective 1, and maybe super infliction)

[proud axle]

Ugh, there was a wholeass story chapter about how we need to learn to work with people we'd rather not.

Administered by fellow Johto gym leader Pryce

[junior crown]

it's the same as saying C!Marnie/AnniLillie/SST Red/Maxie/Archie are bad at 1/5 without grid

[zealous karma]

Don’t you have AniLillie and SSRCynthia morty is significantly and noticeably worse than both and is probably the worst ghost damage dealer right now

[brave halo]

Both are only 1/5

[zealous karma]

If you don’t feel confident in AniLillie or SSRC you should feel less so confident than morty

[brave halo]

While morty is 3/5 with a grid

[zealous karma]

Yeah and they’re still better than he is at 3/5

Mortys damage is pitiful

[proud axle]

Don't care. I just showed a 1/5 Marnie doing 40k to Agatha's entire party

[mellow linden]

There is no point explaining to them, we have already done so many times and they refuse to trust the Sync Pairs or any of us

[zealous karma]

Ahekrkwkmwnejfjr

[tame gust]

I believe I also saw them with 5/5 Fantina. Hell, isn't Shauntal a better DPS than Morty?

[proud axle]

I should also include that this Agatha had 12 Strength

[zealous karma]

Theres a long list of units with better DPs than morty

[gritty nymph]

Shauntal does alot of dmg with grid

[proud axle]

Well over 2.5k points just because I can.

[tame gust]

Giga, she's called "Carnie" for a reason.

Pure damage carnage.

[proud axle]

...For the same reason as Serena being called Cerena tho. Champion Serena

[brave halo]

Here's a good example why I'm not using them yet, I just used ssmorty, lillie, and cynthia all again the cilan level 140 level, and yes I won however it took way too long, thats not enough for me, I need it to be faster before they sync

[proud axle]

...Would Articuno and Moltres together be "Chilly con Carnie?"

[tame gust]

Nah, I call her "Carnie" because she rips and tears. Like, I understand the real meaning, but she kills the things.

[proud axle]

Wait, you're using special against a fight that completely neuters special

[rotund lagoon]

We all have our own ways of saying it, as long as we know what they mean, it’s fine

[proud axle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/376011497861808129/1099398900793741432/Screenshot_20230422-141733.png

Wise ×2 and Discourage and Satisfied Snarl

You use phys here or else you get bad results

[tame gust]

Speed, you DO realize that not all units have the same level of functionality at various Move Levels, right? Like, just because some pairs don't work at 1/5 doesnt mean ALL of them don't.

[rotund lagoon]

You do know that team is awful for that fight, right? You cannot just plop a team into a random stage and think you’ll automatically win.

[proud axle]

(I won presync with the team pictured)

[tame gust]

Unless you're double Rat or 3rd Anni Trio. Then all bets are off.

[proud axle]

(Burgh was just there for the missions)

[rotund lagoon]

Burgh is just “I’m here too.”

[zealous karma]

@brave halo morty Vs AniLillie

[brave halo]

Someone asked for me to have a gameplay vid and I just did so

[zealous karma]

3/5 morty 1/5 Lillie

[brave halo]

But too many bits

[zealous karma]

Upload it to streamable

[rotund lagoon]

Or even YouTube

[proud axle]

Yeah, I have this problem too. I had to learn to use video editing software to compress it, because my phone can't do it built-in

[zealous karma]

I just use outside sources usually unless it’s short enough to be posted here

[rotund lagoon]

I compress my videos lmao

[proud axle]

Normally I'd suggest Imgur for clips up to 60sec, but they're shutting down "uploads from non-users" soon, so...

[brave halo]

I have it compressing now but I hate doing it due to how long it takes

[proud axle]

Your ordeal has just begun because people are probably going to tear you apart again as soon as they see the clip

[rotund lagoon]

That’s honestly how it happens here tbh

[void wyvern]

Nitpicking is kinda our thing we do it out of love

[proud axle]

Too bad there isn't a story chapter about developing a thick skin for that

[north crown]

Oml the person with the 1/5 L take is here again

[zealous karma]

I mean without nitpicking how will they learn lel

[zealous karma]

That’s not needed

[north crown]

I seriously think they’re messing something up, like not triple queuing or something

Or taking some kinda point that negates damage

[proud axle]

In the case of the Riddle event fight, they brought a Special team to a fight that completely defangs Special teams...

So we gotta see which fight they recorded this time

[fringe bobcat]

despite whatever happens let's try to keep the conversation civil shall we

[junior crown]

I did it and worked pre sync, the only thing that matters is if you get the results you want

[proud axle]

I mean, they are using that as "proof" that A Lillie is weaker than Morty

[north crown]

Bruhhh

[proud axle]

Yeeeaahhhh

[north crown]

It’s like they haven’t tried her on csmm like dafaq

Why even pull her in the first place?

[brave halo]

Uploading now, as I stated, it should've been faster

[junior crown]

I know, but it's not only because of the special type, more because of teambuilding in general

[void wyvern]

We’re all pretty patient people. blame Lg for that

[north crown]

Let’s tear apart that recording
… no not literarily …

[junior crown]

after all, everything goes back to teambuilding

[rotund lagoon]

I hope to establish this sooner than later, but will you take our suggestions to heart, please?

We’re just trying to help, k?

[north crown]

Yeah. iirc they didn’t last time.

[north crown]

Wait what kind of recording are they… 3/5 SSMORTY?!

What the actual

[void wyvern]

Excellent music choice

[brave halo]

Finally, yeesh discord with the damn mb crap

[rotund lagoon]

Let’s calm down…SS Morty 3/5 is honestly good

[north crown]

Wait why post an ebe recording in the cs channel?

[brave halo]

Someone else asked me to here

[rotund lagoon]

Ok first thing I see straight up is slow queuing. Have three moves ready at the start of battle, and queue as soon as a move is used up.

Also you queued Lillie’s TM twice which is not needed.

[north crown]

Like I said: they probably didn’t triple queue

Wait wtf lillie tm twice? Why…?

[rotund lagoon]

Remember what I said, just trying to help

[north crown]

It’s like they didn’t read or look into the kit, and just only went unga bunga mode on the game

[junior crown]

another thing is to use sync move as early as possible (I think you misse one turn twice)

[proud axle]

Also they used Lillie sync, which is the weakest one for the situation

[brave halo]

I'm not able to keep up, my fingers aren't the fastest in this game

[void wyvern]

1. SSR should’ve synced.
2. Shadow force is bad before first sync because it can screw up your sync countdown.
3. Probably shouldn’t start the battle at 3 speed if you struggle to queue. Nothing wrong with normal speed.
4. The queuing around your sync move is often late and you miss an opportunity to sync and get the best damage.

[tame gust]

I'm not familiar with the pairs being used. All I know is that the stage tries to deter from Special Attackers, and your group was primarily special attacking. Notice how Cynthia R dealt more damage with her physical attack? That's a sign that this is an enemy team that is weaker to physical than special.

[proud axle]

Cynthia sync is phys, Morty can EX to give EX Support

[junior crown]

You don't need to click on the move multiple times, if they are already queued

[north crown]

Ohhh they’re one of those casual players that spam moves whenever they want, just like in the old days of PoMa.
Word of advice: Always try to have the sync move first in a turn queue, as it lets the other moves decrease the next sync move countdown

[junior crown]

it's already in place and you can move to other pair to click on their move

[north crown]

Aka late sync move queue as stated in point 4 here

[rotund lagoon]

+triplequeue

[frozen depot]

In Pokemon Masters, the battles revolve around using your Sync Move as fast as possible.
Using moves will reduce its cooldown, which is also the case for the opponent!
This is why you always want all your pairs on the field to have moves queue'd.
Have 3 ally moves in between each 1 enemy move, even at the start!
After 9 moves, you can wait to queue your Sync.

See this quick footage for how to Triple Queue :
https://tinyurl.com/triplequeue101

For more beginner infos, check our #1010307000346878062.

[rotund lagoon]

Here @brave halo Watch the video above

[junior crown]

At the beginning of the battle it's recomended to play on speed 1 and after it you can go to speed 3

[north crown]

Were bombaring this poor fella with tips and messages oml

[junior crown]

at least that's how I do to don't miss the first queue

[rotund lagoon]

The triple queuing video solves two of the problems at least

[tame gust]

I still don't get why people play at x3 speed. Maybe it's just me not being a major mobile gamer but max speed just feels insanely annoying to keep up with depending on animations.

[rotund lagoon]

I do x2

[brave halo]

Attention spans says hello

[junior crown]

for me x3 works well, just the beginning that I do x1

but well it's each player preference

[north crown]

Watch and read this please

[tame gust]

There's.. something I could say but I'd get smacked for flaming.

anyway, yeah, I think the damage faults are just not knowing the kits and also not catering to the stage.

No such thing as a true "one team to rule them all" set up. Stages differ on what works and what doesn't. If you don't build around not only your roster but the content you're doing, you're going to feel some fights drag on or mistakes being made.

[north crown]

Unless it’s the electric rats

Then you could straight up not care

[tame gust]

hell, that's partially why I believe modes like CS and LG exist: to deter from railroading yourself in to one team.

[junior crown]

even the eletric rats won't work on some extreme battles...

[rotund lagoon]

It isn’t all about the rats

[junior crown]

As I said before, it all comes backs to teambuilding (each stage may need different teams), CS for example it's always better if you plan all 5 teams before than planning one at a time

[proud axle]

I started doing it solely for recording videos, so that they are shorter-- and thus have less filesize-- and I can keep the audio in. Otherwise, if I tried speeding the video up while editing it, the audio would be distorted and I'd have to excise it

But for normal gameplay, I do Speed 1. I have molasses reflexes.

[void wyvern]

Mood.

[proud axle]

I just got home, so I'm gonna try compressing that recording now. It does demonstrate "triple queue before the enemy's first move," and "use an EX Support Sync," and "queue the sync first in its turn"

While also flexing the 40k B Fiery Wrath

[zealous karma]

Why do you have auto enabled?

[tame gust]

I still need to EX more support characters so I can enjoy that sweet x2 Sync Boost bonus.

[brave halo]

To help me quickly also tap the moves

And I mean between everyone

[north crown]

x1 speed on turn 1

[proud axle]

Hell, maybe x1 speed in general

Need time to think, sometimes

[north crown]

That’s what the pause menu is for

But also yes x1 helps with that

[proud axle]

Ugh, can't see most of the screen while it's paused

[brave halo]

Not really any good time to think when opposing syncs come flying and I lose

[proud axle]

Yeah, because you play at max speed

[tame gust]

Auto just makes it MORE annoying to try to select pairs for queueing since the AI often switches off the pair you want to queue and you're wasting split seconds hopping to the pairs that can move. Not only that, but Auto mode can mess up your sync counter timing and the AI's flow.

[brave halo]

Even without the high speed

[zealous karma]

Like for reference I had my sync when the enemy had 3 countdown for

[brave halo]

Just 1 or 2 syncs and I would lose

[zealous karma]

I play at high 3X speed cause that’s how I started playing the game lel

[north crown]

You’re not even supposed to get to 2 opponents sync most of the time

If you’re having this much trouble queuing moves, then I would just lock the game at x1 speed until you’ve learned how to triple queue in a practical manner

[brave halo]

My issue naturally why I don't want to use lillie yet isn't due to triplequeing, it's rather as you saw, the damage isnt one or 2 shotting, it's not enough for me to where I would've been killed instantly by Agatha in cs, I need to wait till 3/5 with an actual grid to at least have a chance

[north crown]

What did Gigafreak juts say about bad teambuilding around a stage?

[brave halo]

As you saw, took way to many attacks to take down one of them

[north crown]

Lemme find the damn message

[zealous karma]

Because you weren’t triple queueing

[north crown]

Also that

[brave halo]

I'm going as fast as I can here

[zealous karma]

Then lower the game speed to 1x or 2X you’re not forced at 3X speed

[north crown]

nvm it was cress, a player who hasn’t even played for a month. Goddamn

[brave halo]

I mean I have been catering to the stage with the morty team, I even called out my options I found earlier

[north crown]

It’s like you’re not even paying attention

[zealous karma]

Some people tunnel out the info they want to hear

[north crown]

Also didn’t Gigafreak say something about the stage gatekeeping special moves?

[tame gust]

Correction: Two months now, still fairly unaware of all the intricacies of the game. Just been learning more from the interactions I've been seeing here.

[proud axle]

Wise x2 halves Special Damage and every time the enemy attacks, you lose SpAtk

[junior crown]

well AnniLillie has Dauntless, that was not the issue there

[rotund lagoon]

You said you struggle to tap the buttons, right? Then lower the game speed.

[tame gust]

Note: Game speed increases speed of enemies too. You have to have faster reflexes. Enemies will NOT move as fast if you turn the game speed down.

[junior crown]

sorry, meant about the lose of spa...

[proud axle]

I recorded a run of that stage just now. I didn't successfully quadqueue, nor could I presync, but I still won very easily

[rotund lagoon]

I mean, as long as you triple queued

[proud axle]

This time I intentionally delayed the second sync to get a denial

This'll take longer to compress and edit, though, as it's a much longer fight and I was playing at x1 speed

[north crown]

I'm gonna let you guys deal with this crap

[tame gust]

I think the overall point here is Speed is playing on Hard Mode by staying in a certain mindset and little we've said seems to be changing his opinion or actions.

[proud axle]

What's the filesize limit for this server, again

[zealous karma]

25Mb

[tame gust]

depends on if you have nitro or not I think, Giga.

[rotund lagoon]

100MB

[brave halo]

I saw 100 mb tho

[rotund lagoon]

This server has the max boost level

[zealous karma]

100Mb is for nitro?

I always get 25Mb only notices

[tame gust]

yup, 100 mb is locked behind Nitro. smh p2w IM services.

[rotund lagoon]

Maybe it is for Nitro .-.

Wtf

[tame gust]

basic nitro is 50mb uploads. Premium is 500mb it says when I check the nitro page.

[civic trellis]

They debuff special attack and anni lillie is made for on type

Do u have any bug types? I did it with alder despite the sp atk debuffs

[zealous karma]

And her sync is very bad

[brave halo]

My only non spatk bug is guzma

[zealous karma]

SSRC has a noticeably better one

Isn’t this about CS I thought?

If you need help for that battle use #1009557516369281075

[brave halo]

No the recording was simply to record gameplay

Can't do cs cause i already finished it much earlier

[civic trellis]

I think we r just telling them whats wrong w their gameplay, should be the same despite the stage

[civic trellis]

U can switch to mm

[tame gust]

The thing is they're complaining that AnniLillie isn't doing damage at 1/5 and refuses to use her to On-type Agatha, and instead wants to use 3/5 Morty because they're gridded and we're trying to tell them that the problem with AnniLilie's damage is the fact he's using her in the wrong scenario.

[civic trellis]

U should be able to try it there

[brave halo]

I'm not attempting MM yet

Not until I get more ex

[north crown]

could just p stall

[tame gust]

Wait you're not even trying to do MM gamepla---WHAT?! That's... HUH?

[rotund lagoon]

EX Supports or EX in general? Cause 5-6 EX Supports is good enough

[civic trellis]

Dont apply the params

[rotund lagoon]

EX Strikes and Techs are not as necessary as Supports

[brave halo]

As for now, just ex in general as I'm trying to work towards getting ssmorty to 20/20

Then I move onto other supports

[proud axle]

The secret is

You're already in Master Mode, just at 0 points

[civic trellis]

U can record gameplay in mm if u dont apply params since it’ll be the same exact difficulty

[proud axle]

0pt Master Mode is exactly the same as Hard

[civic trellis]

u could also do some params which make no difference but wtvr

[brave halo]

But I'm not getting points out of it

What's the point then?

[civic trellis]

To record gameplay

Since u cant reset hard mode

[proud axle]

That's what we're saying. You're already there.

Alright, this is... a 54mb file. Let's see if Discord accepts it

[rotund lagoon]

Wheeeee it does!

[rotund lagoon]

“Art!” “Power!” “Love!”

[civic trellis]

Yeah but lets not get into that, its a waste of time I was just saying to switch to it to record gameplay since they said they cant due to them completing hard mode already

[proud axle]

-Triplequeue before enemy's first turn
-Sync is the first thing queued in its turn
-EX Support Sync
-Quadqueue failed
-Using EX sync as the last thing queued in its turn, to perform a KO denial on the center

[civic trellis]

Also tmrw is ghost weak CS so ig it’d be better to see tmrw

[proud axle]

Maybe I'll showcase A.Lillie with an EX Support, OHKOing sides for denials

Hm. Wonder if she can do that if I get unlucky and SEUN doesn't proc on the right turns

Maybe I'll back her up with Morty just to demonstrate the power differential...

[tame gust]

isn't your A.Lillie a higher move level or just 1/5?

[proud axle]

1/5

[civic trellis]

I have a video alr

[tame gust]

okay then yeah, prove to Speedy that it's not the character's fault; it's the pilot.

[zealous karma]

You don’t need ex’s to clear 2.5 champion stadium

Aurochs does it with 4 star unjts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juZPhZ4zSSA&ab_channel=AurochsAway

[tame gust]

yeah, never sleep on low rarity units. Some of their kits, in the right hands, can run laps around 5-star pairs and even limited in some cases.

[civic trellis]

I used their team and I think they ignored it

[brave halo]

I'm actually trying to at least get Marley up to 150 right now, cause I hear a lot about her being pretty good

[civic trellis]

What exactly is quadqueue btw? And why does it matter if a sync is first second or last?

[brave halo]

And tomorrow I can finish her grids

[rotund lagoon]

Why 150? Isn’t 120-125 enough

[proud axle]

120 is more than enough

Level-up gains after 100 are kind of garbage

[brave halo]

I need to be sure tho

[proud axle]

120 is easy to reach. That's why we set the benchmark there

130+ is not really worth "stretching" for

[tame gust]

Sure of what...?

[brave halo]

I have every character at 140, so that's out the window

[civic trellis]

Basically everything is good and while marley is good prob not the best 150 candidate meta wise

[proud axle]

I think the problem is your playstyle then, instead of your tools

[rotund lagoon]

Well the difference between 140-150 is extremely small

[proud axle]

...Even Marlon?

[rotund lagoon]

Not worth the trouble

[civic trellis]

Wait rlly? How large of a difference is 100 to 150?

[brave halo]

If I've learned enough of other rpgs

Every point counts

[rotund lagoon]

Well……this is not those RPG’s…

This game is much different than other gachas.

[tame gust]

[civic trellis]

basically everything

[proud axle]

You can see how the stat lines have visibly shallower slopes after the 100 mark

Level-up gains actually escalate from 1 to 100

And at 100, they drop to... that

[zealous karma]

Quad queue is in pins of this channel

[proud axle]

The enemy can only queue things, while the move gauge is moving.
When your sync move is up next, it pauses the move gauge. This can happen before the enemy has queued its next move

[civic trellis]

Ohhh I think I get it

[raw halo]

A quad queue is queueing with the sync pair who is using the sync move immediately after using the sync move. I’ll need more details for that 2nd bit

[proud axle]

There are certain conditions that can give the enemy a chance to queue before your sync move begins, so it's not always possible

(Even when it is possible, the timing to cram a thing into the queue after your sync but before the enemy queues something is very strict)

[civic trellis]

Gigafreak’s last point in the msg I replied to

[proud axle]

It is sometimes advantageous to queue the sync last on purpose, if you know the sync will knock someone out for a denial

[raw halo]

^^

[tame gust]

ohh, that's probably in reference to a turn denial. I think it was--yeah, what he just said.

[proud axle]

That's what I did with my second sync, in the video I posted earlier

[raw halo]

Basically if you can turn cancel with your sync move you’ll get a quad queue opportunity

Is the summary of what they’re trying to say

[proud axle]

The boss was at a sliver of health so I just had Lusamine catch him with splash while the other two softened up the sidekicks

[grand steppe]

In normal gameplay without sync acceleration if you do not have Adrenaline 1 or a Quad queue, your sync countdown will be at 1 when the enemy syncs.
Whereas if you quad queue or utilize Adrenaline 1 on the first sync, your countdown will have reached 0 the turn before the enemy syncs, allowing you to queue up an additional sync before the enemy.

[proud axle]

(Oh, and, this is Marley's/Arcanine's stat spread if that wasn't clear)

[mellow linden]

I’m just gonna do a breakdown of the parameters one would use for on-type 850 points and why they would offer no difficulty increase compared to Hard Mode:

• Physical Damage Reduction (50 points): Sets permanent Reflect on the opponents’ side. Reflect is ignored by critical hits, so if you’re properly buffing your damage-dealers this makes no difference.

• Special Damage Reduction (50 points): Same as above, but Light Screen. So again, unless your damage-dealers aren’t getting properly buffed to begin with there’s no difficulty increase.

• No Status Conditions (can be replaced with Interference Immunity, 50 points): Gives the opponents immunity to Burn, Paralysis, Poison, Freeze, and Sleep. Teams that don’t rely on these statuses will experience no difference in difficulty.

• Interference Immunity (can be replaced with No Status Conditions, 50 points): Gives the opponents immunity to Trap, Flinch, and Confused. Teams that don’t rely on these conditions will see no difficulty increase.

• Physical Damage Reduction 8 (can be replaced with Special Damage Reduction 8, 100 points): Reduces the physical damage your team deals by 80%. Teams who aren’t using a physical damage dealer will experience no difficulty increase.

• Special Damage Reduction 8 (can be replaced with Physical Damage Reduction 8, 100 points): Same as above, but special. Teams that don’t use a special damage-dealer will see no difficulty increase.

• Ally Move Gauge Max -2 (300 points): Reduces the Move Gauge to 4 instead of 6. As long as the team has proper gauge management there is no difficulty increase.

• Standard Damage Reduction 8 (300 points): Reduces non-Supereffective damage your team deals by 80%. As long as your damage-dealers are on-type there will be no difficulty increase.

[zealous karma]

Here’s what a side denial looks like

in this case center denial

[proud axle]

"Which side?"
"The in side."

[gritty sentinel]

whats a good team for alder?

[mellow linden]

If for some reason you need to use both physical and special damage then you can replace Physical/Special Damage Reduction 8 with Sync Buff ^ 5, which increases the effectiveness of your opponents’ Sync buffs. As long as you KO the opponent before they Sync (easy to do on 850 points) there will be no difficulty increase

[raw halo]

SC Ingo if you have him and a support

[zealous karma]

Alder Ldawn and Sshilbert if you have them

[raw halo]

Without SC Ingo consider a special attack debuffer

[gritty sentinel]

i dont have any bug zones

and alder is my only bug dps that i built

[grand steppe]

What Move Level Alder?

[gritty sentinel]

3/5

[zealous karma]

Def bring a Spatk debuffer then

No Ldawn?

[proud axle]

Is this for Bug-weak Blue next week?

[raw halo]

L dawn can work

[cinder summit]

Dawn & Wormadam

Acquisition:

Trainer Lodge

Alternates:

Dawn & Torterra
Sygna Suit Dawn & Cresselia
Dawn (Palentine's 2021) & Alcremie
Dawn (New Year's 2023) & Oricorio

[gritty sentinel]

whats LDawn?

oh

[zealous karma]

seeing the LAbrevation for a non legendary unit is so odd

[gritty sentinel]

yea dont have her sadly

im trying to get her

[raw halo]

Viola is a decent stopgap for now

[zealous karma]

Speedrun dawn in lodge you can just use Viola then

Bring a accuracy or spd buffer

[gritty sentinel]

i mean i can just offtype

not sure if it will work

[proud axle]

SpAtk debuffer... well, there's Viola.

[grand steppe]

3/5 doesn't need Accuracy. (He has Pinpoint Entry 1 at 2/5, and access to regular accuracy tiles at 3/5)

[gritty sentinel]

sc sonia ss lyra ss morty

[rotund lagoon]

Alder is good tho

[proud axle]

Don't forget she had Struggle Bug before even Alder did

[gritty sentinel]

would that work as a offtype

[proud axle]

You can also use Ghetsis

[raw halo]

Idk what this is for but outside of an off region EB that team will clear

[gritty sentinel]

its for the cs after this

[proud axle]

The tank will want to have Impervious (Blue has a lot of debuffs) and Speed buffs

[gritty sentinel]

the bug weak one

would that team offtype

[proud axle]

Blue has Aggravation 4 so those debuffs are also very likely to land

[gritty sentinel]

sc sonia and ss morty is 3/5 and ss lyra 1/5

[raw halo]

Then you can use that if you don’t need those pairs anywhere else, if you want to make alder work go Viola / Alder / Support

[gritty sentinel]

LBlue?

[proud axle]

Enemy Blue

[gritty sentinel]

ah

[tame gust]

God, if only LBlue got Aggra 4..

[proud axle]

...The Defense Crush 9 is kind of funny because there's almost no phys attacks here

[north crown]

I come to check in, and I still see a lot of problems that need to be worked out

[proud axle]

Right sidekick has Bulldoze after Blue goes down, tho

[north crown]

oh wait I didn't scroll down.. could someone give me a rundown on what happened?

[proud axle]

Anyway, I'm thinking Alder + Viola (just for Struggle Bug) + a support

[zealous karma]

I rarely see confusion actually effect anything