Champion Stadium

[tribal agate]

well it's a bit unorthodox but if you're absolutely using both Lillie and Ball Guy

https://i.imgur.com/SGkZ4VQ.png

you'll need to get Speed somehow

otherwise he loses damage

do you have Roxanne up & available?

[hidden ore]

Yup

[tribal agate]

if you have the proper grid with her which involves TM refreshes and Barricade Buddies, she could help maximize his Speed and SPDEF along Lillie's

so it enables smart cookie & ramming speed

plus she'll tank a Surf from the sides since that seemed to be one of the struggles

[junior crown]

isn't Skyla better than Roxanne?

more potions

[tribal agate]

Lillie has potions already

[junior crown]

and SPA SC Lille already give

[tribal agate]

it's not about the SPA here

[hidden ore]

So Lillie + Roxanne then?

[tribal agate]

just Speed, a bit of Spdef help but mainly also countering the Surfs with the wall

Skyla would also work ofc but not sure she's available, i think Roxanne can be a safer bet here

[hidden ore]

Shes available too

[tribal agate]

if you have Skyla up and feel Roxanne is not bulky enough or struggles, then Skyla can be attempted yeah

[hidden ore]

So I’ll go with Skyla + Lillie then

[tribal agate]

sure

[hidden ore]

And with Syca grid you did?

[tribal agate]

lemme see

i'm not entirely certain

now that you have speed

i'll redo it

https://i.imgur.com/s79kfim.png

Acumen won't serve much purpose but it's the general grid

you can substitute for this https://i.imgur.com/u8OXUV3.png

in the fight you have two options now

1. Play normally as you can and sync with Lillie first then Sycamore next
2. Turn deny left side by syncing first with Sycamore so you can secure a sync again pre-sync (more advanced)

in either case, you need to make sure Sludge Bomb poisons early, or you'll have to reset

[junior crown]

Just to be sure, you are using Lodge Sycamore because: you want to use him, you want to do all 5 on type and there are no other grass damage dealers or yu just want to get 12.5k points?

[tribal agate]

they want to use him

[junior crown]

it's better to sync with SC Lille first no?

or skyla if she is EX

[tribal agate]

yes unless you turn denial

[hidden ore]

skyla is ex

[tribal agate]

idt either have Adrenaline 1

[junior crown]

well, both SC Lille and Skyla can flinch

[tribal agate]

true true

[tribal agate]

do a try and gauge / tell us how it goes

[junior crown]

then it's up to you who to sync with

I'm a supp lover so I'd sync with both supp since lodge sycamore is not EX

[tribal agate]

yeah with aggravation 1 in grid you're royal

aye i advised that as well earlier

leaf storm dps is gonna skyrocket

best of luck

[hidden ore]

F, Syca fainted after sync

[tribal agate]

to water shuriken?

was she not full health with potions?

if needed, you might need to use x spdef all early (from Lillie)

[hidden ore]

well on sync he fainted

I did sync on Skyla first

[tribal agate]

is Lillie the first target?

[hidden ore]

nope

[tribal agate]

why not

[hidden ore]

will try again

[junior crown]

use the first rotations to buff def

and to poison

[tribal agate]

make sure Lillie is first target

[junior crown]

start doing damage after it

[tribal agate]

she has far more spdef than Skyla

[tribal agate]

what the

[hidden ore]

That was after Serena synced

Maybe messed params here

[tribal agate]

well there's several things

maybe params yes, pick post sync if you can't pre

[hidden ore]

Have that recorded

[tribal agate]

but with flinches, you should be able to sync twice before Serena hmm

[hidden ore]

Sadly no early poison luck

[tribal agate]

yeah there's a lot of rng involved here

sludge bomb has to poison

flinches have to happen

[hidden ore]

will change sync buff to gradual heal

[tribal agate]

you should consider copy pasting the "post sync" parameters from the pinned screenshot (and make sure to swap no condition to no interference)

if you use power-on-hit or atk parameters, you'll suffer a lot

STR makes the target have more HP at the trade of lower ATK, but you have two EX supports with potions so having the fight longer shouldn't be a problem, it's just about not dying to the sync

[hidden ore]

Got synced again

[junior crown]

that team needs a lot of setup

[hidden ore]

Its the params I think

[junior crown]

it take a while to really do damage

so yes, post-sync should work better

you take 4~5 turns to fully buff Lodge Sycamore

[hidden ore]

post sync have no status conditions

what to replace for 12,5k?

[tribal agate]

Netta i wrote that above please check it out

you can swap no status condition for interf immunity do not do this i am absolutely stupid, i forgot you're trying to flinch too, use ATK or DEF 1 if anything it won't change much

it's also in the disclaimer in case that boxed params are interchangeable

wait god i'm tired, edited that earlier statement

apologies it's been a lot today i guess too lmao, this one's on me

[junior crown]

One thing that I just noticed too

mine is lv 140 4*

but his defense is 117...

[tribal agate]

Sycamore?

[junior crown]

yeap

lower than eggmons

[tribal agate]

well Serena's sync is special so it shouldn't be too awful

Brutal Swing can be facetanked with Skyla's DEF buffs if anything

[junior crown]

both of them are 117...

[tribal agate]

ah

yeah 140 at best at 5*

that's gonna be a problem

good catch thanks

yikes yeah it's gonna be a real problem

Serena also has Inertia and buffs her speed quite well

i had no idea his defenses were that pathetic

well at this point not many options

[junior crown]

I just tried that team (Lodge Sycamore SC Lille Skyla) against Lorelei R1 and he was taking lot's of damage

wish it could be possible to try champ without doing all 4 before for the test...

[tribal agate]

yeah i bet i'm glad you brought that up i should have known better

he pops like a balloon

[junior crown]

I did Lorelei with post-sync

but pre-sync not possible

[tribal agate]

yeah but sadly C Serena is on another whole level

the Inertia is a whole issue

[junior crown]

can always hope she doesn't buff speed before sync

or get only +2

[grand steppe]

Use Ramos

[tribal agate]

[junior crown]

if they didn't want to use lodge sycamore

I'd already tell them to do poison stall

much easier

[tribal agate]

oh yeah C Serena's also kept Rising Tide and i think she debuffs spatk aoe no?

with Ripple Effect

[junior crown]

he has impervious

[tribal agate]

oh yeah ofc Leaf Storm and all

i should really call it a day

[junior crown]

we have all been there

don't worry

[tribal agate]

lol thank you, good luck Netta with that clear if you're still attempting

[hidden ore]

Thanks for help
At least I tried (will try until I give up and offtype)

[eternal lodge]

Next week is a speedrun

[zinc island]

Agatha, Agatha wake up i didn't even hit that hard... TRISTAAAA

[void wyvern]

Agatha really had to hit the inhaler after that one

[proud axle]

With Redlax and SSKris, Marnie can use her B Move on turn 3 and hit for upwards of 25k on all three enemies

At 1/5.

If you take the Ally Starting HP -5 option, you can easily trigger Spikemuth Grid and hit even harder

I know this because I completely forgot about Spikemuth Grit in the planning phase for such a run, and hit for 25k having foolishly consumed it before the B Move.

[mellow linden]

Tbh I almost feel like doing all that much more than the minimum required amount of planning when using Champ Marnie is unnecessary

[proud axle]

I just wanted to see how big I could get the B Move on Turn 3

[mellow linden]

Fair

[proud axle]

I recorded it, in fact

(Way more than 2500pts in parameters, I think, just to flex)

[toxic cobalt]

You can quadqueue B moves? I didn't know

[proud axle]

Neither did I, funnily! I decided to try it anyway and fortunately it worked!

[fiery canopy]

aight round 2, agathas outta the way so who should come next

[toxic cobalt]

Not lance or bruno says pins

[swift swan]

Bruno is still doable I think, sides are special (bruno's physical moves aren't a huge threat either)

Lance is more dangerous r2

[crystal galleon]

No Victor and used SS Leaf on Lorelei, I have 1/5 SS Lyra, and trying to use SS Cynthia and Clemont (speed drop) didn't work out, suggestions for SC Serena?

[fiery canopy]

ill play it safe and go lorelei next then

[junior crown]

Poison stall SC Serena

Use Janine to lower attack/spa/speed

[old orchid]

SS Lyra is a free win if you know how to flinch chain

use her to carry a Grass dmg dealer

[crystal galleon]

Azriel, really living up to your userename lol
I unfortunately have used both Janine and all my grass strike pairs besides Selene... I'll try flinch chain+offtyping. Not ideal but I don't have much choice.

[old orchid]

off typing is a valid option

[crystal galleon]

Yep. At least I have a decent amount of strats now without worrying about grass typing.

[toxic cobalt]

Have you used Silver?

He has no fun if he gets surfed, but SS Lyra should manage that risk pretty handily

[dark osprey]

yeah. honestly Serena with lowered attacks with Janine does low sync damage.

[crystal galleon]

I was on the right track, just got screwed in the end by the side physical moves when I couldn't flinch them. Already used SS Blue so Sycamore was my next best choice, plus recuperation sync spam wasn't half bad.

[old orchid]

what move level is your Skyla? she is bad at dps

[crystal galleon]

140, terrible dps for sure. I was playing the long flinching game instead of focusing on damage.

Oh wait, 2/5 sorry

[old orchid]

Lyra' s flinch is enough, replace Skyla with a strong dmg dealer

[crystal galleon]

I'm missing the air cutter staggering, true. I was just testing things out.

[dark osprey]

thing with Lyra, u can take more offensive paramaters if u r flinching most of the time. hopefully u r always trying to get grassy glide as the 3rd move in queue and quad queuing with her just after the flinch

[crystal galleon]

I've... never quad queued before. I'll consider it but I've been fine without it.

[dark osprey]

i mean quad queue with lyra flinch is much easier than sync quad queue and u skip a whole turn if you do

just keep tapping and it would be good

[crystal galleon]

I'll practice it. I'm just used to doing it in 3's.

[dark osprey]

can try it out. it's Lyra's secret weapon

single turn skip almost guaranteed. only issue is gauge tbh

which can be managed with terrain

[crystal galleon]

Yep, thanks

[old orchid]

https://youtu.be/rWXK7nQpLTc

[trail smelt]

Is that max points?

[old orchid]

No

They didnt pick crit shield and no debuff

[toxic cobalt]

Immense luck with that Lunatone

[keen jasper]

I'm waiting for 5800 pts.

[swift swan]

Is it even possible

[keen jasper]

The zeus rodents did 4300 pts. before

[old orchid]

Now with both dmg reduction and standard reduction params the rats cant beat 5800

[swift swan]

5.8k is max points right? So you can't even set terrain

No flinches from red either

[trail smelt]

No interference is funny

[swift swan]

Also means they ALL take x3 damage

Which I suppose isn't too much considering they can beat EBEs without being boosted

[keen jasper]

But Power on Hit tho

I'm gonna try 5.5k pts. with the 3rd anni trio

[old orchid]

Even SS Lyra has to remove no interference and no terrain

[swift swan]

Yeah, plus full attack and strength

They'll take 3 hits from their damage guards then fold to the rest

[keen jasper]

Damn, Rock Tomb did 330 damage to my Aura Cynthia even with +6 Defense

[hidden ore]

So there’s no one who can beat all points?

[keen jasper]

Wow, I'm barely scratching

I think I'll need to wait for electric-weak CS to be able to attempt this

[keen jasper]

I'm surprised she can deal this much damage even with max HP, strength and defense parameters

[zealous karma]

Karen wishes she could do that much

[keen jasper]

I'm actually comparing Cerena's damage to SC Zinnia because that one Reddit post told me that SC Zinnia is "the" strongest sync nuker, and I'm using JL Masters video to help reference

[worn tusk]

could i off type grass cs with 3 teams?

[old orchid]

yes why not

[worn tusk]

is there any round i should be careful about?

[old orchid]

no need to ping

avoid fighting Lorelei on R3

and dont choose R3 param on the champion battle

[worn tusk]

my bad

[old orchid]

R4 is also a problem

[worn tusk]

so round 2 lorelei and who would be round 3 n 4

already did bertha

[old orchid]

R3 depends on your damage dealer, if they use spatk, use them on R3

bring your best team on R4

[worn tusk]

So when should i use galar moltres

[old orchid]

on R4

she also has Protect to tank the sync

since Grimsley buffs speed furiously and has Inertia, i dont recommend fighting him on R4

[keen jasper]

Serena, her Water Shuriken can delete your tank

Bertha is kind of a problem as you need to replace her sandstorm

Oh you did Bertha

[worn tusk]

yh

[keen jasper]

But yeah, be careful against Cerena

[zealous karma]

She is the strongest nuker even without rebuff lel you can do the calcs for yourself

[keen jasper]

Cerena right?

[worn tusk]

what about C serena

[old orchid]

either R1 or R2

Dont. Pick. R3.

[zealous karma]

No Zinnia lel

[keen jasper]

Hmmmm

[keen jasper]

What's the comp for Zinnia?

CCalem and?

[storm moss]

Do you need grass for all of them?

[zealous karma]

It’s not even close lel

The one extra multiplier really puts her into favor

[keen jasper]

I'm kind of asking for Cerena's dark sync

[keen jasper]

This is what I got:
Zinnia: 308289, 311714, 315140, 318565, 321991, 325416, 328841, 332267, 335692, 339118, 342543
Cerena: 253070, 255882, 258694, 261506, 264318, 267130, 269942, 272754, 275565, 278377, 281189

[zealous karma]

Cerena was dethroned as strongest nuker with CHop and Chop was dethroned with sczinnia power creep is fast, but this discussion is better suited for #916852389347196958 of further continuation needed

[keen jasper]

Hmmmm, just wondering only, but why does the spreadsheet Cerena is still the strongest?

[zealous karma]

Idk if it’s updated or not

I don’t really check it

[keen jasper]

Spreadsheet ranked Zinnia as 5th strongest overall while Cerena is still #1

[zealous karma]

Hmm I don’t know them could ask in gen strat discussion

[keen jasper]

I think I know of 1 comp where Cerena surpasses Zinnia

Actually NVM

[zealous karma]

I don’t lel I don’t go to in depth with calcs I assume it’s prolly some theme skill dif

[worn tusk]

what are some good poison stall teams for cserena

[toxic cobalt]

You’ll need very good special defence. What sort of tanks do you have?

[worn tusk]

ill send my supports yh?

[toxic cobalt]

Sure. Is there a particular reason you want to stall?

[worn tusk]

Easy clear ig

[keen jasper]

Show us your grass types?

[north crown]

SSErika: 👁️👄👁️

[swift swan]

SS Erika is right there

[toxic cobalt]

SS Érika has such good animations

[junior crown]

If you want to poison stall I used OG Janine BP Janine and SwinMisty on SC Serena

I'd recomend OG Janine Lucy/BP Erika and a good tanker (BP Morty for F2P, or Burghpi / SSA Cynthia for example if you have)

[dark osprey]

SS Erika over Victor too? I guess she's quite an effective damage dealer with utility

[keen jasper]

SS Erika has sun multipliers while Victor's multipliers are locked in 3/5 grids

[dark osprey]

Yeah sure. Victors main draw is his max sync though I feel

[swift swan]

Ss erika is gauge friendly enough to run another unit with her

[dark osprey]

Yeah. Prefer SS Erika myself but honestly thought most considered victor to be great too

Ss Erika and silver would clear Serena with ease I guess

[keen jasper]

https://youtu.be/PABRGBPC57g

5k pts. solo

[swift swan]

[north crown]

that cs gameplay makes scz's kit look so dumb

[dark osprey]

Doesn't seem fun at all

[worn tusk]

like this

[north crown]

do you even know sserika's kit?

ig she's self sufficient for the most part, but her grid wants her to have speed

and every 3rd turn, you'd have to set up sun again

that's the reason why people suggested running silver with her

[swift swan]

Sc steven sure, but... Run a good support that can buff her phys attack and speed

[keen jasper]

It ain't much, but it's honest work

2.5k only

[swift swan]

Ayo

[north crown]

does scs give anything other than seup?

[swift swan]

PMUN and defense debuffs I think? Let me check

[zealous karma]

Hopefully his expansion gives him max extensiom

[north crown]

oh he buffs speed... by 2 on an ally...

ig that solves the speed problem

[swift swan]

Ss erika still needs to buff her phys attack though

Just any physical support then

[keen jasper]

And she only has +2 crit

[north crown]

not under sun

she gives herself max offensive buffs under sun

[swift swan]

[north crown]

she only has to use 1 tm under sun too

so you could go tm sun tm

and still be able to quadq

[keen jasper]

2/5 Victor

[zealous karma]

Reminder to please use #1010274591601598555 to prevent clutter from channel

[obtuse rover]

Does champion stadiums hard has a guide ? Does it give more rewards? What should i put for points ?

I never did master mode so i might need a little help with it

[zealous karma]

Hard only gives the rewards for beating the stage that’s it there’s no extra rewards, Master Mode does offer some rewards and there’s a guide in pins for parameters

Would you mind showing your roster from the
Sync pairs->Upgrades->move Level menu or use

+tracker

[frozen depot]

https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker/

For newcomers/beginners, check the video below on how to properly showcase your pairs : https://i.imgur.com/A0XcAgZ.mp4

[wide adder]

I wanna try something other than elesa zebstrika

[zealous karma]

ty

[zealous karma]

SSEirika Skyla brendan ~ Lorelei
SSLeon Sycamore Lucian ~ Lance
Gladion Cbede AniRaihan ~ Agatha
SSRed Hop blaine ~ bruno
Koga SSleaf Torchic ~ Blue
I would aim for 7.5k make sure to candy koga and mc torchic if you can to 3/5 apologies for the wait

[obtuse rover]

koga crobat ?

[zealous karma]

yes

[obtuse rover]

are they worth using because they are very low on the tier list

[zealous karma]

tier list dont matter and Koga is like our best non limited poison DPS and nuje by far

hes also not low on the tier list lel

[upper mantle]

The tier list doesn't mean much, it just ranks it based on everything else available on game essentially and its utility itself as a pair

[zealous karma]

that

If I can clear 3K and wise entry x2 flint with calem anything is possible

[obtuse rover]

i usually keep B and above in my favorite, almost all 125

but need some adjustment

[zealous karma]

tier lists seriously do not matter in this game lel its not very worth to use a tier list on how good a pair is in this gamr

[bright furnace]

koga is good enough

there's maybe 3 sync pairs that aren't worth using. the rest you can manage

[junior crown]

but you can do poison stall and don't need to candy koga as well

[zealous karma]

why wouldnt you candy koga

[bright furnace]

koga is good tho

[junior crown]

depends on the stage they are in the game

if they have like only 2 4* tech candy

[zealous karma]

I geniunely cant tell if theyre new or not ssleon has not been reran and they have kantrio seems like an older/not active account

[bright furnace]

ss leon is when we just started, richu

[zealous karma]

if they have 2 tech 4* candies imo theyre best used on koga

[zealous karma]

ye ik so second anni was last time he was ran, outside of paid banners

[obtuse rover]

yah i was playing the game like way ago

[bright furnace]

being around 2nd anni would sound right tbh

[obtuse rover]

i quit after getting giovani on first run

[bright furnace]

giovanni was also running around that time, altho first run was a long time ago..

[obtuse rover]

yh that long ago

[zealous karma]

Like for ref anni lillie was prolly called the best unit from that trio but aged really poorly and fast and also is not too high on tier lists anymore

[bright furnace]

and looking at the 4* techs, Koga is probably the best one

[zealous karma]

ye I agree lel

[bright furnace]

use them if you have them. not many other poison types

[zealous karma]

plumeria is pain

[obtuse rover]

so 3/5 koga ?

[bright furnace]

next best is bp zinnia but you have zinnia + ss leon

[zealous karma]

if you can, definetely

[obtuse rover]

done

[bright furnace]

you have sync orbs?

[obtuse rover]

yh

[bright furnace]

google doc sync grids are fine for him

[zealous karma]

+syncgriddoc

[obtuse rover]

i really dont know who to sync

[zealous karma]

+griddoc

idk these commands e

[obtuse rover]

i have the list

lvl 130 emough ?

[zealous karma]

oh alr

125 is fine

[bright furnace]

yea

[obtuse rover]

or should i go 135]

[rotund lagoon]

120-125

[obtuse rover]

i can do 135

[bright furnace]

you are doing 7500 clear?

[obtuse rover]

ill try

never cleared master mode

[bright furnace]

130 is plenty then

[obtuse rover]

is lucky skills important

[bright furnace]

it'll help

[obtuse rover]

mind games or toxic power ?

[formal vigil]

mind games

[bright furnace]

i run toxic power grid for koga personally

[zealous karma]

I like mind games more

helps his nuke and consecutive attacks

[bright furnace]

hides fall iris

[obtuse rover]

should i make him 5 stars ?

[bright furnace]

it doesn't hurt having both grids, you have 4 slots

how many you have?

[obtuse rover]

27

[rotund lagoon]

Not a priority

[obtuse rover]

i can also incraese torchic to 3/5

[rotund lagoon]

Mine is 4 stars and he is just fine

[obtuse rover]

for this

[bright furnace]

i would say try it out without the upgrades and see how it goes

[zealous karma]

tm mpr would be nice for macing koga spatk but its not necessary may be to frail

[obtuse rover]

should i also grid sync torchic

[bright furnace]

obviously grid as much as you can

if you have the orbs

if you're limited, maybe partial grids

it wouldn't be a bad idea to test and then make changes like gridding, etc

[obtuse rover]

i will try if i cant win i will grid

now i will watch the video for master mode

[obtuse rover]

for 7500 do i put all ?

max is 2500 tho

[north crown]

2.5k per round adds up to a total of 12500 points

1.5k per round adds up to a total of 7500 points

[obtuse rover]

haha 2500 is impossible, i died in 1 attack and they dont take dmg

[north crown]

I'd still suggest to do as many as you possibly can do you could get more/save yourself some headaches

[obtuse rover]

so 1500 it is

[north crown]

You probably chose the wrong points. You shouldn't be able to get straight up one shot.

[proud axle]

Last time someone complained about this, they used settings that specifically ruined their own teams

[north crown]

[proud axle]

Either they took Standard Damage Reduction 8 (which prevents offtyping) with an offtype team, or Phys Reduction 8 (which prevents phys attacks) with a phys team. Maybe both

[obtuse rover]

which do i take, on type pre sync, on-type post sync, poison stall, off-type pre-sync, off-type post-sync

[proud axle]

First, is your attacker ontype or offtype

...Zeroth, do you know what ontype means

[obtuse rover]

im using these

[proud axle]

Second, did you read the bit labeled "important" at the top

[north crown]

wait hwat

oh in the cs points doc

[obtuse rover]

i will try to experiment i guess

i read it yes

[proud axle]

Okay. Do you know what on-type means Y/N

[obtuse rover]

im guessing on type if im using a type that counters the other team

grass against water is on type

[proud axle]

Bruh, Lisia counters Fighting Lorelei and she's not ontype

On-type means hitting the weakpoint, that's all

So you pick Ontype vs Offtype based on whether your team's offense is purely the weakpoint or not purely the weakpoint

[obtuse rover]

leafon is on type tho against lapras

[proud axle]

Correct. So you can choose an Ontype set

[north crown]

you're struggling with leafeon? wtf

[obtuse rover]

but there is 3 sets

[junior crown]

I'll just say that there were new players that did 2.5k in stages because of poison stall and that's why I always recomend it

[proud axle]

Lorelei is a little resistant to toxic stall due to her regen; Blue is much more resistant to toxic stall than most poison-weak foes because he has Sync Cure

[obtuse rover]

guide me throught it

just let me finish this stad first then i will test more things later

which on type should i use ? tank friendly or post sync

[proud axle]

SSErika and Brendan need 100pts more than usual together because they are a mixed offense (SSErika with phys and Brendan with special)

[proud axle]

SSErika risks running out of sun, the longer the fight lasts

So post-sync can be a problem

[obtuse rover]

im down for more suggestion till i kinda get the jest of the master stad

[junior crown]

Yeah, but regen was used back in 1.5k~2k modes and wasn't a problem, and blue even with sync cure, just need to poison again, and since he have poison/trap resist 5 it's fast anyway

[proud axle]

If you can get away with not using Sycamore elsewhere, you can have him plus Hop plus a phys Grass attacker (SSErika, Selene, Victor, Mallow, Lodge Gloria, SCSonia)

Horn Leech is a pretty strong move

[proud axle]

I sure as hell never took regen in a stall team

[mellow linden]

If you’re new to Master Mode you can try 850 points

[proud axle]

...Wait, is that why people kept acting like it took longer than I thought it did

[junior crown]

I just think that on-type you want: vigilance on tank, CS2 on damage dealers, possibly grid on both (if not all 3 pairs) and and sometimes even candy pairs, like they said about Koga, and that's for each of the teams and for the types (at least 22 pairs, 17 types + 5 tanks), while poison stall you want as a "base" vigilance in tank and grid the tank, and it's usable in every week (so you focus in "only" 5 pairs)

if they already have resources, great to do ontype

but building every team from 0 for one week and doing that again for the next week (because the type will change and the pairs will need to change for ontype) will be hard

that's why I think it's more important to build at least 2/3 poison stall teams and the rest can be done ontype, and with time and more resources start substituting poison stall (if want/need)

[obtuse rover]

850 is way more reasonable

[junior crown]

but well, as cobalt said, can do 850 points and go full ontype without much resources too

[obtuse rover]

🙂

[proud axle]

Skyla's looking... Under-trained

[obtuse rover]

she is working fine for me tho

[bright furnace]

She’s a really good free support

Unlock the full grid with 3* support candy when you get it

[obtuse rover]

done

3/5

also she is 5 star but probably forgot to put it

fanfare or MGR

probably fanfare

[junior crown]

I use her usually with Potion + MGR or Potion + Flinch

fanfare only for specific teams

[proud axle]

You said she dies in one hit, so... Which is it? Works fine or dies in one hit?

[proud axle]

Fanfare does absolutely nothing on this team, SSErika and Brendan both max Atk

[obtuse rover]

staggering ?

[proud axle]

Can you tell us the order you use your moves in, for that fight

[obtuse rover]

i won on 850

[obtuse rover]

no way i beat bruno with fire team they dont take dmg

[proud axle]

Turn off Standard Damage Reduction 8

Use an offtype set

There is no longer a one-size-fits-all solution, because the new score options are very heavily dependent on teambuild. If you copy someone's homework without putting any brainwork into it, you will get a zero.

...Also is this Round 2? Is it a good idea to fight Bruno here?

[mellow linden]

Depends on how fast you can KO, but probably better to take him on later

[proud axle]

SSRed has a phys attack but you never want to actually use it

[rotund lagoon]

If you don’t know how to update some of the things for a character in the tracker, lemme know

[obtuse rover]

i did it tho thx

[fiery canopy]

guysss im gonna fight lorelei r2 any tipz

[zealous karma]

Watch out for aqua tail maybe avoid high offensive parameters if your striker can’t handle surf

[fiery canopy]

well lets see hereeee

yeesh idk what chara to use as my striker
my grasses r mostly supports

mmmm

should i send my roster

[zealous karma]

Do you have SSEirika or Brendan

[fiery canopy]

nope

[zealous karma]

Oh

Then you can attempt using silver do you have any supp Ex?

Preferably one who raises Spd

There aren’t to many good grass strikers from the hen pool that aren’t those two although if you can setup mallow iirc she’s pretty serviceable

[fiery canopy]

dont have mallow either :-(
my rosa is ex tho

should i have a unit with sunny day if im gonna b using silver

[zealous karma]

Can you play your roster my apologies

[fiery canopy]

its all gud, lemme send

[zealous karma]

You haven’t used CMarnie yet right?

[fiery canopy]

i have, on agatha

[zealous karma]

Oh no

You’re not aiming for 12.5K correct?

[fiery canopy]

nope this is just regular hard mode

[zealous karma]

Oh

What types do you have left

Can use zinnia for dragon and a weather setter and can off type with sycamore/rosa Cyrus winona
Grass you can use SSLeaf a defensive buffer with potions (poison stall) and a tupe@your missing
And Koga a special buffer and a type you’re missing can use@aloster

[fiery canopy]

lemme go check what types i need

all i need is normal and electric

[zealous karma]

Can omit base leaf into the poison stall team alongside ss as for electric you can use BPsurge to support zinnia

[marsh crater]

Finally. 12.5k pasio. So hard. C Marnie the real mvp for the Serena fight. Surviving the greninja sync

[lethal fox]

Hey guyz
Somr team advice for plant type 12.5k CS?

[old orchid]

With Grass dmg dealers you can make 5 teams: Mallow, Selene, SS Erika, LSycamore and Brendan

Can do offtype if you cant beat a stage ontype

Raise LSycamore move level to 3/5 and lvl 120 at least

[lethal fox]

He is good enough?

[old orchid]

No need to ping

Yeah he is really good

[lethal fox]

Okay thanks

And then what i do?

[old orchid]

Do the Champion Stadium

I suggested you 5 damage dealers, one for each team. Try to build a team around each of them

[lethal fox]

Okay
But for you the best utility pairs are?

[old orchid]

Then post here so we will give you more advice

What utility?

[lethal fox]

My bad
I mean Support sync pair

[old orchid]

Try to build teams first, then i will give comment on them

[lethal fox]

Ok
Thx

[marsh crater]

My team for references for 12.5k cs pasio. All my limited pairs are 1/5. Only CSerena is 2/5

[proud axle]

Don't forget, some grass attackers are not actually grass type. Silver, regular Sycamore, and Maxie are all very usable

[fiery canopy]

lorelei defeated w poison stall yeye

aight bruno or lance for r3

gonna go bruno

would it be a good idea to use courtney + ingo against him?

screw it im goin for it

[proud axle]

Courtney's DPS never impresses me. Maybe you need a third

I guess if Ingo was your first choice of Support, you don't have Maxie. Maybe you have Cynthia?

Leon?

[fiery canopy]

first try weeeee
i used sycamore as my third unit
sandstorm + ground wish + bulldoze is lovely

but yeah i dont have any of those

aight lance time
gonna do cyrus as ma main unit

unless yall have better ideas

him, giocat as a support, and one moreee

[tribal bramble]

Sorry for the slightly unrelated question but... For some reason, this part of the server doesn't appear unless I click a direct link to here. If I got out, it vanishes. What command should I use so it's always avaliable?

[old orchid]

You have to follow the forum

[fiery canopy]

i could use surge + raichu, and get both normal and electric done....

maybe not though bc hes at a type disadvantage

[tribal bramble]

How do I do that?

I'm kind of a noob with discord's features lol

[old orchid]

Look for the Follow button at the top bar of each forum

[tribal bramble]

Thanks!

[fiery canopy]

ayyyyy i got em first try
now for blue

aw fuck did i really waste two of my poison types against lorelei
fuk

whatever lets see if roxie is any good

morty to help maybe?

and skyla
wow this is random but lets give it a shot

that worked somehow

anyway medal complete yeeeeeey

master mode....scaree

aight whats up with this special champion stadium

[old orchid]

its just a normal CS, but Grass is the only weakness

and Master Mode is unlocked from the start

[fiery canopy]

yikes, only grass
well that will probably not work for me then

[old orchid]

offtyping is always a valid option

[marsh crater]

This. Only one stage i use full grass team

[fiery canopy]

ohh tyty

[proud axle]

There's a status-amp round and Grass Lorelei is here too

So you can toxic-stall her again, but more easily

That leaves four. Bertha's the hardest of the Elite 4, and Round 4 is dangerous no matter whom you face, so you have to plan around them before you begin

[smoky juniper]

What is the ideal round and off-type for Bertha?

[trail smelt]

Get rid of sand

[smoky juniper]

I don't have any grass options beyond SS Leaf and SS Erika so I'm planning on saving them for Serena

[proud axle]

Yes you do.
Sycamore/Xerneas has a powerful grass attack in Horn Leech, and Silver/Ho-Oh has one in Solar Beam

[smoky juniper]

I'm thinking of using them in the Grimsley and Lorelei. Are they better here?

[proud axle]

I would use SSLeaf to toxic-stall one of those two on round 2

SSLeaf, a Venom Drencher (e.g. Janine/Ariados or Tech Egg Nidoqueen), and a tank

Lorelei uses a regen TM after sync; Grimsley uses Dire Hit after sync. Pick which one scares you less

SSLeaf is the most powerful Toxic-staller in the entire game due to her mega evo passive

Bertha is very dangerous; I would be very reluctant to offtype her

On top of losing 300pts from not taking Standard Reduction 8, you lose another 150pts for not being able to take Can't Change Weather/Zone/Terrain. 450 is a lot to compensate for.

I'd sooner offtype Serena than Bertha.

...Also SSLeaf doesn't have a good answer for the fact that Serena continually lowers your team's SpAtk

[junior crown]

well you can poison stall all of them

[proud axle]

You can, but if this person's roster is as limited as they're making it sound, I don't think they have the Toxickers for that

[smoky juniper]

I just started in Jan, so it's limited for sure, but I have most units since then

[junior crown]

if they have SS leaf

they already should have 5 poison dealers

[proud axle]

Around 4 months, huh

[junior crown]

the other 2 that are not 4* general pool and story are BP Erika/BP Janine

[proud axle]

Hm, maybe around 3 months

So the next question is how many BP tickets they have

[junior crown]

if they have Tech Arbok or Tech Golbat is one less

usually tech golbat since it's general eggmon

[smoky juniper]

Can I use standard reduction 8 if using Sycamore or Silver? I haven't gridded Silver yet, but my Sycamore is built for for master healer

[proud axle]

We've kinda had Egg Event after Egg Event for the past several months straight

[proud axle]

Absolutely, their grass moves are strong

[junior crown]

standard reduction is to lower non super effective, so any on type attack bypass it

[smoky juniper]

Oh, I thought it was like all damage

[proud axle]

Silver might still want to sync (even if it deals no damage) just for sun

Like... If SSErika is present, "a sync that deals zero damage but refreshes sun" is possibly more valuable than actually using her sync move for its innate multiplier

Her normal Solar Blade is swole as hell

[smoky juniper]

Alright, so I can use Erika and Silver with maybe Gordie or Melony for Bertha?

[proud axle]

You want speed, Erika and Silver both have Ramming Speed in grid

You could use Marley/Arcanine, or Skyla/Swanna

[north crown]

is this hard or mm

[smoky juniper]

Mm 2500

[proud axle]

If you have befriended Sycamore to FriendLv100 in the Lodge, you can use his Impervious Bulbasaur with his Xerneas (and Hop to buff Xerneas' phys attacks) against Serena

Do not underestimate the simple raw power of Leaf Storm

[smoky juniper]

Oh god no, I am terrible with lodge. But maybe I should work towards that Bulbasaur

[proud axle]

Especially on a mon who's immune to SpAtk drops

[proud axle]

You can drop by the Lodge channel for tips

Nowadays I get 9-12 Friend levels per day on average

[smoky juniper]

Oh that is impressive, I'll do that thanks

[north crown]

grass cs isn't very hard as more than half the stages are stallable (w/ poison stall strats)

[toxic cobalt]

Five stall go

[smoky juniper]

Which are the poison stall units apart from SS Leaf?

[proud axle]

Units with "Badly Poisoned" instead of regular Poisoned

Koga, Janine(BP Crobat) and Lucy have Poison Fang (50% success chance, but Lucy can grid for 100% at 3/5)

[smoky juniper]

Oh will Emma work?

[proud axle]

I have no idea what Emma's moveset is

[smoky juniper]

She has Poison Fang too, and B Cross Poison

[proud axle]

Cross Poison might be a regular Poison, but Poison Fang is the good shit right there

[junior crown]

badly poison pairs: Lucy, Koga, BP Erika, BP Janine, Tech Golbat, Tech Arbok, SS Leaf and Emma

[proud axle]

Erika (BP Tangela) has Toxic and can grid for 100% success rate

SSLeaf has the Venomous passive, so she can inflict it on the entire enemy team at once with Razor Leaf at a ~50% chance. After she mega evolves, it becomes Potent Toxin and instead amplifies damage from Poison status (watch out if the enemy can cure it, she can't inflict it anymore after mega)

[smoky juniper]

Ok so I have 4 of those, they need to be run with 2 tanks right?

[proud axle]

One debuffer and one tank

Tech Egg Nidoqueen and Janine(Ariados) have Venom Drench, so that's two

The third can be Ghetsis, gridded for Noble Roar Double Drop

[toxic cobalt]

Mina for physical Lt surge for special

[smoky juniper]

Are there enemies that can cure it here? I didn't see that on the chart

[proud axle]

Bruno has a Full Heal.

[smoky juniper]

Ah right that would do it

[proud axle]

Over in the Kanto League, Poison-weak Blue has the Sync Cure passive, curing it every time he syncs

(But for him, I'm pretty sure Emma can just take him down with regular violence)

[smoky juniper]

I think I just Galarian Bird Trio'ed him

[proud axle]

Well, that's... An option here too tbh

P sure Neo Marnie has Dauntless either innate or in her 1/5 grid, so she doesn't have to care about Serena's constant SpAtk debuffing

Or you can just use it to get past Grimsley or Bruno if you can't get the stalls to work on all three

[smoky juniper]

How many turns does the stall strat need?

[smoky juniper]

Yeah I usually resort to them if I feel I can't do anything else, or am running out of pairs to make a coherent team, which is usually the last E4 or champion

But Bertha needs the sandstorm gone, cuz she destroyed them in it

[proud axle]

More against Lorelei (regen)
Fewer on round 2 (status amp)
More against Bruno (need to reinflict after Full Heal
More against Bertha or Serena (they have Lessen Poison 9, which ks standard-- the other three only have Lessen 8)
Grimsley and Bruno's Dire Hit make it... not longer but more dangerous

[cosmic willow]

Well this is the first time I ever did over 99k with a support

[north crown]

yeah, Dawn's nuke is surprisingly good despite her role

[proud axle]

Striker Dawn

[smoky juniper]

So would round 1 Bruno with Emma and Janine work?

Assuming I use Melony as the tank?

[proud axle]

Best to ask someone else

[junior crown]

keep janine if you need to use her somewhere else

if you're doing 3 or less poison stall

[smoky juniper]

She is my only venom drencher yeah

[junior crown]

better to use trap + poison in the ones you're doing it

it's because Bruno is full physical

[proud axle]

Are you sure you want to use a rock-weak tank against an Onix?

[junior crown]

so anyone that lower attack work on him

[smoky juniper]

Oh damn didn't even see that

[void wyvern]

Melony has no heals and no defence buffs. She’s not ideal as a poison stall tank.

[junior crown]

Well, I used Skyla and it worked

[smoky juniper]

Trap for the added hp loss or does it do something else?

[junior crown]

but yeah, for your tank you want def up and heals

trap added hp loss

Poison + Trap you can use BP Erika / Lucy / Combination of Viola + Any Poisoner (but viola for special stages only)

I'd say keep janine for SC Serena

you want to drop her speed

as well as the attack/spattack

[smoky juniper]

Ok I'll use Lucy for Bruno, save Emma and Janine for someone else

[proud axle]

I'd Galar-Trio Serena

[smoky juniper]

Viola for special stages?

[proud axle]

Viola is a very anti-Special tank

[smoky juniper]

Yeah that's what it'll come to I guess

[proud axle]

Struggle Bug, Regen and SpDef selfbuff, and can use Infestation for traps

[void wyvern]

Emma is more of a dps than a staller anyways. Better to use her if you intend to hit hard.

[smoky juniper]

Most of the stages are physical tho

[proud axle]

I'm not the one who suggested her

[junior crown]

for Lorelei it works

if you're doing it on her

[smoky juniper]

True, but she's one of the 4 I have for badly poison

[proud axle]

Grass Lorelei is pretty evenly mixed

[void wyvern]

You don’t need to stall all 4 of them.

[tired sleet]

You won’t need 4 stall teams most of the time

[proud axle]

Does Emma have HE?

[void wyvern]

No.

Toxic chance 2 at 2/5

Yeah it’s dumb

[smoky juniper]

What's that?

[void wyvern]

Hostile environment

[cinder summit]

Hostile Environment 5

Raises the chance of inflicting status conditions with the additional effects of moves.

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[junior crown]

She has the lowest physical on all of them, that's what I meant, her physical is aqua tail and the side rock slide (compared to all the others she is the best choice if you want to use Viola)

[proud axle]

Viola is literally weak against Rockslide

[junior crown]

but as I said only if you're using 3+ poison stalls

[void wyvern]

Which is kinda over the top imo

[proud axle]

Ontype Bertha
Galar-smash Serena
So that leaves three

[junior crown]

sycamore DPS if they want

[tired sleet]

There are accessible units like gardenia and silver that are reasonable powerful

[proud axle]

Their Bertha team already involves Silver (and SSErika)

[void wyvern]

Round 3 is boost special damage, that would be good to throw a dps over a staller.

[proud axle]

Sycamore can do some work, though. Add Hop and one other Grass

[junior crown]

R3 bertha with silver looks good

[tired sleet]

You kinda want to replace bertha’s sand asap rather than after 1st sync

[proud axle]

SSErika

[tired sleet]

If you bring another sun setter its fine tho

[junior crown]

Sycamore best on R4 then can do poison on R1 and R2 (R2 poison stall do more damage)

[tired sleet]

SS Erika + Silver seems very overkill

[proud axle]

I would rather toxic stall R4 in particular

Because toxic stall barely cares about the enemy's hastened sync

Sycamore won't give a single fuck about half sync if he's Horn Leeching

What's he gonna do, buff his... SpAtk?

[proud axle]

It's Sinnoh league, they have it coming

[junior crown]

ok, so since it's 2 poison stall, do on R2 and R4 then

[tired sleet]

It’s also a pentuple grass weak pasio cs

[proud axle]

And we already solved 3 of the other 4 without actually using grass

It's okay to go a little wild on the remaining two

They can have a little overkill, as a treat

I am a little surprised that they've gone 3-4 months without a single Brendan or Selene or Mallow though

Though if they got both Lati@s pairs when they said they have "most" pairs since Jan, a Mewtwo comp might be possible

[tired sleet]

There are a bajillion units in the alola pool; its very hard to get someone specific

[proud axle]

...Bruh, how would they even pull on the Alola pool without an Alolan Villain Arc. I meant genpool with the 100 free half-anni pulls and myriad additional pulls on master fairs

[smoky juniper]

I think I have them, but ungridded

[proud axle]

Selene works fine gridless tbh

She or Mallow can be the third on the Sycamore/Hop team

[smoky juniper]

I do, using that for round 1 Lorelei

[proud axle]

Lorelei's least-dangerous to stall, though...

[smoky juniper]

Oh

Ok so how about this

[proud axle]

She's the only one in the E4 without a TM that gives her crit

[smoky juniper]

Round 1 Bertha - Sycamore, SS Erika, Silver
Round 2 Grimsley - Toxic Stall SS Leaf, Classic Red, Champion Iris
Round 3 Bruno - Giovanni Mewtwo, Double Lati
Round 4 Lorelei - Toxic Stall Emma, Janine, Sonia
Champion Serena - Galar Trio

Would this work?

[proud axle]

I would not put Sycamore on that team

Hm... But it might work

It's just a little weird

[smoky juniper]

I was just thinking of highest sustain possible apart from SS Erika and Silver, and Xerneas is all I could think of

[proud axle]

Redlax using his regen and Replenish for an extra potion? Good thinking on that one

I don't think I'd ever even considered him for a stall tank

[smoky juniper]

Yeah, plus he could actually use the SE buff with SS Leaf there

[proud axle]

Ehhhh you're not doing actual damage in a stall comp

[smoky juniper]

Yeah just in case I need the option

Oh and could someone explain how the Strength parameter works? How is it different from the Atk Defence parameters?

[smoky juniper]

It's either Redlax or Anabel or SC Mallow for constant healing?

[proud axle]

You could probably get away with anyone who has vigilance and def/spdef buffs

[junior crown]

you need a def buffer for grimsley, better to use SS Leaf, Skyla (for example) and a attack debuffer (ghetsis/mina for example, but yeah C iris works)

[proud axle]

Since SSLeaf can potion them

[mellow linden]

Strength parameter ups the opponents levels by 10 x the number on the parameter, which acts as a flat numbers increase as opposed to a % numbers increase like the Attack/Sp. Atk. and Defense/Sp. Def. parameters

[smoky juniper]

So strength parameters scale more than the atk or def ones?

[junior crown]

On Lorelei I believe Lucy to be better than Emma (she can raise her sp def and have gradual healing and can trap)

[proud axle]

Less.

A lot less.

[smoky juniper]

Ok will try to build Lucy

[proud axle]

I once compared the results of +12 Strength (i.e. literally every single Strength option at once), against the equivalent number of individual stat modifiers

[tired sleet]

Yeah, strength params are extremely small compared to HP or Def params

[proud axle]

1200pts of Strength is worth about 650 points of stat multipliers

[junior crown]

what do you mean by building Lucy?

[smoky juniper]

Like level and grid

[junior crown]

Don't need to grid her, just level her up if she is not lv 120+

[proud axle]

For toxic stall, we don't have to care about HP or Def since Toxic is maxHP% damage

(If Lucy is 3/5, you could grid her for Hostile Environment to make it way less annoying)

[smoky juniper]

Oh ok, she's at 130, will just get her to 140

[junior crown]

of course grid helps

but if it's not really needed

you can save resources

but if you have enough resources and want to do that you can get hostile environment, trap accuracy, pokey trap, MPR and MGR (don't need to full grid too, take if you want)

[smoky juniper]

Alright imma reset and try. What grid would you all recommend for silver or ss erika, against Bertha?

[tired sleet]

Wait move level is erika?

[junior crown]

you don't need to attack on poison stall too, unless you need to sync (with synchro heallings/recuperation pairs)

[smoky juniper]

5

[tired sleet]

Probably just take the sync nuke build for erika and the solar beam build for silver (check #bot-zone, i used some commands)

Wait, is your silver power boosted/exed?

[smoky juniper]

Ugh no, I only have Sycamore, Giovanni and Zinna EXed and Boosted of all the Legendary Adventure pairs

[tired sleet]

Ah, so you’d want to bring a support with spatk buffs
Or just scrap the silver plan and focus fully on ss erika

[smoky juniper]

So I'd take Sycamore and SS Erika, who should be the third?

A debuffer?

[tired sleet]

Sycamore seems kinda unnecessary, since erika and bertha use physical attacks

Try bringing a physical defence tank and an extra sun setter (that’s what i did)

[proud axle]

Sycamore and Silver don't usually play well together, since both demand the sync
But SSErika can provide the first and second sun, removing that conflict

Sycamore is a sturdier SpAtk&Speed buffer than, say, Roxanne or Cheryl

If we're not using another on-type team, Sycamore is fine here

If we are using another on-type team, then yeah, you'll want him on that team

[toxic cobalt]

One man team

[smoky juniper]

Ok SS Erika isn't working without another sun setter, and my only other option is Gordie who gets killed in one hit

[tired sleet]

Did you already use Blaine?

[smoky juniper]

Is there any way to offtype Bertha Round 1 or 3?

[smoky juniper]

No but can he be used ungridded? I'm low on sync orbs

[tired sleet]

Yeah he doesn’t need a grid, he’s just there to set sun

[smoky juniper]

Ok so SS Erika, Sycamore and Blaine?

But then I don't have a debuffer

[proud axle]

Before we continue
What is the move order you were using

Sycamore wants first sync, and then Silver gets all the rest

[smoky juniper]

I'm not using Silver since he's not EX or Boosted

[proud axle]

...that doesn't matter tbh

Solar Beam is strong af without them

His EX is worthless here and his powerboost is meaningless with Sycamore present

His base kit can shine perfectly well, and I mean that in the most literal way possible

Silver is the additional sun setter that Erika needs

But unlike Blaine or Gordie, he can also do damage

[smoky juniper]

Ok I'll try that

[proud axle]

Turn 1: Dazzling Gleam, Erika TM, Silver TM
Turn 2: Sycamore TM, Sunny Day, Silver TM (in that order)
Turn 3: Erika TM, Dazzling Gleam or Horn Leech, Solar Beam
Sycamore Sync.
Turn 4: Solar Blade, Solar Beam, (Quadqueue) Horn Leech.
Turn 5: Horn Leech, Sunny Day, Solar Beam.
Turn 6+: spam Horn Leech, Solar Blade, and Solar Beam. Give Silver every sync just for more sun.

SSErika never syncs. Sync nuke build is actually wasted here; you can regrid for full Solar Blade focus instead

[smoky juniper]

Alright I'll try that, thank you

[proud axle]

Silver shouldn't grid for syncing either; it's the wrong type so it deals no damage. You can regrid just to put more orbs into Solar Beam... Or leave him gridless

[smoky juniper]

Which Erika TM do you mean here? Soak Up The Sun, wouldn't that be better after Sunny Day?

[proud axle]

One before and one after.

Did you count the buffs she gets?

With one before and one after, she's maxed anyway-- but the sun ends later

[smoky juniper]

Ah ok

[proud axle]

The same goes for Silver's crit

One before sun and one after sun, maxes him

If you let Erika keep Super Infliction 9 on her grid, she might be able to OHKO the left side with her first Solar Blade after sync. This can score you a denial.

Then she refreshes Sunny Day to regain Super Effective Up Next and can wallop either the boss or the right side

[smoky juniper]

So Silver dies in the first sync

I'm using the on type post sync parameters, opting for No Status Conditions and Interference Immunity both instead of Strike Pairs take 3x damage, but he still dies to Bertha sync every time

I'll try it in Round 3

[proud axle]

I'm a little surprised Bertha isn't dead by first sync

Oh, you're using postsync params

I think this team can presync

[smoky juniper]

Should I try presync

[proud axle]

But Round 3 would still make more sense

[proud axle]

Is that a 2500 clear?

[bright furnace]

it is

[proud axle]

That must've taken some doing. I threw Archie and May at it and it was still dicey

[zealous karma]

Aurochs is pretty good and I assume that’s without Pb as well but idt it’ll be to tough, I’ve used Cyrus Winona Rosa as my consistent F2P off type team

[toxic cobalt]

I found it pretty simple, just had to use water pulse a couple of times to ensure I queued.

[zealous karma]

Cyrus is great

[bright furnace]

Don’t remember the last time you did F2P

[shut prawn]

This is my first time doing a mastermode and I regret not pushing for the 2500 on the first battle since I easily could have

Now I just have to figure out how to beat the rest after using champ marnie, champ bede, and zinnias theivul

[civic trellis]

If u have a limited amount of good pairs maybe spread them around, like I dont think u need thievul and moltres on the same team

[shut prawn]

I just had theivul to swipe all the stat raises

My marnies at a 2/5, and my only real ex excluding the given ones

[dim depot]

So this special champion stadium is hard. I'm on Serena and I'm out of good grass units. I can't figure out something that works. Here are my remaining grass types.

I also need to get 2300 points

[dark osprey]

You've still got Victor, SS Erika and Gloria thwack

Do you have silver as well?

SS Erika and silver together is a great option

A good special support

Is what may be needed

[dim depot]

Yes, I got Silver/Ho-Oh. SS Erika looks like the way, just trying to find out what's missing. Really thought I could rush it with the new Steven.

[old orchid]

Can you show us your support roster?

[dim depot]

So I still have plenty of support. Seems anything is destroyed by Water Shuriken though.

Well, the game closed itself so I'll need to pick the round parameters again anyway. Maybe the ones I picked were too aggressive as well.

[dark osprey]

Oh you've got SC Steven. Then you could probably avoid silver

Just get any special defense support with SS Erika and you're good

Can use Elio or even sycamore. Also Lana with the water guard. Misties etc.

[junior crown]

if SSA Cynthia is available use her

[dim depot]

Okay, I can try some of those supports

[marble orbit]

Any suggestions for normal stadium Lance? Heres what i got

[late grove]

Cyrus Skyla and someone that can buff special attack

[keen jasper]

Who are your supporters?

[marble orbit]

Which skyla :o

[late grove]

og

[keen jasper]

You still have Roxanne?

[marble orbit]

3* ver yes..

[keen jasper]

Have you done Lance yet or not?

[toxic cobalt]

Roxanne Cyrus sleepbot, is good team

[dim depot]

Elio was the way. But man that was still insanely difficult. No messing around at all.
Thanks for the help!

[dark osprey]

Elio OP. The sides do have slightly high bulk which cause an issue and also that endure from Serena

[dim depot]

Yeah, so many times, the sides would be left with a little bit of HP. Throws everything off because SS Erika is such a limited attacker.

I was tempted to emergency EX her. She'll be next so this doesn't happen again.

[keen jasper]

Don't want to evolve Popplio?

[marble orbit]

Not yet

[dim depot]

How much of a difference could that have made? I've wanted to keep it unevolved for the 1-bar move.

[keen jasper]

You'll get 60 free gems, Water Gun will become Sparkling Aria when you evolve it to Primarina and at 3/5, Elio gets 3 debuff grid nodes and Sparkling Aria has a 50/50 chance to debuff all 3 of those stats to all enemies

[hidden ore]

Had to EX Sycamore for Serena
Worth it
And thank you so much for help with his grid
Also Skyla became generous with flinches

I think he needs to be EX’ed for this stage

[marsh crater]

I emergency ex lots of pair this time around. Had to ex ss erika, brendan, and lucas

[tribal agate]

GG, glad to see he worked out!

[smoky juniper]

Took too long

[swift swan]

[smoky juniper]

I panicked and raised Janine to 5*, before just exchanging monthly coins for sync orbs to regrid SS Leaf

But apart from that, every stage was kinda down to the wire

Definitely more fun than 10k

[junior crown]

If you have SwinMisty or BP Morty they are better tankers for stall in case you want to improve it (just saw that BP Clemont seems great too, he doesn't have potions, but have synchro healing and sync regen...)

synchro healings is good on poison stall teams

but GG for 12.5k

[marble orbit]

I DID IT

Now just left with Blue...

[keen jasper]

That part is easy, just stall

[drifting sleet]

2.5k bruno, thoughts on lineup?

Monotype not necessary

[keen jasper]

Which Bruno?

[drifting sleet]

Kanto bruno

Not special cs

Ingo can't seem to tank the arcanine's overheat

[junior crown]

This should work fine

you can change parameters

or change SC Lyra for a def+spdef buffer too

does bruno have aoe rock attacks from the beginning?

you want SC Lyra to be hited at least once for the type resistant, right? (I don't have her to test)

maybe you need her to tank or use her tm after being hited

[drifting sleet]

Idk im using her for rebuff lol

[junior crown]

uhm

I think ground zone might add more than rebuff in terms of damage, but that team should not need more damage than Ingo + Cynthia

[keen jasper]

Rebuff -1 is only 30% damage increase, zone is 50% damage increase

[drifting sleet]

Ah

[junior crown]

SC Lyre brings other things to the team, but damage wise courtney would be better

but as I said your problem is surviving right?

so maybe changing her for a more defensive pair would work better

[drifting sleet]

I sheee

Thanks

[junior crown]

or go post-sync parameters for example (if they survive the sync)

[marble orbit]

I WON MY FIRST CS

[junior crown]

uhm you want to unlock MM

you did 9/18 this week

[keen jasper]

12.5k?

Oh NVM

[junior crown]

next week focus on the other 9 types

[marble orbit]

Ye but its a great start that finally i can clear a cs!!!

I feel more confident now lmao

[toxic cobalt]

That's great news!

[marsh crater]

Congratulations

[marsh crater]

Keep it up

[tribal agate]

Congratulations!!

[smoky juniper]

Thanks mate. Didn't need anything for Grimsley cuz Leaf with Noxious Hit and Aaron themselves were more than enough, but definitely came down to the wire for Lorelei when my Potion MP luck ran out, so I'll check out the BP pairs

Also, thanks @proud axle couldn't have done it without your help mate, especially Bertha

[noble plaza]

Who should I EX for the Champion Stadium (i will be attempting both the normal one and the grass one)

[mellow linden]

How many Support EXs do you have already?

And how new are you to CS?

[noble plaza]

Besides the Victory Road one, this is my first time actually trying to complete the whole thing and hopefully unlock master mode

Sonia is my only EX'd support it seems

[mellow linden]

Then IMO stick with the general advice of EXing 5-6 Supports you use regularly before moving on to Strike/Tech pairs. It doesn’t matter that much who since you’re probably still doing Hard Mode on regular CS and either Hard Mode or Master Mode with 850 points per stage on Grass weak CS due to how new you are to the mode

[noble plaza]

Yeah im still on hard mode

[mellow linden]

On regular CS, if you don’t have any type medal progress then try to use 9-12 different types across your 5 teams. That way you’ll have an easier time unlocking Master Mode next week

[noble plaza]

I would EX Sycamore but thats event only

I actually have only 7 types left to fill

[mellow linden]

Oh, perfect, then you should be able to do that easily and unlock MM

[noble plaza]

Sick!!!

I'm very tempted to EX Ingo but I'm a bit worried I'll regret it

Oh I could also EX SS Blue

[devout sluice]

Which Ingo, bug or ground?

[noble plaza]

Ground

I have heard he was a very good support but I haven't used him as much as I'd like after completing story mode

[mellow linden]

Ingo is a very handy Support even outside of Sand teams, so if he’s a favorite of yours then there’s zero reason to regret

[devout sluice]

Ya.

[noble plaza]

Sweet!!!

Who should I fight first? I haven't done any battles this week because college sucks

[mellow linden]

Only major thing to watch out for in regular CS is that Lance and Bruno get a boost from the round 2 parameter (also Lorelei, kinda, but hers isn’t guaranteed to ever be utilized since she only has 1 physical move). Otherwise it doesn’t really matter this week.

For Grass weak CS, plan your round 4 well in advance since that’ll be the hardest round due to half-Sync parameter

[noble plaza]

Alright!

Do you have any idea on who I should use for my Normal pair?

[rotund lagoon]

You got Leaf, right?

Or if you have a team where your third slot ends up being flexible, Gladion.

[noble plaza]

Leaf with Eevee? Yes

[rotund lagoon]

I missed her in your roster, oops…
My top three choices are Leaf, Classic Gio or Gladion.

[junior crown]

Cheryl can work too for special teams

[tame gust]

Just make sure Cheryl is not tanking a physical opponent.

[proud axle]

This week's Kanto League has phys attacks in every fight, unfortunately

[tame gust]

Well, so long as Cher isn’t the MT it should be fine.

[golden raft]

team recs for r4 lorelei? (grass weak special cs, aiming for 2.5k)
i’ve been trying the team in the first picture but they die a bit too quickly

[crystal notch]

Is anyone buffing defense in that team, I wonder?

Not too familiar with Nyisia's kit

Yeaaah probably not

Get a support that buffs defenses

Or alternatively its your param that is the issue

[swift swan]

Isn't that team a bit too gauge heavy?

I understand May can be used for defense debuffs and sync accel... But at that point I'd rather use her as the main damage dealer and slap a sun setter

Also you should probably bring a defensive support/healer since you'll be postsyncing (well, I hope you were using the postsync params)

[junior crown]

From the pictures you have Silver that works, don't know if 2/5 Dawn and Gladion are enough, but they could work too, can offtype with Cyrus and probably with SS Red, could work with Gardenia or can do poison stall as well

Do you have a plan for SC Serena?? How build are those pairs? Do you have sync orbs/lucky cookies to build more??

[versed meteor]

Why tf are some units so much of glass defensively, i still don't get not beign able to survive one sync

[void wyvern]

Balance ✨

But aside from a few strikers, there aren’t too many units that are so frail that they can’t take one sync.

[swift swan]

Which is why we ✨ presync ✨

[void wyvern]

Pre syncer’s trying not to gag when they have to select hp or strength instead of power on hit to post sync

[mellow linden]

You guys don’t pick post-Sync parameters and pre-Sync anyways?

[swift swan]

I'm too stubborn that I try to presync half sync countdown stages

(So far it's been going decently well for Fighting, Grass, and Psychic stages)

Also, I've been taking more HP instead of strength for my presyncs recently, since I want to test out my nukers

[noble plaza]

Should I fight Lance or Bruno for round 3?

[main crow]

Depends which of your planned team for them can last longer

Or rather, if the first target can survive long enough

Either one is fine, and R4 parameters is not necessarily dangerous too

[noble plaza]

Alrighty!

I was thinking this team might be useful vs Lance but is it a bad idea to already use Hop?

[grim bison]

How far in are you

[main crow]

Is your Zinnia using outrage build?

Wait no

Uh what's her physical move again?

Aerial ace to Dragon ascent?

[noble plaza]

Aerial Ace

[grim bison]

Do you have her power boost?

[main crow]

Oh wait she does have outrage

[noble plaza]

The Mega Evolution? College got in the way and I couldn't get that in time

[noble plaza]

Round 3

[main crow]

Oof that means no mega

[noble plaza]

Yeahhh

Oh Ghetsis is also an option if I want to knock Ice out

But it seems he doesn't count towards Dragon

[main crow]

So are you using draco meteor for the dps?

[noble plaza]

I think so unless it'd be better to use something else

[main crow]

First you may lack speed there

Since zinnia would be the only getting speed buffs and even then it's only 2 or 3 (MPR)

As well as the debuffs

Personally Cyrus is just so much better to use

[noble plaza]

Here are my dragon sync pairs if you wanna see them

[main crow]

Yeah even with no ex Cyrus works

[noble plaza]

Yep i was just thinking about Cyrus haha

[main crow]

He's just that good for a freebie lol

[noble plaza]

Niiiice

Guess Winona isn't needed either then

[main crow]

Cyrus doesn't gain anything from rain

Well dragon cyrus

But yeah all you need is ally speed and some defense buff really

Cyrus can max out his spatk and speed by himself

Crit can be a bit of a gamble without the boost but it's still possible